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August 28, 2006

HUBRIS Reaction

There's been a big reaction to the first wave of news from HUBRIS. Tim Russert pressed Bob Novak yesterday on the Armitage revelation. Novak declined to acknowledge that our book got it right, but he did say it was time for his source to out himself. Many bloggers have covered the news. This morning, my co-author Michael Isikoff was on the Today Show. Tonight, he'll be on Hardball, and I'm scheduled to be on the Special Report on the Fox News Channel. Not surprisingly, there's been a round of attacks from conservatives. I'll be responding to some of that nonsense soon. In the meantime, if you aren't up to speed on the HUBRIS news, read the entry below.

Posted by David Corn at August 28, 2006 12:36 PM

Comments

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Mr. David Corn,

The bigger the reaction the better.

Thanks

Kirk

Posted by: capt at August 28, 2006 12:51 PM

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Matt Laurer introduces Isikoff as the author of Hubris and doesn't even mention Corn. Isikoff only mentions Corn in a little snip-it as the co-author. Same deal in the Newsweek article about Isikoff and Hubris.

What's up Corn, I thought this was your book?

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 12:54 PM

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The War in Iraq Costs
$310,370,061,496

And still counting!

Posted by: Erling Krange at August 28, 2006 12:54 PM

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Beat up the messenger!

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at August 28, 2006 12:54 PM

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Too bad Corn didn't investigate before accusing Rove as the leaker. Any appologies on the horizion?

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 12:57 PM

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So how's that boomin' economy the Wush says GOPhers should run on doing for most Americans?

Real Wages Fail to Match a Rise in Productivity
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE and DAVID LEONHARDT
Published: August 28, 2006

With the economy beginning to slow, the current expansion has a chance to become the first sustained period of economic growth since World War II that fails to offer a prolonged increase in real wages for most workers.

That situation is adding to fears among Republicans that the economy will hurt vulnerable incumbents in this years midterm elections even though overall growth has been healthy for much of the last five years.

The median hourly wage for American workers has declined 2 percent since 2003, after factoring in inflation. The drop has been especially notable, economists say, because productivity the amount that an average worker produces in an hour and the basic wellspring of a nations living standards has risen steadily over the same period.

As a result, wages and salaries now make up the lowest share of the nations gross domestic product since the government began recording the data in 1947, while corporate profits have climbed to their highest share since the 1960s.

More.

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While CEOs get golden parachutes workers get golden showers called trickle down.

It is time to stop getting pissed on and start getting pissed off!

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at August 28, 2006 01:10 PM

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Hey, LBH, it comes with the turf. General Rove is guilty of many shenanigans, some illegal, some immoral, some unethical.

He's a public figure. Deal with it.

Posted by: Micki at August 28, 2006 01:23 PM

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PARDON ME!

According to AP, bush has issued 99 pardons during his 5 1/2 years in office, which is the lowest rate for any postwar president. Reagan granted 406 in 8 years in office.

Looks like bush must be saving 'em up for all his pals! Hubris, indeed!

Posted by: Micki at August 28, 2006 01:26 PM

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In the meantime, if you aren't up to speed on the HUBRIS news, read the entry below.

and while you're doing that american forces are still spreading DU around as if it were bug killer in iraq. die bugs!

Posted by: spy on this! at August 28, 2006 01:34 PM

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"Patriotic Americans believe that those in power must earn their authority over other human beings. That authority is not earned simply by gaining office; it is earned by upholding our nation's values."
By Rocky Anderson (Mayor of Salt Lake City)
The Salt Lake Tribune, August 25, 2006

When Thomas Jefferson wrote that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism," he indicated our duty as patriotic Americans is not to keep obediently silent when the policies of our elected officials damage our country and its standing in the world. Rather, our duty is to defend those shared principles that define us as Americans against those who would violate them for inhumane, destructive ends. Patriotic Americans believe that those in power must earn their authority over other human beings. That authority is not earned simply by gaining office; it is earned by upholding our nation's values. The demonstrations on Aug. 30 are directed at an administration whose policies have been disastrous and sometimes even illegal, and at a Congress that has unquestioningly supported these policies. The Bush administration and Congress, with the help of a complacent and complicit news media, were directly responsible for misleading the American public into an unnecessary, tragic war that has killed more than 2,600 and maimed more than 19,000 courageous men and women in our armed forces and led to the deaths of more than 100,000 Iraqi civilians. The administration has harmed the American people and our nation and tarnished the principles we cherish in many other ways. It has repaid the sacrifices of our soldiers by proposing to slash Department of Veterans Affairs funding by $11.8 billion by 2011, forcing 600,000 veterans out of the VA's health-care system. It has authorized torture, kidnapping and incarcerating people without charge, and it has engaged in the unconstitutional wiretapping of law-abiding Americans. Never before has our national leadership so systematically undermined the greatness of our nation. Outrages of this magnitude demand dissent driven by a true patriotism - our love and concern for our country. Each one of us has the inescapable responsibility to stand up and oppose those who are accountable. As President Theodore Roosevelt said, "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Those who believe that criticism of a federal administration's war policy is reprehensible or aids the enemy might consider the American Legion's outrageous opposition to the war to stop ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. While American troops were in combat, the American Legion passed Resolution 44 condemning U.S. participation in the Kosovo War. In a letter to President Clinton, a former Legion commander urged "the immediate withdrawal of all U.S. troops participating in 'Operation Allied Force.'" It said the United States Armed Forces "should never be committed to wartime operations" unless certain conditions are met, including "a clear statement by the President of why it is in our vital national interests to be engaged in hostilities," and "guidelines . . . for the mission, including a clear exit strategy." Of course, neither of these conditions has been met with respect to the tragic, misbegotten war in Iraq. We cannot, out of concern for "politeness" or "appropriateness," abdicate our responsibility to speak out when we believe our nation and our nation's values have been severely undermined. If we keep silent, we submit to a dangerous national culture of obedience, which denigrates dissenters as treasonous and unpatriotic. This slavish deference to authority corrupts the soul, transforms our moral beliefs and freedom of conscience into objects for manipulation by those in power, and makes us weak, thoughtless, and fearful. As President Eisenhower, who commanded Allied forces in Europe during World War II, advised, "May we never confuse honest dissent for disloyal subversion."



Posted by: Erling Krange at August 28, 2006 01:40 PM

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David,
In case I haven't posted this yet. THANK YOU for finishing the book in time for the elections.

Posted by: Jeanne at August 28, 2006 01:42 PM

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Matt Laurer introduces Isikoff as the author of Hubris and doesn't even mention Corn.

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 12:54 PM

LBH, you get your news from NBC's Today Show? It's time for you to find another source and that includes Fox Faux.

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 01:46 PM

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David:

Based on his comment at amazon, it appears Michael D. Schrage has already decided he doesn't like your book.

Did he get an advance copy for review, I wonder. Or is he just a crab?

Posted by: Micki at August 28, 2006 01:47 PM

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5 Too bad Corn didn't investigate before accusing Rove as the leaker. Any appologies on the horizion?

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 12:57 PM

Rove confirmed for Novak and volunteered the CLASSIFIED info to Cooper. You DEFINTELY have to get another news source.

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 01:49 PM

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#13 Or both?

Posted by: Micki at August 28, 2006 01:50 PM

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"I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell."
"I think I understand what military fame is; to be killed on the field of battle and have your name misspelled in the newspapers."

William T. Sherman, Class of 1840
United States Military Academy
West Point, New York

Posted by: Erling Krange at August 28, 2006 01:57 PM

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from Amazon blog about HUBRIS:

what a model of objective and fairly-reported journalism thisa book must be given that the co-author's previous book is entitled 'The Lies of George W. Bush'...

and mike isikoff, who i worked with @ the washington post, was one of the newsweek reporters responsible for the too-fast-to-print and erroneous 'koran in the toilet' story...

bottom line: this book is non-non-fiction...parts of it are undoubtedly true; the catch is, which parts...?

Michael D. Schrage

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There is no indication MDS has read the new book. He quetions the journalistic integrity of the effort without examining the substance. How about a substantive review? MDS may be a mudslinger.

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 02:00 PM

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DAVID CORN. Enjoy the ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!! !!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!! !!!!

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 02:01 PM

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Democracy Now Headlines

Authors: Armitage Leaked Plameճ Identity
This news on the CIA leak case Рa new book has identified former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage as the White House source who outed former CIA operative Valerie Plame. The authors, journalists Michael Isikoff of Newsweek and David Corn of the Nation, cite three government sources who say Armitage outed Plame to columnist Robert Novak and journalist Bob Woodward in July of 2003. Armitage apparently admitted his action as early as three months later to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell. Plame is apparently considering bringing Armitage to court for leaking her identity to the press.

Evolutionary Biology Absent From List of Federal Study Grants
In education news, the New York Times is reporting evolutionary biology is no longer listed as an acceptable field of study for low-income recipients of federal study grants. The omission would mean students studying evolutionary biology could not receive federal money without declaring another major. That is causing concern among scientists who say their field is under attack from opponents of evolutionary theory. A government spokesperson said the omission was unintentional and will be corrected.

Nuremberg Prosecutor: Bush, Hussein Should Be Tried For War Crimes
And finally, a chief prosecutor of Nazi war crimes at Nuremberg has said President Bush should be tried for war crimes. Benjamin Ferencz, who secured convictions for 22 Nazi officers involved in the killings of more than one million people, told OneWorld.Net both President Bush and Saddam Hussein should be tried for starting "aggressive" wars -- Saddam for his 1990 attack on Kuwait and Bush for his invasion of Iraq thirteen years later.

Posted by: Jeanne at August 28, 2006 02:02 PM

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Also on Democracy Now

A new Palast report on Katrina.

IEM SECURITY GUARD: Security has been called. We ask that you please leave the building now.

GREG PALAST: So, quickly, before security gets here, I just want to tell you that this is Innovative Emergency Management, and it's very innovative not to have a plan to manage an emergency.

I decided to look for someone with a little more experience in hurricane evacuation. LSU, Louisiana State University, they're just down the street from IEM. LSU has one hellacious football team. They also have the best team of hurricane experts in the nation. I met with Dr. Ivor van Heerden, deputy director of the universityճ elaborate Center for the Study of Hurricanes. I asked this renowned specialist about the reputation of IEM, prior to their getting the half-million-dollar evacuation exercise contract.

DR. IVOR VAN HEERDEN: I hadnմ heard of them prior to this exercise, no.

GREG PALAST: The LSU scientist already had an evacuation model, but IEM and FEMA refused to use it.

DR. IVOR VAN HEERDEN: We had the science. We had really studied this thing. We knew what was going to go wrong. We had an enormous amount of information, right down to mapping where the gas tanks were and pipelines. Science was basically ignored all the way through the process.

GREG PALAST: The LSU professors warned, for example, that the IEM plan simply made no provision for people -- the old, the sick -- who couldn't escape in a car. I asked him the consequences of this oversight.

DR. IVOR VAN HEERDEN: Well, you know, 1,500 of them drowned. That's the bottom line.

GREG PALAST: Then the professor surprised me by saying that giving us this information put his job at risk.

DR. IVOR VAN HEERDEN: I wasn't going to let them -- let those sort of threats shut me down or any of the other sorts of nonsense that went on, because it was so important that we get out what had gone wrong and why.

GREG PALAST: Apparently, the heat from the university originated with a state official, who now works for IEM.

DR. IVOR VAN HEERDEN: We got a phone call from somebody in the state government who actually now works for IEM. But, I donմ think that was his plan at the time. And he jumped all over me and said, by criticizing their work, I was putting the whole exercise in jeopardy, and if I did it again, I would be banned.

GREG PALAST: Back in New Orleans, former city councilman, Brod Bagert, a lawyer, standing in the gutted wreckage of his own home, did not think kindly of the concealment of van Heerdenճ warnings.

BROD BAGERT: Ongoing protection that should have been occurring was done -- it was done negligently. Not only wrong, negligently. And not only negligently, but reckless negligence, the kind of negligence for which an individual would be indicted, prosecuted, tried, convicted, and spend their life in jail. Negligence that killed people, lots of people. Reckless negligence that killed human beings. Old ladies watched the water come up to their nose, over their eyes, and they drowned in houses just like this in this neighborhood, because of reckless negligence thatճ unanswered for.

GREG PALAST: So now, weնe discovered why there was no real plan of escape. But that leaves the question: why did the water flood the city? People drowned. The city drowned.

BROD BAGERT: Destroyed house, destroyed house, destroyed house, destroyed house, destroyed house. Every single house on every single block. Mile after mile after mile of residential urban neighborhoods are completely destroyed and remain destroyed.
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BTW IEM was a big supporter of Bush.


Posted by: Jeanne at August 28, 2006 02:11 PM

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David,

May I ask that when you post an update, could you clarify whether you are reporting that, when Novak asked Rove about Wilson's wife, he used the name "Valerie Wilson," as you appear to suggest in your previous post. There have been various reports that Rove learned Wilson's wife's name from Novak. But I would be very interested to know whether you have learned not just whether that is the case, but specifically whether Rove learned "Valerie Wilson" or "Valerie Plame" from Novak. Thanks.

Posted by: Jeff at August 28, 2006 02:27 PM

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Excellent forum on AIPAC and the Israeli lobby in general on C-span today. Try to catch it hopefully they will replay it.

Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 02:41 PM

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The Lies of the Leadership:

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."
- Dick Cheney, August 26 2002

"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."
- George W. Bush, September 12 2002

"If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world."
- Ari Fleischer, December 2 2002

"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."
- Ari Fleischer, January 9 2003

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."
- George W. Bush, State of the Union address, January 28 2003

"We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more."
- Colin Powell, February 5 2003

"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons."
- George Bush, February 8 2003

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
- George Bush, March 17 2003

"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes."
- Ari Fleischer, March 21 2003

"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them."
- Gen. Tommy Franks, March 22 2003

"We know where they are. Theyղe in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
- Donald Rumsfeld, March 30 2003.

"Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases."
- Bush in October 2002.

"Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda."
- Bush in January 2003 State of the Union address.

"Iraq has also provided Al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training."
- Bush in February 2003.

"ɠsinister nexus between Iraq and the Al-Qaeda terrorist network."
Powell in his U.N. speech prior to the Iraq War.

"We have removed an ally of Al Qaeda."
Bush in May 2003.

Stated that the Iraqis were "providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the Al Qaeda organization."
- Cheney in September 2003.

"Saddam had an established relationship with Al Qaeda, providing training to Al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons, gases, making conventional weapons."
- Cheney in October 2003.

Cheney said Saddam "had long established ties with Al Qaeda."
- June 14, 2004.

Bush said, "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and Al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda."
- June 17, 2004.

Posted by: Erling Krange at August 28, 2006 02:52 PM

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Micki --- Found the link and it worked. Thanks.

Posted by: David B. Benson at August 28, 2006 03:03 PM

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Israeli President Under Fire in Harrassment Probe
All Things Considered, August 24, 2006 Israeli police are questioning President Moshe Katzav about allegations of sexual harassment of a female employee in his office. Katzav denies the charge and others leveled against him, and he is resisting demands that he resign or take a leave of absence while the investigation continues.

A woman in Katzav's office, known only by her initial A., says Katzav exploited his power as her employer to force her to have sex with him. Since the original allegations, two other female employees have come forward with similar complaints. One of the women charges Katzav also accepted bribes for issuing pardons.

Katzav has denied all of the allegations and accused A. of attempting to blackmail him.

Katzav is not the only senior Israeli official under fire at present. Earlier this week, Justice Minister Haim Ramon resigned after being indicted for indecent assault. And Israel's chief of staff has come under criticism for selling a stock portfolio hours before the war in Lebanon began.

In addition, the head of parliament's foreign affairs and defense committee is being investigated for placing cronies in senior government positions. And police are also looking into whether Prime Minister Ehud Olmert received a hefty discount on the price of an apartment in Jerusalem in exchange for loosening zoning regulations.

The allegations against the President Katzav come as Olmert's government faces mounting criticism over its handling of the war against Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.

Olmert is under growing pressure to appoint a state commission of inquiry that would have the power to dismiss both political and military officials.

The story includes an audio link.

Posted by: eyes_open at August 28, 2006 03:04 PM

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Erling, with all those blatantly obvious lies, we Americans still cannot get beyond Plamegate.

Oh wait yes we can, lets obsess about Jonbenet for a couple of weeks.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice could all stand buck naked on stage in front of 10,000 people and fornicate with each other and STILL, Americans would ignore it and go back to their Jonbenet fixation.

Through the handiwork of one administration we have trashed our reputation in the world, and here.

Posted by: DEN at August 28, 2006 03:17 PM

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These guys all need adult diapers.

Libby,Rove,Armitage are all leakers. Ari Fleisher ..STephen Hadley ( we have yet to have this confirmed)

What I am wondering is how will this latest outing of Armitage(by Corn and Isikoff) be used to provide cover for the other folks who have wet spots on their pants?

Does it matter who leaked first? "When a firing squad is assembled to execute amomeone does anyone care whose bullet hit first?"

Let's just hope through Fitzgerald's investigation the guy with the biggest piss stain on his britches gets flipped. CHENEY

Posted by: kathleen at August 28, 2006 03:27 PM

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Will folks like David Wurmser and John Hannah (I have read have talked their heads off to Fitzgerald )get "stay out of jail cards) for their parts in Plames outing?

Posted by: kathleen at August 28, 2006 03:36 PM

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From #26
Olmert is under growing pressure to appoint a state commission of inquiry that would have the power to dismiss both political and military officials.
First we hear about the taped meetings, now this. Why do the Isrealis seem to have so much more accountablility than our own leaders? Operation Litani Water Grab is looking like little more than a distraction tactic from the problems of the Olmert government.

Posted by: eyes_open at August 28, 2006 03:40 PM

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I'm not holding my breath for fitzy. O'Reilly, Kathleen and I have been ranting against AIPAC and the Zionist, neocon govt. of Israel until we're blue in the face, all we get for our trouble is being smeared as jew haters and anti-semites by people of both left and right persuasions. We have posted dozens and dozens of articles but are called unbalanced. I am glad that CSPAN is taking on this subject since the vast majority of Americans are sorely misinformed about the behavior of Israel's leaders and the horrible consequences for the US and the entire middle east, it is SO much easier to simply write it all off as the fault of Arab terrorists, but it is very old news to me, thanks for the heads up though.

Posted by: Saladin at August 28, 2006 03:41 PM

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Factless made a funny:
It's always good to see you have the time to go back over numerous of my posts..."

* set the timer
* scroll up to the calendar on the upper left hand side of Mr. Corn's web site
* your quote as copied by Happy and others has the date and time stamp telling you when it was posted.
* It is dated on the 13th.
* Click on the 13 on the calendar.
* press ctrl-F and enter the name Factchecker (sic).
* click the "find next" button 4 times. It took me less than 45 seconds to find it. And a couple of minutes to respond.
* I can't help it if I'm smarter than you are. Deal with it.

"...and attempt, in whatever feeble manner, to fatuously dissect my logic. I am flattered; I really am."

Dissecting your logic is like dissecting Bush's brain. There ain't much to work with but I do what I can with what little is presented.

More Funny,
"I have better things to do, like trying to go out and actually solve some of the problems you Communists only complain about."

Red-baiting. You go with the jejune invective you have not the reasoned response you wish you had, eh? Weak. The intellectual laziness of the right rears its ugly head.

"There are those of you who sit in front of computer monitors most of the day ...."

You shouldn't talk about Happy that way. He's paying for Joe Lieberman's going away party.

"Like I said, it is time to start killing large numbers of Islamofascists."

More intellectual laziness. All talk, no reasonable, thought-out plans. Where? When? How? The only mass-gathering of these folks is during the haj, surely you aren't suggesting....?

This was darrling, just darrrling:
"Or were you for Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna in 1836? That's it!! From now on, you are not Pande or Panty or even Pantywaist; you are "Lil' Santa Anna".
Posted by: factless at August 28, 2006 08:11 AM

Given that my forefathers are from Mexico, um, yeah, my family backed Santa Anna. Again, could you be dumber, Factless? Are you suggesting that I should have cheered the enemy of my family and country? What kinda treacherous, terrorist-loving yahoo have you turned into, dude?

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 03:47 PM

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Some replies to Hankmeister from the other thread...

"Unbelievable how radicalized liberals continue drinking your poisoned kool-aid and its little wonder that the lamestream media..."

Etc, etc, etc. Andrew Sullivan would give this his Michelle Malkin Award for setnences that contain unoriginal, abusive cliches, assuming reader agreement.

"Now that someone as non-partisan as Armitage is being fingered (many conservatives postulated it was him within months of this moronic left-wing media kerfuffle), the question remains, who will the left-wing moonbats demand be frogged marched out of ...."

I think you'll find that David Corn deals with this very point at considerable length on this website.

"...well Armitage certainly wasn't working in the White House was he? Buwahahahahahaha."

Wow, actual evil villain laughter. And to think you go on to insult people who disagree with you as "moonbats".

"Another faux story blows up in the left's face."

Like the story of preparation for Hurricane Katrina? Or the story of New Orlean's non-reconstruction? Or the story of pre-war Iraq intelligence? Or the story of body armour for American troops? Or the story of Bush's links to Ken Lay? Or the story of the President's misleading claims about Social Security?

"phauxtography scandals fanned by Reuters to make it appear that the Israelis were targeting innocent Lebanese civilians."

The scandal that involved making plumes of smoke in Beiruit look slightly different with Photoshop? That scandal? Have you seen the altered photograph compared to the original - they are virtually identical. And the bombing of Beiruit therein was hardly a fabrication unless you wish to argue Reuters also destroyed large districts of the Lebanese capital just to make Ehud Olemrt look bad.

For an account of IDF bombing of Lebanese civilians see Human Rights Watch's in-depth report. And think carefully before wdismissing suffering you were fortunate not to live through yourself.

Fatal Strikes: Israel's Indiscriminate attacks Against Civilians in Lebanon

Before anyone pretends otherwise, HRW research also describes Hizbollah war crimes.

"And what's even more hilarious is the radical left has been so conditioned by the lies which pass for "news" at the DailyKos, democraticunderground.com, moveon.org and blogsites like this that they actually believe the lamestream media is "right-wing"."

Again, another round of cliched, thoughtless abuse.

But at least you bothered to provide some evidence this time, a UCLA study which found a liberal bias in the media. Kudos to you.

However, a reading of the report suggest that this conclusion - which i think is quite wrong - is provided by this definition of "bias":

"Before proceeding, it is useful to clarify our definition of bias. Most important, the definition has nothing to do with the honesty or accuracy of the news outlet. Instead, our notion is more like a taste or preference. ...In contrast, other writers, at least at times, do define bias as a matter of accuracy or honesty. We emphasize that our differences with such writers are ones of semantics, not substance."

I completely disagree with this notion of "bias", and the authors acknowledge that there is disagreement on this.

In my view media bias should be measured only be the closeness to or distance from a report and the actual, discernable facts.

So for instance, one evidence of bias offered in the report is that some news outlets were more likely to have "negative" headlines if the president was a Republican. But that would only be evidence of real bias if recent Republican presidents had a better economic or equal economic president to their Democratic counterparts. An attempt to measure negative or positive stories independent of real-world facts, as though an unbiased news outlet is supposed to deal an equal amount to each regardless of the facts, makes no sense.

And i doubt you would be able to defend such a definition of bias.

The fact that the report you cite actually found the Drudge Report to be left-leaning and Fox News more centrist than other TV news outlets indicates its serious flaws.

"Look at the fratricide you people are committing against mainstream Democrats like Joe Lieberman."

There are so many errors in that statement it is hard to know where to begin.

First, Ned Lamont's opposition to the Iraq War is a majority opinion in the United States of America.

Second, Democrats in Connecticut are entitled to de-select a candidate who does not represent their concerns without people pretending they are engaged in an act of blood-letting.

Third, Lieberman is not a mainstream Democrat - he is on the right-wing of the spectrum, hence his ability to work so closely with an unusually reactionary president.

You are aware, i presume that the conservative movement acts to de-select Republican candidates in favour of those who closer reflect their politics? Furthermore, people (like me) can disagree strongly with them without accusing them of fratricide like an hysteric.

"I thank God every day..."

If God matters to you, i feel obliged to point out that, as a Christian, that Jesus of Nazareth would not endorse misrepresenting opponents, insulting people viciously for no reason or the bombing of Lebanon. And that a commitment to peace, social justice, truthfulness and the marginalised are an important part of the Gospels. None of us are perfect, and certainly not me, but check out your conscience.

Posted by: Alex Higgins at August 28, 2006 03:49 PM

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Thumb on the pulse of America, Raw Story reports Karr's DNA NO MATCH!

Now can we get on to more pressing matters? IMPEACH BUSH and HIS GANG NOW!!!!

Posted by: DEN at August 28, 2006 03:52 PM

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Sal,
Distinguishing between Judaism and Zionism, the fact that Arabs are technically more semite than the Isreali Jews, and that the term "islamo-fascist" is a missnomer are concepts that some simply can't process. You might as well ask them how many zeros are in the number infinity.

Posted by: eyes_open at August 28, 2006 03:52 PM

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#31 Saladin...ignore people who throw out the "anti-semite" card when you question the actions of the Israeli government or the Israeli lobby in this country.

C-span has been blowing open on this issue of Israel's influence on U.s. foreign policy for the last two years. The questions being asked and the information being quoted is far greater and more accurate than ever before.

Keep pushing the facts. If the Aipac case goes to trial this fall the disproportionate amount of influence that Israel has in the U.s. will be severely effected. Keep with the facts and keep pushing Saladin.

Posted by: kathleen at August 28, 2006 04:03 PM

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Congressional Election Nullified, Nobody Noticed Friday, 25 August 2006, 10:45 pm Article: Michael Collins


It appears the US media overlooked one of the great political stories of the year. In what is becoming something of a pattern, here�s a brief chronology: On June 6, 2006 Republican Brian Bilbray allegedly slightly outpolled Democrat Francine Busby in the special election for California�s 50th Congressional District, despite Busby�s lead in the polls going into the election. There were immediate cries of foul following the election due to major irregularities, including electronic voting machines sent out to the homes and cars of volunteers for up to 12 days prior to the election, and irregular election results like huge mega-precincts of absentee ballots where turnout was thousands of percent more than registered voters. On June 13, 2006, Bilbray flew to Washington, DC and was sworn in as a member of the United States House of Representatives by House Speaker Dennis Hastert. On or about June 30, 2006, 17 days after Bilbray was sworn in as a member of the House, Mikel Haas, Registrar of San Diego County, officially completed the audit of election results required for certification, and officially certified the election of Bilbray over Busby based on 163,931 votes cast, of which 2,053 votes were said to be cast on Diebold TSX touchscreens, and the remainder scanned via Diebold Accuvote OS computers. Story here
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New and improved ways to rip off elections.

Posted by: Saladin at August 28, 2006 04:08 PM

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voter turnout was thousands of percent more than registered voters.

move along! nothing to see here! business as usual.

Posted by: spy on this! at August 28, 2006 04:14 PM

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Congressional Election Nullified, Nobody Noticed Friday, 25 August 2006, 10:45 pm Article: Michael Collins


It appears the US media overlooked one of the great political stories of the year. In what is becoming something of a pattern, here's a brief chronology: On June 6, 2006 Republican Brian Bilbray allegedly slightly outpolled Democrat Francine Busby in the special election for California�s 50th Congressional District, despite Busby�s lead in the polls going into the election. There were immediate cries of foul following the election due to major irregularities, including electronic voting machines sent out to the homes and cars of volunteers for up to 12 days prior to the election, and irregular election results like huge mega-precincts of absentee ballots where turnout was thousands of percent more than registered voters. On June 13, 2006, Bilbray flew to Washington, DC and was sworn in as a member of the United States House of Representatives by House Speaker Dennis Hastert. On or about June 30, 2006, 17 days after Bilbray was sworn in as a member of the House, Mikel Haas, Registrar of San Diego County, officially completed the audit of election results required for certification, and officially certified the election of Bilbray over Busby based on 163,931 votes cast, of which 2,053 votes were said to be cast on Diebold TSX touchscreens, and the remainder scanned via Diebold Accuvote OS computers. Story here
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New and improved ways to rip off elections.

Posted by: Saladin at August 28, 2006 04:14 PM

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sorry about the double post, we are trying out Firefox and I am not very thrilled with it! Eyes, the facts you've mentioned are so easy to verify, people just don't want to know, their racial hatred towards the Arab people needs some kind of justification regardless of how wrong it is. Kathleen, I don't care about the smearing, I was just pointing out that ignorance cannot be enlightened when all there is are rude comments in response to facts. Good luck CSPAN in educating the masses.

Posted by: Saladin at August 28, 2006 04:23 PM

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The Bush administration are experts at undermining the UN.....Iran dismisses U.S. threat of sanctions coalition

By Hossein Jasseb
Reuters
Monday, August 28, 2006; 12:37 PM

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran said on Monday a U.S. threat to form an independent coalition to impose sanctions if the U.N. Security Council failed to act over Tehran's nuclear program was an insult to the world body.

The Los Angeles Times said on Saturday the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, had indicated Washington was prepared to act independently with close allies to freeze Iranian assets and restrict trade if the council did not do so.

Washington has previously called for a swift response if Iran does not heed the Security Council's Thursday deadline to halt uranium enrichment, a process that can make fuel for reactors or material for warheads.

"These remarks (by Bolton) are an obvious insult to the Security Council," Iranian government spokesman Gholamhossein Elham told a weekly news conference. "These remarks are just bullying and baseless remarks and show that they (the U.S.) are not competent to be a member of the Security Council."

The Los Angeles Times said Washington planned to introduce a resolution imposing penalties soon after the August 31 deadline if the Islamic Republic's position did not change.

Analysts say opposition from veto-wielding powers Russia and China, big trade partners of Iran who see no imminent threat to peace from Tehran's nuclear program, could delay any move.

Iran has shown no sign it will halt enrichment, a process

At Raw story/Washington post

Posted by: kathleen at August 28, 2006 04:27 PM

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"Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
-- Hermann Goering
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we were told that we were attacked on 9/11 but things were not what we were led to believe.
will we be attacked again only this time told that it's by iran? i predict yes.
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Posted by: spy on this! at August 28, 2006 04:27 PM

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The Bush administration are experts at undermining the UN.....Iran dismisses U.S. threat of sanctions coalition

By Hossein Jasseb
Reuters
Monday, August 28, 2006; 12:37 PM

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran said on Monday a U.S. threat to form an independent coalition to impose sanctions if the U.N. Security Council failed to act over Tehran's nuclear program was an insult to the world body.

The Los Angeles Times said on Saturday the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, had indicated Washington was prepared to act independently with close allies to freeze Iranian assets and restrict trade if the council did not do so.

Washington has previously called for a swift response if Iran does not heed the Security Council's Thursday deadline to halt uranium enrichment, a process that can make fuel for reactors or material for warheads.

"These remarks (by Bolton) are an obvious insult to the Security Council," Iranian government spokesman Gholamhossein Elham told a weekly news conference. "These remarks are just bullying and baseless remarks and show that they (the U.S.) are not competent to be a member of the Security Council."

The Los Angeles Times said Washington planned to introduce a resolution imposing penalties soon after the August 31 deadline if the Islamic Republic's position did not change.

Analysts say opposition from veto-wielding powers Russia and China, big trade partners of Iran who see no imminent threat to peace from Tehran's nuclear program, could delay any move.

Iran has shown no sign it will halt enrichment, a process

At Raw story/Washington post

Posted by: kathleen at August 28, 2006 04:28 PM

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Saladin,

I believe this is the paper they where discussing on C-Span today AIPAC Lobby,but they also talked quite a bit about the recent fighting in Lebanon.

Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 04:41 PM

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#16, Erling sums up war very well!

#23, Erling, great quotes!!!

Posted by: Gerald at August 28, 2006 04:48 PM

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Today Tompaine.com has two articles, in the bottom section, related to global warming matters.

Posted by: David B. Benson at August 28, 2006 04:52 PM

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This has nothing to do with any topics being discussed here but I was just wondering: While watching the "news" today they ran a small update story (in between the constant Jon Benat crap) on the plane crash in Kentucky this weekend (48 dead 1 survivor). The media is assuming that possibly the pilot took the wrong runway. Now thats a story. It made me think: everywhere you go now-a-days there is a surveillance camera, stop lights, freeways, ATM machines, street corners, shopping malls, etc, you get the idea. Why don't they have cameras on Airport runways? It seems to me that would be beneficial for explaining accidents? We had a plane slide off the runway here in Chicago last winter, and as usual the Airlines claim no responsibility. It seems surveillance is allowed everywhere, why not on an Airport runway? Maybe the Airline lobby?

Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 04:53 PM

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American Soldiers

2,956 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his lies.

Posted by: Gerald at August 28, 2006 04:53 PM

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uncledad --- Your suggestion seems reasonable. Convince the FAA or get your congresspersons to do so...

Posted by: David B. Benson at August 28, 2006 05:03 PM

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Hey, LBH, it comes with the turf. General Rove is guilty of many shenanigans, some illegal, some immoral, some unethical.

He's a public figure. Deal with it.

Micki

So is Corn and when he lies and gets caught, you need to deal with it.

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 05:06 PM

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Matt Laurer introduces Isikoff as the author of Hubris and doesn't even mention Corn.

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 12:54 PM

LBH, you get your news from NBC's Today Show? It's time for you to find another source and that includes Fox Faux.


Happy

Dude, Fox doesn't do Fiction reviews!!!!! Get a clue!!!!

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 05:07 PM

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The Islamic Way of War

WAR IS OUTMODED. ONLY IMMATURE AND STUPID PEOPLE CHOOSE WAR OVER PEACE.

In the Middle East and more broadly in our relations with the Islamic world, we face difficult and dangerous problems, more than a few of them problems to which we ourselves have contributed. Those problems will become more daunting still, for us and for Israel, should a nation like Iran succeed in acquiring nuclear weapons. But as events in Iraq and now in southern Lebanon make clear, reliance on the sword alone will not provide a solution to those problems. We must be strong and we must be vigilant. But we also need to be smart, and getting smart means ending our infatuation with war and rediscovering the possibilities of politics.

_________________________________________

BE CALM, BE COOL, BE COLLECTED, WHY NOT NEGOTIATE FOR PEACE AGAINST WAR!

The be calm, be cool, be collected reminds me of cheerleaders at a basketball game cheering on the team to victory.

Posted by: Gerald at August 28, 2006 05:10 PM

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Happy

Dude, Fox doesn't do Fiction reviews!!!!! Get a clue!!!!


HAHA thats good. LBH wouldn't know a clue if it hit him in the face.

Posted by: LBH is a moron at August 28, 2006 05:12 PM

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It seems surveillance is allowed everywhere, why not on an Airport runway?

Uncledad, the article I read said the pilot and ground controller have a checklist they go through after he turned onto the 'correct' runway and before taking off. They said it was still dark, but they must not have went through that checklist. Mainly because the short runway is "daylight only" and for general aviation planes like small Cessnas and such. Sounds to me like the pilot made a serious error on where he turned, and the ground controller made one just as bad for not verifying.

Posted by: Alan at August 28, 2006 05:13 PM

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The answer is Yes!

So which is the bigger threat to peace: A state that might or might not have nuclear weapon ambitions with no record of genocide (Iran) or a state that is known to have both nuclear weapons and a long record of genocide (Israel)?

I guess that Nazi Germany and Nazi America taught Nazi Israel very well!!!

Posted by: Gerald at August 28, 2006 05:17 PM

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So Armitage is the leaker!

This is the big block buster discovery in Hubris by Corn and Isikoff?

Borrrrrrring!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I take it back, not interested in buying the book. Not even if Panty does buy all us neo-cons a copy to support Corn.

No wonder Jon Bonet's killer is front page news.

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 05:18 PM

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Today on TomDispatch, guest Ann Jones describes just how bad affairs are in Afghanistan and her take on how they got that way...

Posted by: David B. Benson at August 28, 2006 05:23 PM

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"You might as well ask them how many zeros are in the number infinity."

I think it's a Brazilian?


capt

Posted by: capt at August 28, 2006 05:28 PM

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HAHA thats good. LBH wouldn't know a clue if it hit him in the face.

Clue this CornPuppet ~~

Corn just proved that Plame wasn't leaked by BushCo. Corn proves that Plame was outed by a big mouth gossip hound that didn't realize what he was doing. Fitzty after investigating, agrees with Corn. Nothing more, now move along!!

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 05:28 PM

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LBH,
That's not the real Happy who is posting.

Santa Anna,
Yeah, super logic. Some of my relatives were from England, so I shouldn't have rooted against Cornwallis!! What an ultramaroon!!

And, once again, thank you for the earnest - but pitiful - attempt to interpret my logic. People try to interpret Spinoza and Descartes all the time, also. But you flatter me; you really do. Your sophomoric posts, however, are simply not worthy of the reciprocal effort.

Posted by: factchecker at August 28, 2006 05:30 PM

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I just tried the 'speed test' again. Cable definitely varies because I was a lil' faster today.

Download Speed: 2037 kbps (254.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 334 kbps (41.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

Posted by: Alan at August 28, 2006 05:35 PM

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Yes, there is a civil war

A Threat That Tops Insurgency

Rebel attacks continue to menace the U.S.-led forces in Iraq. But the main focus has shifted to the violence between Shiites and Sunnis.
By Jeffrey Fleishman

STOP THE BS AND ADMIT THAT IRAQ IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A CIVIL WAR!!!!!


Posted by: Gerald at August 28, 2006 05:35 PM

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Alan,
If I heard the radio report correctly the runways had recently been re-routed and the paint overlaps at some point causing confusion.

Posted by: eyes_open at August 28, 2006 05:36 PM

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I detect corn flakes again...

Posted by: David B. Benson at August 28, 2006 05:36 PM

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54 Happy
Dude, Fox doesn't do Fiction reviews!!!!! Get a clue!!!!

HAHA thats good. LBH wouldn't know a clue if it hit him in the face.

Posted by: LBH is a moron at August 28, 2006 05:12 PM

= = = =
factchecker, thats not the real LBH

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 05:36 PM

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Hey Sal,

The Islamic nut jobs in Gaza made the Fox reporters convert to Islam or be executed. When's the last time the Zionist Jews made anyone convert by threat of execution?

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 05:40 PM

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And, once again, thank you for the earnest - but pitiful - attempt to interpret my logic. People try to interpret Spinoza and Descartes all the time, also.
Posted by: factchecker at August 28, 2006 05:30 PM

All the greats including Spinoza, Decartes and factchecker. factchcker is well known as the philosopher who never let his opinion get in the way of facts, which he never spent any time checking.

Signed,
The "Real" Happy

PS. While you're in there, can you see if that's a polop in LBH's colon. (Get it? Your head up his ass.)

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 05:42 PM

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It seems the "media" has lost the "big" story.
Oh well back to the Iaq war

Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 05:43 PM

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SmirkingChimp.com has many great articles for August 28, 2006.

David Corn's article on Hubris is on the SmirkingChimp roll!

I need to study a possible addition to my fox list and possibly round it out to 20?

Posted by: Gerald at August 28, 2006 05:45 PM

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LBH, What does Matt Lauer report about the prospects of civil war in Iraq? Bwaaaa Haaaa. Never mind. Change the channel. What does Bill O'Reilly say about the prospects of an enduring pro-american democracy in Iraq? Bwaaaa Haaaa. Never mind. You're running out of channels. Try this channel www.whitehouse.gov Bwaaa Haaaa.

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 05:46 PM

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So my question is: Who told Judy Miller and when?

Posted by: the Fly-Man at August 28, 2006 05:51 PM

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Factchecker

No worries, I wouldn't link the real happy to this spoofin retard. The imposter has the characteristics of Panty who now likes to spoof others or one of his bitches, like Satans little humper! They all sound the same anyway!!

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 05:51 PM

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#67 LBH,

I believe something like 1,100 civilians were murdered recently by the IDF. What was their crime?
cluster bombs

Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 05:52 PM

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No wonder Jon Bonet's killer is front page news.
Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 05:18 PM

There are millions of people in this country who, like you, are bored with new and prefer sensational stories like the JonBenet (one word) Ramsey story. Knock yourself out. They do a two-hour special on JonBenet Ramsey on Fox tonight - you won't even have to change the channel.

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 05:52 PM

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LBH, What does Matt Lauer report about the prospects of civil war in Iraq?

He reports that Corn is a nobody, not even a co-author of a lame book that discloses an already know disclosed source.

Prospects of civil war in Iraq you ask?

He reports that the civil war within the Democratic party between lame ass liberals and moderates is much more of a threat to society than any civil war in Iraq. Only if the liberals win, that is!!!! Fat chance~~ha ha!!!

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 05:57 PM

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72 Libby met with Judy Miller twice, once over breakfast. He told her that Wilson's wife Plame, who works at the CIA had somthing to do with getting Wilson the Niger assignment. He also shared with her SELECT parts of the partially declassified NIE before it was de-classified by the normal process. He shared parts of the NIE that were specifically discredited in the NIE as if there were credible and substantiated concerns, Uranium from Niger, mobile weapons labs, etc.

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 06:00 PM

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There are millions of people in this country who, like you, are bored with new and prefer sensational stories like the JonBenet (one word) Ramsey story. Knock yourself out. They do a two-hour special on JonBenet Ramsey on Fox tonight - you won't even have to change the channel.


I don't waste my money on cable. Haven't you heard? Big corporations (cable tv) are evil!


Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 06:01 PM

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76 LBH, What does Matt Lauer report about the prospects of civil war in Iraq?

He reports that Corn is a nobody, not even a co-author of a lame book

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 05:57 PM

That's not true. Corn and Isakoff wrote the book. Lauer is a liar. Corn speaks the truth.

You wouldn't know because you don't read. Bwaaa Haaa.

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 06:05 PM

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77 I wonder is it was Libby feeding Miller the stories about Iraq WMD pre-war. . . . you know before the Shock and Awe.

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 06:08 PM

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Uncledad

You call using cluster bombs murder, but so far only liberals and Islamic maniacs are in agreement on that one. I suggest Hezbollah not provoke a sovereign country to attack or they may get more than a cluster bomb.

You still haven't answered why the Fox reporters were made to choose between converting or beheading. Were the Fox reporters dropping cluster bombs on anyone? Do you support converting all westerners to Islam or death? Why?

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 06:09 PM

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As the conservatives cry in their milkshakes, we get to nuke the popcorn, kick up our feet and watch the show. Much like Happy, the GOP is running itself into the ground in lost races. While Ford, Webb, Tester, and Brown have crept ahead of their Republican opponents, the NRSC is putting all of its eggs in a busted basked (Chafee):

(via Daily Kos) Not only is the cash-strapped NRSC spending millions running racist ads against fellow Republican Stephen Laffey in an effort to rescue the flailing incumbent Lincoln Chafee (R), but they are sending all the bodies they can as well:
"Democrats were right in 2004: the Republicans have adopted a draft. It only applies, however, to party workers employed by state victory committees in the east of the Mississippi. For many it will be worse than boot camp. They are to be sent to Rhode Island to try to rescue Republican Sen. Lincoln Chafee's re-election campaign in the September 12th primary."
"Workers start arriving Friday and will be charged with sorting out the mess that Washington operatives believe is the Chafee campaign. First task may be to get Republican voters to forget Chafee's erratic performance in the last two of the four broadcast debates between the incumbent and his lively challenger, Cranston mayor Stephen Laffey."
"Scores of GOP workers will begin arriving this week and stay through the open primary as they search for and then try to persuade some of the 70,000 registered Republicans and several hundred thousand independent voters eligible to participate in the open primary to support Chaffee. Draftees, many of whom may be more compatible with Laffey, will be paid by their home-state committees. Food and lodging expenses will be picked up by Republican National Committee."

Every major member of the Conservative Punditburo has given up on Chafee. Good thing Liddy Dole hasn't. Let Burns, DeWine, Talent, Santorum, and Allen go down in flames, just to save a RINO like Chafee. Genius, I say! Did I mention, if at all possible, Republicans should give to Joe? Give till I die laughing!

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 06:10 PM

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Uncledad

You are aware of the fact that these same Islamic maniacs don't approve of your music, right?

You would be the first liberal to be beheaded for making evil music and giving your terrorists loving support at the same time. Maybe you could write a song about it before the beheading. You know what they say; a dead artist sells more records/CD's, than a live one.

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 06:13 PM

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How do the conservative chuckleheads at RedState feel about Liddy Dole running Republican Senatorial campaigns into the ground?

(More from DKos) Redstate's Mike Krempasky is already seeing red (pardon the pun) over the NRSC's anti-Laffey spending:

"This is what your money is being spent on - attack ads on behalf of Lincoln Chafee. Give me a break. We're fighting on enough fronts to keep the Senate - and this is what Liddy Dole sees as a priority. No wonder their fundraising is in the tank. If Republicans want to make a real statement about their committment to winning elections, they ought to yank her BEFORE election day. Period."

Krempasky wrote that before the NRSC redirected half of their national staff to Rhode Island. I'm sure he'll be particularly pleased at that bit of news.

When Ken Melman decides he's had enough, I recommend that the GOP hire Mrs. Dole to head the RNC. She's doing a heckuva job in her current position!!

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 06:16 PM

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Kathleen, Iran is breaking no laws by enriching uranium to fuel a nuclear power plant, they have signed the NPT as have we, though Israel refuses to sign or allow any inspections of their facility. How this situation got so turned around so that the country that signs is the bad guy and the one that refuses is the victim is beyond me. Trying to force them to stop enrichment is a violation of the treaty which states the following:

From Wiki

The treaty is often summarised as having three pillars: non-proliferation, disarmament, and the right to peacefully use nuclear technology.

Third pillar: the right to peacefully use nuclear technology

Since very few of the nuclear weapons states and states using nuclear reactions for energy generation are willing to completely abandon possession of nuclear fuel, the third pillar of the NPT provides other states with the possibility to do the same, but under conditions intended to make it difficult to develop nuclear weapons. For some states, this third pillar of the NPT, which allows uranium enrichment for fuel reasons, seems to be a major loophole. However, the treaty gives every state the inalienable right to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, and as the commercially popular light water reactor nuclear power station designs use enriched uranium fuel, it follows that states must be allowed to enrich uranium or purchase it on an international market. Peaceful uranium enrichment can arguably be considered a small step away from developing nuclear warheads, and this can be done by withdrawing from the NPT. No state is known to have successfully constructed a nuclear weapon in secret while subjected to NPT inspection. However, North Korea which was caught violating the NPT admitted it had constructed nuclear weapons within 3 months after it withdrew from the NPT. Countries that have signed the treaty as Non-Nuclear Weapons States and maintained that status have an unbroken record of not building nuclear weapons. In some regions, the fact that all neighbors are verifiably free of nuclear weapons reduces any pressure individual states might feel to build those weapons themselves, even if neighbors are known to have peaceful nuclear energy programs that might otherwise be suspicious. In this, the treaty works as designed.

Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the UN's nuclear regulatory body, has said that if they wanted to, forty countries could develop nuclear bombs.

Main article:
Iran's nuclear programs

Iran is a signatory state of the NPT and has recently (as of 2006) resumed development of a uranium enrichment program. This enrichment program is a step towards a civilian nuclear energy program, which is allowed under the terms of the NPT. However, the United States and the European Union accuse Iran of using this program to help covertly develop nuclear weapons, in violation of the NPT. Iran remains under investigation by the International Atomic Energy Agency, who have presented no concrete evidence of a nuclear weapons program.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a fatwa forbidding the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons on August 9, 2005. The full text of the fatwa was released in an official statement at the meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna.
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bush said Iraq had reconstituted it's nuclear program, that was a blatant lie, how can anyone believe this same lie directed at Iran?

Posted by: Saladin at August 28, 2006 06:18 PM

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The name of the newest fox is ANN JONES. She speaks up for people, especially women, whose voices are hard to hear. There are now twenty foxes. Welcome Ann!!!

Posted by: Gerald at August 28, 2006 06:27 PM

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LBH
"You still haven't answered why the Fox reporters were made to choose between converting or beheading. Were the Fox reporters dropping cluster bombs on anyone? Do you support converting all westerners to Islam or death? Why?"

I didn't know you posed that question to me. I don't support any religious extremists, Islam, Jews, Or Christian. Anyone who thinks their religion gives them the right to murder is an extremist.

"You call using cluster bombs murder, but so far only liberals and Islamic maniacs are in agreement on that one. I suggest Hezbollah not provoke a sovereign country to attack or they may get more than a cluster bomb."

Yes I do call it murder. How many border guards have been killed guarding this nations border? border kills
Have we launched a full scale bombing on Mexico. If you can't admit that Israel overreacted and collectively punished an entire nation than I'm afraid there is no point in us having this discussion.

Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 06:27 PM

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If anybody's interested...

The Iceman chills out Babalu in UFC 62: Liddell vs. Sobral

LAS VEGAS (CP) - Chuck (The Iceman) Liddell stopped Renato (Babalu) Sobral with a devastating flurry of blows at 1:35 of the first round Saturday night to retain his light-heavyweight title at UFC 62: Liddell vs. Sobral.

Sobral was advancing on Liddell when he caught a couple of punches to the head. He went down and the champion pounded him from above, until referee (Big) John McCarthy stepped in.

The Brazilian was so dazed that as the champion celebrated, he began wrestling the referee thinking he was Liddell.
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The first time they met, Liddell knocked out Sobral in the first round with a vicious kick to the head in UFC 40: Vendetta in November 2002.

Since losing to Liddell, the Brazilian had won 10 straight to improve his mixed martial arts record to 27-5-0. Saturday's loss was only his second in his last 19 fights.
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Canadian Rob (Maximus) MacDonald lost to Eric Schafer on a first-round stoppage after the American caught the Toronto police officer in a triangle choke. MacDonald's record fell to 4-3-0.

Brazilian lightweight Hermes Franca rallied for a third-round armbar submission over Jamie Varner, French heavyweight Cheick Kongo scored a first-round TKO over Christian Wellisch and welterweight Nick Diaz looked impressive in stopping Jeff Neer with a third-round Kimura.

The crowd included Mike Tyson, Tim Duncan of the San Antonio Spurs and actor Jason Statham.

Posted by: Alan at August 28, 2006 06:28 PM

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#83 LBH,

It is obvious you have had too much KoolAid today.

Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 06:29 PM

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DID I HEAR IT CORRECTLY THAT KARR IS NO LONGER A SUSPECT IN THE JONBENET RAMSEY CASE?

Posted by: Gerald at August 28, 2006 06:30 PM

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Panty Queen should worry about his own back yard before trying to help poor old Chafee


Biden not worried about Southern Dems, because he's from a slave state.

Sun Aug 27, 7:04 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Sen. Joseph Biden (news, bio, voting record) says he can hold his own in a 2008 presidential primary against Democratic contenders from the South, noting that his home state of Delaware was a "slave state."

Biden dismissed the notion that he was a "Northeastern liberal" who would have a poor showing in the South against other likely contenders such as Virginia Gov. Mark Warner and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, the 2004 Democratic vice presidential nominee.

"Better than anybody else," Biden said, when asked on "Fox News Sunday" to rate his chances of winning Southern states.

"You don't know my state," he said. "My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state has the eighth-largest black population in the country. My state is anything from a Northeast liberal state."

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 06:33 PM

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 28th, 2006

ROTHENBERG POLITICAL REPORT SAYS PA10 RACE IS ‘TOSS-UP’

"Clarks Summit, PA-In the August 25th, 2006 edition of the Rothenberg Political Report, A Nonpartisan Analysis of American Politics and Elections, Stuart Rothenberg calls Carney/Sherwood race for the 10th District a 'Toss-up,' which is an upgrade from his previous ranking of 'Lean Republican.'”

"In his analysis, Rothenberg notes that 'Cong. Don Sherwood has had plenty of problems,' and he calls Chris Carney 'an interesting challenger.' He goes on to say that Sherwood’s grip on the District is 'tenuous.' In conclusion, he says that 'This is a very interesting Democratic opportunity and a GOP headache in a very Republican district.'"

Rothenberg divides House races into “toss up,” “lean,” and party “favored” categories. In this latest issue, he noted that the PA-10 race is a Toss-Up that “tilts” Republican, reflecting the make-up of the District.

What will the GOP do now that it can't just dump gobs of money into races and outspend Dems 2 to 1 like they did in the Bilbray-Busby race to eke out their tight races in districts that are Gerrymandered heavily Red? No wonder conservatives like Krempy are sweating the election.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 06:40 PM

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Interview with Mordechai Vanunu

ISRAEL: Vanunu: 'Atomic bomb protects apartheid policy'

From Green Left Weekly, 1 March 2006.

In 1986, Mordechai Vanunu, an engineer at Israel's Dimona nuclear centre, revealed to the London Sunday Times the existence of the secret Israeli nuclear weapons program. He was kidnapped in Italy by Mossad, the Israeli secret service, following his contacts with the British reporters. Before the publication of the article with his revelations, he was tried in secret and jailed for 18 years. Although he is still banned from contacting reporters, last October Vanunu answered Swiss journalist Silvia Cattori's questions in an exclusive interview for Voltaire Network.

What was your job in Israel before the Mossad agents kidnapped you in Rome in October 1986?

I had been working for 19 years in the Dimona weapons research centre in the province of Beer Sheva. Just before I quit that job, in 1986, I took photos of the interior of the factory to show the world that Israel was hiding a nuclear secret. I was in charge of producing radioactive elements for the manufacture of atomic bombs. I knew exactly the amount of fissile material produced, the elements used and the kind of bombs that were being manufactured.

Wasn't it a big risk for you to reveal to the world that your own country had nuclear weapons?

If I decided to do it, it was because Israeli authorities were lying. They constantly said that Israel's political leaders had no intentions of acquiring nuclear weapons. However, they were producing amounts of radioactive substances that could only serve that goal: manufacturing nuclear weapons. They were significant amounts. I calculated that at that time, in 1986, they already had 200 atomic bombs. They had also started to manufacture hydrogen bombs, very powerful ones. So I decided to reveal what they were secretly doing. I also wanted to prevent the Israelis from using atomic bombs and to avoid a nuclear war in the Middle East. I wanted to contribute to peace in the region. Israel, having such extremely powerful weapons, could work for peace. It had no reason to fear a Palestinian or even an Arab threat as it had the necessary weapons to survive.

In what conditions were you judged and incarcerated?

The trial was kept in the most absolute secrecy. I was alone with my lawyer. I was condemned for espionage and high treason. Authorities took revenge by keeping me isolated during the entire trial process. They would not authorise anyone to talk to me and I was banned from speaking to the press, which published a lot of distorted information about me. The Israeli government used all its media influence to brainwash public opinion and the judges, who were finally convinced that I had to be sent to jail. Therefore the trial took place secretly and the press had no access to the truth, they could not hear me. The people were convinced that I was a traitor, a spy, a criminal. There was not an atom of justice in that trial. But it was not only the trial. The cruellest thing was the isolation inside the prison. They did not only punish me by putting me into jail but also by keeping me completely isolated, by constantly spying on me and by applying vicious and cruel treatments. They tried to make me feel in despair and make me regret what I had done. I was held incommunicado for 18 years and I was in complete isolation for 11 years and a half. The first year, they put cameras in my cell and they kept the light on for three consecutive years! Their spies constantly hit me and they would not let me sleep. I was subjected to a very cruel treatment. They tried to break me into submission. My goal was to survive and I made it!
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Israel keeping it's nuclear production a big secret and no one bats an eye. They don't fear any Arab threat, they just don't want them able to have the M.A.D ability. What are they hiding anyway?

Posted by: Saladin at August 28, 2006 06:45 PM

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"Panty Queen should worry about his own back yard before trying to help poor old Chafee"
Posted by: Clueless at August 28, 2006 06:33 PM

Biden is behind in his bid for re-election? LOL. Chafee is. You're just as ignorant as Happy, worrying about races that do nothing to maintain a Republican majority. And I'm not trying to help Chafee. Read for content Clueless. I'm just pointing out that Chafee is dead in the water and Mrs. Dole is wrapping him in precious resources trying to keep him afloat (while at least 6 other Republican candidates go down in flames). It's like you guys WANT the GOP to lose their majority in the Senate. It's no fun if you guys just roll over. WTF?

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 06:46 PM

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Have we launched a full scale bombing on Mexico. If you can't admit that Israel overreacted and collectively punished an entire nation than I'm afraid there is no point in us having this discussion.

Uncledad

Mexico hasn't kidnapped two of our border soldiers and have not launched 3300 rockets into our cities. But if they had, I would have no problem dropping cluster bombs before warning civilians. Heck lets tell the mexicans a couple weeks in advance and then drop a small nuclear bomb on the border to make it a dead zone. Problem solved.

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 06:49 PM

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Well, I would VERY MUCH like the GOPhers to lose their majorities in BOTH houses!

What will happen should such a glorious event come to pass?

Posted by: David B. Benson at August 28, 2006 06:52 PM

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Panty Queen

Hey thanks for all the info on Chafee, big dog. It's about as news worthy as Corns new book disclosing Armitage as the leaker. Who friggin cares, CornPuppet!

The point about Biden is that he's a real racist idiot that just admitted it.

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 06:54 PM

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There is certainly a corn flake which escaped out of the box today...

Posted by: David B. Benson at August 28, 2006 06:56 PM

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What will happen should such a glorious event come to pass?

DB

Absolutely nothing!!! Because the Dems have no ideas- no agenda - no vision for America, other than regaining power.

Heck if they did, we would have heard about it by now with less than 3 months left, right?

Since DB isn't even sure, this must be true!!

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 06:57 PM

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#95, LBH

Get your facts straight. First: Did you look at the site border kills; many border guards have been killed and or kidnapped. Second: Hezbollah never fired a rocket until the Israeli air campaign had begun. I don't condone either Hezbollah or the IDF; they are both murderers in this instance.

Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 06:58 PM

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Chuckles from Factless:
"Yeah, super logic. Some of my relatives were from England, so I shouldn't have rooted against Cornwallis!! What an ultramaroon!!"

Oh, what would a grammarian do? Check into your conditional tenses, Factless. No wonder your logic sux. You mix a 1st conditional (family from England) with a 2nd conditional (your displaced patriotism) in making an analogy that is worse than anything George W. Bush ever came up with in his better days as a real drunk. "Some" of your family? Not a single member of my family came to the US till a full century was piled onto the long barracks at the Alamo. Get your tenses straight then try to explain how cheering against your family and country is not treasonous. Getcher perfesser to crank you out some logic from the dusty halls of his 2 year college. Impress us, someday. Yep, someday.

What's wrong with this logic?
"Your sophomoric posts, however, are simply not worthy of the reciprocal effort."
Posted by: factless at August 28, 2006 05:30 PM

And yet you continue to reply like an abused pup asking for more. As I've always said, I'm more than willing to oblige you goobers in this regard.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 06:58 PM

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LBH,

So just admit it. You think it is O.K. to completely destroy a countries civilian infrastructure, and murder 1,100 civilians, to avenge the kidnapping of 2 soldiers.

Did you know the IDF bombed 75% of Lebanons wastewater treatment plants? Was Hezbollah firing shit filled rockets at Israel?

Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 07:02 PM

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"Panty Queen
Hey thanks for all the info on Chafee, big dog. It's about as news worthy as Corns new book disclosing Armitage as the leaker. Who friggin cares, CornPuppet!"
Posted by: Clueless at August 28, 2006 06:54 PM

You know this whole "I-Don't-care-if-we-lose" attitude is getting me down. Like I said, this is no fun if you guys are just gonna roll over and play stupid.

"There is certainly a corn flake which escaped out of the box today..."
Posted by: David B. Benson at August 28, 2006 06:56 PM

Mmmm. Cornflakes. Yeh mon, like Capt. sez, A brazilian cornflakes.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 07:04 PM

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#95, LBH
Second: Hezbollah never fired a rocket until the Israeli air campaign had begun. I don't condone either Hezbollah or the IDF; they are both murderers in this instance.

Uncledad

Well then why not say so up front? Getting you to admit Hezbollah are murders is like pulling teeth. My wife calls it a lie of omission, but I accept your admission as a fair point of view.

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 07:05 PM

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"Heck lets tell the mexicans a couple weeks in advance and then drop a small nuclear bomb on the border to make it a dead zone. Problem solved."

Well said, you such a deep thinker LBH, we need more sensible people like you in this country?

Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 07:07 PM

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#104 LBH,

I believe I said: "I don't support any religious extremists, Islam, Jews, Or Christian. Anyone who thinks their religion gives them the right to murder is an extremist."

Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 07:10 PM

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African-Americans Running at Record Levels
“From Maryland to Tennessee to Ohio, the 2006 elections already hold a place in the history books: More black candidates from both major parties are mounting serious campaigns for upper-tier office - senator or governor - than ever before,” reports the Christian Science Monitor.

“Even more noteworthy, three of the six men are Republican, a party that has struggled to boost its black affiliation above 10 percent.”

Above 10 percent? What ever happened to all that baloney about Steele and Swan peeling away votes from the Dems? How do you say "hype" in Hip Hop. Oh, yeah, hype!

So who do you think is the bigger racist Senator in VA, Clueless? KKKByrd or Macaca-head Allen? What is up with Daddy Liberty Jefferson's former stomping grounds?

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 07:11 PM

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You know this whole "I-Don't-care-if-we-lose" attitude is getting me down. Like I said, this is no fun if you guys are just gonna roll over and play stupid.

Panty Queen

There you go again running your mouth about the big victory before it happens. You liberals are always pre-ejaculating to the point of a ridiculous no return. Weren't you blabbering the same horse shit in 2002 - 2004 and 2006?

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 07:15 PM

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"...such a deep thinker LBH, we need more sensible people like you in this country?"
Posted by: uncledad at August 28, 2006 07:07 PM

The undisputed Snarkoriffic Sarcasm Champion of the World: Uncledad -- in a TKO.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 07:15 PM

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Well said, you such a deep thinker LBH, we need more sensible people like you in this country?

Uncledad

You liberals need to lighten up!

I leave the deep thinking to smart fellas like you and Panty Queen to save the world!!!

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 07:20 PM

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Quote of the Day
"Anybody who's dealt with me knows not to mess with me."

-- House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D), in a must-read Time magazine profile. Pelosi follows up with another good quote: "They can't even believe the fact that I'm going to become Speaker, but they're getting used to it."

I don't know if that's sarcasm or not; but it's still pretty damned funny. Now that's counting your chickens before the Hen even get's comfy.

Clueless,
There's no pre-whatever-you-called-it. Look at the funny stuff that you and Happy write about not caring that Liddy Dole is driving every competetive GOP Senate race acrapper. You guys are rolling over and playing stupid. Plain and simple. And it takes all the fun out of watching the GOP shoot itself in the ass with a blowdart.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 07:22 PM

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So Uncledad,

Besides calling Israel murders, whats your deep thought of the day?

Panty Queens deep thought: Nancy Pelosi in a maids uniform giving him a spanking. He loves a women of authority!!

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 07:24 PM

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Quote of the WEEK
"From privatizing Social Security to drunk driving it becomes clearer every day that Mike McGavick and George Bush are cut from the same cloth."

-- Washington Democratic party spokesman Kelly Steele, quoted by the Seattle Times, on U.S. Senate candidate Mike MCGavick's (R) disclosure of a DUI arrest in 1993.

WWKD? Freekin' Spineless Dems.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 07:27 PM

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Uncledad You are aware of the fact that these same Islamic maniacs don't approve of your music, right?
Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 06:13 PM

What!? They don't like ZZ Top? Nuke the mother-fuckers is large quantities.

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 07:28 PM

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Panty Queen,

I really don't give a hoot what Mrs Dole or Lincoln Chafee are doing. I really don't care that the Dems have a huge advantage right now that they'll problably blow. I don't care if Lieberman beats Lamont or not, even though it would be a great jab at liberals. You can spend all your deep thought on these people that you'll never meet or know. Have at it.

I care about my kids getting a quality education, quality health care and that our local economy keeps going at a strong pace. I care about my neighbors, my customers and my co workers. I care about my marriage and the legacy I'm building for my family when I'm gone.

So you see Lincoln Chafee might be your main thought for the day, but I just want to go home now and spend it with the kids fishing! See ya burrito boy!!!

Posted by: LBH at August 28, 2006 07:34 PM

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115 When you turn on La Grange. Just think about how insulting it is that Muslims hate it. They be very afraid - that is what your President wants - be very very afraid. Then support him for attacking a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and ask yourself, are we safer today than we were six years?

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 07:38 PM

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Pass the chimichongas.

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 07:39 PM

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Americans are paying for Bush's war of choice

A great article to read!


War is a racket fought by the masses for privileged elites. Bush's war on Iraq is not merely fought for the benefit of no-bid contractors like Halliburton, it is financed by America's working poor and middle classes who pay for the war —with their lives abroad and with their jobs, their retirement prospects, and their access to health care at home. Bush's base —the nation's elite, his corporate sponsors, and the so-called defense industry —have paid nothing, risked nothing! Rather —they feed at the trough. The upper one percent of the population has gotten several tax cuts while the big oil companies report record profits rising concurrently with higher prices at the pump.

Posted by: Gerald at August 28, 2006 07:40 PM

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I wonder how much LBH resents being schooled by a well-educated person of mexican ancestry. It turns his bigotry on its head daily.

Posted by: Happy at August 28, 2006 07:41 PM

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VA-02: Democrat Kellam on Republican Drake

"The local Daily Press pegs Iraq as the top issue in this military-heavy district, and profiles Kellam and Thelma Drake."

Says Kellam of Drake...:

Iraq top issue for Drake, Kellam [Daily Press]
"It's a mess. It's a terrible mess," he said. "The public knows they are not getting the whole story. They're concerned. I think that anyone who understands critical thinking knows she is full of baloney. It's almost a Disney World discussion. We're just not dealing with reality."

"...Drake is one of many who are seeing the national scandal of the drug industry secretly funding pro-Republican ads blowing up in her local press..."

Drug industry paid for Drake ads, report says [Daily Press]

Thelma Drake: a bought and paid for politician for Big Pharma. No wonder senior citizens can't catch a break from the GOP. They've been sold out to the big pharmaceutical companies.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at August 28, 2006 07:47 PM

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Bush's disdainful presidency

The swelling of Bush's head was apparent in his interview for Bob Woodward's Bush at War, .which took a largely flattering look at Bush's "gut" decision-making but reported some disturbing attitudes within the White House.

"I am the commander, see," Bush told Woodward. "I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the President. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they need to say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."

So, Bush had come to see himself as beyond accountability, much as ancient royalty viewed their own powers as unlimited under the divine right of kings. In the traditional droit du seigneur, a nobleman had the right to deflower the bride of a male subject on their first night of marriage.

Now we're told that George W. Bush has another way of demonstrating his supremacy over subordinates: when new White House aides are brought in to be introduced to the President of the United States, the President farts.

Posted by: Gerald at August 28, 2006 07:47 PM

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quote of the week 2 weeks ago:

It is now time to start killing them in large quantities.
Posted by: factchecker at August 13, 2006 11:41 PM

addendum:

I also pity you for your outlook on life.
- factchecker

Posted by: spy on this! at August 28, 2006 07:48 PM

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NeoClowns are at it again

Look, I don't have a problem with neoclowns making these arguments. It's a free country. If you want to put on a shiny red nose and big floppy shoe