Mr. David Corn (and all others)

Posting to the last thread is working with an error.

Does it work on the new thread?

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Whoop's

It should read WITHOUT and error.

Well not a process error - my postings are nearly NEVER error free!

HA!

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Majority of Republican presidents supported terrorist. Why are there still republicans around?

Bush Jr: Did Business with terrorists. Especially the Bin laden Family. He also supports Israel which is a terrorist country that targets and murders innocent people especially children

Bush Sr Supported Terrorist. Did business with the Bin laden Family and Unical which is a business that used terrorist money. He also Armed Saddam hussein in the late 80'e and early 90's

Reagan: Armed and Equipped Saddam Hussein with Chemical and biological weapons that caused the death of 5000 kurds and of course over a million people died died during the iran iraq war.

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I hope the aviator group ("dear terrorist" was written by a Hornet GROUP not an individual) takes that attitude to the terrorists AND all that support terrorists as in every knuckle-head that voted for Bush and therefore supported their terrorist buddies.

Shame on any terrorist loving jerk that has the gall to vote for a republican and by extension supports terrorists and their GOPher business partners.

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jonny

jonny

"why are there still republicans around?"

Mostly because no other legitimate, organized political party has expressed any alternatives to the current "stay the course" strategy.

If the plan is to lead the U.S. in another direction, then another direction needs to be laid out FIRST.

When Kerry ran for president, he assured us that he had a plan to get the U.S. out of Iraq in six months.

Either he lied, or he has decided that American soldiers' lives are less important than being able to "Bush-bash". Either way, Democrat's motives are suspect.

Hell of a Times

Since its founding in 1982 by eccentric cult leader and self-proclaimed Messiah Sun Myung Moon, the Times has been a favorite outlet for the right. President Ronald Reagan granted Times reporters special access to the White House, and he publicly called it his favorite paper--pointedly not the Washington Post. During the Clinton era, the Times helped push media coverage of Ken Starr's ultimately fruitless Whitewater land-deal investigation. It has long served as a nest for fledgling conservative talent like its former editorial page editor Tony Snow, now White House press secretary and a key link between the paper and the Bush Administration. National Review's O'Sullivan told The Nation, "The Times is an extremely important paper for conservatives because it's in Washington and it has great influence with the Administration."

In January 2005 Bush hosted Coombs, Pruden and a handful of Times principals for an exclusive interview and tour of the Oval Office. Two months later Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was queried about her presidential ambitions by Pruden, Coombs and several Times reporters at the paper's offices. (Among Rice's revelations was that "shopping is fun.")

But even as it has enjoyed cozy relations with Washington politicos, from its earliest days the Times has been a hothouse for hard-line racialists and neo-Confederates. Pruden, who started at the paper in 1982, was their wizard. His father, the Rev. Wesley Pruden Sr., was a Baptist minister who served as chaplain to the Capital Citizens Council in Little Rock, Arkansas, the leading segregationist group in town. When President Dwight Eisenhower sent Army troops to protect nine black teenagers integrating Little Rock's Central High School in 1957, Pruden Sr. reportedly told an assembled mob, "That's what we've got to fight! Niggers, Communists and cops!"

In 1993 Pruden gave an interview to the now-defunct neo-Confederate magazine Southern Partisan, which routinely published proslavery apologias and attacks on Abraham Lincoln. Pruden boasted, "Every year I make sure that we have a story in the paper about any observance of Robert E. Lee's birthday.... And the fact that it falls around Martin Luther King's birthday."

"Makes it all the better," interjected a Partisan editor.

"I make sure we have a story. Oh, yes," said Pruden.

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Bush, papa Bush and their cronies are a bunch of Moonie nutbags. Anybody so stupid as to vote against their own best interests in the name of GOPher partisan politics deserves what they get, eh?

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Video blog: Moon's tour with Bush, Pat Boone and

Got a treat for you this week.

What if politicians, right-wing Christian leaders and President George H.W. Bush all convened at a shadowy event where Gerald Ford was the greeter and Pat Boone the emcee...their wholesome American conservative goodness obscuring the true aims of the organizers...leaders of an international society whose idea of "family values" revolves around, quote, "an automatic theocracy to rule the world [sic]"...their true aims revealed in unsettling promotional videos whose soothing narrator, prattling placidly about "world governance," sounds as if he's from the world of George Lucas's THX-1138...

No. No way. Even I don't believe it, not even after spending years researching the world of Sun Myung Moon. It's like something from a ludicrous John Carpenter movie about Republicans.

And yet it's been in plain view for years. Here's some rough video I cobbled together today, which you can view by clicking here or in a Google Video window after the jump.

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Kkkristo-fascists not "Christian" anything, eh?

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Carey from the previous thread. I have one and only one criteria for the candidates I will vote for, and that is they be 100% against this war on the Muslim people and they are 100% pro-peace, nothing else matters to me right now. I don't care what stupid label they sport, I just want this horrid, murderous war to end and anyone who is willing to stand up for that single principle has my support. Thousands of innocent lives are at stake, we cannot afford to quibble about relatively minor issues when so much blood is being spilled in our name. It is past time to remove these traitorous murderers from our midst and take our country back.

Here in the first district NM we are busy trying to give Heather Wilson the boot.

We do not get any national coverage, not even a mention from the DNC nor any other "national" Democratic group.

Patricia Madrid AG NM has Heather on the ropes. We almost booted her twice now. Third time is a charm assuming that GOP + Diebold + ES&S = power.

We will vote, we always do. If the GOP want to steal the election I say we make damn sure they know from where and whom they are stealing democracy.

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Muslims continue to slaughter Muslims in the name of their god.

the christian right is neither!

"Back in the summer of 2001, I wanted to move some money into defense-related and home security stocks, but your brokers talked me out of it. Is that because you and your friends were buying those stocks and wanted to keep the price down?"

"Exactly. We felt that with the 9/11 terror attacks coming up later in the summer, that sector of the market would probably triple in value... and once again, we were right."

Christians continue to slaughter everyone in the name of their god. It's a tradition.

Speaking of tradition - I see the Muslim on Muslim violence escalating again. That can mean only one thing - Happy Ramadan!

Yea, kind of like Christians celebrating Christmas, right?

As long as Muslims hide behind their religion as the impetus for murder, there is no dialog to be had.

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?"
~ Mahatma Gandhi, "Non-Violence in Peace and War"

"How exactly does one convince the teeming masses that Republicans deserve to stay in power despite botching a war, doubling the national debt, keeping company with Jack Abramoff, fumbling the response to Hurricane Katrina, expanding the government at record rates, raising cronyism to an art form, playing poker with Duke Cunningham, isolating America and repeatedly electing Tom DeLay as their House majority leader? ...Easy. Blame George W. Bush."

~ Commentator and former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough, on how Republicans should pretend not to be rubber stamps

“Outraged by the perceived slight, angry Muslims have called for the Pope's execution, burned him in effigy, bombed Christian churches, and—the evidence suggests—shot a Catholic nun in Somalia (whose dying words were "I forgive, I forgive"). Such a response undermines the characterization of Islam as a "religion of peace" and reinforces the notion that it is a religion that spreads at the point of a sword or the barrel of a gun.”

"If I get hold of the pope, I will hang him," Hafiz Hussain Ahmed, a senior MMA leader, told protesters in Islamabad, who carried placards reading "Terrorist, extremist Pope be hanged!" and "Down with Muslims' enemies!"

At Islam's third-holiest shrine, the Al Aqsa Mosque compound in Jerusalem, hundreds of worshippers hoisted black flags and banners that read, "Conquering Rome is the answer." Protesters chanted, "The army of Islam will return."

Chris Wallace Has Never Asked A Bush Administration Official About The USS Cole

The USS Cole was bombed on October 12, 2000. As Clinton noted in his interview with Fox, "The CIA and the FBI refused to certify that Bin Laden was responsible" until early 2001 which foreclosed the possibility of a full response during his administration.

The Bush administration, on the other hand, had 8 months prior to 9/11/01 to respond to the USS bombing and did nothing.

In an interview to air Sunday, Fox News Host Chris Wallace asked Bill Clinton why he didn't respond to the USS Cole. Clinton said it was a "legitimate question" but challenged Wallace: "I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked why didn't you do anything about the Cole." First, Wallace responded, "we asked." When pressed further by Clinton, Wallace demurred: "I with Iraq and Afghanistan there's plenty of stuff to ask."

Neither Chris Wallace, nor his predecessor, Tony Snow ever asked anyone in the Bush administration why they failed to respond to the bombing of the USS Cole, according to a Lexis-Nexis database search. Wallace and Snow have had plenty of opportunities:

Vice President Dick Cheney has been on Fox News Sunday 6 times.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has been on Fox News Sunday 9 times.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has been on Fox News Sunday 23 times.

National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley has been on Fox News Sunday 4 times.

For the record, this was Bill Clinton's first solo appearance on Fox News Sunday.

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I bet Bill did his homework before doing the interview. Smart people do that. Knowledge is power.

Clinton is also completely frank about the mistakes he made (we all make mistakes). Something no megalomaniac dry-drunk is man enough to admit.

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Chris Wallace Never Asked A Bush Administration Official Why They Demoted Richard Clarke

During his interview on Fox News, Bill Clinton asked Chris Wallace how many times Wallace asked a Bush administration official, "Why did you fire Dick Clarke?" By all accounts, Clarke was one of the people most concerned about al-Qaeda in any administration. Shortly after taking office, the Bush administration demoted Clarke, eliminated his staff and removed him from the Principals meeting.

Since 2001, Wallace has interview the top national security officials from the Bush administration Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Hadley 42 times. According to a Lexis-Nexis database search, he never asked any of them why Clarke was demoted.

The one time he brought up Clarke's name with a Bush administration official during a March 28, 2004 interview with Rumsfeld he repeatedly attempted to smear Clarke as political motivated and untrustworthy. Some excerpts:

WALLACE: I think a lot of people in Washington are trying to figure out, to understand Richard Clarke, to make sense of what he has said and of apparent contradictions in his story is he telling the truth, or is he pushing an agenda.

WALLACE: Let's switch, if we can, to a different aspect of this. There is a move now by congressional Republican leaders to declassify Clarke's testimony before one of their panels in 2002 to see whether or not it contradicts what he is telling the commission and what he writes in his book now. As I understand it, the Pentagon has to approve any such declassification. Do you think it's a good idea?

WALLACE: Do you worry at all that, whether it's the debate over Dick Clarke's credibility, his charges, whether it's the fact that we're in the political season, that the important work you say the commission could do is going to get caught up in partisanship?

After Clinton brought up the issue, Wallace claimed "we asked" and shot back "Do you ever watch Fox News Sunday, Sir?"

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No reason to lie or misrepresent the facts. FOX News is completely faith-based reporting. I think the ditto heads that watch FOX will be confused by the truth. Most actually believe the ABC fake-umentary BS.

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On David Horowitz: Is an Ex-Stalinist More Credible than an Ex-Nazi?

I just came across this terrific piece about the ABC-Disney 9/11 travesty by the fine young writer Max Blumenthal (Sidney Blumenthal's kid). Max reveals the role of David Horowitz, former fan of the Soviet Union in the whole revolting affair.

The sad fact is that David Horowitz is pretty inescapable these days, especially now that he's in the business of libeling liberal professors and trying to drive them out of academe. Check this out.

Anyway, the question arises.

How come former Stalinists can spout their crap without people dismissing anything they say as coming from a former admirer of a mass murder while Hitler's former admirers have no credibility whatsoever on anything.

What's the difference? Are there still people out there who sentimentalize Stalin? Is that possible? Or is the difference that the people we would expect to scream and yell about the likes of David Horowitz are all on his side.

That must be why the lionize a guy who has written that during the Vietnam war, "I was one who crossed the line between dissent and actual treason....I did so for what I thought were the noblest of reasons, to advance the cause of social justice and peace. [That was the reason for] our support for the communist enemy."

Of course, ex-Stalinists tend to wind up on the right. That has been the case ever since the days of Whitaker Chambers if not before.

Question. Am I missing something? Is there not something truly reprehensible about Stalinism that should relegate all its former adherents to the political sidelines. Or is Hitlerism, by definition, very different than Stalinism?

Just asking.

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It is no secret the neocons are rooted in neo-liberal and Trotskyite/communist mindset. America used to despise the Soviet's for their gulags, kangaroo courts, show trials, lack of respect for privacy and personal property. Now Bush and his neocons embrace exactly those things?

Torture is NOT an American Value, stealing elections is NOT the basis of a democracy, and the concept of "unitary" presidency is just a dictatorship empowered by an illegal war, crimes and criminal enterprise wrapped in a flag standing on a bible worshipping Rev.[sic] Moon.

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the Republicans are becoming what they railed against for decades: totalitarians. Unsurprisingly I suppose, it turns out that what they really hated about Soviet communism was the economics. The 50 years of ranting about personal liberty and anti-authoritarian government seems to have been mere political rhetoric. Now that they are in power themselves they have adopted certain Soviet values quite seamlessly.

Torture Is A Disease

We've Sunk to Bin Laden's Level

High moral ground

Thus we are treated to the spectacle of a president declaring that if Congress did not pass the law he wanted, allowing the torture of prisoners, then we would cease interrogating prisoners in the war on terrorism.

We once stood for something good in this world. We once took the high moral ground in our struggle with the evil that exists. We once upheld the Geneva Conventions not only because we expected our enemies to apply them in their treatment of American prisoners but because they were the law, and they were right.

Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda boys hiding in their caves in Waziristan are surely laughing over all of this. They have succeeded in dragging us down to their level of barbarity and inhumanity.

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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
~ Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

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Corn, the next time you debate Byron York, get him to agree IN ADVANCE to take turns talking.

I had an impatient boss from Queens once. He wouldn't let anyone finish a sentence or a statement.

York thinks he doesn't have anyting to learn from you. He thinks he knows it all. Where do guys like him get their information?

From Powerline, 9/23/06"

"Bill Clinton is desperate to be remembered by history for something other than the Lewinsky affair, perjury, and impeachment. And he will be. It's becoming clear that the Clinton legacy will also include eight years of inaction, broken by rare instances of ineffectual action, towards the mounting threat posed by Osama bin Laden and other Islamic terrorists that culminated in 9/11.

That this prospect horrifies Clinton is evident from the rough transcript of the former president's interview with Chris Wallace. Clinton has no defense for his feckless response to the mounting terrorist threat other than the honest and very limited defense that he just didn't imagine these guys could successfully attack us on large-scale at home. Clearly that defense won't do, so instead he lashes out at Wallace, Fox News, ABC, and the "right-wing." Somehow, I don't think history will be very impressed with this sort of flailing, or with all of the meaningless inside baseball Clinton tosses around (e.g., "the CIA was run by George Tenet who President Bush gave the medal of freedom to and said he did a good job").

Nor will the fact that President Bush was slow off the mark help Clinton. First, failures by one administration do not excuse failures by another (although they would help support the honest defense that Clinton is unwilling to make -- that it was difficult to comprehend the true extent of the threat). Second, Bush was in a position to create a post-9/11 legacy of fighting terrorism and he'll be remembered for that legacy. Clinton's effort to pull Bush down with him is a fool's errand.

The inescapable fact is that Bill Clinton, for all of his strengths, gave the country an unserious presidency, and it turned out (not surprisingly) that we needed more. Clinton savored the popularity that came with that presidency, but now he must live with its unfortunate and unflattering legacy."

Bush is a total screw-up

WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

FBI AND US SPY AGENTS SAY BUSH SPIKED BIN LADEN PROBES BEFORE 11 SEPTEMBER

Wednesday, November 7, 2001

FBI and military intelligence officials in Washington say they were prevented for political reasons from carrying out full investigations into members of the Bin Laden family in the US before the terrorist attacks of September 11

They said the restrictions became worse after the Bush administration took over this year. The intelligence agencies had been told to "back off" from investigations involving other members of the Bin Laden family, the Saudi royals, and possible Saudi links to the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Pakistan.

The Courage to Pray

Dear Cornposters:

I would like to start this letter by saying that it is not easy to pray. Praying does take courage.

Prayer is not something you once in a while like going to a movie or even something you do regularly like bathing. Prayer is a special way of looking at the world, a different view of reality, and a certain way of living. Prayer is a three-dimensional vision that sees through everyday appearances to get to their inner meaning. Prayer is a way of living that includes the imponderable mysteries of life, thereby giving ordinary things extraordinary significance.

All of us want to pray and maybe think we could if only we didn't feel like foreigners visiting a strange country without knowing the language. The first requirement is to convince ourselves that it is worth the effort to learn the language. Prayer, like language, is real only when it becomes part of us.

Prayer is a very personal communication with God. God speaks first; we learn to listen day by day. You must be attentive ready to hear, to follow. Personal prayer is very demanding: undivided attention, active faith, wholehearted consent.

When we seriously pray, we have to look at ourselves and we feel God's gaze condemn the large and small evil in us. Are we afraid to tell God who we are? Are we afraid to let anyone look too deeply inside us, even God? Do we lack the courage to face the searing contact of prayer? Do we sense that in prayer it is necessary to hand ourselves over, naked and unprotected?

It takes a while for us to really trust that God won't hurt us. It is only when we are completely honest and open with God that we can live what we believe. The Christian life is open-ended. There is no program, just infinite possibilities for good along the way and also for infinite opportunities to deceive ourselves at any time.

We have to be convinced that our happiness lies in being closely connected with God, from whom all good things come. Prayer is the guarantee.

Sincerely,

Gerald

www.factcheck.org

Q (March 13, 2002): Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? . .

bush:...You know, I just don't spend that much time on him....
....I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.

A Must Read Article

I believe that voter fraud should be a treasonable act and a life sentence of imprisonment.

how ironic is it that the most fascist of all islamos the saudis have purchased a good portion of FOX? i wonder, will FOX continue beating the islamofascism drum as loudly as they have been? it was ironic enough when bush said we will follow the 9/11 financial terror trail to wherever it leads and then as soon as it led to the saudis the investigation was forgotten about for some reason. does this mean that FOX are accessories after the fact for 9/11?
maybe hannity is the 21st highjacker!

Maybe the Saudis want better studio and production for the "Osama Been Eating" comedy series?

Magical underground world

Just-discovered cave in Sequoia National Park said to house astounding rock formations, clues to region's geologic history

Four amateur cave explorers in Sequoia National Park have discovered a vast cave formed 1 million years ago, a labyrinth that stretches more than 1,000 feet into a mountain and features some of the most beautiful rock formations ever seen.

Millions of crystals along its walls shimmer like diamonds. Translucent mineral "curtains" hang from the ceiling. Flowstones that resemble spilled paint dot the floor. A lake that might be 20 feet deep fills one of the cave's five known rooms, and passages leading into darkness suggest there is still much more to see.

The discovery has excited geologists and cave explorers nationwide because although caves are discovered with almost mundane regularity -- 17 of the 240 caves in Sequoia and Kings Canyon parks have been found since 2003 -- it is rare to find one so grand. The cave, named Ursa Minor, has been called one of the most significant finds in a generation.

"There are things in this cave that could really open windows into our knowledge of geologic history and the formation of caves throughout the West," said Joel Despain, the parks' cave manager. "We're just beginning to understand the scientific ramifications of this."

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How cool is that.

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From: The Left Coaster

Whetting your appetite for Iraq for Sale:

Pursuing the War Profiteers for Interviews (short video)

the bushbots have really embraced this new and improved bushco crusade haven't they? dubya dubya 3 is all the rage and the blood thirsty christians are far superior to the blood thirsty Muslims. Praise the lord and pass the bullets!

Al Qaeda's New TV Studio!

it looks more like the set of 'iron chef'

This is an excerpt from the Sibel Edmonds blogspot. A new documentary called Kill The messenger is coming out, this blog has some amazing info. concerning Sibel, Valerie Plame and her company Brewster Jennings which appears to have been outed well before Plame. All paths lead to the same criminals which lead to 9/11 in the end, that's why all her testimony to the 9/11 commission, once they were forced to listen, was censored.
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..Marc Grossman also has a curious role in these affairs - he was involved in the Plame affair, and also in Sibel's case (and perhaps even the nexus of the two)

This from my interview with KTM, (Kill The Messenger) director Mathieu Verboud:

Luke: I know that you interviewed Marc Grossman and that you cut it out of the film - can you talk about the interview at all?

Mathieu: Knowing the players in the game, and knowing the business that they engage in, and this being a small world, and Grossman having worked in Turkey and Pakistan, he’§ met with ISI chief (Pakistani intelligence agency) on a much-hyped but yet mysterious meeting on September 11, at the time of the attacks, he is a pillar of the (American Turkish Council), etc, one could assume that Marc Grossman would not be far away from those dealings - legal or illegal, it doesn't matter.

Christopher Deliso has also written about Grossman - this from an article (about Plame):
"Although Grossman "has not been as high profile in the press" FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds cryptically told me the other day, "don't overlook him, he is very important."

She was not speaking about the Plame affair, though Grossman did indeed have a key role there, as we will see. According to her, Grossman was one of three officials, the other two, she says, are Richard Perle and Douglas Feith, who had been watched by both Valerie Plame's Brewster Jennings & Associates CIA team, and by the major FBI investigation of organized crime and governmental corruption on which she herself was working until being terminated in April 2002."
In another interview with Chris Deliso, Sibel also famously said:
"That's the beauty of it. You can start from the AIPAC angle. You can start from the Plame case. You can start from my case. They all end up going to the same place, and they revolve around the same nucleus of people. There may be a lot of them, but it is one group. And they are very dangerous for all of us."

How do you think Grossman, Feith and Perle fit into this story?

How about Plame and Brewster Jennings?
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Kill the messenger

Sergeant Lauro "LJ" Chavez, 9/11 Whistle Blower Speaks Out to the Editor of the Cincinnati Post

From the Veterans for 9/11 Truth website

From 1995 till 2002 I was a Sergeant in
the United States Army. Not only this, but I was stationed at United States Central Command, which is located at MacDill AFB in Tampa Florida. I was on active duty when 9-11 happened. In the days prior to the tragedies, we were involved in many exercises. Some of these exercises included the scenarios of hijacked planes crashing into, our
building the world trade center, the White House, Sears Tower, and the Pentagon. These drills or exercises as we called them, where
classified Top Secret. Having a Top Secret rated clearance I was dumbfounded that they would ever push a training exercise above the level of Secret. Over my 8 years in the Army, I had participated in many exercises around the world, none of which were ever classified
over the Secret level.

I'll start by saying a few months prior it was announced by President Bush that Dick Cheney would be heading up operations over NORAD our
North American Aerospace Defense Command. Along with many of my peers, we were shocked. Over the years, if you research NORAD, it has always
been under the command of a Military officer. It was done this way because the defense of this country has always been in the hands of
such. Prior to the months before 9-11 this was all of the sudden changed. Like I said, if you research NORAD and the command structure you will find that it was imposed long ago that the military should be in control of the order to scramble planes in the defense of American
air space. For some strange reason, Bush changed this and gave that power to a civilian person on his Staff team yes I know, very interesting.

Back to the morning of 9-11; the command was busy with this training exercise. We were instructed to bring all our gear in to prep for a mock (staged) deployment to the Middle East. On the morning of 9-11 I had been on base prepped and ready to go since about 0400am.

So, I was standing in the SCIF (Secure Compartmented Information Facility), which is basically this underground bunker command post for
USCENTCOM, when the first plane hit. We were watching the fly patterns of all the planes on the aerospace grid. This contained not only all
commercial flights at the time, but all military flights, and fake enemy planes that were supposedly put on there for the exercise. Many
of the planes sent to intercept the fake blips were scrambled from Andrews which is an air defense AFB for the East Coast. They were sent
across the US and left very few planes to defend the capital. After the first plane hit the tower we were all in disbelief. After the
initial shock was over, our questions were what are the odds this could happen for real, during a training exercise thats covering the
same scenario? We were all at wits end. Then to top all of this off, Cheney gave NORAD the order to stand down scrambling jets to intercept. A few moments later tower 2 was hit. Only after the
Pentagon was hit, did he give the orders to scramble the jets to intercept the plane bound for the White House.

How is it possible to have a training
exercise about planes hitting the WTC and then actually have planes hit the WTC? This kind of thing just does not happen unless its pre-planned. What reason would there be to have this type of exercise on that morning, I'll tell you if you are placing fake planes all over the north American aerospace grid then you have no way of
knowing which planes are real and which are fake. Then to thicken the plot you put a civilian in charge of NORAD so that the military does
not have the power to initiate the order for jets to be scrambled to intercept. If the military would have still commanded power over NORAD
they would have scrambled jets because they would have simply followed the procedures that had been in place for this type of situation for years and years and scrambled jets...
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No idea they would use planes as missiles eh? What are the odds indeed? As Robert Bowman said, if they had simply done nothing 9/11 would have never happened.

Sergeant Chavez speaks

Re: #37

Someone calling themself Saladin should know the proper context for use of the word "crusade".

The kill rate in Iraq for Muslim on Muslim carnage is currently about 50 Muslims for every 1 coalition troop.

The only "crusade" currently in progress is occurring between warring Islamic factions (i.e. Sunni vs Shiite) - not Christian vs Muslim.

Saladin is calling herself Saladin because that is her name. The so-called "Christians" are the virtual leaders of death and destruction. Who dropped the first atomic bombs? Who is spreading DU poisoning across the middle east as we speak? Who is threatening to nuke a country that has done nothing to us? Who has virtually destroyed Iraq for no reason at all? Who gave cluster bombs to Israel to drop all over Lebanon? How many illegal invasions have these Christians engaged in during the past 120 years? Jesus would be appalled. Put your head back in the sand.

...The kill rate in Iraq for Muslim on Muslim carnage is currently about 50 Muslims for every 1 coalition troop..."

Just how many coalition troops would have to be muslim for this to be true? Every single one of them! Must be more forced conversions over there than just the occasional FAUX news "journalistas".

I certainly have no doubt that such "Muslim on Muslim" violence would ever have gotten so unbelievably commonplace, had the illegal, immoral and unwise invasion of Iraq never taken place.

-T

Should be "killed coalition troops would have to be muslim"

-T

p.s. Glad to see the blog back up David!

Re: #43

OK, I'll type slowly so you can do the math.

"The number of Iraqi civilians killed in July and August hit 6,599, a record-high number that is far greater than initial estimates suggested, the United Nations said.

The report from the UN Assistance Mission in Iraq's Human Rights office highlighted the sectarian crisis gripping the country, offering a grim assessment across a range of indicators - worrying evidence of torture, unlawful detentions, growth of sectarian militias and death squads, and a rise in "honor killings" of women."

- So that's 6599 Muslims killed by Muslims in July and August.

"Military Fatalities: By Month
Period US UK Other* Total

8-2006 65 1 0 66
7-2006 43 1 2 46

- So that's 112 Coalition fatalities in July and August.

My mistake! My original post should have said -"The kill rate in Iraq for Muslim on Muslim carnage is currently about 58.9 Muslims for every 1 coalition troop."

The Nature of God

The Pope was not trying to contrast Islam with Christianity, but to contrast a religion that uses violence to convince versus a truer faith that has no room for violence. In fact, faith in God and violence are incompatible, whether one is a Muslim or a Christian. God does not conquer by blood and God's revenge is manifested through suffering for those who have shown him outrage. In fact, the Pope's words were primarily directed at Christians, particularly those who would bring on the apocalypse with smart bombs and mythical theories, who justify violence against the violent, while harboring inhuman dreams which violate the very nature of the soul. There is no "virtue of war", war being incompatible with the concept of theological virtue. Freedom cannot be spread by cluster bombs. It is blasphemy to think we can torture and burn our way to Christ's peace. Pope Benedict has asked the question that every Christian should ask him or herself, "Is it still licit to speak of the very existence of a 'just war'?" Have you answered that question in your heart and daily life?

I agree! The Pope's speech was directed at the blood-thirsty vultures of America and the American government.

Muslims need to wake up and smell the roses and not seek revenge. When jihad is mentioned, I believe that it is synonymous with to kill non-Muslims!

Is there such a concept of a Just War? War is outmoded and it serves no constructive purpose in our lives!!!

Is Hitler Bush the reincarnated Adolph Hitler???

Here is what was overlooked in the Pope's speech!!!!!

Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...'." Pope Benedict XVI, Address at the University of Regensburg, Sept. 17, 2006.

Why is Hitler Bush so stupid?????

America, England, and Israel put down your swords!!!!!

It is blasphemy to think we can torture and burn our way to Christ's peace!!!!!!!!!!

Fox Clinton Interview - Part 1 - Osama bin Laden

This is the first 20 minutes of Bill Clinton's interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday. In this clip, Wallace asks Clinton why he didn’¥ do more to capture or kill Osama bin Laden while he was in office. Clinton clearly feels like he has been set up and doesn't hold back in telling Wallace just how he feels.

Video - WMP

Video- QT

Update:

John Amato: It makes you wonder why Wallace has never asked any Republican in Bush's dministration why they didn't catch Osama, doesn't it? When Wallace tells us that he got emails about it so he just had to bring it up?. Has he ever mentioned emailers before on his show? Wallace brought the FOX News right-wing agenda to play on this interview. We should email Chris every time he has on anyone from the Bush administration and see if our questions get through.

Rice admits that the Bush administration didn't want to retaliate for the Cole bombing, despite Clarke's prodding:

More HERE

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Bill makes a mockery of the Faux News pinhead Wallace. He exposes the complete lack of concern the current WH had for terrorists, OBL, etc.

capt

The United Nations has announced that opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan has soared and is expected to increase by 59% in 2006. The production of opium is estimated to have increased by 49% in relation to 2005.

The Western media in chorus blame the Taliban and the warlords. The Bush administration is said to be committed to curbing the Afghan drug trade: "The US is the main backer of a huge drive to rid Afghanistan of opium... "

Yet in a bitter irony, US military presence has served to restore rather than eradicate the drug trade.

What the reports fail to acknowledge is that the Taliban government was instrumental in implementing a successful drug eradication program, with the support and collaboration of the UN.

Implemented in 2000-2001, the Taliban's drug eradication program led to a 94 percent decline in opium cultivation. In 2001, according to UN figures, opium production had fallen to 185 tons. Immediately following the October 2001 US led invasion, production increased dramatically, regaining its historical levels.

The Vienna based UN Office on Drugs and Crime estimates that the 2006 harvest will be of the order of 6,100 tonnes, 33 times its production levels in 2001 under the Taliban government (3200 % increase in 5 years).

Cultivation in 2006 reached a record 165,000 hectares compared with 104,000 in 2005 and 7,606 in 2001 under the Taliban
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nothing like a good old bushco war on drugs to increase drugs by 3200%

Pope Benedict has asked the question that every Christian should ask him or herself, "Is it still licit to speak of the very existence of a 'just war'?" Have you answered that question in your heart and daily life?

...You know, I just don't spend that much time on him....
....I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.
bush on bin laden

I have added Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil to my Hall of Honor.

Hall of Honor

Dear Cornposters:

I am announcing a new category for worthwhile people. Recognition is given to persons who have been attacked verbally and criticized by Nazis, fascists, scumbags, slime balls, neocons, and religious right groups. The new award is called Hall of Honor. I will add more names as they become available to me and as I can recall more names. You may assist with names as well. Politicians’†names are excluded because most politicians are attacked verbally and criticized by some group or groups. I am also excluding names of my foxes. They are very special and deserving of a separate place for honors and accolades. Members of the Hall of Honor are persons who are a thorn in the side of the above-mentioned groups.

Here are the names of the recipients of this award.

David Corn***Bishop Thomas Gumbleton***Father John Dear***Greg Palast
Al Franken***Michael Moore***Bill Moyers***Jon Stewart***Sidney Blumenthal
Glenn Greenwald***Daniel Ellsberg***Richard Clarke***Paul O'Neil

Sincerely,

Gerald

Jesus Camp: Mini Review

I'm not great at this sort of thing, but here goes. Becky Fisher is the focal point of this new film by Magnolia pictures. She's a Pentecostal children's pastor who runs a summer camp in North Dakota that uses mind control and the gospel to take her Evangelical teaching to a very disturbing playground. That of a child's mind. She boasts that she can easily turn a very young child into a Christian Warrior. I thought we have laws against such corruption. In reality, she's a brainwashing master manipulator that preys on the innocence of these children and her practices turns them into a bible thumping, judge hating. Bush loving army that she hopes will turn this country into Jesus Land.

The movie grabs you from the opening credits and keeps you there as the director let's Becky and the kids do the preaching. And preach they do, Fisher never misses an opportunity to find a toy or a phrase that she can use to trick the kids into submission. I cringed at every tear these children shed for sins they never committed. They screamed and talked in tongues stretching their arms in the air-grasping at nothing-pledging their devotion to GOD. I wondered what sins a five year old could possibly have committed and then Becky tells them that Harry Potter is evil. Fisher says that if Islamic extremists can train their kids then why can't Evangelicals do the same. That's a cheery thought. To Evangelical homeschooling moms global warming is a myth and science is a fraud to keep oneself separated from the Lord.

More HERE

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It is a crazy world where Harry Potter is evil and Bush is God.

Before this is over we will have to kill all of the extremists from all sides. These Kkkristo-fascists are insane and they are making sure their children are the same coin - just the flip side of the children in Madrasas.

capt

Critics of Blair protest before party rally

It will be Blair's final conference as party leader after nine years in office and three successive election victories.

Blair's backing for the U.S.-led war on Iraq and his reforms of public services have angered many in Labour, leading to a slide in his popularity.

He was forced earlier this month to say he would resign within a year as rows over the succession exploded into public.

"The message we are trying to get across to the Labour Party is that it really is time for Blair to go," British Muslim Initiative spokeswoman Yasmin Ataullah, 32, said at the protest.

"It's not just foreign policies, it's a question of many failures of domestic policy," Ataullah told Reuters.

Blair's sister-in-law, Lauren Booth, fronted one of the anti-war demonstrations, telling reporters it was a "massive embarrassment" for her to be related to the prime minister.

More HERE

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One point for the Blair inlaws. They are more intelligent than anybody in the Bush clan. The Bush's are too stupid to be embarrassed by the abject failure in the WH.

capt

Evangelical leaders urging followers to back GOP in Nov.

Push for votes comes on opening day of weekend strategy meeting

WASHINGTON Worried that discontent among conservatives and the lack of a clear standard-bearer to follow President Bush might cost Republicans in November, top evangelical leaders pleaded yesterday with their followers to put aside frustrations and turn out for GOP candidates.

The appeals, coming on the opening day of a weekend-long strategy conference, included frequent entreaties to pastors to use their pulpits on behalf of the social conservative agenda - and to do so without fear of violating tax laws that prevent churches from engaging in partisanship.

"There is no choice, because the alternative is terrible," said James C. Dobson, founder of the influential Focus on the Family group, referring to the potential for a Democratic takeover of the House and Senate in November.

More HERE

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The IRS investigates the church in CA for daring to speak of peace while the Kkkristo-fascists go unchecked?

capt

yeh, was it that psycho pat roberts calling for the assasination of Chavez? And the IRS doesn't even blink. SUCH a good KKKristian! Guess that's not considered poltical raving.

The Real Litmus Test for Peace (That Democrats Flunk)
Do you oppose an attack on Iran? Article by Justin Raimondo.

...I'll tell you what's scary: the U.S. is barreling toward a military confrontation with the Islamic Republic of Iran, and, this time around, the leaders of both parties are revving up the engines of war. Calls for withdrawal from Iraq are no guarantee that a congressional candidate is "antiwar", after all, the withdrawal position is now the popular one to espouse. With a U.S. military strike a distinctly imminent possibility, Iran is the real litmus test, and how many candidates from either party could pass it? Not many, I'm afraid.

Now that is truly scary. The regionalization of the Iraq war, the strong possibility that the U.S., not Iran, will use nuclear weapons, in short, a cataclysmic clash of civilizations is on the immediate horizon. Where are the leaders who will lead us out of this morass? Where are the voices of reason in our political parties, and even among the "mainstream" punditry? Will no one stand up and say "Enough!"?
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After reading Pelosi's comments it is clear she is a freak, I hope she and all the war mongering republicrats get the boot!

Dembacs,

Your math assumes that every single dead civilian muslim was killed by another muslim.

It is a fact that civilian muslims have been killed in that time by COW forces.

Just because you think it doesn't mean it is true. You are wrong.

"Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." ~ Robert F. Kennedy


"I would like to be known as a person who is concerned about freedom and equality and justice and prosperity for all people." ~ Rosa Parks


"You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves." ~ Native American Wisdom


"America is only as healthy as the water our children drink, the air they breathe, the yards and parks in which they play and laugh, and the communities in which they live. The question is whether armed with that knowledge, our generation will leave our children and grandchildren an earth that is cleaner, not more degraded; more beautiful, not more polluted; healthier and safer for children than the world we inherited from our parents and grandparents." ~ John Kerry

Our choice of candidates cannot be between Warmonger and Warmonger "lite" - That is not a choice.

Bayh: Iraq not central to war on terror

Iraq is not the central front in the war on terrorism, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh said Sunday in New Hampshire.

"Iraq is taking the focus away from Afghanistan and Iran," Bayh said in a telephone interview.

Bayh said he agreed with the "collective judgment" of U.S. intelligence agencies that the Iraq war has increased the terrorist threat.

"I think they're probably right," he said.

More HERE

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No success like failure.

capt

#57 capt, very interesting!!! Your tax exempt status disappears if you criticize Bush but you keep it for praising him and calling upon the masses to vote for him.

Jesus Camp is developing future generations of psychos for Naxi America and her endless wars.

War with Iran is not if but when!!!

#62 capt, only "lite" is acceptable in beer and not for a warmonger "lite." Does "lite" mean that we drop 10 nukes on Iran and not 25 nukes?

#59 Saladin, more people are seeing my view that we will attack Iran!!! Slowly, the people are seeing that 2006 ends the Democratic party!!! With rigged voting machines and a Nazi mind-set in America the Dems will RIP forever.

"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events."
~ Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." - Plato

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The state has, in order to control us, introduced division into our thinking, so that we come to distrust others and look to the state for protection! But the roots of our individualism remind us that what we are is inseparable from the source from which all others derive; that coercive practices that threaten our neighbor also threaten us.: -Butler Shaffer

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If there is one principle more deeply rooted in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest: -Thomas Jefferson

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The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people: Frank Kent

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I am done with great things and big things, great institutions and big success, and I am for those tiny invisible molecular moral forces that work from individual to individual, creeping through the crannies of the world like so many rootlets, or like the capillary oozing of water, yet which if you give them time, will rend the hardest monuments of man's pride: William James

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Thanks ICH Newsletter!

Driving While Muslim

Perhaps the most painful aspect of the Justice Department campaign is the fact that before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, many of Dearborn's Shiites, and especially its Iraqi expatriates, gave the Bush Administration the benefit of the doubt. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz hosted an anti-Saddam Hussein rally in Dearborn that February, where hundreds feverishly chanted, "Saddam must go!" Bush himself delivered a speech in the town shortly after the fall of Baghdad. In both cases, the message the Administration wished to send was clear: The authentic Iraqi and Arab reaction would be enthusiasm for the US invasion.

Now that the Administration looks unfavorably on a different aspect of Shiite identity, many here feel betrayed. "We feel like we've been used," says Imam Husham al-Husainy of the Karbalaa Islamic Education Center, an Iraqi-American cleric who once led prowar rallies in Dearborn. "This turn of events, the very easy accusations of people, not to mention destroying their reputations, is very alarming," adds Maha Hussain, a University of Michigan oncologist who hosted Wolfowitz at the Dearborn rally. "The Iraqi community put its trust in the Administration at the intention level and the competence level. Only God knows what their intentions were, but in terms of competence, at every step, they made the wrong choice. Iraq is destroyed."

More HERE

Graduates from from Jesus Camp will someday see their Maker and as they go before Him they will say that they murdered for Jesus with a proud tone in their voices and Jesus will ask them, "What did you do for the least of your brethren???" "Why did you murder your brothers and sisters in my name???" "Why did you not love one another as I have loved you??? "Why did you not put down your sword against my children???"

Is Jesus Camp teaching blasphemy? Blasphemy is the unforgiveable sin that solidifies eternal damnation!!!!!

RE: #60

Haj,

"It is a fact that civilian muslims have been killed in that time by COW forces."

How many? To what extent does this change the "58.9 to 1" ratio? Perhaps back to my original "50 to 1" ratio then? Let's see your numbers/facts.

"Just because you think it doesn't mean it is true. You are wrong."

Just because facts show it to be true, it doesn't mean you will accept it! You are pre-disposed.

The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people: Frank Kent

No country on planet Earth is more evil than Nazi America and her Nazi Americans!!!!!

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."
~ Anne Lamott

Nazi Americans have more tolerance for evil than any other people on planet Earth!!!!!

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."
~ Anne Lamott

We can safely say that we have created our God to our image and likeness to hate people endlessly as we do!!!

Let me remind you that when you go before God, you will want a God of mercy! But, will you be judged by the God that you created? Will He deliver you into hell for your hateful deeds? Remember you created your own God to be like you! Since you hate, you are more comfortable with hate!!!

Dumbacs,

I don't know how many...I only know it to be more than zero.

You're the one spouting off figures as though YOU know ALL the facts.

You obviously don't.

Regardless, you ignore the MOST salient issue.

How many of those people killed, be they civillians, insurgents, COW forces, journalists, defense contractors, etc. would have been killed had Bushco not undertaken the most asinie use of military power in history on trumped-up intelligence, fabricated claims and arrogant assumtions of how the conquered would just roll over and accept their "forced freedom and democracy?

The only answer I know is FAR FEWER.

But, by all means, don't let that figure into the fractions that cloud your brain.

I know you won't.

-T

"There was no telling what people might find out once they felt free to ask whatever questions they wanted to." ~ Joseph Heller (1923 - 1999), Catch 22

If you want to see a dead political party, you only have to look into the faces of Democrats.

Haj,

Yea, you're right. The bodies of those 300,000 souls discovered in Iraq after the overthrow of that lovable Sunni Muslim Saddam Hussein would still be living beings if the U.S. had only stayed out.

And by the way, I used UN figures in my prior posts. But your statement - "The only answer I know is FAR FEWER." - trumps any data that might be available.

BTW - "the MOST salient issue" is that the VAST majority of deaths caused since the cessation of the air assault has been Muslim on Muslim - even including coalition forces casualties.

Again, you can deny the truth, but you can't change it.

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge."

Can anyone honestly tell me what do the Democrats stand for? Please share with me what they really stand for!!!

Iraq war created a terrorist flood, American spymasters warn Bush

America's spy agencies have concluded that the invasion of Iraq has created a flood of new Islamic terrorists and increased the danger to US interests to a higher level than at any time since the 9/11 attacks.

This grim assessment is provided in a classified intelligence document called the National Intelligence Estimate, large parts of which have been leaked to the New York Times. The report is the largest US intelligence survey of the global terror threat carried out since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

Its conclusion will surprise few critics of the Iraq war or US policy against terrorism. It is, however, a sharp contrast to the message often coming out of the White House and provides a far more harrowing assessment of terrorism than a congressional report published last week.

More HERE

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The illegal and unwise invasion of Iraq is what our enemies wanted. Nobody can "win" an occupation. Eventually the occupiers have to leave and that will always be touted as a resounding victory for nationalists and insurgents.

capt

"...Yea, you're right. The bodies of those 300,000 souls discovered in Iraq after the overthrow of that lovable Sunni Muslim Saddam Hussein would still be living beings if the U.S. had only stayed out..."

How, exactly, did the invasion of Iraq make those people any more...or less...dead?

Why do you insist on making pretzels when your argument is the middle of a doughnut?

"...that the VAST majority of deaths caused since the cessation of the air assault has been Muslim on Muslim - even including coalition forces casualties..."

How many COW forces killed have been MUSLIM? Why do you so easily dis-include the almost three thousand Christian, Jewish, and at least one WICCAN soldiers who've been killed?

You keep making statments that are false, both to the overblowing and under-reporting of facts.

Maybe, on average, you're close.

Here's a pertinent joke. Five homeless vets are standing around some burning trash in a barrel...Bill Gates walks up... POOF! On average, suddenly they're all millionaires!

Powell Belatedly Joins Bid to Save Our Nation's Soul

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We are often told that terrorists threaten our "way of life." We hear this so often that it's jolting to realize it's not true.

Oh, they threaten our lives, certainly. Your life, mine. But our "way" of life? No.

Granted, that's a broad and vaguely defined term - but still, no. Whether you take it to mean things frivolous (baseball, MTV, fireworks on the Fourth) or things fundamental (freedom of speech, equality under the law, the native idealism of our national character), there is no way suicide bombers and fanatics with box cutters can destroy our way of life.

Unless we let them. Unless we, in fear, knuckle down and destroy it ourselves.

This, I think, was the line drawn by four GOP senators and the former secretary of state. A line that says, finally, beyond all politics and partisanship and manipulation and fear: enough.

I don't mean to minimize the threat terrorist fanatics pose to your life and mine. But vital as it is that our lives be protected, there are things that matter more. Meaning the essential character of our nation.

Experts say torture is an unreliable tool for interrogation; it often produces false confessions. But even if that were not the case, even if we had to choose between saving Americans and preserving America, it should be an easy call.

Kill me before you kill my country.

More HERE

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An easy call for a real patriot and citizen.

capt

I guess that it is better late than never?

Colin L. Powell is late. Late by weeks, late by months. Truth to tell, late by years.
"The world," he wrote in a letter to Sen. John McCain this month, "is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism."

The eyes goggle at the word, neon-obvious in its understatement. Beginning to doubt? "Beginning"?

There has always been a doubt on Nazi America's intentions in the fight on terrorism from the other countries. Nazi America does have moral leadership and so it has no moral credibility.

Haj,

OK, I'll try this again.

A Sunni Muslim responsible for the murder of 300,000 Shiite Mulims points to an inherent willingness to kill WITHIN the Muslim faith, which continues even today. This willingness existed BEFORE the U.S. entered Iraq, and will clearly continue to exist long after the U.S. leaves.

I have in no way excluded the "almost three thousand Christian, Jewish, and at least one WICCAN soldiers who've been killed?". They are represented by the statistic stating 112 coalition deaths during July and August 06. This is the number divided INTO the 6599 Muslim civilian deaths recorded during July and August 06.

The statements I made are based on UN data - it's simple math, Haj. None of my statements are false - none are based on "overblowing and under-reporting of facts.". Google Iraq casualties for July and August 2006.

By the way, your joke illustrates your lack of understanding of logic. The presence of Bill Gates at the trash barrel changes the average percent of millionaires from 0% (0 in 5) to 16% (1 in 6). - Based on this, I accept your apology.

Nazi Americans are letting Hitler Bush destroy our way of life!!!

Well! Capt told me he thought things were up and running. And they are.

#11 Capt

Extremely right on! That's also a good answer to you Saladin. Of course we are against any war-mongering pig. I'm not so sure, however, what with the incessant fear-mongering of Karl Rove & company that a candidate who comes out completely against violent war efforts could win. Afterall, it looks like Afghanistan is falling again. That's where the real need is for police action against terrorism. And with the current report from the spy agencies on Iraq being a breeding ground for militants (which we all knew would happen) there's a fine line here. This war against Muslims is so immoral. That's what needs to be repeatedly pointed out.

Don't forget. We'll be in Iran before the elections. That'll mess up any logic to this election. Capt's right though, get the vote out anyway, even with all of the corruption. It's important to make them just a little scared. That and the political/military establishment issuing a stern warning about abrogating the Geneva Convention will keep them, one hopes, on their arrogant toes. Can you believe after this torture fiasco Bushco would still go ahead with plans to invade Iran?

Capt

I can't stick around due to familial needs but tell everyone about Clinton's interview with Fox's Wallace again and perhaps relink them to Crooks if you haven't already. My sister had a hard time getting into their site earlier.

Capt was oh so right yesterday. THIS IS A MUST SEE OR READ INTERVIEW. I, too, have some mixed feelings about Clinton particularly the Welform Reform bill of '96 which led to the impoverishment of many children. Clinton is a New Democrat. BUT, after you see or read this, your hope for the Democratic party will perk up a bit. If only others could be as intelligent as Bill.

#82, it should have posted Nazi America does NOT have the moral leadership and so it does not have moral credibility.

James,

I was just briefly skimming, but I saw your comment on the hatred of Communist economics. That is the sole reason why Communism was so hated ultimately. The powers that be wanted to maintain the status quo. Labor was a threat. Thus we have the bloodiest labor history on the planet. Labor still is a threat. They are powerful owners and want to remain so. F**k everone else. Afterall, they wouldn't be rich and powerful if God didn't intend for them to be so.

Now, really gotta go.

Nothing Americans do stops the slide into despair

Three decades ago, a decorated young veteran who would become the Democratic presidential candidate in 2004 famously asked: "How do you ask a man to become the last man to die for a mistake?" The words of John Kerry to a Congressional Committee that was probing the Vietnam war now apply to Iraq - to American soldiers and Iraqi civilians alike.

The killings spare no one. Pentagon figures show that attacks between May and August this year were running at 792 a week, up 24 per cent from the previous quarter. Sectarian violence is increasing, but so too are attacks on US troops.

The total killing of human beings must glorify our Nazi government and our Nazi Americans.

You really must love a country and her people that totally embrace the killing of human beings.

Carey, anti-war candidates could win if the people back them. I'm sorry that the clinton interview doesn't interest me, I can't stand him or her or anyone that lies their ass off to make political gains. No doubt clinton knew exactly what was in store for OBL and Al-CIAda, you don't get to be the president without having a good deal of insider knowledge. He can whine all he wants now, I don't care. What he did at Waco and in Kosovo is beyond forgiveness, he can rot with the rest as far as I am concerned.

Dumbacs,

PRECICELY!

The joke SHOULD be ...."POOF, suddenly their average worth exceeded $1,000,000 each!"

YOUR statement SHOULD be...

"...Even including coalition forces casualties, the VAST majority of deaths caused since the cessation of the air assault has been Muslim on Muslim..."

Modifying "Muslim on Muslim" violence with "including COW casualties" doesn't make sense.

You meant to modify DEATHS, not Muslims...

Nothing else changes, except for the hundred of thousands of needed deaths since the asinine invasion of Iraq. All of them can be attributed to the invasion, since we'll never know what might have been had there been no invasion.

Cause/effect not something you ponder?

Hajji, they want to kill them in large quantities now, you can't reason with a racist. They are what they are, God help them.

Haj,

Your lack of understanding of statistics is overwhelming! The percentage of coalition forces that are Muslim is statistically insignificant, as is your statement -

"...Even including coalition forces casualties, the VAST majority of deaths caused since the cessation of the air assault has been Muslim on Muslim...".

The inclusion of coalition Muslims has no affect on the statistics stated.

As far as your use of quotation marks in the statement -

"including COW casualties",

this punctuation infers that this is a quote from me - it is not. I have never used the term COW when referring to coalition forces.

Your statement -

"All of them can be attributed to the invasion, since we'll never know what might have been had there been no invasion."

ignores the first part of my post. The fact that 300,000 Muslims were murdered under the Saddam Hussein regime CERTAINLY sets a precedent.

The fact that Iraq fought a war with Iran (a Muslim nation) and invaded Kuwait (a Muslim nation) indicates Muslim on Muslim violence tendencies.

How can anyone be so ignorant? Are you ignoring the details on purpose? Even if it was true that saddam killed 300,000, does that justify what we have done? You are really sick if you think that way. Becoming the tyrant you despise is not the way to win hearts and minds. We are supposed to form an example, not emulate a sadistic psychopath. What is WRONG with you??

Saladin,

So based on your response above, the policy in regards to Darfur needs to be "hands off". Even if hundreds of thousands have been killed there, "does that justify" what would be done (your words)?

YOU are really sick if YOU think that way. Ending genocide is more important than winning hearts and minds!

What is wrong with YOU?

denmac,

Your desire is to harp on Muslim upon Muslim violence, like it is a religious predeliction. In the case of Iraq, there's hardly a bordering country that couldn't be said to be "muslim".

There's also very few non-muslims in Iraq to be effected, either by Saddam's regime (with Bush1/Rumsfeld's support) OR the current civil war made possible by the COW (which means "Coalition of the Willing" I didn't make it up) invasion.

Should such a civil war break out almost ANYWHERE in the region, muslim on muslim violence is what you'd get.

Would you have characterized the American Civil War as VASTLY "Christian on Christian" violence?

What is it about the failure of the Bush Administration to maintain order, as occupier of Iraq that turns most every one of your posts into some semblance of "Muslim on Muslim" violence, instead of FAILURE of Bushco?

Haj,

Just stating the facts.

If you believe, as I do, that the mere knowledge of murder occurring must trigger a moral response, then you do acknowledge that the Saddam Hussein regime needed to be quashed (and that the situation in Darfur must be dealt with immediately also).

As far as how best to achieve this, I lay no claim to that knowledge. However, I do know that any culture that views strapping explosives onto their children as a legitimate response is suspect to begin with.

The Middle East has been steeped in inter- and intra-cultural hatred and mistrust for centuries -this could not have been changed in the last 4 years.

JAMES, SALADIN and all,

As you posted yesterday James, this is it. All bets are off. Saladin, it's very sad for me to even consider Pelosi and fellow Dems would scream war cries going into Iran.

Going to War? YES

"...The Middle East has been steeped in inter- and intra-cultural hatred and mistrust for centuries -this could not have been changed in the last 4 years..."

Very early posts from me, here, relayed exactly the same sentiments after many conversations with a doctor/friend I work with. He grew up in Damascus and told me exactly what the "leaked" National Intelligence Estimate reported on today....the invasion of Iraq will CREATE more problems in the WOT than it would ever solve.

Revenge, in such a culture, (certainly NOT limited to followers of Islam!)is intergenerational. Personal vendettas are sometimes carried out after decades of simmering out of sight, below the surface. This is something that is well understood (and accepted) within the culture and has been for centuries.

It is yet another thing either ignored or considered irrelevant, due to the HUBRIS of Buscho. Lotsa people told 'em so, but weren't heard or were simply ignored.

-T

Panty & Lamonties, listen up! Didn't I predict this? The man is shallower than Lake Okeechobee, but hey, ole Neddy is well-trained on hypocracy & is downright a scrooge w/charities! I cut out some heard-before stuff but left in `new' stuff (for me anyway).

Getting A Line On Lamont
Kevin Rennie
Hartford Courant
September 24, 2006

Democratic Senate candidate Ned Lamont is having trouble moving from the small stage of a primary campaign with its appeal to partisans to the main stage of the general election, which requires the attention of the state's 2.1 million voters. Since the Aug. 8 primary, Lamont has done little more than repeat his opposition to the war in Iraq and carp about Sen. Joseph Lieberman's independent bid for a fourth term.

Part of the problem in getting to know more about Lamont is that he has no record in a public office that required him to take stands on issues. He is mostly free to make it up as he goes along. Lamont did get nabbed when he recently took a swing at Lieberman for criticizing then President Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal. Oops, turns out he sent a rambling letter to Lieberman in 1998 praising Lieberman and calling Clinton's behavior "outrageous."

The public has to look at the fragments it can find of Lamont's private life to figure out what sort of public figure he would be. The man who seemed a fresh force in the spring is starting to look like a contrivance as the fall begins. Here are some examples:

....The Lamonts won't disclose details, but public documents reveal that Ann Lamont was successfully sued for securities fraud in 1999 for her role......

Some of the records are sealed, and the Lamont campaign won't reveal how much of the settlement Ann Lamont had to pay in 2001 to get out of the mess. Substitute the name of, say, Lynne Cheney for Ann Lamont and imagine the outrage on the left for such a doomed scheme.

The Greenwich scion does want to do something about poverty. Judging by the limited personal financial records his campaign released in July, Lamont would leave it to the government. In his 2005 tax return, Lamont reported income of $2.9 million. He gave just one-sixth of 1 percent of that, or $5,385, to charity.

That income tax return also showed that although Lamont expresses worry about American jobs going overseas, he's not so upset that he won't profit from foreign investments. Nearly a third of that $2.9 million income came from investments in foreign funds.

Ned Lamont is a curious puzzle. The more you look at the pieces, the harder it is to get them to fit together.

#20 Capt previous post...The OBL faux news is certainly a sign that they are trying to bring us the "October Surprise" in September.

A group of us spent several hours at a roundtable discussion here in Athens with Congressman Sherrod Brown running for Senate against Dewine. Brown's voting record is most often in support of the working class.

He and I went around as to whether the war should be a campaign issue. I asked how could it not be a campaign issue, especially in regard to holding people accountable for the lies about WMD's. His response is that this election should not be about retribution of impeachment. My response was " since when is holding people accountable for lies about WMD's defined as retribution instead of defined as JUSTICE. And that I had never used the word impeachment" Which I do not think is the issue.

I had watched the debate on "Meet the Press" last Sunday between Webb and Allen from Virginia. Most of their go around was about Iraq and the failing policies of the Bush administration.

Congressman Sherrod Brown voted against the invasion along with Kucinich and Congressman Ted Strickland (Athens is in his district) who is way out in front for Ohio's Governors seat.

How are other people's state campaigns going?

Political Correctness Gone Wild! The Islamo-Fascists would score a win IF all stations refuse to air this dealership's funny ads! Far milder than the Thurs.Nite Funnies here on the Corn blog. Cornuts, let's see your outrage and show of support for the car dealership! This is in Ohio, a battleground state....show folks you truly are for freedom of expressions.

COLUMBUS RADIO ADVERTISING
Stations say `Jihad' car spots go too far
Saturday, September 23, 2006
Tim Feran
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Some Columbus radio stations have rejected as insensitive an advertisement for a car dealership that invokes Islamic references.

The general manager of the dealership, though, says the promotions - which he called "tongue-in-cheek" - will air on some stations beginning next week.

In the spot, Keith Dennis of Dennis Mitsubishi talks about "launching a jihad on the automotive market."

Sales representatives "will be wearing burqas all weekend long," the ad says. One of the vehicles on sale "can comfortably seat up to 12 jihadists in the back."

"Our prices are lower than the evildoers’†every day. Just ask the pope! " the ad says. "Friday is fatwa Friday, with free rubber swords for the kiddies."

Jeff Wilson, general manager of Radio One stations WCKX (107.5 FM), WJYD (106.3 FM) and WXMG (98.9 FM), doesn’¥ intend to air the spot....Representatives of WSNY (94.7 FM), WBNS (97.1 FM), WWCD (101.1 FM), WJZA/WJZK (103.5/104.3 FM), and WODB (107.9 FM) also said they won’¥ air the ad.

But Aaron Masterson, general manager of Dennis Auto Point, which writes and produces its own commercials, promised that the commercial will air.

"It starts next Friday morning," Masterson said. "As far as I can see, the top 10 stations - minimum - in the market. We made it very clear we wanted market saturation to get the point across."

The dealership was a little surprised by the hesitation to run the ad,.....Calling the commercial aggressive, Masterson said, "This is one where we feel we're taking a bull's-eye on terrorists. After all the nonsense that the terrorists put the public through, they're fair game."

The president of the Columbus chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, doesn't think terrorism is to be taken lightly.....

tferan@dispatch.com

#100 Carey. The Bush administration is goating Iran. A mistake by Iran would give the Bush administration a great excuse to move forward with their regime change plan.

This group in the White House and the radical Likudniks are completely insane.

Did I hear someone say "Bangkok?"

David,

Flying to/from Kansas City on Thur. & Fri., I used most of that time reading HUBRIS. Your book does make for decent reading as you weave your tale. But, the icing on the cake is getting paid to read it! That was sweet! You see, as a paid-by-the-hour consultant, I'm paid at half-rate for all travel time. Other than book reviewers & your editors, I'll bet no one you know got paid to read your book, heh?

I'm in Chap. 15, A Cover Blown, right smack dab in the middle of Plamegate. So far, though you were subtle, you appear to know that Joe Wilson was trying to maneuver into more publicity. You know, publicly speaking of his trip in 3rd person ways and all, feeling the initial news account didn't get the due exposure and playtime, and finally penning his own op-ed.

Oh, also, when Wilson lies, you call it `mistaken' but when Bushco makes mistakes, they were lying!

I'm going to try more HUBRIS now, but not being paid to read it now, is a huge letdown!

Why are conservatives so interested in the Senate race in CT between a Democrat and a former Democrat?

When the house impeaches Bush for conjuring weapons for mass deception and war crimes, they better have the votes in the Senate to find him not guilty.

Prophecy: Having experienced few security alerts since the previous, 2004 Election, the color coded alerts will resume/be issued several times during Ramadan; there will be another feigned domestic attack, possibly/probably before October 22, which will be used to justify the cleansing of "all things nuclear" in Iran.

Prophecy: Having experienced few security alerts since the previous, 2004 Election, the color coded alerts will resume/be issued several times during Ramadan; there will be another feigned domestic attack, possibly/probably before October 22, which will be used to justify the cleansing of "all things nuclear" in Iran.

#26 Jlc. I so appreciate most of David Corn's reporting, but that Bloggingheads with David and Byron York was just too much. David never really let Byron York finish and continued to interrupt him barely giving York any time to finish a sentence.

While I can understand Corn's frustration in response to being attacked from many sides, Novak, Toensing, York etc. Corn did not play fair, he did not allow York to finish his thoughts or sentences.

Is Micheal Ledeen in France? Are the Bush radicals trying to lure the other radical Bin Laden out so that he will release another tape just before the election?

No evidence bin Laden is dead: Saudi Arabia
Sep 24,
An image taken from an internet posting by al Qaeda's media arm, al Sahab on September 11, 2006,.By David Morgan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia said on Sunday it had no evidence that Osama bin Laden had died, shedding further doubt on a secret document leaked in France that said Saudi secret services believed he had died last m