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September 22, 2006

HUBRIS Meets Bloggingheads....And Why This Site Went Dark

As goes Virginia, so goes this website. I'm not talking about the Virginia Senate race between George Allen, who recently discovered his mom was Jewish, and Jim Webb, the one-time Reaganite-and-novelist-turned Democrat. (By the way, did you know that "macaca" is a Yiddish word for someone who doesn't know where he or she come from?) No, I'm talking about the server for this website. It's based, as I learned today, in Virginia. Thus, a power blackout in that state took this site down for several hours earlier today. Apologies for any inconveniences. For me, it was a good excuse to ignore the blog for a while, do some reporting and catch up on several days of newspapers that had piled up.

But let me point you to the latest installment of Bloggingheads.tv--probably the most eagerly anticipated edition of that pundit-versus-pundit reality show. Byron York of the National Review and I go at it over Hubris and the CIA leak case. It was a rather testy exchange. So if you don't have a taste for testiness, don't click here. Though the hour-long exchange is now all a blur to me--and I don't want to live through it again--I do recall that York did his best to diminish the anti-Wilson actions (including the leaking of classified information) by Karl Rove and Scooter Libby. He dutifully brought up the Rovians various lines: the leak was no big deal; Rove didn't say all that much to Matt Cooper of Time; it was really me who revealed that Valerie Wilson was a clandestine CIA officer; the White House was justified in its efforts to discredit Joe Wilson, and so on. See for yourself whether he was convincing.

Meanwhile, the Hubris express rolls on. Look for Michael Isikoff and me on the Charlie Rose Show on Tuesday.

Posted by David Corn at September 22, 2006 08:54 PM

Comments

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Good to see you are back up and running.

Posted by: TRH at September 22, 2006 09:56 PM

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Mr. David Corn,

Will check out both. I am sure facts need no support and am glad you are there telling it like it is.


Thanks for all of your work!

Kirk

Posted by: capt at September 22, 2006 10:06 PM

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Mr. David Corn,

Will check out both. I am sure facts need no support and am glad you are there telling it like it is.


Thanks for all of your work!

Kirk

Posted by: capt at September 22, 2006 10:07 PM

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Mr. David Corn,

Will check out both. I am glad you are there telling it like it is.


Thanks for all of your work!

Kirk

Posted by: capt at September 22, 2006 10:08 PM

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Mr. David Corn,

Will check out both. I am glad you are there telling it like it is.


Thanks for all of your work!


Kirk

Posted by: capt at September 22, 2006 10:15 PM

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Iraq is BushÕs Reflection Pond

Martial law is not liberation. Baghdad has been in a state of virtual lockdown since thousands of American Occupation Forces (AOF) were deployed to the city in a futile attempt to establish security. In the last two months, the number of dead appearing at the Baghdad morgue has skyrocketed; nearly 6,600 Iraqis brutally tortured and killed in July and August alone. In terms of population, this is the equivalent of 79,200 American casualties. Simply put, it is a massacre. Still, the AOF continues to execute its bloody mission with impunity regardless of the horrific cost.

Occupation is not freedom; it is servitude enforced at gunpoint. By every objective standard, life was better under Saddam Hussein. The people had reliable sources of electricity, clean water, food and medical supplies. Employment was high, crime was low, schools were open, markets were bustling and the socialist regime provided education and health services to the destitute.

Iraq was a dictatorship, but it was far superior in every way to the holocaust unleashed by the American invasion. In view of the ongoing devastation of infrastructure, the callous disregard for human life, and the absolute absence of personal security; SaddamÕs Iraq must now seem like Nirvana.

Every part of the American occupation has failed. The only project which has succeeded has been the propaganda campaign which continues to frame the conflict as "the central battle in the war on terror". This is a lie. Even high-ranking government officials have admitted that foreign fighters (terrorists) comprise a very small segment of the total resistance. The vast majority have joined the struggle to end the American occupation and restore Iraqi national sovereignty. 70% of the daily attacks in Iraq are on occupation forces. However dismal the fighting between the ethnic and religious groups may seem, it is secondary to the viciousness of the occupation.

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Failed, failure, miserable failure. All apply.

capt

Posted by: capt at September 22, 2006 10:18 PM

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charlie rose huh? please ask him what he puts in his coffee if you would - i wish my coffee was as effective as his!

corn ask wolf why sheep are chicken about bush on rose

Posted by: fatty was had! at September 22, 2006 10:23 PM

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What a cruel thing is war: to separate and destroy families and friends, and mar the purest joys and happiness God has granted us in this world; to fill our hearts with hatred instead of love for our neighbors, and to devastate the fair face of this beautiful world: Robert E. Lee, in a letter to his wife, 1864

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I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends: Abraham Lincoln

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Peace is more important than all justice; and peace was not made for the sake of justice, but justice for the sake of peace: Martin Luther (1483-1546)

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The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions: Robert Lynd (1879-1949), Anglo-Irish essayist, journalist

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Thanks ICH Newsletter!

Posted by: capt at September 22, 2006 10:28 PM

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The Presidential Three-Year-Old

Is it just me, or was that the worst presidential press conference in history? So I went back and read it over. Of course, in print you don't get the testy tone: I heard it on radio and thought the man was about to blow up -- not just because he was being questioned, which Bush appears to consider an offensive action in the first place, but because people continue to refuse to see things the way he does. How can they be so stupid or malign, he appears to wonder.

I ask: How can he be so repetitive, repeatedly using the oldest tactic of a verbal bully -- saying the same thing louder, as though that would make it true?

Last Friday's Rose Garden press conference seemed so awful I thought it worth wading through it again to see what set him off. Maybe if you saw it on television, it seemed better. Perhaps his banter with reporters works better on TV. But I left with the impression that this is a spoiled man whose frustration level when someone disagrees with him is that of a 3-year-old and that he's the last person you want to see operating under a lot of stress because he doesn't handle it well. See what you think:

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Bumper Sticker (h/t Pat)

IF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH, A YELLOW RIBBON WON'T MAKE UP FOR IT

capt

Posted by: capt at September 22, 2006 10:56 PM

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Mr. David Corn,

On diavlog:

Nobody talked to Rove or Libby? Both are not willing to talk to the press or journalists so Byron is trying to make a difference without distinction.

Clearly Byron is as belief based as Bush and the other true believers. They have their spin and believe their twisted take.

What a load of crud this Byron guy is - and completely dishonest intellectually.

Discrediting Joe Wilson is not a bad act, questionable ethics but outing his wife was a bad act criminally as well as ethically.

The "conspiracy theory" quit being such as soon as the DOJ FBI and special prosecutor decided to investigate. Then it became an "official" investigation.

Byron forgets Joe Wilson was an ambassador?

When all Byron was able to say was "right, right" his condescension was a complete surrender to the facts. These duck/double speakers use that defense so later the can say "I said right, right?" What a weasel.

These guy really believe that it is necessary to strike back - no matter who or what. "They attacked the attacker" they really believe that anything goes if you speak out against this WH your wife is fair game. Period.

We cannot forget, they would have attacked WilsonÕ³ wife with any dirt they could find. No regard for how she makes a living.

Byron wants to split the truth 50/50 to call it objectivity. Talk about principled?

You would do better to engage someone with a better grasp of the facts, maybe even someone that has actually read the book.

capt

Posted by: capt at September 23, 2006 12:08 AM

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Bush Shields Dad on Chile Terrorism

Chilean investigators say the Bush administration is undercutting their case against former dictator Augusto Pinochet for his alleged role in the terrorist assassination of a political rival on the streets of Washington three decades ago, a crime that then-CIA Director George H.W. Bush appears to have tolerated and then helped cover-up.

Now, George W. Bush has picked up the mantle from his father for protecting the 90-year-old Pinochet from ever facing justice for the murder of former Chilean Foreign Minister Orlando Letelier and an American co-worker, Ronni Moffitt, who were killed by a car bomb on Sept. 21, 1976, as Letelier drove down Massachusetts Avenue.

Six years ago, near the end of the Clinton administration, an FBI team reviewed new evidence that had become available in the case and recommended the indictment of Pinochet. But the final decision was left to the incoming Bush administration, which has failed to act while also withholding relevant documents from Chilean investigators.

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"failed to act while also withholding relevant documents"

Well at least Bush is consistent. Failing to act as high art, eh?

capt

Posted by: capt at September 23, 2006 12:11 AM

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on 9/11 the 110 story 1/4 mile tall twin towers disintegrated from the top down in 10 seconds and roughly 14 seconds respectively after being subjected to minimal fires that for the most part had almost burned out entirely. what many people don't know is that a 3rd tower, 47 story wtc7 also collapsed that day . wtc7 collapsed from the bottom into its own footprint in a classic controlled demolition manner in exactly 7 seconds a full 5 hours after the twin towers disintegrated.

wtc leaseholder larry silverstein comments on this event:
""I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.""

pull it? surely if they pulled the building (wtc7) they would've had to have explosives pre-planted in wtc7. and if they had explosives pre-planted in wtc7 why should we accept their claim that wtc1&2 disintegrated entirely in 10 seconds and roughly 14 seconds respectively after suffering minimal fires for only 56 minutes and 90 minutes respectively?

silverstein's spokesman comments on silverstein's comment:
Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.

so according to silverstein's spokesman the term "pull it" refers not to the demolition of the building itself but to the safe withdrawal of the firefighters in wtc7.
so. according to www.debunking911.com , a site which purports to "debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories" (whatever that means),: ""there is no doubt "Pull" means pull the fireman out.""

okay some people might actually buy that - however, in the second paragraph of the same page (debunking911.com) the author claims that, "Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above the them."
So if the Building was subject to "unfought fires" which were the sole cause of its collapse how could there have been any firemen to "pull" out of the building?

To repeat Silverstein's spokesman, "The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires."

Popular Mechanics, which is cited by the Debunking 9/11 website in its links section, also quotes NIST in saying "There was no firefighting in WTC 7."

Which is it to be? Firemen or no firemen? Pull or nothing to pull?

so to reiterate: wtc7 collapsed in a classic controlled demo manner in only 7 seconds and wtc leaseholder larry silverstein said and i quote: "maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse

how could they pull the building unless there were pre-planted explosives all ready to go? and since they pulled wtc7 why shouldn't we assume that they pulled wtc1&2 as well? that would certainly explain why the wtc1&2 disintegrated entirely in 10 seconds and 14 seconds respectively. if that were indeed the case someone would be in a lot of trouble. as it stands now, the muslims whom we were told are responsible for the demise of wtc1&2&7 are the ones who are in a lot of trouble.

Posted by: fatty was had! at September 23, 2006 12:54 AM

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and speaking of muslims being in a lot of trouble;

800,000 Iraqi children not attending school

Once the model of education in the Middle East, twelve years of grueling sanctions and three years of bloody occupation have left IraqÕs system in shambles, a generation of children both traumatised and, it seems, deprived of education.

Posted by: fatty was had! at September 23, 2006 01:10 AM

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Former UK Intelligence Agent Kevin Fulton blows the whistle on how he and others were used by the British government to carry out false flag terror attacks that were blamed on the IRA.

article with link to audio

Posted by: fatty was had! at September 23, 2006 01:24 AM

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Conservative websites claim Rove has been promising GOP insiders an 'October surprise'

of course when there is an october surprise the democrats will just accept that it is merely a coincidence that rove has assured us of one - right democrats?
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Time for Another Edition of...

Fake Opposition Democrats!

In which, yet again, the people who are supposed to keep the Republicans in check don't do much at all, really.

Now, watch this drive!

Posted by: fatty was had! at September 23, 2006 01:33 AM

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Congressman brags about stealing election

On the House floor


As if there weren't enough about Maryland's undecided Democratic primary to shake our faith in the system. According to Howie Klein, progressive Donna Edwards sent an email to supporters detailing a disturbing conversation that took place on the House floor.

Remember: Edwards' attempt to unseat good ol' boy incumbent Al Wynn includes a nasty primary fraught with violence and voting problems courtesy of Diebold. But here's the conversation in question:

BARTON: Down in Texas, we had a Democratic primary about 50 years ago that Lyndon Johnson won by 54 votes. And he got the nickname "Landslide Lyndon." We have Mr. Wynn next. He had a little bit of a tussle last week, but he did win. And so, I want to recognize "Landslide Wynn" for any opening statement that he wishes...

WYNN: Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. In fact, they're still counting, but we're quite optimistic. And I did take a couple pages out of Lyndon's book, so if I win, it can be attributed to Texas know-how.

(LAUGHTER)

(UNKNOWN): Did you (inaudible)?

BARTON: I hope not. I hope you win fair and square.

(LAUGHTER)

WYNN: A win is a win.

Klein notes, quite correctly, that this is: "something a Federal Prosecutor ought to be examining." (DownWithTyranny)

More HERE

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Is that "in your face" enough to chap your hide?

capt

Posted by: capt at September 23, 2006 02:23 AM

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THE HUNGRY BEAR, Part 1

Promises that can't be kept


At the third annual meeting known as the Valdai Club, a meeting between President Vladimir Putin of Russia and Russia-watchers made up largely of Western political scientists and academics and held this year on September 9, Putin acknowledged Russia's great and mounting global energy leverage, but he also delivered an ostensibly reassuring promise that Russia would not use its rapidly intensifying and expanding global energy leverage to dominate others like "a superpower" would.

The Valdai Club has become a choice forum for Putin to attempt to allay Western fears over Russia's increasingly assertive and independent course and to polish Russia's image abroad. As such, one must realize that at a forum that is obviously slanted toward achievement of such political and public relations goals, the statements and claims made are specifically designed to accomplish the forum's purpose, and one must apply the appropriate subjectivity filters when analyzing them.

The hard fact is that a series of powerful arguments and irrefutable evidence exist to render completely hollow Putin's promise to "play nice" with mounting Russian global energy leverage. Even if Putin's promise is truly sincere and heartfelt, trends and forces not nearly under his control will soon dictate an outcome precisely opposite of his soothing promise, rendering it completely empty. How so? And what are the powerful arguments and irrefutable evidence that establish beyond any doubt the accuracy of such a conclusion?


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The first of a five part series. AT-online does the "series" thing well.

capt

Posted by: capt at September 23, 2006 02:25 AM

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Fox News Sunday, Interview With President Bill Clinton, 9/22/06 (Rough Transcript)


(Last question)

WALLACE: Do you think the White House and the Republicans want to make the American people afraid.

CLINTON: Of course they do. They want another homeland security bill and they want to make it not about Iraq but some other security issue. Where if we disagree with them we are by definition endangering the security of the country. And it's a big load of huey. We've got 9 Iraq war veterans running for House Seats. President Reagan's Secretary of the Navy is the democratic candidate for Senate in Virginia. A three star admiral who was on my NSC staff who also fought terror by the way is running for the seat of Kurt Weldon's in Pennsylvania. We've got a huge military presence in this campaign and you can't let them have some rhetorical device that puts us in a box that we don't belong in. That's their job. Their job is to beat us. But our job is to not let them get away with it and if we don't we'll be fine.

WALLACE: Mr. President thank you for one of the more unusual interviews.


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This is a do not miss interview.

Love him or hate him Bill is interesting and a bit provocative for the first time in a long time.

I dislike all politicians but I dislike Bill less than most. The man can talk.

You do not want to miss the beginning of the piece.

capt

Posted by: capt at September 23, 2006 06:30 AM

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France looks into bin Laden death report

PARIS -- The French defense ministry on Saturday called for an internal investigation of the leak of an intelligence document that raises the possibility that Osama bin Laden may have died of typhoid in Pakistan a month ago but said the report of the death remained unverified.

"The information defused this morning by the l'Est Republicain newspaper concerning the possible death of Osama bin Laden cannot be confirmed," a Defense Ministry statement said.

The daily newspaper for the Lorraine region in eastern France printed what it described as a confidential document from the French foreign intelligence service DGSE citing an uncorroborated report from Saudi secret services that the leader of the al-Qaida terror network had died.

The contents of the document, dated Sept. 21, or Thursday, were not confirmed by French or other intelligence sources. However, the DGSE transmitted the note to President Jacques Chirac and other officials, the newspaper said.

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Feels like October is coming early this year.

capt

Posted by: capt at September 23, 2006 08:26 AM

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Pakistani officials doubt Osama death report

Pakistan has received no information from any foreign government that would corroborate a French newspaper report on Saturday that al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden died of typhoid in Pakistan, a senior government official said.

"No government has shared any such information with us so far, which is the normal thing to do under such circumstances," the official, who has close knowledge of intelligence matters, said on condition of anonymity.

A senior official in Pakistan's Interior Ministry also said: "We have no information about Osama's death."

The daily L'Est Republicain reported that, according to a French secret service report, Saudi Arabia was convinced that bin Laden died of typhoid in Pakistan in late August.

High-ranking diplomats in the Pakistani capital also doubted the French regional newspaper's report.

The French government has said it could not confirm the report and would investigate the intelligence leak.

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I bet the Pakistanis doubt the reports. The French will investigate the leak. Sounds familiar.

capt

Posted by: capt at September 23, 2006 08:31 AM

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Clinton blasts Bush for inaction on bin Laden

Former US President Bill Clinton has angrily defending his efforts to capture Osama bin Laden and accused the Bush administration of doing far less to stop the al-Qaeda leader before the September 11 attacks.

In a heated interview to be aired tomorrow on Fox News Sunday, the former Democratic president defended the steps he took after al-Qaeda's attack on the USS Cole in 2000 and faulted "right-wingers" for their criticism of his efforts to capture Osama bin Laden.

"But at least I tried. That's the difference in me and some, including all of the right-wingers who are attacking me now," Clinton said when asked whether he had failed to fully anticipate bin Laden's danger. "They had eight months to try, they did not try. I tried. So I tried and failed."

The September 11 attacks occurred almost eight months after President George W Bush succeeded Clinton in January 2001.


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Too bad the ABC fake-umentary did not bother with the facts. Sooner or later the truth comes out.

Clinton tried, Bush denied.

capt

Posted by: capt at September 23, 2006 08:36 AM

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9-11 AND THE SMOKING GUN

Part 2: A real smoking gun


If the 9-11 Commission is really looking for a smoking gun, it should look no further than at Lieutenant-General Mahmoud Ahmad, the director of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) at the time.

In early October 2001, Indian intelligence learned that Mahmoud had ordered flamboyant Saeed Sheikh - the convicted mastermind of the kidnapping and killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl - to wire US$100,000 from Dubai to one of hijacker Mohamed Atta's two bank accounts in Florida.

A juicy direct connection was also established between Mahmoud and Republican Congressman Porter Gross and Democratic Senator Bob Graham. They were all in Washington together discussing Osama bin Laden over breakfast when the attacks of September 11, 2001, happened.

Mahmoud's involvement in September 11 might be dismissed as only Indian propaganda. But Indian intelligence swears by it, and the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has confirmed the whole story: Indian intelligence even supplied Saeed's cellular-phone numbers. Nobody has bothered to check what really happened. The 9-11 Commission should pose very specific questions about it to FBI director Robert Mueller when he testifies this month.


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Just more crazy talk from the conspiracy theorists.

capt

Posted by: capt at September 23, 2006 08:47 AM

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capt, I thought there was a death announcement for OBL in an Eqyptian newspaper back in Dec. 2001? Maybe they had the wrong guy? That's why they have to use all those obvious fakes. Can't let such an effective boogeyman bite the dust.

Posted by: Saladin at September 23, 2006 10:50 AM

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There is still something seriously wrong with your site David.

Posted by: Saladin at September 23, 2006 10:51 AM

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Baltimore Chronicle
LOST HISTORY REVISITED:
The Bushes & the Truth About Iran
by ROBERT PARRY

Secret Republican & CIA contacts with Iran's Islamic regime more than a quarter century ago are relevant today because an underlying theme in the current President Bush's rationale for war is that direct negotiations with Iran are pointless. But Bush's own father may know otherwise.Having gone through the diplomatic motions with Iran, George W. Bush is shifting toward a military option that carries severe risks for American soldiers in Iraq as well as for long-term U.S. interests around the world. Yet, despite this looming crisis, the Bush Family continues to withhold key historical facts about U.S.-Iranian relations.

Those historical facts Рrelating to Republican contacts with Iran's Islamic regime more than a quarter century ago Рare relevant today because an underlying theme in Bush's rationale for war is that direct negotiations with Iran are pointless. But Bush's own father may know otherwise.

The evidence is now persuasive that George H.W. Bush participated in negotiations with Iran's radical regime in 1980, behind President Jimmy Carter's back, with the goal of arranging for 52 American hostages to be released after Bush and Ronald Reagan were sworn in as Vice President and President, respectively.

In exchange, the Republicans agreed to let Iran obtain U.S.-manufactured military supplies through Israel. The Iranians kept their word, releasing the hostages immediately upon Reagan's swearing-in on Jan. 20, 1981.

Over the next few years, the Republican-Israel-Iran weapons pipeline operated mostly in secret, only exploding into public view with the Iran-Contra scandal in late 1986. Even then, the Reagan-Bush team was able to limit congressional and other investigations, keeping the full history, and the 1980 chapter, hidden from the American people.

Upon taking office on Jan. 20, 2001, George W. Bush walled up the history even more by issuing an executive order blocking the scheduled declassification of records from the Reagan-Bush years. After 9/11, the younger George Bush added more bricks to the wall by giving Presidents, Vice Presidents and their heirs power over releasing documents.
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I read about this some time ago. There seems to be no end to the bush corruption family. And they will keep classified anything they want for as long as they want.

Posted by: Saladin at September 23, 2006 11:00 AM

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Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal has purchased 5.46 percent of the Fox corporation, according to Gulf Daily News.

who is the islamofascist now?

Posted by: fatty was had! at September 23, 2006 11:34 AM

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#25 Saladin

Yes, yes. I believe it was Wayne Madsen, not sure, (maybe Frank Rich) who reminded me of all of the dirty little tricks the Reagan/Bush Sr. team did to defeat Jimmy Carter. Rove isn't the only cad around. There was Lee Atwater. And, of course, William Casey (was that his name?) despicable head of the CIA.

I was heavily involved with Iran-Contra. Watched all of the hearings etc. It was a nasty little piece of pie. Bush Sr. is no innocent. He just looks better because of the radicalism of his son.

Guess who else was up to his neck in the mess. Rumsfeld, but you all knew that already. Cheney was secretary of defense just after that under Bush Sr. You all knew that. This tale of Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia is so unbelievably sordid, it makes one shake from fear and anger.

Then came the Christmas Eve pardons--in 1991 I believe, not sure again. I was on a Princess cruise to Mexico taking my Dad on his final trip before Alzheimers completely took over. I'll never forget how Bush Sr. ruined that Christmas. Like father, like son. The pardons will be upon us soon.

I predict, after reading Frank Rich's thesis that Bush went into Iraq to maintain his "war presidency" after 9/11 to win the 2002 midterm elections, that we'll attack Iran before the elections.

Posted by: Carey at September 23, 2006 11:42 AM

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#13 James

That's such ashame about the Iraq schools.

#10 Capt

First of all, you've posted some very interesting items after this one. But one at a time. On your reaction to the video of Bloggingheads, I still am waiting for people's responses to Wayne Madsen's post of 9/17,18. In it he claims that Valerie Plame was taken down (outed) for reasons other than revenge on her husband. She was getting very close to discovering Cheney and others' involvement in the arms race and WMD proliferation. Further, as I think I mentioned Thursday, Madsen has cited Fitzgerald's misbehavior in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing trial by covering up Bin Laden's involvement since he was still on the CIA payroll. (Fitzgerald was obviously trying to protect his boss and others also.) Gonzalez threatened to go public on this and subsequently Fitzgerald backed off on Rove issuing only a sealed indictment. This is not to take away from Hubris mind you. The book is seminal in understanding "the fraudulent selling of the war" as David C. puts it, and the lies it entailed. The Plame case is a side issue.

Before I go any further, (boy as we approach the elections, things just pop out of the woodwork don't they?) there's this news item.

Abbas: Govt. Agreement Back to 'Zero'

Efforts to form a Palestinian government acceptable to the West have gone "back to zero", Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Saturday, a day after Hamas said a coalition government that recognizes Israel is unacceptable.

The Hamas-Fatah coalition deal sidestepped recognition of Israel. Instead, it said the government would seek to establish a Palestinian state alongside Israel, who implies recognition....

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On Olbermann last night, he also had an interview with Bill Clinton. Yes, Capt, he's quite an interesting fellow. He sure can think, Rhodes scholar that he is. When asked hypothetically what he would advise Bush to do to resurrect a failed government he replied above all he would counsel Bush to go back to the table on Israel/Palestine issues and seek a statehood for the Palestinians. Yea!!

He said, and I've felt this way ever since 9/11, that if you solve this, you've gone 3/4's of the way to solving the terrorism problem. Of course that sidesteps the Iraq occupation debacle and the soon to be Iran fiasco.

Olbermann mentioned the Foz/Wallace interview and congratulated Clinton on it. Apparently Wallace tried to boondockle Clinton. I'll definitely watch it.

Posted by: Carey at September 23, 2006 12:20 PM

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THE 9/11 REPORT a graphic adaptation! (comic book)

the official version

the real version!

ha ha! f**k off 9/11 commission!

Posted by: fatty was had! at September 23, 2006 12:27 PM

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Re: #18

In addition, watch for Clinton's claim that in 1998 "no one even heard of Al Qeda".

Chris Wallace shows him factually how this claim is clearly a lie - another example of the bright, shining beacon of the American Liberal left!

Posted by: denmac at September 23, 2006 12:27 PM

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On yesterday's disastrous "agreement" and the politically deft staging of the whole thing, this is short and to the point. It's also downright scary.

The GOP's Enactment of a Drama

Posted by: Carey at September 23, 2006 12:28 PM

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To Jeanne, Capt, James and all,

I've been such a twirp! So stupidly optimistic about Democrat's diligent campaigning. Over the last week my mood has fallen. This is another very good, short piece out of the War Room in Salon. I find the War Room an excellent place to park just prior to an election.

Battling Democrat's Indifference

When the Dems said nothing about the torture issue I was crestfallen. Jesus.

Posted by: Carey at September 23, 2006 12:39 PM

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Dear Terrorists,

I am a Navy Aviator.I was born and raised in a small town in New England. I come from a family of five. I was raised in a middle class home and taught my values by my mother and father.

My dad worked a series of jobs in finance and my mom took care of us kids. We were not an overly religious family but attended church most Sundays. It was a nice small Episcopal Church.

I have a brother and sister and I am the youngest in my family.

I was the first in many generations to attend college.

I have flown Naval aircraft for 16 years. For me the flying was never a lifelong dream or a "calling," it just happened. I needed a job and I liked the challenge. I continue to do it today because I feel it is important to give back to a nation which has given so much to me. I do it because, although I will never be rich, my family will be comfortable. I do it because many of my friends have left for the airlines and someone has to do it.

My government has spent millions to train me to fly these multi-million dollar aircraft.

I make about 70,000 dollars a year and after 20 years will be offered a pension.

I like baseball but think the players make too much money.

I am in awe of firemen and policemen and what they do each day for my community, and like teachers, they just don't get paid enough.

I respect my elders and always use sir or ma'am when addressing a stranger.

I'm not sure about kids these days, but I think that's normal for every generation.

I tell you all this because when I come for you, I want you to know me. I won't be hiding behind a woman or a child. I won't be disguised or pretending to be something I am not. I will be in a U.S. issue flight suit. I will be wearing standard US issue flight gear, and I will be flying a navy aircraft clearly marked as a US warplane.

I wish we could meet up close in a small room where I could wrap my hands around your throat and slowly squeeze the life out of you, but unfortunately, you're hiding in a hole in the ground, so we will have to do this a different way.

I want you to know also that I am very good at what I do. I can put a 2,000 lb weapon through a window from 10,000 feet up. I generally only fly at night, so you may want to start sleeping during the day. I am not eager to die for my country, but I am willing to sacrifice my life to protect it from animals like you.

I will do everything in my power to ensure no civilians are hurt as I take aim at you.

My countrymen are a forgiving bunch.

Many are already forgetting what you did on Sept 11th.

But I will not forget!!

I am coming.

I hope you know me a little bit better,

see you soon...

sleep tight.

Signed

A U.S. Navy Pilot

Posted by: factchecker at September 23, 2006 12:43 PM

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#22 Capt

This is so interesting. I wrote on Thursday about a key witness in a British bomb plot trial who refused to testify any further because he claimed that Pakistani intelligence, ISI, had threatened his family back in Pakistan. It was hoped that finally suspicions about ISI's involvement in terrorist camps would come to light Their suspected involvement was related to Kashmir.

As we delve further and further into Pakistan's involvement in a whole bunch of things, Bush's claim that we won't invade a sovereign country (bulls**t!) doesn't wash. This is soiled beyond belief.


I have been dying to post this ballot. Russ Feingold has a "Progressive Patriots Fund" which intends to give funds to the Senate challenger receiving the most votes. I voted for Harold Ford Jr. I'm rather keen on him, but he has an extrememly tough fight. Ned Lamont looks good too.

VOTE HERE

HURRY. VOTING ENDS MONDAY.

Posted by: Carey at September 23, 2006 01:03 PM

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Carey, don't feel bad, I gave up on the dems for the most part quite awhile ago.
"The FBI, after 15 minutes of tireless investigation..."
That was FUNNY fatty!

Posted by: Saladin at September 23, 2006 01:06 PM

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Dear Terrorists,
I am a Navy Aviator

I am in awe of firemen and policemen and what they do each day for my community

"[T]here was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."--Firefighter Richard Banaciski
"I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?"--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

"[I]t was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."--Paramedic Daniel Rivera

I want you to know also that I am very good at what I do. I can put a 2,000 lb weapon through a window from 10,000 feet up

(and yet somehow i just can't seem to help killing innocent civilian bystanders!)

Many are already forgetting what you did on Sept 11th.

(when 4 allegedly highjacked boeings were allowed by us to fly around unhindered for several hours before being deliberately crashed into 3 landmark buildings!)

Signed

A U.S. Navy Pilot

Posted by: fatty was had! at September 23, 2006 01:12 PM

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Thousands Of 9/11 Victims' Family Members Believe 9/11 Was An Inside Job

Alex Jones: Founded in September of 2001, the World Trade Center United Family Group is a nonprofit 501c3, and you were its founder and head and you say you represent over 7,000 people. What is the average view of those that you represent about 9/11 and the cover-up?

Bill Doyle: What they want is... If you want to believe the 9/11 Commission's story -- like a lot of us don't, ok? You really gotta go look in the... It almost looks like there was a conspiracy about 9/11 -- if you really look at all the facts. A lot of families now feel the same way.

Alex Jones: With your 7,000 members, I'm sure you've talked to most if not all of them. What percentage would you say believe 9/11 is an inside job to some extent?

Bill Doyle: Maybe half... Probably 50/50.

Posted by: fatty was had! at September 23, 2006 01:40 PM

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a tangled history

But the Bush with-us-or-against-us approach to the world leaves little room to construct a coherent policy. It is impossible for individuals, much less states, to maintain such a rigid either-or morality over the long haul. The neoconservative vision of an America that would have the ability to project its power and bring swift and deep changes to the Middle East is a miserable failure. It is too late to expect any significant turnabout in this administration. The hope is that people across the political spectrum are beginning to understand the dimensions of the failure and the need for change.

Don't expect much hope for change with Nazi Americans!

Posted by: Gerald at September 23, 2006 01:58 PM

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The Bush administration has put itself in a position where it must either increase its hold on power or hire lawyers to negotiate plea bargains when they are charged for their many crimes against the laws and Constitution of the United States and international law.

It is becoming clearer and clearer which route they have chosen.

George Bush is less than five weeks away from launching an attack on Iran. A navy "strike force," including the aircraft carrier Eisenhower, has been ordered to make way toward Iran with an arrival date of October 23. A senior intelligence official says that the Joint Chiefs of Staff consider an attack on Iran to be inevitable and have moved forward on contingency planning to deal with the worst case scenarios resulting from such an action.

Just as was the case with Iraq, the decision to go to war has already been made even though the administration claimis that it's continuing to look for diplomatic solutions.

Repeat: October 23 is less than 5 weeks away.

Posted by: fatty was had! at September 23, 2006 02:04 PM

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Where are you when we need you

Let's put it this way: The world in which we're living with its scramble for big oil, its rising sense of nationalism in a globalized world, its tendencies to economic imperialism, its capacity for global terrorism as well as Neanderthal militarism and its rising sense of anti-Americanism is at a very sensitive period in human history.

Posted by: Gerald at September 23, 2006 02:05 PM

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We have all sinned in the name of religion.

Posted by: Gerald at September 23, 2006 02:09 PM

Posted by: Gerald at September 23, 2006 02:16 PM

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James,

Yikes. (Iran) Well, we knew it was coming.

Posted by: Carey at September 23, 2006 02:16 PM

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Everyone,

Despite our disappointment with Dems, still vote Dem Nov.7. Don't let the letdown or the coming war in Iran get you down.

I've got to go tend to my sick little boy.

Posted by: Carey at September 23, 2006 02:20 PM

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Bumper Sticker, (h/t Pat)

OF COURSE IT HURTS. YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT


OUCH!


capt

Posted by: capt at September 23, 2006 02:32 PM

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Just posted without an error?

How about you?

capt

Posted by: capt at September 23, 2006 02:32 PM

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Macaco

So much ignorance has been reported about this. It's an "hispanic" word, meaning the equivalent of dumb, cruddy, jerk, etc.

I despise loathe and have absolute contempt for folk that are Politically Correct. The strong,healthy, young, white male, whom Allen called a macaco was not harmed in any way by Allen calling him dumb.

Folk that think that one is harmed by words are lucky. Nothing bad has ever happened to them.

No one ever is harmed or victimized by words. Nothing happened. If Allen had kicked him in the balls, something would have happened. But Allen calling him "dumb" NOTHING HAPPENED.

Posted by: Jan Rogozinski at September 23, 2006 06:01 PM

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Next time you "debate" Byron York you should ask him if he'll "take turns" talking?

Posted by: jlc at September 23, 2006 11:43 PM

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Learning to take turns is a good idea! David had a hard time allowing York to finish a sentence.

Posted by: kathleen at September 24, 2006 09:30 PM

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Wonder why corn folks did not move backwards instead of waiting to move on? This is a lonely place.

Posted by: kathleen at September 24, 2006 09:32 PM

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# 20 Capt. Doing their best to bring us their "
October Surprise" in September.

Posted by: kathleen at September 24, 2006 09:37 PM

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