July 20, 2006What a PotLet's stir the pot. That, in essence, was the neocon-influenced policy of the Bush administration regarding the Middle East. Well, the pot stirreth over. Iraq is a land of chaos and killing, and the Middle East is closer to regional war. Where is that pro-Western, pro-Israel government in Baghdad that Ahmad Chalabi was supposed to create? That plan didn't quite make it. (Chalabi gathered less than 1 percent of the vote in the last election.) These days, the Shiite-dominated, Iran-friendly Iraqi government--supported and protected by the United States with American lives and dollars--expresses support for Hezbollah. Wasn't it one prewar beef against Saddam Hussein that he supported anti-Israel terrorists? It's getting harder by the day to argue that the invasion of Iraq (whether justified or not) has been good for the Middle East. Sectarian violence is claiming thousands of civilian lives a month in Iraq. The sectarian attacks are simply horrific--and worsening. Iran has increased its influence in the region. The United States now has diminished sway (and is doing nothing, it seems, to achieve a ceasefire in Lebanon and Israel). The central flash point of the Middle East has erupted into a war. The revived democracy in Lebanon is being blasted away. And with the United States stuck in Iraq, for the foreseeable future, Bush and his key aides avoid any real discussion of the deteriorating situation there. Today's Washington Post has a front-page piece noting that even--even--a few Republicans are beginning to murmur that the war in Iraq is a mess. Representative Gil Gutknecht. a Minnesota GOPer, recently returned from Baghdad and said what others who have been there recently have told me: conditions are far worse "than we'd been led to believe." And he's now calling for immediate withdrawals of troops. Will Karl Rove and leading GOPers accuse him of being a spineless and defeatist cut-and-runner, as they have with Representative Jack Murtha, Senator John Kerry, and other Democrats who have counseled disengagement? You can only ignore reality for so long--though Bush and his aides have done a pretty good job pushing the limit. And they're lucky: the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah (and Hamas) is distracting attention from the daily tragedies and dilemmas of Iraq. But some Republicans are worried. (The Post cites a few others.) They might be nervous due to the coming congressional elections. But perhaps they are also troubled by what is happening--and not happening--in Iraq and cannot go along with Rove's political strategy: embrace the war and attack the critics as gutless cowards. They can see the pot is boiling over--and no one in charge (in Washington or Baghdad) knows how to turn off the stove. Posted by David Corn at July 20, 2006 02:45 PM | ||||




Comments
En garde! Touche. Corn speaks and it's another thesis worthy of Phi Beta Kappa status.
Posted by: O'Reilly at July 20, 2006 02:52 PM
DARN IT!
I just posted something similar, but not as detailed on the last thread on the Neocon contribution to all of this bloodthirsty screaming and war-ranting.
I'm too lazy to repeat it all. Too hot and humid. YES MR. CORN, EXACTLY!
I was referring to Gerald's comment at #19 in the previous thread, on all of this being part of the agenda of the New World Order. That's it in a nutshell. We can get bogged down in the details. This is all part of a bigger plan. Please go back and read it. It's at the end.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 03:07 PM
DARN IT! I just posted something similar on the last thread, just not as detailed on the neocon contribution to all of this.
I'm too lazy to try to rewrite it. Too hot and humid. EXACTLY MR. CORN!
Please go back and read it if you like. What I was addressing was Gerald's comment at #19, on this whole thing being part of the agenda of the New World Order.
We can easily get bogged down in the bloody, horrendous details. This whole shibang has been a long time coming. Many of us predicted this upheaval at just this time-mid-July.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 03:13 PM
Okay, let's hope the third times a charm. I'm having problems posting on this new thread.
DARN IT? I just finished posting at #228 on the previous thread. EXACTLY MR. CORN!
I'm too lazy to try to rewrite. It's just too hot and humid. Please go back and read it if you like. Basically, I was agreeing with David C. and Gerald at #19 on the previous thread. It's the agenda of the New World Order. Most of us predicted just this kind of global upheaval at precisely this time-mid July.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 03:24 PM
Okay, judging from the fact that four comments are named posted here, some of my (repetative) posts are being registered but not showing up on my computer.
Is there a technical problem. This is my fourth attempt.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 03:27 PM
Stop Carey, all of your posts are showing up, repetitively!
Actually i don't think they are looking at the boiling pot; they have left the building and are waiting for it to burn down and then they hope they can put that fire out and salvage the resources and move onto the next one. I am waiting to see just what messages Russia and China begin to send out. We can understand the US/Israel need to avoid discussing their war crimes and crimes against humanity. Will Russia and China wish to make an issue of it all, or just let the US aggregation continue to melt away into slag and tailings.
Posted by: spyder at July 20, 2006 03:33 PM
Mr. David Corn,
Great post!
"You can only ignore reality for so long"
They are staying ignorant until after the midterms. Then with the stolen neocon landslide it will not matter, reality will have been trumped. Christmas time pardons for all of the criminals. A banner year for dictators and fools!
I hope I am wrong.
Thanks for all of your work!
Kirk
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 03:34 PM
I love stirring the pot. Here is the first of a five part stir.
Corporations and Persons
I watched Television Ontario (TVO). The program title was Ҕhe Corporation РThe Pathology of CommerceӮ The program mentioned that the Supreme Court ruled that a corporation is a person than surely a person is a person. The program highlighted a checklist for mental disorders. Since a corporation can be considered a person, the mental disorder checklist can be applied.
Here is the checklist.
1. Callousness toward people
2. Impersonal relationships with people
3. Disregard for the safety of others
4. Deceitfulness
5. Incapacity to experience guilt
6. Failure to comply toward social norms to benefit people
From the checklist corporations displayed a psychopathic mental disorder. If we use the same checklist for our two highest leaders, then we would have to conclude that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney display the same mental disorder. It would be my perception that the above two men are unfit to be president and vice-president, respectively. They hold too much power for men who have a possible mental disorder.
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 03:36 PM
Part 2
Planet Inc.
Corporations and people make money during crises, such as war, corporate corruption, etc. Corporations are benefiting themselves against the common good. Privatization takes from the public trust and gives to corporations and influential people. Our lives will be at the mercy of these corporations and the powerful money people. The powerbrokers are interested in private ownership for everything on this planet, such as water, air, land, forests, etc. You will have to pay the corporation for everything.
Corporations want mindless consumers and advertising attempts to control the mindless consumer. Corporations are not good apostles they are predators. Shareholders want money and not corporate apostles. Corporations advertise a way of life and not a product.
Corporations encourage tax cuts, tax havens, and avoidance of taxes. Every part of our planet will be parceled to corporations.
You cannot patent life and yet, the Supreme Court ruled that you can patent life. Life, today, is a utility to be patented by corporations and research companies, such as cloning and gene alterations. Moral issues are of no concern to corporations.
The Federal Drug Administration goes along with corporations regardless of the research findings. Corporate ownership will broadcast anything and everything they want whether or not the information or research is factual for people and their health. Corporations want profits and not health.
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 03:40 PM
Part 3
The Battle
Television Ontario (TVO) had a series on television entitled, Ҕhe battle for the world economyӮ Globalization is tying the world together. Trade is an issue. Foreign governments want free trade because it means jobs for the foreign worker and less jobs for the America worker. Thirty percent of the information engineers are from India. There are two hundred thousand Indian engineers in Silicon Valley. Economic reforms lifted three hundred million Chinese out of poverty. America needs economic reforms to bring our citizens out of poverty. Why canմ we lift millions of Americans out of poverty? Why do Americans refuse to help other Americans? Why canմ America have economic reforms?
The second part of the battle for the world economy discusses the question, ҉s terrorism the dark side of globalization?Ӡ The global economy has problems that ripple across all countries. Quick economic reforms are necessary to avoid a crisis. Cheap labor overseas causes problems in America. World trade has many problems. Trade markets need to be fair. It seems that poverty is worse today. Terrorism will be the new Nazism and the new Communism in the poor countries. People need to prosper in order to prevent terrorism from growing throughout the world. It is no accident that Nazism grew in Germany.
Peace is important in an interconnected world. Poverty opens the doors to terrorists. The gap must narrow between the rich and the poor nations in order to deter the spread of terrorism. Trade markets work best in times of peace. Terrorists create instability and they will continue to work for instability of trade markets. Terrorists promise dissenters a better life. Globalization has created less Nazism and less Communism but it has opened more doors for terrorism. Leaders in a global economy cannot have the diabolical characteristics of bush and cheney. World leaders do not trust bush and cheney. Both men are perceived as hateful and vengeful and we must remember that hatred begets hatred.
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 03:43 PM
Part 4
The Reckoning
The final program in a three part series on corporations discusses the question, "Should corporations be socially responsible?" The truth is that profits trump social responsibility. In 1989, corporations met to control the entire planet and its resources. Fifteen corporations want to control the entire planet. Corporations are privatizing the resources and selling it back to the people for whatever price it desires. For example one corporation privatized the water in an emerging country and the corporation demanded twenty-five percent of a persons daily wages for each day he wanted water.
Sixty-seven percent of the planet will not have fresh drinking water by 2025. Governments are powerless against corporations. In fact, corporations can overthrow governments.
Governments work with corporations to suppress dissenters. Dissenters are idealistic and corporations are realistic and the corporations are winning. Governments and corporations want to take away the people's freedoms and rights. Corporations with the help of governments are gaining more and more control over our lives. Three billion people are living in poverty. More children are being exploited as slave laborers by corporations in the emerging countries. Slavery continues in the world and in the United States of America.
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 03:46 PM
Part 5
Epilogue
In previous posts I have tried to share information on shalom, corporations, and the world economy. I hear people asking, "What does God want from our world?" As the Creator of the Universe, He wants all of us to share in what He has given us on this planet. He wants for us to embrace shalom in our practices and policies that includes everyone and excludes no one.
Corporations and governments must understand that we are all in it together. People are part of the equation to improve our world. Together we stand or together we will fall.
Fear keeps the masses under control. Corporations and governments keep the fear level high so that people will focus on each other and not the main problems that corporations and governments create to control the people. The people will be divided by the corporations and the governments and they will be too fearful to unite in order to have some influence over the decisions that are made by corporations and governments.
I cannot remember who said that when a person is down, you keep the person down and you can do whatever you want with the person who is down. People will be at the mercy of corporations and governments. When the Americans are DOWN, all the other citizens of the world WILL FALL INTO PLACE.
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 03:50 PM
# 7
I hope I am wrong.
Kirk
What do you mean by, "I hope I am wrong"?
You are ALWAYS WRONG. No hoping about it.
You do your best when you stop trying to think, and just stick with your fortune cookie cut & paste. At least with your cut & paste fortune cookie nonsense, we can be entertained without having to read your peculiar, ludicrous thoughts.
Posted by: cookie at July 20, 2006 03:51 PM
Thousands of civilian lives a month?????? Where does this crackpot get his facts? Mr. corn, you sound like a complete moron, catering to the gutless liberals.
Posted by: sam at July 20, 2006 03:52 PM
Gerald
SHUT THE HELL UP --- YOU MENTALLY DEFECTIVE SATAN LOVING NAZI !!!
Posted by: Jesus at July 20, 2006 03:55 PM
What would Jesus say? Would he say, "SHUT THE HELL UP --- YOU MENTALLY DEFECTIVE SATAN LOVING NAZI !!!" I don't think so.
Whether one is a christian or not, this post is a vulgar as my post that resulted in a yellow card.
Please learn to restrain your hatred for people who blog here.
Posted by: Happy and oh so right at July 20, 2006 04:00 PM
Gerald
Here is the checklist.
1. Callousness toward people
2. Impersonal relationships with people
3. Disregard for the safety of others
4. Deceitfulness
5. Incapacity to experience guilt
6. Failure to comply toward social norms to benefit people
CONGRATULATIONS, Gerald, you just described yourself,
or at least the way you seem to be by your mean attacks on Our GREAT President BUSH, who is without doubt the best, most honest, and caring President , in the past 200 years, outside of, President Ronald Reagan.
Posted by: Jesus at July 20, 2006 04:06 PM
20 Sunnis kidnapped and Iraq official slain
In a report released Monday, the United Nations said 2,669 civilians were killed in May and 3,149 were killed in June. The report charts a month-by- month increase in the number of civilians killed, from 710 in January to 1,129 in April. In the first six months of the year, it said 14,338 people had been killed.
More HERE
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I know math is hard work but check your facts before spouting off and just sounding stupid.
Here I will help - 14,338/6 months = 2,389
That four digit number means thousands. I do not think "moron" is a word you for you to throw around loosely. The numbers will blow up in your face, metaphorically.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 04:06 PM
David Corn,
Your post is right on. As I read it I shake in my boots. What I see are several wildfires in the middle east that are converging into one and who do we have to put out the fire?
Two of the most messianic, fully loaded powers in the world. Their idea of fire retardent is gasoline, a light, and a lot of wind.
Where does it end? I have no idea. What I do know is that there is no reasonable excuse for what is going on and has been going on for years in Palestine or Lebanon. It is criminal. Why we stand by and accept it is beyond me. It will come back to haunt us in this country. We have an obligation as a super power. George Bush and his crew need to be governmentally neutered. Take their leadership abilities away. They have proven over and over they are not capable enough to serve.
THIS IS A DISASTER.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 04:06 PM
They can see the pot is boiling over--and no one in charge (in Washington or Baghdad) knows how to turn off the stove.
why never the calling of a spade a spade?
you are "assuming" that turning off the stove is the goal. as long as the stove is on full, chaos can reign and the war machine can continue. war, while being very costly to the people who actually do the dying as well as the people who do the paying for it financially, is very profitable for the war machine itself.
Posted by: spy on this! at July 20, 2006 04:10 PM
16 happy
I don't think so
Please learn to restrain your hatred for people who blog here.
When you refrain from the same thing against President Bush, I will stop using YOUR tactics on you and the others who do the same on this blog.
Posted by: jesus at July 20, 2006 04:12 PM
Cookie,
I have never seen a post from that handle, so I will help you gain some credibility here very quickly!
"You are ALWAYS WRONG"
I am sure you mean my predictions but either way. Can you refer to a specific post to support your comment? I am positive you would not make such a claim without something to back it up? That would be just spew, no?
I predict you cannot find a post with a wrong prediction, the balance of my posts are opinion and as such are neither right or wrong just a conclusion based on what I have read. Most posts are linked to an article that effected or supports my conclusion.
So, take your time and prove me wrong. It is a little work but I bet the results will be rewarding.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 04:12 PM
"Every American reader is familiar with the story of the sufferings of the patriot army at Valley Forge.
To this valley among the hills that border the winding Schuylkill, some twenty miles from Philadelphia, Washington led his half-clad army of eleven thousand men about the middle of December, 1777. As the men marched to this retreat their route could be traced in the snow by the blood that had oozed from broken shoes. On reaching the place they found it shelterless, and for two weeks they toiled in the bitter weather, building huts in which to spend the winter. Many were without blankets, and had to sit by the fire all night to keep from freezing.
Washington informed Congress, on December 23, that he had in camp 2,898 men 'unfit for duty because they are barefoot, and otherwise naked.' The rudely built hospitals were soon crowded with the sick and dying. Some died for want of straw to make a bed on the frozen ground, others for want of sufficient nourishment.
'The unfortunate soldiers were in want of everything,' wrote Lafayette years afterward; 'they had neither coats, hats, shirts, nor shoes, their feet and legs froze till they became black, and it was often necessary to amputate them.' Thus that long and dreary winter was spent by the patriots who won for us the independence of America, and the fewness of the desertions of that trying hour attest the depths of their patriotism."
THIS IS WHERE DAVID AND THE REST OF THE CORNUTS WOULD HAVE SURRENDERED, AND WE WOULD ALL BE SPEAKING WITH ENGLISH ACCENTS.
Posted by: factchecker at July 20, 2006 04:16 PM
14 Thousands of civilian lives a month?????? Where does this crackpot get his facts? Mr. corn, you sound like a complete moron, catering to the gutless liberals.
Posted by: sam at July 20, 2006 03:52 PM
Dear Sam,
I dont know where Mr. David Corn (Phi Betta Kappa Brown University) gets his facts about civilian deaths in Iraq but a quick google search produces this result:
12,617 deaths from 20th March 2005 to 1st March 2006 (346 days: Year 3).
In terms of average violent deaths per day this represents:
20 per day in Year 1
31 per day in Year 2 and
36 per day in Year 3.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/press/pr13.php
Would you like the opportunity to reconsider your assessment of him as a moron, catering to the gutless liberals.
When you question your opponents grasp of the facts, and choose to paste him as a moron catering to whatever interest, you should check your facts first. Otherwise, it is you who will look like the moron, blindly serving whatever interest you serve.
I don't think you are a moron. I think you are ignorant.
Posted by: O'Reilly at July 20, 2006 04:18 PM
In 1994 I had a massive heart attack. My cardiologist said to me that I beat the odds. When a person has a brush with death, he may ask himself, "What does God want from me or why did God let me live?" I believe, yes, I truly believe that God wants me to share information. Hopefully, the information will be helpful. My place is to do what I can in a small way to try and make our Earth, a Heaven on Earth. I believe the message that God wants for His children is LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. That is the message that I wish to convey.
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 04:22 PM
I might add that George Bush who is willing to sit back and watch the fighting in Lebanon for another week went AWOL during his service to country. Cheney had more deferments than a dog has ticks.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 04:23 PM
The Mid East Pot isn't boiling over, it's just the Pot having gotten a lot bigger and the simmering is more visible.
Now, we are in the Pot as well (libs DO remember Sept. 11, 2001?).... let's call it the Pot War on Terror. There are reliable old players like al-Quada, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Israel and Syria but also, since 9/11, new players like US, Britain, Australia, Canada, Indonesia, India, Iraq, Russia, etc. An ecletic Pot of countries with diverse viewpoints but all suffering from terrorism!
The Pre-9/11 USA was mostly a spectator, an occassional missle launcher but consistent cut-and-runner (Lebanon & Somalia).
Like so many contentious things in our world, until something blows up, all political parties, AND most people, just can't put down their differences and reach compromises! Human nature!
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O'Reilly, you ought to be as proud as me that people like to spoof you!
Posted by: Happy and always right at July 20, 2006 04:24 PM
Britain fears assault on Hezbollah will backfire
Video HERE
BRITAIN fears that Israel's assault on Hezbollah is failing to cripple the guerrilla group and that continued bombardment will bring huge civilian casualties in Lebanon for little military gain.
The rising concern that any further Israeli military action could intensify the crisis, expressed by senior officials yesterday, strikes a much more urgent tone than the American position, which accepts a continued Israeli campaign to crush the Shia militant group.
Yesterday was the heaviest day for civilian casualties since Israel's bombardment began last week, with at least 63 killed and scores more wounded. A total of 315 Lebanese, mostly civilians, have been killed and hundreds injured since the start of the Israeli offensive.
More HERE
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Of course it will backfire? Or is it still a "backfire" if chaos is the goal?
The WORST case scenario for the warmongers is if peace accidentally breaks out all over. That is the only way their "plan" will fail. Small risk of that, eh?
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 04:26 PM
Apparently, the trolls are here to defend the honor of POTUS. If POTUS is honorable, his honor does not need to be defended, If he is not honorable, his actions and policies speak for themselves.
Conservtive bloggers call liberals hypocrite, moron, gutless, coward, traitor, with us or against us, anti-american, and mulsim convert.
I fail to understand why Corn tolerates the name-calling by some and not by others.
Posted by: Happy to be counted at July 20, 2006 04:31 PM
#26 Jeanne, I love your post!
Gutless George and the impregnator Dick had better things to do.
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 04:33 PM
To bad Arabs ain't embryos.
Israeli aggression on Lebanon
Gruesome pictures, not work friendly.
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Posted by: Me at July 20, 2006 04:33 PM
the moron terror
Posted by: spy on this! at July 20, 2006 04:35 PM
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I fail to understand why Corn tolerates the name-calling by some and not by others.
Posted by: Happy to be counted at July 20, 2006 04:31 PM
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No one expects you to understand. BUT, I understand completely!
Posted by: Happy to Happy at July 20, 2006 04:35 PM
Your Christian President
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 04:35 PM
Hot pot. On HuffingtonPost, "Death toll from US heat wave rises..."
And next year? The year thereafter?
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 04:36 PM
AND WE WOULD ALL BE SPEAKING WITH ENGLISH ACCENTS.
Posted by: factchecker at July 20, 2006 04:16 PM
You're saying liberals would have quit or lost? Good one FC.
= = = = =
Try this one out, if the Bush's grandfather had his way, we'd still be doing business with NAZI germany and speaking german.
Posted by: Happy to be counted at July 20, 2006 04:38 PM
The Real George W. Bush
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 04:38 PM
I understand completely!
Posted by: Happy to Happy at July 20, 2006
Explain it if you are so inclined, enlightened one.
Posted by: Happy to be counted at July 20, 2006 04:39 PM
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the moron terror
Posted by: spy on this! at July 20, 2006 04:35 PM
good one spy. (shhh. neither one of us is here.)
Posted by: Happy to be counted at July 20, 2006 04:41 PM
What Me Worry
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 04:41 PM
The War on Dissent
Bovard casts light upon the innumerable constitutional infringements on free speech, political freedom and unreasonable searches in his chapter entitled, A War on Dissent. In 2001, Attorney General Ashcroft bluntly declared, "[T]o those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies and pause to America's friends." These carefully developed remarks signaled to many that "the Bush administration would take a far more hostile view toward critics than did recent presidents," surmises Bovard. "The Secret Service has done all it could to vindicate such fears." Bovard painstakingly documents abuses perpetuated against citizens whether from the left or the right whose only crime is publicly expressing their discontent with the Bush administration. Dissenters are compelled to abdicate the streets when the President appeared and they are herded away into so-called "free speech zones." After the Burley prosecution and subsequent imprisonment of one man for not being in the zone, Rep. Ron Paul (R -TX) made a passionate denunciation of this travesty where the federal government attempts to proscribe zones where "constitutional freedoms" are applicable. The whole United States is a "free speech zone!"
Posted by: Happy to be counted at July 20, 2006 04:45 PM
Disorderly Conduct
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 04:46 PM
Bus Is Certifiable
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 04:48 PM
"Some people have so much respect for their superiors they have none left for themselves." ~ Peter McArthur
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 04:50 PM
some people.
Posted by: Happy to be counted at July 20, 2006 04:52 PM
"Its utterly impossible for me to build my life on a foundation of chaos, suffering and death. I see the world being slowly transformed into a wilderness, I hear the approaching thunder that, one day, will destroy us too, I feel the suffering of millions. And yet, when I look up at the sky, I somehow feel that everything will change for the better, that this cruelty too shall end, that peace and tranquility will return once more."
~ Anne Frank (1929 - 1945), Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl, July 15, 1944
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 04:53 PM
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair."
~ Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), Mostly Harmless
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 04:54 PM
Bush is certifiable.
The Madness of George W. Bush
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 04:57 PM
I Concur
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 05:07 PM
The Mine Canary Croaks
So it's official: Ralph Reed's planned stroll through the nothing-burger office of Lieutenant Governor of Georgia en route to a rendezvous with destiny in some future presidential race went horribly off track. In yesterday's Georgia primary, Ralph got stomped by state senator Casey Cagle, who made Reed's various ethical challenges the centerpiece of his campaign.
We can happily forget about Ralph for the foreseeable future. The supposed master of conservative voter mobilization can't win a low-turnout primary in his own state. The billing rate for his political consulting services just took a big dive.
But beyond Ralph's own richly deserved fate, his defeat shows that even among Republican primary voters, Republican scandals can produce a tangible electoral cost this year. He's the Abramoff Mine Canary, and he just croaked. Casino Jack's other buddies best take notice.
More HERE
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He makes a good point. It is encouraging to see that within the GOP primary the neocon-men are getting the boot in favor of new neocon-men.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 05:10 PM
No Bravery
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 05:10 PM
Jesus and Happy - you spineless cowards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You two are afraid to reveal your true names because you two have NO SPINE!
Posted by: Rob at July 20, 2006 05:16 PM
America's Moral Decline
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 05:17 PM
Our Dangerous Times
Today's conservatives are eager to trade freedom for security.
On June 23, the New York Times and other papers revealed that the Bush administration has been vacuuming up records passing through a Belgian hub for international banking. According to Treasury Undersecretary Stuart Levey, the United States government may have conducted "hundreds of thousands" of warrantless searches of personal financial data.
Some government lawyers doubt the legality of the program, and administration officials told the Los Angeles Times that it had only been "marginally successful" at going after al-Qaeda.
No matter. The expos? set off perhaps the biggest boom in conservative press-bashing since Watergate.
The White House quickly re-labeled the surveillance program the "Terrorist Finance Tracking Program" and with near unanimity, the Right fell into line. President Bush angrily declared, "the disclosure of this program is disgraceful ... for people to leak that program, and for a newspaper to publish it, does great harm to the United States of America." Vice President Cheney asserted that the Times article "made it more difficult for us to prevent attacks in the future" and "will enable the terrorists to look for ways to defeat our efforts."
More HERE
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Just the opposite of the founding fathers?
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 05:18 PM
Comon Jesus and Happy!! Come out of the closet and reveal your true names and be proud conservatives.
I'm a proud middle of the left leaning independant and show my blue, red and white colors event hough I am not happy about what is happening in the Middle East, supporting Iraq and Isreal in the name of freedom and oil! Where are the WMD????????????????
Posted by: rOB at July 20, 2006 05:18 PM
David: They can see the pot is boiling over--and no one in charge (in Washington or Baghdad) knows how to turn off the stove.
There IS no one in charge in Washington. Bush has abandoned the White House and has taken refuge in the Ministry of Morality. He never really felt comfortable in the big house anyway. He was finding excuses to escape it even as far back as August 2001 when, after being told Bin Laden was planning an attack in the U.S., he holed up in his Crawford dude ranch for another 3 weeks, fishing and clearing brush.
Dereliction of duty? That applies only to those who feel any sense of duty.
It's yet another irony that the president who insists that we don't really need government has demonstrated -- through his inability to provide it -- just how essential government is.
Posted by: Drewp at July 20, 2006 05:23 PM
Drewp,
Profound!
Ministry of Morality - so good on so many levels.
Thanks
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 05:26 PM
Let's get Jesus back
Bill Moyers' speech was one of the best speeches I have ever read. It was a powerful speech. As I read his speech, I wrote notes to help me highlight his words. There are many powerful ideas and so I can only share what gave me important ideas and thoughts.
Let's get Jesus back!
There are different kinds of religious denominations but even each denomination has their difference. Religion is both healing and killing. Each denomination acts like sibling rivals for God's favors. Are we killing for the glory of God? We seem to be applying military principles to evangelism. We invade countries and we say we are carrying out spiritual battles for the souls of this nation and the world. Can killing human beings save your soul? Killing human beings in the name of God will not save our souls. We are fighting current wars in the name of Jesus (that is blasphemy). General Boykin has said, "Bush was appointed by God" (blasphemy).
William Penn, a Quaker, said, "To be furious in religion is to be furiously irreligious."
The healing side of religion must overcome the killing side of religion. There are two Americas today. Laws are passed that says leave no rich child behind! Yet, we have poverty among married couples and single parent families. We have to run harder to just stay even. We cannot keep running.
Rich Americans have hardened their attitude toward poor people and middle class persons. The American system is rigged against the poor and the middle class. The Commonwealth Foundation Center for the Renewal of American Democracy has documented research that working families and the poor are losing ground under economic pressures that deeply affect household stability, family dynamics, social mobility, political participation, and civic life. Private control is taking over land, water, natural resources, media, scientific discovery, medical breakthroughs, and politics. Money is changing America. People are pre-occupied with money and the quest for money. Money has democracy in a stranglehold and is suffocating it. Money influences Washington, D.C.
Learned Hand said, "If we are to keep our democracy, there must be one commandment. Thou shall not ration justice." The rich do not have the right to buy more democracy than anyone else. Class war is going on from the rich upon the poor and the middle class (who has said that there is no class war). The rich are shredding the social safety nets. They want more and more control and wealth. Here is a fact. Most people will have to do with less so that big business can have more. Big business has built alliances with religious right and contrived a cultural war as a smokescreen to hide the economic plunder of the very people who enlisted as foot soldiers in the war.
William Buffet said, "There was a class war, my class won." Business wins for Bush. 50% of the tax cuts go to the 1% wealthiest Americans. Domestic social programs have been cut. The rich want to starve Americans into submission. America is home to the greatest inequality of wealth in the history of mankind. Government is being stripped of any power so the rich can be rewarded and the governmentճ only function is to wage wars so the rich can get richer. Tax cuts will force cutbacks in Social Security. This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.
Our democracy is degenerating into a shell of itself in which the privileged and powerful sustain their own way of life at the expense of other and the United States becomes another Latin America with small crest of the rich at the top governing a nation of serfs.
Poor are getting poorer, the health care crisis worsens, wealth and media become more and more concentrated, and Christianity lost its voice. The religious right has drowned everyone else out. Jesus was hijacked. This Jesus was hijacked by the religious right and became the guardian of privilege instead a champion of the dispossessed. Hijacked and made into a militarist, hedonist, and lobbyist (blasphemy) seeking tax breaks and loopholes for the powerful, costly new weapon programs that do not work, and punitive public policies.
Let's get Jesus back!
We need a Jesus who inspired
1. Edward Rogers to crusade across New England for an eight hour work day
2. Frances William to rise up against the sweatshops
3. John Ryan to champion child labor laws, unemployment insurance, a minimum wage and decent housing for the poor, ten years before the New Deal
4. Dorothy Day to challenge the Church to march alongside auto workers, fishermen, textile workers, brewery workers, and marble cutters
5. E.B. McKinney and Owen Whitfield to challenge a Mississippi system that kept sharecroppers in servitude and debt
6. A Presbyterian minister Eugene Carson Blake to protest racial injustice in Baltimore
7. Martin Luther King to join the sanitation workers for decent wages in Memphis
Now comes the resurrection all over again. Our times cry out for a new politics of justice. We need faith that takes on corruption of both parties. We need a faith that challenges complacency at all power. Jesus drove the moneychangers from the temple. We must drive them from the temples of democracy.
Let's get Jesus back!
But, let's do it in love!
Love gets thrown out casually these days. But the love I mean is the love described by Reinhold Neibuhr in his book of essays, Justice and Mercy, where he writes: "Basically love means being responsible, responsibility to our family, toward our civilization, and now by the pressures of history, toward the universe of mankind." Let us love our enemy, even as we resist his aggression. We cannot defeat terrorists if we become like them. We cannot stand up to the religious right if we imitate them.
Love is action, not sentiment. Who gave us the authority to change the meaning of the Church? How did we let creed override compassion? When the Church was young and fair, and the people passed by her doors, they did not comment on the difference or the doctrines. Those stern and taciturn pagans said of the Christians: "How they love another!" Peter said of the first Churches, "Above all things have unfailing love toward one another." Love covers a multitude of imperfections.
Glenn Tinder reminds us that "none are good but all are sacred." Life is not fair and it is never equal. The founders were speaking of powerful spiritual truth that is the heart of our hope for this country. They saw America as a great promise but America is a broken promise and we are here to do what we can to fix it. St. Augustine shows us how: "One loving soul sets another on fire." (Let us have loving souls so we can set America on fire with our love for each other.) To move beyond sentimentality, what begins in love must lead to justice. Your Call to Renewal is the fight of our lives. (More Christian blood will flow in the twenty-first century than the previous twenty centuries.)
Parentheses are my personal comments.
Let's get Jesus back comments
After reading Bill Moyers' speech, Let's get Jesus back, I tried to summarize his speech and hopefully, I was able to highlight some of his thoughts. Here are my personal thoughts of Bill Moyers' speech.
The religious right is not Christian because they are glorified with murders and wars. They are the killing side of religion. I sensed something was wrong but I could not put a handle on what was wrong. Bill Moyers clarified what was wrong in America. Rich Americans have hardened their attitude about the poor and the middle class. They hate the poor and the middle class. They have disrupted the families by making them more dysfunctional. Families cannot even live on two incomes. Greed has changed America.
There is only justice for the Bushes, big business, and the rich with the help of the religious right. There has been a class war that has been orchestrated by the rich to gain more wealth. There are no social safety nets for Americans. The Bushes, big business, and the rich do not want Americans safe; they want Americans fearful of their own shadow.
Bush will never leave the White House because business wins with Bush. There will be no presidential elections in 2008.
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 05:30 PM
We are becoming more like Latin America. No wonder why we have kept the School of the Americas for all these years. We were practicing so that Americans will be more like Latin Americans.
The Bushes, big business, and the rich with the aid of the religious right have hijacked Jesus and they have defamed Him.
America has a serious problem because both the democrats and the republicans are corrupt political parties. There is no one in either party that is inspired by Jesus to help make America, a better nation.
The Bushes, big business, and rich do not love. They hate the poor and the middle class. Christianity is dead in America because the religious right preaches bushianity, the faith of hatred, murders, torture, and wars. Americans are a lost people under the control of the Bushes, big business, and the rich.
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 05:37 PM
So, take your time and prove me wrong. It is a little work but I bet the results will be rewarding.
capt
Dude, how about: "Ignore trolls and scroll past their post" He he
OK, now what do I win for for proving you wrong, cuz this ain't so rewarding?
Posted by: Butt Head at July 20, 2006 05:38 PM
Poll: Lamont Has Narrow Lead
11:59 AM EDT, July 20, 2006
The Associated Press
HAMDEN, Conn. -- Sen. Joe Lieberman, under fire from activists in his own party, has lost ground to his challenger and is narrowly trailing him for the first time in their race for the Democratic nomination, a new poll released Thursday shows.
Businessman Ned Lamont had support from 51 percent and Lieberman from 47 percent of likely Democratic voters in the latest Quinnipiac University poll - a slight Lamont lead given the survey's sampling error margin of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
Lieberman had led in a Quinnipiac poll last month, 55 percent to 40 percent.
Posted by: Happy to be counted at July 20, 2006 05:39 PM
DICK CHAINEY HAS HAD MORE DEFERMENTS THAN A DOG HAS TICKS!!!
Posted by: Gerald at July 20, 2006 05:39 PM
TomPaine today has an article entitled "Earth faces 'catastrophic loss of species'". Global warming isn't helping there, either.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 05:39 PM
Misery rules in tomb of living dead
Today's conservatives are eager to trade freedom for security.
IN AN abandoned parking station on the outskirts of Beirut, about 4000 people have taken refuge four storeys underground. There is no sunlight, no fresh air, no phone signal.
The place is cut off, except for a staircase wide enough for one person at a time. Five giant air-conditioners circulate the stale air, which reeks of human waste. "People should not have to live here. It's inhumane," said one refugee, Raed Abbas. "We're like the walking dead, already buried underground even though we're still alive."
All around him, people were sprawled out on foam mattresses, straw mats and polyester blankets on Wednesday. Sick-looking children held on to mothers. Everyone seemed dazed.
Filling this garage with refugees is among the extreme measures Lebanese officials are taking to deal with the displacement of 500,000 people - one-eighth of the country's population - since fighting began on July 12.
More HERE
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I really think we tried the swatting mosquitoes with a sledge hammer. It does not work. It kills in groups that sometimes include none of the enemy.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 05:42 PM
Sorry about that spyder (#7).
I don't know what was going on. The posts weren't showing up on my end. I didn't know they were being registered.
#8 Capt
Sadly, you are right.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 05:44 PM
Global warming is making bird migrations go out of synch with the moths and catepillars on which the birds usually feed.
It is going to get worse.
UGH
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 05:45 PM
Well, now I've got the numbers wrong. It's 6 for spyder and 7 for Capt.
I'm doing great today. My computer's not being too friendly either.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 05:47 PM
Or the cateRpillars, maybe both?
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 05:47 PM
Rob,
That is not your real name. Prove it, you spineless coward. What is your address and phone number. What ---- to cowardly and spineless to tell?
PS
Gerald,
God didn't let you live .... Satan did, so you would continue doing his bidding.
Posted by: jesus at July 20, 2006 05:50 PM
#20 spy
Absolutely. They don't want to turn off the pot. They want to bomb Iran.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 05:51 PM
Carey, using Firefox, Ctrl-F5 does a screen refresh from the host site, rather than the locally cashed page. I assume that other browers have a similar feature.
Firefox sometimes goes beserk in either cpu or storage consumption. When this occurs, everything runs ultra-slow. There is nothing to do but take a coffee break or else kill the app and start over afresh.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 05:51 PM
#21 Jesus
Who do you think you are? God. Cut the crap.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 05:52 PM
Annan demands Lebanon ceasefire
Hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah militants in Lebanon must stop immediately, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has said.
He condemned Hezbollah for sparking the latest violence in the country, but also attacked Israel for what he called its "excessive use of force".
Hezbollah's leader insisted the Israeli soldiers his group was holding would only be freed in a prisoner exchange.
Meanwhile Israel said it had agreed to let international aid into Lebanon.
Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah appeared in an interview on al-Jazeera television on Thursday evening, a day after Israel said it had bombed a bunker in the south of Beirut where the Hezbollah chief might have been hiding.
More HERE
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Annan demands a ceasefire? Who does he think he is the president of some world body with a charter for resolving differences peacefully or something?
Jeeze, I hope he is ready for the neocon onslaught of smear and slime. Rove is off the leash, this could get ugly.
I would relocate if my office was in the top ten floors of the UN building. Just to be on the safe side.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 05:55 PM
#25 My dear Gerald
I enjoyed your early posts today about the psycology of corporations as persons are persons is a person. Ignore taunts. It seems war brings out the troll's true personalities.
What am I saying? They're never shy about being bloodthirsty little poopie-heads.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 05:57 PM
PLEASE Do NoT FeeD the TrollS! Help maintain blogging hygiene.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 05:58 PM
For Windows IE and MSN refresh - right click mouse and select "Refresh".
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 06:00 PM
Jeanne,
Precious line about Cheney having as many deferments as a dog has ticks.
Capt,
"Peace accidentally breaking out all over." One can't help but have a hardy laugh at that line.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 06:02 PM
#35 David B.
There you go!
I heard someone say the other day when asked if the Mideast turmoil was the beginning of Armageddon: "Hardly, you want to talk Armageddon, it's the beast of global warming."
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 06:07 PM
US calls for peacekeepers - but not yet
THE Bush Administration is working with allies to organise a military force and a civilian international presence in Lebanon to strengthen the government and break the grip of Hezbollah, US and foreign diplomats say.
The peacekeepers would be positioned along Lebanon's southern border in an effort to prevent Hezbollah attacks on Israel, while the civilian officials would be located elsewhere to halt the suspected flow of military equipment from Syria and Iran to Hezbollah, officials said.
The move came as the United Nations human rights chief said the scale of killing and maiming of civilians in Lebanon, Israel and the Palestinian territory pointed to possible war crimes.
The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Louise Arbour, said international humanitarian law was clear on the need to protect non-combatants. "This obligation is also expressed in international criminal law, which defines war crimes and crimes against humanity," she said.
More HERE
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Is sure sounds more like collective punishment and not military action.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 06:08 PM
Zeev Maoz, "Can Israel think before shooting" on AlterNet today.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 06:20 PM
David B. and Capt.
I did all of that earlier. I've lost the ability to link right now too. A coffe break was in order and I took it. Still no address bar. It'll return. It's done this twice before. I just need to fiddle and don't have the patience in this heat and news upheaval.
Capt. On Kofi Annan, all that was reported on his speech earlier today was his condemnation of Hezbollah. I had only caught glimpses of what he said, but I knew that couldn't be completely true. Annan, judging from everything he has said in the past, would have said something about Israel's rejection of the U.N. resolutions requiring Israel to adhere to the pre-1967 boundaries.
Or, for that matter, discussing what lead up to Hezbollah's rockets. Israel has crossed the Lebanese borders repeatedly to capture Hezbollah members. They have engaged in negotiations over and over with Hezbollah and Hamas about exchange of prisoners. Suddenly, no go on any negotiations. This was deliberate. They wanted a fight. They want Iran taken out. Cheney wants oil and Bush just wants a notch in his belt. After all, he talks to God. He, and only he, knows what is right, the Messianic little so and so.
Israel said something about letting international aid into Lebanon? There's a headline out now which I did not check out, saying that they're considering wiping Lebanon off the map!
How can international aid get to these poor people? There are no airports, roads, bridges or reserve gas tanks. On purpose.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 06:33 PM
A hot pot, or too many fires...
In a local paper today there is an Associated Press article about how Washington state berry farmers are losing their crops. Reason? No laborers. Why? Nobody, and I do mean nobody, local wants the work and there is no "guest worker" program in place.
So once again the *(&**&^% in the White House and Congress cann't manage to do something even approximately right.
Along with all the other events I am unhappy about, having my neighbors go broke is another...
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 06:43 PM
Iraq. The state of discombobulation.
Thrown into chaos, intentionally.
A decider, a protector and a discombobulator went into a bar and bragged about starting a war. The bartender said "That's more than enough out of you George, it's time you moved on".
Israel - use your war toys or we'll stop giving you money to buy them from us. Don't worry, we'll give you two weeks to destroy as much of lebanon as you want to slow down the Hizbollah.
Went to the far east side of Detroit yesterday to plan a block party with a church, for underprivilaged youth. It isn't hard to see the effects of the cold war on our cities, our population, our economy and our future.
Discombobulated. Thrown into chaos intentionally.
Barbara, don't bend over in front of your son.
Posted by: geof01 at July 20, 2006 06:46 PM
Dr. B--that article is good, but incomplete.
While I agree with the author about Israel using the same policies that for 60 years have failed to protect them and end the terrorism they live under(never mind the terrorism the state of Israel inflicts on its neighbors).
My question is the same for them as it is for our leaders.
How do you fight against a tactic, I believe it is a battle that begins and therefore must be ended, in the minds of men.
terrorism is an idea, a tactic, it is not an enemy and can not be killed as such.
You can kill the known terrorists, yes. But if you just wildly drop bombs in hopes that they are killed along with others, don't you just create more enemies?
It seems to me that it is both a police action and a political one that will be needed to limit terrorism(as a tactic it can never be eliminated, just transfered to another region, sort of like energy in transference).
So, how does one go about defeating terrorism?
Posted by: TurdBlossom at July 20, 2006 06:50 PM
Re #84: TB, I am sure that I know less about how to end terrorism than many others. I am impressed by the ideas of FCNL (Friends Committee on National Legislation) and surely Gerald can tell you about similar Catholic groups.
... and no article, not even one by Juan Cole, can completely tell anyone about Southeast Asia ...
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 06:58 PM
One defeats "terrorism" by bringing justice to the forefront. Any people fighting for their freedom and rights can be labeled terrorists. That term could have described the founding fathers, the native Americans along with a myriad other groups. Terrorism per se is an inaccurate description. I have read many comments here written by Israeli supporters. They seem to believe Israel has the right to exist at the expense of everyone else in the region. Yet these same people decry the Mexican illegal immigration problem. It seems Israel has the right to forcefully take and occupy land that is not theirs, reigning down terror and destruction in their path, yet the Mexican people, who arrive here peacefully, are considered criminals who must be returned to their homeland. Is it different because it is the United States that "suffers" this invasive onslaught? Or is it simply a typical right-wing double standard?
Posted by: RedAlert at July 20, 2006 07:01 PM
Thanks to those who respond(especially those who refrain from tossing insults or accusations of weakness) to my question.
It is a question that I think should be debated constantly and honestly.
And so far, I have yet to find any ONE answer and don't expect to find a simple solution(drop the bomb) anyways.
But it is a question that I think deserves some thought.
And yes, Dr. B even the informed Mr. Cole does not know all, he just knows enough to know he doesn't know all.
One thing I do know(or feel/believe) is that our current methods have proven grossly innefective.
Posted by: TurdBlossom at July 20, 2006 07:06 PM
Right-Wing non-standard is more like it.
Red Amakes a good point about the development of Justice.
Wage Peace! Waging war creates terrorists. Period. Until we have a Department of Peace it's a downhill spiral.
Posted by: geof01 at July 20, 2006 07:07 PM
I am all for a Dept. of Peace, but how can I subjigate it to my will to help take control of world resources that exist in countries other than the one I currently own(used my AmEx uranium edition to finance it)?
Posted by: TurdBlossom at July 20, 2006 07:15 PM
Jesus - your email address is http://god@aol.com/. My email address is rmcintosh@excite.com and my name is Rob McIntosh, a proud independant who thinks for himself and is not in lockstep with the democrats, republicans and conservatives for that matter. Now Jesus, shame on you for using Jesus or Gods name in vain and the day you die, may you face the day of reckoning when the real God decides your fate.
A true republican or conservative who wears true conservatism on his sleeve NEVER takes Gods or Jesus's name in vain. NEVER!
Posted by: Rob at July 20, 2006 07:18 PM
#79 Capt
Here's that article about Israel thinking of wiping Lebanon off the map.
Israel Hints at Full-Scale Lebanon Attack
So much for proposals of peacekeeping, but not yet. The job isn't done yet.
Total destruction in the offing.
Hey look, I can link. I tried the same jiggle I've done time and time again today, and now it works and I get the address bar back???
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 07:22 PM
Peace and justice are two different things. Peace cannot be had without justice. What human is in the position to decide justice? Is it in the eye of the beholder, like beauty? Shall we continue to drop bombs, signing them as the little Israeli girls do, "WITH LOVE?" Have these little girls been told the Lebanese casualities are estimated to be 1/3 children? Is this the kind of love these children are taught? How is justice served in this capacity? Could it be termed "terrorism?"
Posted by: RedAlert at July 20, 2006 07:23 PM
#84
TB,
Excellent point. How many bombs can you drop to end 'a tactic'? It's impossible to stop it with violence. War is not the answer. How do you kill a fanatical ideology? Peace kills it faster than anything. Give people security and peace and they will have no desire to leave their families to die for a cause.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 07:34 PM
Carey, thanks for the link.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 07:38 PM
#92
I agree Red, justice is one of the main ingredients. So is good infrastructure and a good educational system, hospitals, food, and...what is being destroyed in Lebanon?
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 07:39 PM
Judge won't drop AT&T eavesdropping lawsuit
A federal judge declined motions on Thursday to dismiss a lawsuit against AT&T alleging the firm illegally allowed the U.S. government to monitor phone conversations and e-mail communications.
AT&T asked the court in late April to dismiss the case, and two weeks later the U.S. government also asked the federal judge to dismiss it because of the secrecy of the issue.
In a 72-page ruling on Thursday, Judge Vaughn Walker rejected that filing in a case that has raised further attention to the domestic spying program acknowledged by President George W. Bush.
"The very subject matter of this action is hardly a secret," the judge wrote. "Public disclosures by the government and AT&T indicate that AT&T is assisting the government to implement some kind of surveillance program."
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 07:44 PM
I just got through reading all of the posts in the last thread.
My! Some excellent posts--O'Reilly, Den, RedAlert, Micki, Jeanne, Capt-- oh lots of you. Many, many fine posts.
The water issue has always been a big problem for Israel. Excellent point and links Red.
The same was true in 1990 and Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. In this case, it was a slightly different circumstance however. Iraq wanted a waterway access. Just think of it people--with global warming and drought.....
O'Reilly, yes trolls have been alive and kicking. It seems the more violence in the world, the more of these posts. And they're accompanied with cutsie names, some insulting to other posters. I do respect some anonymity, but in the end, why do you need it? In some cases, it is in jest, but usually, it's to hide.
I know I've been slow to post, not so much because of that, but because this is all so depressing.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 07:48 PM
Matthews, Buchanan slam neocons for Mideast 'warmongering'
Appearing on MSNBC, conservative pundit Pat Buchanan -- along with MSNBC host Chris Matthews -- slammed neoconservatives for what Buchanan described as Mideast 'warmongering' surrounding the crisis in Lebanon.
In his latest column, Buchanan also said that the Bush administration's unwavering support for Israel, as it imposes "deliberate suffering on civilians" and "collective punishment on innocent people" through its attacks on Lebanon, is "un-American and un-Christian."
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The main stream media is finding it kind of hard to side with Israel on this skirmish.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 07:49 PM
#96 Jeanne
Isn't that good news? Because I was having trouble linking I couldn't get that out to you all.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 07:53 PM
Time to go for a walk with my son and make dinner. And, oh dear, listen to the news.
Posted by: Carey at July 20, 2006 07:55 PM
Is there anyone who can tell me where I can find out how many U.N. resolutions there are out there against Israel? That we ignore?? Thanks for any help....Robin
Posted by: Robin at July 20, 2006 07:55 PM
In an overnight raid into the Gaza Strip the IDF have abducted two brothers. The Israelis claim that the brothers are members of Hamas. Hamas denies this and states that the two brothers are merely the sons of a Hamas member.
This cross-border raid happened 1 day before IDF soldier Gilad Shalit was captured. Just one day.
But of course you never heard about the doctor and his brother, both civlians, being kidnapped by Israel, you just heard (endlessly) about Gilad Shalit. All Gilad Shalit, all the time. All the time. All the time. All the time.
Israel provokes, and provokes again, until it gets a response, then the enslaved US Mainstream media tells you that the response is the aggressive action and launches another war of conquest.
Posted by: spy on this! at July 20, 2006 07:58 PM
#84
How to Defeat Terrorism -- written 5/18/2004
TB -- you might find this article of interest; it seems sound and prudent though, of course, it does not offer ALL the answers.
The think piece was written by a Benjamin Kuipers, who holds an endowed Professorship in Computer Sciences at the University of Texas at Austin. He investigates the representation of common sense and expert knowledge, with particular emphasis on the effective use of incomplete knowledge. He received his B.A. from Swarthmore College, and his Ph.D. from MIT. He has held research or faculty appointments at MIT, Tufts University, and the University of Texas.
Posted by: micki at July 20, 2006 07:59 PM
Re #101: Robin, scroll through the comments on the previous thread. A poster, unclebob I think, provided a list.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 08:01 PM
Good discussion on the middle east on democracy now today with Ralph Nader who is Lebanese and Illan Pappe, a professor who is part of the peace movement in Israel and DR. MONA EL-FARRA a physician and community activist in northern Gaza, also a health development consultant for Gaza's Union of Health Work Committees.
Democracynow.org
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 08:01 PM
Charles Barkley Abandons Conservatism: "The Word Conservative Means Discriminatory"
Former Vice President Dan Quayle walked out of a John Mellencamp concert this weekend after the singer dedicated a song to "all the poor people who’ve been ignored by the current administration."
Suprisingly, long-time conservative and NBA star Charles Barkley, who for years has suggested he may run for Alabama governor as a Republican, took Mellencamp’s side:
“He’s right,” Charles Barkley said of Mellencamp. "The word conservative means discriminatory practically. It’s a form of political discrimination. [Conservatives are] against gay marriage and for a war that makes no sense. A war that was based on faulty intelligence. That’s all they ever talk about. That and immigration. Another discriminatory argument for political gain."
..."In this country, 90% of the money is controlled by 10% of the people, and that’s not right."
Tony Snow is quoted in today’s Washington Post: "Does [President Bush] often talk about poverty? No."
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Bush is so clueless he literally doesn't know what poverty is. He's an ignoramus.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 08:11 PM
Oh my God, I know, Cornball. Three years after overthrowing a vicious tyrant's police state and Iraq is STILLLL not a perfect society. I mean, come on. What's taking so long?
How long would it have taken you? Oh wait, you would have never done anything, just shat at home, in front of your keyboard, producing so much Undigested Corn.
Keep it up nutwad. You're really smart. Fucking douche.
Posted by: SAM NY at July 20, 2006 08:12 PM
Everybody ignores U.N. resolutions because U.N. resolutions are worthless, as is the U.N. itself. Memo to Israel: step up your defense, attack and destroy the U.N.
Posted by: BYOB at July 20, 2006 08:16 PM
One more link and I'm outta here....
Cover-Up Exposed?
By Dan Froomkin
Amid all the other news yesterday, the attorney general's startling revelation that President Bush personally blocked a Justice Department investigation into the administration's controversial secret domestic spying programs hasn't gotten the attention it deserves.
Bush's move -- denying the requisite security clearances to attorneys from the department's ethics office -- is unprecedented in that office's history. It also comes in stark contrast to the enthusiastic way in which security clearances were dished out to a different group of attorneys: Those charged with finding out who leaked information about the program to the press.
...Bush's action is also another example of what I have previously noted is a consistent White House modus operandi: That time and time again, Bush and his aides have selectively leaked or declassified secret intelligence findings that served their political agenda -- while aggressively asserting the need to keep secret the information that would tend to discredit them.
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long article but good. If it's been previously posted I apologize.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 08:17 PM
Everybody ignores U.N. resolutions because U.N. resolutions are worthless, as is the U.N. itself. Memo to Israel: step up your defense, attack and destroy the U.N.
Posted by: BYOB at July 20, 2006 08:22 PM
Ahhhh David,
This blog is being overrun by people who are trying to undermine the strength of the message here. Sam NY is a good example. I don't care what you do about it but it seems to me to be a very deliberate strategy by these trolls.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 08:23 PM
Keep it up nutwad. You're really smart. Fucking douche.
Posted by: SAM NY at July 20, 2006 08:12 PM
Sam, find a less profane way of expressing you ideas.
Posted by: Happy to be counted at July 20, 2006 08:26 PM
micki, thanks for the interesting link. Also, Slate today has quite a collection of articles on Southeast Asia, mostly regarding Lebanon.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 08:28 PM
Sorry for the double. Don't know how that happened. Still like the thought.
Posted by: BYOB at July 20, 2006 08:30 PM
Re #112: Happy, I agree but please do not feed the trolls! Maintain blogging hygiene.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 08:31 PM
Suffering and joy teach us, if we allow them, how to make the leap of empathy, which transports us into the soul and heart of another person. ln those transparent moments we know other people's joys and sorrows, and we care about their concerns as if they were our own: Fritz Williams:
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"The ideal set up by the Party was something huge, terrible, and glittering - a world of steel and concrete, of monstrous machines and terrifying weapons - a nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting - three hundred million people all with the same face." (George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four)
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"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, science for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable an ignorable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." (Albert Einstein)
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But there is suffering in life, and there are defeats. No one can avoid them. But it's better to lose some of the battles in the struggles for your dreams than to be defeated without ever knowing what you're fighting for: Paulo Coelho:
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When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it? : Eleanor Roosevelt
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Thanks ICH Newsletter~!
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 08:37 PM
"The pot is boiling over..."
"Bubble, boil, toil and trouble..."
...
"And when shall we three meet again...?"
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 08:41 PM
I'm not feeding the trolls! But this comment is one of the most outrageous, disgusting comments spewed forth on this blog.
If I were in charge, I'd give him the boot.
Memo to Israel: step up your defense, attack and destroy the U.N. #s 108 and 110
Then this knuckle-dragger affirms his "terrorist" comment when he sees he has posted twice.
Worse than puh-letic!
Posted by: micki at July 20, 2006 08:43 PM
How do we fight terrorism?
How do we fight Fear - it is the same thing.
You fight it at the source. Fear is born from ignorance. So educate.
If the origin of terrorism was lack of military action then military action would work. It is not so it does not.
Funny how all of this goes on day by day and nobody mentions peace?
Is peace the goal of military action?
Eventually is not an answer. Peace is not had by accident and war is a failure of diplomatic and political power.
If "might made right" we would never have had terrorist attacks to begin with so military might is also not a deterrent.
Should people in Omaha be full of fear five and a half years after they were not attacked?
Sounds silly to me. If Bush is really fighting "terror" how does that work when he spends all of his time trying to scare people more?
Look at actions not the words of the so-called leadership[sic].
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 08:50 PM
The U.S. could bring the end of the U.N. today by cutting off funding. Spare Israel the attack. That would be the humanitarian thing to do. The U.N. Nothing but a waste of real estate, office space and endless and meaningless resolutions.
Posted by: BYOB at July 20, 2006 09:04 PM
I would post it twice but Micki would get mad and feed me again.
Posted by: BYOB at July 20, 2006 09:05 PM
#119
Very good Capt,
Should people in Omaha be full of fear five and a half years after they were not attacked?
Sounds silly to me. If Bush is really fighting "terror" how does that work when he spends all of his time trying to scare people more?
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And as he starts illegal wars. And as he ignores global warming. And as he stops progress on the medical front. And as he makes a mockery of the white house. And as he....
I am scared of George W. Bush. He is not a leader. This is how Ralph Nader described him.
"I trust God speaks through me," end-quote. We're dealing here with not just a phenomenally ignorant man, but a messianically driven man, and so when the Prime Minister of Israel visits the White House, he, Bush, knows who the puppeteer and who the puppet is, but he doesn't like to appear like a puppet, so he embraces messianically anything that Israel chooses to do militarily and to."
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 09:07 PM
Kofi Annan might as well be talking to a brick wall.
An excerpt from a story on the ABC News site:
"...The House voted 410-8 on Thursday to support Israel in its confrontation with Hezbollah guerrillas. The resolution also condemns enemies of the Jewish state.
House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, cited Israel's "unique relationship" with the United States as a reason for his colleagues to go on record swiftly supporting Israel in the latest flare-up of violence in the Mideast.
Little of the political divisiveness in Congress on other national security issues was evident as lawmakers embraced the Bush administration's position.
So strong was the momentum for the resolution that it was steamrolling efforts by a small group of House members who argued that Congress's pro-Israel stance goes too far...."
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410-8! WTF? I'm too depressed to look up the wording of the resolution. What a stunt. What a travesty.
Posted by: micki at July 20, 2006 09:07 PM
Oh, right B-rock.
Posted by: micki at July 20, 2006 09:09 PM
Yeah, resolutions are meaningless when they are ignored.
I wish someone would ignore the stupid 410-8 resolution concocted by the House of Misrepresentation.
Posted by: micki at July 20, 2006 09:11 PM
micki, not to make you even more depressed, but yesterday the vote in the Senate was unanimous (among the senators present and voting).
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 20, 2006 09:12 PM
That vote is going to come back to haunt them me thinks. This invasion of Lebanon has sent a very clear picture to the world about what the Israeli government and military are willing to do. The conflict in Palestine, which has been largely ignored, is going to be on the front pages along with the crisis in Lebanon. People in the US who are of middle eastern decent are going to stand up and insist that action be taken against Israel. And Israel really will have no leg to stand on. Not with all the UN resolutions against them. They are committing crimes against humanity. It is glaring. If we continue to support Israel with these offenses what does that say about us? When you combine this with the damage we've done to Iraq it is a real disaster in the making for the US. We have to quit pretending we can do anything we want and there will be no repercussions.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 20, 2006 09:40 PM
Fire and Sword
Will Americans join Iraqis, Lebanese, and Palestinians as neocon victims?
What explains the indifference of the Bush administration to the slaughter of civilians in Iraq, Lebanon, and Gaza?
As of the morning of July 19, Israeli bombardments of Lebanese civilian residential districts and public infrastructure have murdered 300 Lebanese, wounded 1,000, and displaced 500,000. The Lebanese prime minister said that Israel's attack has caused "unimaginable losses" and that his government will seek compensation from Israel.
In Gaza, Israel has murdered scores of Palestinian civilians in the past few days.
In Iraq, the civilian daily death toll has risen above 100.
These dead are not Hezbollah militia. They are not Hamas militia. They are not al-Qaeda or Sunni insurgents. They are civilians.
Frustrated by Hezbollah, Israel is lashing out at hapless civilians, knowing that the U.S. will protect Israel from UN Security Council condemnation.
More HERE
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PCR may have missed what we have already lost.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 09:51 PM
Israel does not fear the U.N. any more than any other country in this world does. When will you liberals get it through your head that the U.N. does not do, does not stop, does not resolve anything! They take up space and other peoples money, all for nothing. They are what is left of the welfare program in America.
Posted by: BYOB at July 20, 2006 09:56 PM
Lebanon's 9/11 or Why Do They Hate Us? Picture Album
What exactly do our politicians mean when the say we support Israel in its action against Lebanon? What is it that they support? Surely not this carnage?
WARNING
Graphic images depicting the reality and horror of Israel's Invasion and destruction of Lebanon.
Please wait a moment for images to load
More HERE
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Nobody is scared of anybody else. Everybody is scared to have their children killed or maimed.
That blue flag? Any guesses what country that flag represents?
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 10:07 PM
Hamas government says wants ceasefire with Israel
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The Hamas government wants a ceasefire with Israel and is willing to speak to Palestinian militant factions in Gaza to get them to stop firing rockets at the Jewish state, a spokesman said on Thursday.
But Ghazi Hamad said Israel had to stop military activity in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank first.
Hamas ended a 16-month truce with Israel last Friday. Its military wing responded by launching a barrage of makeshift rockets at the Jewish state from the Gaza Strip.
"I spoke today with the prime minister and he said we definitely want quiet everywhere. We are interested in a ceasefire everywhere," Hamad, speaking in Hebrew, said in an interview on Israel Radio.
Reached by Reuters, Hamad made clear Israel had to act first.
"We have no problem to have an end to the rocket firing but on condition Israel stops all forms of military attacks against Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank," he said.
Hamad's remarks followed a drop in militant rocket fire from Gaza.
Earlier this week a senior member of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's party threatened Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas with assassination if the group renewed suicide bombings in Israel.
More HERE
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 10:12 PM
The country of Hezbollah? Hamas? Al Queda?
Does anybody care?
Posted by: BYOB at July 20, 2006 10:12 PM
WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED
to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,
AND FOR THESE ENDS
to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and
to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and
to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and
to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,
HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS
Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations
More HERE
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Before just saying anything for the sake of sounding off.
It would benefit the less educated among us if they would just do a very small amount of homework. I know you teenagers HATE homework but . . .
Essay question.
The USA is a signatory to the UN charter:
Please explain why anybody in any country that is a member or signatory should fear the UN?
capt
Posted by: capt at July 20, 2006 10:19 PM
The U.N. is the perfect example of a teacher who would "wag a finger" at you for behaving badly instead of tanning your hide with a paddle, to stop the bad behavior. The former is worthless as is the U.N. And while we are at it, why is the media quick to defend the U.N. and not report one iota on the "oil for corruption" scandal? Because, like the U.N. the media is anti-U.S.A. and anti-Israel. Hence, they are worthless as well.
Posted by: BYOB at July 20, 2006 10:26 PM
ILLAN PAPPE an Israeli historian, author and political scientist at the University of Haifa.
"Why doesn't our government accept the offer of the United Nations to an immediate ceasefire and the beginning of diplomatic negotiations? And why does the United States, in the most immoral position I have ever recalled since the end of the second World War, tells us and the poor citizens of Lebanon that it doesn't mind the mutual killing of citizens, so that the military operation could go on, where it knows that it has the power to stop today the shelling of both Israelis and Lebanese and to start maybe a more fruitful negotiations, not only over the questions of the prisoners of war, but maybe even over the question of the comprehensive solution.
AMY GOODMAN: How important is the U.S. stance, Professor Pappe?
ILLAN PAPPE: Immensely so. I think that, first of all, it has the power, like it never had before, to stop an escalation, which has already claimed the lives of many innocent people. So that's a very powerful position. Secondly, it's the only superpower in the area and in the world, and that's a very great responsibility. And thirdly, without the U.S. support, the aggressive Israeli policies, not only towards Lebanon, but also towards the Gaza Strip and towards the Occupied Territories, would have changed dramatically. So I would say that in fact the Middle East conflict continues, very much because -- not only because, but primarily because -- of the American position.
AMY GOODMAN: Professor Pappe, weղe hearing over and over again in the U.S. media about how the Israeli population is fully behind their government, especially as the rockets co