August 02, 2006RNC Overkill and Jack MurthaSeveral times in recent years, Bush has said that he believes it is appropriate and healthy for the citizens of this country to debate what should be done in Iraq, and he has called for what he has termed responsible discourse. But his own Republican Party apparently did not get the memo. The other day I received an email from the GOP deriding Representative Jack Murtha, the hawkish House Democrat who has turned against the war and who now calls for withdrawing US troops from the mess in Iraq. The email was hardly "responsible" debate. Noting that Murtha intends to campaign for 41 House Democratic candidates, it mocked his "cut-and-run tour." This has become the GOP's mantra. If a Democrat questions the mission in Iraq and calls for even the consideration of disengagement, he or she is blasted by GOPers for wanting to "cut and run." Again and again, it's cut-and-run, cut-and-run. This is in the line of the tax-and-spend charge that Republicans used to hurl at Democrats. In this email, the Republican National Committee accuses Murtha of having "compared Americans to Saddam Hussein." This is mean-spirited silliness. The basis for the charge is that Murtha said on the House floor that 900,000 people fled Iraq when it was ruled by Saddam and that the same number of Iraqis have left the country since the invasion. So, you see, he's really equating Americans with Saddam. Really. The email also excoriates Murtha for having voted for the first Persian Gulf War and for the legislation granting George W. Bush the authority to invade Iraq before changing his mind and calling for redeploying US troops out of Iraq. And the email claims he is "just another liberal Democrat who supports higher taxes." The email is yet more evidence of Republican hypocrisy. But--more important--it's a sign that the RNC is scared of Murtha and his 41-city tour. Otherwise, why bother with the absurd overkill? The war gets worse by the day. Bush says and does nothing to inspire confidence. He barely recognizes the challenge of dealing with the rising sectarian conflict in Iraq. Yet the Republicans, following a Rove-ian strategy, have embraced the war (a potential liability) as an asset, adhering to stay-the-coursism, as they decry cut-and-runners. Will this work as a political strategy? We'll have to wait for the election results. But one thing's for sure: it's not, by any stretch, responsible debate. Posted by David Corn at August 2, 2006 12:10 AM | ||||




Comments
Will this work as a political strategy?
It's Bizarro World, I'm sure it'll work.
*throws up hands*
Posted by: Alan at August 2, 2006 12:17 AM
I wonder if the voting public will wise up to all the lies and deceit, maybe become immune to them. Based on previous elections and polls, I doubt it. Probably wouldn't matter anyway, as Diebold makes sure the vote goes the way the GOP wants it.
Is blindly following orders really that much easier than being a responsible citizen and thinking with facts, and not biased opinions?
Posted by: goob at August 2, 2006 12:20 AM
An article on Wikipedia lists what various countries have said in response to IAF bombing Qana and killing 19 children. Notice many countries condemn the attacks and call for a cease-fire, whilst Condi mumbles some noncommittal tripe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_2006_Qana_airstrike
Posted by: goob at August 2, 2006 12:30 AM
I wonder if the voting public will wise up to all the lies and deceit, of the DNC.
Most Americans have, at least in the last two Presidential Elections.
They saw right through Kerry's lies, and realized he was just a cowardly traitor.
They saw through Howard Dean and saw everything he said was a lie. Of course, Dean has the excuse of being totally insane. Kerry was just a traitorous, gutless wonder.
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 12:32 AM
Hurrah for Murtha. He's a good citizen. Tell it like it is and let the Republicans lie. Obviously, from the polls I'm seeing the average American can see the truth and are not afraid to face it.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 12:34 AM
The new DNC slogan for 2008
If you want to die, right here at home, because more 9/11's to come if we win, VOTE DEMOCRAT.
Posted by: Stan at August 2, 2006 12:39 AM
Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.
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The Republican 'majority' are such wusses that can't even win or lose a campaign on their merits.
They won't allow the American people to choose.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 12:42 AM
goob 2
Is blindly following orders really that much easier than being a responsible citizen and thinking with facts, and not biased opinions?
YOU tell us, since that is exactly what you and all left wing nut bags do, you already know.
Posted by: Stan at August 2, 2006 12:45 AM
Democrats falsified more than 410,000 votes in Ohio ballot boxes in order to have more votes counted -- they thought, enough to put John Kerry in the White House.
Posted by: Stan at August 2, 2006 12:49 AM
"This is mean-spirited silliness."
Of course it is. Have you read the troll postings on your site? These people like to throw out hate and misinformation to stifle debate. Their words (much like the RNC's) are meant to pacify, and terminate, not to engage and stimulate debate. And I'm sorry to say that it seems to work. This site as with much public discourse eventually caves into the hateful extreme, from left or right. Although much of the hate on this site and in our great nation today seems to come from the right, maybe because the right is in charge. Or maybe because the right is wrong. Perhaps they think they own the hateful syntax. Thank you Mr. Corn for your website, thank you for the form that you provide mostly "free" thinking people to exchange rational ideas. Thank you Mr. Corn for letting the "trolls" expose themselves. A lesser site would ban them outright.
Posted by: uncledad at August 2, 2006 12:52 AM
From Democracy Now on Monday
AMY GOODMAN: In an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, it voted Sunday not for a cessation of hostilities -- the U.S. was opposed to that -- but to deplore what happened in Qana and an end to the violence. I asked Robert Fisk to respond.
ROBERT FISK: John Bolton, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, has consistently opposed any kind of ceasefire, because he believes, as Mr. Bush does and as our own dear prime minister, Lord Blair, as I call him, does, that the Israelis can accomplish these hopeless political military aims. Well, the Israelis believe that they can actually destroy one of the most disciplined and most ruthless guerrilla armies in the world. They can't, anymore than the Americans could destroy the Vietcong or the North Vietnamese or British could destroy the IRA. And, believe me, the Hezbollah are not as weak and cowardly as the IRA was. But they can't. These are hopeless political aims. All the United Nations is doing by postponing a ceasefire is condemning more Lebanese to death. I wrote in Saturday's paper, before Qana, that the actions of Blair and Bush, and Bolton by extension, and Condoleezza Rice, were going to condemn more innocents to death.
You know, I went into a hospital in Marjayoun last week, and I saw this very beautiful young woman lying in bed, and her skin had been pitted with very familiar wounds, the little tiny round crimson holes of cluster bomblets. We used cluster bombs in Iraq in 2003. I know exactly what the wounds look like. I identified them at once. Indeed, she described the cluster bombs falling like grapes, as she put it, out of the sky, oddly enough an expression used by an Iraqi woman in 2003 to me. This young woman had been wounded 48 hours before I saw her. Had Bush and Blair insisted on a ceasefire at the beginning, this woman, her skin would not be destroyed in the way it has been.
On the ground, when you're here, when you see the wounded, see the dead, you realize the immorality, the obscenity, the atrocity of statesmen, as they think they are, claiming that, you know, it isn't yet time for a ceasefire. A hasty ceasefire would not be a good thing, as Condoleezza Rice said. 24 hours before, I saw a picture of her on a beach in Malaysia. And people remember this. People remember this. In the hospital it was a young man who said -- turned to me, he said, "Why have you done this to us? Why have you done this to us?" And the woman I was talking to said the same: "Why does the West want to do this to us?"
You know, this has been going on for more than two weeks now. I'm traveling around the south, increasingly outraged at what I see, as a human being. And I'm not a Muslim. I'm not a Muslim. And I keep saying to myself, "If I was a Muslim, how much more outraged might I be?" I turned to an American friend of mine tonight back in Beirut before I came home, and I said, "You know, I've been watching this now for more than two weeks, and there's going to be another 9/11." There's going to be another 9/11, and then we're going to hear all the usual claptrap about how it's good versus evil, and they hate us because weÕ²e good and democratic, and they hate our values, and all the other material that comes out of the rear end of a bull that your president and my prime minister talk.
What's going on in southern Lebanon is an outrage. It's an atrocity. The idea that more than 600 civilians must die because three Israeli soldiers were killed and two were captured on the border by the Hezbollah on July 12, my 60th birthday -- I've spent 30 years of my life watching this, this filth now, you know -- is outrageous. It's against all morality to suggest that 600 innocent civilians must die for this. There is no other country in the world that could get away with this.
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This is the truth. This is reality.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 12:52 AM
Mr. Corn, this is a great article! The Democrats have war heroes and the Republicans have chickenshit chickenhawks. Of course, they are afraid of Murtha because no one in the Republican party and their mob mentality can hold John Murtha's jock strap.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 12:52 AM
The Democrats are such wusses that can't ever win a campaign on their merits, since they have none.
They don't want the American people to choose, so they go to court in hopes of a liberal judge. Damn the peoples will, sue them, and get a liberal judge.
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 12:53 AM
Robert Fisk-again from Democracy Now
You know, when -- I wrote in my paper last week, there were times when the IRA would cross from the Irish Republic into northern Ireland to kill British soldiers. And they did murder and kill British soldiers. But we, the British, didn't hold the Irish government responsible. We didn't send the Royal Air Force to bomb Dublin power stations and Galway and Cork. We didn't send our tanks across the border to shell the hill villages of Cavan or Monaghan or Louth or Donegal. Blair wouldn't dream of doing that, because he believes he's a moral man, he's a civilized man. He wouldn't treat another nation like that.
But when the Israelis treat Lebanon like that, it's okay, and Blair doesn't want a ceasefire. You can't have a real ceasefire. In other words, we've got to have the Lebanese on their knees to sign the dotted line, before we give them a ceasefire. And that dotted line means the disarmament of Hezbollah, which will be impossible for the Lebanese to do without restarting the civil war, because to disarm Hezbollah, you must use the army, and most of the Hezbollah are, of course, Shiite Muslims, and most of the army are Shiite Muslims. So you're going to have brothers assaulting brothers to take their weapons away. It will not happen. However much you may wish it and however much I may wish it, it won't happen. And, again, this double morality: Blair wouldn't dream of attacking the Irish Republic because the IRA crossed the border from Ireland, but it's quite in order for Israel to attack the Lebanese Republic because the Hezbollah crossed the border from Lebanon.
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Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 12:59 AM
#12
Gerald,
How many deferments did Cheney have?
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 01:01 AM
American Soldiers
2,902 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his lies.
18,500+ American soldiers have been maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his evil lies.
55,000+ of the 140,000 American soldiers are suffering from PTSD. Stress disorder has increased and the percentage is now around 40%.
Over 350,000+ Iraqis have been killed in Iraq since Bush declared shock and awe bombings on March 19, 2003.
Contamination from depleted uranium may have affected 125,000+ American soldiers and several million Iraqis.
Are you feeling more safe and secure with Bush in the WH and Cheney as his chief hatchet man overseeing Nazi America and her citizens?
Our military men and women are used as cannon fodder for a terrorist Nazi American government.
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, AND NEITHER DO WE. George W. Bush, August 5, 2005
Rigged elections doom American democracy. American soldiers are being killed and maimed TO PROMOTE A NAZI AMERICAN STATE.
Henry Kissinger says that military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy. Does this mean our American soldiers are only cannon fodder to be murdered and maimed through our evil foreign policies and practices?
Nazi America is a mirror image of Hitler Bush.
Nazi Americans continually justify sin.
Nazi Americans are accomplices with Bush for his murders and war crimes.
The Bush Regime's war on terror has defeated truth and the constitutional protections of liberty in the United States. No conceivable number of Muslim terrorists could inflict comparable damage on America.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:01 AM
#15 Jeanne, Chainey had five deferments because he had better things to do than to fight for his country. Now, we know him as a chichenhawk chickenshit.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:04 AM
Murtha, a senile old man with Alzheimer's, who's good days are long gone. Now just a shattered shell of the great man he once was. Poor old fart is being used by deceitful Dems to further their agenda, and he can't even remember the last time he went to his office.
Poor, poor, unstable old gent, being used by corrupt liberals, and he isn't even lucid enough to know it.
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 01:04 AM
#15
Jeanne
I believe "Dick" had five deferments?
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 01:05 AM
Chainey is a scumbag and a slime ball!!!
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:06 AM
#15 Jeanne,
Who the hell is, "Chainey"
or is that just Jeanne proving her ignorance once again?
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 01:08 AM
But "Dick" was busy planning the apocalypse; he did not have time to fight that silly war in Vietnam. That war was for the poor ignorant government cheese eating leaches to fight.
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 01:09 AM
i believe that cheney had either 5 or 7 deferments.
but hey, you're either with us or you're with the terrorists!
better decide!
Posted by: spy on this! at August 2, 2006 01:09 AM
Gerald 20
Chainey is a scumbag and a slime ball!!!
Who the hell is, "Chainey"
or is that just Gerald proving his ignorance for the ten thousandth time?
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 01:12 AM
Dead Eye Dick would have signed up with who ever kept him from getting shot at. Too bad his hunting buddy didn't get the same consideration?
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 01:14 AM
NYT: Some Bush Sr. advisers express 'deep unease' with 'Israel policies of the son'
"Some advisers to the father are expressing increasingly deep unease with the Israel policies of the son," reads an article slated for the front page of Wednesday's New York Times, RAW STORY has found.
The paper reports that there is "a generational and philosophical divide between the Bushes" which "is exacerbating the friction between their camps."
...."The current approach simply is not leading toward a solution to the crisis, or even a winding down of the crisis," said Richard N. Haass, who advised the first President Bush on the Middle East and worked as a senior State Department official in the current president's first term. "There are times at which a hands-off policy can be justified. It's not obvious to me that this is one of them."
Unlike the first President Bush, who viewed himself as a neutral arbiter in the delicate politics of the Middle East, the current president sees his role through the prism of the war on terror. This President Bush, unlike his father, also has deep roots in the evangelical Christian community, a staunchly pro-Israeli component of his conservative Republican base.
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The evanglelical Christian community is becoming intertwined with this travesty.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 01:16 AM
V For Vendetta. A very pissed off phantom of the opera meets the police state from hell, and kicks their ass. A VERY satisfying movie. Too bad the people are way too cowed to ever do such a thing.
Posted by: RedAlert at August 2, 2006 01:18 AM
#17
Gerald,
Oh yes...that's right. Five deferments. Hmmm and what was George Bush doing during this time, ahhh you know when Kerry was in Viet Nam?
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 01:19 AM
I want you liberals to teach me a lesson, I am sorry for the hateful things that I have said, and I apoligize to each and every one of you. I have been snorting battery acid for the past six years, and I need help. Please help me.
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 01:20 AM
Bush's Miami Vices
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:20 AM
"This is mean-spirited silliness."
Of course it is. Have you read the troll postings on your site? These people like to throw out hate and misinformation to stifle debate. Their words (much like the RNC's) are meant to pacify, and terminate, not to engage and stimulate debate. And I'm sorry to say that it seems to work. This site as with much public discourse eventually caves into the hateful extreme, from left or right. Although much of the hate on this site and in our great nation today seems to come from the right, maybe because the right is in charge. Or maybe because the right is wrong. Perhaps they think they own the hateful syntax. Thank you Mr. Corn for your website, thank you for the form that you provide mostly "free" thinking people to exchange rational ideas. Thank you Mr. Corn for letting the "trolls" expose themselves. A lesser site would ban them outright.
Posted by: uncledad at August 2, 2006 01:21 AM
g bush? he was observed dancing naked on a bar stool for the enjoyment of his perv peers
Posted by: spy on this! at August 2, 2006 01:21 AM
#32
You mean when he was AWOL?
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 01:23 AM
yes when he was awol.
Posted by: spy on this! at August 2, 2006 01:25 AM
Hey,
How's this for strategic planning?
Experts: Not a single Army Combat team left ready to deploy
A group of national security experts formed by Democratic leadership has reported to Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) that, "there is not a single non-deployed Army Brigade Combat Team in the United States that is ready to deploy," RAW STORY has learned.
"The bottom line," the group concludes in a letter to Democratic leadership, "is that our Army currently has no ready, strategic reserve."
"More than two-thirds of the Army National Guard's 34 brigades are not combat ready, mostly because of equipment shortages that will cost up to $21 billion to correct, the top National Guard general said Tuesday," the Associated Press reported today.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 01:27 AM
Israel Ready For Massive Invasion
it's time for your collective terrorist jew hating ass to bow down and feel the wrath of our rightous pre-emptive defense! die jewhaters!
Posted by: spy on this! at August 2, 2006 01:29 AM
#26 Jeanne, I am amazed at the number of Christians who support the slaughter of the Lebanese people.
#28 Jeanne, Bush spent his evenings in Alabama getting drunk and protecting the Gulf shoreline in the day time from a North Vietnamese invasion of our fatherland.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:30 AM
Crisis grows as Israel 'launches attack deep in Lebanon.'
The AP reports, "The ferocity of the battles in Baalbek and across southern Lebanon on Tuesday, the determination of the Israelis to keep fighting and the minimal diplomatic progress toward a cease-fire all indicate the 3-week-old war is more likely to escalate than end soon."
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Freaking stupid. Freaking uncivilized. What's to by gained by this terroristic behavior? Nothing.
*And when I say terroristic behavior I am referring to the Israelis.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 01:33 AM
Here's what "Nightline" was covering. It's in Vanity Fair's next issue...
9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes
How did the U.S. Air Force respond on 9/11? Could it have shot down United 93, as conspiracy theorists claim? Obtaining 30 hours of never-before-released tapes from the control room of NORAD's Northeast headquarters, the author reconstructs the chaotic military history of that dayÑand the Pentagon's apparent attempt to cover it up. VF.com exclusive: Hear excerpts from the September 11 NORAD tapes. Click PLAY after each transcript to listen
Posted by: Alan at August 2, 2006 01:34 AM
Gerald wrote...
"and protecting the Gulf shoreline in the day time from a North Vietnamese invasion of our fatherland."
Somebody had to do it. It takes a brave man to volunteer for such a mission.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 01:35 AM
Sen. Max Baucus-(D-MT) nephew dies in Iraq. "Marine Cpl. Phillip E. Baucus, 28, died Saturday in the province of Al Anbar," according to the Department of Defense. Baucus said his family is "devastated by the loss."
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 01:38 AM
Why are you here? What is your purpose? Is it for me to respond? O.K. I did now what.
Jewhaters? Is that even a word? thank you for exposing your ignorance, I don't know if you noticed but I'm on troll watch tonight. And I will decide if you get an answer. And you better come up with something more intelligible than that dribble. Or you will be ignored.
Posted by: uncledad at August 2, 2006 01:41 AM
Alan,
That article looks interesting. I will read it tomorrow. For now....my dreams are calling.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 01:41 AM
Israel and Moral Equivalence
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:42 AM
That article looks interesting. I will read it tomorrow. For now....my dreams are calling.
Yeah, there's alot there (30 hours?), so I'll save it to check out when I get back. I'm heading out for a few days. See you guys prolly Sunday. G'nite.
Posted by: Alan at August 2, 2006 01:45 AM
#42
Ok, ok...before I hit the sack, one thing. This whole Jew hater thing I have been reading since the whole Lebanon thing started. WHAT A LOAD! The Israelis are slaughtering civilians all over the place and I'm supposed to support it? I don't think so. The logic is total BS and I'm not going to be dragged into it. Sorry.
Ok...I'm going. Over and out.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 01:47 AM
I wonder if the voting public will wise up to all the lies and deceit. . . [?]
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 12:32 AM
I don't see why not. Your deciet, posting as "val" and a handful of other names, is fairly transparent, "val."
Posted by: HBL at August 2, 2006 01:47 AM
29 "I want. . . "
val
Posted by: HBL at August 2, 2006 01:53 AM
"According to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy. All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians."
Let me get this straight! In time of battle and war there is no such term as "innocents" of the enemy. Does that mean during WW II the killing of Jews whom the Nazi Germans believed to be the enemy was not immoral or the killing of detainees at Gitmo was not immoral? I guess that there are no immoral murders and war crimes during battles and wars?
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 02:00 AM
Val,
I read your post at 21 & 24.
That is way funny.
Oh sweet Jesus. Will the ignorance of Liberals never cease to amaze.
Gerald and Jeanne, never quit bitching and whining about anything, and they don't even know who the Vice President of the United States is. If that doesn't prove, even to them, they are completely ignorant, I guess nothing will.
Dear God, it's hard to believe.
They say God created man and woman from dust and a rib.
When he was done, he must have said,
"Wait a minute, I forgot Gerald and Jeanne".
"I am all out of dust and ribs, but ...
I do have some old boogers and ear wax"
.... presto, Gerald and Jeanne were born.
Posted by: kitty at August 2, 2006 02:03 AM
You know the really interesting thing is, is that these trolls bombard this site with their hateful rhetoric and pitiful lies. Apparently they do this so that real thoughts and ideas will not be expressed. Sound familiar? The funny thing is that this blog site has more hits on a daily basis than all independent political blogs (Left or Right) combined. Thank you trolls. Thank you for exposing the trifleness and sorrow of your hateful ways. Thank you for being here, thank you for participating, thank you for making "bushlies.com" what it is (#1). We could not do it with out you. We almost wish you would stop posting, but if you did our numbers would not be as good as they are. Again thank you. If you donÕt mind being ignorant, then we donÕt mind laughing.
Posted by: uncledad at August 2, 2006 02:16 AM
Yeah, yeah uncledad, just roll over and bite that pillow, DOODY is on his way.
Posted by: kitty at August 2, 2006 02:24 AM
Dear O'Reilly, I read your post. Oh sweet jesus. you are so funny.
uncledad, is it true Corn's compensation for ad revenue is based on hits - the number of times the page gets loaded in the course of a day? Where can we find the hits meter?
Posted by: O'Reilly at August 2, 2006 02:25 AM
Israel and 'Moral Equivalence'
The Qana massacre reveals the true face of Israel's aggression
The Qana massacre was the occasion for a full-court propaganda campaign by Israel's amen corner, and one has to say they rose to the occasion like real pros. First, of course, they expressed remorse then, naturally enough, they blamed it all on Hezbollah.
How so? Well, you see, the Israelis bombed a building filled with children and old people because rockets fired at Israel "originated immediately next to it." Yet the Red Cross denied there were any Hezbollah in Qana. The Israelis keep up a constant refrain claiming Lebanon uses its own civilian population as "human shields," but the reality is quite different: Lebanese civilians flee when Hezbollah fires a fusillade, because they know the Israelis will soon be bombing the place to perdition. Aside from which, Nasrallah's folks are a tightly knit group and security is taken seriously: a friend of mine who went into Hezbollah headquarters in southern Beirut was subjected to such a thorough search that by the time they were through with him he was bereft of his dignity as well as any desire to proceed further. Hezbollah doesn't trust noncombatants, and for that reason keeps well away from them no matter what their religious, ethnic, or political affiliations.
Read this Haaretz piece and see if you can figure out how the IDF is trying to slither and slide out of this one: the building didn't collapse immediately, there is an 8-hour gap or maybe not and "maybe we'll never know what happened." Blah blah blah in short, the Israelis are blowing a lot of smoke.
More HERE
*****end of clip*****
Justin ends the piece with:
"The silence of the "liberals" empowers the neocons Ð and virtually ensures that this Israeli-spawned war will spread far and wide. George W. Bush and his Democratic "opponents" have teamed up, in this instance, and I seriously doubt if either Brent Scowcroft or Henry Kissinger can motivate our policymakers to reconsider and think about how and where this will all end."
I think he is right.
capt
Posted by: capt at August 2, 2006 02:27 AM
Kitty 50
"Old boogers and ear wax" .... presto, Gerald and Jeanne were born.
You are killing me.
You made me spit a mouthful of coffee, and I am still laughing to hard to pick my cup back up.
Now that was WAY FUNNY.
EXCELLENT work,
val
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 02:33 AM
#51 Uncledad Gives me a new perspective on the trolls. Now I can appreciate them as I ignore them. If that's possible. Chris
Posted by: Chris at August 2, 2006 02:50 AM
Jeanne 38
Freaking stupid. Freaking uncivilized. What's to by gained by this terroristic behavior? Nothing.
*And when I say terroristic behavior I am referring to the Israelis.
We know that's what you mean Jeanne, but that's because you are an idiot with a brain made from old boogers and ear wax.
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 03:01 AM
A bird gets caught in a snowdrift and is freezing to death. An ox comes by and decides to save the bird, but the only way he can do this is by defecating over the bird so the ice would melt and the bird would be warmed.
After the ox does this, a fox comes by and carefully cleans the feces of the bird ... and then eats the bird.
The moral of the story: not everyone who throws shit at you is your enemy and not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend.
Just because some are willing to be honest and criticize Israel .... even in a "shitty" unfair manner doesn't make them the enemies of the Jews. Just because others claim to "support" Israel doesn't make them a friend of any Jew.
(not original, I clipped it from somewhere I just cannot remember where)
capt
Posted by: capt at August 2, 2006 03:13 AM
Here are ten things to consider when voicing an opinion on the war against terrorism
(1) Between America and the terrorists. The terrorists are the bad guys.
(2) If you have faith in the United Nations to do the right things, keep this in mind: the UN had Libya heading the Committee on Human Rights and Iraq heading the Global Disarmament Committee. Do your own math here.
(3) If you use a Google or Yahoo search and type in "French Military Victories," don't be surprised if your computer panics at its inability to respond to your inquiry.
(4) If your only anti-war slogan is "No War For Oil," hire a pit bull lawyer and sue your school district for having allowed you to slip through the cracks and robbing you of the minimum education that any non-troglodyte deserves
(5) You can take this one to the bank: Hezbollah and Hamas do NOT seek UN approval before they kill.
(6) Despite common belief among some, Martin Sheen is NOT the President. He only played one on TV.
(7) If you are anti-war and even an outright "America Basher," to the terrorists you are still an "infidel" whom they want dead.
(8) Be careful: if you believe in a "vast right-wing conspiracy," but not in the danger that terrorists pose, the only job you may be able to get is as an Ivy League college professor.
(9) Even multi-culturalists who try to browbeat us into believing that all cultures are equally deserving of respect have trouble explaining the past 500 years of Islam.
(10) Whether you are for or against military action, our young men and women overseas are fighting to defend our right to speak out on these issues. They deserve our unreserved support.
Posted by: misty at August 2, 2006 03:49 AM
#52 Kitty,
So you are coming as well, threats are one thing, but you and DOODY threaten online, real smart, I hope you are posting from the library, oh wait thatÕs right you and your righties log that too. Seems that you have threatened me, and now I can unleash the legal system that you so love on you. How unfortunate. See you in Court.
Posted by: uncledad at August 2, 2006 04:00 AM
52 Kitty, You are on your own. I will not be drawn into your base and vulgar taunts.
Posted by: DOODY at August 2, 2006 04:09 AM
Trying to Help
- by Dennis Miller
All the rhetoric on whether or not we should go to war against Iraq has got my little brain spinning like a top. I enjoy reading opinions from both sides, but I've detected a hint of confusion from some of you. Maybe this can help.
As I was reading the paper recently, I was reminded of the best advice anyone ever gave me. He told me about the "KISS" method ("Keep It Simple, Stupid!"). So with this as a theme, I'd like to apply this theory for those who don't quite get it. My hope is that we can simplify things and recognize a few important facts.
Here are ten things to consider when voicing an opinion on this important issue:
(1) Between President Bush and Saddam Hussein... Hussein is the bad guy.
(2) If you have faith in the United Nations to do the right things, keep this in mind: the UN has Libya heading the Committee on Human Rights and Iraq heading the Global Disarmament Committee. Do your own math here.
(3) If you use a Google or Yahoo! search and type in "French Military Victories," don't be surprised if your computer panics at its inability to respond to your inquiry.
(4) If your only anti-war slogan is "No War For Oil," hire a pit bull lawyer and sue your school district for having allowed you to slip through the cracks and robbing you of the minimum education that any non-troglodyte deserves
(5) You can take this one to the bank: Saddam and bin Laden will NOT seek UN approval before they try to kill us.
(6) Despite common belief among some, Martin Sheen is NOT the President. He only plays one on TV.
(7) If you are anti war and even an outright "America Basher", to bin Laden you are still an "infidel" whom he wants dead.
(8) Be careful: if you believe in a "vast right-wing conspiracy," but not in the danger that Hussein poses, the only job you may be able to get is as an Ivy League college professor.
(9) Even multiculturalists who try to browbeat us into believing that all cultures are equally deserving of respect have trouble explaining the past 500 years of Islam.
(10) Whether you are for or against military action, our young men and women overseas are fighting to defend our right to speak out on these issues. They deserve our unreserved support.
More HERE
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Not original, not even serious. It is part of a comedy routine.
Talk about too much TV rotting the brain.
capt
Posted by: capt at August 2, 2006 04:13 AM
BTW - The comedy routine is from 2003.
capt
Posted by: capt at August 2, 2006 04:14 AM
#56
Chris,
Yes we must cope with freedom. Not how the trolls do, but how free men and women do. With laughter, discussion, and Liberty. Every time a troll posts his hate. Mr. Corn gets a credit. When the trolls give us lemons, Mr. Corn makes lemonade. I despise what they say, but I love that they say it. It gives me genuine joy. And it only makes this great blog more visible. Generally I read blogs everyday, and the ones that I donÕt care for I donÕt read too much. But this site has a truly fascinating following. All these ÒtrollsÓ just make it more popular. But I must caution, be careful when feeding them, their fangs are jagged, and full of poison, they are very hungry. Apparently they donÕt eat well at home.
Posted by: uncledad at August 2, 2006 04:17 AM
9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon
Allegations Brought to Inspectors General
Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission, hoping to hide the bungled response to the hijackings, these sources said.
In the end, the panel agreed to a compromise, turning over the allegations to the inspectors general for the Defense and Transportation departments, who can make criminal referrals if they believe they are warranted, officials said.
"We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."
More HERE
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The Pentagon lied to the 911 commission? They do not know why NORAD would lie? ONE of THOSE loose end that never got tied?
The commission considered handing the pack of lies over to the DOJ? I think the lies must have been blatant.
capt
Posted by: capt at August 2, 2006 04:29 AM
Robert Scheer: Israel's Dependency on the Drug of Militarism
"There's going to be another 9/11, and then we're going to hear all the usual claptrap about how it's good versus evil, and they hate us because we're good and democratic, and they hate our values and all the other material that comes out of the rear end of a bull," London Independent correspondent Robert Fisk told interviewer Amy Goodman of the radio program "Democracy Now!" after watching dozens of children's corpses being stuffed into plastic bags or wrapped in rugs.
It is true that the Israeli withdrawals of the past half-decade, nearly complete in the case of Lebanon and cynically minimal in the Palestinian territories, did not resolve all the disputes or stop all violence. Yet the abandonment of the peace process and the renewed reliance on bombs will prove far more costly for Israel. Long after Bush is gone from office, Israel will be threatened by a new generation of enemies whose political memory was decisively shaped by these horrible images emerging from Lebanon. At that point, Israelis attempting to make peace with those they must coexist with will recognize that with friends such as Bush and his neoconservative mentors, they would not lack for enemies.
More HERE
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"It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head." ~ Sally Kempton
capt
Posted by: capt at August 2, 2006 04:41 AM
Colbert: Mideast Goes Democrazy
Linguists beware; Stephen Colbert has invented a new word: "democrazy." As the host explains, "there was a time when I thought the key to Middle East peace was representative government, but then democracy gives us a prime minister who sides with Hezbollah, an Iranian president who wants to go nuclear, and a Palestinian government controlled by Hamas. So, now, I'm thinking maybe we did the wrong thing."
Only time will tell if "democrazy" finds the same zeitgeist appeal as Colbert's "truthiness." The word certainly has a similar utility in making sense of the Bush-era world, where democracy is meant to deliver peace, yet so often backfires. What is one to do when free elections produce explosions? Colbert looks to the White House for guidance:
"President Bush has made it clear that the best way out of a crisis is strong unquestioned leadership," he says, as the text onscreen reads, "also, best way into a crisis."
More HERE
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Democrazy? HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at August 2, 2006 04:48 AM
Capt,
Interesting that stories like this come out when the "media" is so preoccupied. This is potentially impeachable, but alas no one will hear it. But hey if we (the USA) were going to impeach, do we really need more stuff? The Navy released a report on hadifa today as well. But the media is preoccupied. If Bu$chco really wanted a change they would trade rummy for anybody. It seems Israel is providing cover for our dirty little war while we supply bombs for theirs. To be fair, some asshole is supplying hezzbola with their little death projectiles as well. The problem is we don't talk to them. It is hard for me to see how any "peace" can be made when people (leaders of nations) don't talk to each other.
Posted by: uncledad at August 2, 2006 04:53 AM
68 The 'fuck you foreign policy' and 'we dont talk to your ilk' diplomacy hasn't really worked out with Iran, Syria, the Palastenians and Hamas and North Korea.
It certainly isn't paying the peace dividend but then again, when you invade foriegn contries without provovation, it's democrazy to expect a peace dividend.
Posted by: DOODY at August 2, 2006 05:07 AM
"President Bush has made it clear that the best way out of a crisis is strong unquestioned leadership," he says, as the text onscreen reads, "also, best way into a crisis."
I have to admit that I watched the presidents speech (Miami) on FAUX. I found two things really creepy.
1. Seconds after George finished a sentence it was strolling along the bottom of the FAUX news screen, almost like we didnÕt here what he just said. And most of what he said was sort of dribble but FAUX just kept scrolling it anyway? I thought that was kind of creepy.
2. Did anyone notice the dock workers across the river, standing up with their orange vests, waving at the camera? I could actually make out one of them on his cell phone waving at the camera. Several white pickup trucks kept pulling up and again more dock workers waving at the camera. Seems like bad security to me, the president of the United States, giving a speech, on the banks of an obviously unsecured river?
Posted by: uncledad at August 2, 2006 05:11 AM
Capt!
I'll try to take your advice seriously, to ignore the ignorant. But it's hard, very hard to do so. It seems to me that the Trolls are not to much educated. That is, they don't know to much about the real world. To my opinion, they sould look over their protective fences, and then they'll become very surprised. But, maybe they're too scared to see the REAL truth?
Erling
Posted by: Erling Krange at August 2, 2006 06:17 AM
Erling,
I hope you read post #284 on the previous thread? The pdf file shows Norway very favorably. Some interesting statistics and such.
Careful about taking anything I post too seriously, even I know better than that!
HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at August 2, 2006 06:44 AM
Capt,
I humbly submit that I've been using the term "demoCRAZY" for quite some time now.
I thank Msr.Colbert for making it more popular.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at August 2, 2006 08:49 AM
The 911 Nightline Link is the only one on ABC's "Nightline" page that doesn't work.
Anybody get a comprehensive view of last night's report for those of us who were snxxx'n?
-T
Posted by: Hajji at August 2, 2006 09:04 AM
"Colbert didnÕt invent or coin the word. According to a 1989 Los Angeles Times article, ÒDemocrazy was used in 1946 at the Japanese War Trials by Shumei Okawa, a former propaganda minister of Japan.Ó
Posted by: capt at August 2, 2006 09:15 AM
Yeah, that was ME!
-Shumei Okawa, former propaganda minister of Japan
Posted by: Hajji at August 2, 2006 09:30 AM
A friend of mine in Tucson said Randi Rhodes was talking about the LA Scholars Symposium yesterday and was playing soundbites from the conference on Air America. So far C-SPAN has played the panel discussion 3 times I think. Slowly but surely. Robert Bowman is awesome, running as a democrat in Florida.
Posted by: RedAlert at August 2, 2006 10:06 AM
All That's Given Up in the Name of Security
by Sibel Edmonds and William Weaver
Antiwar
...You may ask how NSA eavesdropping affects you when you have nothing to hide. Let us try to explain why you should worry. Even if, as the government claims, this program is only looking for "terrorist activity," still all your conversations have to be processed; they have to be linked to other calls and sources of "possible" terrorist activity. All it takes is an innocent phone call to a friend, who has placed a call to a friend or relative, who has legitimate business or personal contacts in a foreign country where there may be "suspected terrorists." You have just become a potential target of government investigation, you may be a terrorist supporter, or even a terrorist. Remember "Six Degrees of Separation" (the theory that anyone on earth can be connected to any other person on the planet through a chain of acquaintances with no more than five intermediaries)? The NSA program can easily mistakenly connect you to a terrorist. Furthermore, since the program is being conducted without judicial oversight and under no recognized process, there is nothing to restrict how the information obtained under the program is being used.
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Posted by: RedAlert at August 2, 2006 10:34 AM
Hizbullah's attacks stem from Israeli incursions into Lebanon
By Anders Strindberg
08/01/06 "Christian Science Monitor"
ICH
NEW YORK As pundits and policymakers scramble to explain events in Lebanon, their conclusions are virtually unanimous: Hizbullah created this crisis. Israel is defending itself. The underlying problem is Arab extremism.
Sadly, this is pure analytical nonsense. Hizbullah's capture of two Israeli soldiers on July 12 was a direct result of Israel's silent but unrelenting aggression against Lebanon, which in turn is part of a six-decades long Arab-Israeli conflict.
Since its withdrawal of occupation forces from southern Lebanon in May 2000, Israel has violated the United Nations-monitored "blue line" on an almost daily basis, according to UN reports. Hizbullah's military doctrine, articulated in the early 1990s, states that it will fire Katyusha rockets into Israel only in response to Israeli attacks on Lebanese civilians or Hizbullah's leadership; this indeed has been the pattern.
In the process of its violations, Israel has terrorized the general population, destroyed private property, and killed numerous civilians. This past February, for instance, 15-year-old shepherd Yusuf Rahil was killed by unprovoked Israeli cross-border fire as he tended his flock in southern Lebanon. Israel has assassinated its enemies in the streets of Lebanese cities and continues to occupy Lebanon's Shebaa Farms area, while refusing to hand over the maps of mine fields that continue to kill and cripple civilians in southern Lebanon more than six years after the war supposedly ended. What peace did Hizbullah shatter?
Hizbullah's capture of the soldiers took place in the context of this ongoing conflict, which in turn is fundamentally shaped by realities in the Palestinian territories. To the vexation of Israel and its allies, Hizbullah - easily the most popular political movement in the Middle East - unflinchingly stands with the Palestinians.
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And that is completely unacceptable. The one solution required to mend this rift is the one Israel will not abide.
Posted by: RedAlert at August 2, 2006 10:48 AM
Any individuals who ask relevant questions about the pre-emptive, unilateral military strategies being implemented based on false information are immediately called "anti-patriots" "cut and run" advocates by the Bush administration.
Par for the course for the Bush administration.
This is a very similar strategy used by anyone who wants to attack someone who brings up relevant, facts and figures having to do with the brutal strategies used by Israel. The "anti-semite card" is played over and over again.
Posted by: kathleen at August 2, 2006 10:48 AM
Kathleen, that card is wearing thin. Educated, thinking people are aware that the Lebanese and Palestinian people are semites, and are not accepting that reasoning anymore.
Posted by: RedAlert at August 2, 2006 10:55 AM
Massive spying on the citizens of the US will produce massive amounts of information someone has to digest all of that and link it. Do we seriously consider anything in this government capable of something so large and complicated to get done. Hell, they can't even find trillions of dollars from the DOD. I have the confidence that this crowd of war criminals and perverts cannot do anything right except screw up a great country and then leave a mess for more adult members of society to come and clean up. Then lock the delinquents up for life, in a perfect world. No incompetence reigns supreme in the delusional world of GW and his funny band of clowns. Sooner or later this whole structure will come crashing down and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. Just wait, things haven't even started to get interesting yet. Soon people, very soon.
Posted by: What the F**k at August 2, 2006 10:57 AM
"THE GLORY FOR GERALD IS PISSING OFF THE NAZI TROLLS." Gerald
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 10:58 AM
Hulagu Bush is a murderer and a war criminal, just ask his mob lawyer, Alberto Gonzales!!!
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 11:00 AM
JPost
Exclusive: IDF can stay in Lebanon
By YAAKOV KATZ
While the IDF needs until the end of the week to deal Hizbullah a fatal blow, the military is prepared to remain in southern Lebanon for as long as it takes, even several months, until a multinational force takes control of the territory, IDF Deputy Chief of Staff Maj.-Gen. Moshe Kaplinsky told The Jerusalem Post Tuesday.
"The IDF knows how to operate for as long as it takes even if it means remaining in the territory for a long time," Kaplinsky told the Post during a visit to a military base along the northern border. The general said the IDF was currently working according to an operational plan in which IDF troops would push their way through southern Lebanon until the Litani River, some 40 kilometers from the border with Israel. But if necessary, he said, the IDF was prepared to travel even further northward.
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This is a land grab, plain and simple.
Posted by: RedAlert at August 2, 2006 11:00 AM
WTF, I think the spying serves two purposes, one to keep the people in constant fear and dread of the govt.'s power to inprison and to deal with all dissenters by making up lies and arresting them as terrorists, this also allows confiscation of bank accounts and property. I have friends that won't even talk about any anti-govt. subjects out of fear of reprisal.
Posted by: RedAlert at August 2, 2006 11:03 AM
#82 WTF, a fair and balanced post!
#85 RedAlert, another fair and balanced post!
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 11:06 AM
Thanks David for the update on Phase II of the SSCI. I have continued to hound Senator Dewine(Oh) and Senator Pat Roberts on the whereabouts of the findings of Phase II.
Folks need to contact their own representatives and specifically R Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas who has done his very best at creating roadblocks for the completion and thoroughness of Phase II.
This sure says a great deal about the integrity and values of these Republicans representatives. They found it more important to investigate a President's lies about an extra marital affair than to thoroughly investigate the lies and false evidence created and dessiminated by the Office of Special Plans and the Bush administration about WMD's in Iraq. The results of the Bush administrations lies are tens of thousands of innocent people are now dead..dead. This is not a T.V. program these are real people DEAD.
WHAT A SET OF PRIORITIES THESE REPUBLICANS HAVE..THOSE PRIORTIES ARE IN THE GUTTER THEY DRAG THE AMERICAN PUBLIC INTO THE GUTTER WITH THEM.
CALL YOUR OWN REPRESENTATIVES CALL SENATOR PAT ROBERTS DEMAND THAT ALL ALL OF THE PHASE II INVESTIGATION BE RELEASED IMMEDIATELY. DEMAND THAT SENATOR PAT ROBERTS AND OTHERS STOP WITH THE "DELAYS" OF THIS IMPORTANT INVESTIGATION.
This is the very least they can do for those who have needlessly lost their lives. Put those responsible for the false intelligence behind bars or in the middle of Baghdad.
CALL/EMAIL Republican Senator (roadblock) Pat Roberts
202-224-4774
Posted by: kathleen at August 2, 2006 11:13 AM
The Moral Culpability for Qana
Antiwar
Though Israel is dissembling now, Gillerman spoke the truth then. No sooner had Hezbollah taken the two Israeli soldiers hostage than Israel unleashed an air war Ð on Lebanon. The Beirut airport was bombed, its fuel storage tanks set ablaze. The coast was blockaded. Power plants, gas stations, lighthouses, bridges, roads, trucks, and buses were all hit with air strikes.
Within 48 hours, it was apparent Israel was exploiting Hezbollah's attack to execute a preconceived military plan to destroy Lebanon Ð i.e., the collective punishment of a people and nation for the crimes of a renegade militia they could not control. It was the moral equivalent of a municipal police going berserk, shooting, killing, and ravaging an African-American community, because Black Panthers had ambushed and killed cops.
Rubbing our noses in our own cravenness, "Bibi" Netanyahu took time out, a week ago, from his daily appearances on American television, denouncing terrorism, to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the terror attack on the King David Hotel by Menachem Begin's Irgun, an attack that killed 92 people, among them British nurses.
This was not a terrorist act, Bibi explained, because Irgun telephoned a 15-minute warning to the hotel before the bombs went off. Right. And those children in that basement in Qana should not have ignored the Israeli leaflets warning them to clear out of southern Lebanon.
Our Israeli friends appear to be playing us for fools.
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Israel's terrorism is moral and just.
Posted by: RedAlert at August 2, 2006 11:13 AM
The Smirking Chimp has several great articles
The Smirking Chimp is a must go to website on a daily basis.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 11:32 AM
New Post Names
THIS IS AN ORDER!
FROM NOW ON:
Gerald, you are to post as: Ear Wax
Jeanne, you are to post as: Booger
Red Alert, you are to post as: Saladin The Butcher of Children
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 11:34 AM
PS
An addition to New Post Name.
This is also an order.
uncledad, you are to post as: Pillow Bite
That is all, you are dismissed.
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 11:37 AM
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win."
Mahatma Gandhi
VAL IS IN THE STUCK IN THE ATTACK GEAR
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK JEANNE, GERALD AND RED ALERT.
Posted by: kathleen at August 2, 2006 11:40 AM
#81
RedAlert! You're so right! I don't know if you read my posting a few threads ago, in where I explained the origin of the word "semite", that some beduins approxemate 5000 years ago considered them selves being decentants from Noahs son Sem. As a matter of fact, the Lebanese and the Palestines, along with other Arabs, are the purest semites in the area, whreas many of the jews have been mixed up with Europeans through out centuries.
Posted by: Erling Krange at August 2, 2006 11:42 AM
OOps
Val is stuck in the ATTACK GEAR. Has a hard time dealing with the truth.
Posted by: kathleen at August 2, 2006 11:42 AM
The article that Red Alert linked at #79 is so worth reading. I will be passing that article onto everyone I can. Hizbullah's attacks stem from Israeli incursions into Lebanon
By Anders Strindberg
08/01/06 "Christian Science Monitor" -- -- NEW YORK Ð As pundits and policymakers scramble to explain events in Lebanon, their conclusions are virtually unanimous: Hizbullah created this crisis. Israel is defending itself. The underlying problem is Arab extremism.
Sadly, this is pure analytical nonsense. Hizbullah's capture of two Israeli soldiers on July 12 was a direct result of Israel's silent but unrelenting aggression against Lebanon, which in turn is part of a six-decades long Arab-Israeli conflict.
Posted by: kathleen at August 2, 2006 11:47 AM
Oh! val is back, hiding behind a website as usual. I knew it! According to our Nordic bed time stories, TROLLS ARE AFRAID OF HUMAN BEINGS!
By the way, I did'nt know that the schools ended early to day.
Posted by: Erling Krange at August 2, 2006 11:53 AM
I had to post this article in its entirety.
The Power of Pride
Alan Bisbort
Hartford (apj.us) - The bumper stickers read "The Power of Pride" with the blue letters following the red and white contours of an unfurled American flag. That's all the bumper stickers say. But what are they really saying? What makes the bearers of this sticker so proud?
That the nation is in the hands of the most hated man on the planet, who has dragged America's good name through the mud, a stain that will take two generations to remove, if indeed it can be removed?
That America is always right, even when she's wrong?
Or that America is proud even when the government behaves in ways that collectively shame us?
On the other hand, maybe the people who put it on their cars don't think about it, or much of anything, at all. Chances are they have a child or a loved one in uniform and this sticker is their hedge against their being harmed, a charm to ward off evil spirits. Nearly 3,000 American families know that feeling, tens of thousands more are coming to grips with loved ones wounded in body in spirit. And many more will experience that unimaginable pain before we are rid of the cancer in the White House and Congress.
In that case, one can understand their need to believe that the Liar in Chief and his inner circle of sociopaths, megalomaniacs and enablers are actually competent, decent, honest leaders and that what they do in their nation's name is something about which they can take pride. Their power of denial is almost as strong as their power of pride.
Eventually that denial--when they realize they've been lied to, their children murdered under false pretenses--will break and all hell will be loosed. The recent ugliness in Lebanon, which America did nothing to prevent or, once started, to stop, will likely have only two major impacts, both bad: Many more Americans are going to die in the Middle East and the price of oil will rise to unprecedented levels, causing financial ruin to millions of Americans while the Republican Elite, their portfolios stuffed with petroleum and defense industry stock, will line their pockets.
Still, though the power of denial is one thing, the power of pride baffles me. Pride in small doses can be a good thing--taking pride in your work, your appearance, etc.--as long as it's not the overriding part of your personality. I confess to a certain amount of pride when I've written something that raises the blood pressure of even one right-winger, gotten him so worked up that he suffers a wave of anxiety, usually relieved by penning an anonymous personal threat to me or calling my house and hanging up when I answer. Likewise, my dog feels pride, I suppose, when he's evacuated a particularly large amount of solid fecal matter in the hated neighbor's yard. And so on.
But, no, since you asked, I am not swelled with pride about America. I do not feel that "Power of Pride," nor do I think pride is warranted right now. Just for the record--and to preempt all those pride-swollen self-appointed patriots who will take exception with this--I did feel pride for my nation at one time. I grew up, the son, grandson and nephew of decorated U.S. Army colonels, feeling that my country was a beacon of freedom to the world. The happiest days of my childhood were spent on American military bases around the world. It might indeed be that experience that has made me more sensitive to America's failings. As Neil Young sings on his extraordinary new album Living With War: "America is beautiful but she's got an ugly side."
I've now lived long enough to realize why Pride (aka superbia or hubris) is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, along with gluttony, greed, lust, envy, anger, sloth. (Imagine someone with a bumper sticker that reads "The Power of Sloth" or "The Joy of Envy").
Pride is, however, the all-powerful sin. It, in fact, has been called "the father of all sins." Gluttony, for example, is thought of as pride in one's consumption; Envy is a craving for the pride of others; Sloth is the sin of those too proud to consider anything new; Anger takes pride in violence; Greed takes pride in possessions and money; Lust takes pride in sexual consumption or the desire, usually unconsummated, for same.
According to the Bible (Proverbs 6: 16-19), God was clear on this score: "These six things doth the Lord hate; yea, seven are an abomination unto him: a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, a false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
While many definitions of pride have been tendered, Dante's might be the best of all, and the one that most accurately describes America's current excess, embodied by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the various assorted pundits of the mainstream press: "love of self perverted to hatred and contempt for one's neighbor."
Dante believed that Pride was the root of all sins. Thus, in the Purgatorio, he showed how all souls must be purged of that sin first. Then, they suffer diminishing horrors and punishments for the other six deadly sins. How, then, can there not be a space in Hell already reserved for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Hannity, O'Reilley, Matthews, Hume, Lieberman, Lott, et al, after their "Shock and awe" campaign amounted to the Nazis' preemptive Blitzkrieg campaigns against Poland, Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and France? Or the announcement of "Mission accomplished" when the mission had not even been named? Or "Enduring freedom" for a country--no, an entire region--now reduced to total chaos? All of these are terms of overweening pride.
America's sin of Pride, its worship of the Power of Pride, has had predictable results. The Pew Global Attitudes Project, which interviewed 93,000 people in 50 countries over the past four years, has shown the rest of the world hates the United States now and the taint of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al., has now "trickled down" to the rest of us. Regardless of how we feel about these criminals in power, simply because we are Americans we are hated almost equally by Europeans, Asians and Arabs.
As the Times of London reported, "Majorities around the world think Americans are greedy, violent and rude, and fewer than half in countries such as Poland, Spain, Canada, China and Russia think Americans are honest...Few analysts expect more than marginal improvements, short of another Sept. 11. The dislike is accelerating among youth. The problem...is Americans, not just [President] Bush. In increasing numbers, people around the globe resent U.S. power and wealth and reject specific actions such as the occupation of Iraq and the campaign against democratically elected Palestinian leaders...America's image problem is pervasive, deep and perhaps permanent, analysts say, an inevitable outcome of being the world's only superpower."
The Power of Pride has pissed away 230 years of American history.
Heckuva job, Bushy!
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 12:02 PM
#62
Capt,
That is too funny for words. I don't think Dennis Miller could have ever envisioned what a laugh riot he would cause years later.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 12:03 PM
SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THIS MARCH TO FRIENDS AND TO THE MEDIA. DEMAND THE MSM COVER THESE MARCHES.
From National council of Arab Americans
Lebanon, Iraq to Palestine -
OCCUPATION IS A CRIME!
AUGUST 12, 2006
NATIONAL EMERGENCY MARCH ON WASHINGTON
Details on Washington, DC
Details on Los Angeles
Details on San Diego
Details on San Francisco
More Information Here...
WASHINGTON, DC
Permits have been obtained for Lafayette Park directly in front of the White House for the opening rally of the mass demonstration in Washington DC on August 12. There has been an amazing response to this call for a national emergency action to protest the U.S. -Israeli war against the Palestinian and Lebanese people. The streets around the White House will fill up with a sea of protestors on August 12. Read the call to action for August 12.
Hundreds of organizations from around the country have endorsed and pledged to mobilize for the August 12 demonstration which was initiated by the ANSWER Coalition (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism), the National Council of Arab Americans (NCA) and the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation. If you would like to endorse the demonstration please click here
DEMAND THAT DIANE REHM DO A SHOW FOCUSED ON PALESTINIAN REFUGEES AND ON FOLKS IN THE U.S. WHO WERE FORCED OFF OF THEIR LANDS AND HAD TO FLEE THEIR HOMES.
THIS MORNING DIANE REHM DID A LOP SIDED SHOW ON CUBA AND HAD PLENTY OF CUBANS ON WHO WERE FORCED OR DECIDED TO LEAVE CUBA.. They did allow one caller through who shared another perspective on Cuba. I guess this is what they call fair and balanced reporting.
WHEN WILL SHE DO A SHOW JUST ON THE PALESTINIANS. WHEN?
Posted by: kathleen at August 2, 2006 12:04 PM
At Wayne Madsen today:
Brothers versus brothers. Bush and his right-wing Cuban-American friends and donors engaged in a macabre Castro death watch in Miami. President George W. and Florida Governor Jeb Bush, two brothers who owe their offices to the power of the right-wing Cuban-American community in south Florida, engaged in a macabre and sinister death watch for Cuban President Fidel Castro while being hosted by wealthy Cuban-American supporters.
As Castro was rushed to the hospital suffering from internal bleeding, just two weeks after visiting, along with Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez, the boyhood home of Che Guevara in Alta Gracia, Argentina, the Bush brothers began planning action against the Cuban government and the two Castro brothers -- Fidel and Raul. Defense Minister Raul Castro took over the reins of power from Fidel, the first time the Cuban leader had given up power since 1959.
More here
Sinister bastards looking for even MORE money, as if they do not have enough already.
Posted by: DEN at August 2, 2006 12:05 PM
At Wayne Madsen today:
Brothers versus brothers. Bush and his right-wing Cuban-American friends and donors engaged in a macabre Castro death watch in Miami. President George W. and Florida Governor Jeb Bush, two brothers who owe their offices to the power of the right-wing Cuban-American community in south Florida, engaged in a macabre and sinister death watch for Cuban President Fidel Castro while being hosted by wealthy Cuban-American supporters.
As Castro was rushed to the hospital suffering from internal bleeding, just two weeks after visiting, along with Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez, the boyhood home of Che Guevara in Alta Gracia, Argentina, the Bush brothers began planning action against the Cuban government and the two Castro brothers -- Fidel and Raul. Defense Minister Raul Castro took over the reins of power from Fidel, the first time the Cuban leader had given up power since 1959.
More here
Sinister bastards looking for even MORE money, as if they do not have enough already.
Posted by: DEN at August 2, 2006 12:06 PM
WEBMASTER: Clicked post, started loading, kept loading, and loading, and loading, clicked stop loading page, clicked post again, same story, clicked back button and reloaded page, both had posted.
Posted by: DEN at August 2, 2006 12:13 PM
I want to thank the Israeli and American governments for opening our eyes to their evil ways. As more attacks occur, more information surfaces as to their evil and vile ways. Thank you, thank you!
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 12:17 PM
I want to thank the Israeli and American governments for opening our eyes to their evil ways. As more attacks occur, more information surfaces as to their evil and vile ways. Thank you, thank you!
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 12:18 PM
#95 kathleen, the truth shall set us free. God spoke to us the truth. He is the way, the truth, and the light. Praise be to Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior!!! God is my co-pilot!!!
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 12:29 PM
#68
Uncledad wrote...
The Navy released a report on hadifa today as well. But the media is preoccupied.
Yeah, Mel Gibson's drunk driving arrest is like really important. Like he changes policy. So I hope his story stays in the news for at least....6 months. He'll probably have to land on Oprah and Dr. Phil. And then of course Barbara Walters...complete with crying episode. I'm telling you if I ever get on with Barbara Walters I'm going to cry.
Ok, where was I? Mel Gibson...news...oh yes. But whatever the media does, they shouldn't put any really really relevant news on. People might get a clue if they do. Staying naive is so much easier.
Did you Democracy Now is on about 480 stations now? I wonder how big her viewing audience is. Did she report about Mel Gibson?
Oh well....
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 12:33 PM
kathleen, my comments should have highlighted your #93 post!
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 12:35 PM
#107 Jeanne, the MSM does a good job of distracting us away from the REALLY important issues, such as Bush and Olmert's murders and war crimes.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 12:38 PM
#88
Kathleen wrote,
WHAT A SET OF PRIORITIES THESE REPUBLICANS HAVE..THOSE PRIORTIES ARE IN THE GUTTER THEY DRAG THE AMERICAN PUBLIC INTO THE GUTTER WITH THEM.
Priorities? They're getting to the real priorities. By next week I expect to see legislation on the president's desk calling for the denunciation of Mel Gibson.
Republican priorities? I haven't figured that out but I can tell you what it looks like to me.
F**k the poor. F**k those being hurt in war. F**k those still living with the after effects of Katrina. F**k the economy. Oh and f**k the military.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 12:44 PM
When you care enough to do your very least
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 12:45 PM
#110, oh my! Jeanne is on a roll and heads will roll.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 12:49 PM
#97
Erling,
SCHOOLS OUT FOR SUMMER!!!!!
Well we got no choice
All the girls and boys
Makin all that noise
'Cause they found new toys
Well we can't salute ya
Can't find a flag
If that don't suit ya
That's a drag
School's out for summer
School's out forever...
Alice Cooper
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 12:51 PM
I just heard uncledad, now know as pillow bite, chose his post name when his little 10 year old sister gave birth after he molested her.
Therefore, uncledad fits I guess.
uncledad, if this is not true, do not respond.
If it is true, respond in any manner, even a make up some kind of fake denial, but only if it is true. Respond in any fashion and say anything, but only make some kind of response if it is true.
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 12:52 PM
Her name is B.J.
My dreams are more like nightmares that I cannot shake. Here is one of my nightmares.
Her actual name is Barbara Jenna Doe. B.J. was an all American young lady Ð attractive, intelligent, a vibrant personality who made people feel good. She was planning to go to Yale in the Fall. B.J. did very well on her SAT and Act tests. Her summer was planned in preparation to attend Yale in September.
The military draft was reinstated and B.J. received her letter to report to boot Camp in mid-August. In December B.J. came home for Christmas. Her parents were excited to see her. Daddy had a gleam in his eye every time B.J. was home. Barbara Jenna looked sharp and impressive in her formal military uniform. Her parents were proud of her.
After Christmas B.J. returned to camp and in mid-January B.J. and her company received orders that they were going to attack Iran as part of bush's Christmas wish list through more lies. In mid-February her parents received the dreaded letter saying that Barbara Jenna Doe was killed in action. The letter did not reveal how she was killed but friends were able to find out that B.J.'s truck hit a land mine. The truck exploded and her one leg went through the window of a nearby building; her torso remained with the truck; and her head went through the windshield of the truck and rolled down the street and stopped at a curb. What a waste of human potential to be killed for the bush lies.
B.J. was not like one of bush sr.'s fourteen grandchildren who have never served in the military services. She was drafted and she had to serve in the military armed services.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 12:55 PM
110 Jeanne
Come on Booger, lighten up, it's all good.
Posted by: val at August 2, 2006 12:59 PM
Democracy Now has a show dealing with Cuba for anyone interested.
Posted by: Jeanne at August 2, 2006 01:00 PM
Watching the media in a time of crisis
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:01 PM
US Marine accused in Haditha case to sue Murtha
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060802/ts_nm/iraq_usa_haditha_dc
Is the RNC behind this tactic??
Posted by: KR at August 2, 2006 01:01 PM
Watch what politicians do, not just what they say.
Don't become a prisoner of the mainstream press either. Take responsibility for your media choices. Read widely and seek out diverse opinions: the Israeli Press, The Lebanese Press and Al Jazeera.net are all on line with many other online sources including GlobalVoicesOnline, JuanCole.com and Mediachannel. Independent reporters like Dahr Jamal are often closer to the truth on the ground than big media. Programs like MOSAIC on Link TV and Democracy Now often have more accurate and well-sourced news. Call on your favorite bloggers to stop ignoring the issue for fear of alienating readers.
Don't be lazy and let others think for you.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:05 PM
"Overkill"......David hit the nail on the head once again.
Posted by: kathleen at August 2, 2006 01:10 PM
John Murtha is the most feared man in that cesspool we know as Washington, D.C. That town loathes war heroes who speak the truth about wrong and immoral wars.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:11 PM
John Murtha would make a great president!
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:13 PM
How about this David for the title of an article about Senator Pat Roberts continued lying, stalling, and interfering with Phase II of the SSCI.
REPUBLICAN SENATOR PAT ROBERTS II PHASED.
Posted by: kathleen at August 2, 2006 01:18 PM
I was listening to a priest and he said that humility is necessary to reach heaven. John Murtha vote for the Iraq war but he has humbled himself as being wrong and he swallowed his pride and he now speaks out against a wrong and an immoral war. John Murtha is on the path to heaven.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:21 PM
The Peculiar Disappearance of the War in Iraq
By Frank Rich
07/30/06 "New York Times" -- -- As America fell into the quagmire of Vietnam, the comedian Milton Berle joked that the fastest way to end the war would be to put it on the last-place network, ABC, where it was certain to be canceled. Berle's gallows humor lives on in the quagmire in Iraq. Americans want this war canceled too, and first- and last-place networks alike are more than happy to oblige.
CNN will surely remind us today that it is Day 19 of the Israel-Hezbollah war - now branded as Crisis in the Middle East - but you won't catch anyone saying it's Day 1,229 of the war in Iraq. On the Big Three networks' evening newscasts, the time devoted to Iraq has fallen 60 percent between 2003 and this spring, as clocked by the television monitor, the Tyndall Report. On Thursday, Brian Williams of NBC read aloud a "shame on you" e-mail complaint from the parents of two military sons anguished that his broadcast had so little news about the war.
Posted by: kathleen at August 2, 2006 01:27 PM
John Murtha VOTED for the war and not vote for the war.
John Murtha adds hope in reaching for the truth to a body in Congress where lies, corruption, decadence, and greed reign supreme.
Posted by: Gerald at August 2, 2006 01:28 PM
uncle/PillowBite/dad
you are so cool. You invite people to visit, if someone very politely accepts your invitation, you threaten them, then later threaten again to unleash on them. Ooooohhh you are so scary. I have only one question. If you divorce, I know she would not still be your wife, but would she still be your little sister?
Posted by: kitty at August 2, 2006 01:29 PM
122 Gerald/Ear Wax
John Murtha is just a poor, senile old man, who, like all the weak and infirm, was pounced on by wicked, evil Libs to further their own deceitful agenda. We should all feel sorrow and pity for a sick old man with a back full of Liberal political parasites sucking the life from him.
Posted by: kitty at August 2, 2006 01:39 PM
17
Gerald,
Oh yes...that's right. Five deferments. Hmmm and what was George Bush doing during this time, ahhh you know when Kerry was in Viet Nam?
Jeanne
Dudett, we all know he wasn't a road scholar burning the US flag like Coward Clinton. Poor Clinton even makes Cheney and Bush look like heros.
he he he
Posted by: Butt Head at August 2, 2006 01:41 PM
It seems to me that the Trolls are not to much educated.
Erling
Dude that's funny :
"not much educated"
"not much educated"
"not much educated"
he he he, I just like to say that cuz it's damn funny!!!!
Erling, the socialist, say's troll are not much educated.
he he he
Erling we call that a bunghole here in the US.
Posted by: Butt Head at August 2, 2006 01:48 PM
Bush wasn't running away from his crew members, like a coward in his swift boat, as the man floated in the water while being shot at.
Posted by: kitty at August 2, 2006 01:51 PM
Bush wasn't running away from his crew members, like a coward in his swift boat, as the man floated in the water while being shot at.
no. bush was dancing naked on a bar stool with some of his queerbait AWOL peers.
Posted by: spy on this! at August 2, 2006 01:54 PM
g bush? he was observed dancing naked on a bar stool for the enjoyment of his perv peers
spy on this
Dude, first you brag about looking a pregnant naked Britney Spears photo and now you're surfing for naked GWB. Sounds like your the one enjoying it. he he he
Dude, you don't even qualify for a bunghole you perve! he he he
Posted by: Butt Head at August 2, 2006 01:58 PM
spy on this = queerbait AWOL peers
You're such a homophobe bigot dude!
Posted by: Butt Head at August 2, 2006 02:01 PM
133 spy
Bush wasn't running away from his crew members, like a coward in his swift boat, as the man floated in the water while being shot at.
no. bush was dancing naked on a bar stool with some of his queerbait AWOL peers
....................
Was he with Bill Clinton degrading, belittling and raping women?
Posted by: kitty at August 2, 2006 02:03 PM
#97 Jeanne, I was so eager to describe a troll, that I forgot about the school holiday. Anyway, also according to our bedside stories, the TROLLS can't stand the daylight, they crack up and die at sunrise if they're outside their caves.
Posted by: Erling Krange at August 2, 2006 02:12 PM
Erling Krange,
When I was a small child, much like spy on this is right now, I remember sitting at the dinner table in shocked amazement, listening to my Grand Pa. I had asked Grand Ma about Norway, where she and Grand Pa were from. Grand Ma said, "ask your Grand Pa, he has many stories about Norway". I will never forget the look of shame on Grandpa's face when he said, in his broken English, "I am American now, Norway is coward". It wasn't until
years later, I learned Norway had cowardly surrendered to Hitler. He was so ashamed of his cowardly homeland, Grandpa never spoke of Norway to me again.
Posted by: Olaf at August 2, 2006 02:20 PM