David, he understands the war just fine. His understanding is that it is immensely profitable as war has always been.

Mass murder in the skies: was the plot feasible?
Thomas C Greene / The Register | August 17 2006

We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane.

Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called "terrorism experts." But what do these experts know about chemistry? Less than they know about lobbying for Homeland Security pork, which is what most of them do for a living. But they've seen the same movies that you and I have seen, and so the myth of binary liquid explosives dies hard.

Better killing through chemistry
Making a quantity of TATP sufficient to bring down an airplane is not quite as simple as ducking into the toilet and mixing two harmless liquids together.

First, you've got to get adequately concentrated hydrogen peroxide. This is hard to come by, so a large quantity of the three per cent solution sold in pharmacies might have to be concentrated by boiling off the water. Only this is risky, and can lead to mission failure by means of burning down your makeshift lab before a single infidel has been harmed.

But let's assume that you can obtain it in the required concentration, or cook it from a dilute solution without ruining your operation. Fine. The remaining ingredients, acetone and sulfuric acid, are far easier to obtain, and we can assume that you've got them on hand.

Now for the fun part. Take your hydrogen peroxide, acetone, and sulfuric acid, measure them very carefully, and put them into drinks bottles for convenient smuggling onto a plane. It's all right to mix the peroxide and acetone in one container, so long as it remains cool. Don't forget to bring several frozen gel-packs (preferably in a Styrofoam chiller deceptively marked "perishable foods"), a thermometer, a large beaker, a stirring rod, and a medicine dropper. You're going to need them.

It's best to fly first class and order Champagne. The bucket full of ice water, which the airline ought to supply, might possibly be adequate - especially if you have those cold gel-packs handy to supplement the ice, and the Styrofoam chiller handy for insulation - to get you through the cookery without starting a fire in the lavvie.

Easy does it
Once the plane is over the ocean, very discreetly bring all of your gear into the toilet. You might need to make several trips to avoid drawing attention. Once your kit is in place, put a beaker containing the peroxide / acetone mixture into the ice water bath (Champagne bucket), and start adding the acid, drop by drop, while stirring constantly. Watch the reaction temperature carefully. The mixture will heat, and if it gets too hot, you'll end up with a weak explosive. In fact, if it gets really hot, you'll get a premature explosion possibly sufficient to kill you, but probably no one else.

After a few hours - assuming, by some miracle, that the fumes haven't overcome you or alerted passengers or the flight crew to your activities - you'll have a quantity of TATP with which to carry out your mission. Now all you need to do is dry it for an hour or two.

The genius of this scheme is that TATP is relatively easy to detonate. But you must make enough of it to crash the plane, and you must make it with care to assure potency. One needs quality stuff to commit "mass murder on an unimaginable scale," as Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson put it. While it's true that a slapdash concoction will explode, it's unlikely to do more than blow out a few windows. At best, an infidel or two might be killed by the blast, and one or two others by flying debris as the cabin suddenly depressurizes, but that's about all you're likely to manage under the most favorable conditions possible.

We believe this because a peer-reviewed 2004 study (http://www.technion.ac.il/~keinanj/pub/122.pdf) in the Journal of the American Chemical Society (JACS) entitled "Decomposition of Triacetone Triperoxide is an Entropic Explosion" tells us that the explosive force of TATP comes from the sudden decomposition of a solid into gasses. There's no rapid oxidizing of fuel, as there is with many other explosives: rather, the substance changes state suddenly through an entropic process, and quickly releases a respectable amount of energy when it does. (Thus the lack of ingredients typically associated with explosives makes TATP, a white crystalline powder resembling sugar, difficult to detect with conventional bomb sniffing gear.)
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If Hollywood can do it so can muslamiacs!

Just another view of "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them in our country" YEah and like there is a lot of explosives available here. Gee what a dumbass. Not to mention a criminal, psycopath, drug addict, drunk, let's see did I leave out something. Oh yeah, coward, deserter, and liar, asshole just seems to limiting.

With the MSM in Hitler's back pocket there is little doubt that Jonbenet will get more coverage than the fiasco in Iraq. How quickly we forget the killing, maiming, and destruction started by Hitler?

I agree with Sal, it is about money being made by his buddies in the oil industries, Cheney included. Actually Cheney appears to be the man behind the curtain in this case, with Halliburton and KBR being the major beneficiaries.

The rhetoric is meant to prolong the activities and take suspicion away from the administration, like they are doing us a real big favor, saving us from terroristas, while creating more at the same time.

It is the UGLIEST mess-o-potamian thievery by corporate thugs, using terrorism as an excuse. AAARRRGGGHHH!

Mr. Corn's words remind me almost verbatim of my neocon in-laws' words.

Bad news for Panty and DOODY, they fell onboard a sinking ship that's being sunk by liberals!

Poll: Joe Lieberman Leads Ned Lamont in Conn.

Ned Lamont, whose anti-war campaign rattled the political landscape by toppling Sen. Joe Lieberman in Connecticut's Democratic primary, is gaining support among voters - but Lieberman still has an edge, according to a poll released Thursday.

The Quinnipiac University poll has Lieberman leading Lamont among registered voters 49 percent to 38 percent. Republican Alan Schlesinger gets support from 4 percent. Among likely voters, Lieberman was supported by 53 percent, compared to Lamont's 41 percent and Schlesinger's 4 percent.

Saladin,

Mr. Green's article only discusses ONE type of potential explosive that could be used. Actually, his treatment of the subject is flippant which I find offensive.

I think your line of thinking is flawed from the get-go because you seem to filter everything through your biases. Try being objective (yes, I know it's hard) and do a little research. You will find that it is indeed feasible to bring down a modern jet aircraft with a relatively small, but focused explosion.

You know, the London subway bombers didn't have too much trouble, did they? Or was all of that just a plot by President Bush carried out by CIA operatives?

Move over Tom Delay and Jack Abramoff, we've got some new players in town!!

Don't worry the cornnut fan club will keep silent about it.

Democrats' Stock Is Rising on K Street
Firms Anticipate A Shift in Power

By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 17, 2006; Page A01

Washington lobbying firms, trade associations and corporate offices are moving to hire more well-connected Democrats in response to rising prospects that the opposition party will wrest control of at least one chamber of Congress from Republicans in the November elections.

In what lobbyists are calling a harbinger of possible upheaval on Capitol Hill, many who make a living influencing government have gone from mostly shunning Democrats to aggressively recruiting them as lobbyists over the past six months or so.

"We've seen a noticeable shift," said Beth Solomon, director of the Washington office of Christian & Timbers, an executive search firm that helps to place senior lobbyists and trade association heads.

In June, one of Washington's largest lobbying law firms, DLA Piper Rudnick Gray Cary LLP, transferred the chairmanship of its government affairs practice from a Republican, Thomas F. O'Neil III, to a prominent Democrat, James J. Blanchard, a former governor and congressman from Michigan.

"Being a Democrat didn't hurt me, that's for sure," Blanchard said. "This is going to be a big Democratic year."

Mr Corn wants us to think that a rape and murder of a six year old girl isn't as important as keeping Iraq in the news to help Democrats in Nov. How can you sleep at night with such twisted beliefs?

#10 LBH

As a parent whose son was missing for 53 days, not knowing where he was or whether or not he was alive, I can speak with authority on how devastating and monumentally important it is that a little girl was raped and murdered.

But you are sadly mistaken if you believe that this single murder outweighs the thousands and thousands of deaths and maiming of our young men and women in the armed services. The wanton destruction of a soveriegn country, its occupation, the deaths of Iraq's innocents at the hands of the farce of a president that can only parrot catch phrases (cut-and-run democrats; fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here; when they stand up, we'll stand down; ad nauseum) is a travesty in the largest sense of the word.

It is no accident that so many thinking Republicans are distancing themselves from this president in the upcoming mid-term elections. Maybe you can join their swelling ranks if you can get over the lies, get over the deception, and please, please, please--stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

10 A voice from the ignorance

Son stop beating yourself up like that.

Fear-mongering is wrong.

See:

http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/ct.sa.fear.html

http://www.villonius.com/design/subvertise/the%20nationalist.jpg

James Ha,
Well, finally you truly reveal yourself, you sneaky bastard!

timC i wasn't hiding, you obvious bastard! everyone who's anyone can tell that it's me from the very first word of one of my comments.

Anyway, I'd like to take this opportunity to tell you once again how ignorant you truly are concerning the events of 9/11 and aviation in particular.

so you took the opportunity, yet you didn't show how or where i am ignorant? you have wasted your opportunity. here's another opportunity for you:

if the govt shows us a photo and says "", but there is no crash at the crash-site, does that mean that the govt is telling the truth?

now i am pleased to announce that i am changing my handle yet again - this time i will be timH - H is for ha.

9 Move over Tom Delay and Jack Abramoff, we've got some new players in town!!
Don't worry the cornnut fan club will keep silent about it.
Democrats' Stock Is Rising on K Street
Firms Anticipate A Shift in Power

How does it feel to watch the Republican majority crumble under the weight of corruption? So much for a permanent majority.

Every time I see Bush's poll numbers drop, everytime I see a Republican Senator resign (Ney), everytime I see a Republican incumbent lose, I will think of you LBH, one of the whiniest neo-con whiners I have ever heard whine.

You did nothing but whine when the Repubs controlled it all. With the prospects for Republicans in the midterms, the future contracts on LBH whining are trading at an extreme discount. Waa Waa Waa. Somebody give the poor bastard a binky.

Jay,

Our men and women in uniform volunteered to be in harms way so don't feel sorry for them. My sister who fought in Iraq says she doen't need your sympathy.

Jon Bonet did not volunteer to be in harms way and since the liberal media accused the mother and father for the last 10 years, I believe they have a right to be front page news. Mr Corn and you my friend, will have to find a way to win in Nov. without the use of media scare tatics!

Israeli officials blame Bush for war

With U.S. forces bogged down in Iraq, Bush and his neoconservative advisers saw the inclusion of Israeli forces as crucial for advancing a strategy that would punish Syria for supporting Iraqi insurgents, advance the confrontation with Iran and isolate Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza.

But the month-long war has failed to achieve its goals of destroying Hezbollah forces in south Lebanon or intimidating Iran and Syria.

Instead, Hezbollah guerrillas fought Israeli troops to a virtual standstill in villages near the border and much of the world saw Israel's bombing raids across Lebanon - which killed hundreds of civilians - as "disproportionate."

Now, as the conflict winds down, some Israeli officials are ruing the Olmert-Bush pact on May 23 and fault Bush for pushing Olmert into the conflict.

What a pretty little pass we have come to when Israeli officials can say "Bush is crazier than us!" The articles goes on to describe how Israel, as part of this agreement, initiated a series of low-key attacks in Gaza and Lebanon to provoke reactions from Hezbollah and Hamas. Of course, the protestations of innocence from Israeli officials cannot be taken in all earnestness: it has been known for some time that Israel was planning such an attack for years. Some Israeli officials may have worried about the timing and strategy, and may have balked at a direct and immediate attack on Syria. But the plans were devised both by Tel Aviv and Washington. Bush may be the boss of his international crime syndicate, but the Israelis are made guys. As soon as it was clear that the Israeli military wasn't up to the task, they got the cleaners in to get rid of the mess, withdrawing with the threat that, like all good terminators, they would be back. Now, they're pissed off at Iran and Syria for - get this - taking "advantage of this tragedy", because they declared Hezbollah the winners. That's from Voice of America, which goes to show that America's voice remains as stupid, callous, brutal, disingenuous and sanctimonious as it always was.

Another, rather less important, point grabs my attention. Even the llamas that Israel drafted in to help out proved to be evildoers, simply sitting on their arses when ordered to proceed through Lebanese terrain with the supplies. This is not the first time animals have proven uncooperative when used in combat. When Russian forces in World War II trained dogs strapped with bombs to run under enemy tanks, it somehow did not occur to them that the dogs would actually run under the Russian tanks they had been trained with and blow up the home team. Similarly, when the Americans tried to strap bats with incendiary devices stuffed with napalm in the hope of setting them loose on Japanese towns at dawn whereupon they would nest in the eaves only to be detonated as the townspeople were waking up and reduce all those paper and wooden houses to ashes, they forgot to take note of the wind: during a training exercise when they tried to set them loose on a model town constructed in a New Mexico desert, the wind carried all the bats flying back to headquarters and burnt up a brand new air base. Filthy animals.
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The best laid plans. Now that Israel got their asses kicked, again, they will blame everyone but themselves. If the mission was to unite all the Mulims behind Hezbollah they have achieved a resounding success! IDIOTS! I guess Iran is not easily provoked much to bush and olmerts chagrin.

oops that's what i get for daring to call myself timH!

if the govt shows us a photo and says here is the crash-site, but there is no crash at the crash-site, does that mean that the govt is telling the truth?

Let's weigh the arguments and see if LBH's argument carries the day:

#1
1 person dead ten years ago perpetrator apprehended; enduring question is he quilty?

#2
3000 american soldiers dead, death rate climbing 61,000 american soldiers maimed, injury rate climbing, troop moral dropping
140,000 iraqi civilias killed, rate increasing to 2000 per month and full-on civil war, occupier american troops presence fueling the conflict; enduring question is how long will bush continue on this course and for what gain?

Anybody see the merit in LBH's argument?

Does Ronald Reagan deserve all the credit for being the father of contemporary American Cut and Run?

Target Britain: Wave of attacks planned, say investigators
Terrorists in UK still possess huge arsenal of bombs and weapons. Country remains under 'very severe' threat, security sources warn
Posted Aug 17, 2006 09:21 AM PST

"The latest intelligence we have is that the Loch Ness Monster is in league with Al Qaeda" -- Number 9 3/4
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They will be hijacking personal yachts and ramming them into the Statue Of Liberty, that will show you infidels!

Every time I see Bush's poll numbers drop, everytime I see a Republican Senator resign (Ney), everytime I see a Republican incumbent lose, I will think of you LBH, one of the whiniest neo-con whiners I have ever heard whine.

DOODY

DOODY, boy I must have really struck your manhood the other day. You are acting like rabid liberal in heat! Too funny! You and Panty get the cry baby award for the whole year!

First of all Bush isn't running for reelection, he already won TWICE! So who cares about his poll numbers except losers that have nothing else to cheer for.

Second, Ney did the right thing unlike Jefferson who is still running in N.O. and McKinney who now is crying voter fraud in a Dem primary (could Dems be capable of voter fraud? No, so it ain't so!) By the way Ney didn't lose, he will be replaced with a repub that will win.

Last, you idiots picked a loser in Ned lamont over Leiberman and he will get his assed kick in Nov. Which puts one more seat out of Dem control. If you guys keep it up the Repubs will be in control for the next 10 years.

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Does Ronald Reagan deserve all the credit for being the father of contemporary American Cut and Run?

Posted by: timH at August 17, 2006 01:44 PM

I think so. What other president - post WW2 and before Reagan in the 80's - withdrew all of our troops from a country as a direct result of a terrorist attack upon them?

DOODY = little girls that are raped and murder don't matter if it's been over ten years. Heck, lets just put the killer in rehab now instead of a trail so he can get become a better human being! Liberalism at it's best!!!!!!!!!

LBH

Okay, what does a person volunteering to be in the armed services have to do with them not being on the receiving end of human emotions? I guess that's where I part company with neo-cons.

If we are going to play one-upmanship on who's got moral authority, let me say I have a son who served in Iraq and came back wounded--not badly, thank God. He was wounded when his Hummer without armor (and I thank DUH-Byah for that one, not God) ran over an explosive device in the middle of the road. One of the boys with him lost his hearing;no one was killed.

I do NOT have sympathy for your sister; you may inform her that it is called EMPATHY. But trying to say men and women in the armed services aren't deserving of empathy because they volunteered (NOT sympathy--again, they are two different things in case you are unaware of that) when they are hurt, mutilated, or killed is lacking in human emotion and capacity. So I will continue to have empathy for them, even if they did volunteer.

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Does Ronald Reagan deserve all the credit for being the father of contemporary American Cut and Run?

Posted by: timH at August 17, 2006 01:44 PM

I think so. What other president - post WW2 and before Reagan in the 80's - withdrew all of our troops from a country as a direct result of a terrorist attack upon them?

Posted by DOODY

Wow! you cornnuts agree that cut & run is wrong like Panty! Hey, Happy we are finally making an impact on these trolls!

23 Yeah, who cares about Bush's poll numbers? Who cares Ney is a criminal . . . he resigned. And the Dems picked Leiberman over Lamont bla bla

. . . I will think of you LBH, one of the whiniest neo-con whiners I have ever heard whine.

You did nothing but whine when the Repubs controlled it all. With the prospects for Republicans in the midterms, the future contracts on LBH whining are trading at an extreme discount. Waa Waa Waa. Somebody give the poor bastard a binky.

Here ya go: Binky

must i officially register a change of name every time or is it simply enough that i don't use foul words in an insulting manner?
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the pentagon cannot account for some $2.6 TRILLION in missing funds..
--donald rumsfeld, 9/10/01

9/11 Truth Scholars Jones and Fetzer Respond to World Net Daily Hit Piece

B.Y.U. Professor Steven Jones Says He Was Misquoted

Steven Jones | August 17, 2006

Quote from Moseley's "9/11 Bush Bashers":
At a national conference broadcast nationwide on C-SPAN, key conspiracy leader Alex Jones announced that the American government has already collapsed and a shadow government is now running our country. This radio talk-show host next announced, on tape, that Osama bin Laden is now a paid agent of the CIA.

Professor Steven Jones of Brigham-Young University accused George Bush of being a dictator, mimicking the preamble of the Declaration of Independence. When asked if violent revolution was necessary, this scientist declared, in front of national TV cameras, that there is no peaceful way to achieve the group's goals. In the context of the question, professor Jones was calling for the violent overthrow of the government.

Those publishing this essay should check my actual comments on the C-SPAN broadcast. I made no such statement that "there is no peaceful way to achieve the group's goals." This is FALSE, UNTRUE, AND TOTALLY NOT WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID, NOR DO I IN ANY WAY SUPPORT THIS STATEMENT AT ALL.

I need your help. I have a meeting here now ==very serious -- about my standing here -- in 1/2 hour. I must prepare.

Please find out who to write to, to protest these untrue statements, so that after my meeting I will be able to respond. If you would respond in my behalf, I would deeply appreciate that. These lies need to be challenged, for anyone can listen to CSPAN and determine that I did not make the alleged comments.

9/11 Truth Scholar Jim Fetzer Responds Point-By-Point to Moseley's 'Reprehensible' Article...

Truth Seekers, not Bush Bashers

Same old stupid tactics. I am a witness to the fact that Professor Jones said no such thing, in fact he was very concerned, and spoke extensively about the need to exercise constitutional powers. Jones is the most mild mannered and soft spoken person I have ever run across. I was able to speak with him briefly in the hotel corridor. A genuinely good and caring person.

Reagan .... withdrew all of our troops from a country as a direct result of a terrorist attack upon them

you are either with us or you are with the terrorists.
-- g w bush

Nazi Americans are you now starting to realize that our elections are truly rigged? Yes, they truly are rigged!!! The repugnants' swagger is back because they have already counted the votes and the results reveal total annihilation for the Democrats!!!

Nazi America outspends all nations combined on weaponry and she tells another country what to do. How hypocritical can Nazi America be?

Published on Thursday, August 17, 2006 by Agence France Presse
Top Chinese Diplomat Tells US to 'Shut up' on Arms Spending
by H. Josef Hebert

China's ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva, throwing diplomatic language to the wind, has told the United States in no uncertain terms to "shut up and keep quiet" on the subject of Beijing's growing military spending.

Interviewed for a BBC radio programme on the topic Thursday, Sha Zukang also said China would "do the business" and sacrifice its own people's lives if any nation supported a declaration of independence by Taiwan.

Responding to jitters within the Bush administration about Beijing's spiraling military budget, Sha said the United States itself accounts for half of the entire world's military spending.

"The China population is six times or five times that of the United States," he said. "Why blame China?... It's better for the US to shut up and keep quiet. It's much, much better."

His voice rising, Sha continued: "It's the US's sovereign right to do whatever they deem good for them -- but don't tell us what is good for China. Thank you very much!"

Sha was equally explicit on Taiwan declaring independence with US backing -- a prospect that the BBC programme, by former Beijing correspondent Carrie Gracie, called the motivating factor behind Chinese military spending.

"The moment Taiwan declares independence, supported by whoever, China will have no choice," he said.

"We will do the business through whatever means available to my government. Nobody should have any illusions on that. We will do the business at any cost."

He added: "It's not a matter of how big Taiwan is, but for China, one inch of the territory is more valuable than the life of our people. We will never concede on that."

China's rising military spending, which has grown by double digits for much of the last 15 years, has caused concern in the United States and amongst China's neighbors in Asia.

In March the National People's Congress (parliament), largely a rubber-stamp for decisions taken at the top level of the Chinese Communist Party, approved a 14.7-percent increase in military spending to 35 billion dollars (27 billion euros) this year.

Although this is paltry compared to the 419 billion dollar (325 billion euro) US defense budget in 2006, the Pentagon last year estimated that China's defense spending was two to three times the publicly announced figure.

In a speech in Beijing in July, Defence Minister Cao Gangchuan said modernization of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) remained a priority, the China News Service reported.

"The entire military must eye the historic destiny of China's military in the new century and new era and push forward the main line of a Chinese-style revolution in military affairs," he was quoted as saying.

He added: "We must unswervingly fulfill our sacred duty to defend state sovereignty, territorial integrity and security and never tolerate Taiwan independence and never permit Taiwan independence forces under any name or under any circumstances or form to split Taiwan from the motherland."

25 DOODY = little girls that are raped and murder don't matter if it's been over ten years. Heck, lets just put the killer in rehab now instead of a trail so he can get become a better human being! Liberalism at it's best!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: LBH at August 17, 2006 01:51 PM

First, it's "little girl" not "little girls." We are talking about one.

Second, It's not a question of whether it matters, it's a question of which issue is more important in the eyes of the media and the american people. One girl's death ten years ago or the merit of continuing a war with 3000 dead, 61,000 maimed, 140,000 killed etc

I don't think you are as dumb as you act.

Here, take this: binky

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must i officially register a change of name every time or is it simply enough that i don't use foul words in an insulting manner?

the pentagon cannot account for some $2.6 TRILLION in missing funds..

NOT TO WORRY. Cofi and other UN officials stole it, and gave it to their pals in Iran.

The repugnant swagger is back!!!!!

How can a Nazi Party so full of shit be so popular with the people???

Only in America I guess?

Jay

You make great points and I applaud your son for serving. My sister came back with emotonal scars and has had a hard time adjusting but does not blame Bush or anyone else for her troubles. She is a fighter not a whiner!

However, why do you have empathy for our troops but none for the family of a murdered child? You lost some credibilty here on that one with me. Also, what does having empahty for our wounded troops have to do with keeping Iraq in front page news? Can you not have empathy without visual images on a TV set? Do you need to be reminded on a daily basis of the human suffering to keep the empathy alive?

Reagan, the Father of Cut and Run, is very a interesting statement of factual information.

The Alleged UK Terror Plot

Andrew Sullivan | August 17 2006

So far, no one has been charged in the alleged terror plot to blow up several airplanes across the Atlantic. No evidence has been produced supporting the contention that such a plot was indeed imminent. Forgive me if my skepticism just ratcheted up a little notch. Under a law that the Tories helped weaken, the suspects can be held without charges for up to 28 days. Those days are ticking by. Remember: the British authorities had all these people under surveillance; they did not want to act last week; there was no imminent threat of anything but a possible "dummy-run," whatever deranged guest-bloggers at Malkin say. (Correction, please.) Bush and Blair discussed whether to throw Britain's airports into chaos over the weekend before the crackdown occurred.
Bush and Blair discussing the possible arrests over the weekend. Why?

I'd be interested in the number of plotters who had passports. How could they even stage a dummy-run with no passports? And what bomb-making materials did they actually have? These seem like legitimate questions to me; the British authorities have produced no evidence so far. If the only evidence they have was from torturing someone in Pakistan, then they have nothing that can stand up in anything like a court. I wonder if this story is going to get more interesting. I wonder if Lieberman's defeat, the resilience of Hezbollah in Lebanon, and the emergence of a Hezbollah-style government in Iraq had any bearing on the decision by Bush and Blair to pre-empt the British police and order this alleged plot disabled. I wish I didn't find these questions popping into my head. But the alternative is to trust the Bush administration.

Been there. Done that. Learned my lesson.
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Yep, me too.

Den and Sal,

This is just so much extra hype. It's overkill. We had bomb scares in LAX and in San Diego. People are not listening.

speaking of little girls being raped, what about the little iraqi girl who was raped, her family killed and then set on fire by a US soldier while his peers did nothing but watch?

that's decidering at it's finest!

First, it's "little girl" not "little girls." We are talking about one.

Second, It's not a question of whether it matters, it's a question of which issue is more important in the eyes of the media and the american people. One girl's death ten years ago or the merit of continuing a war with 3000 dead, 61,000 maimed, 140,000 killed etc

I don't think you are as dumb as you act.

Doody

Doody says -One girl-not important! - must be many girls to matter.

Doody says- it's a question of which issue is more important in the eyes of the media and the american people.

No shit Sherlock? Isn't this exactly what Mr Corn was whining about? The media and american people believe the murder is more important which is why it's front page news. Duh!

It's only you Cornnuts that don't give a shit about a murdered little GIRL!

Not even Panty is this stupid!

speaking of little girls being raped, what about the little iraqi girl who was raped, her family killed and then set on fire by a US soldier while his peers did nothing but watch?

that's decidering at it's finest!

Ha

James, you know that for a fact? Wheres the link to the conviction? Did Murtha tell you this?

34 link please.
Carey, the fact that ANYONE, especially people of democrat leaning, believe a single word that comes out of those lying mouths is just amazing. And the dems in power also promote this bullshit. They're like psychotic cartoon characters that people take seriously.

oh where is the empathy?

Reagan .... withdrew all of our troops from a country as a direct result of a terrorist attack upon them

Hey cut the man some slack, he was entitled to back off after having to clean up Carters mess in Iran and free the 40 hostages that were captivity for over a year while Crater did nothing.

Carter could be titled the father of cut & run, no make that run-coward-run!

here's 2,870,000 links to that story.

#11

How dare you.

#11 Jay

That was quite well-spoken. My hopes and prayers out to you.

oh where is the empathy?

I believe this little girl and her family got a fair share of front page news and TV time, yes? Why ask a stupid question?

They're like psychotic cartoon characters that people take seriously.

all it will take is one more attack on US soil and the war on arabs will be in full swing.

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

Hermann Goering
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Sounds familiar?

TimH or whoever you are at #15,

Yes, I did point you in the right direction. I said that there have been numerous cases of airliners crashing into seemingly impossibly small crash footprints, but I'm not going to do your homework for you.

One instance to get you started was a well-publicized incident in Colorado where a 737 rolled over and dove into the ground while approaching to land. I watched the coverage on TV and the entire crash site was no bigger than a two-car garage (or thereabouts)!

I am well qualified when it comes to aviation issues and I have actually read all the wild-eyed theories surrounding the events of 9-11. That's ALL THEY ARE.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

George Orwell

hummm

I don't believe it. He actualy said that? Will Rumsfeld cease not to to amaze....and he got this far in power?

That's what we need. Actual quotes.

Thank you.

#17 LBH

Pretty much you lost any respect on that one.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

George Orwell

Wish I would have known this Orwell feller and maybe I wouldn't have gotten into so much trouble!

#36 LBH

This is why I lose patience speaking with so many people. If it is not spelled out, they don't grasp it.

My empathy for the Ramsey family and total sympathy don't need to be mentioned because it is UNDERSTOOD that people will have those feelings! I know very well the emotional nightmare they must have gone through. But I am not convinced that the man they have is the real perpetrator. Time and DNA testing will tell. I only know if I were in a jail cell in Thailand and wanted out, I'd probably confess to something truly horrific in order to get a free ride home.

Conversely, if, as you implied, the personnel in the armed services aren't deserving of empathy, and even sympathy at times, then you, sir, are the one who has lost credibility. Also, my son has blamed no one for the war and still wears the uniform. But believe me, his opinions have changed since seeing the reality of it all. This is not the Third Reich, and it is not unpatriotic to question the choices and so-called wisdom of the leaders.

Sympathy and empathy for JonBenet's family? Some things just go without saying, don't they?

As far as keeping Iraq on the front page news, what could possibly be more important if it's true what Bush says--that it is the front in the fight on terror. I don't need to see it everyday in order to sustain my emotions. But I do need to see it everyday in order to keep abreast of what is going on. Knowledge is power, and that is the ultimate reason this administration is so secretive. They understand that if they keep the populace in the dark, and it's easier to manipulate them.

Carey,

What makes you think I want the respect of someone that dosn't believe the rape and murder of a little innocent girl is important as Iraq?

Save your respect for someone else, please!

#2...

We believe this because a peer-reviewed 2004 study (http://www.technion.ac.il/~keinanj/pub/122.pdf) in the Journal of the American Chemical Society (JACS) entitled "Decomposition of Triacetone Triperoxide is an Entropic Explosion"

But they all LIE, so you don't beleive any of them, remember?
LOL

There's thousands of those damn scientists and chemists that lie and make up reports and plant false evidence to cover up for the government so they can go to war with al Qaeda... *ooops*, I mean Iraq.

tim 51 you know damn well who i am you obvious bastard!

I am well qualified when it comes to aviation issues

good! then you should have no trouble explaining
exactly where the wreckage from the 757 that plunged into the ground is.

My empathy for the Ramsey family and total sympathy don't need to be mentioned because it is UNDERSTOOD that people will have those feelings!

Jay
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Your the one who brought empathy into it! I would say leave the empathy at home and just have some human respect for a grieving family that wants closer!

LBH
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I know very well the emotional nightmare they must have gone through. But I am not convinced that the man they have is the real perpetrator. Time and DNA testing will tell. I only know if I were in a jail cell in Thailand and wanted out, I'd probably confess to something truly horrific in order to get a free ride home.

Jay
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So now your judge and jury as well as empathetic?

Boy, you sure spelled it out loud and clear.

LBH
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But believe me, his opinions have changed since seeing the reality of it all. This is not the Third Reich, and it is not unpatriotic to question the choices and so-called wisdom of the leaders

Jay
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I agree, he has every right to question his leaders but what does that have to do with Mr Corns statement about Jon Bonet not being important as Iraq? Not a damn thing!

LBH
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I don't need to see it everyday in order to sustain my emotions. But I do need to see it everyday in order to keep abreast of what is going on. Knowledge is power, and that is the ultimate reason this administration is so secretive. They understand that if they keep the populace in the dark, and it's easier to manipulate them.

Jay
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Jay, first of all more people get there news from the internet now than print media and if you can't stay abreast of current events on the internet then take a class or something! As you well know most of the cornnuts here get their news from left wing wacko web-sites rather than print media. This is a weak agrument for a defense of Mr Corn.

LBH
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Sympathy and empathy for JonBenet's family? Some things just go without saying, don't they?

Jay

Yes, just as sympathy or empathy for human suffering in Iraq does as wel, don't they?

LBH

well alan, some of them DO lie.
for example; the wtc2 supposedly collapsed in 10 seconds due to "truss failure".
(actually it exploded into dust.)
but here is photographic evidence that they lied about trusses.

#18 Saladin

It does cause one to giggle. But not.

War profiteers count cash, not lives. How freakin' sad and utterly inhuman.

Gerald, yes. your predictions are coming true.

My email is still fk'd up. I can read 'em, but I can't send. Think I'll answer Capt's this way then.

You think I am some kind of little pussy-boy that has issues saying what I feel about you or anybody?

uh huh, that's exactly what you are Little prissy comments like... "and he's smart too. fer shur!" Yeah, you're a pussy. I've seen a ton of sissies like you.

are officials somehow morally above lying?
how did they get to be officials in the first place?
i submit that lying is a prerequisite to being a govt official.

did they lie about WMD? or were they mistaken?
what else have they lied about?

Conversely, if, as you implied, the personnel in the armed services aren't deserving of empathy, and even sympathy at times, then you, sir, are the one who has lost credibility.

Jay

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em·pa·thy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mp-th)
n.
Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives.

sym·pa·thy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (smp-th)

A feeling or an expression of pity or sorrow for the distress of another; compassion or commiseration.

I do not in any way shape or form pretend to know what our troops have been through or how they feel since I was not there. What I do offer is unconditional love and support.

speaking of little girls being raped, what about the little iraqi girl who was raped, her family killed and then set on fire by a US soldier while his peers did nothing but watch?

Posted by James ha

Dude, do you have that on video? You little sicko perv you! he he he

CNN.com - NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional - Aug 17, 2006

are officials somehow morally above lying?
how did they get to be officials in the first place?

Why yes we are James. We became officials by convincing the gullible to vote for us and inhaling helped a little to.

Gerald, yes. your predictions are coming true.

posted by Carey

Dude, Carey's got the hots for ya old man! Better stock up on the Viagra! he he he

As a human being, I can both empathize and sympathize with others without having been in their exact situations. I can identify with human suffering and sympathize with human losses because I can and do understand and because we share the common thread of humanity. Do I do so at the same depth of someone that has first-hand experience? Of course not. But that doesn't diminish my those feelings.

By the way, I get my information from a variety of sources, one of which is the internet, or how else would I be on this web site? But not ALL people have access to or utilize the internet. I watch Fox news, MSNBC, C-Span, CNN, and the mainstream media, etc. I read Newsweek, Time, several newspapers. I read blogs. I listen to Limbaugh, NPR, and when I can, even Air America.

So what was your point again? Oh, yes. Human respect for a family that wants "closer." You called me judge and jury because I want to wait and see what the evidence is in this matter. I would not hesitate to say that you would be very happy to have someone just like me to serve on your jury--you know--someone who can step back from the emotions and let the facts decide the case. I know I surely would not want someone such as you on my jury.

JonBenet deserves coverage, but not to the exclusion of all else, and certainly not to the exclusion of coverage of the Iraq war.

I too love and support our troops. I root for our home football team to win even when I abhor the coach; I likewise root for our country to win even when I cannot tolerate the president. I am capable of separating politics from people, even if you are not.

the ramsey family will get their closure when it's all over -
the raped iraqi girl - who was set on fire by US soldier to cover his crime - and her murdered family, got their closure when they were murdered.

I believe this little girl and her family got a fair share of front page news and TV time, yes? Why ask a stupid question?
Posted by: LBH at August 17, 2006 02:25 PM

How much is her 'fair share' according to you who believes she got enough?. . . I ask of the person who thinks the Joan Benet girl didn't get enough and the Iraq war has gotten too much.

You are not just a whiner you are a major league dumbfuck. Here's your binky and don't forget to tell a grownup when you have to go to the bathroom so you don't mess your underpants.

Robert Fisk: Lebanon's pain grows by the hour as death toll hits 1,300
Published: 17 August 2006
They are digging them up by the hour, the swelling death toll of the Lebanon conflict. The American poet Carl Sandburg spoke of the dead in other wars and imagined that he was the grass under which they would be buried. "Shovel them under and let me work," he said of the dead of Ypres and Verdun. But across Lebanon, they are systematically lifting the tons of rubble of old roofs and apartment blocks and finding families below, their arms wrapped around each other in the moment of death as their homes were beaten down upon them by the Israeli air force. By last night, they had found 61 more bodies, taking the Lebanese dead of the 33-day war to almost 1,300.
In Srifa, south of the Litani river, they found 26 bodies beneath ruins which I myself stood on just three days ago. At Ainata, there were eight more bodies of civilians. A corpse was discovered beneath a collapsed four-storey house north of Tyre and, near by, the remains of a 16-year old girl, along with three children and an adult. In Khiam in eastern Lebanon, besieged by the Israelis for more than a month, the elderly village "mukhtar" was found dead in the ruins of his home. Not all the dead were civilians. At Kfar Shuba, dumper-truck drivers found the bodies of four Hizbollah members. At Roueiss, however, all 13 bodies found in the wreckage of eight 10-storey buildings were civilians. They included seven children and a pregnant woman. Ten more bodies were disentangled from the rubble of the southern suburbs of Beirut - where local people claimed they could still hear the screams of neighbours trapped far below the bomb-smashed apartment blocks. The Lebanese civil defence organisation - almost as brave as the Lebanese Red Cross in trying to save lives under fire - believe at least three families may be trapped in basements deep below the wreckage.
Ignoring the dangers of unexploded ordnance, several Lebanese Shia Muslims returned to their destroyed homes to retrieve personal belongings - including family snapshots and albums that contain the narrative of their lives - only to fall between gaps in the broken apartment blocks and plunge dozens of feet into the darkness beneath. Among the last to die only minutes before the UN ceasefire came into effect was a child who was found in her dead mother's arms in Beirut. How many of these dead would have survived if George Bush and Tony Blair had demanded an immediate ceasefire weeks ago will never be known. But many would have had the chance of life had Western governments not regarded this dirty war as an "opportunity" to create a "new" Middle East by humbling Iran and Syria.

I can identify with human suffering and sympathize with human losses because I can and do understand and because we share the common thread of humanity.

Jay

Wow! If only you could teach this to Mr Corn! I have no problem with yor empathy or sympathy, only Mr Corns! You seem to want to pick a fight where there isn't one!

LBH

I too love and support our troops. I root for our home football team to win even when I abhor the coach; I likewise root for our country to win even when I cannot tolerate the president. I am capable of separating politics from people, even if you are not.

Jay

Tell that to cornnut James Ha who thinks all military people are murders, not me!

I also rooted for our home team in Bosnia when Clinton was a pretend President. I didn't buy into all the kooky right wing conspiracy theories about Clinton even if he was a lousy leader and our military despised him.

Just a hunch...that's so funny.

You are not just a whiner you are a major league dumbfuck. Here's your binky and don't forget to tell a grownup when you have to go to the bathroom so you don't mess your underpants.

O'Reilly, I mean DOODY - SHUUUUUUT UP ALREADY!

the ramsey family will get their closure when it's all over -
the raped iraqi girl - who was set on fire by US soldier to cover his crime - and her murdered family, got their closure when they were murdered.

James ha

You're such a twisted f**k! How do we know it wasn't one of your Shite relatives that murdered the family to make it look like our guys did it?

JonBenet deserves coverage, but not to the exclusion of all else, and certainly not to the exclusion of coverage of the Iraq war.

Jay

I agree!

Mr Corn believes Iraq should be covered to the exclusion of all other coverage including Jon Bonet.

Mr Corn believes Iraq should be covered to the exclusion of all other coverage including Jon Bonet.
Posted by: LBH at August 17, 2006 04:24 PM

Where does Corn say that in the post?

O'Reilly, I mean DOODY,

I don't want to play with you anymore! You bore me, now run along and be a good boy!

Mr Corn says:

"If we leave [Iraq] before the mission is complete, if we withdraw, the enemy will follow us home."

The enemy is already at home. AKA -Cornnuts inc.

The UN at it's best and where was Clinton?

Shake Hands With the Devil (Kofi) The Failure of Humanity in Rwanda

Random House Canada ^ | October 2003 | Written by Romeo Dallaire

When Lt-Gen. Roméo Dallaire received the call to serve as force commander of the UN intervention in Rwanda in 1993, he thought he was heading off on a modest and straightforward peacekeeping mission. Thirteen months later he flew home from Africa, broken, disillusioned and suicidal, having witnessed the slaughter of 800,000 Rwandans in only a hundred days. In Shake Hands with the Devil, he takes the reader with him on a return voyage into the hell of Rwanda, vividly recreating the events the international community turned its back on. This book is an unsparing eyewitness account of the failure by humanity to stop the genocide, despite timely warnings.

Woven through the story of this disastrous mission is Dallaire’s own journey from confident Cold Warrior, to devastated UN commander, to retired general engaged in a painful struggle to find a measure of peace, reconciliation and hope. This book is General Dallaire’s personal account of his conversion from a man certain of his worth and secure in his assumptions to a man conscious of his own weaknesses and failures and critical of the institutions he’d relied on. It might not sit easily with standard ideas of military leadership, but understanding what happened to General Dallaire and his mission to Rwanda is crucial to understanding the moral minefields our peacekeepers are forced to negotiate when we ask them to step into the world’s dirty wars.

Excerpt from Shake Hands with the Devil My story is not a strictly military account nor a clinical, academic study of the breakdown of Rwanda. It is not a simplistic indictment of the many failures of the UN as a force for peace in the world. It is not a story of heroes and villains, although such a work could easily be written. This book is a cri de coeur for the slaughtered thousands, a tribute to the souls hacked apart by machetes because of their supposed difference from those who sought to hang on to power. . . . This book is the account of a few humans who were entrusted with the role of helping others taste the fruits of peace. Instead, we watched as the devil took control of paradise on earth and fed on the blood of the people we were supposed to protect.

Good lord LBH,are you on Karl Rove's payroll? If you are, you definitely qualify for overtime pay. Get a real job. What does LBH stand for? Libby, Bolton, Hastert?

"It was a variation of an old argument: we're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here. But there's a problem. Who's the them?"

Not only is that a problem, but there's another, more serious logic error going on here. According to the Bush way of thinking, if we had invaded Iraq years earlier, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City would still be standing.

It's all smoke and mirrors, and the really scary part is, I think Bush is just about stupid enough to fall for it.

Buried in David's fine piece is a fact that I've been screaming ever since the whole British plot was revealed. How can staying the course (or winning by adapting) in Iraq help prevent incidents like this? We're already in Iraq and yet, this cell managed to get pretty far in it's planning. Our soldiers in harms way played no role at all in discovering or foiling the plot. Somehow I think I'd feel safer if the National Guard was downtown guarding the port rather than patrolling Baghdad.

yes.maybe the follow is right.
Not only is that a problem, but there's another, more serious logic error going on here. According to the Bush way of thinking, if we had invaded Iraq years earlier, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City would still be standing.