Thanks!

Jim McGovern says we should cut funding in Iraq. Why not funds to the U.N. They are a pathetic failure and have always been. They are such a pathetic failure they could be bought by Saddam, who according to most of you was just a tin hat with no power. Hell, he bought the U.N. right out from underneath everybody. Do away with this worthless body of raw sewage.

See prior thread for more on the U.N. They are worthless.

This just in...

The RNC is set to sponsor a nationwide speaking tour by Ahmadinejad & Chavez. Will use video footage of speaking engagements to play side by side with footage of Democrats in campaign commercials. Dems will have to figure out a way to distance themselves from the leaders of Iran and Venezuela when they are saying basically the same thing. My question is woh is supplying whom with talking points? Seems to me they are all on the same page.

God, this is a great country! The world, as ignorant as many are, surely noticed that we allow their Heros, from them axis-of-evil banana republics, to deride us right "From the heart of New York city.....Heeeeeeere's Ahmandijah.....and Chavez!"

Short visit, got work to do!

U.S. must end occupation

The war in Iraq was a mistake, and the U.S. military occupation there must end.

From the deceitful and shifting rationales for war, to Bush officials forbidding our generals from making meaningful post-invasion plans, the policies pursued in Iraq have failed and have forced our brave troops to carry out a dangerous and often untenable mission.

The war in Iraq is distinct from the global war against terrorism. Because of Iraq, U.S. standing is at its lowest point ever, making us more isolated and vulnerable in an increasingly dangerous world.

More HERE

Carey,

How are those history classes coming?

Alan,

I thought you would enjoy this link. Jimmy Buffett at political benefit for Kinky in Austin. Notice the guitar strap says "Kinky Guy." I wonder what Kinky is going to do when he gets elected now that Willie got busted?

Jimmy & Kinky

David,

I have some questions about Hubris and its take on the Washington Post's "1x2x6" scoop in September 2003 ("a senior administration official said that before Novak's column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife").

Here's the post, which analyzes the matter in some detail. I'd be very interested in hearing your thoughts/response. Thanks!

TRH wrote in reference to the U.N. "Do away with this worthless body of raw sewage."

Speaking of raw sewage, did you here about the sewage plant in Lebanon that was destroyed by IDF warplanes, It wasn't so long ago, thousands of people died needlessly because two governments (well hezzbolla is sort of a government) overeacted to a relatively minor border squabble. I believe it was the U.N. that put and end to the blood shed, Yeah the U.N. that you call Worthless. If not for the U.N. how many more civilians on both sides would have died? The U.N. is far from perfect, but what you and many others fail to realize is that it is a union of nations. Much like a labor union the U.N. is a sum of its parts. I don't consider the overall sum of the world’s nations to be worthless. Ever here the expression “you gotta take the good with the bad”?

houghts on the "Bringing Terrorists to Justice Act of 2006"
By JOHN W. DEAN
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Friday, Sep. 22, 2006

There are lots of good reasons to employ military tribunals to bring terrorists to justice. One of the most persuasive is to keep terrorists out of the American criminal justice system. Trying them in federal courts could endanger the lives of judges, juries, and prosecutors - not to mention their families. It is unfair to assign such life-threatening work to civilians.

Imagine the practical problems in bringing Osama bin Laden to justice in any federal district court anywhere. The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, and the security system at even the best protected federal courthouse, never envisioned such an enemy (with his own covert army of suicidal supporters) as a defendant.

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Tens of thousands of Iraqi people are dead because the Bush administration conducted a illegal Pre-emptive invasion of their country.

Where is the outrage?"

kathleen @ #11,

"Tens of thousands of Iraqi people are dead because the Bush administration conducted a (sic) illegal (sic) Pre-emptive (sic) invasion of their country."

kathleen,
You know what you did wrong.

Uncledad,

I will never say the U.N. has not accomplished some good. But they pick and choose their missions and efforts when all should be treated equally. If you are going to vote for a resolution, you better be willing to back it up. No matter what that resolution may be. Seems more and more nowdays, the U.N. is nothing than a political body rather than a governing body of nations whose effort is to prevent worldwide conflict. Many nations prefer the "it doesn't concern me so it is okay" if people get slaughtered in Darfur, Rwanda, etc. The U.N. will condemn it but not do anything about it. If the U.N. will do nothing about it, why should it exist? It remains a body built with good intentions but its' results are sorely lacking. If it were a business, it would have declared bankruptcy long ago. Investors would have and still should pull their monies from a clear loser.

Kathleen, I'm outraged. Bush is the worst President ever. He calls other countries names and derides their leaders and then people are surprised that Chavez calls him a devil. He is. This torture thing is absolutely sickening. I can't believe that in the United States we are even having a debate about whether torture is a good thing. He needs to be impeached.

Sorry, kathleen. You know who's at # 12.

Yours truly.

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'Tsup, Cornpeeps. R U ready for some TNF?

"In his speech to the nation this week, Bush said that we have to fight against people who reject tolerance and despise dissent and anyone who disagrees with that is a traitor."
~Jay Leno

"It's been reported that Condoleezza Rice is dating a high level Canadian diplomat. Sources say you can tell because Rice has an extra bounce in her step and is giggling a lot as she prepares for the invasion of Iran."
~Conan O'Brien

"On this day (Sept. 13) in 1993 Israeli and Palestinian leaders met on the White House lawn and signed the peace accord. Glad they settled that!."
~David Letterman

"President Bush said he's often asked why we are in Iraq when Saddam Hussein isn't responsible for 9/11. Bush said all his responses are the same -- 'Dad, quit asking me that.'."
~Jay Leno

"A new season of 'Survivor' debuted tonight featuring the controversial idea of separating the tribes by race. The Asian tribe is called Puka Puka, the African-American tribe is called Manihiki, and the Caucasian tribe is called the Republicans."
~Conan O'Brien

"The good news is gasoline analysts say gas prices should drop to $2 a gallon by Thanksgiving. The bad news? Turkey will be $80 a pound."
~Jay Leno

"New Rule: Someone must tell President Bush where his heart is. [photo shown of President Bush and Laura Bush; she has hand over her heart; he has his hand over his stomach] … Most people don't clutch the wrong organ, but then again, most people don't invade the wrong country."
~Bill Maher

"Picture your family dead. Just for a second. Are you picturing it? Now go vote."
~Jon Stewart, summarizing President Bush's interview with NBC's Matt Lauer

"General Colin Powell shocked a lot of people in Washington by speaking out against President Bush's policies, saying that the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism. That's what I think he said -- it was hard to hear him because he was being hustled out of the room to his cell in Guantanamo Bay."
~Jay Leno

TRH, email these people and tell them how useless you think their work is!

Americans at the United Nations

There are thousands of Americans who work for the UN ÔøΩ over 1,800 in New York City alone. ÔøΩAmericans at the UNÔøΩ is a project dedicated to telling their stories and celebrating the extraordinary work they do quietly each day, in countries all over the world.

The Americans profiled on these pages come from very different backgrounds and work in extremely diverse settings. But whether they are from Los Angeles, St. Louis, or Boston, and whether they work from an office in New York City, a tent in a tiny village in Sri Lanka, or a battleground in the Congo, they are all committed to creating a better world.

TNF part Dos,

"There've been huge protests in the Muslim world over anti-Muslim comments made by the new Pope, Pope Benedict. Today the Pope apologized, saying he never should have gone drinking with Mel Gibson."
~Jay Leno

"This week, President Bush said he has no plans to invade North Korea. Bush said, 'This time, Rumsfeld and I are going to wing it.'."
~Conan O'Brien

"Happy Birthday to Fay Wray, a wonderful actress. She was, of course, in the movie 'King Kong' and would have been 99-years-old today. She was famous because of her love interest with a giant ape, and, wait a minute, that's Maria Shriver."
~David Letterman

"The hot gossip in Washington is that Condoleezza Rice might have a new boyfriend. Secretary of State Rice is being linked to Canada's Foreign Minister, Peter MacKay. It's gotta be awkward dating a fellow diplomat. Like today, MacKay had to promise Condi he would get permission from the U.N. before he invaded her."
~Jay Leno

"Actually, I heard that she was trying to learn the Canadian national anthem. They were alone in a room and she was heard going, 'Oh, Canada. Oh, oh, Canada.'."
~Jay Leno

"The U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill to build a 700-mile fence along the Mexican border. Apparently, the idea is to keep Mexicans from getting back home."
~Conan O'Brien

"There's a lot of tension in the world. Over the weekend, Pope Benedict apologized to the Muslims. Altar boys, on the other hand, are still waiting for their apology."
~David Letterman

"The Pope said those weren't his words. He said he was just quoting a 14th century Byzantine emperor. And today Mel Gibson said, 'Yeah, me too.'."
~Jay Leno

"Robert Novak does not watch the 'Daily Show,' or myself -- not surprising. I keep reading all these articles about how the 'Daily Show' is big amongst 115-year-old vampire demons."
~Jon Stewart

"Why does Robert Novak hate, and why me? It's like I publicly revealed some piece of information he didn't want people to know, and ruined his career. And then, kept asserting it was everybody else's fault, but mine. Well, I don't like this bad blood between us, Robert. If you're watching, and I know you're not, I think it's time we bury the hatchet. We need to get together and talk. We'll meet on neutral ground. You're on Fox. I'm on Comedy Central. How about the Food Network? We can work this out because I know that you're a good person deep down in your thing that they replaced your heart with. I see your redeeming qualities. For example, when you're on television, you let others shine, while you generously absorb all light and oxygen. When you leave an area, it stops raining. And I know that in the past I've referred to you as a douchebag, but that's not an air of grandeur, that's just mean, and sophomoric. And I only said those things to you because I sincerely believe you're a terrible person."
~Jon Stewart

"It's rumored in Washington that Condoleezza Rice has a new boyfriend. Allegedly, he's Canada's Foreign Minister, Peter MacKay. Since he's a diplomat and he visits her at the White House, he has to have a Secret Service code name. Do you know what his Secret Service code name is? 'Captain Kirk.' You know why they call him that? Because he's going where no man has gone before."
~Jay Leno

TRH, yeah and while you're at it, why don't you tell the little munchkins who come knocking at your door on Hallowe'en who are trick or treating for UNICEF to GET LOST because you don't give a shit!.

That'll show the little ones how much you care about other children around the world!

Micki,

More power to them. They have more committment to to their mission than their parent agency does to theirs. Again, if they vote for a resolution, carry it out. If not, why bother?

I just clicked preview. My post (and my browser) locked up. I backed out of Firefox and found that my comment had been posted. WTF? Is this why you get double (and triple) posts on this blog?

TRH, ...just a few recent examples of the work being done under the direction aand auspices of the United Nations Development Program:

Liberia's development depends on public institutions:
25 August - Liberia's new Human Development Report gauges the toll of violent conflict on human development, and advances practical solutions on how the new government can meet its immediate and long-term development needs.

UNDP brings Sri Lankan female legislators to South Africa:
22 August - Sri LankaÔøΩs female parliamentarians have just returned from a UNDP sponsored one week study tour to South Africa. The legislators represented the major political parties and ethnic communities from all regions of the island.

UNDP brings Balkan MPs together for justice workshop:
15 August - Parliamentarians and representatives of the judiciary from the entire Balkan region, have gathered for the first time to explore mechanisms for long-term regional development.

Landmark voter turnout in Congo elections
31 July - Eighty percent of the Democratic Republic of Congo's newly registered 25.7 million voters turned out Sunday for the country's first democratic elections in over 40 years.

Behind the scenes of the DR Congo elections
July 28 - "It is a good day to work for the United Nations Development Programme. Good, because it is not everyday that you can see the results of your work."

#24 Your dismissive, simplistic attitude is astounding. I really think you are better than that. You just like to spout off as a contrarian. Thar he blows!

TNF Part Tres,

"Of course, President Bush is in town, as well. Earlier today at the public library, President Bush and the First Lady gave a speech on literacy. Apparently, she was for it and he was against it."
~Conan O'Brien

"In the West Bank a group calling itself the Lions of Monotheism fire bombed four churches, telling the Associated Press the attacks were carried out to protest the Pope's remarks linking Islam and violence. The irony of the statement, and this is often the case we find, was lost on them."
~Jon Stewart

"Willie Nelson and the boys were on the road, and they stopped them and found a pound and a half of marijuana. bin Laden is still loose, but we got Willie Nelson."
~David Letterman

"Last week at Germany's University of Regensburg, which as you know is a safety school, Pope Benedict gave an address in which he discussed Islam's concept of jihad by quoting 14th century Byzantine emperor Manuel Paleologos II. You know if you're going to make a wholesale generalization, say it in German. It gives it that extra 'oomph.'."
~Jon Stewart

"Muslims all over the world are rioting because they are upset with the Pope. Again, I don't think President Bush understands these issues. Like today, he said, 'These Muslims, why can't they ask themselves what would Jesus do?'."
~Jay Leno

"It's hard to say you're sorry, especially when you're infallible. But by last weekend, Benedict offered these words of apology.... It's a time-honored tradition in the Catholic Church dating back to the Inquisition when Pope Innocent IV said, 'We deeply regret the fact that so many non-believers happen to be flammable'."
~Jon Stewart

"You folks have any trouble with traffic today? It's because of the big opening of the U.N. General Assembly. You know who's here? The president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He's the president who can actually pronounce 'nuclear.'."
~David Letterman

"In his speech, Bush said the United Nations is in danger of losing its credibility. And believe me, when it comes to international affairs, President Bush is an expert on losing credibility."
~Jay Leno

"Did you know that in midterm elections you don't even get to vote for the president
on screen: Unless Using Diebold Machine]. ...
Remember, you Republicans are the party of Jesus
on screen: And Will Be Crucified on 11/7.
It may look like you die, but in 2008, you will rise again just like the Lord
on screen: Lord Voldemort."
~Stephen Colbert

"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is trying to win over the American people. It's sort of a PR campaign. Earlier today, over at the U.N., he was signing baseballs that said, 'I'm sorry I enriched uranium'."
~David Letterman

"President Bush's approval rating has rebounded to 44%. Unfortunately, the other 56% were at the U.N. yesterday."
~Jay Leno

"The president of Iran also spoke at the U.N., and you could tell he was trying to get under Bush's skin, too. Did you notice? When he walked to the podium, he was whistling a Dixie Chicks tune."
~Jay Leno

"It was a quite day for President Bush in New York City. He spoke to the United Nations General Assembly and then he went to the New York public library. It was his sixth visit to the U.N., and his first visit ever to a library."
~Jay Leno

"The president of Venezuela said maybe we need to move the U.N. out of the United States. Afterwards, a confused President Bush said, 'But then it would just be the ited States'."
~Conan O'Brien

"George Bush was in town this week. He was over at the U.N. speaking to the General Assembly. He was supposed to be here anyway for Ventriloquist Week."
~David Letterman

Chavez is outrageously truthful!!!

#28,

Who would have known that, according to Hugo Chavez, you are now George Bush's little helper.

God Save.

TRH, there are different levels of UN resolutions, and I am not an expert, but I do know that some UN resolutions are not binding, but voluntary in terms of compliance. What exactly are you referring to? Are you talking about taking military action against non-compliant governments? What is it?

Gerald,

There are millions and millions of totally apolitical people here in the United States. All they are trying to do is get from one day to the next. Many of them are poor souls, wondering from whence their next meal will come, where they will be able to shelter their children.

You are obviously old and have a lot of time to help these people. I would hope that you also had the financial means.

So, how have you fed God's children today?

How have you clothed their nakedness?

How have you brightened their spirits?

Or is all you do to complain?

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The Twenty-One Foxes

What is great about the computer, I can log onto different websites and focus on some people and their articles. The twenty-one foxes for me are Arianna Huffington, Maureen Dowd, Teresa Whitehurst, Karen Kwiatkowski, Eleanor Clift, Molly Ivins, Cindy Sheehan, Katrina Vanden Heuvel, Sister Joan Chittister, OSB, Naomi Klein, Devvy Kidd, Nora Ephron, Helen Thomas, Linda Schrock Taylor, Karen Horst Cobb, Ann Wright, Judith Moriarty, Linda Milazzo, Kathy Kelly, Ann Jones, and Barbara Ehrenreich. These twenty-one women write exceptional articles.

Here is a brief overview of why these writers are foxes for me.

1. Cindy Sheehan is a mother of a soldier that was killed in Iraq. She wants to know what noble cause killed her son. The chickenhawk, Bush, refuses to answer the question.
2. Eleanor Clift may not write articles like the rest of the women but I enjoy her intelligence in standing up to the bushcos when she appears as a guest on the various talk shows.
3. Molly Ivins is from Texas and she, too, will not take any crap from Bush or his family. Plus, any woman who drinks beer from the bottle is my kind of woman.
4. Arianna Huffington is a Republican but she is an objective person in assessing America’≥ problems. She chooses her country over her party.
5. Karen Kwiatkowski is a retired military colonel with a Ph.D. Her articles are well written and her love for the military is noted but she will not go along with stinking military thinking from the other generals and from that chickenhawk, Bush.
6. Teresa Whitehurst is a Ph.D. clinical psychologist who writes great Christian articles that reveal her discipleship in following Jesus.
7. Maureen Dowd is a columnist with the NYTimes. She, too, writes very good articles that reveal her innate nurturing and sensitivity as a true female. Why this gorgeous woman is not married I do not know.
8. Katrina Vanden Heuvel is also on the list of foxes and she is a valuable member. Katrina writes articles for The Nation magazine.
9. Sister Joan Chittister, OSB, can be read on NCRonline.org. Sister Joan is a bit of a maverick for a Catholic nun but she does convey some interesting thoughts.
10. Naomi Klein writes for The Nation and her writings are also published in the Guardian.
11. Devvy Kidd writes for News with Views website. She has several interesting articles to read. You can also type in her name and you can check the articles.
12. Nora Ephron is a writer whom I have come to read her articles on The Huffington Post website. She is an author and has worked on the Hollywood scene.
13. Linda Schrock Taylor has been added to my list of foxes. I have read her articles on LewRockwell.com.
14. Helen Thomas is another woman added to my list of foxes. How could I have missed her? For years she was the first news reporter to ask a question at presidential press conferences. Since Helen had the opportunity to ask the first question, she tried to be fair and impartial. Today, she is a more critical and an open reporter.
15. Karen Horst Cobb is a freelance writer from New Mexico. She has written two great articles about Christians.
16. Judith Moriarty has been added to my fox list. Judith has written many good articles. You type in Judith Moriarty and a list of her articles will appear for you to read.
17. Ann Wright is a retired Colonel who was in the military for 29 years and served as a U.S. diplomat for 16 years. She resisted the war by resigning in March, 2003. She is writing openly against the war.
18. Linda Milazzo is a L.A. based writer, educator, and activist. She is a member of CodePink Women for Peace and Progressive Democrats of America.
19. Kathy Kelly is co-founder of Voices for Creative Nonviolence. She is based in Chicago, Illinois. She has a master’≥ degree in Religious Education from the Chicago Theological Seminary. Kathy is also the recipient of numerous awards, such as the Pax Christi USA Teacher of Peace Award in 1998.
20. Ann Jones has spent her life traveling the world and speaking up for people, especially women, whose voices are hard to hear. She is the author of the book, Kabul in Winter.
21. Barbara Ehrenreich is a writer and an author who contributes articles to the NYTimes, Harpers, and the Progressive. She lives in Florida.

We can see that the number of foxes has slowly increased.

GOP Senators, White House Agree on Detainee Deal

Details of the agreement are in short supply, but President Bush says he can live with it.
The announcement of a deal came late Thursday, after a series of meetings between Bush administration officials and key lawmakers. National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, who was involved in the discussions, said the new deal is a "framework for compromise."

After the meeting, Sen. McCain said he got what he wanted.

"We're all winners because we've been able to come to agreement through a process of negotiation and consensus," McCain said....

"I'm pleased to say that this agreement preserves the single most potent tool we have in protecting America and foiling terrorist attacks," the president said. "And that is the CIA program to question the world's most dangerous terrorists and to get their secrets."

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Yeah right. The devil is in the details.

The Torture Battle Royal

The public violation of the Geneva convention has created a schism between the president and military

President Bush's torture policy has provoked perhaps the greatest schism between a president and the military in American history. From the outside, this battle royal over his abrogation of the Geneva conventions appears as a shadow war. But since the supreme court's ruling in Hamdan v Rumsfeld in June, deciding that Bush's kangaroo court commissions for detainees "violate both the UCMJ [Uniform Code of Military Justice] and the four Geneva conventions", the struggle has been forced into the open.

On September 6 Bush made his case for torture, offering as validity the interrogation under what he called an "alternative set of procedures" of an al-Qaida operative named Abu Zubaydah. Bush claimed he was a "senior terrorist leader" who "ran a terrorist camp" and had provided accurate information about planned terrorist attacks. In fact, Zubaydah was an al-Qaida travel agent (literally a travel agent), who, under torture, spun wild scenarios of terrorism that proved bogus. Zubaydah, it turns out, is a psychotic with the intelligence of a child. "This guy is insane, certifiable," said Dan Coleman, an FBI agent assigned to the al-Qaida taskforce.

Bush's argument for torture is partly based on the unstated premise that the more sadism, the more intelligence. While he referenced Zubaydah, he did not mention Jamal Ahmed al-Fadl, described by the FBI, according to the New Yorker, as "arguably the US's most valuable informant on al-Qaida", who is wined, dined and housed by the federal witness protection programme.

More HERE

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America the neo-torture nation.

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"We're all winners because we've been able to come to agreement through a process of negotiation and consensus," McCain said....

WOWSER, the GOPhers have been able to come to agreement among themselves? Mark the calendar.

UGH!

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Factchecker,

It won't work, I'm not your new toy. Nine years of undergraduate and graduate work in history makes me erudite. It's simple. I don't go around spouting off about it Oxford Joe.

Seriously dude, you should see a doc. A head doc.

Computer Hacker Group Offers Stealth Internet Surfing

A group calling itself "Hacktivismo" launched a web browser Thursday that promises to protect the privacy of Internet surfers from "hostile governments" or "data thieves." "Torpark," a modified version of the popular Mozilla Firefox browser, enables computer users to travel the Internet in a way that "leaves no tracks behind," Hacktivismo said in a statement.
Hacktivismo's website describes it as an international group of hackers, human rights workers, lawyers and artists that evolved from the renowned Texas-based hacker organization called "Cult of the Dead Cow."

Torpark changes the unique numbers used by websites to identify individual computers online every few minutes to stymie "hostile governments, data thieves" or other trackers, according to Hacktivismo.

For example, someone could go online using a home computer in Ghana and it might appear to websites that they were at a university computer in Germany, according to Hacktivismo.

"We live in a time where acquisition technologies are cherry picking and collating every aspect of our online lives," Hacktivismo founder Oxblood Ruffin said in a statement.

"Torpark continues Hacktivismo's commitment to expanding privacy rights on the Internet. And the best thing is it's free. No one should have to pay for basic human rights, especially the right of privacy."

Torpark also hides computer users' identities from companies providing the Internet services, according to its creators.

More HERE

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How long do you think this will go on before the "total information control" freaks come up with a way to stop them?

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#21 Micki

Excellent my friend. Stand up all for the U.N.

TRH wrote "Do away with this worthless body of raw sewage."

Before he wrote

"I will never say the U.N. has not accomplished some good."

Which one is it TRH, I don't like to "swift boat" people but your posts are reminiscent of the "Kerry" counter-campaign, remember the wind surfing ad (I'm sure you enjoyed it). You can't have it both ways. You cannot call the U.N. a "worthless body of raw sewage" and then try to spin “I will never say the U.N. has not accomplished some good". Maybe if your posts were not so hateful and reactionary you might get a decent point across.

TRH wrote "Seems more and more nowadays, the U.N. is nothing more than a political body rather than a governing body of nations whose effort is to prevent worldwide conflict."

TRH: You a Conservative are ragging the U.N. for not being a "governing body"? Do you want the U.N. to govern our great nation? That does not sound very conservative to me? It is not the U.N.’s job to prevent anything; The U.N. does not elect leaders of nations, that’s the people’s job. Don’t blame the U.N. for presidents who start wars for no good god dam reason that would be our fault. I think you should read about the creation of labor unions in this country, it may give you some perspective on why the U.N. is necessary while being irrelevant at the same time. Necessary for nations that need representation, irrelevant for nations that don't. But if you believe in liberty (that great liberal trait), I think you will find that we all need representation.

I wonder who attacks the site with bullshit spam? Cornnuts or trolls? I think we all know the answer, David, get some control of this site soon, or it will end up a spam-fest. If you need some technology I can steer you in the right direction.

Capt, Can you help Corn out?

Amazing,

What's amazing is that anybody would rant about the rights of anyone, anywhere, to express their views on the "Leader of the Free World" especially in light of where it is that such a "leader" has brought us.

The United Nations General Assembly is hardly "Murkun" soil. It is the one and only place on the planet where any member nation can plead its case against the "superpowers" who seek to dominate coersively, financially and, failing that, militarily.

Methinks TRH doth protest too much, finally feeling the sting of having his votes turned back upon his hallowed conservative values by the very people he thought were "the best men to lead this country forward."

What they've done is set back the credibility AND the progression of TRUE conservatism, by decades.

The pendulum swings much further back when pushed so far to the right...watch your head!

-T

#25 Pande

Yes, it's something like that. Thanks for the Thursday nite funnies. I'm going to chuckle all the way to sleepytime.

Uncledad,

I am always doing all that I can.

capt

That said, went to see Nickel Creek tonight at the PEACE Center.

While Nickel Creek was splendid in so many different ways, I was taken by the opening act, the MAMMALS.

They introduced a song called "Follow me to Carthage" about the folly of "Peace" only acheivable through endless war.

Must do some studying on "Carthagenia Peace".

-T

Damn Pande! The funnies were really good tonight. Ever notice that comedy gets ever so much better just prior to elections? There's so much grist to grind.

#51 Hajji wrote:

"The pendulum swings much further back when pushed so far to the right...watch your head!"

Wow, can I quote you on that. Excellent statement. I feel a song coming on. It hurts when you get hit in the head by your own ignorance. It hurts from within! Right on Hajji.

"I just clicked preview. My post (and my browser) locked up. I backed out of Firefox and found that my comment had been posted. WTF?"

The blog has issues with passing the temp file back to the server - errors.

When I get an error posting or preview I make sure I copy the text from the comment box, then "back button" to the blog, refresh and usually the post will be posted. Once in a while the post will not show - I post it again and there is it twice. *sigh*

capt

Factchecker,

Shit Mofo. You're just plain weird. Stop attacking for the sake of ferocity and go read something. Or perhaps that uptight ass of yours could enjoy the Thursday nite funnies?

Micki,

Good for you in your defense of the U.N. How you are able to do it this late at night is admirable.

UD...

I'm heavily under the influence of Chris Theile tonight...

Guy plays a mando like nobody else... He sets you up with traditional licks....

The de-constructs everything you ever thought was traditional.

Force of nature already...he had Sam Bush as a mentor by the time he turned 16.

Really sick...and Sara and Sean Watkins aren't slouches either...all that and from SanDiego, no less!

-T

From Wiki...

Carthaginian Peace refers to a peace brought about through the total destruction of the enemy.

How very...something...

G'nite!

#36 Micki

I did hear on Olbermann tonight that the opposition to secret, concealed evidence was waysided. That is, it can be revealed to the defendant and his/her lawyers but it will be kept from public knowledge. That's all though. The details are extrememly sketchy.

As you said, I don't trust this "agreement" one iota. The whole thing was staged anyway. It got the political discussion off subject--the occupation and the economy (debt).

Did anyone read David Broder's column today? I heard on Olbermann it was a humdinger! I'll post the link here tomorrow. As "the dean of Washington political writers", Broder absolutely slams Bush.

Hey Hajji:

Ever hear of a band called cornmeal. They have compared to Nickel creek, well around here anyway, excellent modern bluegrass band from northwest Indiana, I call their style speedgrass, no drug connotations intended, just tempo. Buy their new CD “Feet First” if you like traditional bluegrass; you’ll like “Feet First” even more.

You can read it (AGREEMENT UPON COMMON ARTICLE 3) : HERE

A pdf but only 5 pages so should be okay on a dial up.

capt

Capt,

Corn has to figure out a way to let the trolls argue with us, while banning thier spam, can it be done?

#46 Capt

A millisecond.

Did anyone see the news story tonight about a town in England, something like Middlesborough, which has placed cameras and speakers all about town? They have a central command post manned by the police. Anything untoward, at anytime of the day is caught on camera with someone watching at all hours. The police utilize the speakers to get the townsfolk to behave. "Mam, please throw that plastic bottle in the rubbish bin." "Thank-you."

They're polite. That's to soften the blow and, of course, is quite British. Can anyone spell Big Brother?

I'm not kidding.

Senators Snatch Defeat From Jaws of Victory: U.S. to be First Nation to Authorize Violations of Geneva

I hope that that headline is a gross exaggeration, but based on a few quick seconds purusing the "compromise," I'm afraid it's not. [The Administration appears to agree. Stephen Hadley was crowing to reporters within minutes that the bill would authorize the CIA "program" to "go forward." And a "senior administration official" -- apparently Dan Bartlett -- told the Washington Post "that Bush essentially got what he asked for in a different formulation that allows both sides to maintain their concerns were addressed. 'We kind of take the scenic route, but we get there,' the official said."] [NOTE: I will be updating this post as we learn more, and if I have any time to parse the language more closely. I would dearly love if my initial impression -- and Hadley's -- is proven to be dead wrong. So I sincerely invite folks from the Senate staffs and elsewhere to write in with comments and corrections. The fine and careful folks over at Human Rights First are painting it as a significant victory for McCain, going so far as to argue that "the language in today's agreement makes clear that alternative interrogation procedures such as stress positions, induced hypothermia and waterboarding are not only prohibited by the treaty, they are war crimes." I would really like this to be true. But, as of now, at least, I don't quite see it. And, what's far more important, obviously the Administration doesn't see it that way, either. Am I missing something obvious? Which provisions of the new WCA, exactly, would prohibit stress positions and induced hypothermia -- not to mention sleep deprivation and threats?]

[P.S. Thanks to Bobby Chesney for the clean link.]

More HERE

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Some commentary on the issue - this is where I got the pdf (The "compromise" link above).

My take is there will be a signing statement quietly and secretly signed that allows Bush to do as he pleases. It is the way of the tyrant, eh?

capt

Carey,

Yes I have seen that. Orwell is a Cheshire cat smile fading into laughter.

capt

From the Left Coaster:

some lowlights of the compromise:

the U.S. will hereafter violate the Geneva Conventions by engaging in Cold Cell, Long Time Standing, etc., and that there will be very little pretense about it. In addition to the elimination of habeas rights in section 6, the bill would delegate to the President the authority to interpret "the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions" "for the United States."

it would preclude courts altogether from ever interpreting the Geneva Conventions -- any part of them -- by providing that "no person may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto in any habeas or civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States, is a party as a source of rights, in any court of the United States or its States or territories."

If this is enacted, the only hope would be the prospect of the Supreme Court holding that both the habeas cut-off, and the "no person may invoke Geneva" provision, are unconstitutional.

I'm too angry to write anything coherent without a string of expletives.

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Me too.

capt

Carey wrote: "They're polite. That's to soften the blow and, of course, is quite British. Can anyone spell Big Brother?: I'm not kidding"

The real joke would be if they were not spying on them, but somehow convinced them they were.

Did anyone read David Broder's column today? I heard on Olbermann it was a humdinger! I'll post the link here tomorrow. As "the dean of Washington political writers", Broder absolutely slams Bush.

I've seen him write stuff more favorable to repugs also. His latest was in the h-town paper and it did get on bush some, but it had some b/s in it too. What he's calling the emergence of an independent party out of the middle of both sides, to me is just the real repugs turning their backs on the neocons.
Here's a small portion of it...

Now, however, you can see the independence party forming —†on both sides of the aisle. They are mobilizing to resist not only Bush but the extremist elements in American society —†the vituperative, foul-mouthed bloggers on the left, and the doctrinaire religious extremists on the right who would convert their faith into a whipping post for their opponents.

'Decent respect' of public opinion is taking center stage

It's been hours since we’ve heard from TRH. I wonder what he's reading? Chomsky?

Once again I am struck with the thought that these guys seem positive they will not be handing the power over to anybody but one of their own.

There is no way they would empower Bush just to cede that power to another party.

Not in a million years. Not for the "war on terror" (read Iraqi occupation) and not for all of the money on the planet. (they already have most of it)

capt

Fish, barrel, drain the barrel

Torture provides Bush false evidence for monstrous lies

It's almost too easy to write something castigating President Bush and Vice President Cheney for their unprecedented joint trip to Capitol Hill last week to, in the words of the Washington Post's editorial headline, "lobby for torture." They were unsuccessful last week, but the fight is far from over, and once November 7 is safely past, cleaving Republican votes from the line of a now-toxic White House will get a little harder.

But still, it's too easy. Sort of like fish in a barrel. Except no gun: the appropriate analogy here is draining the barrel of all its water and watching the fish flop around for a while, for the fun of it. Maybe pour a little more water into the draining barrel, just to prolong the agony. Maybe they'll tell you something you want to hear.

That, not accurate intelligence -- which common sense and intelligence professionals agree is almost never produced by torture –≠ is the whole point of the Bush push for the right to torture. It helps destroy what's left of America's moral standing in the world, sure, and granted, it exposes U.S. soldiers captured by enemies to far greater risk. It brutalizes both tortured and torturer. And it's morally despicable. But it allows Bush and his cronies to lie credibly. And that's the point.

More HERE

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Bumper sticker (I made it up)

Torture is NOT an American Value

capt