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August 25, 2006

HUBRIS, the New Book: A Tease, a Plea

It's coming. My new book. The title: HUBRIS: THE INSIDE STORY OF SPIN, SCANDAL, AND THE SELLING OF THE IRAQ WAR. I cowrote it with Newsweek correspondent Michael Isikoff. The publisher is Crown. Here's the jacket copy:

Filled with explosive revelations, HUBRIS is a gripping narrative that takes the reader behind the scenes at the Bush White House, CIA, Pentagon, State Department, and Congress to disclose the controversial decisions and turf battles that occurred in the highest circles and most covert corners of the administration as officials planned and marketed the invasion of Iraq-and then sought to defend the war. HUBRIS connects the dots between George W. Bush's determination to get rid of Saddam Hussein, the role of neoconservatives in pushing the case for war, the manipulations of Iraqi exiles, and the outing of a CIA officer that led to the indictment of a top White House official. Written by veteran reporters Michael Isikoff and David Corn, it's the insider tale of how Bush took the country to war using faulty and fraudulent intelligence.

Among the book's startling disclosures:

....Sorry, I cannot say just yet. But there will be several. You will know about some of them very soon. In the meantime, I would like to make a request of the visitors to this site: buy the book. Isikoff and I need your support. This site has good traffic. (I know who you are!) If many of you purchase the book when it becomes available--I'll get you the on-sale date soon--it will help launch it. I am asking for your help. Blogs are supposed to be interactive, with writers and readers forging the sort of dynamic relationship that did not generally exist in the days of the static Old Media. Well, dear readers, I hope in return for what I provide on this site--information, amusement, views for you to embrace or hate, and a forum for those of you who want to vent or debate--you can back me up on this book. (Anyone who wants to order it right away, can click here for the book's Amazon.com page.)

I'll be revealing more about its contents in the days ahead--but not too much. Unlike this website, I can't give away all the good stuff for free.

Posted by David Corn at August 25, 2006 12:07 AM

Comments

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Mr. David Corn,

We have been waiting and are anxious to get a copy!

I think you will see pre-orders at Amazon TODAY!

Thanks for all of your work!

Kirk

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 09:10 AM

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Bought a copy today. Good luck on sales.

Posted by: john at August 25, 2006 09:11 AM

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FYI - Amazon Shipping estimate for these items: October 9, 2006 - October 12, 2006

Delivery estimate: October 16, 2006 - October 25, 2006 (order placed this morning)

"Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War"

******

Four to six weeks of tease - please!

Waiting has to be half of the fun! I cannot wait to read it!


capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 09:20 AM

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Congratulations on finishing the book, David. I'll be ordering from Amazon tonight after work.

Posted by: Don at August 25, 2006 09:36 AM

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AWESOME! Thanks for the annoucement. I hope I enjoy it half as much as your last book. Will we be seeing you on Charlie Rose, Letterman, The Daily Show, Bloggerhead.TV?

Congrats!

Posted by: O'Reilly at August 25, 2006 09:56 AM

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David Congratulations! Can't wait for the startling conclusions. Not only will I commit to buying your book, I will push it at another fund raiser that we are putting on for Congressman Ted STrickland on Sept 10,here in Athens Ohio. We have David Willhelm (who ran Clinton's campaign) coming to speak.

I will buy Wilhelm a copy as a gift.

The main reason for buying your book will not be for the gift you provide for us here. I will buy your book because I believe you are an excellent reporter (even though I do not agree with all of your opinions). I firmly believe you are committed to shedding your journalistic light on the facts.

Posted by: kathleen at August 25, 2006 09:59 AM

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David, hope you'll go on tour. I'd love to get mine signed in you come to Chicago. Also, not sure if you are familiar with a Saturday show broadcast from Northwestern (also available as poscast) called This is Hell. Great 4-hour live show with some of the most amazing interviews I have ever heard. Chomsky, etc. You should be on that show, it has a great following. thisishell.net.

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 10:20 AM

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David, hope you'll go on tour. I'd love to get mine signed in you come to Chicago. Also, not sure if you are familiar with a Saturday show broadcast from Northwestern (also available as poscast) called This is Hell. Great 4-hour live show with some of the most amazing interviews I have ever heard. Chomsky, etc. You should be on that show, it has a great following. thisishell.net.

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 10:21 AM

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David, hope you'll go on tour. I'd love to get mine signed in you come to Chicago. Also, not sure if you are familiar with a Saturday show broadcast from Northwestern (also available as poscast) called This is Hell. Great 4-hour live show with some of the most amazing interviews I have ever heard. Chomsky, etc. You should be on that show, it has a great following. thisishell.net.

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 10:22 AM

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Sorry, computer glitch, Safari crash.

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 10:23 AM

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7,8,9 David, She REALLY hopes you go on tour. ;-)

Posted by: O'Reilly at August 25, 2006 10:29 AM

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History, Repeating Itself

By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Thursday, August 24, 2006; 11:56 AM

There is a popular sentiment among the Washington elite that what went wrong in the run-up to the war in Iraq has been sufficiently examined, and that it's all water under the bridge anyway.

It's popular in the White House and among Republicans for obvious reasons. But it's also remarkably popular among top Democrats and the establishment media, because they aren't all that eager to call any more attention to the fact that they were played for suckers.

There are, however, some people who believe that what led this country to launch a war of choice under false pretenses must be examined in detail -- over and over again if necessary -- until the appropriate lessons have been learned.

Otherwise, one might argue, history is doomed to repeat itself.

Enter history, stage right.

Once again, powerful neoconservative politicians who just know in their hearts that there is a terrible threat posed by a Middle Eastern country they have identified as part of the axis of evil are frustrated by the lack of conclusive evidence that would support a bellicose approach. So they are pressuring the nation's intelligence community to find facts that will support their argument.

This time, that scenario is being played out right in front of our eyes. Maybe that will make a difference?

More HERE

Posted by: O'Reilly at August 25, 2006 10:31 AM

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Gee, I really hope David goes onn tour. ;-P yerself, O'Reilly.

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 10:36 AM

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David:

I hope I'm the first on the Conservative side of your blog to offer you congratulations on finishing the book! These past 8 months, you've mentioned your new book about as many times as I have about my passions (at this stage of life): Boy Scouting & the stock markets!

I'm curious of a couple of things, why you co-authored with another fella and the "startling disclosures" which I suspect, involved more leaks!

In any case, I will buy a copy of your new book! I'm unlikley to read it in its entirety....the obvious reason is a lack of stomach but mostly because I generally find political books boring.

BTW: On more than one occassion, when I cruise used book shops, I've tried to find your "The Lies of.." without success!

Posted by: Happy congrats to David at August 25, 2006 10:37 AM

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14 Hey Money bags, buy a new copy of Lies, it's a good read and with the time you spend on this blog, you might consider putting a little cash in Corn's pocket.

Posted by: O'Reilly at August 25, 2006 10:39 AM

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ChiGirl, What do Chicagoins think of Fitzy?

Posted by: O'Reilly at August 25, 2006 10:42 AM

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O'Reilly;

IF Davids sets up some `donation' mechanism, he can count me!

Like a lot of fund-rasing mechanisms, most of the money that leaves my wallet, don't end up where I want it to go!

Posted by: Happy to O' at August 25, 2006 10:45 AM

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http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/40693/

I can't speak for Chicago at large, other than to say they think mostly about sports. And beer. But this was a rather disturbing article from Alternet. Smear campaign?

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 10:48 AM

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Count me in for reserving a copy when I get home from work.

Posted by: eyes_open at August 25, 2006 10:48 AM

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Corn is on the Diane Rehm show right now.

He continues to demonstrate his integrity. A caller just brought up Israel's stockpiles that go unchecked. Tony Blakely avoided the question. David took it on and said that "Israel has been able to flought (sp?) it's disregard for the Non-proliferation treaty"..

Go David stick to the facts

Posted by: kathleen at August 25, 2006 10:51 AM

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Congratulations, David, on completing your book. My husband just ordered a copy on his Amazon account.

Now, we'll await our "October surprise" -- the arrival of your book.

Thanks for all your hard work and for being such a gracious host.

PS Do you have any way of knowing the number of pre-publication purchases from Amazon? That would be interesting to know...

Posted by: Micki at August 25, 2006 10:52 AM

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Corn is on the Diane Rehm show right now.

He continues to demonstrate his integrity. A caller just brought up Israel's stockpiles that go unchecked. Tony Blakely avoided the question. David took it on and said that "Israel has been able to flought (sp?) it's disregard for the Non-proliferation treaty"..

Go David stick to the facts

Posted by: kathleen at August 25, 2006 10:52 AM

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Corn is on the Diane Rehm show right now.

He continues to demonstrate his integrity. A caller just brought up Israel's stockpiles that go unchecked. Tony Blakely avoided the question. David took it on and said that "Israel has been able to flought (sp?) it's disregard for the Non-proliferation treaty"..

Go David stick to the facts

Posted by: kathleen at August 25, 2006 10:52 AM

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COOOL! New book! Spool up the presses, bestseller coming soon! Knock em dead!

Posted by: DEN at August 25, 2006 10:53 AM

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Sorry I am not sure what happenned

Posted by: kathleen at August 25, 2006 10:54 AM

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Sorry I am not sure what happenned

Posted by: kathleen at August 25, 2006 10:56 AM

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18 Fitzgerald repeatedly intentionally covered up evidence to make the federal goverment look good in the mid 90's? HUH? There is SO much spin in there I'm dizzy. Whay do you make of it?

Posted by: O'Reilly at August 25, 2006 10:56 AM

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David, bythe way, you have issues with aserver1.securesites.net, their appears to be an infestation causing double and triple posts, just stalls out.

Posted by: DEN at August 25, 2006 10:56 AM

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Dunno, O'Reilly. Perhaps like Powell, he's a good soldier.

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 10:59 AM

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Posters: click "Post" only once! let run for 30 seconds then hit "stop loading page" icon, your info will still be in "comments" box but it will have posted anyway.

Posted by: DEN at August 25, 2006 11:00 AM

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This calls for a Joke!

THIS IS A NONPARTISAN JOKE THAT CAN BE ENJOYED BY BOTH PARTIES!

NOT ONLY THAT, IT IS POLITICALLY CORRECT!!

While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

"Welcome to heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the man. "Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

"Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the senator.

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse. Standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf; and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.

Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.

Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.

"Now it's time to visit heaven."

So, 24 hours pass with the Senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time. Before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

"Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity."

The Senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: "Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.

He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder.

"I don't understand," stammers the Senator. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse. We ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.

What happened?"

The devil looks at him, smiles and says,

"Yesterday we were campaigning...... Today you voted."

Posted by: DEN at August 25, 2006 11:04 AM

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30 TRUE. Hit post once. You have to wait but it comes back. Get two sessions if you can't wait.

Posted by: O'Reilly at August 25, 2006 11:04 AM

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HUBRIS by David Corn & Michael Isikoff

ABOUT THIS BOOK

March 2003: The United States invades Iraq.

October 2006: The world finds out why.

What was really behind the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq? As George W. Bush steered the nation to war, who spoke the truth and who tried to hide it? Hubris takes us behind the scenes at the Bush White House, the CIA, the Pentagon, the State Department, and Congress to answer all the vital questions about how the Bush administration came to invade Iraq.

Filled with new revelations, Hubris is a gripping narrative of intrigue that connects the dots between George W. Bush’s expletive-laden outbursts at Saddam Hussein, the bitter battles between the CIA and the White House, the fights within the intelligence community over Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction, the startling influence of an obscure academic on top government officials, the real reason Valerie Plame was outed, and a top reporter’s ties to wily Iraqi exiles trying to start a war. Written by veteran reporters Michael Isikoff and David Corn, this is the inside story of how President Bush took the nation to war using faulty and fraudulent intelligence. It is a news-making account of conspiracy, backstabbing, bureaucratic ineptitude, journalistic malfeasance, and, especially, arrogance.
+++++

"a top reporter's ties to wily Iraqi exiles..." Must be Judas Miller, a FORMER top reporter, eh?

Posted by: Micki at August 25, 2006 11:07 AM

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Valerie Plame and Iran Nukes

Part of why 'we don't know shit about Iran'


Josh and Lindsay are slightly at odds on how to read the recent report stating that our intelligence on Iran is somewhere between sucky and crappy.

Lindsay is essentially pointing to it as indicative of the idiocy of our foreign policy establishment while Josh reads it as more of a scare tactic in service of the great Fear as Invasion Motivator game sweeping the nation.

Here's another interesting wrinkle, from Juan Cole:


First of all, former CIA professional Larry Johnson and Jim Marcinkowski point out that the Republicans have a lot of damn gall. It was high members of this Republican administration who leaked to the Iranians and the whole world the name of Valerie Plame, an undercover CIA operative who spent her professional career combatting the proliferation of WMD and was, at the time she was betrayed by Traitor Rove and his merry band, working on Iran. Had it not been for these Republican figures, none of whom has yet been punished in any way for endangering US national security, we might know more about Iran.

Good work guys. Good work.

In any case, here's the good news and the bad news:

GOOD: Whatever we do or don't know about Iran in terms of intelligence, the fact remains, as Josh wrote: Iran is still at least 5-10 years away from being able to produce a nuclear weapon.

BAD: After assessing the rhetoric and BS reports, Juan Cole concludes: "Folks, we are being set up again." (JuanCole)


More HERE

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Interesting.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 11:09 AM

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No posting issues from here in the ABQ? I am having some stall accessing a few other sites. Just slow - no error.

Maybe a part of the backbone between you guys and The Corn-server?


capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 11:11 AM

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On Global Warming, Time for Action - Tell Congress!

This summer might be the hottest on record, and scientists believe that global warming is the culprit. Americans agree it's time for the U.S. to act, putting in place solutions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, reverse global warming and make our economy more energy efficient. Global warming solutions are at Congress' fingertips. Two key bills the Safe Climate Act and the Global Warming Pollution Reduction Act would, if passed, begin to reverse the disastrous effects of climate change.

Congress can carve out a cleaner and better future for us Рtell them to seize this opportunity! Complete the form to send the letter below to your representatives in Congress


Send Message HERE

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Keyboard activism. If you agree with the cause.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 11:16 AM

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Good for you David. The new book is bound to be a success.

Posted by: Saladin at August 25, 2006 11:19 AM

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Capt, coming from the League of Conservative Voters, are those bills actually progressive? Or is it just another Orwellian misnomer like Clear Skies and Healthy Forests? I am not familiar enough with the specifics to sign this. Though I fully support activism.

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 11:22 AM

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The Conservative World Champs

Mr. Vance talks about the National Review magazine, a leading conservative rag.

On page 4 of the July 17th issue we are told that the U.S. House’s approval of a line-item veto for President Bush is "a small step toward sensible budget reform." Also on page 4, the president’s goal of shrinking the budget deficit is now working: "revenues are increasing and the deficit is rapidly shrinking." But as I pointed out last year, "Conservatives who think for a minute that if President Bush were given a line item veto then he would suddenly turn into a fiscal conservative and rein in Congressional spending are naïve or just plain stupid." And if deficits are "rapidly shrinking," why did Bush earlier this year sign into law a $781 billion increase in the ceiling on the national debt to nearly $9 trillion? Interest payments on this debt totaled $352 billion for fiscal year 2005. A budget deficit that is less than projected is still a budget deficit. On page 12 we are told that "the longer Iran is allowed to dodge penalties for its nuclear activities, the closer it comes to building an atomic bomb." Okay, then why did Bush's recent nuclear deal with India include the U.S. lifting its ban on selling nuclear technology to India? Oh, I see – it is only certain countries that we don’t want to have "nuclear activities." For more on Iran, see the August 28th issue below. On page 15 there is a defense of the re-labeled "Terrorist Finance Tracking Program." On this see James Bovard's recent piece in The American Conservative. On page 27 there is a defense of the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay by Bing West, a former "assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration." West admits, however, that many of the detainees "could not be convicted in an American courtroom, because they were captured on battlefields without physical evidence or witnesses to a crime." Then on page 51 we are told that since the United States has been in Guantanamo since 1898 that we have a "formal historical right to remain there." In fact, the United States "is permanently at liberty to maintain a naval base" there.

We now have a bottomless well for budget deficits. This is the mentality of the modern conservative thinking. The rich get the tax breaks and the middle class must pay the bills.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 11:30 AM

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#38 Con-ser-va-tion

I know it's easy to miss that. My brother did, too, when I sent this to him.

Posted by: Micki at August 25, 2006 11:35 AM

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Israeli Leadership Loses Support, US Investigates Cluster Bomb Use

Israel may no longer be battling Hezbollah, but the political fallout from the conflict is growing. Support for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and the Israeli military leadership has plunged. Meanwhile, the United States is investigating Israel's use of US-made cluster bombs in civilian areas in Lebanon.


Amid increasing criticism over the handling of Israel's month-long campaign against Hezbollah, Israeli army chief Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz has admitted making mistakes and announced there will be an investigation.

"Parallel to our successes there were in certain areas mistakes, particularly on the logistical and operational levels, as well as from the command," he said in a written statement to the army. "This investigation concerns us all from me down to the last soldier."

[..]

Likely to add to the Israeli government woes is news that the United States is looking into reports that Israel used US-made cluster bombs in civilian areas in Lebanon -- contrary to secret agreements between the two countries.

More HERE

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"contrary to secret agreements between the two countries."

Secret agreements? I might be mistaken but the use of "cluster-bombs" in populated areas is against international law. If it is not it should be. "Cluster-bomb's" are anti-personnel weapons and using them in a populated area is to intend to cause as many fatalities as possible without concern for collateral and civilian casualties.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 11:36 AM

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Iraqis Loot Base After British Leave

By HAIDAR HANI

AMARAH, Iraq (AP) - Looters ravaged a former British base Friday, a day after the camp was turned over to Iraqi troops, taking everything from doors and window frames to corrugated roofing and metal pipes, authorities said.

About 1,200 British troops had been stationed at Camp Abu Naji in Amarah, 200 miles southeast of Baghdad, and the base had come under almost daily attack. The troops pulled out Thursday to redeploy along the border with Iran to crack down on weapons smuggling.

Shortly after the troops pulled out, Iraqi police managed to disperse looters by firing warning shots into the air, said Dhaffar Jabbar, spokesman for the Maysan provincial governor's office. But the looters returned Friday.

More here

Posted by: DEN at August 25, 2006 11:36 AM

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Ach so, Perhaps that's their strategery. Signed and sent.

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 11:41 AM

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Chi-girl,

League of Conservation Voters not conservative if that is what you mean? Act For Change and Working Assets are all pretty solid progressive organizations:


ACTFORCHANGE ACTIVISM UPDATE: August 25, 2006

ActForChange and Working Assets are proud to bring you an urgent alert from the League of Conservation Voters, calling on Congress to pass legislation to begin addressing the global warming crisis. I urge you to visit the League of Conservation Voters site and take action today.

Will Easton
Manager, ActForChange.com/Working Assets

AND

In particular, Rep. Waxman's Safe Climate Act would:

Require gains in energy efficiency, increased use of renewable energy, and cleaner cars.

Provide flexibility to help companies meet the pollution-reduction goals through a "cap-and-trade" program.

Sen. Jeffords' Global Warming Pollution Reduction Act would:

Require that power plants, automobiles and carbon-intensive businesses reduce their global warming pollution.

Require the U.S. to derive 20% of its electricity from renewable sources by 2020.

These are the bold science-based solutions we need. As Rep. Waxman said, "It's simply too late for legislative baby steps."

*******

Of course I do not recommend anybody support something at face value. Just hoping some will check it out for themselves. If they decide to support - great but it is the "checking it out" that I endorse.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 11:48 AM

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Indeed, I agree Capt. I have a friend who says that if you really care about the environment, you should kill yourself. He had a point, albeit a cynical one. That said, I am big supporter of the NRDC and a member of working assets. So I am down with this. Cheers.

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 11:52 AM

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David you're the best, and I mean that. I watch you every week on Eye on Washington with Derek McGinty and I'm sure that I'll read your book. Sadly, I'm part of a vast, unsung minority of Americans: Readers. There is so much vital information out there at people's fingertips that they just won't commit their time to, or they just don't care to know about. Americans seem to be generally happy living in the dark. I'm afraid that if we don't start using our eyes for something beyond music videos and bad reality tv and movies it's going to get a whole lot darker. There won't be enough light left for any of us to read. George W. has had a bone to pick with intelligence in all of its forms, not being a great practitioner of it, again in all of its forms. That's why he keeps insulting America's intelligence. He doesn't like it and he doesn't wnat us to believe in it. He sure has done a bang up job so far. Keep writing. I'll keep reading.

Posted by: Mygoodness at August 25, 2006 11:59 AM

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Filled with explosive revelations,

Explosive revelations coming through!
Make way for the explosive revelations!

FIRST IT WAS THE SHOES...

Posted by: oSix at August 25, 2006 12:00 PM

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I care SO MUCH about the environment, I'm going to kill myself after I annialate all the people on factchecker's hit list.

Posted by: Happy too at August 25, 2006 12:01 PM

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Conservation Voters New Mexico

Protecting New Mexico, One Vote at a Time


Conservation Voters New Mexico, a nonpartisan, non-profit 501c(4) organization, works to protect New Mexico's natural environment and our cherished way of life. Our mission is to make sensible conservation policies a top priority for elected officials, political candidates, and voters across the state. We do this by:

Educating legislators and the public on critical conservation issues;

Lobbying on behalf of pro-conservation legislation;

Holding legislators accountable for decisions that impact the environment; and

Endorsing and electing pro-conservation candidates to public office.


More HERE

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I recommend the Federation of State Conservation Voter Leagues for state level conservation issues. We (in NM) just helped "pass one of the strongest Solar Tax Credit bills in the country during New Mexico's 2006 state legislative session"

Non-Partisan pro-environment. One of the few org's I send money to support (CVNM).

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 12:02 PM

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BS Is Rising

Of course, I don't begrudge someone who chooses to read that much literature. That is, if that someone is a student or an author or a shut-in or a prison inmate or simply a person who is fortunate enough to have a buttload of free time. But the president, any president, shouldn't have more free time than you and I.

I honestly don't believe he's read one book ever in his entire life, much less 60. Furthermore, how can his feeble monkey brain possibly retain or comprehend anything he's reading? Does he look at the pages and just see a series of squiggly lines? I think he does. Why else would he say the following?

"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't that interesting?"--Showing German newspaper reporter Kai Diekmann the Oval Office, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006 (from Slate)
He admitted to reading three (or four -- he's not sure about that either) books about George Washington, yet the only knowledge he could pass along to the German reporter was that... he read three (or four) books about George Washington. I mean, he couldn't even regurgitate anything beyond "the first president."

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 12:04 PM

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Capt,

Bookmarked for Illinois. I'll peruse it when I have more time. Gotta run. Thanks.

ChiGirl

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 12:06 PM

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Judge Nixes Plame Secrecy Bid

Ex-CIA agent wanted home address sealed in leak lawsuit

AUGUST 25--A federal judge yesterday turned down a request from former CIA agent Valerie Plame and her husband that the couple's address be kept secret in court filings in her lawsuit against Bush administration officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney. In an August 11 motion, Plame and Joseph Wilson argued that their privacy would be jeopardized if their Washington, D.C. residential address was included in court pleadings. But that request was rejected by Judge John Bates, who noted in an order filed yesterday that, "in less than thirty minutes, the Court was able to ascertain plaintiffs's residential address from multiples publicly available sources, including a database of federal government records." Bates added that the couple's lawyer, Christopher Wolf, has been quoted in one newspaper saying that he is Plame and Wilson's next-door neighbor, "and the residential address of that attorney is readily ascertainable."

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 12:07 PM

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I honestly don't believe he's read one book ever in his entire life, much less 60. Furthermore, how can his feeble monkey brain possibly retain or comprehend anything he's reading? Does he look at the pages and just see a series of squiggly lines? I think he does.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 12:08 PM

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#53 probably expains the chimp best of all!

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 12:10 PM

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Black students ordered to give up seats to whites

COUSHATTA -- Nine black children attending Red River Elementary School were directed last week to the back of the school bus by a white driver who designated the front seats for white children.

Posted by: WHITEY HAS THE STICK! at August 25, 2006 12:12 PM

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#53 probably expains the chimp best of all!

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 12:12 PM

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David,

I would be willing to buy your book if you promise to have evidence that backs up your claims unlike most liberal books on the market today. Isikof is a great writer, you lucked out getting a big name on board.

I do feel for the cornnuts that will have to give up their presicription drugs to buy your book or give up their supply of home oil, gas for their SUV or internet dues. As we have all read over the months how hard it's been for them to make ends meet under Bush!

Ha ha!

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 12:13 PM

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Bush and Saddam Should Both Stand Trial, Says Nuremberg Prosecutor

SAN FRANCISCO, Aug 25 (OneWorld) - A chief prosecutor of Nazi war crimes at Nuremberg has said George W. Bush should be tried for war crimes along with Saddam Hussein. Benjamin Ferenccz, who secured convictions for 22 Nazi officers for their work in orchestrating the death squads that killed more than 1 million people, told OneWorld both Bush and Saddam should be tried for starting "aggressive" wars--Saddam for his 1990 attack on Kuwait and Bush for his 2003 invasion of Iraq.

"Nuremberg declared that aggressive war is the supreme international crime," the 87-year-old Ferenccz told OneWorld from his home in New York. He said the United Nations charter, which was written after the carnage of World War II, contains a provision that no nation can use armed force without the permission of the UN Security Council.

Ferenccz said that after Nuremberg the international community realized that every war results in violations by both sides, meaning the primary objective should be preventing any war from occurring in the first place.

He said the atrocities of the Iraq war--from the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and the massacre of dozens of civilians by U.S. forces in Haditha to the high number of civilian casualties caused by insurgent car bombs--were highly predictable at the start of the war.

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Starting a war and making American an aggressor nation is despicable, amoral and antithetical to idea of freedom and self-government. Bush should be prosecuted for his war crimes. How can anybody try to assert he is not responsible and at fault for his mistakes, lies, manipulations and violations of the law? Bush should be tried, maybe a court would find him innocent?


capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 12:13 PM

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#53 probably explains the chimp best of all!

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 12:14 PM

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I would be willing to buy your book if. . .
Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 12:13 PM

Another dead head troll sponging off the David Corn. Buy the book sponge.

Posted by: Happy too at August 25, 2006 12:16 PM

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BS Is Rising

#53 probably explains the chimp best of all!

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 12:17 PM

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I have yet to read a single post from anybody that challenges even one point about the "Lies of George Bush (and the politics of deception)" -

No troll has ever challenged one point from the last book.

A telling point of fact, eh?

David is not just a talented writer he is a journalist and unlike the neocon wannabe's he backs his facts up with facts, not hot air.

So let us start at the beginning - Have you read the book that has been out for a few years? You know "The lies of" ?

If so, have you had any trouble understanding it?


capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 12:19 PM

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#55, the bus driver should be fired!!!

#58, yes, both should be prosecuted in the International Criminal Court. Bush is a murderer and a war criminal.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 12:21 PM

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There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The actual death toll is in excess of 10,000. (See the official records at the end of this piece.) Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded (and a published total of 25,000 wounded overall,), this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 2,000+ now being officially published.

THE REPUBLICAN'S WAR

Posted by: WHITEY HAS THE STICK! at August 25, 2006 12:23 PM

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Bush wagered his entire presidency and his personal freedom on an illegal and unwise invasion on the word of "Curveball" and few neocon-crazymen.

He does not have the judgement to decide issues as important as world peace.

He should be impeached - then tried in the ICC. His crimes are screaming for justice, hundreds of thousands have been killed, a Texas "my bad" is not going to cut it and his daddy cannot buy him out of this one.


capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 12:25 PM

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"No troll has ever challenged one point from the last book."

Oh, that's right, no troll has EVER read the book. They just come here to yip-yap and snipe at a word or phrase, derail whatever discussion we might be having. How insincere can they get?

They are as worthless as rain on a lake.


capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 12:28 PM

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Another dead head troll sponging off the David Corn. Buy the book sponge.


Relax minion! I said I might buy it!

I am some what turned off by the desperate plea to give him a jump start. If his book is any good it should take off on it's own.

Capt say's his first book was a block buster, so David should be able to crush Ann Coulter's best sellers in a matter of days! Can't wait to see!

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 12:34 PM

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David is not just a talented writer he is a journalist and unlike the neocon wannabe's he backs his facts up with facts, not hot air.


Like when he claimed Rove would be indicted?

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 12:38 PM

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They Walk the Line


Top environment reporters talk about journalism vs. Activism


With global warming, biodiversity loss, peak oil, and other environmental problems looming large, those who report on the issues face a dilemma: Do they report the facts dispassionately, or shift to advocacy? How do mainstream reporters deal with this issue? To find out, we asked a few of them.

[..]

I think reporters have been essentially duped by the public-relations specialists of the fossil-fuel lobby into presenting the issue of climate change as a debate. That way, the public will continue to shrug in the belief that it's still unsettled. For journalists, I think it's necessary only to report on what the major scientists are saying. And if there are counter-expressions within the legitimate scientific community, to reflect their relative weight within the community. That's neither advocacy nor activism. It's just clear, open-eyed reporting.


More HERE

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I think the last paragraph above is accurate and reasonable.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 12:38 PM

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Oh, that's right, no troll has EVER read the book.

Capt, had I know David had a NYT best seller, I would have read it. I will look for it next time I'm at Borders. Is it still in publication?

By the way, you make a great cheerleader!

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 12:41 PM

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Yes, but the Christian Coalition will still vote for Bush and his Nazi Party!!!

Christian Coalition Losing Chapters
By David Crary
The Associated Press

Wednesday 23 August 2006

Three disgruntled state affiliates have severed ties with the Christian Coalition of America, one of the nation's most powerful conservative groups during the 1990s but now buffeted by complaints over finances, leadership and its plans to veer into nontraditional policy areas.

"It's a very sad day for our people, but a liberating day," said John Giles, president of the coalition's Alabama chapter, which announced Wednesday that it was renaming itself and splitting from the national organization. The Iowa and Ohio chapters took similar steps this year.

Giles said he and his Alabama colleagues have "a dozen hard reasons" for the action but would elaborate on only one - a perception that the coalition's leadership was diverting itself from traditional concerns such as abortion and same-sex marriage to address other issues ranging from the environment to Internet access.

Giles predicted further defections and said the coalition was now left with only a half-dozen strong state chapters and a weak presence in Washington.

"In our prime, we were rated the seventh-most powerful lobbying organization in the country," he said. "Now, there's not even any blip on the radar screen."

At its peak, the coalition had a presence in every state, but in some cases a modest one.

The coalition's president, Roberta Combs, insisted her organization - which is $1 million in debt - would survive the defections, and was unapologetic about her interest in new directions.

"We're going to have a new mission, a new vision - much more broad-focused," she said. "They don't like some of the comments I've made about the environment and some of these other issues."

The coalition, which claims more than 2 million members, was founded in 1989 by religious broadcaster Pat Robertson and became politically powerful under Executive Director Ralph Reed before he left in 1997. Robertson, who turned over the presidency to Combs in 2002, has been criticized for provocative public statements, while Reed lost an election in Georgia last month after being linked to disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Jim Backlin, the coalition's vice president for legislative affairs, said the Reed situation harmed the organization because of heavy media coverage that constantly mentioned his past role with the coalition.

Backlin insisted, however, that the coalition remained influential among conservatives in Congress.

"Many of the congressional offices always look for Christian Coalition support right away when trying to get their bosses' legislation passed," he said.

On the political left, an activist who monitors conservative organizations said the coalition never recovered from Reed's departure - with its staff and annual budget shrinking.

"They've been in free-fall ever since," said Peter Montgomery of the liberal group People for the American Way. "It's not surprising that local affiliates want to distance themselves from this floundering organization."

Steve Scheffler, who led the breakaway of the coalition's Iowa chapter in March, blamed Combs herself for much of the friction, saying she didn't treat the heads of the state affiliates with respect.

"The relationship has been very poor - an F minus to say the least," he said. "Her abilities in leading a national organization are not good."

"The sooner the organization goes completely away, the better," he added. "They're a total disgrace."

Combs, in response, said, "I'm disappointed he'd feel that way."

In all three states with defecting chapters, there had been disputes with the coalition's national office over distribution of voter guides and political surveys. The national office, as part of an agreement with the Internal Revenue Service over its tax-exempt status, had asked the state chapters to submit any such materials for advance review, and Combs said the request was sometimes ignored.

In Alabama, according to Giles, some conservatives remained bitter toward Combs since she campaigned there in 2003 in support of a state tax increase.

The head of the breakaway Ohio chapter, Chris Long, said a particular source of concern was the coalition's recent collaboration with various grass-roots groups - some of them liberal - in lobbying for so-called "net neutrality" to safeguard equal access to the Internet.

"We were surprised that the national office took such a lead role on such an obscure issue, at time when marriage protection and stem cell research were being debated," Long said.

Combs said the coalition already has named new state directors for Iowa and Ohio, and she predicted it would retain the loyalty of supporters in all three states where chapters defected.

"There's enough room out there for everybody," she said.


Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 12:41 PM

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If past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior, LBH and Happy will join the discussion here of Hubris and add their opinions on arguments made in David Corns new book without buying it, reading it or even checking it out from the local library. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. Prove me wrong you superior conservative beings.

Posted by: Happy too at August 25, 2006 12:43 PM

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Russia rejects sanctions against Iran

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia on Friday rejected any talk for now of sanctions against Iran and France warned against conflict with Tehran, raising doubt whether it will face swift penalties for not halting nuclear work by an August 31 deadline.

Responding to an offer of economic incentives to stop enriching uranium, Iran hinted to six world powers on Tuesday it could curb its program as a result of talks to implement the package -- but not as a precondition as they demand.

The reply seemed designed to crack the ramshackle united front of four Western powers and Russia and China behind the U.N. Security Council deadline. The West sees Iran's nuclear work as a looming threat to peace. Russia and China do not.

"I know of no instances in world practice and previous experience in which sanctions have achieved their aim and proved effective," Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov told reporters during a trip to Russia's far east.

"Moreover, I believe that the question is not so serious at the moment for the U.N. Security Council or the group of six to consider any introduction of sanctions. Russia stands for further political and diplomatic efforts to settle the issue."

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I wonder, will Russia assert itself this time? They might be the deciding factor. I imagine if Russia was to side with Iran in the face of military action it might be the worst case scenario for the whole middle east. I also imagine many countries in the middle east might think the opposite.


capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 12:45 PM

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Great joke #31. Next, David I look forward
to another great book. Good luck.

Posted by: Joe at August 25, 2006 12:46 PM

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#64 Whitey, I believe the death toll is higher but the military defines the death toll by a certain standard. Americans would be outraged by the REAL numbers of dead soldiers.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 12:49 PM

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Happy too

Mr originality,

I would love to read Davids new book and old one. As far as posting my opinions, as long as David allows free speech, you will get an opinion. You angry little trolls are always trashing Ann Coulters books and I assume you've never read one, so what's the difference?

Just more hypocisy from the left. Now move along!

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 12:52 PM

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Yes, but the Christian Coalition will still vote for Bush and his Nazi Party!!!

Gerald


Gerald, Bush also won 52% of the Catholic vote over Kerry who is Catholic. Does this make Catholics Nazi supporters?

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 12:55 PM

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Way to go David! Going to buy my copy today! Enjoy reading the book 'Mr. ...', 'Mr. Happy', and 'Mr. Spy On This'. You can't argue on the blog about the book if you have NOT read it! :D~

Posted by: Rob at August 25, 2006 12:55 PM

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And 'Mr. LBH', that includes YOU!

Posted by: Rob at August 25, 2006 12:56 PM

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Italy: U.S., Israel cause damage

Italy's foreign minister said the "aggressive" approach taken by the United States and Israel has caused serious damage in the Middle East.

Massimo D'Alema told Haaretz on Friday that Europe must prove to Israel that only international intervention can provide security. D'Alema, who is considered to be behind Italy's decision to contribute 3,000 soldiers to an international force in Lebanon, suggested that its success might lead to a similar force for the Gaza Strip.


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And the damage is ongoing with no end in sight, yet.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 12:58 PM

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Erling,

A piece of the puzzle being put in place right before your eyes. Don't let Russia fool you like the Nazi's did in WWII.

Russia rejects sanctions against Iran


Aug 25, 8:59 AM (ET)

By Ron Popeski

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia on Friday rejected any talk for now of sanctions against Iran and France warned against conflict with Tehran, raising doubt whether it will face swift penalties for not halting nuclear work by an August 31 deadline.

Responding to an offer of economic incentives to stop enriching uranium, Iran hinted to six world powers on Tuesday it could curb its program as a result of talks to implement the package -- but not as a precondition as they demand.

The reply seemed designed to crack the ramshackle united front of four Western powers and Russia and China behind the U.N. Security Council deadline. The West sees Iran's nuclear work as a looming threat to peace. Russia and China do not.

The puppet master is pulling the strings!

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 01:07 PM

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Christian and Love

Dear Cornposters:

I would like to take some time discussing these two words, Christian and love. I believe that we use these words very easily but do we understand these words.

We hear that people call themselves a Christian but they are still enthralled with murders and war crimes. They know about the birth and death of Jesus Christ but little about His words. They do not even know or understand, Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called children of God; When you do it for the least of my brethren, you do it for me; and Love one another as I have loved you.

How can any person be called a Christian without knowing, understanding, and following the words of Jesus Christ?

We frequently say to a friend or a family member or a neighbor that you love them. But, what do you mean by love? Love for me is wishing or wanting the best for a person or persons. When you love, you want the very best for that person or persons. Love is more than a word for another person.

Americans who desire the killing of the Iraqi people cannot say that they are a loving people. The desire to want Iraqis dead or maimed is a hateful feeling and a misguided way to show that we are a loving people.

Sincerely,

Gerald

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 01:14 PM

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I believe that any Catholic who voted for Bush in 2004 are not just complicit but they are also accomplices in the murders and war crimes against the Iraqi people by Hitler Bush and his Nazi cabal.

The cardinal sin of pride keeps the Catholics from admitting to their murders and war crimes.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 01:19 PM

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Who decides what the U.S. will do about Iraq and Iran?

[..]

It's nice that so many people seem interested in debating whether military confrontation with Iran is prudent and/or whether we should withdraw from Iraq, but there is a real question as to whether the President thinks the outcome of those debates matters. Indeed, he has made clear that he believes only he can decide when wars begin and end. Finding out from the administration whether they believe they can wage war on Iran without Congressional approval, and/or whether Congress has the power to compel the end of the war in Iraq, is something that probably ought to be a high priority for our nation's journalists. The American people should know whether the President believes they have any role in deciding matters of war and peace.


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Glen gets down to the brass tacks.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 01:34 PM

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Just ordered the book and looking forward to the read.

Good luck with the tour.

Posted by: Brian at August 25, 2006 01:38 PM

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I believe that any Catholic who voted for Bush in 2004 are not just complicit but they are also accomplices in the murders and war crimes against the Iraqi people by Hitler Bush and his Nazi cabal.

Gerald

Gerald how would you punish these Catholics of such a crime?

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 01:44 PM

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Gerald, you quote:

They do not even know or understand, Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called children of God; When you do it for the least of my brethren, you do it for me; and Love one another as I have loved you.

But you leave out:

THE ROOTS OF JUST WAR DOCTRINE

In the Beatitudes, Jesus tells us "blessed are the peacemakers" (Matt. 5:9). Elsewhere in the Sermon on the Mount he tells us "if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also" (Matt. 5:39). From such verses some have concluded that Christianity is a pacifist religion and that violence is never permitted.

But the same Jesus elsewhere acknowledges the legitimate use of force, telling the apostles, "let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one" (Luke 22:36). How are these passages to be reconciled?

In broad terms, Christians must not love violence. They must promote peace whenever possible and be slow to resort to the use of arms. But they must not be afraid to do so when it is called for. Evil must not be allowed to remain unchecked.

Added weight is given to this realization when one recognizes that Scripture -- all of Scripture -- is inspired by God (2 Tim. 3:16). This means that the Old Testament is just as inspired as the New Testament and thus an expression of the will of Christ.

The Old Testament acknowledges frankly that there is "a time to kill" (Eccles. 3:3). At various times in the Old Testament, God commanded the Israelites to defend their nation by force of arms. Yet it was always with the recognition that peace is the goal to be worked for. Thus the psalmist exclaims, "how good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell in unity!" (Ps. 133:1). Peace is the goal, but when it cannot be achieved without force, force must be used.

In the same way, the New Testament sets forth the goal of peace but acknowledges the legitimate use of force. It does so by John the Baptist's acknowledgment that Roman soldiers, whose job it was to enforce the Pax Romana, or "Peace of Rome," could keep their jobs (Luke 3:14) and by Paul's observation that the state "does not bear the sword in vain" but is "God's servant for your good" (Rom. 13:4).

As long as Christianity remained a minority religion in the Roman Empire, it was not forced to put these insights together into a formal theory of when warfare could be used. But as Christianity grew predominant, more attention had to be devoted to this subject. By the time of Augustine (A.D. 354-430) the need for a theory of when warfare was just was keen, and Augustine provided one, crystallizing biblical principles into what is now known as just war doctrine. In the intervening centuries the theory has been refined, but its framework remains as he gave it.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 01:55 PM

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Whore

Posted by: Quinn Bishop at August 25, 2006 01:57 PM

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As the Second Vatican Council noted, "insofar as men are sinful, the threat of war hangs over them, and hang over them it will until the return of Christ" (Gaudium et Spes 78). The danger of war will never be completely removed prior to the Second Coming.

Christ's followers must be willing to meet this challenge. They must be willing to wage war when it is just and they must be willing to wage it in a just manner.

Simultaneously, they must work to establish a just and peaceful order among the nations. In so doing they seek to fulfill the words of the prophet, according to which the nations "shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more" (Is. 2:4).

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 02:03 PM

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Last week, guess which story topped the national evening news on ABC, CBS, and NBC? JonBenet Ramsey1. Who was the big guest on Nightline and the Today Show? JonBenet RamseyÕs father. What story made front-pages of AmericaÕs newspapers, including the New York Times? You got it.

It wasnÕt the war in Iraq or the tenuous truce in Lebanon, or even 10 million kids here at home who lack health insurance. It was JonBenet.

Sure, itÕs an interesting mystery and a terrible murder, but under what criteria of professional journalism could it possibly merit being the top story in America last week? WeÕre so disgusted with ÒjournalismÓ in America that weÕre suggesting an action today that weÕve never suggested before.

Contact the News Anchors at ABC, CBS, and NBC, and tell them weÕve had enough JonBenet.

-True Majority

Posted by: Happy too at August 25, 2006 02:04 PM

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I would love to read Davids new book and old one. As far as posting my opinions, as long as David allows free speech, you will get an opinion. You angry little trolls are always trashing Ann Coulters books and I assume you've never read one, so what's the difference?
Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 12:52 PM

The only person keeping you from reading David's books is you. Read 'em then your opinion we'll have a basis in fact, not just the drivel that popped into your ideologicaly comprimised peanut-sized atrophied anti-intellectual brain, if it it can be recognized as such.

Were, on this blog, has anyone trashed Coulter's books? People trash her statements about the surviving wives of 9/11 victims but I don't think you can produce a shred of evidence that anyone has trashed her book. Can you?

There are two things I am sure of: You will never learn to link, and you will never read Corn's books. That is your choice. If that is your choice however, when it comes to discussion of Corn's book, STFU.

Posted by: Happy too at August 25, 2006 02:11 PM

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#76 LBH,

As much as I hate to admit it you have a good point "trashing Ann Coulters books and I assume you've never read one, so what's the difference?"
Although calling us angry little trolls sort of compromises your argument. But as I said you have a good point. But comparing Ann Coulter to David (or anyone with a beating heart) is like comparing pornography to Shakespeare. I mean come on LBH, do actually think she is a serious journalist?

Congratulations on the book Corn, IÕll be sure to order it.

Posted by: uncledad at August 25, 2006 02:18 PM

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#76 LBH

"As far as posting my opinions, as long as David allows free speech, you will get an opinion." Yes David does allow free speech on this site isnÕt it great. Although if I were him I would require a valid e-mail address, that may cut down on some of the juvenile hatefilled "anonymous" postings we see way too much of here.

Posted by: uncledad at August 25, 2006 02:26 PM

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Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 01:07 PM

Neocons site the Nazis at every turn. N Korea? The Nazis. Iran? The Nazis. Saddam? The Nazis. If you are going to be responsible making a parallel between contemporary national security threats and The Nazis, you have to site a specfic parallel.

Take a shot at it with regard to Russia and China.

Posted by: Happy too at August 25, 2006 02:36 PM

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As far as posting my opinions, as long as David allows free speech, you will get an opinion." Yes David does allow free speech on this site isnÕt it great. Although if I were him I would require a valid e-mail address, that may cut down on some of the juvenile hatefilled "anonymous" postings we see way too much of here.

You must be talking about Gerald. While I must admit Davy might be smarter than me, he surely has a face for radio, that cross-eyed thing kinda creeps me out and the lisp gets annoying.

Posted by: gerald hates jews at August 25, 2006 02:38 PM

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Uncledad #92

I wouldn't know, I've never read a Coulter book but I have read many reviews, by Cornnuts, to know what shes up to.

Comparing Shakespeare to pornography?

Which sales more books?

It's more like David vs. Goliath, only Goliath wins.

When David reaches Anns celebrity status then maybe we can compare.

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 02:41 PM

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Gerald,

If you are a practicing Catholic as you claim, surely you will join me in condemning the 40 million abortions performed in the United States over the last thirty-three years. As a Catholic, you can't possibly consider anything worse than the taking of a human life, especially an innocent one in the womb.

Or are you judgmental in some areas and not others?

Posted by: factchecker at August 25, 2006 02:47 PM

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I am catholic and I would never choose to have an abortion. I do not presume that others who live in this country share my religious beliefs but if they do, its their choice to sin or not, not mine to sit in judgement. factchecker, you who have never sinned, you throw the first stone.

Posted by: Happy too at August 25, 2006 02:53 PM

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#94

You seem to be lost in the discussion between Gerald and myself. I welcome you to the discussion but please follow along.

I am not a neo-con and am not making a comparison between current events and Nazis. Gerald is the one comparing Bushco to Nazis and I just challenged him on this statement as a brother in Christ.

I believe Russia and China (communism) is the real threat aginst the world not Nazi Fascism as our Mother Mary did at Fatima. I compared the Nazis to the communist threat in relation to Erling who does not believe Russia and China are a threat as Norway had the same view of Germany during WWII.

I am of this view by my religious beliefs only not a political one.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 02:54 PM

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Kathleen, A bit of additional info regarding the discussion yesterday.

An official secrets act might keep Congress in the dark

COMMENTARY | August 25, 2006

Legislation aimed at criminalizing the disclosure of classified information is a threat not only to whistle blowers and the press but to Congress's exercise of its own oversight function as well.

By Nick Schwellenbach schwellenbach@niemanwatchdog.org

Though the Cold War saw a formidable spy apparatus marshaled against the United States (and one greater than anything al Qaeda could hope to develop), even in those vexing days our elected representatives consistently chose not to emulate one of the British government's more dubious contributions to jurisprudence: The Official Secrets Act. Originally passed by Parliament in 1911 and radically revised in 1989 the same year, ironically, as the Berlin Wall's crumbling heralded the hyper-secretive Soviet system's inevitable collapse the Official Secrets Act is notable not merely for its expansive definition of "official secrets." The British law does not allow for circumstances when the disclosure of such secrets may be in the public interest and anyone in or out of government who discloses such secrets may be subject to criminal penalty.

More here

It appears it affects more than the press and whistlebowers.

Posted by: DEN at August 25, 2006 02:58 PM

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Websites

There are many great websites with articles to read. Here are some websites to review on a daily basis.

Watching America

LewRockwell.com

AntiWar.com

The Smirking Chimp

Truthout

BuzzFlash

Counterpunch

The Nation

The Guardian

Common Dreams

Alternet

The Progressive

Working for Change

OpEdNews.com

Information Clearing House

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 02:58 PM

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Why do I even try?

Posted by: uncledad at August 25, 2006 03:00 PM

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#98

You are correct to not judge sinners but incorrect in not judging sin. There is a big difference.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 03:04 PM

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#98

God will judge us as a nation that allows sin to be replaced by his grace. To not care that others sin, as their own choice, will be part of judgement day when ALL sin is to be judged. You are called to pray for the sinner as a Catholic.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 03:10 PM

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72
...LBH and Happy will join the discussion here of Hubris... without buying it, reading it or even checking it out....Prove me wrong you superior conservative beings.
Posted by: Happy too at August 25, 2006 12:43 PM
=================================================
Happy too:

As my `negative' mirror image, you are perfect, "me right, you left and me smart, you dumbo"! (`negative' as like Lieberman's blackend face image...presume you've all seen)!

You Cornuts are so dumb oftentimes...not complaining, that's the `amusement' part of David's providing this site....

Since Hubris' release date is Oct. 3 and won't ship (by Amazon) untill late October, NO ONE is permitted to make any comments on it since as the "superior conservative being", I can absolutley PREDICT that NO ONE will have read it or checked it out of the library before at the earliest, mid-October!

UNDERSTAND, Cornuts?

Posted by: Happy LOL at August 25, 2006 03:12 PM

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Happy, too:

Gerald's problem, which is not even addressed to you, is that, as far as his religious beliefs are held, he is somehow hypocritically silent on the slaughter of forty million innocents in America in his litany of deaths. What could be worse than that?

But it's really irrelevant, since most of the posters here, like Gerald, are such nut cases that no one takes them seriously, anyway. Anyone who spends as much time here as many of them do really doesn't have much of a life in the real world.

Posted by: factchecker at August 25, 2006 03:13 PM

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14069.htm

Winning hearts and minds.

Posted by: ChiGirl at August 25, 2006 03:16 PM

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#86 three dots, it's easy they voted for Bush!

#87, Jesus put back the ear of a soldier that Peter severed when they came to take Jesus away for trial before Good Friday.

#89, no one can tell me the Nazi America's use of force and the Nazi Israel's use of force were justified. I do not trust Nazi America and Nazi Israel.

#97, factchecker, my stance on abortion is widely published. According to my spiritual advisor I am entitled to my opinions. I am giving my opinion and I am not judging a person. God is the Supreme Justice.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 03:18 PM

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Uncledad,

Sorry, I wasn't going off on you.

I don't believe Ann is a serious journalist and I don't believe she has made that claim herself. She is an entertainer like Al Franken only better at it.

By the way, I went to your web site and liked it! Both of my sons are learning to play the Guitar and Piano. Music is something liberals and conservatives can come together on!

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 03:26 PM

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Proportionality

Moral decisions in and of themselves cannot be considered immoral unless you know proportionality. There are three actions to consider in proportionality, such as intentions, circumstances, and consequences. I cannot judge Bush but I have perceptual opinions.

Here are my perceptual opinions regarding Bush's attack upon Iraq.

1. Intention РBush wanted to make himself look like a big man to his father and to himself. Oil may have also been an intention as well as permanent military bases.

2. Circumstances РBush lied to Americans that Iraq was an imminent threat to America's safety and security. If we do not go into Iraq, they will come here and we will no longer be safe and secure. Do we feel any more safe and secure now? The Nazis control Americans through fear.

3. Consequences РBush's decisions laid the groundwork for war crimes, mass murders, crimes against humanity, torture, and rape of a foreign land. Americans have their freedoms and rights taken from them through the Patriot Acts. America's economy is such that the middle class is being dissolved. Contracts are given to boyfriends and Americans do not know where the money is going. Bushճ attack upon Iraq raises proportionality to a level that his decision to attack Iraq is an immoral act. Grave eternal consequences are upon his person and soul and also with the people and their souls who have agreed with his brutal and inhumane actions upon the Iraqi people.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 03:26 PM

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She is an entertainer like Al Franken only better at it.

Yes, if you consider the shrill Jerry Springer guest style as entertainment. Al is the one with the entertainment background. But that's ok because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggonnit, people like you!

Posted by: eyes_open at August 25, 2006 03:34 PM

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Abortion, etc.

The newspapers on the weekend have a joint venture where both papers combine the news. In the Commentary section in one of the newspapers has an article titled "Struggle over abortion grows." Bush has full control of Congress. He should be able to say to his Repulsive Party let's go for amendments on abortion, gay marriage, and embryonic stem cell research but he won't because these are wedge issues so the Repulsive Party can receive votes and be elected to office.

The election is over and abortion, gay marriage, and embryonic stem cell research are laid to rest. Now, the real objectives of the election to be destroyed are social security, medicare, middle class, health care, and the environment. Key interests for the Repulsive Party are permanent tax cuts and wars.

Bush controls the White House. He controls the House and the Senate. Why can't he pursue amendments that would ban abortion, gay marriage, and embryonic stem cell research? These are moral issues that need to be resolved through presidential leadership and bush does not possess such leadership.

In 2006 the three issues will again surface Рabortion, gay marriage, and embryonic stem cell research. Abortion, gay marriage, and embryonic stem cell research will always be revolving door issues for the Repulsive Party's benefits and exploitations. America will forever more be a nation that receives her highs through hatred and killing, such as loss of freedoms and rights, torture, and wars.

Keep the country divided and let the hate flourish. That is the American way. The American way is corruption, lies, decadence, selfishness, greed, hatred, killing, jealousy, and wars and more wars. The Repulsive Party must enslave the masses.

How can a country that hates and kills continue to be a viable country? Hatred begets hatred; killing begets killing. You can only give what you have. If you hate, that is all you can give in return is hate. The path of hatred and killing will destroy America. Great empires throughout history have collapsed and America is on the path to self-destruction. You can continue to believe that America with all her armaments cannot collapse but history does repeat itself.

MY PREDICTION THAT AMERICA WITH HER HATE AND KILL MENTALITY WILL SELF-DESTRUCT. IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. I DO NOT KNOW THE DATE BUT SELF-DESTRUCTION IS ASSURED. IT IS ETCHED IN STONE; IT IS A GIVEN.


Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 03:34 PM

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I am giving my opinion and I am not judging a person.

Gerald

Bush is Hilter? This is one of the harshest judgements of a person ever made. Lying is also a sin Gerald. A few more years in purgatory for you friend!!!

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 03:38 PM

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David Corn:

Just bought my copy. Glad to support you, but hated to do so through Amazon.

As I did with Glenn Greenwald's book (How Would a Patriot Act? Defending American Values from a President Run Amok), I plan to release a copy 'into the wild' once available in paperback.

FYI: At Bookcrossing.com, people register books and then give them away. 'Releasing into the wild' is when you put a registered book in a public place for someone else to find. Link Here for the FAQ regarding giving books away through Bookcrossing.com.

Posted by: RicK at August 25, 2006 03:41 PM

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Al is the one with the entertainment background.

Hasn't helped him much with his ratings at Air America, now has it? In fact you could say they are loosing stations because of Als lack of entertainment capabilities!

Har Har

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 03:44 PM

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"U.S. Conventional Forces and Nuclear Deterrence: A China Case Study," August 11, 2006

Erling and others: Regarding China, here is a report from the CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE on a hypothetical future conflict with China. It's a pdf -- not too long, 29 pages (I think).

Conclusion:

This report highlights a number of policy issues that may bear consideration in the ongoing debate regarding investments in conventional and nuclear forces:

It appears that China and the United States currently have a stable deterrent relationship.

This deterrence appears to be based on a complicated nexus of
economic, political, and military factors.

Despite this deterrent relationship, military conflict might ensue
either as part of a consciously planned strategy or due to mistakes, misperception, or accident.

Together, U.S. nuclear and conventional capabilities contribute to military deterrence, and therefore it appears that it would be
worthwhile to consider the interplay of nuclear and conventional
capabilities in force structure and strategy decisions.

Nuclear and conventional military capabilities can simultaneously have positive effects on deterrence or warfighting, and negative effects on crisis stability or war termination objectives. Therefore, it may be overly simplistic to make changes in military force structure or capabilities to improve deterrence, for example, without considering potential effects on crisis stability, for example.

Investments in military capabilities that may positively contribute to all potential stages of military conflict (e.g. deterrence, crisis stability, warfighting, and war termination), might be preferred to investments that have a mixed effect on the potential range of conflict.

Posted by: Micki at August 25, 2006 03:46 PM

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One more sold.

Nice cover. Reminds me of a spaghetti western.

Four squinting desperados swagger into Liberty and tell the folks, "Nice little town you got here. Hate to see anything happen to it."

Posted by: Drewp at August 25, 2006 03:46 PM

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The Gerald Doctrine

My doctrine remembers Jesus' Words, "Be not afraid." This post will upset many people but at times certain words must be said.

Abortion should have never been a governmental and a political issue. It should have been a medical and a religious issue. Whenever the government and politics are involved, you can be certain that the government and politics will screw it up. Removing government and politics from the abortion issue will remove a wedge issue. Roe v Wade will be overturned.

Women have had abortions for many reasons through the years. Some women do not have medical insurance and they have felt that they could not pay for the birth of a baby or even take care of a baby. Yet, there are many reasons for abortions.

Let us look at the removal of this wedge issue. Will people complain and groan or will people push for health care? Where will our Nazi politicians and government stand when it comes to health care? What other issues will become wedge issues so the Nazis can remain in power? If people oppose abortions that is fine and good but for a woman to have a child she will need some health care. The cost of medical care prohibits a number of people from wanting children, especially if there is no health insurance.

Be not afraid with the overturn of Roe v Wade! Let us pursue a caring America that is concerned for all our citizens and not just for the wealthy and for our corporations. Personally the Nazis will find reasons and ways to not help women. The American government under the control of the Nazis is an evil government.

Will the churches and fundies and the evans try to help women by pushing for health care or will they just be political ideologues? I believe that our Christian churches and laypersons are political ideologues and they will use moral issues to gain power and keep Americans angry, confused, and fearful. We are only pawns and puppets for governmental and political abuses. Moral issues should be delegated to religion and possibly in some cases to the medical professionals.

Please do all you can to not be afraid of change. Change is inevitable in life. Change can remove us from our comfort zones but I will say, "Be not afraid!" Seek a greater good from our government and politicians' dastardly ways!

Where are the pro-lifers when it comes to health care and medical insurance for women and children? Health benefits would make abortion less of an option. Hypocrisy reigns in this country. Overturning Roe v Wade could very well be a plus and not a minus, especially if Americans push for better and more day care centers and better wages so that our citizens are not living like scurvy rats.

Corporations and the American government do not want Roe v Wade overturned. Even if it is overturned, there will still be abortions and they will not be illegal. Abortions will rest with a physiciansÕ decision. Please do not become discombobulated with the overturning of Roe v Wade. We will know who are the hypocrites in this country.

Be not afraid! Have pro-life organizations stressed health care for women so pregnancy can come to full term? Have they stressed increased funding for adoption services so women who cannot keep their baby for whatever reason will have the option to have the baby adopted? Have they stressed funding for child care centers for women who want to keep the baby will have a place to help them as they work or try to find work? There are many questions to be answered but the major question is, do the pro-lifers really love people, really love women, and really love children? It is time for the pro-lifers to either shit or get off the pot! Are pro-life organizations only money-grabbing hypocrites?

Supreme Court justices just do not rule on abortions. They also rule in favor of corporate fraud and greed and the removal of our freedoms and rights for the common person. Always remember that the repugnants are not pro-lifers! They are purveyors of hatred, murders, torture, and wars.

The Gerald Doctrine is simple when we remember Jesus Words, "Be Not afraid." We are living in confusing times, strange times. We are fighting satan's disciples who are unchained. For them any evil is acceptable. Morally, America is losing it. Failing in holiness creates a mess in the world. America is only concerned with money and possessions. We are in battles with satan's disciples and in battles many soldiers are wounded. But, remember that believers in a loving and a merciful God will win the war. These believers will hear the fifteen most wonderful words from God. "Welcome home my good and faithful friend. Come, I have prepared a place for you." With these beautiful words we will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven for all eternity.

WHETHER ROE V WADE IS OVERTURNED OR NOT, THE ABORTION ISSUE WILL NEVER GO AWAY BECAUSE IT IS A MONEY MAKER FOR VARIOUS GROUPS AND IT IS A WIN WEDGE ISSUE FOR THE GOP.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 03:49 PM

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Jerry Springer is still going strong with no shortage of closet transvestites cheating on their girlfriends with thier father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roomate but that doesn't make it quality entertainment. Grabbing popularity by appealing to the lowest common denominator is what Ann is good at.

Posted by: eyes_open at August 25, 2006 03:51 PM

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from Webster's II Dictionary
hu.bris: noun - Excessive self-confidence:arrogance

Disclosure: Happy has NOT read Hubris! In fact, `the Book' do NOT even exist at this time...

Being the "superior conservative being", I can assure all Cornuts that the Hubris manuscript will be in book production in September! Take my Happy words for it!


David:

There is a bit of an "inferior conservative being (icb)" in you that your natural "superior liberal being" is trying hard to suppress! Still, the `icb' still shows!

Two first-impression comments:

1) The new title (first word) and its meaning is a HUGE POSITIVE STEP UP from "The Lies..."! Shit, I've got plenty of `hubris' of my own! Each time I bought a losing stock!

2) The new book's cover photo is great! Complimentary of Bush, the everyman casual President, walking with his inner circle of 3, all in suits!

Posted by: Happy on Hubris at August 25, 2006 03:58 PM

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Eyes,

You got that liberal Democrat Jerry Spinger pegged!! Right on!!

Al Franken wishes he could have some of that Jerry Spinger quality entertainment or any quality for that matter!

What you don't get is that someone has to be interested in the entertainment being offered and well, poor Al, just hasn't found his place in the world yet.

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 04:06 PM

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Eyes,

According to Anns publisher, liberals buy just as many of her books as those kooky conservatives.

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 04:07 PM

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Grabbing popularity by appealing to the lowest common denominator is what Ann is good at.

And liberals are that common denominator both for Ann and Jerry!!!

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 04:11 PM

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The Demise of the United States of America

Dear Cornposters:

This is my third doctrine in sharing with you. I share this third doctrine with a heavy heart. I will be discussing the demise of my country. There are probably hundreds of reasons for our death but I will give some of my reasons.

Through the centuries civilizations and empires have risen and fallen. I will be discussing the death of Nazi America. History does repeat itself. Historians often look to the Roman Empire and I will be no different.

The Roman Empire fell for a variety reasons, such as lead poisoning through their use of lead pots and pans, the possible rise of Christianity, the hiring of mercenaries to fight their endless wars, and the slaves to do the domestic work.

Let us look closely at the demise of the United States of America. Our death is similar and yet very complex because our death occurs in the twenty-first century. The twenty-first century was supposedly more advanced and yet it was probably less advanced in terms of humanitarian reasons.

We can look at our deregulations of the environment that is killing off life from animal to human life. It was Nazi America's fall from Christianity that also aided in our demise. We turned our backs on Jesus Christ and accepted bushianity. Bushianity is a religion that has eight pillars for its strength. These eight pillars are hatred, murders, torture, war crimes, corruption, decadence, greed, and lies. These eight pillars gradually destroyed the mind, body, and souls of our citizens and our nation as a whole. We also hired mercenaries to fight our endless wars because the Nazis have systematically killed off our children. We have also destroyed our middle class and hired people at slave wages. American corporations have also been instrumentally involved with our Nazi government by destroying the middle class with outsourcing and the hiring foreigners for less money. Nazi American lives have diminished steadily for decades.

Nazi Americans have developed a sense of hopelessness from our children to our adults. Our citizens and politicians have preferred screwing around and not parenting. Our teenagers are a great resource for us because they are into fairness and idealism. Fairness is not just for themselves but also for their friends and other people. They are also idealistic because they believe in a better world. Our country cannot be a role model for other countries because we have demoralized our people to the point that hopelessness and fear are rampant in our nation and among our people. We are already at the bottom of the abyss into hell.

I am on the mailing list of political organizations, religious organizations, and the behavioral sciences. I recently received a letter from friends at a hospital. They have asked me to be part of an audience and discussion on the "Silent Epidemic." This silent epidemic is quite revealing about our children and teenagers. It shares with us the hopelessness of our people and the future.

The hospital will be working with the Jason Foundation. The Jason Foundation wants to help children and teenagers from attempting suicide or committing suicide. One in sixteen students have attempted suicide in the past twelve months. Four of five youth revealed at risk behavior prior to taking their life. The Jason Foundation aims to educate and help people to be aware of the dangers of youth suicide. This is their mission.

Jason was the youngest son of JFI's President/CEO, Clark Flatt. He was an average student, good athlete, had many friends, and was active in his church's youth group. He did not have any alcohol or drug problems. He was a typical 16 year old. Clark Flatt explains in his speeches, "no one had ever told me suicide was a danger to my kids despite the fact suicide was and is the third leading cause of death for our youth."

Nazi Americans have a unique way of behavior toward people whom we consider different. We are great at stigmatizing people by bias, distrust, stereotyping, fear, embarrassment, anger, and/or avoidance.

Our evil and immoral ways have brought to us what we deserve our demise as a nation. People usually get what they deserve and Nazi America deserves death.

Sincerely,

Gerald

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 04:13 PM

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For Erling that thinks Russia has no stregth left

A Project of the Claremont Institute
Missilethreat.com 8/2006

Home :: The Threat
The Threat from Russia

The collapse and reconstitution of the Soviet Union did not mean its disarmament. The arsenal inherited by Russia has since been modernized and expanded, and continues to pose the single greatest strategic threat to the United States.

The SovietsÕ massive investments in nuclear-war fighting capability remain at the disposal of the Russian government.

Because of its sheer size, the Russian nuclear arsenal remains the single greatest threat to U.S. security.

Russia possesses and continues to modernize a huge nuclear arsenalÑ-thousands of land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), sea-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) and sea-launched cruise missiles (SLCMs).

Though at approximate parity with the U.S. in strategic nuclear arms, Russia retains a substantial lead in non-strategic nuclear weapons, some 8-15,000 to 300.

Unfortunately for the United States, current Russian military developmentÑ-at least concerning its nuclear forcesÑ-resembles that of the old Soviet Union more than a new democratic Russia.

The rise of ex-KGB operative Vladimir Putin as President and former KGB chief Yevgeny Primakov as a major political figure suggests that the political developments the West hoped for will be slow to arriveÑif they arrive at all.

Russian scientist Yuri Solomonov, in an interview in the Nezavisimaya Gazeta newspaper in February 1999, boasted that the new Russian Topol-M rocket was the most advanced Russian strategic missile ever made.

Reports that the control of the Russian nuclear arsenal is breaking down cannot be taken lightly. Should a missile or warhead get into the hands of rogue elements of the Russian military, a launch upon the United States is not impossible.

The situation may be even more dangerous. In January 1995, President Boris Yeltsin activated his nuclear briefcase, based on the false warning that a Norwegian space rocket was a U.S. missile attack.

Even a benign Russia that miscalculates can destroy America in less than half an hour.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 04:19 PM

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Abortions

This post will really piss off people. Since 1973 there have been approximately 42 million abortions. Since we killed off 42 million babies, we have to now have immigrants from foreign countries help to man the workforce.

In 1965 30,000 legal immigrants came to this country. In 2005 1 million legal immigrants came to this country and 1.1 illegal immigrants entered this country.

When God wants to punish a country, He gives a country stupid leaders and people. The devil incarnate nation is a nation where the majority of people are stupid.

Our adoption services, social services, and health care services are totally inadequate for our country and our people. Rather than give birth to a baby women will find alternate ways and refuse to let the baby be born. Many women feel helpless in a hopeless nation. There are people who say that they are pro-life but their actions, behaviors, and deeds are really accepting pro-death policies and practices. The devil incarnate nation is killing off our population and we will eventually destroy ourselves.

Greedy policies and practices by American corporations and filthy rich Nazi Americans are responsible for many of these abortions.

HAVE I NOW IN SOME SMALL WAY EXPAINED MY POSITION ON ABORTION?

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 04:21 PM

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HAVE I NOW IN SOME SMALL WAY EXPAINED MY POSITION ON ABORTION?

Yes Gerald, very good!

However, I don't know of any Catholics that make up their own doctrine outside of the churches.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 04:31 PM

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David,

I wish you success. I wish all Americans success in all financial, professional or spritual endeavors. That is the capitalist way!

Posted by: TRH at August 25, 2006 04:31 PM

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Oh, but this is going to make it difficult for school children: what is the ninth planet from the sun?

Neptune, since Ceres, being a dwarf planet, is a planet. (but, for some reason or other Vesta is not...)

Posted by: David B. Benson at August 25, 2006 04:32 PM

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I had almost forgotten how funny the comedy that arises from interacting with the resident provocateurs can be.

some of that Jerry Spinger quality entertainment

liberals are that common denominator both for Ann and Jerry!!!

Now resuming the self-imposed troll interaction ban...

Posted by: eyes_open at August 25, 2006 04:35 PM

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One of the things I have really come to appreciate about the First Gulf War is that, when it was all over, it turned out that Iraq actually had invaded Kuwait.

Posted by: Dave at August 25, 2006 04:36 PM

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This is my recent letter to the Catholic News Service.

Dear Editor: The Catholic News Service has an article for August 25, 2006, "Israel's ambassador to Vatican: No victors in Lebanon conflict." The ambassador to the Vatican was being very kind. Israel will never lose a conflict in the Middle East. Israel has the nuclear weapons, chemical and biological weapons, the air force, navy, and tanks to defeat any country in the Middle East.

If Israel lost anything, it was the public relations war throughout the world. Hezbollah has gained more acceptance in world opinion for its social services, social programs, charitable works, generous donations and understanding of the people. I have even read that the United States of America should use Hezbollah as a role model for helping people, such as the Katrina victims. I have also read that relief services from various organizations find it difficult to not work with Hezbollah because Hezbollah is able to complete the work of relief services.

Mr. Oded Ben-Hur, Israel's ambassador to the Vatican said, "We know that the Christian community in the Middle East has always been a positive, bridging factor between populations, and we would like to see this happening again." I must ask the ambassador, "Why, then, did Israel's bombs level Christian communities in the 34 four day war?" Mr. Oded Ben-Hur and Israel's deeds spoke to the world population louder than their words. We need to look at the deeds and see if they match the words.

Sincerely,
Gerald

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 04:43 PM

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Now resuming the self-imposed troll interaction ban...

If this is the only way to save grace for yourself, so be it!

Actually it may be too late!

If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid.

- Epictetus (55 AD - 135 AD), Serendipity

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 04:47 PM

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Slate today has an interesting piece pointing out that left-handed men earn more than right-handed men. By quite a bit, actually. David Corn, are you left-handed?

Posted by: David B. Benson at August 25, 2006 04:50 PM

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#127 three dots, I have friends in high places who have granted me permission to offer a layperson's doctrine on various issues.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 04:55 PM

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Capt wrote:

"I have yet to read a single post from anybody that challenges even one point about the "Lies of George Bush (and the politics of deception)" -

No troll has ever challenged one point from the last book.

A telling point of fact, eh?"

I have successfully challenged Corn's book countless times!

A few quick examples, Corn states the definition of a "lie" as "knowingly or unknowlingly making a false statement". That definition is NOT the real definition of a lie, a lie is defined as "knowingly making a false statement". So Corn makes no distinction between a lie and being mistaken. So when Corn combines the 2 definitions as both a lie, he can make any false statement turn into a lie. Unknowingly making a false statement is be mistaken, not lying.

He doesn't take into account nor do the wacky cornposters that not only was there US intelligence claiming Iraq had WMDs, but several other countries had intelligence indicating Iraq had WMDs, even countries that were against the Iraq war. Not to mention, former President Clinton thought Iraq had WMDs and defended Bush in August of 2004 in a Time Magazine article.

But what is Corn's defense of this statement?

"Well Bush took us to war!" LOL, a lame response indeed.

Even the except from the jacket copy in Corn's new book us untrue.

"and the outing of a CIA officer that led to the indictment of a top White House official."

That statement is NEWS to Fitzgerald LOL!! Libby was indicted NOT becuase he outed Plame, but because he PERJURED himself. So even Corn lies on his jacket cover of his book!

Posted by: Tim L at August 25, 2006 04:57 PM

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Gerald, if you are truly concerned about Christians in the ME than you should have written abot the Martyers.


Martyred: Muslim murder and mayhem against Christians

National Review, by Kate O'Beirne

President Bush's repeated assertions about the peaceful nature of Islam were briefly interrupted when the State Department issued the annual report required by the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998. This year, as in the past, our Muslim-world partners in the coalition against terrorism were prominently featured among the most violent, most intolerant regimes in the world. Religious minorities are persecuted in over 20 states where Islam is the official or dominant religion. The million Christians who have fled the Muslim world in the past five years were hardly seeking sanctuary from the peaceful face of Islam.

With shocking regularity, human-rights groups report the death of Christians at the hands of Muslim militants in Africa, South Asia, and the Middle East. In Pakistan, Islam has been the official religion since 1973, and over the years, the State Department has urged our ally to repeal section 295(c) of the penal code. This is the section that stipulates the death penalty or life in prison for blaspheming Mohammed, and the State Department notes that it "contributes to inter- religious tension, intimidation, fear, and violence." A Christian Pakistani, Ayub Masih, was jailed five years ago on a blasphemy charge, and he has now filed his final appeal against the death sentence imposed on him. Masih is alleged to have said, "If you want to know the truth about Islam, read Salman Rushdie." An accusation by a Muslim neighbor was enough to secure the blasphemy conviction. Under Pakistan's "Hudood ordinances," the legal testimony of religious minorities is accorded half the weight of Muslims'. The testimony of a non-Muslim woman is halved again.

Most recently, gunmen from the "Army of Omar" opened fire on a Protestant congregation worshipping at St. Dominic's Catholic Church in Bahawalpur, killing at least 16. Islamic-party leaders in Pakistan immediately claimed that the massacre was a conspiracy to defame Muslims.

Then, Saudi Arabia. In a bracing departure from diplo-speak, the State Department says, "Freedom of religion does not exist in Saudi Arabia." For many years, Christians have been flogged, imprisoned, and executed by a Saudi government that prohibits non-Muslim worship even in private homes. A Muslim who converts to another religion is subject to the death penalty by beheading.

Nigeria is another nightmare. The Center for Religious Freedom, part of Freedom House, maintains a "New Martyrs List," to call attention to the most horrific cases. In one bloody week in May 2000, over 200 people were killed in Kaduna. Among the dead was Rev. Clement Ozi Bello, a 26- year-old former Muslim who had recently been ordained a Catholic priest. The young priest was attacked by a mob that dragged him from his car, tied him up, and gouged out his eyes, before leaving him dead on the side of the road.

In October, churches and Christian-owned shops were gasoline-bombed in an area of Kaduna now adorned with pictures of Osama bin Laden. More than 6,000 people have died in religious conflicts in Nigeria since the end of military rule two years ago. "Our people are being shot, butchered, and roasted," says Kaduna bishop Josiah Fearon.

The anti-Christian violence in Nigeria has been the direct result of the adoption of Sharia law, the strict Islamic code, by ten of the country's largely Muslim states in the north. Under Sharia, certain crimes are punishable by flogging, amputation, and beheading. The governor of one of these states dismisses the national constitution that proclaims Nigeria a secular country. "To be good Muslims," Ahmed Sani says, "we have to have Sharia to govern our lives, because God has told us that any Muslim who does not accept Sharia is not a good believer." Sani dispatched local officials to Saudi Arabia and Sudan to learn some more about the application of Sharia.

In Algeria, the military assumed power a decade ago, to prevent the Islamic Salvation Front from imposing Sharia on the country. Since then, Algeria has been engaged in bloody civil war. In 1994, the Armed Islamic Group pledged to eliminate Jews and Christians from Algeria. The group is deadly serious, having massacred thousands and even hijacking an Air France plane.

In the Philippines, an organization called Abu Sayyaf, with ties to al-Qaeda, wants to form an independent Islamic state in the southern islands. In May 2000, a Filipino Catholic priest was murdered along with four others among the 27 hostages kidnapped from two Catholic schools. Before being killed, Rev. Rhoel Gallardo was tortured for refusing to wear Muslim clothing and say Muslim prayers. During negotiations for the hostages' release, Abu Sayyaf demanded that all crosses be removed from churches.

Egypt, where the influence of Sharia law is growing, is home to the largest Christian community in the Middle East. The Coptic Orthodox are the targets of both militant Islamic groups and local security forces. Young Christian women are pressured to convert to Islam, while converts from Islam to Christianity have been tortured and imprisoned. Over the past 20 years, more than 30 massacres of Coptic Christians have occurred. In January 2000, during several days of rioting by Muslim mobs in Al-Kosheh, more than 100 homes and shops were destroyed, and 21 Christians and one Muslim killed. The Center for Religious Freedom says that the Egyptian government covered up these crimes to avoid the "politically sensitive" issue of punishing Muslims for murdering Christians.

Gerald,

The Vatican wants to bring all religions together under one umbrella, even the ones that persecute Christians. Pray with me for the Church to repent of this heresy and teach that all come to know the one true Church, the Catholic Church and no other.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 05:00 PM

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The Lieberman Conundrum
By Terence Samuel
The American Prospect
Web Exclusive: 08.25.06

The e-mail was short,...the writer is a friend and I could feel his outrage oozing from the screen: "Joe Lieberman is going to be the Zell Miller of 2008. I could see him now, at the Republican Convention talking about how extremists are killing the Democratic Party."

.....there was something instantly and overwhelmingly plausible about the notion of a resentful Joe Lieberman at the GOP convention, maybe in Florida, trashing Democrats for not being tough enough on terror and being too hatefully partisan......aside from the purely depressing elements of such a set of circumstances, the thought of a flipped, crusading Lieberman ought to terrify Democrats; because a re-elected and voluble Joe Lieberman will be just one more thing Democrats won't need in the summer of 2008. The Lieberman Conundrum is an urgent reminder that Democrats have yet to resolve their own set of issues around the Iraq War.

....Democrats have not demonstrated any decisive ability to turn Iraq to their political advantage....and remain ambiguously positioned on the choices ahead.....With that in mind, it would be reasonable for Democrats to worry about whether the president's war will end up haunting them more that it does the GOP. It's happened before.

....A re-elected Joe Lieberman will be more than just a resentful, scorned suitor who gets the last laugh. He becomes the phoenix, a holy man who has survived the hell-fires of partisanship....

With a career prolonged by re-election, his self-righteousness vindicated and his credibility burnished, Lieberman emerges as the living expert on Democratic pathology: He becomes the go-to guy on what's wrong with Democrats -- their ambivalence on national security or problems with people of faith, their consuming partisanship, and their unfitness to govern the country....

That is why the Lieberman race is so critical to Democratic fortunes this November.....This fall, for the Democrats to achieve anything resembling success, they will have to beat Joe Lieberman. .....the damage he could visit on the party from his perch on the Sunday morning talk shows and from the elevated moral high-ground.

Or from the podium at the GOP convention in 2008.

Terence Samuel is a political writer in Washington, D.C.

Posted by: Happy reasons for Joe at August 25, 2006 05:02 PM

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LATEST POLL: JONBENET SUSPECT MORE POPULAR THAN BUSH

In the latest New York Times/CBS Poll, John Mark Karr, the current "suspect" in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case, has drawn much higher favorability ratings than President Bush.

The vast majority of respondents, polled over the last three days of wall-to-wall JonBenet coverage, stated they didn't actually believe that Karr was guilty. However, they expressed a strong preference for someone who takes the blame for something they didn't do, as opposed to Bush, who refuses to accept responsibility for things he did personally screw up.

A majority of respondents also believed that while the sexual abuse and killing of a child is the ultimate criminal act, so is starting an unnecessary war in which scores of thousands die, including children and soldiers who are not even old enough to legally drink.

However, Karr and Bush finished in a dead heat on the question of which individual is more likely to hold firm to his core beliefs, with 98% of respondents stating that Karr is not likely to change his stance as a pedophile, and that Bush is not likely to change his stance as an idiot.

More HERE

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Not really surprising, eh?

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 05:04 PM

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Dave,
Please don't become too nostalgic for the good old days. Let's remember the media made sure we all knew Saddam was the evil aggressor but said little about our ally's provocation by slant-drilling into Iraq.

Posted by: eyes_open at August 25, 2006 05:06 PM

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Tim

and the outing of a CIA officer that led to the indictment of a top White House official."

It's a white lie which is acceptable to Cornnuts! Like "I never had sex with that women" or "It depends on what the meaning of is, is"

The key deceptive word in his statement is "led" it depends on what the meaning of "led" is but leads the reader to a conclusion without making a direct claim. Yes, Mr Corn is a good writer as you have pointed out. Good job giiving it to Capt.

Ha!

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 05:08 PM

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Yeah! Tim L has returned! I knew Capt would eventually provoke him sufficiently...

Go get 'em tiger.

Posted by: Tim at August 25, 2006 05:10 PM

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Capt,

Don't get too excited about Jon Bonet's killer being more popular than Bush. If you keep it up Mr Corn will be below Karr and Bush for media time to peddle his book!

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 05:11 PM

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TONY SNOW EXPLAINS WHY IRAQ IS NOT A CIVIL WAR

I recently attended a press conference with Tony Snow, President Bush's new pretty boy press secretary. The question of whether Iraq is in a state of civil war came up, and it really set him off. This was his response.

"Some of you in the media, especially the hippie liberal types, have been saying that Iraq is in a state of civil war, or sliding toward civil war. Nothing could be further from the truth. In spite of all of you allegedly having college educations, you obviously have no clue what those words mean.

In a civil war, the southern half of the country would be fighting the northern half in organized armies. The north would be carrying the old flag, and the south would have a rebel flag, you know, the stars and bars. These are the undeniable characteristics of a civil war. Without them, you don't have one. You all are on and on about the Sunnis and the Shiites, allegedly two sects within Islam, but wars aren't fought over religion! Besides, The President doesn't even know who you are talking about. This is about the Iraqis. They are one group of people.

Now let's look at Iraq. The scattered and unconnected acts of terrorism by the insurgency are not based on geography at all. I haven't seen any rebel flags over there. Besides, the insurgency is in it last throes. We are about to turn the corner, and the terrorists are giving up. Civil war? That's just silly."

More HERE

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All of the insight, foresight and hindsight of an owl that has lost his spectacles. (music reference? Anyone?)

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 05:24 PM

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I wish to point out that all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over how the media covers current events is pointless!

It doesn't do any good to preach about how much coverage is given to any particular issue! It is a meaningless measure of the relative importance of the event itself.

Perhaps if some of you would try to understand what drives the news busineess it would ease your minds a little.

Posted by: Tim at August 25, 2006 05:24 PM

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Can anyone tell my why does Capt always use articles and then comments on them INSTEAD of using stating his own ideas? That description sounds very similar to what he claims Bush is, which is a puppet!

So is Capt a puppet who just parrots what others say?

Posted by: Tim L at August 25, 2006 05:28 PM

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Tim L are you really such a moron you can't tell the difference between the words "led" and "caused"? The Plame outing didn't directly cause Libby's indictment but it did lead to it by starting the chain of events outing > investigation > purjory > indictment

Posted by: Happy to explain things to the trolls at August 25, 2006 05:29 PM

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#117 Drewp LOL! -- you're right. It does look like a spaghetti western.

Posted by: Micki at August 25, 2006 05:34 PM

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#137 Three Dots, Kate O'Beine is on my list for the Wall of Shame. I have very little use for what she says. Bush's policies are spreading the Islamic religion throughout the world. Bush has not stood up to the Saudis in saying that our men and women in Saudi Arabia will be able to wear the Cross. If they cannot wear the Cross, I will consider that an act of war and shock and awe will commence. Bush is not even the equivalent of a pimple on my behind.

There are no Christian churches in Saudi Arabia. How can any country be a democracy without freedom of religion? Let me repeat myself, Bush is not even the equivalent of a pimple on my behind.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 05:36 PM

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Happy to explain to the trolls:

First of all, NO ONE was outed or else there WOULD have been indictments. There hasn't been any, and there won't be any.

Led is the same definition as caused. They are extremely similar words.

Why didn't Corn say "the purgery of a White House official that led to his indictment"????

So Corn either lying if he claimed that Libby was indicted because he outed Plame, or he is lying because Plame was not outed. So you choose which lie!

Posted by: Tim L at August 25, 2006 05:39 PM

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Gen. Batiste: Rumsfeld Served Up Our Great Military A Huge Bowl of Chicken Feces

Today on MSNBC, retired General John Batiste former commander of the First Infantry division in Iraq said that it was "outrageous" Rumsfeld was still in charge of the Pentagon. Batiste added, "He served up our great military a huge bowl of chicken feces, and ever since then, our military and our country have been trying to turn this bowl into chicken salad." Watch it: (at the link)

Transcript:

Donald Rumsfeld is still at the helm of the Department of Defense, which is absolutely outrageous. He served up our great military a huge bowl of chicken feces, and ever since then, our military and our country have been trying to turn this bowl into chicken salad. And it's not working.

More HERE

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One must admire the courage and insight of some in the military. A "Big-old-Bowl" of chicken feces.

Bush says he listens to his military commanders? I wonder if he hears the message that is behind these words?

HA!

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 05:46 PM

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Egypt has killed Christians. Where has Bush been? He has been attacking Saddam Hussein who has permitted religious freedom!!!!! Where has Bush been in Israel's leveling of Christian communities in Lebanon? He has granted Israel more time for shock and awe bombings!!!!!

Three Dots, Kate O'Beirne is a repugnant member of the Nazi Party!!!!! I have little or no use for Kate O'Beirne.

As always I have given you my FAIR AND BALANCED ASSESSMENT OF PARTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 05:48 PM

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capt --- Thanks for the posts regarding somebody doing something re: global warming. I'm slightly more optimistic now...

Posted by: David B. Benson at August 25, 2006 05:51 PM

154

Coulter: Bin Laden Is Irrelevant, Things Are Going Swimmingly In Afghanistan

Last night on Hannity and Colmes, guest host Kirsten Powers confronted Ann Coulter about President Bush's failure to capture Osama Bin Laden and the rapidly deteriorating situation in Afghanistan.

Coulter responded, "As for catching Osama, it's irrelevant. Things are going swimmingly in Afghanistan." Powers blasted Coulter for her answer. Coulter then abruptly decided to end her participation in the middle of the segment, saying, "OK, well, good night! It was nice being here." Watch it: (at the link)

For Ms. Coulter's benefit, here's an update on the situation in the last couple of months in Afghanistan:

Security situation is "close to anarchy." Last month, a senior British military commander said "the situation is close to anarchy" in Afghanistan, and warned western forces were "running out of time" to meet expectations Afghanis have for their security.

Discontent among Afghans is "boiling." "After months of widespread frustration with corruption, the economy and a lack of justice and security," the New York Times reported that "doubts about President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, and by extension the American-led effort to rebuild that nation, have led to a crisis of confidence."

Opium production is at record levels. "Opium cultivation in Afghanistan has hit record levels - up by more than 40 percent from 2005 - despite hundreds of millions in counternarcotics money," the Associated Press reported. "The increase could have serious repercussions for an already grave security situation, with drug lords joining the Taliban-led fight against Afghan and international forces."

Crooks and Liars has more.

More HERE

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OBL - no biggie, Afghanistan? All fine and dandy, eh?

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 05:52 PM

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Let us consider who is lying? HA!

No security clearances revoked over Plame

WASHINGTON --No one in the Bush administration has been stripped of security clearances over the leak of former CIA officer Valerie Plame's identity to reporters three years ago.

In a letter to Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., the CIA said it had no record of anyone in the administration who is no longer privy to the nation's most sensitive secrets because of the Plame leak.

The CIA also revealed it has not yet completed a formal assessment of the damage to national security that may have been caused by Plame's outing in 2003.

The assessment won't be completed until a criminal investigation of the leak has been concluded, Christopher J. Walker, the CIA's director of congressional affairs, said in the July 19 letter to Lautenberg.

For more than a year, Lautenberg and other Democrats have been calling on President Bush to fire presidential adviser Karl Rove and any other aides who discussed Plame's CIA status with reporters -- or, at the least, to revoke their security clearances.

More HERE

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Here is the liar telling more lies:

BUSH THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF SAID HE'D FIRE ANYONE FOR LEAKING, THAT NOBODY WAS INVOLVED.

Asked in June 2004 if he'd stand by his pledge to fire anyone found to have leaked, Bush replied "yes." [Bush Press Conference: Savannah, GA, 6/10/04]

When the White House was asked specifically whether Karl Rove, Elliot Abrams or Lewis Libby told any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said: "Those individuals -- I talked -- I spoke with those individuals, as I pointed out, and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this. And that's where it stands." [White House Briefing, 10/10/03]

"I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action." [Bush Remarks: Chicago, Illinois, 9/30/03]

"The President has set high standards, the highest of standards for people in his administration. He's made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration." [White House Briefing, 9/29/03]

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Hard to have it both ways. Either Bush is honorable and keeps his word or he is a liar that will say whatever he wants without any concern for the truth. That would be a pathological liar, eh?


capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 05:55 PM

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Plame considering suing Armitage

The real question, Sloan said, is whether Armitage revealed Plame's identity to columnist Robert Novak, who was the first to get the information into print. If so, she said that doesn't get Libby or others off the hook in the civil case, but it widens the conspiracy.

"Then I think maybe Armitage was in on it," Sloan said. "The question is just what was Armitage's role?"

Neither Woodward nor Armitage would discuss the meeting.

Plame's attorneys plan to seek depositions from the defendants and others, including Armitage, about the leak.

More HERE

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Who knows what this case will bring out. Somebody is going to pay for the crime even if only in a civil proceeding, eh?


capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 05:59 PM

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Capt #154,
Ann is the proof that despite what Will & Grace and Sex and the City tought us not all drag queens are funny.

Posted by: eyes_open at August 25, 2006 06:01 PM

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It is my perceptual opinion that Kate O'Beirne is a Nazi Party member and a purveyor of hate messages.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 06:03 PM

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Appeasement and War on Iran

Losing is not appeasement

The neocons do not realize that force is a great weapon as long as it's not used. They did not understand that once the U.S. embarked on a policy of force in Iraq, it risked more than its initial stake. Losing Iraq lost the U.S. prestige and credibility everywhere else in the region and wherever else it might be confronted. It strengthened Iran's hand. It weakened Israel's. Practically speaking, the American people and the military are much less likely and capable of underwriting another venture on the heels of a failed one.

Once an initial application of force goes wrong, as in Iraq, defeat and withdrawal begin to look like appeasement in the face of other threats, real or imagined. In other words, what seems like appeasement to the neocons now is a direct consequence of resorting to force in the first place and losing. A U.S. weakened by its missteps and unable to make good on its threats will indeed be more inclined to pull back. If it does, it won't be appeasement. It will be the result of losses and seeking to stem further losses. This will not be the end of the world or Western civilization. It will, however, be attributable to the long-term (flawed) U.S. policy of trying to control the Middle East and to the specific neocon policies that included attacking Iraq, sanctions and threats against Iran, a diplomacy of pressure, and attacking Lebanon.

More HERE

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A very insightful piece.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 06:04 PM

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#157,

HA!

Always good to read your posts Eye's!

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 06:05 PM

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Another book sold. Bought it today. Can't wait to read it!

Posted by: Denva at August 25, 2006 06:06 PM

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Three Dots, here is the answer for our world problems.

Shalom

Here is what America and the world need in order to attain peace and justice on our planet for all of God's children. Here is also what I believe God wants for His children and His vision for the world.

Shalom translated means peace but it is much more than peace. Shalom is a vision of social wholeness; a state of well being for all, where everyone has access to the goods of creation intended to meet the needs of all. Shalom is the substance of the biblical vision of one community embracing all creation where all enjoy the resources that make communal harmony joyous and effective.

Shalom is nothing less than God's intended vision of the world, a dream of God that resists our tendencies for division, hostility, fear, lust, and misery. If there is to be well-being, it will not be just for the isolated and insulated individuals, it is security and prosperity granted to the whole community: the poor, the widow, the orphan, the immigrant, the tax collector and the sinner, the despised and the rejected, young and old, the have and the have nots, the powerful and the dependent. We are in it together. Together we stand before God's blessings and together we receive the gift of life. Shalom comes only to the inclusive embracing community that excludes no one.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 06:10 PM

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Capt Wrote:

"Hard to have it both ways. Either Bush is honorable and keeps his word or he is a liar that will say whatever he wants without any concern for the truth. That would be a pathological liar, eh?"

Well considering the FACT that the NIE was declassified at the time, then it could NOT have been leaked.

Secondly, Plame was NOT a covert agent, and thus was not outed.

So Capt, it is you and David Corn who are the liars, not Bush.

Posted by: Tim L at August 25, 2006 06:12 PM

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C-Span "Book TV" Airs The Case for Impeachment


Dear Center for Constitutional Rights Supporter,

We would like to alert you to a provocative and timely discussion covering Impeachment this weekend on CSpan's Book TV.


This Saturday, C-Span will premiere an exciting 75-minute program featuring the Center for Constitutional Rights' Deputy Legal Director Barbara Olshansky and journalist Dave Lindorff discussing their book "The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing President George W. Bush from Office." The show was taped by C-Span at Robin's Books in Philadelphia in July. It will begin airing nationally on C-Span2's "Book TV" program this Saturday, August 26, at 11pm Eastern (8pm Pacific) and again on Sunday, August 27, at 8:15am Eastern (5:15am Pacific).

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Thanks CCR!

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 06:15 PM

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Warrantless Wiretap Program in Doubt

WASHINGTON - "There are no hereditary kings in America and no powers not created in the Constitution."

That eloquent putdown of an imperial presidency was the essence of a ruling by U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor, who declared President Bush's warrantless wiretap program was unconstitutional.

Bush secretly authorized the intercepts after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, with the stated goal of eavesdropping on international calls and e-mails by potential al-Qaida terrorists. Existence of the program was revealed by The New York Times on Dec. 16.

After Taylor's decision, Bush immediately announced he would appeal. On Monday, he told reporters, "It was a terrible opinion. ... "

The ruling was made in a lawsuit brought by the ACLU and others representing scholars and journalists.

More HERE

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You either support the constitution or you are with Bunnypants. Binary enough for the very simple-minded.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 06:19 PM

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Paradox

Louis Tice of the Pacific Institute in Seattle, Washington offers a paradox, "You give up control in order to be in control". Confident leaders do not have to rule by controlling and punitive threats. He also discusses Erickson's book, "Eight Stages of Human Development", regarding leadership. Leadership starts at the top with basic trust. A dishonest leader cannot be an effective leader. Controlling and punitive threats will have consequences and there will be a backlash against such a leader. People will subtly undermine the leader and in the end the leader is not in control and he or she remains in a constant state of fear. A fearful leader is an unstable leader. Good examples of fearful and unstable leaders are Napoleon and Hitler. We must be vigilant of such leaders, be it in the United States or in the world.

Please pay careful attention to Bush's behavior. You do not have to be a licensed psychiatrist or a Ph.D. psychologist to know that Bush is a very sick person. His increased temper tantrums, his abusive language, his flying all over the country, and his apparent alcoholism and drug intake are signs that Bush is losing it. We have in the WH a very unstable beast that could snap at any minute. We must never forget this psycho's depraved indifference in the murdering of human beings. Pray hard for this demented and deranged amoeba!


Basic Trust

I have shared with you some information regarding a paradox. I will now stress the importance of basic trust in the eight stages of human development. The Bush misadministration has been a very secretive cabal because Bush does not possess basic trust which should have been instilled in his formative years. He and his brothers have nicknamed their mother, "Nutcracker." This nickname should be quite revealing to you. Everything the misadministration does is done in secret. Some secrecy in government is necessary but with Bush it is an obsession of a sick person.

The eighth stage and the last stage is integrity. Integrity is reached about the age of forty-five. For a person to reach integrity everything starts with basic trust. You pass through the various stages. In BushÕ³ life age forty-five is about the time he found God and said that he would not be a drunk. A dozen years later he becomes president through fraud and rigged elections. Bush is a nutcase but more seriously he displays a depraved indifference toward living human beings. It is my perceptual opinion that Bush is close to becoming an insane person. He is too sick to lead a democracy. He will do all in his power to bring down American democracy. Everything that he touches becomes demented and deranged. You see as Americans the unraveling of insane policies from an insane or close to insane person.

Leadership

Coach K, the head coach of Duke, says that the most important word for leadership is trust. If you do not trust the leadership, how can a person lead?

Can you honestly say that you trust Bushitler? There is no way Bushitler can be trusted. His incessant lies make it impossible for him to be trusted. Many Americans are beginning to realize that Bushitler is a liar. His whole life has been one big lie from his appointment as president to his failed war policies. We can also add failure to his name in addition to liar.

The devil incarnate nation has a lying failed despotic dictator controlling our failed and miserable country. Nazi Americans are mirror images of Bushitler.

Everything starts with basic trust. Without basic trust a person cannot reach the final stage of integrity. In Erickson's, "The Eight Stages of Human Development," he stresses the importance of basic trust.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 06:24 PM

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Housing Faw Down, Go Boom

"Strapped homeowners feel the pain," observes a Wall Street Journal headline.

The pain these homeowners feel is, of course, the pain they richly deserve. They took out mortgages with low teaser rates...and now their rates are being adjusted upwards. And they are being squeezed.

The article tells of one couple whose mortgage jumped from a 2.35% rate to 8.75%, two years later. They had something called an "Option ARM," which gave them a selection of alternatives. But now they find they have no alternative at all Ð they cannot afford their own home and must sell the thing. They and every one else, apparently. The market is flooded with inventory. Sellers are getting soaked. The homeowners mentioned in the article put their house on the market for $400,000. With no bids coming, theyÕve cut the price down to $270,000. They have no choice; they canÕt afford to keep the house.

And there are plenty more facing the same dilemma. Delinquency rates are rising, led by delinquencies on ARMs that are three times the rate of regular, fixed-rate mortgages.

More HERE

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Predatory lending should be criminal. That type of thing does not do anybody any good.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 06:25 PM

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Assessing the President

There are generals and church people who say that George W. Bush was chosen to be president by God. I cannot prove or disprove what people are saying. So, I offer you my assessment with some trepidation.

George W. Bush and his regime have been an experiment in mendacity with the American people. His disciples claim that he is the messianic messenger but his message has obfuscated the American people. His character lacks the probity to be a leader and his actions are more reflective of a nefarious person. George W. Bush expects Americans and the media to obsequious to what he says because he says it.

Before I accept the hyperbole that George W. Bush was chosen by God to be president and that God speaks to him, he must possess the virtues of my God which are humility, love, mercy, and patience. Personally, Mr. Bush does not possess any of these virtues. I see him more as a controlling, punitive, and vengeful person, totally lacking in compassion.

George W. Bush displays a depraved indifference toward the killing of living human beings.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 06:29 PM

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#167 capt, the Bilderberg Group in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada has said that the American people are stupid people for accepting the variable mortgage rates and that it was only time before they felt the pain.

Taking loans with 0% interest with a variable option will hurt home owners. The employment situation is very precarious in America but Americans love Bush and we can do nothing.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 06:36 PM

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The Neocons Ride Again

Priming us for war with Iran

[..]

They called themselves, "self-mockingly," as Seymour Hersh reported, "the Cabal." You remember them they're the folks who lied us into war. The ones who cherry-picked their way through mountains of raw data, kept Chalabi on the U.S. payroll, and fed the White House, the Congress, and the American people a constant stream of guff about "weapons of mass destruction" and al Qaeda's alleged "bases" in Iraq. Only now they're calling themselves the "Iranian Directorate," or some such bureaucratic appellation: different name, different target, same lying neocons with a not-so-hidden agenda.

Senor Shulsky is quite an interesting character. He served on the staff of the Senate Intelligence Com-mittee in the early nineteen-eighties and under Richard Perle in the Pentagon during the Reagan years, then on to the Rand Corporation. A scholar who specializes in the works and thought of philosopher Leo Strauss, Shulsky's "Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence" is a fascinating read, arguing against the "empiricism" of the realists in predicting the actions of states, and averring that all depends on the nature of "the regime." Forget the facts, says Shulsky: we can derive something "close to" the truth a priori, simply by determining the nature of "the regime." This certainly leaves the field wide open for the sort of fantasizing that the OSP engaged in.

More HERE

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The article is better than the clip above. It has more solid references.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 06:37 PM

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167
"Strapped homeowners feel the pain," observes a Wall Street Journal headline.

....The article tells of one couple whose mortgage jumped from a 2.35% rate to 8.75%, two years later. They had something called an "Option ARM,"
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Predatory lending should be criminal....
Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 06:25 PM
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When someone is starving and you offer to sell them food at 10 times what you just paid, that is `Predatory'!

Did anyone force the couple to sign the loan documents? IF the housing market contined to rise and increased their equity, would the lender still be viewed as `Predatory' even if rates & their payments goes up, like it has!

capt: you talk too much! Stay with linking articles!

Going to see `Body Works' at Houston Museum of Natural Sciences...hope I won't barf up my pre-exhibit dinner!

Posted by: Happy defends Market at August 25, 2006 06:39 PM

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happy thinks mafia loan sharks are ok becuase free will and free markets takes care of messy problems like broken legs and broken lives.

happy should stick to investing and leave blogging to people with TWO half brains.

Posted by: YET ANOTHER happy scroll by at August 25, 2006 06:43 PM

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Secondly, Plame was NOT a covert agent, and thus was not outed.
Posted by: Tim L at August 25, 2006 06:12 PM

I know Plame's status as a CIA employee was CLASSIFIED information. At the time (Rove told Novak and Novak told the world in the Chicago Tribute,) Plame's status as a CIA agent was a NOC, which means under "non-official cover", which means COVERT.

Posted by: YET ANOTHER happy scroll by at August 25, 2006 06:51 PM

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Gerald,

Shalom is nice but I would refer you to Our Lady on the subject;

Living Our Daily Lives In the Light of the Fatima Secret

Extracts taken from recent interview with
Father Nicholas Gruner, S.T.L., S.T.D. (Cand.)

People say: ÒThe Vatican wonÕt reveal the Third Secret; weÕre not going to get it out of them. Why donÕt we just go on with our lives the way we are, do the best we can, and stop worrying about it?Ó

What we are addressing here is: Is the Third Secret important to us? And, even if the Vatican wonÕt release it, what difference does it make to us?

First of all, the Blessed Virgin Herself thought it was important for us to have the Secret. She thought it important enough to risk the lives of the three children: Jacinta, Francisco, and Lucy. If She didnÕt want to put their lives at risk, She didnÕt have to tell them the Secret at all, and the Mayor of Ourem in August 1917 wouldnÕt have taken them to prison and threatened them with death for not revealing it.

It was so important that Our Lady insisted it be written down. The Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to Sister Lucy on January 2, 1944 specifically to tell her to write the Secret down, precisely because She did not want Sister Lucy to go to her grave without producing a written record of the Third Secret. Our Lady wants the Third Secret to be known. So the Secret is important.


Knowledge of the Third Secret Will Save Souls!

The Blessed Virgin gave a Message in 1917 and a very important part of the Message is in that Secret. She wants us to have the Secret so we can save our souls.

Pope John Paul II, when he went to Fatima, in 1982 said, ÒCan the Mother, with all the forces of love that She fosters in the Holy Spirit, and desires everyoneÕs salvation, can She remain silent when She sees the very basis of Her childrenÕs salvation undermined? And the Pope answers his own question: ÒNo, She cannot remain silent.Ó

The basis of our salvation, among other things, is the Catholic Faith. The Catholic Faith is being undermined and the Blessed Virgin knows that. She sees us in danger and She speaks up. But where does She tell us this? ItÕs in the Secret. She sees that our eternal salvation is in great jeopardy and if She can give us the knowledge that we need to know, we would be alerted. We would be on our guard.

The fact is, SheÕs telling us that one-third of the clergy are working for the devil. We know that from what John Paul II said on May 13, 2000. The Secret talks about the apostasy in the Church being led from the top, which snares one-third of the Catholic clergy to work for the devil. As a result of those clergy working for the devil, many souls are going to go to hell that would not otherwise go to hell.

If the faithful knew that the Secret said that, they would at least be on their guard to not listen to everyone just because they have a collar on. Now someone might ask, ÒWell, what about you, Father Gruner?Ó My answer is simple: ÒJust measure if what IÕm telling you is the same as what the Catholic Church has always taught.Ó

If IÕm not telling you what the Church has always taught, then donÕt listen to me. If the Church has always taught that you must hold on to your infallible Faith, even against a priest, a bishop, a Cardinal, or even the Pope, then you MUST do that.

Are there Cardinals, bishops and priests saying things against the Faith? It would seem so. For example, Cardinal Kasper said in February 2001 Ò... today we no longer understand ecumenism in the sense of a return by which the others would be ÔconvertedÕ and return to being ÔCatholicsÕ. This was expressly abandoned at Vatican II.Ó This teaching of Cardinal Kasper is directly contrary to the thrice-defined infallible Catholic dogma, Òoutside the Church there is no salvation.Ó

This and other statements are scandalous. Cardinal Kasper should be defrocked, never mind just be demoted as a Cardinal. He should be reduced to a layman for the things heÕs saying. But itÕs not happening.

That is why Sister Lucy tells us: ÒWe should not wait for an appeal to the world to come from Rome on the part of the Holy Father. Nor should we wait for the call to penance to come from our bishops in our dioceses, nor from the religious congregations. No! Our Lord has already very often used these means and the world has not paid attention.Ó

Too many Catholics think, well, IÕm okay; IÕm doing what the Catholic clergy are telling me to do. In these extraordinary times, sadly, this is not the criteria to follow. In todayÕs apostasy, do not measure what are acceptable Catholic statements and behavior by what people are doing in the chancery office, or in the Vatican. Our criteria, rather, must be to measure all things by what the Catholic Church has always taught. This is why it is important for us to know the contents of the Secret.

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Housing, energy prices strain shoppers

Overall, shoppers are likely to bargain hunt and put more of their income into savings accounts later this year as the housing market continues to weaken, said Stuart Hoffman, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group.

Beyond the psychological impact, lower home values cut into consumers' ability to borrow money, Hoffman said. Since the real estate boom started, homeowners borrowed against the increased value of their houses.

Losing that borrowing power could take tens of billions of dollars out of the U.S. economy this year, although that remains a tiny fraction of overall spending, Hoffman said. The shift is likely to have the biggest effect on home improvement retailers, as people scale back investment in their houses, he said.

That's not news for David Richardson, the 50-year-old co-owner of Rothschild's Antiques and Home Furnishings in St. Louis. After two strong years of sales, business has slowed dramatically this summer.

"Look around," Richardson said, gesturing to an empty store. "I'm scared. I don't know what's the right thing to do. Do you stand by the tried and true, or do you move on?"

More HERE

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Facts are stupid things, I know.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 06:54 PM

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happy thinks mafia loan sharks are ok becuase free will and free markets takes care of messy problems like broken legs and broken lives.

#172

So mortgage brokers are now evil mafia loan sharks? And you want us to believe you that 9/11 was an inside job? What a BOZO!!


Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 06:55 PM

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#174 Three Dots, it is my understanding that the third secret has to do with the internal makings of the Catholic Church. If that is true, then we will never know the third secret.

I cannot worry about the third secret. I have enough worry regarding my sins.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 07:05 PM

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LOOMING HOUSING CRASH IS HERE / RECESSION NEXT

Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research says that if housing prices fall at least 10%, it could be even more damaging than the collapse of the high-tech stock bubble in 2000: Allen L Roland

Are you ready for this ? Housing prices could very well fall atleast 10% in the next two to three months.

43% of first time homeowners last year put no money down on their purchase and the housing market has definitely cooled off ~ need I say more .

The looming housing crash of 2007 will coincide with rising interest rates, rising oil prices and rising bankruptcies. That's what happens when you owe more than your home is worth ~ and you probably have a second mortgage on it.

The great mirage of the Bush easy money/ high debts economic recovery will soon be evident and felt by all ~ and Rex Nutting, MarketWatch reports that the resultant recession could be nasty and deep.

More HERE

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I recommend an economic crash helmet just to be on the safe side.

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 07:06 PM

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Capt,

The housing bubble is a market correction of a over inflated price boom. The stock market had the same correction and came back to a more reasonable level. The correction is needed and will be painful for people who have over extended themselves with too much house or too much loan.

However, it is not the end of the world and we will recover. The good news is that the stock market has historically been a better way to invest over a ten year period since it started and more people will be returning to it over real estate. In the end more people will be able to afford a house instead of renting when the prices come down which will give them more disposable income to spend on Mr Corns new book!

Ha!

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 07:07 PM

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Gerald,

The third secret is about the internal makings of the Church:

First;

Know That You Are in Danger!

We are in the time of the apostasy and Cardinal Ciappi identified that the Third Secret talks about the apostasy in the Church beginning at the top. He says, ÒtheÓ apostasy. ThereÕs only one ÒtheÓ apostasy which is talked about in Sacred Scripture. And we are living in that time right now. WeÕve had Sacred Scripture for 2000 years, but Our Lady of Fatima is saying that prophecy applies to today.

This is why you, particularly at this time, have to be on guard. ItÕs not that the Catholics of previous ages didnÕt have to be on guard; but today, now that the apostasy is upon us, we must be on guard. ThatÕs why the Secret must be released. If people had been given access to the Third Secret, they would have seen the dangers coming.

Sister Lucy herself, in her interview with Father Fuentes on December 26, 1957, before she was silenced said, Òthe devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battleÓ; the devil thinks he is going to win. Some theologians counter this statement, saying that the devil knows that God has told him he is going to lose, that his head will be crushed by the WomanÕs heel, that is, by the Blessed Virgin Mary.

To answer: we know the devil is going to lose the battle. We know Our Lady will crush his head. But it also says in Scripture that Òiniquity has lied to itselfÓ. The devil has lied to himself. He thinks he is going to win despite the fact that God predicted absolutely that the devil will lose. So, in this final battle, he pretends to himself and to his followers that he is going to win. Thus the devil is spoiling for this final battle now upon us. One of the most tactical, one of the most important moves for him to make at this time is to destroy as many as possible of the Catholic clergy.

Sister Lucy points out that the devil knows he has a very short time and that what gains him more souls than anything else is the fall of the Catholic clergy. In 1957, she pretty well predicted that the clergy would be decimated, as there were 450,000 clergy in 1965 at the end of the Council; and ten years later, the Catholic clergy dropped to 405,000.

On the contrary, the number of Catholics in the world has increased. There were seven hundred million Catholics in 1965 and now there are over a billion, yet there are less clergy to take care of them. There are still only 405,000 Catholic priests. We have never recovered the fifty-thousand who left the ministry!

But worse, you also have many, many so-called Catholic clergy who have stayed in the ministry and are teaching false doctrines and heresy and promoting corruption by their own lifestyle.

The Holy Bible tells us one of the four sins crying to Heaven for vengeance is the sin of sodomy, the sin of homosexuality. The fact that the devil has been able to succeed in getting a number of clergy to practice this despicable lifestyle shows how strong he has been. And the fact that theyÕve been able to hide themselves for this long while spreading the corruption within the clergy, shows how much we are in danger.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 07:11 PM

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Second;

What to do?

It is certainly not the answer to get rid of the Catholic clergy as some would suggest. No! The Catholic clergy is part of the Seven Sacraments which are necessary for salvation. What you need to do is to distinguish between good Catholic clergy and bad Catholic clergy. We need to pray for the priests, bishops, Cardinals and the Pope because, obviously, the devil is attacking them more.

John Paul II, when he went to Fatima, in the year 2000, beatified Jacinta and Francisco. In his homily, he preached on Chapter 12, verses 1 to 4, of the Apocalypse. The first verse starts with the words, ÒA great sign appeared in Heaven, a Woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under Her feet, and on Her head a crown of twelve stars.Ó This is the Blessed Virgin. Verses 3 and 4 talk about the dragon. The dragon faced the Woman clothed with the sun, and the dragon was angry with Her and he used his tail to drag down one-third of the stars of Heaven, that is, Catholic priests, bishops and Cardinals.

How do we know these stars represent the Catholic clergy? Why does Saint John call them the stars of Heaven? ItÕs very simple. A star was used to navigate, in the old days, for finding a way to port. The ÒportÓ that we are destined to go to is Heaven. So the stars of Heaven are the Catholic clergy. They are the stars that show the way to your Heavenly port. It says in the Old Testament that the lips of the priest are to guard wisdom. And so, if the priest is doing his job, he will guard wisdom, he will teach wisdom, and people will find their way to the Heavenly port by listening to him.

Some priests are confused or mistaken and are not necessarily working for the devil, but one-third of them are. And so we have to distinguish between them. We cannot follow anyone who teaches false doctrine, even if they are of good intent, even if they are ignorant.

ItÕs not inconceivable that even a Pope can teach false doctrine. And this is not against the teaching of infallibility. Pope John XXII, in the years 1330-1334, preached heresy; but he didnÕt teach it to the whole Church. He did not invoke his infallibility. In fact, John XXII was corrected over several years by concerned theologians who were faithful to perennial Catholic truth. He recanted and disowned his prior false teaching before he died in 1334. Can a Pope teach false doctrine? Yes, it can happen. It has happened in the past, and not in the case of John XXII alone. ItÕs rare, but it does happen.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2006 07:13 PM

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Third;

What is Apostasy?

In this time of Apostasy, since 1960, weÕre living in the period of the Third Secret, and Cardinal Ciappi tells us that the Third Secret warns us of the Apostasy. Apostasy is a Greek word which means ÒrebellionÓ. A Scripture scholar pointed out to me that the great apostasy predicted in Scripture will be a widespread falling away from both belief in the Catholic Faith as well as the refusal to live as good Catholics. All rational beings follow first reason: right reason or wrong reason. Most people follow what their thoughts tell them they see, just like we look where we go with our eyes. When we make up our mind to do something, we first of all make a plan; we make a decision Ñ this is where I want to go, this is what I want to do Ñ and then we follow through with it.

Thus, having false doctrine in the place of the true Faith leads you to Apostasy. But some will say, ÒWell, IÕm a good person, I donÕt understand all this doctrine stuff, I believe what I believe. As long as weÕre good people, weÕll go to Heaven. What do we need all these little doctrinal points for?Ó

In answer, remember Our Lord said to Pilate, ÒItÕs for this reason I came into the world to witness to the truth.Ó The point is that Our Lord died as a witness to the truth. So the truth is important. Doctrine, that is, the truth revealed by God, is important.

Why is it the people of our age are falling into Apostasy? Because they have not loved the truth. So God, Himself, is sending a deceiving influence among the people, because they do not love the truth. (2 Thess. 2:10) The truth is a primary value. If we do not love the truth, then everything else we do counts for nothing. We have to love the truth. We have to seek the truth.

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Re #178: capt, thanks for the heads-up.

Posted by: David B. Benson at August 25, 2006 07:14 PM

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Fourth;

Knowing the Truth

How do we know the truth? As a Catholic, we know the truth by what the Catholic Church has infallibly defined. So if somebody contradicts an infallible definition, he cannot claim, in all honesty, to be a true Catholic. Although he may be ignorant because he doesnÕt even know his ÒABCÕsÓ of Catholicism.

St. Paul himself said: ÒBut though we, or an angel from Heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.Ó (Gal. 1:8) That is, let him be cursed, let him be cast into hell, do not have anything to do with him.

Obviously, teaching a doctrine different from the one that was taught by Christ through the Apostles is bad for you. St. Paul curses you to hell for that. Now certainly, St. Paul, as well as myself, would hope that you repent, that you change your doctrine, and come back to the knowledge and the teaching of the truth. But if you wonÕt, then your destiny is to be against God, to be against what God stands for, and to be against Jesus Christ. Christ died on the Cross to give you the truth and youÕre trampling on it by saying that the truth doesnÕt matter. This is why the Catholic Church infallibly teaches that heretics and those who refuse to accept the truth will go to hell forever it they do not repent.

Annihilation of Faith is Worse
Than Annihilation of Nations

Bishop Amaral, the former Bishop of Fatima, after consulting Sister Lucy, speaking about the Third Secret, said it does not concern 55-20 missiles but rather, it concerns the Faith. So what does the annihilation of nations mean? The physical annihilation is a terrible thing and I donÕt wish to minimize it, but it cannot begin to be compared with the eternal loss of souls.

So if a country, for example, gets annihilated by missiles, certainly people die and they suffer a horrible death; but if theyÕre in a state of grace, they go to Heaven and have achieved their destiny for all eternity. On the other hand, if theyÕve apostatized, that is, those who have been baptized and accepted Christ and then they deny Him, refuse his teaching, and say it doesnÕt matter; then their soul will go to hell for all eternity.

And so, the apostasy of a nation is much worse than the annihilation of a nation. And the apostasy of a continent is worse than the apostasy of a nation. The Third Secret talks about entire nations apostatizing and losing the Faith. IÕve worked at this for 28 years to save nations from being annihilated; but much more so, for the salvation of souls, so they donÕt apostatize.

Jesus said of Judas that it would have been better for him not to have been born. The betrayal of Christ is a terrible thing and you betray Christ by teaching false doctrine, all the while knowing youÕre not teaching the doctrine of the Church. ThatÕs a terrible betrayal. Certainly, personal sins are terrible and the problem with that is that it corrupts their hearts, and after a while, theyÕll more easily fall into heresy and false doctrine, and theyÕll be more easily used to promoting the work of the devil.

A Solemn Duty

You may recall that the strike on Pearl Harbor in 1941 could have been averted had the Commander-in-Chief not withheld information warning of the planned attack. That was wrong. The men and women deserved the right to know so they would at least have had a fighting chance to save their lives.

Consider then, how much worse it is for the Commander-in-Chief of the Catholic Church, the Holy Father, to not release the information he has in his possession from Heaven about the plans the devil has for stealing our souls. In turn, his bishops, having been given charge of a diocese, have a divine responsibility, given to them by God Himself, to take care of those souls in that territory. The Pope and the bishops have to answer to God for those souls. The Pope owes it to those bishops to give them that information so they can pass it on to their leading officers, the parish priests out there. The same thing, every parish priest is personally responsible for the salvation of the souls in his parish. So, if the Commander-in-Chief has information that can help save those souls right down to the parish level, and does not release this information, he is derelict in his duty for saving those souls.

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Last;

Danger of War Should Not Prevent
Revealing the Third Secret

Now I understand thereÕs several reasons why the Vatican doesnÕt want to release the Third Secret. First of all, because itÕs an indictment of most of the changes in the Church since Vatican II, which are still imposed de facto. And certainly, to release the Third Secret would cause a lot of embarrassment for those who still defend the ill-conceived policies and practices promoted in the name of Vatican II. IÕm sure I would find it embarrassing if I had been in their position. Objectively speaking though, it is their obligation to give us this truth, the Third Secret, so that we can properly defend ourselves.

St. Alphonsus tells us that a Catholic priest who is a pastor is obligated to give the Last Sacraments to his parishioner. He must do that even if the parishioner is stuck in a place that is dangerous. The priest nevertheless must, if necessary, put his life in danger to give the Last Sacraments to his parishioners. ItÕs a personal obligation: IÕm sorry for the inconvenience to you Father, IÕm sorry that I put you in this position, but that is Providence. Your job is to take care of my soul. But if thatÕs true for the pastor of a parish, and it is, then itÕs much more true for the pastor of a diocese, which is the bishop, or the pastor of all the souls of the Catholic Church, which is the Pope. They also have the obligation to put their life on the line, if necessary, to save the souls of those entrusted to their care.

We Have the Right to Insist

A man who accepts the office of the papacy does not accept it at gunpoint. He can refuse. But once he accepts it, then he has a duty to care for the flock, to guard the flock against error, and to teach the truth, even at the cost of his life. And since the Secret is obviously something important that Our Lady wants us to know for our salvation and the good of the world, the Pope has a duty to give this information to us, and we have a right to request it.

Am I making that up? No. It is defined Catholic dogma. In fact itÕs twice defined; the first time was 1274, the Second Council of Lyons, which says that the faithful have the right to have direct recourse to the Pope in matters pertaining to ecclesiastical jurisdiction.

ÒDangers to the FaithÓ

In 1984, Cardinal Ratzinger was asked why the Third Secret had not been revealed. He gave a published reply in which he said:

ÒBecause it adds nothing to what a Christian must know concerning what derives from revelation: i.e., a radical call for conversion; the absolute importance of history, the dangers threatening the faith and the life of the Christian, and therefore of the world.Ó

He also said it concerns the last times, and tells us it is contained in Sacred Scriptures, that is, those events predicted at the end of time Ñ events of terrible chastisements and punishments that have already started to take place and are going to happen shortly, in our lifetime. We are in a certain stage of history, and we are in that stage now. That stage that has been predicted in Sacred Scripture, and we must do something about it now. We must convert now, because if not we will be dragged down along with the rest of them in the general Apostasy surrounding us.

Our Lord said, Òyou are the salt of the earthÓ. This means that the believing, practicing Catholics Ñ the members of His one true Church Ñ are the salt of the earth. But Our Lord warns us all, that if the salt loses its flavor, it is cast out and trampled under foot.

Thus if any of us lose the Faith, or no longer live it, if we succumb to todayÕs general apostasy, we have lost our taste with God, we are no longer a preservative against sin, then if we do not repent we will be cast out, will be trodden under foot.

And the more Catholics lose their salt, that is, fall away from the faith, the less Catholic influence in the world, the more the devil triumphs, and the entire world falls into sin and ruin. Thus the dangers to the Faith are indeed dangers to the life of the Christian and therefore, to the life of the world.

Why the danger to the world? Because Our Lord would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah if he could find five just men in that region. But if the salt lost its flavor, there would be no one left to worthily plead for the mercy of God against Divine chastisement. This is why Our Lady of Fatima warns that God will punish the whole world (if we do not repent) by means of wars and divine chastisements coming from Heaven.

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#125 What about the arsenal that the US have? Oh, they are the keeprs of world peace! I'll tell you that we don't need your help in keeping the peace. You did a hell of a job during WWII, but that was another era. Biological, chemical and nuclear weapons is what the US have today.
So, we can have it, but not you!

Posted by: Erling Krange at August 25, 2006 07:17 PM

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Cornposters, a while back there was a post on the names of justice and peace organizations. I believe that there were six or seven names listed. One was CodePink. I have on and it is Pax Christi USA. If you name the others or know of justice and peace organizations, please share their names. Thank you for any help!

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 07:19 PM

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Due to the time difference. I'm heading for the sack. I'll see you tomorroww.
g'nite!

Posted by: Erling Krange at August 25, 2006 07:24 PM

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If You Hate America, You Have to Love Bush

A true patriot cannot be silent while George W. Bush destroys the United States of America. Those who confront Bush and his regime of death and disease do so out of an abiding love for humanity and the values this nation purports to hold dear. It is those who support Bush's draconian policies who are anti-American. After all, it is they who happily trample the constitution, revel in the defilement of our natural resources, abandon the maintenance of our vital infrastructures, disdain pubic education, debase scientific advancement, flout governmental ethics and consciously subvert democracy. Those who stand with Bush stand with him in destroying America.

Bush has created billions of enemies of America and has galvanized them into a major world force. When Bush took office, the United States was held in high esteem. Bill Clinton could go anywhere in the world and be greeted by hordes of admirers and fans waving American flags. Bush can not go anywhere without causing a riot.

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"Our American values are not luxuries but necessities, not the salt in our bread, but the bread itself. Our common vision of a free and just society is our greatest source of cohesion at home and strength abroad, greater than the bounty of our material blessings." ~ Jimmy Carter (1924 - )

capt

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 07:25 PM

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Led is the same definition as caused. They are extremely similar words.
Posted by: Tim L at August 25, 2006 05:39 PM

OK Tim L but so you can save face. What makes them different however is th salient point.

Posted by: YET ANOTHER happy scroll by at August 25, 2006 07:26 PM

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#182 Three Dots, I can accept the third secret. What is apostasy? We are seeing it today with the lay people, priests, and bishops who will focus on the two of the ten principles of Catholic Social Teaching and conveniently forget the other eight principles. Catholics and the hierarchy in the American Catholic Church must relocate their moral compasses.

Posted by: Gerald at August 25, 2006 07:27 PM

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Christoher Shays is another cut and run Republican.

Posted by: YET ANOTHER happy scroll by at August 25, 2006 07:28 PM

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n'ite erlang.

Posted by: YET ANOTHER happy scroll by at August 25, 2006 07:29 PM

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9/11 was an outside job. mortgage and lending practices are regulated by law. LBH can't link. LBH is strangely silent on buying Corn's latest book. LBH is a dead head. Happy would make a financial contribution to support Corn if it were more "convenient". My dog ate my homework.

Posted by: YET ANOTHER happy scroll by at August 25, 2006 07:34 PM

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#190

Panty nit picks Tim L over 'th' and the lying lies of the Corn master!

#194

Panty has confused himself about inside/outside job of 9/11 and mortgage brokers being mafia dons regulted by law. Huh?

Panty, I think you should buy the book for me! No, better yet, buy one for all us neo-cons as part of the Corn progressive public education of lies to be told! Mr Corn would gladly accept your contribution to the cause! So when do i get my copy?

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 07:54 PM

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A tale of two crises Lebanon rebuilds, New Orleans waits Joyce Chediac Published Aug 23, 2006

In the Middle East, after a month of Israeli bombing, the people of Lebanon are digging

themselves out from the rubble and struggling to return to their homes. In the United States, a full year after Hurricane Katrina, the people of New Orleans are still fighting to do the same thing: return home. In the United States, the New Orleans relief effort was spearheaded by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Washington�s disaster relief arm. In Lebanon it is being organized by Hezbollah, the grassroots Lebanese resistance movement that George W. Bush calls "terrorist." Which group would you want conducting a rescue effort if you lost your home? Let us see how the relief efforts compare. The rescues In New Orleans, the people who could not self-evacuate the city, including the sick and people too poor to afford cars, were left to their own devices when the waters rose. Many of the most vulnerable drowned in their homes. The tens of thousands of old, sick and infirm people who the city encouraged to gather in the Superdome until the storm passed were left there for five days. They had no medical attention, no sanitation, little water and food. Many died. Some 3,000 other flood survivors stranded at the Convention Center suffered the same fate. All day the television networks showed footage of people stranded on roofs waving hand-made "help me" signs, and others in the Superdome begging for water and medicine for dying seniors. Yet FEMA head Michael Brown said he didn�t realize the extent of the crisis until four days after the levees collapsed. Then he took another four days to rescue the survivors. In Lebanon, Hezbollah, the force fighting and defending the villages, at the same time started helping the population as soon as the Israeli bombing began. The Leba nese resistance provided the ambulances and scores of searchers who pulled people from the rubble. They helped organize getting tens of thousands of refugees to schools, public parks and private homes. (Christian Science Monitor, Aug. 16) In Beirut alone, Hezbollah organized 10 mobile medical teams that cared for 14 schools each, in two-day rotations, helping 48,000 people. Another 70,000 were treated in houses by other professionals. In a Hezbollah kitchen near downtown Beirut, volunteers pre-8,000 hot meals a day�part of a daily total of 50,000 they distributed across Beirut, reported the Monitor. In New Orleans, families evacuated from the Superdome and the Convention Center were scattered all over the country. Parents were sometimes separated from children. Some didn�t know if loved ones lived or died. Three months after Katrina hit, 6,500 people were still unaccounted for, and more than 400 bodies still unidentified, according to the National Center for Missing Adults. In Lebanon, within 24 hours of the Aug. 14 cease-fire, Hezbollah had set up a hotline to help refugees, and so refugees could connect based on their place of residence, according to Lebanese TV. (www.foreignpolicy.com) In the Superdome, bodies remained for four or five days in 100-degree heat. Relatives standing vigil were forced to abandon the remains during the evacuation, sometimes at gunpoint. Bodies were left in flood waters, many to be discovered by loved ones returning home months later. Evacuees who had lost everything could not afford to bury their dead with dignity. Grieving relatives sent to different states could offer each other little comfort. After the cease-fire in Lebanon, finding and burying the dead with dignity became a priority. The resistance immediately began digging out bodies buried in the rubble and identifying them. Remains were held for burial until the family returned. Mass funerals were held, paid for by the resistance, so neighbors could comfort each other and lean on the communities� strength. On Aug. 18, a caravan of cars made its way from one service to the next. Said Shiite cleric Sheik Shoue Qatoon, "It was decided that we would schedule the funerals so that we could all attend them all." (AP, Aug. 19) Scattered in hotels around the country, without jobs or sources of income, New Orleans refugees were offered by Washing ton a maximum of $2,000 per family to live on. That was enough for a hotel room for two weeks. Even then, the media launched a racist campaign claiming to expose "cheaters" who were "misusing" the tiny sum. In December, New Orleans� displaced people were given 15 days to leave hotels, with no further provisions made for them.
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Way to go bush.

The right to return...

Posted by: Saladin at August 25, 2006 07:55 PM

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Oh crap! Panty's side kick the Wh*re of Hezbollah is back. I'm outa here Cornpuppets!

Posted by: LBH at August 25, 2006 07:58 PM

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A global problem: How to avoid war over water Kevin Watkins and Anders Berntell International Herald Tribune Published: August 23, 2006

...here's the question. Are we heading for an era of "hydrological warfare" in which rivers, lakes and aquifers become national security assets to be fought over, or controlled through proxy armies and client states? Or can water act as a force for peace and cooperation? Observing recent events, it is difficult to avoid joining the ranks of pessimists who see water wars not as a future threat, but a living reality. Take the recent conflict in Lebanon. Beyond the unfolding horror captured on our television screens, one event went almost unnoticed. The destruction by Israeli bombs of irrigation canals supplying water from the Litani River to farmland along the coastal plain and parts of the Bekaa Valley threatens thousands of livelihoods. The Litani irrigation system is not an isolated example. Last month in Sri Lanka, the refusal of Tamil Tiger rebels to open a sluice gate for canals that supply water to rice farmers sparked a full-scale military assault that claimed the lives of 17 aid workers. Water conflicts are invariably shaped by local factors. But the sheer scale of these conflicts makes it impossible to dismiss them as isolated events. What we are dealing with is a global crisis generated by decades of gross mismanagement of water resources. The facts behind the crisis tell their own story. By 2025, more than two billion people are expected to live in countries that find it difficult or impossible to mobilize the water resources needed to meet the needs of agriculture, industry and households. Population growth, urbanization and the rapid development of manufacturing industries are relentlessly increasing demand for finite water resources...
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Global warming, or global thirst, what will come first?

Posted by: Saladin at August 25, 2006 08:08 PM

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#100 Den I had done some reading on the "official secrets act" a few years ago. Plan to read some more, so that I can really have a discussion. The conundrum seems to be how can you hold reporters who hide behind freedom of the press rights and who have their own twisted agendas, from doing so much harm via their reporting (if you can call what Judy Miller's articles before the invasion reporting). How do you hold them accountable for lying and mis-using classified documents that prove to be detrimental to the well being of the American public (Judy Miller'r reporting had a direct effect on Americans and Iraqi's lives) and also threaten U.S.national security. (the outing of Valerie Plame). As for congress being kept in the dark, this Republican controlled congress has been too happy to keep themselves, the Democrats and the American people in the dark. They still refuse to hold anyone accountable for the false pre-war intelligence, Cheney's energy plan, NSA wiretapping program etc etc. I don't know or understand enough about the "official secrets act" and how that would effect how much more in the dark they can be. We have seen a few cracks of light slipping into this Republican inflicted darkness. When light has been forced in to the Republicans dark and shadowy intelligence programs, Nsa Wiretapping programs, energy policies the direction of our country does not look so good.

Posted by: kathleen at August 25, 2006 08:32 PM

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"Now, I say to you today my friends, even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: - 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.'"

~ Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968), Speech at Civil Rights March on Washington, August 28, 1963

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 08:34 PM

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Amy Goodman's Democracy Now, always worth the hour. She is the new Walter Cronkite (I just trust her) for me only much much better.
Her program is one of the best things going.


Friday, August 25th, 2006

Headlines for August 25, 2006

- U.S. State Dept Investigates Israeli Use Of Cluster Bombs

;- Lebanon Accuses Israel Of Waging Economic War - France to Send 2,000 Troops to Lebanon

- Pro-War Hawks Say Intel Downplays Risk Posed by Iran&
- British Troops Forced to Abandon Iraq Base& FDA OKs Over the Counter Sale of Plan B For Adults
- NYC Man Arrested For Broadcasting Lebanese TV Station
- Bus Driver Forces Black Students To Sit In Back - Survivor TV Realty Show Will Pit Races Against Each Other
- Agent Orange Victim Kerry Ryan, 35, Dies ;--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by: kathleen at August 25, 2006 08:38 PM

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Capt Wrote:

I know I am not smart and have no common sense (according to some that post here) but IF the official version of events are true and factual then let that "proof" withstand a real investigation? What is bad about that? Let the truth be proven not just projected.

It is very telling that the Bush supporters and those that support the official version have to belittle anybody asking for the truth? That says more about their insecurity and their weakness (of mind AND common sense) than anything, eh?

Wait a minute though, Capt CAN'T have it both ways! He either ACKNOWLEDGES that al Qaeda terrorists caused 9/11, or he DENIES the existence of terrorism, and thus is an ally of al Qaeda. See to Capt, al Qaeda is a peaceful organization.

So which is it Capt, you love America and acknowledge that al Qaeda terrorists caused the attacks of 9/11, OR you are a terrorist-loving anti-American wacko who thinks America would ATTACK ITSELF (LMAO)??

Posted by: Tim L at August 25, 2006 08:42 PM

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Talk about letting the sunshine in. Had to remind people once again if you have not read this yet, this can give you some hope in our justice system.

New ruling in AIPAC case raises
questions about foreign agents By Ron Kampeas
;August 23, 2006

WASHINGTON, Aug. 23 (JTA) A new pretrial ruling in the classified-information case against two former pro-Israel lobbyists raises new questions about what defines a foreign agent and whether the government has the right to spy on lobbyists. ;Ruling on whether a wiretap order was legal, Judge T.S. Ellis III said there was ample probable cause to believe that two former employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee were agents of a foreign power. The ruling was handed down last week and declassified Tuesday.
Ellis also said that collection or transmission of material that is not generally available to the public qualifies as an activity that could merit wiretapping...
more at Jewish Telegraphic Agency JTA

Posted by: kathleen at August 25, 2006 08:44 PM

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"It was not their irritating assumption of equality that annoyed Nicholai so much as their cultural confusions. The Americans seemed to confuse standard of living with quality of life, equal opportunity with institutionalized mediocrity, bravery with courage, machismo with manhood, liberty with freedom, wordiness with articulation, fun with pleasure - in short, all of the misconceptions common to those who assume that justice implies equality for all, rather than equality for equals."

~ Trevanian from the novel "Shibumi"

Posted by: capt at August 25, 2006 08:58 PM

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Sweet Jesus on a bicycle built for two!

My scrolling finger's cramping.

Posted by: Hajji at August 25, 2006 09:07 PM

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Capt,

N.Hel is one cool, cold-assed MF! GREAT BOOK!

-T

Posted by: Hajji at August 25, 2006 09:09 PM

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I learned a lot about "tuning" a water-garden from that book...

And the spelunking scenes really hit home. At the time I was reading "Shibumi" my whole little gang often were to be found, below grownd, underneath some mountains near Olive Hill, KY (home of Tom T. Hall, btw)

-T

Posted by: Hajji at August 25, 2006 09:12 PM

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#109 LBH,

Hey thanks for checking out my website. I agree that liberals and conservatives can agree on some music, but I think if you posed that question to say the "Dixie Chicks" they may take umbrage to such a general statement. In fact I get really annoyed by the "fake" "patriotic" crap that sometimes passes for country music now days. But hey check this tune out. Stay out the bu$hes

Posted by: uncledad at August 25, 2006 09:17 PM

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#196 Saladin,

That is an interesting comparison. It points out the inability or unwillingness of the bush-led government to really do anything useful unless bombs and or oil are involved. Although putting Hezzbolah up on a perch as the article does, is in my opinion disingenuous at best. I mean I am no fan of bu$hco, but come on. Hezzbolah was at least as compliant in the overwhelming destruction of Lebanon recently as the IDF. Bu$hco did not cause Katrina (although their response was impeachable). Hezzbolla on the other hand was a willing partner with the IDF in the wholesale madness that we all witnessed just 2 short weeks ago. Hardly a fair comparison, don't you think.

Posted by: uncledad at August 25, 2006 09:45 PM

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Gerald, either take off the whole Quasi Catholic element, or please for the sake of the country shut the hell up.

Quite frankly, I must, at this point ask.....What's GOD got to do with it? The things that seem to be most divisive in the world at the moment seem to me at least to be faith based.

I could belive in Unicorns if I wanted to, would it justify me if I chose to kill Leprechauns? .......Not so much.

Survivor, focusing on racial divisions I find to be in singularly bad taste and deeply badly timed.

If ever in the history of the world we more needed to focus on that which we share, rather than how we differ, I do not know of it.

Faith should NEVER promote hatred of any kind, it should lead us to each other ........in Peace.

In my Agnostic mind, that is what CHRIST, MOHAMED, ETC. Would have wanted.

No Diety I am Willing to belive in would be in favor of the killing of innocents for any cause.

There is no way on earth I will ever go see the movie Snakes on a Plane, but I could not think of a better metaphor for the State of our Union at the moment.

But.........Im upbeat.

Chips are beginning to fall.

Posted by: titchaba at August 26, 2006 02:58 AM

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Gerald, either take off the whole Quasi Catholic element, or please for the sake of the country shut the hell up.

Quite frankly, I must, at this point ask.....What's GOD got to do with it? The things that seem to be most divisive in the world at the moment seem to me at least to be faith based.

I could belive in Unicorns if I wanted to, would it justify me if I chose to kill Leprechauns? .......Not so much.

Survivor, focusing on racial divisions I find to be in singularly bad taste and deeply badly timed.

If ever in the history of the world we more needed to focus on that which we share, rather than how we differ, I do not know of it.

Faith should NEVER promote hatred of any kind, it should lead us to each other ........in Peace.

In my Agnostic mind, that is what CHRIST, MOHAMED, ETC. Would have wanted.

No Diety I am Willing to belive in would be in favor of the killing of innocents for any cause.

There is no way on earth I will ever go see the movie Snakes on a Plane, but I could not think of a better metaphor for the State of our Union at the moment.

But.........Im upbeat.

Chips are beginning to fall.

Posted by: titchaba at August 26, 2006 02:59 AM

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LBH

The living slap/tickle.

Post a resume' in which you can Post your views for all to see , and stick to it.

That you aspire to be up David's butt is ........most clear. One wonders as to your mission there....

Posted by: titchaba at August 26, 2006 03:07 AM

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