Great post. Thanks David.

Do you know if there is video on the web of your weekend TV appearences? I'll have a look about.

Mr. David Corn,

Great balls of fire! Will these lying slugs ever visit reality?

Seems like their disconnect from reality is permanent. Has anybody thought to check them for mad cow disease?

Thanks for all of your work

Kirk

What did Cheney tell Russert? Saddam, he insisted, "had a relationship with al Qaeda." When Russert pointed out that the intelligence committee "said that there was no relationship," Cheney interrupted and commented, "I haven't had a chance to read it."
Perhaps he should beforehe talks about 9/11 and Iraq again.
Posted by David Corn at September 11, 2006 08:51 AM

Cheney reads one thing at a time and he's in the middle of reading "W"'s copy of my pet goat.

Best wishes to all who lost friends, family and fellow citizens in the 9/11 attack and the wars that follow. May god bless Sharon and her family.

It is naive of you to imagine that Cheney will ever acknowledge and/or delve into evidence that conflicts with his ideology. He is right and everyone else is at the very least mistaken. He is convinced that he firmly grasps reality and his detractors are deluded.

Cheney is by far the most evil and malicious man to serve in high public office in the USA. He has not a single democratic bone or sinew in his body. He is a royalist all the way so long as he picks and chooses who is in the royalty. Having stolen gobs of money from the American public and not been punished for it, he now believes that he is above the law as is his puppet, Bushbaby.

Robert Scheer: Gaping Holes in the 9/11 Narrative

Five years out from the attacks, why do we still know so little about what really happened that day?

What we still don't know about 9/11 could kill us. By "we" I mean the public that has been kept in the dark for five years by a president who may know the truth but has chosen to ignore it. Instead of grappling with the thorny origins of that disaster, George Bush willfully turned the nation's attention and resources to a totally unrelated and disastrous imperial adventure in Iraq. Just how unrelated was definitively established last Friday with the belated release of the Senate Intelligence Committee's second report, which concluded that there not only was zero connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, but that Iraq was the one country in the region where Osama bin Laden could not operate.

Unfortunately, that was not true of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, the two countries that had recognized and otherwise supported the Taliban government that hosted bin Laden during the run-up to 9/11. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and yet there has been no serious investigation of the extended Royal family's roll in the recruitment of Bin Laden's "soldiers" and the ease with which they secured legal visas to enter the United States.

While funds for Al Qaeda emanated from the Saudi kingdom, the essential logistical support for Al Qaeda came from Pakistan. Now, five years later, Bin Laden and the remnants of his organization are assumed by the United States to have found refuge in Pakistan's unruly tribal region, where the Pakistan government recently has reduced its forces, conceding that it could not defeat local tribesmen sympathetic to the Taliban.

More HERE

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There should be an investigation. The truth should have been told years ago. I should be getting the truth (HUBRIS: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War) delivered today. I cannot wait.

capt

Thank you, David. Cheney has to keep up the lies to protect himself. He and Bush have serious legal problems. The point that's missed about this whole WMD bit is twofold: A weapon that would be launched from Iraq and be able to hit the US or England would HAVE to be an ICBM (Intercontinetal Ballistic Missile) with a conventional or nuclear warhead. It would have to have First Strike Capability. There would have to the weapon, a silo and a control room. In order for there to evidence of WMDs in Iraq, there would have be weapons. The word evidence is used incorrectly. Hints, suppositions and other guesses are not evidence. There was NO evidence of WMDs or WMD production in Iraq before the war on Iraq. Bless us and may we be kept safe from our own government. Maude

Cheney, 9/11 and the Truth about Iraq

how about the truth about 9/11 for once?

this wtc2 is less than 1/2 of it's original height: poof!
where did the rest of it go?
10 seconds to poof
it was a poof down!

Kal,

Sad but true.

These slugs cannot "come clean" they would melt like the wicked witch from Oz in a hot-tub.

capt

now poof this!
"hey it's 1300 degrees (hot enough to poof steel?) in here but my hair isn't even singed!"

Talk about paranoid delusion! Didn't bush recently admit saddam had nothing to do with 9/11? What is WRONG with these people?? Carol from the previous thread. I don't know how much of the commentary you have read over the past few weeks but Alan's comments have been progressively insulting and sarcastic. He resorts to demeaning and rude insults because we disagree with him on 9/11. I have not engaged in the same tactics, it only detracts from the debate. I have seen his arguments many times over, so to accuse me of refusing to see what he is bringing is inaccurate, I simply think he is dead wrong. Now he his making medical evaluations about people he has never met by claiming they are paranoid delusionists. When I apply that judgement to my husband, an engineering geologist with a very scientific mind, I can only laugh. This frist trick of giving a medical diagnosis of people never spoken to is the lowest blow yet. You may not know anyone who believes the govt. is lying about 9/11 but I know plenty and polls indicate that fully half the people in this country don't believe it either, maybe you need to get out more. I've even begun to see bumper stickers in my little red neck town saying 9/11 was an inside job, that is shocking. As I said, it isn't a prediction, it is happening. The latest MSNBC poll has the true believers at 30%. We are no longer the fringe. And the tide is turning against those despots. I am not pissed, I am HAPPY!

I can't even stand reading Cheney's quotes.

David, I can't wait to read your book. I am sooooo glad this has come out before the elections. And I am so glad it came out at a time when Bush and Cheney are out in public trying to defend their crackpot logic.

Did anyone see the interview President Bush gave to Matt Lauer on the Today Show? The audio was screwed by the close proximity of Bush and Lauer, which left Bush sounding a lot like Darth Vader. The audio, connected with Bush's haggard appearance, was less than complimentary to the White House. In the interview Bush looks like a dangerous old pedophile being interviewed from behind bars.

Politics as drivers of action is negligible it is just a symptom of our problems. The coming problems will dewarf those egos ( not a small result) but it won't be solved by those egos, neither will it be solved, it will run it's course. The economy is not under control of politics they can neither make it boom nor collapse it, the coming global warming catastrophe is much closer than anyone realizes, and it won't be slowed by the politicians, they are just a distraction to the masses, keeping everyone's eyes focused on the circus instead of the fire consuming the tent. Yep, with global warming we are watching the release of massive quantities of methane and the show hasn't even started yet. Four years from now and our carbon readings in the atmosphere are going to be astronomical, what will it mean to humans? HOT!! So get your walking shoes ready if you can, if not then kiss your burnt ass good by, but it will benefit the planet the raping of this earth will cease and it will begin to recover. No there is not a magic bullet to fix this, enegies are moving that take decades to generate and are self reinforcing, so what to do? To hell with shrub and the rest of these guys, it won't matter a dimes' worth in a couple of years, keep your eyes open for a great event around the elections. MOre terror for the masses. But be afraid and give up your last freedoms and lliberty, that way your chances of survival go to zero. So with that in mind, enjoy your new lifestyle you are going to have to be pretty quick to make it out of this one. Good luck!!

Joe Conason: White House Guilt in CIA Leak Case Remains

The revelation the Richard Armitage first disclosed Valerie Wilson's identity as a covert CIA operative doesn't change the fact that it was Karl Rove and Scooter Libby who used that information in an attempt to punish Ms. Wilson for her husband's criticism of the Bush administration.

In this instance, Armitage says he was merely "gossiping" with Novak, who seems to have been primed to question him about the Wilson affair. But both Rove and Libby sought to undermine Joe Wilson's credibility and perhaps to victimize him and his wife by revealing her identity to two reporters. Rove gave that information to Time reporter Matt Cooper, who got confirmation from Libby. And Libby provided the same poisonous tip to New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

Almost from the beginning of his investigation, Fitzgerald has known about the blabby Armitage, who promptly came clean to his boss. But Fitzgerald understood that the Armitage confession was of limited relevance. It didn't discourage the special counsel from conducting a thorough probe that uncovered the secretive effort, emanating from Vice President Dick Cheney's office, to discredit Joe Wilson and use his wife's two decades of dangerous devotion to her country as a weapon against him. Indeed, the only reason Armitage knew about Valerie Wilson was that he had read a negative dossier on Joe Wilson prepared at Libby's behest.

Corn, the Washington editor of The Nation, has responded on his blog to pundits who now exonerate the White House. "Rove's leak (to Robert Novak and Matt Cooper) and Libby's leak (to Judith Miller and Cooper) were part of a campaign to discredit former ambassador Joseph Wilson," he wrote. "That's no conspiracy theory. The available evidence proves this point."

In an article published in The Nation on Sept. 5, Corn says the available evidence also proves that Valerie Wilson was not only a genuine CIA undercover officer, but that she was in charge of operations seeking proof of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Specifically, she ran the Joint Task Force on Iraq, part of the CIA's Counterproliferation Division. She worked overseas using a "nonofficial cover." By disclosing her identity, the Bush officials ruined her career and endangered the sources she had used in the president's service. "HUBRIS: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War
" also suggests strongly that her alleged role in dispatching her husband to Niger has been exaggerated.

More HERE

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I would not want anybody to miss this one.

capt

Monday, September 11, 2006 CHENEY GIVES THE CLEAREST EXAMPLE OF THE DEFINITION OF CHUTZPAH YET!
In his interview yesterday with Tim Russert on the NBC News Meet the Press show, Vice-President Dick Cheney gave one of the clearest examples of the definition of classic Chutzpah yet. He told his audience that if the US had not removed Saddam Hussein then he, Saddam, would be sitting on top of a big pile of cash because he would have $65 and $70 oil.[1] Que??!!
Is not the reason oil is at $65 and $70 now because of the turmoil that exists in the Middle East as a direct result of removing Saddam Hussein in the first place?
Now that's what you call Chutzpah!
But, of course, the Chutzpah doesn't end there. There is a certain irony in the fact that as a direct result of ousting Saddam Hussein the only people that are sitting on top of big piles of cash are the big US-owned oil companies and the oil industries service providers like, well, Cheney's old company Haliburton.
One of the values that "they" hate "us" for is hypocrisy.
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Hypocrisy?? No Way!

Democracy Now, Monday, September 11th, 2006

EXCLUSIVE...9/11 Debate: Loose Change Filmmakers vs. Popular Mechanics Editors of "Debunking 9/11 Myths"

MORE HERE

I am linking this site in memory of Michael Richards who died in World Trade Center. He had created a scupture for the Franconia Scupture Park in Franconia MN.

Michael Richards

For the Artist Michael Richards by Glenn Gordon

I hope you read the peace by Glenn Gordon. I saw this piece last Friday as I toured the park. It is so heartbreaking to know what we have lost.

Isn't it funny that I kept writing peace when I meant piece. PEACE...

I would like to remind people here that Cheney, Rummy, and Wolfowitz (among others) are/were also heavily involved with "defense" companies. Going to war meant trying out all the new toys they've been developing since the last gulf war. It also meant the US gov would use our tax dollars to pay for these toys and any other expenses. They stood to gain a whole lot from this. The sick thing is, they wanted us to believe we were getting something out of it, too. "Oh, you're scared shitless, are you? Well, we'll get these fancy weapons that melt flesh off and radioactive bullets that slice through the thickest armor to protect you." And somehow it worked. Was this a fair trade? We give you fear and the hope of protection from this (irrational) fear, and you give us a bunch of money and entrust us to keep the bad guys we made up away from you.

They don't believe me when I tell them this is the worst administration in American history. No length of time will make them look heroic in hindsight. The blunders, the lies, the violence, the manipulation, the lack of planning and responsibility, the blatant disregard for human life all culminate to be the shame of this country and its people. If we are to win the respect of the world again, we need to show these folks the door - and a few of them prison cells!

#20
Oh so you're saying it was a protection Racket

A protection racket is an extortion scheme whereby a powerful organization, most often a criminal organization or gang, coerces individuals or businesses to pay protection money which allegedly serves to purchase the organization's "protection" services against various external threats, whereas usually the actual threat comes from the organization itself. Those who do not buy into the protection plan are often targeted by the organization and are harassed to try to force payment of the protection money.
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That's about right.

Interesting Democracy Now today

EXCLUSIVE...9/11 Debate: Loose Change Filmmakers vs. Popular Mechanics Editors of "Debunking 9/11 Myths"

When Russert pointed out that the intelligence committee "said that there was no relationship," Cheney interrupted and commented, "I haven't had a chance to read it."

I can't tell you how much that arrogant quote infuriates me as it should infuriate every decent American. Cheney is a scoundrel of the worst sort. How can this man be trusted in any position of power? He is helping to make decisions that will affect our country for the next century, and he can't be bothered to read such an important report? What a piece of shit.

oh the final effin poof!
(26 sec. wmv. - 5 min. loading for dial-up)

Is there a requirement that politicians stayed informed of important findings? If not there should be, but if he wants to isolate himself in his undisclosed locations, why not try gitmo for a few years.

You may not know anyone who believes the govt. is lying about 9/11 but I know plenty and polls indicate that fully half the people in this country don't believe it either, maybe you need to get out more.

Carol did not say that, Saladin! She said she did not know anyone who thinks it is an "inside" job. She didn't say anything about the government lying or not lying. They can lie, but that does not necessarily mean it was an "inside" job.

You think you're not insulting? Well, from where I sit and IMO, you are. Telling Carol to "get out" more is very insulting and demeaning. (I could find innumerable examples of your insulting behavior if I were so inclined, predominately your insulting behavior towards Jews, of which I am one.) And PUH-LEEZE, do not harangue me for jumping to Carol's defense. She strikes me as full of moxie.

While difficult for Americans to accept, I believe many more have come to realize Bush-Cheney's Iraq invasion was a concocted international power play marketed to a vulnerable citizenry--led to believe that Iraqis were involved in the 911 atrocities. Did Bush-Cheney set us straight in this misunderstanding? Like master to dog, they led us down their fixed path of neocon fantasy.

Their fast track war on Iraq, to me, was obvious. Surely they displayed great motivation in turning their sights on Iraq. What a fiasco! Decades of geopolitical therapy and consequences to come--long after George and Dick are gone from this earth.

I think their actions are less political hubris than political crimes of agenda worthy of impeachment within the US Senate in November. With lies on his side, Cheney's only recourse is to repeat them.

Cheney is the assh*** behind this whole war. Bush is a puppet pea brain with no mind of his own. Cheney is just downright evil. Put him in the same catagory as Bin Laden, all they both want to do is kill.

speaking of sculptures - in the public square located in front of wtc7 there was an iron sculpture known as the calder -
unfortunately for the poor calder it melted and sagged into an unexplained little heap.
it must have been the energy from the incredible hatred of 19 evil muslims that caused that.
right poofter?

I haven't had a chance to read it -

Of course, as Vice pResident, the only official job he has is as President of the Senate, and this was a Senate publication. What's he doing to earn his salary............?

Bush in jeopardy? Yes. The issue is torture, which George W. Bush authorized in a memorandum of February 7, 2002, in contravention both of the Geneva Accords and 18 US Code 2441, the War Crimes Act approved by a Republican-led Congress in 1996. That law incorporates the Geneva provisions into the federal criminal code. Heeding the advice of Vice President Dick Cheney's counsel, David Addington, then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, and Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee, the president officially opened the door to torture in that February 7, 2002, memorandum. His remarks yesterday reflect the determination of Cheney and Bush to keep that door open and accuse those who would close it of being soft on terrorists.

The administration released that damning memorandum in the spring of 2004 after the photos of torture at Abu Ghraib were published. It provided the basis for talking points showing that the president wanted "humane" treatment for captured al-Qaeda and Taliban individuals. And - surprise, surprise - mainstream journalists like those of the New York Times swallowed the bait, clinging safely to the talking points, and missed altogether Bush's remarkable claim that "military necessity" trumps humane treatment. That assertion over the president's signature provided the gaping loophole through which Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and then-CIA Director George Tenet drove the Mack Truck of officially sanctioned torture.

Using the arguments adduced by the Addington/Gonzales/Bybee team, Bush's February 7, 2002, memo made the point that the bedrock provision of Geneva - common Article 3 - does not apply to al-Qaida or Taliban detainees, but that the US would "continue to treat detainees humanely and, the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity, in a manner consistent with the principles of Geneva." (Emphasis added.)

Sounding very much like Mafia lawyers, the president's legal troika felt it necessary to warn him that playing fast and loose with the US War Crimes Act (Section 2441) could conceivably come back to haunt him. The bizarre passage that follows is the best they could offer in terms of reassurance:

"is difficult to predict the motives of prosecutors and independent counsels who may in the future decide to pursue unwarranted charges based on Section 2441. Your determination would create a reasonable basis in law that Section 2441 does not apply, which would provide a solid defense to any future prosecution."

While the imaginative lawyering of Addington (now Cheney's chief of staff), Gonzales (now Attorney General), and Bybee (now a federal judge) may have qualified for a presidential "heck-of-a-job" at the time, Bush is learning the hard way that, while sycophants are fun to have around, they can do a president in. Between the lines of Bush's rhetoric yesterday lies belated acknowledgement that his decision to condone the torture of al-Qaeda and Taliban captives is now back to haunt him - big time. - Ray McGovern

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So, in other words, whichever side of the debate today on Demcracy Now! seems more persuasive to you, Loose Change or Popular Mechanics, there is more than enough evidence to charge this group of thugs with crimes against humanity.

Check out c-Span Now. Push for a New 9-11 Investagation. Talking about the film 9-11 Press for Truth

9/11 Remembrance: Ysidro Hidalgo-Tejada

With the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attack here, I wondered what I would write to honor those who lost their lives in the worst foreign attack on the homeland in almost two centuries. Plenty of stories have already been told about the victims and the heroes, and I wondered what I could add.

Not long ago, I received an invitation from the 2,996 Tribute Project. The organizers want bloggers to remember each one of the dead from that terrible day, and in order to ensure that no one gets forgotten, they assigned a victim to each blogger. The project assigned me Ysidro Hidalgo-Tejada, a food-service worker in the World Trade Center.

I tried doing some research on Ysidro. The messages at the website indicate that he had a family that loved him, a family that the Dominican Republic immigrant supported by working at the Windows On The World restaurant at the top of the North Tower. We have heard something about the situation that the people in the restaurant faced in their final minutes. The restaurant manager called several times to emergency workers, trying to get some assistance and eventually realizing that it would not come. The smoke and fumes were choking those trapped in the restaurant even before the tower fell, but they did their best to hold up until the very end.

We do not know how Ysidro spent those last desperate minutes. We do know that all three stairwells were severed by American Airlines Flight 11. Did he try to make his way out? Or did he die like he lived, helping others and supporting them even after hope ran out? In the end, we have no information on which to judge, just like I could find no information on the life Ysidro lived before the attack that killed him.

It's hard to do justice to Ysidro. I never knew him, his family, or even have an inkling of his life; all I have is his death, and not even enough of that to distinguish him from the other 2,996 victims of the attack. But in a way, Ysidro serves as an example of the people who died that day. All Ysidro did was work hard and support his family, serving the diners who made their way to the highest restaurant in the world in one of the greatest cities ever built. Everyone who died that day just wanted to help people and make life a little better for themselves and those around them.

Ysidro came to the United States because of the promise of freedom and the ability to make his own way in the world. He died because terrorists fear and hate that about America and the West. Ysidro stood for something they could not abide: the ability to make his own decisions and live life his own way. Ysidro deserves to be remembered far more than the lunatics who took his life and all the others.

Godspeed, Ysidro. I'm sorry we didn't get the chance to know you better. The terrorists stole that opportunity from us.

UPDATE: I found a brief portrait of Ysidro's life at the New York Times:

Ysidro Hidalgo-Tejada had a gentle touch that he applied to making dinner for his huge extended family, planting flowers, or taking care of his 90-year-old diabetic mother when he visited his native Dominican Republic.

Mr. Hidalgo-Tejada, who was 50, worked in food preparation at Windows on the World. Even though he worked around food all day, he would often go home and prepare something special for his wife and three daughters, said his eldest child, Anyela Hidalgo, 18.

"I miss him every day," Ms. Hidalgo said softly. "I'm not going to have my dad with me anymore. My little sisters, they don't want to talk about him much. One of the last things we did together was to go to the Statue of Liberty. We had to wait in line for a long time but my dad said it was worth it."

In his down time, Mr. Hidalgo-Tejada enjoyed playing dominos and watching the Discovery Channel. His family kept him busy, too; he had 10 siblings and more than two dozen nieces and nephews.

A gentle man, whose life was snuffed out by vicious and bloodthirsty terrorists. They could never hope to have Ysidro's value as a human being.

Ed Morissey
Captain's Quarters

full of moxie! good one. i can think of someone else who is totally full of moxie!

mushroom cloud poof off!

there is a terrorist behind every bush!

behind every terrorist there is a bush!

Worried CIA Officers Buy Legal Insurance
Plans Fund Defense In Anti-Terror Cases
By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, September 11, 2006; Page A01

CIA counterterrorism officers have signed up in growing numbers for a government-reimbursed, private insurance plan that would pay their civil judgments and legal expenses if they are sued or charged with criminal wrongdoing, according to current and former intelligence officials and others with knowledge of the program.

The new enrollments reflect heightened anxiety at the CIA that officers may be vulnerable to accusations they were involved in abuse, torture, human rights violations and other misconduct, including wrongdoing related to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. They worry that they will not have Justice Department representation in court or congressional inquiries, the officials said.

The anxieties stem partly from public controversy about a system of secret CIA prisons in which detainees were subjected to harsh interrogation methods, including temperature extremes and simulated drowning. The White House contends the methods were legal, but some CIA officers have worried privately that they may have violated international law or domestic criminal statutes.

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If they didn't do anything wrong they shouldn't have anything to worry about, no?

After all, if you aren't a terrorist you shouldn't worry about warrantless intercepts, nevermind the history of political spying by the FBI/CIA/DIA....

9/11 is today's JFK

The government was in on 9/11

From Ohio University:

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

From a tipster, comes this unscientific MSNBC poll on 9/11 conspiracy threories: (picture at link)

Whatever the truth of 9/11, from active involvement to passive agreements to bungling to good ol' fashioned complexity and bureaucracy, one thing's for sure: the opacity of this administration is making more and more Americans distrust those who represent them. As we lose faith and a common reality we lose the mechanism of America that enables us to seek the life we want.

Which sucks.

More HERE

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Big time.

capt

GOP continues bogus connection between 9/11 and Iraq

Republican Senator: Iraq insurgents "same enemy" who attacked on 9/11

Despite the release Friday of a Senate Intelligence Committee report showing that the Bush administration knowingly misled the nation about links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda -- in fact, the report shows that Hussein considered Al Qaeda a direct threat to his regime -- Senate Republicans on Friday showed their regret by continuing the misleading rhetoric.

Speaking in the Senate Friday morning, Senator Kit Bond (R-MO) used a floor speech ostensibly commemorating the five-year anniversary of the September 11 attacks to once again mislead and distort by linking those responsible for 9/11 with insurgents faced by U.S. troops in the Bush administration's war of choice in Iraq.

"On September 11, 2001, the American people learned there exists a group of killers, fueled by a twisted version of Islam, who want to destroy America," said Bond. "Today, we continue to fight the same group of killers not on an airplane over America but in a country in their own neighborhood, Iraq, and elsewhere in the Middle East and around the world."

"It is the same enemy, the same determination, the same goal," he continued. "But today we are fighting the radical Islamists on their own turf because we have a President who knows if America doesn't fight back, another September 11 is inevitable."

Bond then went on to trot out the same tired, old cut-and-run theme, suggesting that Senate Democrats who believe we need to leave Iraq and begin a real offensive against Al Qaeda are weak.

More HERE

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These politicians have bought into their own lies.

capt

I don't know how much of the commentary you have read over the past few weeks but Alan's comments have been progressively insulting and sarcastic.

Watch her Carol, she's off the meds and predicting crazy things again. haha

She won't admit that I answered 'in kind' to smartazz posts by her and her delusional sidekick James. Like yesterday, nothing at all was directed to her and she popped in with another delusional post of predictions and a pissy comment to me. She had already been put in the same position as James in my book, so it doesn't matter personally to me what she says... but I do enjoy pointing out how silly her posts are. It's a chronic condition and it's covered a myriad of topics relating to 9/11. Things like "own footprints", "steel rushed off to Asia", "destroyed flight controller tapes", and many others... None are correct and she can't fathom that, and definitely won't admit that I proved her wrong. Not unlike the bushbots, just keep repeating it and hope it'll come true. That's delusional. Maybe she'll get help... and hopefully she'll tuck James under her arm and get him some help too.

lol

The 9/11 Enigma, Revisited

Why do many Americans doubt the official narrative?

[..]

Bin Laden? 9/11? Forget it, buster that was just a pretext, a catalyzing event that allowed a well-organized network with a preexisting agenda to move quickly and with determination to implement its plan. The recently issued "phase two" of the Senate Intelligence Committee report –†see here shows how this administration bent the facts and twisted the intelligence to lie us into war. It turns out the CIA warned the administration that there were no links to al-Qaeda, which we knew already, but the really devastating part of the report is the section dealing with the role of Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress.

That the INC was simultaneously an Iranian intelligence asset and an American client, and that we knew this and still sponsored Chalabi & Co., tells us all we need to know about this administration and its Bizarro World mindset. As the report notes, on March 3, 1995, "Chalabi made contact with Iranian intelligence officials to discuss Iran's positive support on the planned action [a coup against Saddam] and their support for possible action against Southern Iraq." He did so with American approval: our guy "was present outside the meeting space, was seen by the Iranians, and was aware that Chalabi intended for the Iranians to see him there as a signal of U.S. support."

Yesterday, we worked in tandem with the Iranians to overthrow Saddam Hussein, with our agent standing literally outside the door as Chalabi chatted with his Iranian handlers, and today we are ringing the alarm bells over the supposedly dire threat posed by Tehran. Our State Department routinely refers to Iran as the world's number-one exporter of terrorism, and yet here we have solid evidence of an American-INC-Iranian axis of convenience. We pride ourselves on never negotiating with purported terrorists, and yet we are apparently not above allying with them. If this is supposed to be some sort of Machiavellian deviousness, then it seems the Americans outwitted themselves: they are fighting a monster of their own creation.

More HERE

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Just a prefix.

capt

David,
When might we see you and Cheney side by side on MTP? (Not a chance, I know.)

I am halfway through the new book. The folks at B&N had to go into the back room last friday and cut open a box to get the first copy to me. It is excellent.

He is helping to make decisions that will affect our country for the next century, and he can't be bothered to read such an important report? What a piece of shit.
Posted by: Don at September 11, 2006 11:21 AM

Oh, he READ it. He read it before it was released. HE IS LYING. You won't see him on MTP until after the elections.

here is wtc2 less than 1/2 it's original size: poof! where did the rest of it go? in order to have pancaking, a force is required to trigger the failure of the next floor. if the building above that floor has been pulverized, there can be no force pushing down. any pulverized material remaining over the footprint of the building will be suspended in the air and can't contribute to a downward force slamming onto the next floor.
only 10 seconds to poof
the poof! is in the pudding.
alan is a poofer wack!

26, rehashing the anti-semite thing? Whatever. I will rephrase my statement, I know plenty of people who think 9/11 was an inside job and that the govt. is lying their ass off about it. 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other. By getting out more I meant widen her contacts in the area of 9/11 debate, maybe even go to a local 9/11 truth meeting where she can hear other opinions and express her own, it was not meant to be insulting or demeaning. Of course someone who thinks criticism of the Israeli govt. is anti-Jewish would take offense at just about anything. And please, show me where I have ever made an insulting comment about Jewish people. I have only criticized the extremist Zionist movement, both the Jewish and Fundamental Christian versions, both of which are racist and cruel. I can distinguish between the average Christion and Jew and these extremists, I also have several friends that are Jewish, one I work for, who agree with me 100% on the subject of Zionism and the grief it has caused the Jewish people. Robert, the neocons have lied about every single aspect of 9/11. They said they never would guess in a million years that anyone would use planes as missles to crash into buildings, even though that exact scenario in the form of military drills was happening at the exact same time as the actual hijackings, and in the exact same locations. No wonder the airforce and NORAD were confused. I guess the pentagon forgot to tell them about the drills. Maybe that's why cheney issued the mystery order that stood while Flight 77 was heading straight for them, the only question is, what WAS that order? It obviously wasn't to shoot the plane down even though it was still 50 miles out and was a known hijacking. So many lies, so few explanations. I would love to see a transcript of bush and cheney's testimony to the 9/11 commission, whoops, we never will, they wouldn't testify under oath, seperately, or allow any recording whatsoever. The honest and transparent behavior of someone telling the truth. Sure, I believe them, who wouldn't? Only people in the grip of paranod delusion would ever think to doubt the word of people who lie everytime they open their mouth, right?

Terrorism got it's bang for a few bucks, leading us willy nilly down the path of self destruction. Hell, if we had an intelligent response to 9/11 we wouldn't be in this mess. But no, we had to cowboy off into an unknown world where our jerk president thought that he could bully the world. Typical overreach. Now we are finding out that the consequences of unleashed empire isn't exactly good for the citizens of that empire. We haven't even begun to get the pay back for this mess, just wait it won't be long. Plus, we have spent a huge amount of money to get the ones responsible haven't we. Have we got them? Nope, so all that money thrown away. I won't even bother mentioning the lives wasted and lost over this failed response. There are too many tears so the outcome of this can be fat wallets and over priced crap coming our way. Sure that makes a lot of sense. Our government is insane nothing less, not even a shred of sanity is left in washington DC. That needs to be declared a disaster area and cordoned off no one leaves and no one gets in, cut the power and hope it implodes. Until the american sheeple wake up and start to take some form of responsibility for their own lives and not let it be the province of their so called elected officials we are going to be in big trouble. I have no fear of any iraqi nor terrorist. I do fear un fettered government, and it's supporters. They are the real menace to our way of life and our future. But hey if it floats your boat get on board the waterfall is just around the bend.

"I do fear un fettered government, and it's supporters. They are the real menace to our way of life and our future."

No doubt. Well said.

capt

Sal,

I have many questions about 9/11, and yes the neocons have lied about just about everything.

What I don't have is certitude about what did happen.

I do know however, that it is the neocons who gain when we argue amongst ourselves. We have more than enough to charge these bastards with capital crimes without charging them with 9/11. Al Capone was brought down for tax evasion, not bank robbery, but was put away all the same.

I want to know the truth, but I want to bring the fascists down more.

pilots for 9/11 truth

We have an animation of the entire flight77 provided by the NTSB.

We have determined based on the Flight Data Recorder information that has been analyzed thus far provided by the NTSB, that it is impossible for this aircraft to have struck down the light poles.

Also, lest we forget, today is the anniversary of the Pinochet coup of Allende and Kissinger was originally selected to head the 9/11 Commission...

Jest sayin'

Today's Headlines

Five Iraqi Soldiers Seized In Border Clash With Iran 9-11

Iraqi PM's trip to Iran postponed. He gave no reason for the delay. 9-11

Al Qaeda releases "Happy Anniversary" message 9-11

Top British Soldier Quits Over "Pointless" War In Afghanistan 9-11

9/11 Commission Chair: "There's No Question The War In Iraq Is Radicalizing". 9-11

US Marine intelligence assessment of Anbar province, Iraq: "We haven't been defeated militarily but we have been defeated politically -- and that's where wars are won and lost." 9-11

Fighting to make Iran and Al Qaeda stronger: "It's actually unfathomable -- for a country to fight a protracted and bloody war where the sole beneficiary is that country's worst enemy" 9-11

Cheney: "If We Had It To Do Over Again, We'd Do Exactly The Same Thing" 9-11

Thanks POAC!

It is clear that Cheney's arrogance is exceeded only by his stupidity, which is exceeded by nothing.

It is clear that Cheney's arrogance is exceeded only by his stupidity, which is exceeded by nothing.

WTF and capt. a big AMEN to that!

Truth is, President Bush said this withering thing in June of THIS YEAR ; conceRning the Iraq War :

" I believe in supporting a strategy that will work . Not work for some immediate political situation, but work for the good of the Iraqi people , and for ourselves, and equally important , help us win this War On Terror. "

----------------- President Bush, June 2006

Now, really, come on now, " for the good of the Iraqi people " ? The tens of thousands of D E A D Iraqi people ? The Iraqi people that left Iraq and are now living in Jordan, or someplace else ? Who, exactly, among the Iraqi people is having " good " done for them ?

President Bush, all this time after an awwwwwwful Tuesday morning in September 2001, still doesn't get it. WE DON' T

BELIEVE YOU, Mr. President. It's nothing to do with who you are as a person, how you treat your wife, or your kids. It's nothing to do with whether you honor God and go to church on Sunday. It is about whether you have the ( necessary ) courage to go about the business of this country without lyin' your lyin' ass away on a daily basis. WE DON ' T be LIE ve you, Mr. President. You've had more than 1200 days to prove you're serious about " good of the Iraqi people " ( phhhhft. )

and YOU AIN ' T Done It.

Game, set, match, Anderson Petition

www.warisaracket.org

Robert, I have no certainty beyond knowing for a fact they are lying, that's all I need to know. I don't care what takes them down as long as they go down. But 9/11 was far worse then bank robbery, and everything that has followed is on their hands as well. I really want to see them answer for this, in court, under oath in front of a thousand cameras looking into the eyes of the families of those people sacrificed to the God of greed and war.

Absolutely Undeniable Evil by the Bush Administration

the cover-up of toxic dust at ground zero

The same asbestos that were the reason that the WTC was slated multi billion dollar asbestos cleaning project.

I just have to wonder, by covering up how toxic the dust was, were they covering up the simple reminder of the asbestos?

Or was there something else in the dust they didn't want people to know about?

Like what may have been used to bring down the towers?

Or did they just simply not care if people suffered?

Or all of the above?

the cover-up of toxic dust at ground zero

DEN, thanks for posting the Democracy Now discussion. That was a good one.

#46 I could not agree more, what is everybody waiting for, the evidence is everywhere to put these fascist thugs behind bars, yet here we are...waiting for the rider with the white hat to save our asses.

Aint happenin, nope.

the REAL cover-up of toxic dust at ground zero

Re: Democracy Now. Anybody else catch the Unpopular Mechanics dude mention David Corn who writes for the Nation, as part of the coverup of 9/11 at the end of the program. That was weird.

September 11, 2006 5 Years Later . . . Still Demanding Truth & Justice Worldwide Events

Here is a list of events for anyone who is interested. Robert, there is one in LA from 4:00pm - 7:00pm Info: "We will be two lights east of Wilshire and Veteran, at the intersection of Wilshire and Westwood. We plan to meet at 4:00pm and spread throughout Westwood Village home of UCLA. Wilshire and Westwood will be home base, so someone will be there should you come late. E-mail Katy with any questions- katy1stteam@aol.com"

Don't know if this is practical for you or if you are even interested, but, just in case.

Friday September 8, 2006
A. P. article by R. Rageh .

" More than 1,500 people died violently in BAGHDAD last month . "

" The Iraqi Health Ministry says its
final August 2006 tally of violent deaths in Baghdad was 1,536 . "

" Asked Thursday ( Sept. 7, 2006 ) about the Iraqi Health Ministry's figures , U.S. spokesman Lt. Col. Barry Johnson declined to provide an explanation. "

Please learn about a true American. Smedly Butler said " War is a racket. "

Rumsfeld proves it. A. Petition

www.warisaracket.org

Excellent short article in today's H-town Chronicle...

Win war on terror at home with shift in foreign policy
Current state of affairs is only creating new enemies

IT is now accepted by most experts and, according to the latest polls, 60 percent of Americans, that the decision to invade Iraq has increased the threat of terrorism. Five years after the twin towers crumbled in a horrifying spectacle, our government's foreign policy has done more to recruit terrorists and sympathizers than anything that Osama bin Laden could have imagined.

The United States today faces no real security threat from any country. Russia and China have nuclear missiles that could reach the United States, and theoretically they could use them. But so, too, could Britain or France. For now, at least, none of these countries has any significant probability of attacking the United States.

Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence. ~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Re: Democracy Now. Anybody else catch the Unpopular Mechanics dude mention David Corn who writes for the Nation, as part of the coverup of 9/11 at the end of the program. That was weird.

Yep, I caught that. The Loose Change idiots think David Corn is part of the government coverup. Anybody that isn't on the same delusional level as them would be added to the list of "in on it" conspiracists. It's now in the MILLIONS. hehe

Path to 9/11 Trounced By Football, Ties CBS Rerun

Apparently, there isn't a big audience for myths about 9/11. Preliminary ratings information show that Path to 9/11 was not only trounced by Sunday Night Football, it only managed to tie a rerun of a CBS documentary about 9/11. A summary:

Looks like predictions that the effort to correct Path to 9/11's inaccuracies would improve ABC's ratings were wrong.

More HERE

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Seems people are more interested in the truth than a pack of lies. Serves ABC/Disney right.

capt

ABC

I read about the PM claim that cell phones can broadcast 200 miles away and cell towers can cover 200 miles. But according to this letter to WRH:

...one point that made my ears pickup was the Popular Mechanics statement that a cell phone tower covers 200 miles, as someone who has worked building wireless carriers, I can tell you that is absurd. Cell Phone towers and their base station controllers normally have coverage of around 10 square miles, but more critically use sector antennas which are aimed at providing coverage only in a specific direction, say a 30 degree arc and do NOT point up in the air; the antenna wave path is mainly horizontal. Further, I'll state something that should be obvious to anyone, the tower transmits to the phone and naturally the phone has to transmit back, I would be extremely impressed to see a cell phone that can transmit 200 miles. Obviously the statement is false, it's a lie.
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I guess they also equate 9/11 skeptics with holocaust denial, pathetic. Let the rovian smear tactics commence!

Aways Bad Coverage

ABC=Always Bad Coverage..........whatta monday!

Sal, Cell phones have a FM signal which travels line of sight or parallel to the Earth, not to the sky.

I might believe the use of the inflight phones built into the seat headrests would work even though they were made by GTE(quality issues) called Airphones, NOT cellphones.

PR Web Press release Newswire

Mary Maxwell, a Congressional candidate in the GOP primary, lectured yesterday on how to overcome the roadblocks erected by both Congress and the White House with regard to solving the crimes of 9/11. Maxwell lists some rarely used legal methods, and raises the possibility of the court-martial. of Air Force officers.
Concord, NH (PRWEB) September 5, 2006 -- Mary Maxwell of Concord, New Hampshire, who has a Ph.D. in Politics and is running for her stateÔøΩs second district seat in the US House of Representatives, spoke on WKXL community radio yesterday. She observed that people are frustrated by the silence from the executive and legislative branches of government at a time when 43% of Americans suspect that 9/11 was an inside job. She points out that the third branch, the judiciary, plus the courts of the 50 states, may offer a way around this roadblock.
In her radio lecture she commented that "the murder of 2800 people on Sept 11, 2001 in New York has never undergone the investigation that is mandated by New York state law in all cases of death by foul play. Hundreds of thousands of people have signed a petition to New York State Atty Gen Elliot Spitzer to re-open 9/11 but so far to no avail."
Maxwell repeatedly emphasized that it is important to stay legal when looking for solutions. "One free-lance lynching," she said, "could bring chaos and we would be like the people of Iraq, not knowing who is in charge. With us it is clear -- the Constitution is in charge." And that document was written, she noted, "with an eye to the fact that government members would try their best to make mischief. The Founding Fathers knew all about monarchical power grabs and gave us the means to protect the nation from this routine sort of thing. It isn't anything to be embarrassed about."
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Another anti-war candidate who wants an end to this corruption. Left, right or middle, ending this murder spree against the middle east should be the #1 priority. I will support anyone for whom that goal is at the top the agenda.

today is a national bushco holyday: patriot day.
did you guys know that portions of automobiles for many city blocks around the wtc melted, twisted and incinerated for some as yet unexplained reason? maybe that phenomenon was caused by the energy from the furious hatred that evil arabs felt towards the not-so-popular wtc? or maybe it was just gravity.
see figures 4abcd

and then go poof yourself!

DEN, I just thought it curious they would make such a statement, they must have know it was BS. As for the use of airphones, no doubt that would be the case for some, but they should make up their minds, If they mean airphones they shouldn't say cell phones, since, as you pointed out, they are different systems with different capabilities.

MAYBE we should all go back and LISTEN to the events unfold five years ago today: http://polihale.com/display/30170 [and HOPEFULLY Howard Stern & Sirius won't shut down that site]

Sal, This IS the smoking NIST gun as stated on their own site.

12. Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? The combination of thermite and sulfur (called thermate) "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter."

NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel.

Ok so if you did not test for these compounds, you have not done COMPLTETE testing, instead choosing to rely on "heresay evidence". WEASLES!!!

David, I'm about 20 pages into Hubris. It's a good read so far. A real page-turner. I'm glad you made a chapter title of Andrew Card's "marketing a new product" quote. I've always felt that that told the whole story in a nutshell. I'm amazed, though, that you were able to get these CIA folks to go on the record in such detail. That's got to heat up the war between the CIA and White House.

"A thing is not proved just because no one has ever questioned it. What has never been gone into impartially has never been properly gone into. Hence scepticism is the first step toward truth. It must be applied generally, because it is the touchstone."

~ Denis Diderot (1713 - 1784)

"'I somehow got into the stairwell and there were more people there. When I began to try and direct down, another huge explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes later, although it's hard to tell, but I'm thinking, 'Oh. My God, these bastards put bombs in here like they did in 1993!'"
~~Lou Cacchioli, Firefighter in WTC 1

'"I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions."'
~~Craig Carlsen FDNY

"Many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact." Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. "There were definitely bombs in those buildings,"
~~Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr.

Wish You Were Here

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell,
Blue skys from pain.
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?

And did they get you to trade
Your heros for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage?

How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We're just two lost souls
Swimming in a fish bowl,
Year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have we found?
The same old fears.
Wish you were here.

Pink Floyd (Waters, Gilmour)

The one episode in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq that never ceases to amaze me is the Bush Administration's reliance on the alleged "slam dunk" comment by George Tenet concering the intelligence on Iraqi WMD. On MTP, Cheney again cited Tenet's comment to defend the Administration's use of prewar intelligence. But the media always seems to miss the glaring weaknesses in the Administration's argument concerning their reliance on Tenet's comment in making their push for war.

According to Bob Woodward, the "slam dunk" comment occurred at a meeting of the Bush's war cabinet in the oval office in mid-December 2002 to review the intelligence on Iraqi WMD and that the comment was made by Tenet after Bush expressed suprise at the lack of solid information on WMD. Let me repeat: THE COMMENT WAS MADE IN A MEETING IN MID-DECEMBER 2002! That is months after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice had begun their saber rattling. Months after Cheney made his "there is no doubt" speech to the American Legion. Months after Rice cited the Iraqi purchase of aluminum tubes as evidece of nuclear development. Months after Andy Card supervised the "roll out" the Administration's "new product" (the invasion of Iraq) in September 2002, just in time for the mid-term elections.

Am I missing something here? Certainly, the Bush Administration could not have relied on Tenet's comment in August and September 2002, when Cheney and Rice were issuing definitive assessments on Iraqi WMD, or in October 2002 when the vote on Iraq war was had in Congress. Why was the meeting with Tenet held so late in the game? Why was Bush, and presumably the others present at the meeting, surprised by the flimsy intelligence so late in the game? How does the media miss thes simple, yet gaping holes, in the Administration's argument?

patriot day is a national bushco holyday

Ok so if you did not test for these compounds, you have not done COMPLTETE testing, instead choosing to rely on "heresay evidence". WEASLES!!!

Now DEN, you have to list the rest of the answer to put it in perspective. I bet they didn't test for nuclear explosions either. Or a photon beam from space, or any number of WACK things these people could think of. You have to have evidence or even a hint of something before you waste time and money exploring a dry hole. Here's the REST of the answer for #12...

The responses to questions number 2, 4, 5 and 11 demonstrate why NIST concluded that there were no explosives or controlled demolition involved in the collapses of the WTC towers.

Furthermore, a very large quantity of thermite (a mixture of powdered or granular aluminum metal and powdered iron oxide that burns at extremely high temperatures when ignited) or another incendiary compound would have had to be placed on at least the number of columns damaged by the aircraft impact and weakened by the subsequent fires to bring down a tower. Thermite burns slowly relative to explosive materials and can require several minutes in contact with a massive steel section to heat it to a temperature that would result in substantial weakening. Separate from the WTC towers investigation, NIST researchers estimated that at least 0.13 pounds of thermite would be required to heat each pound of a steel section to approximately 700 degrees Celsius (the temperature at which steel weakens substantially). Therefore, while a thermite reaction can cut through large steel columns, many thousands of pounds of thermite would need to have been placed inconspicuously ahead of time, remotely ignited, and somehow held in direct contact with the surface of hundreds of massive structural components to weaken the building. This makes it an unlikely substance for achieving a controlled demolition.

Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC towers, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard that was prevalent in the interior partitions.
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Do you honestly thing people went upstairs to the impact floor while the building burned, set up THOUSANDS OF POUNDS of thermite, and held it in place to heat MANY MANY beams so collapse initation could start? Or, do you think THOUSANDS of POUNDS of thermite were pre-positioned at the correct floor where the plane would hit, but didn't go off by the fuel explosions, and waited for conpiracists to come up there and set them off??? You people have to THINK THROUGH some of the weird things you espouse. Iml-fkn-possible comes to mind.

David, what we really need in this country is a venue for immediate rebuttal of such false claims as Cheney made on MTP. Obviously, Russert and most of the MSM talking heads are not up to this challenge. What can we do to be sure that lies such as these are exposed immediately, before the host is purposely drowned out and the viewers distracted?

DEN, Dr. Jones IS conducting that very research, even though BYU is trying to shut him up. If the govt. is so sure of their story why don't they just give him what he is requesting and let him make a fool of himself? That seems the the best plan of action to me.

'"I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions."' ~~Craig Carlsen FDNY

No, those weren't explosions from fuel cascading down the core in stairwells and elevator shafts or grounded out xformers , those were these new kind of demo charges that go off then wait about an hour for the results. LOL

The responses to questions number 2, 4, 5 and 11 demonstrate why NIST concluded that there were no explosives or controlled demolition involved in the collapses of the WTC towers.

the responses by NIST demonstrate why NIST concluded....

bravo!

here is wtc2 less than 1/2 it's original size:
poof! where did the rest of it go? in order to have pancaking, a force is required to trigger the failure of the next floor. if the building above that floor has been pulverized, there can be no force pushing down. any pulverized material remaining over the footprint of the building will be suspended in the air and can't contribute to a downward force slamming onto the next floor.

only 10 seconds to poof!
the poof! is in the pudding.

not eye said the blind man -
poofity poof!

#83, Alan, You have a bit more thinking to do pal, There was a LABOR DAY WEEKEND prior to Tuesday Sept. 11, more than enough time to set charges with everyone out of town, OK?

Combine that with Israeli movers driving around town with a van with explosive residues inside getting busted and subsequently exported BACK to Israel seems a bit suspicious, NO?

where did the rest of it go alan? 87

#85 Sal, right on! (B rite bak)

Thanks for all this work and showing the truth
instead of all the lies we have been fed. I wish
so much that you could have included that this
Adm. also used a picture of Saddam and BinLaden
together (it was put all over the news when some
people in the know said there was no connection
between the two men.)Jan. 2003. This must have been a BIG LIE too (the picture) because how can you have two people on same picture who never met, and it was also said that they never liked each other.
That picture if found would really nail them if
proven to be faux.
Also i never hear about the fact that Dan Rather
went to meet with Saddam before the war broke
out and Saddam said he wanted to meet with Pres.
Bush and tell him the truth that he didn't
have weapons, etc. The same night ( a Sunday)
I watched the news and reporters asked Bush if
he watched (HE DID NOT) and it was very well
publicized. He was told that Saddam wants to
have a meeting with him. (BUSH SAID NO) no
diplomacy here (eventho Bush said he tried to
use diplomacy) Actually, I have yet to see him
use diplimacy with any of the countries we're
having problems with. So I feel very strongly
that it was like the whole Adm. had a "hot foot"
to get the war starteed. Then when they did
(March 19th, 2003) I clearly remember they said
they had excellent intelligence that Saddam,
his cabinet, sons, etc. were in a building so
they began by bombing that building and was
leading us to believe this was going to be
swift ~~ there was no one in building and no
tunnel to get away. (???) And look how long
we've been there and they still want to continue
their slaughter of our men and the civilian
people of Iraq. It's not right!! WE MUST
VOTE ~~ it's the most important vote I've
ever made. And is the cheating at the polls
going to stop this time?????????????????????

#83, Alan, You have a bit more thinking to do pal, There was a LABOR DAY WEEKEND prior to Tuesday Sept. 11, more than enough time to set charges with everyone out of town, OK?

Combine that with Israeli movers driving around town with a van with explosive residues inside getting busted and subsequently exported BACK to Israel seems a bit suspicious, NO?

First part... so thermite was preplanted on the exact floor where the plane would hit? Ok, then why didn't the fuel explosion set it off? Seriously, even if a labor day weekend was enough time to set it up, how or what triggered the thermite an hour later?? What kind of rigging held the thermite to the beam it was used on? It doesn't quite work like a cutting torch, so that would be one hella problem to solve. A person couldn't hold it and direct it where you wanted to heat up beams, that's for sure.

Now, second part... you'll have to link me to something that says israelis had explosive residure in their van. If it wasn't thermite, then there goes the first part of your so-called rebuttal. I have read about some israelis going out to their van after the first tower was hit and started filming. I'd bet there were thousands of new yorkers that did the same. And maybe they were Mossad agents too, cause it insinuate they were tracking arabs. If so, that would be a public relations nightmare for AIPAC and the Israeli government so I can understand if they were whisked back to Israel after their cover was blown. But yeah, if you'll just link me to the explosive residue article... and I hope it explains just what kind of explosives it was. Thanks.

We Best Honor Those Who Died Five Years Ago by Making Sure the Right People Are Brought to Justice
And the fact is, once you start looking carefully, little about the official 9/11 story seems right. For instance, just starting with the attack on the north tower--

what really happened?

blob 11 and what a real 767 at that focus would look like

(source)

Everything gets stranger and stranger from that point on.

9/11'S QUESTIONS - TODAY'S HIGH ALERT

What a sad anniversary. The deaths of thousands are sorrowful enough. But what is almost as troubling is that there so many anomalies in the government explanations about who took the World Trade Towers down and why.

Thank God for the Internet and its alternative media, including millions of blogs. You can be sure that a good deal of Internet speculation will focus not on mainstream celebrations of government interpretations of 9/11 but on the fundamental questions behind 9/11.

Yes, grieving reader, there is an operative force call it the visible money elite wishing to bring together the West's disparate nation states into one large confederation with a consolidated currency. I have written about this in my book "High Alert" from High Alert publishing. In this book, I put forth the hypothesis that "money power" likely facilitated 9/11 in some sense of the word, for it has the most to gain, and may gain the most, from the towers takedown.

Why make such a "conspiratorial" statement? Because the "visible" money elite is busy at work even now attempting to consolidate the West's nation states into one big bunch a large scale industrial bouquet, if you will - with one currency and one central bank. Imagine the power this would give to those who controlled such a fragrant prize! There is evidence, almost too much of it, that there are some and they are named almost endlessly on the net - who will apparently do just about anything to obtain it.

The EU is an obvious outgrowth of this urge, is it not? The EU's leaders lied for 50 years about the nature of the "experiment." It was just a free-trade zone, they said. Nonsense. It was, and is, a continually more repressive political union one that many in Europe would reject, much as the French already rejected the EU constitution. Is it a conspiracy? Europe was lied to by its leaders, as was Britain. The lies continue even today, with EU's socialist front-men implementing their rejected constitution piecemeal, behind the backs of their citizens, since they cannot it get it honestly approved.

More HERE

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Some people lack the vision and critical mind or curiousity to question the most important things they read. Reading something does not make it true. Not even a reference book, non-fiction novel or a governmental report.

Tragic.

"Readers are plentiful; thinkers are rare." ~ Harriet Martineau (1802 - 1876)

capt

Has everyone seen this yet?

Film depicts fictional killing of Bush
A controversial mock documentary showing the imagined assassination of U.S. President George W. Bush will debut at the Toronto International Film Festival next week and be aired on a British television channel next month.

First part... so thermite was preplanted on the exact floor where the plane would hit? Ok, then why didn't the fuel explosion set it off?

maybe thermite is beyond stable and needs to be purposefully set-off. maybe it takes an actual detonation cap or whatever they use and mere jet fuel (kerosene) isn't enough?
where did the rest of it go alan? @87poof

maybe thermite is beyond stable and needs to be purposefully set-off. maybe it takes an actual detonation cap or whatever they use and mere jet fuel (kerosene) isn't enough?

"Maybe?" Is that like "they say..."? lol Maybe you haven't taken your meds today too. hahaha I'll type this slow for you then... do you even remember the link YOU posted with the thermite demonstration? The guys lit it with a long fuse, very much like you'd light a firecracker.
Seriously Spy, you need help.

spy, where did those monstrous beams come from? I thought those buildings, all three of them, were constructed from a flimsy truss system which made up a basically hollow tube held together by, possibly, a photon BEAM from outer space!

DEN, are you back yet? I've got some work to do now, so I'll have to check back later or tonight for that link about the Israelis.

Thermite

Conventional thermite reactions require very high temperatures for initiation. These cannot be reached with conventional black-powder fuses, nitrocellulose rods, detonators, or other common igniting substances. Even when the thermite is hot enough to glow bright red, it will not ignite as it must be at or near white-hot to initiate the reaction. It is possible to start the reaction using a propane torch if done right, but this should never be attempted for safety reasons.

Often, strips of magnesium metal are used as fuses. Magnesium burns at approximately the temperature at which thermite reacts, around 2500 Kelvin (4000 ?F). This method is notoriously unreliable: magnesium itself is hard to ignite, and in windy or wet conditions the strip may be extinguished. Also, magnesium strips do not contain their own oxygen source so ignition cannot occur through a small hole. A significant danger of magnesium ignition is the fact that the metal is an excellent conductor of heat; heating one end of the ribbon may cause the other end to transfer enough heat to the thermite to cause premature ignition. Despite these issues, magnesium ignition remains popular amongst amateur thermite users.

The reaction between potassium permanganate and glycerine is used as an alternative to the magnesium method. When these two substances mix, a spontaneous reaction will begin, slowly increasing the temperature of the mixture until flames are produced. The heat released by the oxidation of glycerine is sufficient to initiate a thermite reaction. However, this method can also be unreliable and the delay between mixing and ignition can vary greatly due to factors such as particle size and ambient temperature.

Another method of igniting is to use a common sparkler to ignite the mix. These reach the necessary temperatures and provide a sufficient amount of time before the burning point reaches the sample.

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Thermate

Thermate, or Thermate-TH3, is an incendiary compound primarily used for military applications. Because of the similarity in names, thermate is sometimes confused with one of its components, thermite.

Thermate is a mixture of thermite and pyrotechnic additives which have been found to be superior to standard thermite for incendiary purposes. Its composition by weight is generally thermite 68.7%, barium nitrate 29.0%, sulphur 2.0% and binder 0.3%. Addition of barium nitrate to thermite increases its thermal effect, creates flame in burning and significantly reduces the ignition temperature.

Thermate is used in incendiary hand grenades.

Retrieved from "Thermate"

capt

Alan, You are going to have to get your little fingers busy and do your own research, I will no longer waste my time debating this issue with you as there has been PLENTY of discussions here already going back and forth trying to open your mind to something not KOOL AID related.

Your choice to view these events with a closed mind is yours and you own it.

Has anyone heard from Hajji? I hope he's off having fun somewhere.

thanx capt! your @101 is a validation of my @97 -
someone seems to be avoiding a certain issue despite all the poofs in his face.

where did the rest of it go alan? @87poof anybody? where did the rest of it go? @87poof

to accept the govt entity's word even after being confronted with multiple examples of said govt entity's duplicity not only dishonors the very real 9/11 victims but actually honors the alleged evil arab 19 highjackers.

why do you hate america alan? maybe you've been taking too many of someone else's meds?

REPOST: STRIKE FOR 9/11 TRUTH!

This coming Monday is September 11, 2006 and marks the five year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks; now it is time to demonstrate for the truth! For five years the U.S. government has been lying to the American People, covering up their involvement in these attacks, and stonewalling all investigation into the matter. Now, Monday, September 11, 2006 it is time to do something about it! It is time to demonstrate and to demand the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the American government’≥ involvement in the murder and conspiracy of 9/11.

This Monday the administration politicians will be out in force telling us what a great job protecting us from those crazed Jihadists. Some of that may actually be true, but who is protecting us from our own government? The evidence is clear that the federal government continues to lie, obfuscate, stop or delay any further investigation into their involvement into the 9/11 events. As far as they are concerned it is over. However, for us it is just beginning.

This Monday the American people need to peacefully demonstrate every time a politician stands up to speak about 9/11. This should be done in every city in America. Demonstrators should always be peaceful, courteous and respectful of property. The news-media will be there and this is the perfect opportunity to tell the news-media about the solid, physical evidence that we have so far. Bring your signs and your articulate, rational, and well-dressed speakers to interface with the news-media. Prepare sound bites in advance.

More HERE

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Time to get vocal.

capt

capt, I see you've been lurking at the Free Market News site!

I get their newsletter.

capt

Alan, LinkandLink,and Link

Old proverb: You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.

i never linked to any thermite demonstration alan - i couldn't care less about thermite -

hand! where did the rest of wtc2 go? @87poof!

THE ISRAELI ART STUDENTS AND MOVERS STORY

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The Liberty State Park vantage point the five Urban Moving Systems celebrants had of lower Manhattan on the morning of September 11.

On the morning of September 12, the FBI canvassed the residents of the Israelis apartment building, The Doric, in Union City. They asked the residents if they could identify photographs of the five Israelis.[20] The three Newark-based FBI agents on the case were Robert F. Taylor, Jr., Bill Lloyd and Dave O'Brien, the same agents who questioned the van drivers arrested in East Rutherford. All have subsequently been transferred from the Newark Field Office. A Union City off-duty policemen, saw three suspicious people at Union Park next to the Doric Temple at the corner of 9th Street and Palisades Avenue in Union City. The three, who matched the description of other Israeli "false flag" teams, were filming New York City's skyline before the first plane hit the World Trade Center. The officer also witnessed the three high-fiving each other. The officer chased the celebrants on foot but was unable to apprehend them. The officer later reported the three headed into Jersey City by car.[21]

Another van carrying explosives was stopped by police on an approach ramp to the George Washington Bridge from the New Jersey side. Police suspected the perpetrators were trying to blow up the bridge.[22]

More HERE

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WMR lists footnotes (like [22]) for the sources of his information. The whole piece is worth a read.

Not nearly as simplistic as a guy in a van with explosives. There is a large number of events that are all connected. That is for those with any objective considerations. If you are already convinced why bother reading anything, eh?

capt

Or more likely:

Old proverb: You can lead a person to information but you cannot make them think.

HA!

capt

#43 Saladin -- this kind of ridiculous, illogical comment from you Of course someone who thinks criticism of the Israeli govt. is anti-Jewish would take offense at just about anything. -- is why I believe you have little, in fact almost zippo, credibility.

Show me one thing that I have said that proves that is how I think on the subject. You blast away with your potshots and faulty assumptions with the greatest of ease.

Astounding.

The Armitage Red Herring

If you believe the Wall Street Journal's op-ed page, the conservative wing of the blogosphere, or any number of right-wing commentators, the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame has amounted to a non-scandal, a conspiracy theory drummed up for political ends by the left. This owes to the recent disclosure in Newsweek that former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was the initial and primary source for the now infamous column by Robert Novak that touched off the controversy. Plugging "HUBRIS: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War" a soon-to-be-released book co-authored by Newsweek's Michael Isikoff and The Nation's David Corn (who was the first to raise the question of whether the Plame leak broke the law), the magazine reported that Armitage, who has a reputation as a gossip, may have inadvertently leaked Plame's identity to Novak in the course of making chit chat.

In the Journal's interpretation, one shared by like-minded ideologues, this means that: "the leaker wasn't Karl Rove or Scooter Libby or anyone else in the White House who has been accused of running a conspiracy against Ms. Plame as revenge for her husband Joe Wilson's false accusations against the White House's case for war with Iraq. So what have the last three years been all about anyway? Political opportunism and internal score-settling, among other things." Not quite. The very significant news about Armitage's role in all of this is but one strand in a many-tentacled scandal that has led, among other places, to the office of the Vice President and to the President himself. Attempts to portray this news otherwise are just the latest effort by the right to mute the scandal, which has included questioning whether Plame was really covert and not just a Langley office hand.

Corn, for his part, seems somewhat amused that his reporting has been held up to vindicate those who believe the Plame leak was not the act of political retaliation it certainly appears to have been. "White House defenders are chortling," he writes on his blog. "For some reason, they believe that the news from HUBRIS, that Richard Armitage was the original leaker means there was nothing to the CIA leak case." He goes on to say that the body of evidence that has been unearthed over the years disputes this fact. "Rove's leak (to Robert Novak and Matt Cooper) and Libby's leak (to Judith Miller and Cooper) were part of a campaign to discredit former ambassador Joseph Wilson. That's no conspiracy theory."

More HERE

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A couple of days old but . . .

capt

i had it on good authority that this very cornblog used to get anywhere between 10k-20k hits per day - very impressive! - my guess is that the daily # hits has really dropped in the last 6 months - maybe because so-called leftys and progressives have found it uncomfortable merely to be in the presence of such dilemmas as that posed by @87poof!
where did the rest of wtc2 go? @87poof!

on today the national bushco holyday: patriot day!
i have no problem seeing that:
AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IS TOO FEEBLE TO DEAL WITH 9/11

111, capt, gee wish ida thoughta that! GOOD ONE!

ABC 9/11 film ties documentary rerun

An expensive and highly-publicized September 11 ABC "docudrama" was soundly defeated in overnight Nielsen ratings by Sunday Night Football, RAW STORY has learned.

Early indications are that the "miniseries event" actually tied a rerun of a documentary on the same subject, and barely edged out the eighteenth season premiere of The Simpsons.

The New York vs. Indianapolis game earned rival NBC a 15.1/23 rating, according to overnight returns.

Part one of ABC's "Path to 9/11," in comparison, earned a rating of 8.2/12--about half as many viewers. This tied a CBS repeat of a documentary, also about the September 11, 2001 attacks on America. The CBS repeat was somewhat handicapped by a half hour delay caused by an overrun of a U.S. Open Tennis match.

Jeanne,

I was listening to AAR this morning and the guys were talking about the CBS documentary 911 - they said it was good, not slanted nor biased, pro or con anything. A real documentary.

Now I wish I had watched it.

UGH!

capt

9/11 docudrama!
starring oj simpson as: Stanley Prainmath and his amazing desk!

Paul Krugman: Promises Not Kept

Five years ago, the nation rallied around a president who promised vengeance against those responsible for the atrocity of 9/11. Yet Osama bin Laden is still alive and at large. His trail, The Washington Post reports, has gone "stone cold." Osama and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, are evidently secure enough in their hideaway that they can taunt us with professional-quality videos.

...Meanwhile, much of Afghanistan has fallen back under the control of drug-dealing warlords and of the Taliban, which sheltered Al Qaeda before it was driven from Kabul. NATO's top commander has appealed for more troops; the top British commander in Afghanistan has said that fighting there is fiercer than in Iraq. And the numbers bear him out: since the beginning of 2006, the NATO force in Afghanistan has had a higher rate of fatalities than that suffered by coalition troops in Iraq.

...No matter, declared President Bush: "I truly am not that concerned about him," he said about bin Laden in March 2002, and more or less stopped mentioning Osama for the next four years. By the time he made his what-me-worry remarks -just six months after 9/11 - the pursuit of Al Qaeda had already been relegated to second-class status. A long report in yesterday's Washington Post adds detail to what has long been an open secret: early in 2002, the administration began pulling key resources, such as special forces units and unmanned aircraft, off the hunt for Al Qaeda's leaders, in preparation for the invasion of Iraq.

At the same time, the administration balked at giving the new regime in Kabul the support it needed. As he often does, Mr. Bush said the right things: the history of conflict in Afghanistan, he declared in April 2002, has been "one of initial success, followed by long years of floundering and ultimate failure. We're not going to repeat that mistake."
But he proceeded to do just that, neglecting Afghanistan in ways that foreshadowed the future calamity in Iraq. During the first 18 months after the Taliban were driven from power, the U.S.-led coalition provided no peacekeeping troops outside the capital city. Economic aid, in a destitute nation shattered by war, was minimal in the crucial first year, when the new government was trying to build legitimacy. And the result was the floundering and failure we see today.

Gaping Holes Remain in the 9/11 Story

Robert Scheer

There were weapons of mass destruction being shipped to "rogue nations," but they were coming from Pakistan in an extensive program headed by Abdul Qadeer (A.Q.) Khan, the father of the "Islamic bomb." The Pakistan government has admitted that Khan passed on to North Korea, Libya and Iran technical know-how and vital materials for the creation of nuclear weapons. But Khan was pardoned of any crimes by Pakistan's dictator general, President Gen. Pervez Musharraf. Khan is restricted only by a loose form of house arrest and has never been made available to U.S. investigators. Yet the Bush Administration dropped the sanctions originally imposed on Pakistan in reprisal for its development of nuclear weapons in return for Pakistan's support in the "war on terror."

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In short, the most cited source that we have on what happened on 9/11, the much celebrated 9/11 Commission Report, was stage-managed by the Bush Administration, just as it has controlled and distorted so much other information.

"We are the ruling race of the world. . . . We will not renounce our part in the mission of our race, trustee, under God, of the civilization of the world. . . . He has marked us as his chosen people. . . . He has made us adept in government that we may administer government among savage and senile peoples." : Sen. Alfred Beveridge

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"I firmly believe that when any territory outside the present territorial limits of the United States becomes necessary for our defense or essential for our commercial development, we ought to lose no time in acquiring it." : Sen. Orville Platt of Connecticut 1894.

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"Between 1898 and 1934, the Marines invaded Cuba 4 times, Nicaragua 5 times, Honduras 7 times, the Dominican Republic 4 times, Haiti twice, Guatemala once, Panama twice, Mexico 3 times and Columbia 4 times," Washington has intervened militarily in foreign countries more than 200 times."

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"If the people are not convinced (that the Free World is in mortal danger) it would be impossible for Congress to vote the vast sums now being spent to avert danger. With the support of public opinion, as marshalled by the press, we are off to a good start. It is our Job - yours and mine -- to keep our people convinced that the only way to keep disaster away from our shores is to build up America's might." -- Charles Wilson, Chairman of the Board of General Electric and Truman appointee to head the Office of Defence Mobilization, in a speech to the Newspaper Publishers Association, 1950

The quotes above are from the book, "Addicted To War"

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Thanks ICH Newsletter!

boeing boeing bong
the fire is out and the dirt has been spread across the pristine lawn of the pentagon to hide the fact that a 757 left no mark on the lawn after allegedly skipping across said lawn and slamming into the 1st floor.

but on this holyday, the aluminum anniversary of the beginning of the war on arabs, (the 1st blow of ww3 was struck by the courageous passengers of flight93 - g. bush), the majority of the progressives (politico failures) and leftys (outs) still have their collective pin-heads firmly ensconsed in their own backsides.
come-on leftys!
where did the rest of wtc2 go? poof!

Sorry, Link for #120

Minutes of Silence That Should Live in Infamy: As Americans Leapt to Their Deaths from the Twin Towers, George W. Bush Sat Cluelessly in a Florida Classroom, Endangering the Lives of the Children Around Him, Until His Handlers Could Figure Out What to Do With Him

Whatever we are as Americans, or what we used to think we were, we valued common sense.

But no longer, at least for the 40 some percent of Americans that plan on voting for Bush and Cheney.

Is it common sense to wallow in the unsubstantiated attack on a three-time medal recipient, wounded Vietnam Veteran, who volunteered to serve in combat, while a man sits in the White House who used family connections to avoid serving in Vietnam -- letting other young men die in his place while he supported the war, lost his flying privileges because he refused to take a drug test (thus leaving the tax payers with a useless bill for his pilot training) -- and then went inexplicably AWOL to boot? Is it common sense that the media allows a bunch of partisan hacks to, by implication, shred the reputation of ALL decorated Vietnam combat veterans because of their Republican bias while the Vice-President of the United States requested and received multiple deferments from serving in Vietnam (he never served at all), yet fully supported other young men dying there?

Is it common sense that the man with the title of the President -- who went AWOL and some would call a deserter (if his father hadn't been a Texas Congressman) from flying plants from Texas to Florida -- would not renounce ads attacking a valiant Vietnam Veteran who volunteered to go into harm's way, nor ask his surrogate Republican-financed rabid crew of prevaricators and financiers to stop their unseemly dog and elephant show?

No, there's no common sense to it all.

In fact, it's positively Un-American, which is what is most tragically -- and perilously -- ironic about the Bush Administration. It portrays itself as unwaveringly patriotic, while it undermines democracy and the American way at every curve.

...Paul Krugman has talked with BuzzFlash.com about how the brazen mendaciousness of the Bush Administration is so flagrant that many Americans refuse to believe that their government could so fundamentally and openly betray them. In short, the Bush defiance of common sense becomes its own best vehicle for concealing its deceptiveness and dishonesty. It's day-to-day, hour-to-hour, minute-to-minute lying and contradictions are so audacious that the people with common sense don't believe that the President of the United States could actually countenance such behavior. So, they -- abetted by an enabling press that daily rescues Bush from his latest failure, faux pas, or deception -- believe that lies are truth.

Den,

#6 different source but . . .

I would not presume to say "great minds think alike" but the really good posts are always worth a second look.

capt

caroline, you accuse me of making insulting comments about Jewish people, assuring me you could bring up these comments if you felt like it, but you don't, so that accusation just hangs there. I respond that my criticism has ALWAYS been directed at extreme Zionism and the Israeli govt. and since you haven't refutted that statement I assumed that is what you considered insulting commentary aimed at Jewish people in general. Go back for the past two years and show me even one criticism I have EVER made about any religion or political group that was not directly aimed at those who practice a murderous agenda. Maybe capt or one of the other old timers here can remind me of something I have written to justify your accusation. I despise tyrants and murderers, I couldn't care less what their political or religious affiliations are, or what they claim to be. If you are going to post slanderous comments, you should be able to back them up. The anti-Jew remarks are pure bullshit, I should know whether I feel hate towards any group of people, unless you want to accuse me of being a liar now. Are Kathleen, Hajji, Carey, Gerald, Erling, capt, DEN, spy, eyes, uncledad, etc. also on your Jew insulting list as well? They have all made many comments about the murdering Israeli govt. as well as posting dozens of articles relating to that topic. Typical racists who have problems with one group or another are not shy about speaking their mind. My Jewish friends aren't in the least bit offended, but then, they know me well whereas you don't know me at all.

"Bush defiance of common sense becomes its own best vehicle for concealing its deceptiveness and dishonesty."

OMG that is what is spinning the minds that cannot question dear leader and his criminal enterprise. It is just too much for some to comprehend.

capt

This crooked bunch of neo-conartists has screwed up everything they have touched and they have touched everthing including the one organization that can keep us all alive and well.....the CDC

Critics say the agency is changing to a top-down management style that stifles science and that new layers of bureaucracy are being created that make agency operations more cumbersome.

The most visible sign of potential trouble at CDC is the loss of more than a dozen high-profile leaders and scientists since 2004. By the end of this year, all but two of the directors of CDC's eight primary scientific centers will have left the Atlanta-based federal agency. The wave of departures — which numerous CDC leaders call unprecedented — also includes the agency's top vaccine expert and world experts in several diseases. Just last week CDC's pandemic flu coordinator said he's leaving.

As the nation's 9-1-1 for public health, CDC is responsible for preventing and tackling outbreaks, bioterrorism and pandemics, along with the more routine, deadly threats of seasonal flu, HIV, rabies, injuries and obesity.

Is it time to send these PIRATE BASTARDS packing yet?

Saladin,

I'm here, just layin' low. Celebrated my much, much older Bro's 50th this weekend. Lotsa good beer and lower daytime temps, just in time.

Those lower temps, however, have reminded me of all the things I've been putting off until "it ain't so frickin' HOT"!

So repairs to the Goats' treehouse, some fence adjusting, coaxing your nemesis crabgrass to grow over the bare spots. Getting the chainsaw repaired so I can get serious about layin' in the winter wood.

All that on top of training a new girl to do what I do at the ER and workin' lotsa hours to fill the holes.

I came up empty at B&N and Waldenbooks when I looked for "HUBRIS" on Friday so I'll be in the "not read it, yet" category.

Oh, and the NFL season started for real.

Besides, what else could I possibly have to say, after 5 years of pointing out the lies to those who wouldn't know (or admit) the truth if it hit them with a 767?!

But thanks for thinking of me.

-T

Boy whata mondaY,!#128 LINKsign up or visit Huffpost for story. Dang!

Government pressure on networks is a tactic pioneered by the GOP

Bush supporters have spent the last several days expressing all sorts of shock and outrage that Democratic Senators would write to Disney to protest Path to 9/11 and insinuate that Disney's decision to allow ABC to be used as a partisan propaganda channel is inconsistent with Disney's obligations which are intrinsic to its right to use the public airways. Hugh Hewitt, for instance, proclaimed that Democrats have "reached a new basement," and solemnly frets that he "didn't think such a reprehensible action was possible in the era of robust First Amendment protections."

...And, of course, Republican efforts to demand that CBS cancel -- not change or alter, but cancel -- The Reagans was led not by private citizen groups or concerned bloggers, but by Ed Gillespie, in his official capacity as the Chairman of the Republican National Committee, at a time when that party controlled the entire executive branch and both houses of Congress. Gillespie filed a complaint with CBS officially on behalf of the RNC, and then went all over television objecting to the content of CBS' broadcast.

Objections directed to CBS came from this Republican Congressman and the RNC at exactly the time when CBS' parent company, Viacom, had critical matters pending before both the Republican-controlled Congress and executive agencies such as the FCC.

...Does one really need to wonder whether CBS understood the intended impact of the message from a Republican Congressman and the Chairman of the political party on whose fortunes it depended?

...Personally, I am not in favor of -- in fact, I strongly oppose -- Democratic political officials threatening ABC (although, as Greg Sargent points out, it is hardly clear, to put it mildly, that they did so in that letter). I think pressure on and protests against ABC over this mini-series ought to come from the public, not from the government or political officials.
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I'm not sure how I stand on this. If the Democrats hadn't spoken up they would have heard about it. They did and they're hearing about it. I'm getting sick of the game playing. I just want the truth.

I am so outraged that ABC would put such a piece of crap together and have it represent history regarding 9/11. I think of the people who lost their lives that day. I think of the families who have to live without those they loved. And ABC finds this project acceptable. HOW?

Jeanne, simple answer: The relentless pursuit of MONEY!

Tonight on C-Span I think at 10 Est. They will replay a press confrence for the release of 9/11 Press for truth.
The film was not picked up by a major studio, so this is the path they have chosen.
The people behind this film are the people that fought for the 9/11 investagation in the first place.
They say that 70% of their questions were not asked or anwsered and want congress to conduct a new and complete investagation. ( maybe this is the propaganda Bush was speaking about last week)

Those of you that don't buy the official story here is the starting point to at least get those questions asked,those questions that make you(US, ME) not belive what we were told. If you can, watch: spread the word about this film, and the plight of the family members that lost loved ones on 9/11, and Just want the questions asked and anwsered.

Palast Charged with Journalism in the First Degree September 11, 2006 by Greg Palast

It's true. It's weird. It's nuts. The Department of Homeland Security, after a five-year hunt for Osama, has finally brought charges against ÔøΩ Greg Palast. I kid you not. Send your cakes with files to the Air America wing at Guantanamo.
Though not just yet. Fatherland Security has informed me that television producer Matt Pascarella and I have been charged with unauthorized filming of a "critical national security structure" in Louisiana.
On August 22, for LinkTV and Democracy Now! we videotaped the thousands of Katrina evacuees still held behind a barbed wire in a trailer park encampment a hundred miles from New Orleans. It's been a year since the hurricane and 73,000 POW's (Prisoners of W) are still in this aluminum ghetto in the middle of nowhere. One resident, Pamela Lewis said, ÔøΩIt is a prison set-up" -- except there are no home furloughs for these inmates because they no longer have homes.
To give a sense of the full flavor and smell of the place, we wanted to show that this human parking lot, with kids and elderly, is nearly adjacent to the Exxon Oil refinery, the nation's second largest, a chemical-belching behemoth.
So we filmed it. Without Big Brother's authorization. Uh, oh. Apparently, the broadcast of these stinking smokestacks tipped off Osama that, if his assassins pose as poor Black folk, they can get a cramped Airstream right next to a "critical infrastructure" asset.
So now Matt and I have a "criminal complaint" lodged against us with the feds.
The positive side for me as a journalist is that I get to see our terror-busters in action. I should note that it took the Maxwell Smarts at Homeland Security a full two weeks to hunt us down.
Frankly, we were a bit scared that, given the charges, we wouldn't be allowed on a plane into New York last night. But what scared us more is that we were allowed on the plane.
Once I was traced, I had a bit of an other-worldly conversation with my would-be captors. Detective Frank Pananepinto of Homeland Security told us, "This is a 'Critical Infrastructure' and they get nervous about unauthorized filming of their property.
Well, me too, Detective. In fact, I'm very nervous that this potential chemical blast-site can be mapped in extreme detail at this Google Map location
What also makes me nervous is that the Bush Terror Terriers have kindly indicated on the Internet that this unprotected critical infrastructure can be targeted -- I mean located -- at 30ÔøΩ 29' 11" N Latitude and 91ÔøΩ 11' 39" W Longitude.
After I assured Detective Pananepinto, "I can swear to you that I'm not part of Al Qaeda," he confirmed that, "Louisiana is still part of the United States," subject to the first amendment and he was therefore required to divulge my accuser.
Not surprisingly, it was Exxon Corporation, one of a handful of companies not in love with my investigations. [See "A Well-Designed Disaster: the Untold Story of the Exxon Valdez."]
So I rang America's top petroleum pusher-men and asked their media relations honcho in Houston, Marc Boudreaux, a simple question. "Do you want us to go to jail or not? Is it Exxon's position that reporters should go to jail?" Because, all my dumb-ass jokes aside, that is what's at stake. And Exxon knew we were journalists because we showed our press credential to the Exxon guards at the refinery entrance.
The Exxon man was coy: "Well, we'll see what we can find outÔøΩ. Obviously it's important to national security that we have supplies from that refinery in the event of an emergency."
Really? According to the documents our team uncovered from the offices of Exxon's lawyer, Mr. James Baker, the oil industry is more than happy to see a limit on worldwide crude production. Indeed, the current squeeze has jacked the price of oil from $24 a barrel to $64 and refined products have jumped yet higher -- resulting in a record-busting profit for Exxon of nearly $1 billion per week.
So this silly "criminal complaint" has nothing to do with stopping Al Qaeda or keeping the oil flowing. It has everything to do with obstructing news reports in a way that no one would have dared attempt before the September 11 attack.
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An experiment for future "detainee" camps courtesy of dubya and halliburton? Paranoia, delusion? if only that were true. Maybe someone can convince these Katrina refugees that they are simply the victims of a mass govt. hallucination. And that bushco isn't in this for the profit, they really, really wuv us.

miker, thanks, I'll be watching it at 7PM Cali time. Hey Hajji! I had a feeling you were just lurking. Great last line.

WE THE CATTLE

Five years of the 911.
Five years of the War on Humanity.
Five years the same known criminals continue to kill.
Five years the same known criminals still govern the United States of America.
Five years the same known criminals terrorize the world.
Five years we cowardly let it all happen.
We the cattle.

i didn't vote for bush in '04. moo.

Cattle or chattel we are treated like mushrooms by the people that mislead us while they line their overstuffed pockets with our money. Then the same sob's send our troops into harms way on the cheap?

Grrrrrrrr.

capt

Big secret the thugs in DC do not want anyone to know: THE OIL COMPANIES ARE IN CHARGE! SHHH!

9/11: Debunking The Myths
PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

Driven To Distracton
BY JAY LENO

Just try and keep your eyes on the road and your hands on the wheel in some of the rolling tech rooms that pose as cars these days.

As I was driving down the freeway recently, I watched an SUV in front of me drift out of its lane, off the road and down an embankment. I stopped, ran to it and saw two young women inside, apparently okay. There was music blaring and something was on the navigation screen.

This happened on a straight road, on a sunny day, without much traffic. And I thought how much safer I was, driving in my 50-year-old Jaguar XK120--with no side windows, no radio, no distractions--than these women were in their new truck with its ABS, airbags and other modern tech.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/sub_coll_leno/2847426.html

`Mega Oil Conspiracy', of course! For the Cornuts!

Seriously, IF it's a conspiracy, how come Happy me predicted this drop when I advised spy & Tim to hold up buying on oil stocks? IF you know the oil industry and fundamentals, you can generally `predict' how the `conspirators' will FAIL in keeping prices high or SUCCEED in pushing prices higher (Geopolitics are the wild cards)!

Oil slips below $66
September 11 2006: 4:18 PM EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Oil prices fell on Monday after OPEC agreed to keep pumping at high rates to ensure world consumers were well supplied despite a 20 percent slide in prices since mid-July.

U.S. light crude for October delivery settled down 64 cents at $65.61 a barrel, rebounding from an intraday low of $64.85, the lowest since March 28.

Iran's offer to halt temporarily its atomic work also pressured the market, as did robust fuel stocks and a sluggish hurricane season. Oil's six-day fall is its longest losing streak in nearly three years.

...."Market fundamentals are very sound," he told reporters. "We are beginning to see a slight decrease in economic growth, very slight.... It is nothing alarming."

Some analysts predicted that prices have peaked....

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Tompaine.com links to an article about the IMF report stating that the US should raise gas taxes. Note: the IMF!

I agree. Add about another $3.00 per gallon. Use the proceeds to help pay off the federal debt.

But more: Excess profits taxes on the big oil companies, carbon taxes...

Tax burning fossil fuel!

Ert Coleb-

As usual you have no answer to the truth, so you DEFLECT, DISTRACT, and DISTORT.....

Chainey did not read the report. We know that Bush doesn't read. Rummie is a true dummie. Mushroom Cloud Rice walks with her nose in the air showing off her new booths and trying to look stylish.

Yes, we are treated like mushrooms. We are kept in the dark and fed shit!!!

What I love about Nazi America is that we are so transparent as a nation. The lies told to Nazi Americans are so blatant and obvious.

Okay, so we've noticed that the Bush Administration is lying to us, and probably to themselves, about the War on Terror...What I want to know is what these non-builders and looters who claim to be acting in our best interests are after. Does this whole thing really boil down to oil and influence?

I want any truth that's out there about what the Bush folks are gaining, and what the real aim of their incredibly muddy actions are. I have the sinking feeling that the terror we ought to be fighting is right here at home.

Any enlightenment welcome,
Net Owl.

"I agree. Add about another $3.00 per gallon. Use the proceeds to help pay off the federal debt."

Dr. Benson, that doesn't make any sense! Let the slackers at the top that got all the tax relief pay off the damned debt. As for raising taxes on gas? That won't stop people from driving. They have to get to work, the store, to grandma's house and they don't have jobs that pay a million bucks a year.

“So why is Cheney still holding up Zarqawi as evidence that Baghdad was in cahoots with Osama bin Laden?”

Hell I don’t know, didn’t Georgie boy just admit in a press briefing that saddam had nothing to do with 9-11? It seems even with Karl, Tony, Joshua, and Condi they still can’t seem to get the message straight. If you like, check this article out. It has some great perspective on the whole buildup to this “war” on terror. Interestingly enough I read this article a few weeks ago (My wife subscribes to this excellent left wing rag), I’m sure it was written before the latest “Nazi sympathizer” rational had appeared regularly in the press from Bu$hco’s ministry of fear. Great article I highly recommend reading it.

As 9/11 slips past its 5th anniversary we still mourn for the 3,000 who lost their lives on that day.

Many of us also mourn for the 3,000 americans who have lost their lives in Afghanistan and Iraq pursuing the Neocon's agenda of oil, gas, military expense and war.

What any of the 6,000 died for we may never really know. I know my nephew could have his name on that list tomorrow. I know my son is headed for Kosovo in a month.

I know I have the blood of a million Iraqi's on my hands. And I know that nearly 20 million muslims have been killed, most of them children, in the past 25 years in one conflict or another areound the globe.

I know that most of them died in the same lands hit by the Indian Ocean Tsunami at Christmas two years ago.

And I know that another 5 million Americans have died since 9/11/01. Many from smoking, many from our health care system, some from our lack of a health care system. Some from the ordinary dangers of our society, like driving and drinking, smoking, toking, listening, arguing, speeding and phoning that we do in our cars. Some from deadly toxins. 5 or 6 from Anthrax. But most from things that our government supports and condones.

And I know that even though a terrorist could attack the US at any moment with absolutely no resistance from the DHS, the chances of it hitting me are less than the chance that I am struck by lightning on the 6th anniversay of 9/11.

What I don't know is why people believe Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice and their gang of thugs.

What I don't know is why we don't help the muslims throw off the despots that are keeping them downtrodden worldwide, in places like Suadi Arabia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo, Chechnia, Moscow, London and Hamburg. It seems that this is the war on terror that would reap mankind the most benefit. But then I did list it in what I don't know. Could it be that they throw stones and send suicide bombs because they don't have a trillion dollars to spend on their friends for defense items.

So if George Bush began his rule of terror on 9/12/01 lets recognise 9/12/06 as the day we do something to stop the war of terror he is waging on the people of the world, because we all agree, it ain't workin his way.

Carol, by all means soak the rich! But if gas is expensive enough, people will turn to public transportation, which is MUCH more efficient. Or maybe they'll arrange not to travel so much. Both of these have already been noticed during the year-long gas price run up.

Some words from Pope Benedict XVI on his pilgrimage to Germany!

"Social issues and the Gospel are inseparable."

The Pontiff added: "The people of Africa and Asia admire our scientific and technical prowess but at the same time they are frightened by a form of rationality which totally excludes God from man's vision, as if this were the highest form of reason, and one to be imposed on their cultures too.

"They do not see the real threat to their identity in the Christian faith, but in the contempt for God and the cynicism that considers mockery of the sacred to be an exercise of freedom and that holds up utility as the supreme moral criterion for the future of scientific research."

Benedict XVI continued: "This cynicism is not the kind of tolerance and cultural openness that the world's peoples are looking for and that all of us want.

"The tolerance which we urgently need includes the fear of God -- respect for what others hold sacred demands that we ourselves learn once more the fear of God."

"We impose this faith upon no one," the Pope observed. "Such proselytism is contrary to Christianity. Faith can develop only in freedom. But we do appeal to the freedom of men and women to be open to God, to seek him, to hear his voice."

Be opened

"The world needs God. We need God, but what God?" the Pontiff asked. "The definitive explanation is to be found in the one who died on the Cross: in Jesus, the Son of God incarnate ... love to the end.

"This is the God we need. We do not fail to show respect for other religions and cultures, profound respect for their faith, when we proclaim clearly and uncompromisingly the God who encounters violence with his own suffering; who in the face of the power of evil exalts his mercy, in order that evil may be limited and overcome."

Dr. Benson, not everyone lives in an urban area. I don't. We live 6 miles from our little village of 1,100 and 25 miles from Lansing where the stores are.

Carol and David, raising gas prices only kicks the poor in the face. I live in Michigan and there ain't mass transit and never will be. The rich don't care how much it costs, they drive their kids to the bus stop and wait for the bus with the SUV running. The don't shut off the engine when they they go into Starbucks. Balance the budget?

It was balanced until this gang of suckcockers took over the country and canceled taxes on the rich and forced us into spending trillions for nothing.

Since 1865 oil has been $20 per barrel. Except for during the Iran/Iraq war, the Iraq war and the coming Iran war. During those times it spiked to $76 per barrel. And now it is dropping. Explain that to me because I'm stupid.

Right, BTW where are those MILITARY persons that were suppose to corroborate the .98 cent novel?

Still waiting on that, eh? (Morris never served so it cannot be him so who is it? Can you back anything you spew?

Talk about not addressing stuff and trying to change the subject.

Link me to it? I have been waiting for days.

capt

Douglas Barber fought in Iraq.

All is not okay or right for those of us who return home alive and supposedly well. What looks like normalcy and readjustment is only an illusion to be revealed by time and torment. Some soldiers come home missing limbs and other parts of their bodies. Still others will live with permanent scars from horrific events that no one other than those who served will ever understand.

- Douglas Barber, 2005

Carol & geof01, somehow, every village in Germany, Switzerland, Scotland, ... has public transportation, even on Sunday. I'm sure it can be arranged here, but it does take some organizing.

Those who live some distance from stores need to organize to take fewer trips. It is possible. In the old days, not so long ago actually, the people of Easter Island had but two mailships per year, and nothing else. So to order something required planning more than 6 months in advance. It is possible...

And NECESSARY!

It's almost 9 o'clock. Time for more lies wrapped in freedom talk.

geof01, reading "Out of Gas" will help you to understand another aspect of the coming future. We have just had a taste of it with the recent gas price increase.

#154 geof01, gas prices are dropping because it's about 8 weeks to the midterm elections. That's the reason!!!!!

How Gas Prices Work

Gasoline is the bloodline that keeps America moving. Our personal vehicles alone guzzle 65 billion gallons of gasoline and diesel fuel each year, and that number is projected to increase by 2.6 percent each year.

Tracking gas prices can feel like a roller coaster ride. They're down a little one month, up the next, before shooting up more than 50 percent in a year. Plus, they're different depending on where you look. Other countries, and even other states and cities, can have very different gas prices from your local Gas-N-Go. To the average person, it probably seems as though there's little rhyme or reason to how gas prices are determined. In this article, we will look at the forces that impact the price of gas at the pump, and we'll find out where your gas money actually goes.

Americans have an insatiable thirst for gasoline, and with sport-utility vehicles (SUVs) continually growing in popularity we are only getting thirstier. Just look at the roads and highways and you'll see that a severe gas shortage would practically cripple the country. Americans drive more than 2.5 trillion miles per year in automobiles, light trucks and SUVs, according to a MEMA report. That's equal to 14,000 round trips to the sun. Today, we drive almost twice as much as we did in 1980 (1.5 trillion miles).

More HERE

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I am looking for a piece I read just a day or two back that showed how we actually pay more for the product than many European countries, they pay more in taxes.

We could pay the same per gallon by shifting the product cost versus the tax cost. The oil companies portion should not be higher than in European countries and we could split the difference by increasing the tax.

The oil companies have had a windfall profit since Bush removed the $2 per barrel profit cap at the refineries. The $2 per barrel was suppose to be replaced with a 3-5 dollar profit cap. Instead he removed the law that capped at $2 and the profit at the refinery has now hit over ten times ($20 per barrel PROFIT) with no cap and no end in sight.

capt

In 2001 President Bush and his newly appointed aides had ample warning, including a briefing paper titled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.,” and they failed to take it seriously enough, but their missteps are not equal. It’s like focusing blame for a school shooting at the beginning of the school year on the student’s new home room teacher; the adults who watched the boy torment classmates and poison small animals knew better

http://tinyurl.com/zfrml

Dr. Benson, good for Europe, they're good at a lot of things, but no one here has organized public transportation. This county has been all about the car. Raising the gas tax by $3 a gallon doesn't solve the problem, it just soaks the poor. We peasants can't change anything and shouldn't be insulted further by more gouging.

People who live some distance from stores need to organize, take fewer trips. Hmmm. Do you think you could get the American people to do anything en masse on their own? That's why we have a government, and laws. People need direction. Amtrak being expanded would be nice, but only the government could do that. Buses running everywhere? You'd need some businessman or corporation to build that system. Average people have nothing but their car to depend on and that's that.

Say, we could use a national health care, too, but don't hold your breath. The government we have isn't interested in improving the American people's lives or improving anything of merit. We're just plain doomed.

#162:

Funny how you equate bu$hco to the new home room teacher, are you insinuating that bu$hco is the terrorist's teacher? Great angle, never seen it put so eloquently.

164-

I GUESS YOUR READING SKILLS ARE THE SAME AS YOUR POETRY....THOSE ARE NOT MY WORDS

the adults who watched the boy torment classmates and poison small animals knew better-AKA THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.

1001,1002,1003,1004,1005,1006,1007,1008,1009,1010:
poof!
10 seconds to poof!

so has anybody even tried to locate the upper 5/8 of wtc2 that seems to be MIA in that revealing photo of poof!? here's a hint: most of it didn't return until days later.

#164

“I GUESS YOUR READING SKILLS ARE THE SAME AS YOUR POETRY....THOSE ARE NOT MY WORDS”

Generally when quoting someone else’s writings one should use “quotation” marks. But I can surmise from your post that you believe bu$hco was the new “home room teacher”. Or are you completely plagiarizing your posts?

Howdy Capt!

167- I LINKED THE ARTICEL:
http://tinyurl.com/zfrml

Casualties in Afghanistan & Iraq
AT LEAST 268,013 KILLED, 565,756 SERIOUSLY INJURED

About 4 times as many Afghans and 85 times as many Iraqis have been killed in these wars and occupations than the 2,973 people who were killed in the ghastly attacks of September 11, 2001.

More than six times as many people have been killed in these wars and occupations, than the 43,122 people killed in all terrorist attacks worldwide since 1968.

www.unknownnews.org/casualties.html

“I LINKED THE ARTICEL”
Generally the word is spelled Article? But again I must congratulate you on the never before heard angle that bu$hco is the "new home room teacher" for the terrorists. Although you may want to be a little more discrete, you know that "terrorist surveillance program" and all.

171-

DIDNT KNOW THAT I WAS TALKING TO A TERRORIST OVER SEA'S, AND IF I AM I HOPE THEY CATCH YOU.

"I must congratulate you on the never before heard angle that bu$hco is the "new home room teacher" for the terrorists"

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU STILL HAVE NOT READ THE LINK, AND THRERFORE NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE ANALOGY, BUT IF IT HELPS YOU TO LIVE IN YOUR DELUSIONS,...KEEP BELIVING.

How do I make a hyperlink?

A link is done with something called the Anchor tag.

The anchor tag looks like this:

 <A HREF="pagename.html">Link Here</A>

Anything that appears between the begin and end anchor tags will take you to the specified destination when clicked.

Format tags are as follows

 <B>BOLD TEXT</B>

 <I>ITALIC TEXT</I>

If you use "preview" you can see your formats and test your links by a "right click" then "open in new window". If it works the new window will open with your linked page.

*****

If any of the above gives you a hard time or if you cannot get the results you want, drop me an email. I will help where I can.

You provided a URL (Universal Resource Locator) not a link. A link for the BS you posted would look like: (I inserted the NYT title as display text)

 <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/zfrml">Laying Blame and Passing the Buck, Dramatized</A>

Or you could use the actual NYT's URL as a long URL is not a problem when LINKED.

Also it is "article" - I can help you with a spellchecker too if you like.

Still waiting for your corroboration or should I assume the crud you posted about the $0.98 cent novel from 2002 is still waiting for what the BS author wrote about "other military that cannot corroborate because they are still in the military" - that is what you posted, no?

capt

Uncledad whatz up musicman?

#126, Saladin:
"Are Kathleen, Hajji, Carey, Gerald, Erling, capt, DEN, spy, eyes, uncledad, etc. also on your Jew insulting list as well?"

Excellent post Saladin. A heart felt response to a troll. I hope she understood it. Thanks for mentioning me among such "Corn" stalwarts, even if I was mentioned last. :)

8:25p pacifica - only 3 1/2 hours left of this national bushco holyday, patriot day!
3 1/2 more hours of my haranguement towards the rest of you dwarfs -
for instance; did you know that on the morning of 9/11/01 mohammed atta and his posse of incredibly lucky individuals accidently left not 1, nor 2, but 3 of their 4 arabic copies of how to fly a 757/767 behind where the authorities would immediately find them? (property of mohammed atta!)
despite this no doubt embarrassing turn of events, atta & sons allegedly managed to expertly pilot their highjacked invisible blob-looking 767 into the wtc1 @ 8:46:23a.

I wanted to be last - I will trade you?

(anti-social tendencies)

HA!

capt

Ert Coleb- As usual you have no answer to the truth, so you DEFLECT, DISTRACT, and DISTORT.....
Posted by: Tre Beloc at September 11, 2006 08:11 PM

Poor Tre blows a gasket over an article by Jay Leno. It's a publi safety issue. What's your problem?

The hunt

Armies have been mobilised, phones tapped, huge rewards offered - yet Osama bin Laden is still at liberty. Does anyone even have the faintest idea where he is? Declan Walsh investigates

To find Osama bin Laden, try Peshawar's smugglers' bazaar on the road to the Khyber Pass. Walk past the small mountains of almonds and lemongrass and green tea. Turn at the stacks of duty-free TVs and cheap cosmetics. Stop at the stalls with the topless women. Down a cramped alley, bearded shopkeepers squeezed behind tiny counters offer a fine selection of fanciful sex products. "Delay sprays" carry the promise of lingering pleasure. For the discerning lover there is Lovely Curves, a product that claims to be a "bust-developing cream". If all else fails, there is plenty of knock-off Viagra at knock-down prices. Worry not about the quality: "Made is Germany" (sic) reads the label.

The merchandise hidden under the glass counters, however, caters to a different kind of thrill. For a discreet inquiry and 75p, the smiling traders offer a wide selection of jihadi DVDs. Slickly edited footage shows beheadings of alleged collaborators, bombs that flip American Humvees into the air, and the last words of suicide bombers. And then there are the images of the lanky Saudi tycoon's son with a bad back, a scraggly beard and a placid, dead-fish glare. "I've sold about 100 since Friday," says Abdul at one of the stalls, sifting through a stack of discs. "Some ask for [Afghan militant] Gulbuddin. Some ask for Taliban. Some ask for Osama."

The sheikh, the director, the emir, even "the Samaritan" - Bin Laden violently changed the course of our world in 2001, and then began his own audacious flight from justice. Six days after the twin towers folded into Manhattan, while dazed Americans fumbled for meaning, President George Bush promised to lasso in the al-Qaida leader, Texan style. "There's an old poster out west, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: dead or alive'," he told a press conference at the Pentagon. The order went down the line. Cofer Black, the CIA's counterterrorism chief, later told a subordinate, "I want Bin Laden's head shipped back in a box filled with dry ice." Yet five years on, a pokey video stand on the Pakistani frontier is about as close as anyone has got.

More HERE

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The only thing Bunnypants has been able to accomplish with his bluster, fake cowboy, arrogance "Dead or alive" BS is make the guy he accused (but has not even charged) of being a mass murderer on American soil is to turn OBL into a middle eastern pop-rock star and the end of late night comedy one liners.

We need someone that knows what the heck they are doing and it is not president Cheney.

The fact is the ONLY guy that has ever giving any meaningful intelligence was caught by the Clinton WH.

Like it or not the buck stops at the president DURING those years of his term. Make any claim about Clinton you like, he was NOT the president on whose watch the terrible terrorist attacks happen. That belong to Bush for all time, into the pages of every history book ever written.

You can take that to the bank! The BS bush claims about catching the worlds most clever terrorist makes Bunnypants and his cronies look like just more of that BU__SH__ lies and crass wannbe tough guy crud you always hear from cowards and blow-hards trying hard to make up for their small . . . um . . stuff, you know?

capt

“KEEP BELIVING”

See again that word is normally spelled “Believing”. And it looks like Capt, has provided you a lesson for more efficient linking technology. You see, if you paste something without a valid “html” link, then it doesn’t turn blue! And if it doesn’t turn blue than I am responsible for pasting “said address” into my browser. And if I paste “said address” into my “browser” than I will have to answer to the “internets” police. And based on some of the whacked out crap that you have written ”here”, I don’t trust you. So if you have something you want us to read than link it.

4 seconds in the life of "gravity"
sir isaac newton would be ecstatic.

(been sipping some mocha caramel cream liquor)

Can you tell?

HA!

I will not correct my mistakes because the mistakes are perpetual and infinite.

capt

#177 Capt "I wanted to be last - I will trade you?"

You know on second thought, I kind of like being last. Didn't you read my bio

From Billmon on 911:
The Sixteen Acre Ditch

the United States is moving down the curve of imperial decay at an amazingly rapid clip. If anything, the speed of our descent appears to be accelerating.

The physical symptoms -- a lost war, a derelict city, a Potemkin memorial hastily erected in an vacant lot -- aren't nearly as alarming as the moral and intellectual paralysis that seems to have taken hold of the system. The old feedback mechanisms are broken or in deep disrepair, leaving America with an opposition party that doesn't know how (or what) to oppose, a military run by uniformed yes men, intelligence czars who couldn't find their way through a garden gate with a GPS locator, TV networks that don't even pretend to cover the news unless there's a missing white woman or a suspected child rapist involved, and talk radio hosts who think nuking Mecca is the solution to all our problems in the Middle East. We've got think tanks that can't think, security agencies that can't secure and accounting firms that can't count (except when their clients ask them to make 2+2=5). Our churches are either annexes to shopping malls, halfway homes for pederasts, or GOP precinct headquarters in disguise. Our economy is based on asset bubbles, defense contracts and an open-ended line of credit from the People's Bank of China, and we still can't push the poverty rate down or the median wage up.

I could happily go on, but I imagine you get my point.

[Read the rest]

In the same vein, Olbermann on 9-11 and the chimperial failures of the White House:
This hole in the ground

...(Of) all the things those of us who were here five years ago could have forecast -- of all the nightmares that unfolded before our eyes, and the others that unfolded only in our minds -- none of us could have predicted this.

Five years later this space is still empty. Five years later there is no memorial to the dead. Five years later there is no building rising to show with proud defiance that we would not have our America wrung from us, by cowards and criminals.

Five years later this country's wound is still open. Five years later this country's mass grave is still unmarked. Five years later this is still just a background for a photo-op.

It is beyond shameful.

At the dedication of the Gettysburg Memorial -- barely four months after the last soldier staggered from another Pennsylvania field -- Mr. Lincoln said, "we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract."

Lincoln used those words to immortalize their sacrifice.

Today our leaders could use those same words to rationalize their reprehensible inaction. "We cannot dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground." So we won't.

...Five years later, Mr. Bush, we are still fighting the terrorists on these streets. And look carefully, sir, on these 16 empty acres. The terrorists are clearly, still winning.

And, in a crime against every victim here and every patriotic sentiment you mouthed but did not enact, you have done nothing about it.

And there is something worse still than this vast gaping hole in this city, and in the fabric of our nation. There is its symbolism of the promise unfulfilled, the urgent oath, reduced to lazy execution.

...History teaches us that nearly unanimous support of a government cannot be taken away from that government by its critics. It can only be squandered by those who use it not to heal a nation's wounds, but to take political advantage.

Terrorists did not come and steal our newly-regained sense of being American first, and political, fiftieth. Nor did the Democrats. Nor did the media. Nor did the people.

The President -- and those around him -- did that.

...The polite phrase for how so many of us were duped into supporting a war, on the false premise that it had 'something to do' with 9/11 is "lying by implication."

The impolite phrase is "impeachable offense."

...Not once in now five years has this President ever offered to assume responsibility for the failures that led to this empty space, and to this, the current, curdled, version of our beloved country.

...When those who dissent are told time and time again -- as we will be, if not tonight by the President, then tomorrow by his portable public chorus -- that he is preserving our freedom, but that if we use any of it, we are somehow un-American...When we are scolded, that if we merely question, we have "forgotten the lessons of 9/11"... look into this empty space behind me and the bi-partisanship upon which this administration also did not build, and tell me:

Who has left this hole in the ground?

We have not forgotten, Mr. President.

You have.

May this country forgive you.

Read it all. I recommend it highly.

"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."
~ Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke, February 5, 1675

#175 Yes, I understood it. And you verified it. And because you bring it up again, no, I don't lump all of those listed together. Most of those who Saladin listed have never given me the impression of being anti-Jew, or anti-Semitic.

It is quite amusing, though disappointing, how you and your ilk stereotype and label people, while claiming to be open-minded.

So, I am a troll, you say. It appears by your "accusation" that the definition of "troll" is: a person who has a dissenting, or divergent, point of view than his/her accuser.

I wonder if David Corn views you as a stalwart. Ah, yes, that vigor of mind and spirit of a true stalwart permeates your posts. "Corn stalwart" indeed. I would be laughing, if it didn't make me cry.

9/11: The "terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event" as it was later described by CentCom Commander General Tommy Franks, served to galvanize public opinion in support of a war agenda which was already in its final planning stage.

The tragic events of 9/11 provided the required justification to wage a war on "humanitarian grounds", with the full support of World public opinion and the endorsement of the "international community".

oh did someone say PNAC?

#185,

Great stuff!

Uncledad I had not read your bio. Also good stuff and interesting.

I hate to be a Captian Kiss butt - but I swear this blog has some darn good post (and posters).

You all rock. I do not always agree - who does, but I read stuff here starting with what Mr. Corn posts then the others and I always come away better informed about stuff or made to wonder about other stuff. That is all good.

Thank you all

capt

Don't cry Caroline.

Cornuts did not watch the `Path to 9/11'. I watched both nights. It was a good-to-excellent recap beginning w/the `93 WTC attack. For informed viewers, it was a balanced movie as a whole! If someone just watched tonight's 2 hours, then I'd say Bushco supporters would've been `discomfited'. In a nutshell, except for the grunts on the ground & situation control rooms, no high-level politicos took global terrorism seriously until 9/11/01.

I see my piece on oil's worst slide in some years set off some discussions....well and good. Folks, just because you are uber Lis, does NOT mean that you must jump to some grand conspiracy theories when prices rise. I have repeatedly pointed out the net profit margins of Big Oil is downright low and furthermore, investing in their stocks are high-risk....Did you know that the S&P 500 has an average P/E ratio of around 16~17 while Big Oil is down around 10 (Exxon)?

One big reason is investors' lack of confidence that the Exxons can replenish their Reserve Base now that most of the world's oil are off-limit to them. So in some real sense, their stocks are `liquidating' if they can NOT replace their Reserves at least as fast as they are pumping them out. Though their stocks are high risk, commodity-product plays, logical, informed and disciplined investors can consistently beat the money managers. I deal with my own money and I beat the `follow-the-herd' managers of other peoples' money almost at every market turn!

There is No Conspiracy UNLESS you think little ole Happy is the Darth Vader manipulator! Hahahaha....

"Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy."

~ Isaac Newton

#172 Trebloc wrote "THRERFORE", "KEEP BELIVING"

The way I avoid embarrassing misspellings is I sometimes write my posts in word and spell check them before I actually post them. Of course this will only correct grammatical errors. If your post isn’t based in sound logic and verifiable sources than your on your own. Incorrectly spelling ignorant does not change the meaning.

"I do not know what I may appear to the world; but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me."

~ Isaac Newton, From Brewster, Memoirs of Newton (1855)

150 amen.

#188 Capt! right back at ya. except for the butt kissing stuff?

A personal observation, the greatest people on the planet - those recognized as great minds, great thinkers, the great scientists and such are also usually some of the most humble.

On my poor spelling and unintelligable blah-blah-blah? I have relied on spellcheckers for so long I have forgotten how to fly without that safety net.

I will compose in MS-Word (version 95 HA!) or in the comments section then copy/paste into Word to check for mistakes and am always a little surprised (and pleased) if I spelled everything correctly.

That never has helped when I correctly spell the incorrect word but I figure the message gets across or people would ask what I mean. Most of the time you all are kind enough to go with the flow. I do pick on the regressives once in while it is a little fun but most of the time I end up feeling petty myself so I try to post about stuff or positive things.

capt

"Discourtesy does not spring merely from one bad quality, but from several--from foolish vanity, from ignorance of what is due to others, from indolence, from stupidity, from distraction of thought, from contempt of others, from jealousy."

~ Jean de la Bruyere (1645 - 1696)

caroline:

Don't sweat it! uncledad has already shown his "open mindedness" when he took offense at David's promoting his new book on HIS own blog (though he did half-ass apologize).

I applaud you, and carol, for speaking up by pointing out the illiberal hypocracies. Look at it this way, if Corn `stalwarts' can't self-police fellow Nuts, why do they expect Congress or the Bush Admin. can self-police?

And what's really funny & idiotic is that everybody is anonymous; certainly all of you to me and I to all of you.

The person you had the tiff with is just delusional in claiming she is not anti-Jewish. One of her constant targets is AIPAC....is that in Israel? No, but they are Jewish (and Americans)! Does she ever espouse `predcitions' that recognize Jews' historical right to Palestine? Has she ever given any signs of awareness that the Palestinians have been cursed with lousy leaders and tragically used as pawns by outside Islamic powers?

Exactly 5 years w/out attacks! Come On, Everyone, that's a good thing! Goodnight.

On Words:

"The whole problem can be stated quite simply by asking, 'Is there a meaning to music?' My answer would be, 'Yes.' And 'Can you state in so many words what the meaning is?' My answer to that would be, 'No.' ~ Aaron Copland (1900 - 1990)

"Antonym, n.: The opposite of the word you're trying to think of." ~ Unknown

"Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'safe' that I wasn't previously aware of." ~ Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), Arthur Dent in "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"

"The last time somebody said, 'I find I can write much better with a word processor.', I replied, 'They used to say the same thing about drugs.'" ~ Roy Blount Jr.

"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug." ~ Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

"What's another word for Thesaurus?" ~ Steven Wright (1955 -

Since 1865 oil has been $20 per barrel. Except for during the Iran/Iraq war, the Iraq war and the coming Iran war. During those times it spiked to $76 per barrel. And now it is dropping. Explain that to me because I'm stupid.
Posted by: geof01 at September 11, 2006 08:41 PM

The Carlylse Group. Look it up.

Fresh thread

#196 capt:

"On my poor spelling and unintelligible blah-blah-blah? I have relied on spellcheckers for so long I have forgotten how to fly without that safety net."

Capt. my grammatical mockery is not directed at you? It was and is directed at the
troll: Treblockhead!

#186 Caroline wrote:
"#175 Yes, I understood it. And you verified it."

Good I'm glad you got something out of "bushlies.com". Come back now, sooner than LAter. Although I think you may have misused the word "ilk". The proper use would have been: him and his "ilk", or her and his "ilk", or possibly it and it's "ilk". :) You using the word “ilk”, you are doing exactly what you accuse us “cornnut’s” of: “stereotype and label people, while claiming to be open-minded.” Why are you here? Please try to be relevent, and not so circular.

#198 The endless Happy at something, wrote :"(though he did half-ass apologize)." It was more of a #$@#&^%. Your right I did half ass apologize, but at least I spelled it right. Thanks for noticing.

#198 Happy to caroline, caroline, carol:

"And what's really funny & idiotic is that everybody is anonymous; certainly all of you to me and I to all of you."

I don't consider myself anonymous
(thanks for correct spelling, finally), do you. You may be anonymous in your postings tonight, but everything you say is recorded. See this is a weblog, commonly referred to as a "blog". An owner (David Corn) allows you to post your thoughts without censorship, but it is anything but anonymous. You may not know who we are, but that doesn't mean we don't know who you are?

Alan, You are going to have to get your little fingers busy and do your own research,

Ok, we're back home after being out with friends.
DEN, I see you choose not to back up you earlier post today about Israelis with explosive residue in their van. Honestly, I'm not surprised at that outcome. I've always enjoyed your posts, but this time I'm afraid you extended yourself too far. Good luck next time my friend.

David, there are too many responses to go through to comment on all of them, but I love your first comment, to the effect of: "Cheney, and his running mate." Translation, if you'll induldge me: "Cheney, who believes himself to be President, Exhaulted Ruler and Impotentate of the Known and Unknown Universe, and his pet chimp . . ."

'Nuff said.

A retired Marine colonel with a brother, son and nephew in Iraq recently put it best. These guys did it their way when they went into Iraq. If they had succeeded, they would've been tripping over each other to take the credit, and justifiably so. But they did it their way and they failed. He didn't say failing, he said failed. What do they do? They point fingers at the anti-war people and the Democrats. They refuse to look in the mirror and take the blame for what they failed to do. I don't debate that this war is a very serious undertaking, it is. Iargue that this isn't the time for arrogant cowards to be leading us. And the Republican Congress. They continue going about their pig at a trough, business as usual ways. Congress has always been that way, say their GOP defenders. Yes,but there's 1big difference between then and now. We're at war now, remember? Don't you think that they'd lift their snouts and smell the air and quit enriching themselves with earmarks and spitting on working Americans by tying the minumum wage with the estate tax. Nope, not the party of patriotism. This colonel, a devout conservative, stated definitively that he hoped that every Republican up for election was stomped into the ground. I would have a lot more faith in the intelligence of my fellow Americans if his wish came true.

Tim Russert's interview with Cheney came up short! While Russert hammered away at Cheney's statements prior to the invasion. Russert gave Cheney plenty of space to continue to set the stage for a U.s. military strike in Iran.

When Cheney said that Iran has nuclear weapons Russert did not challenge him at all. He did not say "where is the verifiable evidence, the proof" Russert said "How can we stop them"

Russert did not serve the public, truth, or the facts. In that moment he did just what many in the media did before the invasion of Iraq...HE ROLLED OVER. Where were the tough questions at that moment?

Posted by: kathleen at September 11, 2006 08:39 AM

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The transcript of the Cheney interview is at "Meet the Press". Check out this statement by Cheney and then Russert's response.

Cheney... "And by this point, especially with Ahmadinejad living next door in Iran, pursuing nuclear weapons, there’≥ no doubt in my mind that if Saddam Hussein was still in power, would have a very robust program under way to try to do exactly the same thing. The world is better off because Saddam Hussein is in jail instead of in power in Baghdad. It was the right thing to do and if we had it to do over again, we’§ do exactly the same thing.

MR. RUSSERT: Exactly the same thing?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yes, sir."

#Russert is a weeney. Russert did not serve the people the truth or is profession at this moment, he served the Bush administrations agenda. He did not challenge him once not once on the claims being repeated about Iran.

Deja Vu folks Deja Vu.

Posted by: kathleen at September 11, 2006 08:51 AM

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Wow and just look at how tough Russert was on Cheney about the finding of the 9/11 commission. Pitiful

"MR. RUSSERT: But the Commission on 9/11 says that we get D’≥ and F’≥.

People with...

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well...

MR. RUSSERT: People with radios in police departments can’¥—©n D.C. cannot talk to Alexandria. Four-fifths of the mayors say they can’¥ communicate with their localities. People can’¥ carry toothpaste and shampoo on planes. The administration cut $6 million—Ør tried to—Øut of funding to screen those kind of things...

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Tim...

MR. RUSSERT: ...and—≤ather than spending the money in Iraq."

Could you get any more tough Tim?

Posted by: kathleen at September 11, 2006 08:54 AM

Now here is the whopper! This is Russert's line of quesitioning on Iran.

"MR. RUSSERT: And we’re back with the vice president of the United States, Dick Cheney. Let me show you what Mr. Khatami from Iran, visiting the United States, had to say and read it to you and our viewers.

“Üormer Iranian President Mohammad Khatami warned that U.S. military action in the Middle East has backfired, producing greater terrorism, imperiling the future of Iraq and damaging America’≥ long-term interests.

“Çut the danger of even great instability in the region will ultimately prevent the U.S. from launching military strikes against Iran over disputes about its nuclear intentions, he predicted. ...

ҁmerica will not make theӠsame ҭistake of attacking Iran. ... Iran is not Iraq.ӠIs he right?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, we certainly understand Iran is not Iraq. I’m not sure I would agree with much of what else he said. Obviously, we’re concerned about what Iran is up to. We think their pursuit of enrichment capability that would allow them ultimately to produce nuclear weapons is fundamentally a problem for that part of the world. That’s a view shared by most of our friends in the international community.

MR. RUSSERT: How do you stop them?"

HOW DO WE STOP THEM? HOW DO WE STOP THEM? THIS IS AS MUCH JOURNALISTIC MUSTER THAT RUSSERT CAN COME UP WITH?

Tim here are just a few suggestions for questions for Cheney and the repeated comments made about Iran's "alleged" I repeat "alleged" pursuit of nuclear weapons.

1. Where is the verifiable evidence to back up these repeated claims about Iran?

2. I repeat where is the fucking evidence to back up these repeated claims about Iran's "alleged pursuit of WMD's"

3. Russert if you do not read anything else but your own reports or only watch your own interviews you may be missing what Iaea Mr. El Baradei is saying "Iran is not an imminent threat". He has also said that there is "no" verifiable evidence to support these claims by the Bush administration.

4. Russert if you have not noticed many of the same military officials, Cia analyst and others who warned against the invasion of Iraq are questioning the claims being repeated about Iran.

Russert where were your challenging questions about the claims being made about Iran?

" How can we stop them" just does not get it.

RUSSERT ROLLED OVER TO CHENEY'S CLAIMS BEING REPEATED ABOUT IRAN...DEJA VU

Victoria Toensing, like her husband Joe Mafioso (or whatever his name is) has over the last ten years shown herself to be in the pay (figuratively) of all kinds of rightwing nonsense and propaganda. Don't bother taking her seriously.

Bush has one thing going for him: no one is going to assassinate him in order to make Cheney president! This reminds one of Charles II who said to his brother, don't worry James, no one will kill me in order to make you king.