July 19, 2006Rice's Cop-outI finally got to today's papers and saw a remark that Condi Rice made yesterday. Explaining, as The Washington Post put it, that the situation in the Middle East is not yet ripe for US diplomatic intervention, the secretary of state said, "We have to make certain that anything that we do is going to be of lasting value." Huh? If the United States could broker a halt in the violence--even if temporary--that would save lives both in Lebanon and Israel. Some folks--especially those whose lives might be saved--would consider such a development to be of value. Is it really her position that unless she can solve the entire Middle East problem there is no point in intervening? Talk about leadership. Posted by David Corn at July 19, 2006 04:28 PM | ||||




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These people in the white house need to move over. They are freaking incompetent. If you own a lemonade stand it's ok. If you are a super power, it isn't.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 19, 2006 04:35 PM
Jeez...Bush can't even chew his food without it making news.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 19, 2006 04:37 PM
Wow,
David, did our friends lose their way to the next thread? Maybe I should go lay bread crumbs.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 19, 2006 04:52 PM
Mr. David Corn,
You are right (of course) but this misadministration is not concerned with the number of deaths. They think then number is a measure of effectiveness or shows how tough they are.
They really think it would be better to have more people killed. All the deaths are terrorists or potential terrorist.
UGH
Thanks for all of your work!
Kirk
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 04:52 PM
David Corn, "talk about leadership". Ok, talk about it... Oh, you did, didn't you...
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 04:54 PM
Let us talk cease fire when the last of Hezbollah in South Lebannon is either dead or departed to Syria or Iran. Syria and Iran use the terrorists to instigate, hassle, and cause harm to Israel because they are too cowardly to do it themselves. Ripe will be when Lebannon can take control and expel the terrorists from within their country. The Palestinians need to do the same with Hamas. Neither of the terrorist groups want peace, they want Isreal to be a non-entity.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 04:55 PM
I wonder if a test could be run on the blastocysts for terrorist traits?
Then we could just eliminate all of the terrorist blastocysts. Now that makes sense.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 04:55 PM
Her first statement was that she was coming 'right away.' Now, it's lasting value.
The truth is, Israel is hammering the shyt out of Hesbollah and Lebanon is caught in the crossehairs. We're willing to give the Green Light to Israel to hammer Hesbollah at the cost of the fragile democracy in Lebanon. The US wants to give Israel the time to 'get the job done.'
We could broker a ceasefire in two minutes. All we'd have to do is call-off the Israeli miltary but NO, instead, we wait. More innocent blood on the hands of Bush,Rice and the American people.
Posted by: O'Reilly at July 19, 2006 04:57 PM
Talk about a preemption?
HA!
It would mean no terrorists, eh?
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 04:57 PM
Capt,
They want to have it go on for a week. That way there will be no infrastructure left in Lebanon. Of course, the real problem down the road will be the countless terrorists that will be created all over the middle east because of what we've allowed to continue. And of course how much more dangerous it will be in the US because of the anger of those who live here and have loved ones killed while Bush chews his food and rubs women's shoulders instead of finding a diplomatic solution.
What is the white house waiting for? Either they are so incompetent that they are standing like deer in the head lights or they don't mind death and destruction of a people. I don't know which it is but either way it's ugly.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 19, 2006 05:00 PM
Historically "cease-fire" does not mean capitulation from any side or group. It has always been a time for collecting the bodies and moving the civilians out of harms way.
Now, any stopping of violence is surrender? It is a sign of weakness? Just how weak is it to get civilians out of the way or is it important they are still in their homes when the bombs strike?
That is not even a sincere argument, not if you have read a history book . . oh nevermind.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 05:00 PM
It just doesn't get any better does it? shrub and his crew are the worst ever seen in the white house, if this is the best that america can do then we don't deserve any better. Love the reichwing and let them do what they want. Wonder where this is all going to end, maybe a mushroom cloud? Let's hope it is on DC and that might be a start to get us out of these messes that have originated there.
Posted by: What the F**k at July 19, 2006 05:05 PM
Happy has been given a yellow card. The next infraction will merit a red card.
Posted by: David Corn at July 19, 2006 05:05 PM
Reaping what Bush sowed
The Middle East is burning. From Baghdad to Beirut, car bombs, suicide attacks, air strikes and a grim tally of civilian deaths are the new currency of daily life.
The extremist and rejectionist machinations of Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah are partly to blame. But so is an American administration that thought it could transform the Middle East overnight, using regime change in Iraq to jump start rapid democratization throughout the region.
Instead, Washington's ideological hubris and practical incompetence have succeeded only in setting the region ablaze, awakening extremist and militant voices.
The toppling of Saddam Hussein was intended to send shock waves across the Arab world, intimidating the region's brittle tyrannies while encouraging the spontaneous civic movements that have brought democracy to much of post-Communist Europe. In Iraq itself, democrats were to replace a brutal autocrat, providing a model for the region.
Precisely the opposite has happened. The war has not only engulfed Iraq in violence and made the country a magnet for jihadists, but it has also awakened sectarian tensions that are spreading beyond Iraq's borders. From Saudi Arabia to Lebanon, Shiites and Sunnis are cautiously eyeing each other, heading for a mounting rivalry that has already helped plunge Lebanon into chaos.
More HERE
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Starting wars, making America into an aggressor nation, giving the "green light" for violence is not leadership, it is the complete failure of leadership.
The USA and Bush are not an exception to the rule. No matter how much they try to make it so.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 05:07 PM
More than 60 people died in the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah Wednesday, many of them civilians. - The NewsHour
Posted by: . at July 19, 2006 05:14 PM
Scratch 'N Win Ballots To Debut In November
WASHINGTON, DC In an effort to increase voter participation while generating additional revenue, several state election boards announced plans Monday to introduce new Scratch 'N Win ballots in November, giving citizens the chance to win the right to vote in the 2006 elections.
The ballots, which will retail for $1 and go on sale the morning of Nov. 7, are small three- by two-inch cards with a "prize area" obscured by a thin silver coating. Voters will scratch off this area and can win by matching three vote amounts, which will range from one to 1 million.
If the voter scratches off the "wild card" symbol an elephant silhouette they instantly win 10,000 votes for their state's Republican candidate.
More HERE
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Sounds about right!
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 05:18 PM
I almost made a comment about "scratch and sniff" ballots. Scratch and win makes more sense.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 05:19 PM
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Happy has been given a yellow card. The next infraction will merit a red card.
Posted by: David Corn at July 19, 2006 05:05 PM
Curious as to why? Hye--idea--Red Card all Happies! he, he, he! Cop-out Cornhole spoofers are so shallow!
Posted by: Just Curious at July 19, 2006 05:23 PM
David, as you are probably more aware than me, the repugnants may consider Rice for a presidential run. They crave incompetent leadership like Rice.
From the previous blog I believe the 6 million Jews killed in WW II is tragic and there is no doubt about it.
We must never forget that Bush and his bed partners are part of the Project for the Next American Century and they are talking about the extermination of 6 billion human beings on planet Earth. They say that the world can only sustain 500 million people.
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 05:29 PM
Israeli occupied territory indeed. Where is that Aipac trial? Oh yeah it has been changed four times.
U.S. Senate Unanimously Votes to Back Israel
On Capitol Hill, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed a resolution endorsing Israel's military attack and condemning Hezbollah as well as Iran and Syria. The House is expected to approve a similar resolution. Last night Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman declared "today, we are all IsraelisÓ during a speech to the organization Christians United for Israel.
Posted by: kathleen at July 19, 2006 05:30 PM
Juan Cole's Informed Comment today is particularly telling with regard to the actions of the Israeli air force. A hospital, a Greek Orthodox church, a milk factory...
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 05:32 PM
Maybe the Israeli Zionists believe if they can manage to slaughter 6 million Muslims, they can call it even. Oh, but I forgot, Hitler was German and Christian. Nevermind.
Posted by: RedAlert at July 19, 2006 05:33 PM
It is a shame that President Bush does not value Iraqi and Lebanese childrens lives as much as he values American embryo's.
SAVE THE AMERICAN EMBRYO'S.
KILL IRAQI'S AND LEBANESE.
SO VERY CHRISTIAN....
Posted by: kathleen at July 19, 2006 05:34 PM
Clearly if there were yellow cards for being a jerk many would be long gone.
It is David's blog and he is the only one that he has to convince.
I applaud his action. I hope for more. He has tried to ask for everybody to be reasonable. Some just do not get it. Maybe now they will? Far better to boot the problem posters than to close down the blog.
IMHO
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 05:35 PM
Kathleen, prepare for the Four Horseman Of the Apocalypse, for they are upon us, and the Pale Rider is reaping his harvest.
Posted by: RedAlert at July 19, 2006 05:35 PM
The Soviets would have to kill about 21 million to get even, I do not know how many were of which religion but . . .
Settling old scores is always an excuse for a tyrant.
"Any excuse will serve a tyrant." ~ Aesop (620 BC - 560 BC), The Wolf and the Lamb
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 05:38 PM
Even ABC News commented last night on the deliberate targeting by Israel of Red Crescent convoys trying to deliver food and medical aid.
Children dying in Jesus' hometown on one side, Children dying in from starvation, thirst and lack of medicine on the other.
It's just war, man, just 'collateral damage' why the F should I care?
-T
Posted by: Hajji at July 19, 2006 05:45 PM
From Juan Cole's Informed Comment
TALKING POINTS
Israel's attacks on innocent civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza and Lebanon are a violation of U.S. law, specifically the U.S. Arms Export Control Act and the U.S. Foreign Assistance Act. The U.S. Arms Export Control Act restricts the use of U.S. weapons to legitimate self-defense and internal policing; U.S. weapons cannot be used to attack civilians in offensive operations. The U.S. Foreign Assistance Act prohibits U.S. aid of any kind to a country with a pattern of gross human rights violations.
Israel's attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza and Lebanon are examples of collective punishment, which are prohibited under the Geneva Conventions.
Continued Israeli actions against the civilian population of Gaza and Lebanon are not only against U.S. laws and the Geneva Conventions, which Israel has reportedly been given a "green light" to continue for another week by the Administration, but they are destroying the American ability to fight the war on terror. They are also destroying Israel's ability to make peace with her neighbors through negotiations, the only real road to security for the state of Israel.
When Congress breaks the law, how can Americans respect the law? My fellow Nazi Americans, we are a damned nation!!!
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 05:46 PM
I asked, but nobody's interested in moving this ER to Beirut, just yet.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at July 19, 2006 05:46 PM
Hajji,
You have too large a heart! (Figuratively)
I know you would do it if you could.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 05:49 PM
I always thought our trillion dollar military was to reap a peace dividend not to prove the simple case that a trillion dollar military can kick the backside of some small military force. The trillion dollar military was suppose to keep the peace.
Maybe since we know that does not work we can have a reasonable discussion about paring down our forces to be in synch with the peace that the can bring. The only amount we can afford is the amount that affords peace?
Nobody is talking about peace anymore?
Just a thought
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 05:56 PM
27 Hajji
You should NOT CARE. It just does not matter.
As long as terrorists a-holes die, it is a good thing. If one side fights without thought of collateral damage, the other side SHOULD fight in EXACTLY the same way. If they do not, they are F-ing stupid. If there are no rules for one side, there should be NO RULES for the other side.
Posted by: doesn't matter at July 19, 2006 05:56 PM
Condi's mushroom cloud is not nuclear but does the damage just the same. The powerful are just ramrodding the weak. Ugly.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 19, 2006 05:57 PM
23 tons of explosives were dropped on a Hezbollah bunker. Top Hezbollah officials are believed to have been inside.
die terrorists
Posted by: spy on this! at July 19, 2006 06:01 PM
Meta-discussion: I appreciate reading a wide variety of viewpoints and links. With some thought, the posts can be both civil and pointed. I don't mind the attempts at skewing intellectual opponents. Do very much mind insulting language, even unintentionally insulting language.
But if somebody posts something which is stupid or crazy, feel free to call the POST stupid or crazy. Everybody slips up once in awhile...
MHO
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 06:04 PM
'skewing'?? Isn't that 'skewering'?
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 06:09 PM
But if somebody posts something which is stupid or crazy, feel free to call the POST stupid or crazy. Everybody slips up once in awhile...
DB
OK Dude, I'm feelin free to call your post stupid and crazy! Wow, what a rush. He he!
Posted by: Butt Head at July 19, 2006 06:11 PM
My fellow Nazi Americans, have you heard more information on Americans paying for their way out of Lebanon? Thank you for any information in this matter!!!
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 06:11 PM
Not even those crazy Canadians agree with wacked out Cornnuts!
World Reactions: Israel is Right, and Talk of World War III
by Hillel Fendel
The G-8 leaders, including Bush, Blair, and Putin, are showing no signs of pressuring Israel to go easy - yet. In the U.S., there's talk of World War Three.
World leaders meeting in a suburb of the Russian city of St. Petersburg at the G-8 summit have come down squarely on Israel's side. They called for Hamas and Hizbullah to return the Israeli soldiers they are holding captive and for the cessation of rocket attacks on Israel - as conditions for Israel's cessation of its offensive on Lebanon.
The G-8 is a self-proclaimed Group of Eight industrialized nations, namely, the U.S.,
Russia, Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Canada and Japan.
Canada took a surprisingly pro-Israel approach when Prime Minister Stephen Harper told reporters before the summit that Israel "has a right to defend itself," and that Israel's offensive in Lebanon was a "measured" manifestation of that right. He clearly blamed the current warfare on Hamas and Hizbullah.
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 06:14 PM
Gerald,
Is kidnapping and killing Israeli soldiers a crime, and against the Geneva convention? If so, why are you not bitching about that?
Why do you bitch about a victim's response to a horrible crime perpetrated on them?
Posted by: Doesn't Matter at July 19, 2006 06:15 PM
#34 spy on this!, a very powerful post!!!
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 06:16 PM
Hezbollah leader in hiding while civilians are left to fend for themselves. What a coward you corrnuts support!
Lucky for us Israel says - you can run but you can not hide.
23 tons of explosives were dropped on a Hezbollah bunker. Top Hezbollah officials are believed to have been inside.
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 06:16 PM
Please exchange the name Bush for Olmert and the name Iraq for Lebanon!!!!! Bush = Olmert and Iraq = Lebanon!!!!!
Proportionality
Moral decisions in and of themselves cannot be considered immoral unless you know proportionality. There are three actions to consider in proportionality, such as intentions, circumstances, and consequences. I cannot judge Bush but I have perceptual opinions.
Here are my perceptual opinions regarding Bush's attack upon Iraq.
1. Intention - Bush wanted to make himself look like a big man to his father and to himself. Oil may have also been an intention as well as permanent military bases.
2. Circumstances - Bush lied to Americans that Iraq was an imminent threat to America's safety and security. If we do not go into Iraq, they will come here and we will no longer be safe and secure. Do we feel any more safe and secure now? The Nazis control Americans through fear.
3. Consequences - Bush's decisions laid the groundwork for war crimes, mass murders, crimes against humanity, torture, and rape of a foreign land. Americans have their freedoms and rights taken from them through the Patriot Acts. America's economy is such that the middle class is being dissolved. Contracts are given to boyfriends and Americans do not know where the money is going. Bush's attack upon Iraq raises proportionality to a level that his decision to attack Iraq is an immoral act. Grave eternal consequences are upon his person and soul and also with the people and their souls who have agreed with his brutal and inhumane actions upon the Iraqi people.
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 06:24 PM
Dingy Harry supports Isreal? WTF? How are you Cornnuts going to spin this?
Congress Is Giving Israel Vote of Confidence
Both Parties Back Ally, Court Jewish Support
By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 19, 2006; Page A05
Democratic and Republican congressional leaders are rushing to offer unalloyed support for Israel's offensive against Hezbollah fighters, reflecting a bipartisan desire to not only defend a key U.S. ally but also solidify long-term backing of Jewish voters and political donors in the United States, according to officials and strategists in both parties.
With Israel intensifying its air and artillery attacks on Lebanon and warning of a protracted war, the Senate yesterday unanimously passed a bipartisan resolution endorsing Israel's military campaign and condemning Hezbollah and its two backers, Iran and Syria. A few hours earlier, Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) delivered his most strident defense of Israel since the conflict erupted a week ago. The House is expected to pass a similarly pro-Israel resolution today
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 06:25 PM
Murders and war crimes do matter!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 06:25 PM
Dingy Harry and Dem party doesn't agree with you Cornnuts on Israel-Hezbollah conflick.
G-8 leaders including the Russians and Canadians don't agree with you.
Arab nations do not agree with you.
Looks like the only ones that agree with you are the terrorists themselves. No suprise there!
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 06:29 PM
Olmert's attack upon Lebanon raises proportionality to a level that his decision to attack Lebanon is an immoral act. Grave eternal consequences are upon his person and soul and also with the people and their souls who have agreed with his brutal and inhumane actions upon the Lebanese people.
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 06:29 PM
"Murders and war crimes do matter!!!!!"
Not when its non-xian, non-white people dying.
Posted by: goob at July 19, 2006 06:30 PM
Seymour Hersch and Justinm Raimando have been hitting home runs on their claims about the middle east. The question remains "will Israel go nuclear on Iran" as Seymour has indicated.
The Iran Plans
Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehranfrom getting the bomb?
By Seymour M. Hersh
04/08/06 "New Yorker" -- -- The Bush Administration, while publicly advocating diplomacy in order to stop Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon, has increased clandestine activities inside Iran and intensified planning for a possible major air attack. Current and former American military and intelligence officials said that Air Force planning groups are drawing up lists of targets, and teams of American combat troops have been ordered into Iran, under cover, to collect targeting data and to establish contact with anti-government ethnic-minority groups. The officials say that President Bush is determined to deny the Iranian regime the opportunity to begin a pilot program, planned for this spring, to enrich uranium.
American and European intelligence agencies, and the International Atomic Energy Agency (I.A.E.A.), agree that Iran is intent on developing the capability to produce nuclear weapons. But there are widely differing estimates of how long that will take, and whether diplomacy, sanctions, or military action is the best way to prevent it. Iran insists that its research is for peaceful use only, in keeping with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and that it will not be delayed or deterred.
There is a growing conviction among members of the United States military, and in the international community, that President BushÕ³ ultimate goal in the nuclear confrontation with Iran is regime change. IranÕ³ President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has challenged the reality of the Holocaust and said that Israel must be Ò·iped off the map.Ó Bush and others in the White House view him as a potential Adolf Hitler, a former senior intelligence official said. Ò”hatÕ³ the name theyÕ²e using. They say, Ô—ill Iran get a strategic weapon and threaten another world war?Õ ÓŠ
A government consultant with close ties to the civilian leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was Ò¡bsolutely convinced that Iran is going to get the bombÓ if it is not stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do Ò·hat no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do,Ó and Ò´hat saving Iran is going to be his legacy.Ó
One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military planning was premised on a belief that Ò¡ sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.Ó He added, Ò‰ was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, Ô—hat are they smoking?Õ Ó
Posted by: kathleen at July 19, 2006 06:30 PM
Olmert wanted to make himself look like a big man to his Iraqi people and to himself.
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 06:32 PM
Will Israel attack Iran? Will they go nuclear?
Posted by: kathleen at July 19, 2006 06:33 PM
I asked, but nobody's interested in moving this ER to Beirut, just yet.
-T
Dude, ever heard of the term - volunteer? Job security must be a big issue for you man! I once met a liberal who quit his job to volunteer to go to Africa and serve the poor. They just don't make liberals like they used to! he he he!
Posted by: Butt Head at July 19, 2006 06:35 PM
More pertinent to the last thread, but has some footage that we rarely see on TV:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696&q=peace+promise+land+propaganda
Posted by: goob at July 19, 2006 06:38 PM
A pantomime president
From North Korea to Iraq to Lebanon, George Bush's lack of policy has led to a string of disasters
President Bush was against diplomacy before he was for it. But with the collapse of US foreign policy from the Middle East to North Korea he has claimed to have become a born-again realist. "And it's, kind of ... painful ... for some to watch, because it takes a while to get people on the same page," he said at his July 7 press conference, adding, in an astonished tone, "Not everybody thinks the exact same way we think. Different words mean different things to different people."
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Brilliant.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 19, 2006 06:39 PM
Kathleen, why shouldn't Israel attack Iran? Iran is already attacking them according to the NY Sun.
Hundreds of Iranian Troops Fighting in Lebanon
NY Sun ^ | 07/19/06 | NY Sun
Hundreds of Iranian Revolutionary Guard personnel are on the ground in Lebanon fighting Israel, security sources say. "I have no doubt whatsoever that they are there and operating some of the equipment," an Arab diplomatic source told The New York Sun yesterday. Another foreign source, based in Washington, said the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps contingent in Lebanon is based in Beirut and in the Bekaa Valley. He said the troops usually number a few dozen, but that the size of the force increased in connection with the hostilities that have broken out between Israel and Iran's proxy, Hezbollah, over the...
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 06:40 PM
Why do you Cornnuts continue to call appeasing terrorists diplomacy?
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 06:42 PM
In Beirut, Embassy Tells Stranded Americans: Evacuation Is a Mouse-Click Away
Lebanon: Telephone service is spotty -- both land lines and cellular networks are on-again, off-again in war-struck areas. Some even say that cellular telephone networks are down entirely. Electricity is out in parts of Beirut and southern Lebanon, probably as a result of Israeli bombing runs which targeted civilian infrastructure, including power plants and transformers.
An estimated 25,000 Americans were in Lebanon when the bombing began, according to CNN. A couple hundred appear to have made it out -- and the State Department says it plans on evacuating "as many as" 2,400 by Thursday. The rest -- by my count, more than 23,000 -- are being told to sit tight as the Israeli bombing continues, wait by their phones for a call, and check the embassy Web site for more information. So says undersecretary of state Nicholas Burns: "We have an open line to all American citizens. We're in touch with them by Web site."
Yes, Burns assured CNN, "[The evacuation is] very well thought out."
Heckuva job, Condi?
More HERE
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This is no way to run a state department.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 06:42 PM
ALBERT EINSTEIN
"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
~ Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
Words from a wise man!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 06:43 PM
The Definition of Tyranny
By Bob Herbert
Congress is dithering and the American public doesn't even seem particularly concerned as the administration of George W. Bush systematically trashes such fundamental American values as justice, due process, respect for human rights and submission to the rule of law.
In the kangaroo courts that the administration concocted to try detainees at Guant?namo Bay, Cuba, a defendant could be prevented from seeing the evidence against him, would not have the right to attend his own trial and would not have the right to appeal the sentence to a civilian court.
That's slapstick justice, a process worthy of the Marx Brothers.
"You have been accused of being a terrorist."
"Where is the evidence?"
"We can't show it to you."
"That's ridiculous."
"So is this court. We find you guilty. Take him away."
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I disagree. The Marx Brothers were much too sophisticated to be compared to the Bush crew.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 19, 2006 06:46 PM
#57
Just like Katrina. It, of course, will be someone else's fault. And Condi will be buying shoes.
Posted by: Jeanne at July 19, 2006 06:48 PM
Ralph Reed's Comeuppance
Analysis: The former leader of the Christian right suffers a humiliating defeat in his Georgia primary race, thanks to his ties to a disgraced lobbyist
In the end, voters punished Reed for the same kind of duplicitious political behavior he used to build campaigns against. As revelations from the Abramoff case slowly leaked out, it appeared that as a lobbyist and consultant, Reed had urged his base to fight tribal casino gambling and state lotteries with the help of $5 million from competing gaming interests in four southern states. "I would have voted for Reed but it really bothered me that he took that money for casinos. I gave Cagle a chance," said Mike Craig, 46, a voter in Cobb County.
Reed's evasive, constantly shifting explanations didn't help his cause. Reed first denied he used gambling funds for his lobbying efforts, then stated he didn't know the source of the funds, then said had he known he would not have accepted them, which ran counter to e-mails between him and Abramoff released by the U.S. Senate's Indian Affairs Committee. Then a week before the election, a tribe in Texas filed a federal lawsuit alleging fraud against the pair. In TV ads Reed continued to blame the "liberal media," but for long stretches in the campaign he held no events and did no press interviews. Even a campaign appearance by Rudy Giuliani didn't help.
The Reed faithful Ñ at least what was left of it Ñ thought he had been hung out to dry by his former friends. "I believe there's a real tight network with the senators," said Stan Coates, 52, of Marietta in Cobb County, referring to the nearly two dozen GOP lawmakers who had publicly urged Reed to step down during the campaign. Referrring to Abramoff, he added: "To be guilty by association, people listen to those lies and hang onto them," said Coates.
More HERE
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Hardly the just comeuppance for a nefarious two-faced lying conman. Not even just for a neoconman.
He belongs in the cross bar hotel and he would not have enough money to buy his way out, that would be just. He is a garden variety criminal and he belongs in jail with his business partners.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 06:50 PM
LBH,
Great bitch-slapping of these guys with your quotes. A lot of the people here have no moral or intellectual integrity. They are mentally weak and intellectually lazy.
All they can cling to is their blinding hatred for Bush and capitalism.
Posted by: factchecker at July 19, 2006 06:52 PM
Gerald, Albert Einstien later changed his tune by pushing for the A bomb once Hilter was known to be making one for the Nazi's. Yes, he was a wise man!
ALBERT EINSTEIN
and the
ATOMIC BOMB
The physicist Albert Einstein did not directly participate in the invention of the atomic bomb. But as we shall see, he was instrumental in facilitating its development.
In 1905, as part of his Special Theory of Relativity, he made the intriguing point that a large amount of energy could be released from a small amount of matter. This was expressed by the equation E=mc2 (energy = mass times the speed of light squared). The atomic bomb would clearly illustrate this principle.
But bombs were not what Einstein had in mind when he published this equation. Indeed, he considered himself to be a pacifist. In 1929, he publicly declared that if a war broke out he would "unconditionally refuse to do war service, direct or indirect... regardless of how the cause of the war should be judged." (Ronald Clark, "Einstein: The Life and Times", pg. 428). His position would change in 1933, as the result of Adolf Hitler's ascent to power in Germany. While still promoting peace, Einstein no longer fit his previous self-description of being an "absolute pacifist".
Einstein's greatest role in the invention of the atomic bomb was signing a letter to President Franklin Roosevelt urging that the bomb be built. The splitting of the uranium atom in Germany in December 1938 plus continued German aggression led some physicists to fear that Germany might be working on an atomic bomb. Among those concerned were physicists Leo Szilard and Eugene Wigner. But Szilard and Wigner had no influence with those in power. So in July 1939 they explained the problem to someone who did: Albert Einstein. According to Szilard, Einstein said the possibility of a chain reaction "never occurred to me", altho Einstein was quick to understand the concept (Clark, pg. 669+; Spencer Weart & Gertrud Weiss Szilard, eds., "Leo Szilard: His Version of the Facts", pg. 83). After consulting with Einstein, in August 1939 Szilard wrote a letter to President Roosevelt with Einstein's signature on it. The letter was delivered to Roosevelt in October 1939 by Alexander Sachs, a friend of the President. Germany had invaded Poland the previous month; the time was ripe for action. That October the Briggs Committee was appointed to study uranium chain reactions.
But the Briggs Committee moved very slowly, prompting Einstein, Szilard, and Sachs to write to FDR in March 1940, pointing again to German progress in uranium research (Weart & Szilard, pg. 119+). In April 1940 an Einstein letter, ghost-written by Szilard, pressed Briggs Committee chairman Lyman Briggs on the need for "greater speed" (Weart & Szilard, pg. 125+; Clark, pg. 680).
Research still proceeded slowly, because the invention of the atomic bomb seemed distant and unlikely, rather than a weapon that might be used in the current war. It was not until after the British MAUD Report was presented to FDR in October 1941 that a more accelerated pace was taken. This British document stated that an atomic bomb could be built and that it might be ready for use by late 1943, in time for use during the war (Richard Rhodes, "The Making of the Atomic Bomb", pg. 377+).
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 06:53 PM
"We have to make certain that anything that we do is going to be of lasting value."
Yeah like des(troy)ing the summer tourist season, civilian infrastucture and anything else that works in Lebanon.
Posted by: uncledad at July 19, 2006 06:53 PM
Hardly the just comeuppance for a nefarious two-faced lying conman. Not even just for a neoconman.
He belongs in the cross bar hotel and he would not have enough money to buy his way out, that would be just. He is a garden variety criminal and he belongs in jail with his business partners.
capt
Capt, I agree. I never liked Ralph Reed and he's no better than the biggest con man of all
Rev. Jesse Jackson who doesn't deserve the title Rev. Lock them both up at Gitmo! ha ha
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 06:56 PM
Yeah like des(troy)ing the summer tourist season, civilian infrastucture and anything else that works in Lebanon.
Uncle Dad
UD, Lebanon could have stopped this from ever happening by disarming Hezbollah according to the UN mandate given them.
Mark Regev, an Israeli prime ministerial spokesman, complained that neither the Lebanese Government nor the international community had ever acted to implement UN Security Council resolutions 1559 and 1580 calling for Hezbollah to be disarmed along with all other Lebanese militias.
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 07:01 PM
More good news that Arabs aren't listening to Cornnuts!
Arab world's awakening brings hope
NY Daily News ^ | July 19 2006 | Michael Goodwin
With bombs and rockets falling and civilians getting killed in three countries, it is hard to see any good news in the Mideast. But amid the carnage, there is hope. Like a ray of sunshine piercing the darkness, some Muslims are beginning to awaken to the danger of the Islamic extremists in their ranks. A handful of Arab countries, led by Saudi Arabia, are openly criticizing Hezbollah for starting the war with Israel. In the annals of Arab versus Jew, it is rare for any Arab country to publicly air the family's dirty laundry, especially during a war. Yet that...
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 07:07 PM
Another Arab that disagrees with Capts Morals:
Arab world is 'contaminated'
Arab Times ^ | Ahmed Al-Jarallah
THE Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora is supposed to be more frank and forthright, and talk about everything without any reservations. He should call spade a spade and declare that it is the adventurists who have destroyed his beautiful country. Siniora should have been frank from the beginning. Now the situation has become unbearable and unacceptable after Hezbollah became a state within the state of Lebanon. With his uncalculated and reckless adventures Hassan Nasrallah has led the people of Lebanon and the Arab world into disaster. He has exposed Lebanon to unnecessary risks under the orders of outsiders, who are telling him what to do. These outsiders are instructing Nasrallah to play political games, which are not in the interest of Lebanon or people of Arab countries.
In this situation remaining silent is not an option. Frankness and transparency have become necessary. Siniora should tell Nasrallah that he has put Lebanon in a critical situation. With his irresponsible adventures Nasrallah has emulated Saddam Hussein, who put Iraq in a dilemma with his deceptive military parades and empty threats. As a result of Saddam's antics Iraq has been destroyed and is still under occupation. It is getting closer to an ethnic and sectarian war. The destruction of Iraq was caused by one person. Similarly the ill-advised actions of one person are destroying Lebanon.
Like Saddam Hussein, Hassan Nasrallah has done some grave miscalculations. Maybe he thought that the capture of the two Israeli soldiers will be limited to the kidnapping incident and his conditions for their release will boost his popularity. Maybe Nasrallah assumed this will help him achieve the ambitions of another country, which wants to have a presence in Lebanon. However, Nasrallah has led himself and the people of Lebanon into a dangerous situation. He must be aware Almighty Allah prohibited such behavior when He said "Do not put yourself in danger."
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 07:08 PM
I am hoping for Israel to wipe out Hezbollah and Hamas. There will not be peace for Lebanon nor the Palestinians with Israel until the terrorists are defeated and removed from the region. Next up, Syria and Iran. Go Israel! And don't wall for that cease-fire crap. Nothing more than a chance for Hezbollah and Hamas to reload and reinforce.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 07:10 PM
Good article by Fred Kaplan on Slate explaining some important points about Hezbollah.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 07:18 PM
Al Gore should have called his mockumentary
A Convenient Parody.
He truly is off his proverbial rocker. Something most people knew 6 years ago yet most Liberals find him credible. Keep thinking that way folks. It only helps us Conservatives.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 07:19 PM
Factchecker 62
Thanks for the feedback...
I don't mind the lunatic rantings by the resident trolls here about Bush, but when they come out swinging for Hezbollah when these terrorists aren't supported by anyone else other than Syria and Iran, enough is enough!
I have a niece who just finished basic military training in Israel and is at a border check point where the other two soldiers were kidnapped. We talk to her on a daily basis when possible and are very worried about her safety. She on the other hand is not worried and is proud to be part of the defense of her new country.
I find it personally insulting that liberal hacks like these cornnuts who thank they know everything about the middle east because they read about it on the Daily Kook web site but have never been there. It's only right to point out there blind hatred (bigotry) of the Jewish state and it's people.
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 07:22 PM
Left wingers undying support of terrorist in full display:
Hamas and Hezbollah Find Support in an Unexpected Place
Fox News ^ | July 19, 2006 |
Who Likes Hamas? With even the Arab League blaming Hezbollah and Hamas for the violence in the Middle East, it seems the terrorist organizations' last bastions of support are Iran, Syria Ñ and parts of California. Left-wing protesters chanting their support for the two groups in front of the Israeli consulate in San Francisco had to be separated from pro-Israel demonstrators by police the other day. Many protesters waved Palestinian flags, while some mask-wearing demonstrators wore t-shirts advocating violence against Jews.
Friggin Liberal Morals - according to Capt & Co.!
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 07:34 PM
Alan Beuf(?) on Sloan suggests that this war won't be Israel's last, but you have to infer the reasons for this claim.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 07:36 PM
Err, Aleuf Benn on Salon ...
Apologies.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 07:37 PM
Coulter bitch slaps liberals again! This ones LOL, unless you're a liberal!!!
Liberals: Born to Run
by Ann Coulter
I knew the events in the Middle East were big when the New York Times devoted nearly as much space to them as it did to a New York court ruling last week rejecting gay marriage.
Some have argued that Israel's response is disproportionate, which is actually correct: It wasn't nearly strong enough. I know this because there are parts of South Lebanon still standing.
Most Americans have been glued to their TV sets, transfixed by Israel's show of power, wondering, "Gee, why can't we do that?"
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean says that "what's going on in the Middle East today" wouldn't be happening if the Democrats were in power. Yes, if the Democrats were running things, our cities would be ash heaps and the state of Israel would have been wiped off the map by now.
But according to Dean, the Democrats would have the "moral authority that Bill Clinton had" -- no wait! keep reading -- "when he brought together the Israelis and Palestinians." Clinton really brokered a Peace in Our Time with that deal -- "our time" being a reference to that five-minute span during which he announced it. Yasser Arafat immediately backed out on all his promises and launched the second intifada.
The fact that Israel is able to launch an attack on Hezbollah today without instantly inciting a multination conflagration in the Middle East is proof of what Bush has accomplished. He has begun to create a moderate block of Arab leaders who are apparently not interested in becoming the next Saddam Hussein.
There's been no stock market crash, showing that the markets have confidence that Israel will deal appropriately with the problem and that it won't expand into World War III.
But liberals can never abandon the idea that we must soothe savage beasts with appeasement -- whether they're dealing with murderers like Willie Horton or Islamic terrorists. Then the beast eats you.
There are only two choices with savages: Fight or run. Democrats always want to run, but they dress it up in meaningless catchphrases like "diplomacy," "detente," "engagement," "multilateral engagement," "multilateral diplomacy," "containment" and "going to the U.N."
I guess they figure, "Hey, appeasement worked pretty well with ... uh ... wait, I know this one ... ummm ... tip of my tongue ..."
Democrats like to talk tough, but you can never trap them into fighting. There is always an obscure objection to be raised in this particular instance -- but in some future war they would be intrepid! One simply can't imagine what that war would be.
Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from.
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 07:40 PM
Knucklehead Diplomacy, Bush Style
Here's the leader of the free world speaking to President Hu Jintao of China: "Where you going? Home? This is your neighborhood; it won't take you long to get home. . . . You get home in 8 hours? Me too! Russia is a big country, and you're a big country."
The era of cowboy diplomacy may be over, but we have two and a half more years of knucklehead diplomacy to go.
It would be funny if it weren't so terrifying. Remember, right after 9-11 when the big Republican talking point was "thank god the grown-ups are in charge"?
Doesn't have quite the same ring today.
But as terrorist violence and military reprisals worsen in Israel and Lebanon, and Americans feel less safe, a certain skepticism of the political motivations on all sides is some comfort.
More HERE
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The world is less safe for all of the Bush machinations. It does not take a rocket scientists to know voting for him was a bad bet. To continue to support the force that is destroying us is not sane, not smart and clearly not well thought through. If he is making the world less safe by his blunders it is the duty of a citizen to make him stop.
Blind support is blind and limited without reason.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 07:40 PM
Don't take it personally LBH. He he he. Any neice of yours is a friend of mine. Her government's foriegn policy however it brutal and murderous. There is no need for killing innocent Lebanese children. It's just collateral damage I suppose you'd say. Well, that me be ok for you but it's not ok for me. I'm glad Israel is our ally in the middle east. I'm glad Lenanon is too. I think we should pull the plug on the bombing. It's criminal.
Posted by: Happy but chastized but Happy at July 19, 2006 07:53 PM
There will be peace in the Middle East when an enemy of Israel is defeated. It happened with Egypt and Jordan. The palistinian people are not the enemies of Israel nor are the Lebanese. But Hamas and Hezbollah are as are their sponsors, Syria and Iran. When the terrorists are defeated and Syria and Iran have democratic governments, there may be peace in the region. Until then, no cease-fire, no concessions, and no waivering. All the above must happen, because the terrorists, Syria and Iran do not want land for the palistinians, they want Israeli's out of the middle east. Not going to happen. If there is to be peace, it will come from Israel being the victor, not the appeasor.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 07:54 PM
76 I had relations with Ann Coulter once. Write me at my personal email address and I'll tell you what I found!!!!!!!
Posted by: Happy but chastized but Happy at July 19, 2006 07:55 PM
Geron gains on stem-cell rat study
Safety experiment drives biotech stock, despite Bush veto.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Geron Corp.'s stock price rose significantly after the biotech announced that its experimental, stem-cell-based therapy for spinal cord injuries is safe in rats.
Geron's (Charts) stock price rose 4 percent following the announcement regarding the experimental treatment called GRNOPC1, which is based on human embryonic stem cells. The study is still in the early stages, and analysts believe that the biotech industry is years away from producing stem-cell-based therapies.
More HERE
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Bush can go down in history with regard for spinal cord injured just like Reagan did for AID's. A effin monster that put ideology before good sense, demagoguery for HIS sake while others suffer. It is just like the Terri Schivo debacle. If the neocons think it will rally support they will set aside concern for anybody except themselves.
They should be very ashamed. But just like sociopaths they do not care. Sely and party before anything.
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 07:57 PM
All they can cling to is their blinding hatred for Bush and capitalism.
Factchecker
That's OK, between you, me and happy, capitalism is still thriving as the world's envy. Even with all my posting today I was able to close a $100,000 deal with a 15% commission. Not bad in a hard days work of defeating liberalism and creating capitalism.
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 07:57 PM
Bush did not nor has he ever put an end to stem-cell research. If there is such promise, the private sector will gladly fund the research and profit from it if it is successful. This is America, not France.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 08:01 PM
Ahh France. the land of long bread and stinky cheese.
Posted by: Happy but chastized but Happy at July 19, 2006 08:03 PM
Different perspectives at
Asia Times Online
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 08:04 PM
#80 I had relations with Ann Coulter once. Write me at my personal email address and I'll tell you what I found!!!!!!!
.................................................
I know, I know already. You once were a women that is now a man and dated Ann Coulter. Let me guess, you are............... Helen Thomas!
No, No, Al Franken!
No, No, Rhandy Rhodes. My liberal friends tell me she/he has a big one! She decided to keep it after the operation and could be a he or she! ha ha ha!
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 08:05 PM
U.S. ramps up evacuations from Lebanon
BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) Ñ The United States ramped up its evacuation of citizens from Lebanon on after a slow start as a luxury cruise ship carrying 1,000 Americans arrived in Cyprus early Thursday, a week after the Israeli bombardment began.
The Orient Queen reached Cyprus' port of Larnaca after a nine-hour journey, completing the first in a massive relay to evacuate thousands of U.S. citizens from war-ton Lebanon.
The eight-deck cruise liner's voyage was the first mass U.S. exodus from Lebanon since Israeli airstrikes started more than a week ago. The Orient Queen was just one among dozens of cruise ships taking part in the evacuation of thousands of foreigner fd rom Lebanon.
More HERE
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Bush gives the green-light BEFORE our people have been evacuated? That says a lot about what are his priorities. Bomb first American citizens after, if we lose a few well, that is the cost of incompetence.
What is a few moer Americans oine way or the other. A cease fire would have allowed for it but continued bombing of the grain silos and hospitals was in a rush. They only have until the end of the week. Hurry hurry, lots to kill and only so many sorties?
That is the sickest most vile discount of American citizens lives our government has made in many years!
capt
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 08:07 PM
BYOB
Capt can't accept anyhting less than a government program. We all know how well the government handles programs (Katrina).
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 08:08 PM
LBH --- Advice. You destroy the effectiveness of your serious posts by engaging in such trash as #86.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 08:09 PM
One more week? Don't think so. Israel will go til all of Hezbollah and Hamas are defeated. No holding back this time. The time is ripe for both of them to be wiped out.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 08:11 PM
#51 kathleen, that has been my prediction but I thought Bush would go nuclear before Olmert. Either Bush or Olmert will go nuclear. The reinstatement of the military draft has already been drawn and it will now be voted on.
kathleen, THERE WILL BE NO PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN 2008!!! A 2006 ELECTION IS NOW 50-50.
HITLER BUSH WILL NOT GIVE UP POWER FOR AS LONG AS HE LIVES. WE ARE NOW DEEPLY ENTRENCHED AS A FASCIST STATE.
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 08:11 PM
Two typo's in one post for the capt. Either the trolls are getting to him or he is low on medication. Better call the White House to get that prescription refilled.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 08:15 PM
LBH --- Advice. You destroy the effectiveness of your serious posts by engaging in such trash as #86.
DB
Mr Benson, I am sorry you have no sense of humor! One mans trash is another mans treasure! Lighten up, or light one up if that helps!!
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 08:21 PM
"UN resolutions"
1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for their immediate return.
Posted by: uncledad at July 19, 2006 08:22 PM
The U.N. is a joke. That is why most people ignore it.
With all due respect to the owner of this site, he shouldn't have to be here monitoring comments from adults. I say insult those in the public arena all you want, without profanity, but keep the disagreements between the posters civil. One can disagree and make a valid argument without profanity and name calling. David isn't a baby sitter nor should he have to feel like one. I disagree with Bush on a number of things but I do not resort to calling him names to make a point of my disagreement. I think a lot of you get your jollies by calling the President a name. How childish.
I disa
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 08:28 PM
Funny that people (neoconartists) that do not believe in the U.N. site them (resolution 1559) when it's convenient. Either you believe in U.N. or not.
Posted by: uncledad at July 19, 2006 08:30 PM
Psalm 128:1
Blessed is every one that fears the Lord: that walks in his ways.
Psalm 59:9
Because of his strength will I wait upon him: for God is my defense.
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 08:32 PM
Uncle Dad,
You can post all the worthless UN resolutions you want, but that still has nothing to do with the agreement of the entire world (except Berkley CA) that Hezbollah was wrong in kidnapping the two soldiers and attacking Israel. Not even the Arab league of Nations is using your liberal talking points. My God man, wake the F*ck up! Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that was ordered to be disarmed. You friggin terrorist lovers are getting annoying!!
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 08:32 PM
Ok, LBH. I'll just go back to skipping over all your posts the way I do the rest of the trolls.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 08:32 PM
I am not the one quoting U.N. resolutions. They are all are worthless as is the U.N.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 08:36 PM
Uncle Dad
Sighting the UN resolution 1559 just goes to show how worthless the UN is, even if they sometimes get a resolution right.
I believe the UN should be put on min wage with bonus incentives for job performance. This will get there lazy asses in gear!
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 08:36 PM
Ok, LBH. I'll just go back to skipping over all your posts the way I do the rest of the trolls.
DB
Ah, DB, you sure know how to hurt a guy's feelings!!! I'll have you know, I may not get over this.
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 08:38 PM
1. Read Matthew 25:31-46! When you do it to the least of my brethren, you do it for me.
2. Read Matthew 5:1-12! The beatitudes!
3. Read Luke 10:25-37! Who is my neighbor?
4. Read Luke 12:13-21! These verses warn us against greed.
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 08:38 PM
I do not deny the kidnapping was wrong, any loss of freedom in my mind is wrong. The problem is obvious, should we (or Israel by proxy) bomb and destroy a nation of civilians because of it? How many American soldiers have been captured by the "militants" in Iraq? Several I think. Is Iran behind those "captures"? Probably. So should we get involved in this war? Why donÕ´ we bomb Iran? You tell me.
Posted by: uncledad at July 19, 2006 08:39 PM
Arming Iraq
Posted by: Gerald at July 19, 2006 08:42 PM
How many American soldiers have been captured by the "militants" in Iraq? Several I think. Is Iran behind those "captures"? Probably. So should we get involved in this war? Why donÕ´ we bomb Iran? You tell me.
UD
If we had the resolve as Israel does to go after our enemies with full force we would not be in such a quagmire in Iraq. We could put an end to this insurgency once and for all if it weren't for liberals that can't stomach a strong use of force. We can't get info from them, we can't lock them up and for Gods sake don't be hurt anyone! Hell yes bomb Iran, start with Syria. Bomb the shit out of them and then move on to the big boys. Forget this door to door crap and just bomb them like Clinton did to the Bosnians! It worked for him didn't it?
Posted by: LBH at July 19, 2006 08:48 PM
In The Village Voice, Nat Hentoff has an article entitled "Rabbis against torture".
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 08:55 PM
A politically correct war is no way to fight. It didn't work in Viet Nam, it will not work in Iraq, and it will not work with Iran or Syria. Force the leaders into submission with our strength and let the people of those respective countries punish their former dictators. You have to give those who thirst for freedom the opportunity to be free. That means we have to destroy their captors. No freedom until then.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 08:55 PM
I suppose that should some militant from Los Angeles kidnap the Bush twins, President Bush should order the entire city bombed until he gets his daughters back? Is this the reasoning these trolls have put forth? What if they were held in London, or Paris? What about Quebec or Santiago? If a person were to declare themselves proud White Supremacists, would you still give answer to their digs? Why do you respond to such racist and hateful people as those I've seen on this blog? How is it that extremist right-wing posters have managed to get the upper hand on a liberal website? Free Republic and LGF would NEVER allow such an event to occur. Do these Bush supporters even appreciate the freedom of speech they are given here? Or, do they just love to spout hatefulness?
Posted by: RedAlert at July 19, 2006 08:55 PM
Interesting that "your" people (neoconsuperfratboys) have complete control of all 4 branches of government (executive?, house, senate, Supreme Court) but somehow it's us powerless liberals that are to blame. Your argument is baseless and lame. Wake up or go back to sleep. And do all of humanity a favor.
Posted by: uncledad at July 19, 2006 08:56 PM
Sorry if I encouraged troll feeding. Plase do not feed the trolls. Help maintain blogging hygene. Thank you.
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 08:59 PM
Four branches of Government?
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 09:00 PM
The trolls are hungry and we probably should not feed them anymore, funny how they eat what they hate?
Posted by: uncledad at July 19, 2006 09:02 PM
Four branches of Government?
It was a joke. Ever hear of irony?
Posted by: uncledad at July 19, 2006 09:03 PM
hygene?
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 09:03 PM
Oh, I get it. You were making a funny. I should have realized you were just being silly as you were with the rest of your posts. I'll get it next time. Everything uncledad posts is full of irony. I added that to my checklist. Carry on.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 09:06 PM
Plese allow me to introduce you to Racial Supremacism.
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals, and specifically dehumanises gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. We will now list some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic:
"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts." Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b
"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honour the the dog more than the non-Jew." Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30
"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form." Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855
"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." Coschen hamischpat 405
"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs." Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human." Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"." Jore dea 377, 1
"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals." Talmud Sanhedrin 74b
"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile." Sepher ikkarim III c 25
"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
How does a Jew prepare for his crime? Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Insults Against Blessed Mary Sanhedrin 106a . Says Mary was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Horrible Blasphemy Against Jesus Christ Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is being boiled in "hot excrement."
Sanhedrin 43a. Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu (Jesus) was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"
Talmud Attacks Non jews beliefs Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.
Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).
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Is this the thinking of loving human beings? Are these the people we are defending? Is this acceptable only if you are Jewish? What do Jewish people think of these teachings? Mr. Corn, will you ban me because my post is too long?
Posted by: RedAlert at July 19, 2006 09:07 PM
Opps, not 'hygene' but 'hygiene': here, sanitary or sanitation. Maybe 'antisepsis' is the better term?
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 09:14 PM
Gaza has been without drinking water for 3 weeks in 100 degree heat. Thank you democracy, sorry we picked the wrong guys.
Posted by: RedAlert at July 19, 2006 09:15 PM
Good to go! At least I knew you weren't trying to say Hi Gene!
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 09:18 PM
I did not say all was ironic, obviously your little pea brain cannot comprehend; go back to your 2 fingered website. Why do you persist here? Just to argue with a liberal? Maybe you should try it in person some time. Oh wait, you probably don't talk to the (terrorist) liberals in real life. If I was a Christian I'd pray for you, but since I'm not, I won't. This is my last transmission as I have a job to attend to tomorrow, try it some time, working for a living, that’s what us working people do.
Posted by: uncledad at July 19, 2006 09:20 PM
I was being ironic with my answer. Do you think I actually have a list? Come on! I hope you are as successful in your job as I am. Work is good for the soul.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 09:28 PM
# Red Alert...thanks for posting this. Deuteronomy is violent and filled with hate for others than non-Jews.
This book written by Jewish men has provided a foundation for some of the racism that is alive and well in Israel.
I subjected myself to the MSM tonight and David hit one of the nails on the head, the media is mainly focused on the well being of Americans.
Although on Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman they mentioned the two children who were Israeli Arabs and killed by Hezbollah's missiles/rockets ( I don't know my weapons) 16 times in two hours. There was not one mention of children in Lebanon being killed once. Just 300 Lebanese people.
I am convinced more than ever before our media is also Israeli occupied territory. They are so far from being balanced, and accurate that they are completely blind to their own complete failure in telling the truth, the facts.
Hezbollahs demands prior to this latest illegal invasion of Israel seem so reasonable. Israel stop daily flying in Lebanese air space, stop sending your ships in to Lebanese territorial waters, turn over the maps of land mines in southern Lebanon that the Israeli military planted, and turn over prisoners that have not been tried or convicted.
Israel is out of control. Boycottisraeligoods.com
Posted by: kathleen at July 19, 2006 09:32 PM
Buy, buy and buy. For every dollar you don't spend, I'll do my best to double what I already spend. That will be an increase for sure.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 09:35 PM
#94 uncledad. After the Un gave its support to the state of Israel in 1947, Israel has basically done everything to undermine the UN. Israel has basically ignored all Un resolutions that applied to them. Even though they finally left Lebanon in 2000 after occupying for 22 years, they continued to fly into Lebanese airspace, into their territorial waters and went in and kidnapped Lebanese prisoners.
And then Israel has the nerve to selectively bring up Un resolutions that apply to others. The whole world is witness to this ongoing hypocrisy and contradictions.
Israel has done everything they possibly could to undermine the U.N. along with the veto power of the U.s.
Posted by: kathleen at July 19, 2006 09:40 PM
Please, Kathleen. Answer this question for me. Where is the country of Hezbollah and who is their elected leader?
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 09:40 PM
Same goes with the country of Hamas and Palestine. Neither of the three exist. Do any of them have representation in the U.N. other than their sympathizers. Not!
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 09:43 PM
Associated Press, "Europe sweltering in record heat wave". 97.7 F south of London, highest temperature ever recorded in England in July.
And next year?
Posted by: David B. Benson at July 19, 2006 09:48 PM
Kathleen, Google Maps are a good source. I can't find them. Please let me know where you found the following countries..Hezbollah, Hamas and Palestine. And please link it, don't post the world map.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 09:53 PM
I see more senior citizens dying from heat as they did a few years back while their caretakers take their annual month long vacation and leave them without care. Europeans are not big on air conditioning or refrigeration. What is new? It is summertime. I bet it will be cold in winter. Spring and fall are always a toss up. I think that has been going on for some time now. Kinda like, forever!
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 09:57 PM
What a cruel thing is war: to separate and destroy families and friends, and mar the purest joys and happiness God has granted us in this world; to fill our hearts with hatred instead of love for our neighbors, and to devastate the fair face of this beautiful world: Robert E. Lee, letter to his wife, 1864
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Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime: Ernest Hemingway
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If we let people see that kind of thing, there would never again be any war: Pentagon official explaining why the U.S. military censored graphic footage from the Gulf War
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" Whenever a people... entrust the defence of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens.": A Framer
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Thanks ICH Newsletter!
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 10:09 PM
Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman punctuated the day with a speech to Christians United for Israel last night, declaring that "today, we are all Israelis."
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is today bring your own israeli day or what?
Posted by: spy on this! at July 19, 2006 10:10 PM
If man "A" & his friends, come into man "B" & his family's yard, and kidnap next door neighbor man "C's" children, then starts throwing grenades into man "C's" yard ... man "B" & his family should stop man "A" & his friends or die trying to stop "A" & his friends. If not, neighbor man "C" and his children are obligated to kill man "A" & his friends and man "B" & his family, because "A" started it ... and "B" is helping man "A" by allowing it to happen from his yard.
Posted by: non helper should die too at July 19, 2006 10:11 PM
BOYCOTTISRAELIGOODS.ORG
DIVESTMENT.ORG
Posted by: kathleen at July 19, 2006 10:12 PM
Hello, this is Bill Clinton and IÕm calling to ask you for your support. I am formally announcing that I am running again for president of the United States in 2008. Many of you have also heard that my wife Hillary will also be a candidate, and this is true. But donÕt vote for her. Because sheÕs been linked to such unfortunate things as Whitewater, the healthcare debacle and hiring a young, fat, and horny intern. I on the other hand had nothing to do with any of these things. And I promise the whole time I was president, I never had sex with that woman, Hillary Clinton, not one time. IÕm Bill Clinton, and I approved this message.
Disclaimer: This message was brought to you by the Elect a Clinton President Committee Ð not associated with Hillary Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, or George Clinton of the P-Funk Allstars.
What is even funnier is that most of you would vote for him.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 10:17 PM
Did'nt JFK declare himself to be a Berliner? What the heck is your point?
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 10:19 PM
The child lies like a rag doll - a symbol of the latest Lebanon war
By Robert Fisk in Beirut
Published: 20 July 2006
How soon must we use the words "war crime"? How many children must be scattered in the rubble of Israeli air attacks before we reject the obscene phrase "collateral damage" and start talking about prosecution for crimes against humanity?
The child whose dead body lies like a rag doll beside the cars which were supposedly taking her and her family to safety is a symbol of the latest Lebanon war; she was hurled from the vehicle in which she and her family were travelling in southern Lebanon as they fled their village - on Israel's own instructions. Because her parents were apparently killed in the same Israeli air attack, her name is still unknown. Not an unknown warrior, but an unknown child.
at Independent
Posted by: kathleen at July 19, 2006 10:22 PM
I'm waiting on that map Kathleen. I know you wouldn't post something like that without being able to back it up. Or may I do. When the aforementioned have a country and elected leaders, they may deserve some credibility. Until then, they are terrorists and nothing more. Why you think they deserve to be recognized is beyond reason.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 10:25 PM
Kathleen
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BOYCOTTISRAELIGOODS.ORG
It really hurts me to say this, but, "once again, Kathleen, you have proven yourself to be a bigger moron than, well, than ANYONE".
I bet you also blame the rape victims rather than the rapist.
Oh what a fool you are.
Posted by: Kathleen is a morom at July 19, 2006 10:26 PM
And up next, Robert Fisk's obit. Hanging out with the terrorists are we? Oh well.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 10:27 PM
"If one speaks or acts with a cruel mind, misery follows, as the cart follows the horse... If one speaks or acts with a pure mind, happiness follows, as a shadow follows its source." ~ the Dhammapada
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 10:29 PM
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength." ~ Eric Hoffer (1902 - 1983)
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 10:30 PM
Fortune cookies? What has that have to do with this discussion? You need some medication. Call the White House. The government may fill your prescription about 6 months from now, if you are lucky.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 10:34 PM
Will Aipac be successful at having this case dismissed?
AIPAC was pressured to cut off
embattled analysts, motion charges
By Ron Kampeas
July 19, 2006
WASHINGTON, July 19 (JTA) Ñ A motion to dismiss a classified information case against two former pro-Israel lobbyists alleges that federal prosecutors pressured the American Israel Public Affairs Committee into firing its employees and cutting off their legal fees and health benefits.
The motion filed Tuesday says the prosecutors made the firing of Steve Rosen, AIPACÕ³ former foreign policy director, and Keith Weissman, its former Iran analyst, a condition of dropping an investigation of AIPAC itself.
The motion marks the first time it has been revealed in an unsealed court document that the organization was ever the subject of an investigation.
Prosecutors did not return requests for comment. A spokesman for AIPAC said the motion was Ò³electiveÓ and a Ò³ignificant
at JTA
Posted by: kathleen at July 19, 2006 10:42 PM
Thank you, Kathleen. I have my answer. You are persona non grata as far as I am concerned. Hezbollah demands are reasonable? Get real.
Posted by: BYOB at July 19, 2006 10:45 PM
"If you judge people, you have no time to love them." ~ Mother Teresa (1910 - 1997)
Posted by: capt at July 19, 2006 10:52 PM
"It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
"If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." ~ Rene Descartes (1596 - 1650)
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, bu