bush will dither and watch a nation be killed, one bomb at a time, but will save innocent lives of blastocysts.

He is insane.

Another indicator...out of step with bush...

John Thune who ousted Tom Daschle two years ago, in part, by kissing bush's cheerleading derriere now says:

"If I were running in the state this year, you obviously don't embrace the president and his agenda," Thune told reporters at the National Press Club. He said the Iraq war is Bush's biggest problem.

Hmmmm -- bush is the same old lying, incompetent boob he was two years ago, why is the GOPher senator from South Dakota "out of thune" with the president now? Could it be that more people are wising up in the heartlands?

He is also allowing the destruction of cities and towns. He's also ignoring the situation as the destruction of roads, bridges, hospitals, schools, factories, markets continues.
He is allowing Israel to destroy Lebanon. This in itself is destructive to human life. Thousands will die not by bombs but by disease, starvation, and dehydration. Their hope and security is being dismantled along with their homes.
This isn't showing respect for dignity of life, but it is showing the American citizen what the Bush administration is all about.

Mr. David Corn,

We all know that once a fetus has been born they are on their own in the "culture of death".

"The president believes that unless you address the root causes of the violence that has afflicted the Middle East, you cannot forge a lasting peace. He mourns the loss of every life. Yet out of this tragic development, he believes a moment of clarity has arrived."

Good to know "clarity", for the Busheney crime family means muddy and opaque. We live in backwards bizarro world.

"As long as we save the blastocysts here, we do not have to save the people anywhere else."

Makes sense that the WH would save the snowflake babies here so they can kill or give the "green light" to kill people over there.

Thanks for all of your work!

Kirk

In the Major Leagues of political play, one should never look for consistencies or logic. All such conventions has long since been abandoned. Say what you need to say at the time, deny that anything other than what you say can possibly be true and then move on to the next occasion to say something you need to say at THAT time. Then deny that what you said was what you meant........

Repeat as necessary.

-T

Residents of Besieged City Feel 'Just Left Here to Die'

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TYRE, Lebanon, July 20 -- The warning came in the morning Thursday, a recorded message dialed to phone numbers in southern Lebanon. In flawless Arabic, it instructed: Leave now, beyond the Litani River that bisects the rock-studded wadis of the south. Don't flee on motorcycles or in vans or trucks. Otherwise, you will be a target. The message signed off simply: the state of Israel.

But leaving this southern Lebanese city Thursday was more complicated than a choice. Aid officials say that tens of thousands have already fled Tyre and its environs along the Mediterranean Sea but that perhaps 12,000 Lebanese remain stranded. The wartime circumstances of a besieged city keep them here: no gasoline for their cars, no money for taxi fares that have surged 75-fold, no faith in assurances from Israeli forces that have repeatedly attacked civilian vehicles and, most desperately, no hope of finding safety.
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Start walkin' or continue dyin'!

Of course, since the bridges are out, the roads are pockmarked with bomb craters...there's probably mines and unexploded ordinance scattered about and, OH, you're about 90 years old trying to carry your great-grandchild on your back...

...but start walkin' or keep dyin'!

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!

"...."We're just left here to die," said Maher Yassin, standing across from Tyre's harbor and wearing a shirt that read, "Mortal."
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Mortal, indeed...and one of the most well-funded and equipped military force on the planet are doing their level best to prove it.

F!

As for the American citizens trying to leave? What a joke. It's the same as Katrina. The US is telling the citizens to call, fax whatever. They call and fax and don't know if they are getting on a list. They call again and find out there's no way of knowing whether they are on a list. They call and find out they need to just show up and hope they can get on transportation out. If they can't they come back the next day.

In the meantime Bush congradualates Israel on their fine work. Keep it up. Not only are you killing Lebanese civilians by the hundreds but you are also targeting American citizens in the process. Excellent. Culture of life. Dignity of human life. Blah Blah Blah....blah....blah....

It is a shame that President Bush does not value Iraqi and Lebanese childrens lives as much as he values American embryo's.

SAVE THE AMERICAN EMBRYO'S.

KILL IRAQI'S AND LEBANESE.

SO VERY CHRISTIAN....

Posted by: kathleen at July 19,

congratulates, congratulates, congratulates.

Call, e-mail your representaves today or next week about the most recent vote to support Israel no matter what they do. They are being hammered by callers against this persistent and unfair "disproportionate support" of Israel.

In the news it is "even" being admitted that they are feeling the heat from the Israeli Lobby in the upcoming elections. Let your representatives know there are people out here who do not agree with the lop-sided policies in support of Israel.

Call,write, visit let them know that you do not support Israel when they continue to be in violation of a huge list of UN resolutions, invade a sovereign nation, and continue to expand illegal settlements. Call them, email, visit. Get to the root causes of the conflict in the middle east

COUNCIL FOR THE NATIONAL INTEREST (CNI) IS A GREAT WEBSITE FOR PARTICIPATING IN PULLING THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER AIPAC AND THE ISRAELI LOBBY.

Call, write, NPR about their obvious unfair coverage on Israel's invasion of Lebanon. Call them about their obvious focus on Iran and Syria by Ted Koppel, Daniel Schorr and other analyst and reporters from NPR.

NPR is also being hammered...keep pounding them with your phone calls, e mails. Just go to NPR contact us and let them know what you think.

Perhaps targeting civilians is part of the overall plan.  Deliberately killing civilians will ensure that ordinary citizens in other countries will wonder if they'll be a target someday.

It's a fearsome tactic. There is fear in war. The more fear, the more control.

Soon, there may be a targeted "war" on stem cells researchers, fertility clinics, people who fund such research. bush's *moral clarity* will stir the faithful to action.

Bush and many right wing Christians are clearly PRO BIRTH BUT THEY ARE NOT PRO LIFE.

If Bush, right wing Christians, Zionist and any other fundamentalist were really

Pro life they would stand up to protect the lives of the Iraqi people and the Lebanese not just american Embryo's

Pro life they would push for diplomacy and negotiations with other nations and they would have supported the ongoing weapons inspections that were taking place in Iraq before we pre-emptively invaded Iran.

Pro-life people would push for supporting the UN's efforts to reign in the militant methods used by the Israeli government.

Pro-life individuals would stand up for the rights of the Palestinian people as well as the Israeli people.

Pro LIfe individuasl would push for massive amounts of funds, peacekeepers in Darfur and for increasing our foreign aid which is less than 1% of the GNP.

Pro Life supporters would push for equity in education, a living wage, and health care for all

Pro life supporters would push for enviromental standards that would benefit all on the planet.

Instead they should tell the truth and put bumper stickers on their cars that say

SAVE AMERICAN EMBYRO'S

"..."We'll not go," insisted Ahmed Mroueh, the director of Jabal Amel Hospital. He repeated the words, perhaps to reassure himself. "What else can you do? There's just no alternative. Can we leave the wounded and run away? We have to keep working."

Mroueh flipped through the handwritten ledger on his desk listing the 228 wounded his hospital has treated since fighting began.

"Look at this," he said, running down the list.

"One 11 years old, one 5 years old, one 4 years old." He stopped, just briefly. "This is a 3-month-old." Each was highlighted in yellow to denote a death. "We have not received one injured, not one dead, who's not a civilian."
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This is a good time for a "War Prayer"

"You have heard your servant's prayer -- the uttered part of it. I am commissioned of God to put into words the other part of it -- that part which the pastor -- and also you in your hearts -- fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: 'Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!' That is sufficient. the *whole* of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory--*must* follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

(*After a pause.*) "Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits!"

It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.
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This is all so disappointing..
simply disappointing.

Israel Calls Up Reserves as Air Raids Continue in Lebanon

How about Israel's citizens who are being bombed by Hezbolla, and Hezbolla started it and the Lebenase government will not even try to stop their own terrorists.

My hope is we give Israel a nuke, and they wipe Hezbolla and the people who will not try to stop, or die trying to stop Hezbolla from killing innocent citizens of Israel.

Uhm,

Israel Nuclear Arsenal (est)

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Where do the FIND these gize?

Call, write, NPR...
Posted by: kathleen at July 21, 2006 10:57 AM

Just did, by NPR's website, to voice support for its analysis fingering Iran!

This is from an article called

Signs Editorial: "The Real Enemy" Joe Quinn Signs of the Times 20/07/2006

Is It Really About Defence?

As an explanation for the murder of 300 Lebanese civilians over the past 7 days and the murder of over 3,000 Palestinian civilians and 800 Israeli civilians over the past five years, Bush and Olmert repeatedly state that "Israel has a right to defend itself". When the facts are analysed, this claim is nonsensical and an outright lie. The Israeli military has been occupying Palestinian, Lebanese (the Chebaa Farms area) and Syrian (Golan heights) for almost 40 years. In the Palestinian land that it occupies, the Israeli government had reduced the Palestinian population therein to little more than slaves. Israel holds these lands in defiance of international law. This is the major source of Palestinian and Hezbollah resentment towards and attacks on Israel. The continuation of an enforced occupation of the sovereign territory of another people and nation simply cannot be described as "defence". If a person comes and throws you out of your home and occupies it by force of arms, he may claim that he is "defending" it, but it is a defence of something acquired through illegal means and is therefore an unlawful and aggressive act. It is not defence.

The history of Israeli tactics in the occupied Palestinian territories over the past 50 years make it very clear that the ultimate goal of the Israeli power brokers has always been the removal, in one way or another, of all Palestinians from their land.

Now remember, other than the miniscule Gaza strip, this is all of the land available for a Palestinian state! The Israeli government began building the illegal settlements in 1967, they same year that it annexed Lebanese and Syrian land. Today, Israeli settlers live in plush comfortable houses with all amenities on 40% of Palestinian land in the West Bank, while Palestinians regularly have their meager houses destroyed by Israeli bulldozers. All crossings out of Gaza and the West Bank are strictly controlled by Israeli troops, with most Palestinians being denied the right to leave. Poverty in Gaza and the West Bank is rife with 65% of the population living below the poverty line i.e. on less than $2 per day.

What is very clear to Palestinians, and has been for a very long time, is that the Israeli government never intended to allow the Palestinians to have a state of their own. Palestinians are painfully aware of the fact that, since 1967, the Israeli government has been preparing what was left of Palestinian land for a final annexation into Israel, with the only impediment to the fulfillment of this plan being the Palestinians living there. With the recent staged crisis, Israel hopes to find the opportunity to deal with this last 'obstacle' to Greater Israel, once and for all. Clearly then, it is the Palestinians, and now the Lebanese, who are, and have always been engaged in defence against a long-term and ongoing Israeli plot to dispossess them of their land and homes forever.

How do you feel about this?
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The nonsensical picture presented by the Israel supporters is barren of historical facts. Comparing Mexican militants kidnapping border agents to what has been happening in Palestine for the past 50 years is so over simplified it doesn't even deserve commentary.

Why is it, when the Lebanese people and government actively help Hezbolla and Hamas attack, and kill innocent civilians and soldiers, you blame the victim for fighting back against a vicious aggressor like the Lebanese people, government, Hezbolla and Hamas ?

Why is it, that American Liberals ALWAYS take the side of the Terrorists, no matter who they kill?

Why is it that American Liberals think terrorists should be allowed to kill women, children and soldiers at will, without consequence?

It seems only Israeli terrorists should be allowed to murder innocent men, women and children. This they call defence even though it is ISRAEL that is the occupier. Why is it that the UN is inconsequencial until Israel uses it as a shield? Why is it that all of the peoples of the Middle East must abide by UN Resolutions, except for Israel, who has been flagrantly violating every resolution aimed at making them stay within the original boundaries set for them?

Why is it that the UN gives Terrorists a pass on everything they do, and only complains, because that is all the UN is capable of doing, about non terrorist countries that try to defend themselves against violence perpetrated on them by
terrorists like Hezbolla, Hamas and the Lebanese who will not try to stop the terrorist groups they pay so it won't look like the Lebanese people and government are actually doing what they are doing?

I repeat....

Democracy Now:

RALPH NADER: Well, of course, the history of this is not just two weeks old. In 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon, violating all kinds of Geneva conventions and UN resolutions, the New York Times' Tom Friedman accused the Israeli military, actually reported, indiscriminate bombing in Beirut, and there were warships, Israeli shelling indiscriminately in Beirut. These are total war crimes, massive damage and death and destruction to innocent people.

The border between Israel and Lebanon involves raids of Israel, much more than Hezbollah, because of the more powerful factor. They still control large farm acreage, the Shebaa Farms, which are Lebanese soil. The Israelis have abducted Israeli civilians. They won’¥ tell the United Nations or the Lebanese government the location for thousands of land mines in South Lebanon so they can be deactivated. And during the 18-year occupation of South Lebanon, itself illegal under international law from 1982 to the year 2000, Israel drew water, precious water, from the Litani and even took fertile topsoil back to Israel, and other plunders. So, you know, for Tony Snow to act like, well, you know, everything started with this attack by Hezbollah, which is basically an attack designed to provide for a prisoner exchange. This has happened numerous times over the Lebanese-Israeli border.

But as Israeli commentators pointed out, this invasion of Lebanon doesn't have anything to do with it. This is just a pretext by Israel, that Israel wants a puppet regime in Lebanon. It cannot stand an independent Lebanon, and it seeks to achieve that objective by this massive invasion and dividing the sectarian conflicts, as it did in 1982. So, it's really tragic to see the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Nicholas Burns, and others acting as if they were emissaries of the Israeli embassy. When Mr. Burns said on the McNeil-Lehrer Report the other night that all the civilian deaths and destruction in Lebanon are due to Hezbollah, that is the kind of go signal that the Israeli regime wants to hear from the United States.
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I believe the lunatics in power in Israel believe that this is the time to do it. The Bush Administration will do nothing to stop it.

#23, find a nickle and buy a clue, Pal!

Better go back and study the conflicts between Israel and Lebanon starting in the 1950's until now before you make assumptions of who is at fault here.

Your lack of historical understanding is blatantly obvious.

It is not possible to believe such outlandish propaganda if you have a proper grasp of history. Intellectual laziness and INcuriousness make for ridiculous statements. Soon they will be claiming that the Litani River belonged to Israel all along, and that they are only defending it.

Majority of Republican physicians favor embryonic stem cell research

A poll shows that physicians who identify as Republicans support the research method, RAW STORY has learned, offering another indication that George W. Bush's veto of legislation to encourage embryonic stem cell research might alienate some Republican voters.

A national survey of 737 physicians was completed by HCD Research and Muhlenberg College Institute of Public Opinion. The poll's findings showed that while Republican physicians see promise in adult stem cell research, they also favor use of stem cells from embryos.
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Bush is sooo clueless. And he doesn't even care.

#26
Not only will they be claiming it, they will be believing it.

I am a Canadian, and I have to say I feel exactly the same as the American Liberal on this Lebanon / Israel conflict.

Israel deserves anything they get, after all, like Canadian's and Liberal Americans believe, they are just Jews. It's not like they are real people or anything.

US intelligence chief blocks analysis of Iraq civil war

Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte is preventing a thorough examination by intelligence analysts of the civil war in Iraq, RAW STORY has learned.

A report at Washington Babylon, the blog of Harper's Magazine's Washington Editor Ken Silverstein, indicates that Iraq analysts at the CIA have been pushing to complete a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on the political situation in the country. NIE's are the most authoritative intelligence documents produced by the CIA, and the last NIE on Iraq was rejected by the Bush administration for being too negative.

But since the calls to analyze the Iraq conflict have emerged, Silverstein reports, Negroponte has tamped them down. One of Silverstein's sources explained that Negroponte didn't want President George W. Bush to be confronted with a pessimistic assessment of the war in Iraq.
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confronted with a pessimistic assessment of the war in Iraq? HELLO!!! He's the president. He's supposed to know more than me.

#29
Sob story.

Get real. A Jew is part of the human race which including all humans, not just the chosen. They, like the Lebanese and the Palestinians deserve dignity, humanity, peace, security. The Israeli acts are madness which will ensure conflict, strife, violence, war for years to come.

The terrorists in all countries are also contributing to the conflict but to find this Israeli criminality justifiable is wrong. I will not do it. Sorry.

The trolls can't see past the end of their nose, israel shelled a gaza beach and killed seven members of a family then kidnapped two doctors before the problems started, both of these were war crimes or even worse. So how do you see the problem in Lebanon, a grab for water and that is all it is, the zionists are nothing more than a street gang with weapons from the US. Not condemning them for this highly inappropriate response to the capture of two soldiers is ridiculous, and if you believe all of this crap from the media then you are as dumb as a bag of hammers, and deserve the new government you are about to get, sig heil butthead!!

Julian Bond is so diplomatic. I have met him. He talked to my daughter. He's such a kind soul. When they use the phrase 'rise above' they are thinking about Julian Bond.

For Bush and the NAACP, Uneasy Does It

President Bush was benefiting from the soft bigotry of low expectations when he addressed the NAACP convention yesterday. But that wasn't quite enough to get him through.

The president was ending his five-year boycott of the nation's largest civil rights organization, and the group was doing its best to "welcome the stranger," as Chairman Julian Bond put it, graciously. When Bush arrived, organizers whisked "Grey's Anatomy" actor Isaiah Washington off the stage, even though he was only 49 seconds into his speech.

Gravity, however, could be defied only so long. A little while after Bush acknowledged that "many African Americans distrust my political party," four men in the Massachusetts section rose to demonstrate that distrust by shouting epithets at the president. The ruckus continued until Bond got up and walked behind Bush to make sure the miscreants were removed.

"Don't worry about it," Bush said. "I'm almost finished." He displayed the enthusiasm of a man undergoing an uncomfortable medical procedure.

"I know you can handle it," Bond consoled.

I think this will help.

I believe most posters here believe the lies they read or hear on propaganda rag American hating communist radio & TV stations, magazines and newspapers like NPR, The Nation Magazine, L.A. & New York Times and CNN. If Liberals would
actually listen to fact and reality, they would not be so ignorant.

All you have to do is start listening to truthful news, and you will not seem so ignorant and naive.

Meanwhile back @ Davids original post, here's my two cents worth on the stem cell issue.

Bush is a supreme liar, and armed with that knowledge whatever he says can be interpreted to be a lie, therefore the opposite is true.

So when he says "life is precious and valuable" he really means lives other than his own are NOT valuable literally, politicaly however if he needs to sound like a "good guy" guess what? any lie will do.

This man and his fellow chickenhawks have worn out their welcome in this country and should be behind bars for crimes against humanity, period!

I believe the original stem cell issue was federal funding of research, not a ban on research, so we will have to raise the money by other means thats all.

#32
WTF,
You would be interested in Democracy Now today. They interview Frida Berrigan of the 'World Policy Institute'. They have a new report.

FRIDA BERRIGAN: Sure. Almost all of the weapons used by Israel are from the United States. There might be a couple French fighter planes that they're using, but its F-16s made in Fort Worth, Texas; its Apache helicopters; its Sparrow and Sidewinder missiles; it's all from the United States. So you have this real disconnect between an overemphasis on the supply by Iran and Syria of Hezbollah's weapons and no discussion of the fact that all of the Israeli arsenal is from the United States, and that that is in contravention to U.S. law. to the Arms Export Control Act, which says that U.S.-origin weapons are only to be used for self-defense and for internal security.

JUAN GONZALEZ: And your report indicates that Israel has always been the largest recipient of military aid from the United States, but that that's actually increased since 2001?

FRIDA BERRIGAN: We're looking at incredible increases in U.S. military aid and weapons sales to Israel. Military aid stands at about $3 billion a year. That's about $500 for every Israeli citizen that the United States provides on an annual basis. And then, weapons sales, most recently, since the Bush administration came into power, we’≤e looking at $6.3 billion worth of weaponry sold to Israel.

Israel's relationship with the United States is unique in a number of ways. And one of those ways is that essentially the United States provides 20% of the Israeli military budget on an annual basis, and then about 70% of that money that is given from the United States, from U.S. taxpayers, to Israel is then spent on weapons from Lockheed Martin and Boeing and Raytheon. Most other countries don't have that sort of cash relationship, where they go straight to U.S. corporations with U.S. money to buy weapons that are then used in the Occupied Territories and against Lebanon.

Mr Corn

You shamelessly blame the US and Israel for killing civilians but not a word about the Hezbollah terrorists killing civilians. Why is it that you give such a blind pass to friggin terrorists? I wouldn't expect anything less from your Cornnut groupies here, but I thought you had more integrity! Anything to bash Bush and Israel heh?

Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE the terrorists. I am ALWAYS taking their side. I am just SO IN LOVE with the terrorists.

The headline should read for liberals:

PRO-LIFE? Not when it comes to bombing Isreal!

#35
So what he is vetoing is the use of taxes to fund research. Another way to cut money out of the budget. Excellent. More money for the bush administration and friends pockets. What happens when they are in need of the research?

The terrorists in all countries are also contributing to the conflict but to find this Israeli criminality justifiable is wrong. I will not do it. Sorry.

Jeanne

So Jeanne, what's your brilliant solution for the crisis? Should Israel just let terrorists kidnap there people or send rockets into there cities and just turn the other cheek? Please tell us what a liberal would do? I'm sooooo dying to here this!

A certain blogger here at Nr. dreißig sieben should read for content:

David Corn wrote: (By the way, Hezbollah's rockets attack, which target Israeli civilians, are also immoral actions.)

Caroline--you think the trolls actually read David's articles?

Don't give them so much credit, their opinions were formed long before they read any of his words, which is why they don't find the caveats.

They also don't do nuance.

Good or evil with nothing inbetween.

Mr Corn

You bash Bush and Israel for civilian deaths but what about the Democrats in Congress? Is Harry Reid who voiced support for Israels aggression just as guilty? Are you afraid to bash Democrats so close to election day? Why did you leave them out?

David Corn wrote: (By the way, Hezbollah's rockets attack, which target Israeli civilians, are also immoral actions.)

Caroline

As if footnotes are comparable to his slamming of Israel for blame! "By the way" - thats almost friggin funny!

I would love to hear what Mr Corns brilliant solution to the crisis is. Another cease fire with a terrorist group? Ya, that's worked for the last 50 years.

My hope is we give Israel a nuke, and they wipe Hezbolla and the people who will not try to stop, or die trying to stop Hezbolla from killing innocent citizens of Israel.
Posted by: curious at July 21, 2006 11:17 AM

Why would Israel need us to give them a nuke? (Do you ever read or do you just blog?) Why would they use a nuke on their own border with Lebanon? Why would a democratic government use a nuclear weapon at this time in the history of civilization when the biggest threat to our existence is the use of nuclear weapons?

It is the people who feel the least powerful that call for the use of the most lethal power.

Wipe that egg off your face, Tony Snow, you look less credible every day!

"...Asked on NBC's "Today" show whether Washington was trying to discourage Israel from notions about a ground invasion, Snow replied: "We have not been doing military collaboration or planning with the Israelis. But what we have been doing instead is urging the Israelis to use restraint."

He urged patience with the administration's methodical approach, saying "the people who are talking about too little, too late, they may not be keeping the diplomatic scorecard."

"Everybody who wants this kind of egg-timer diplomacy, who thinks, OK these things ought to happen quickly, you don't understand human nature," Snow said...."
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Oh, great, now Mr. TS is an expert on human nature too! I also laughed at his declaration of the "administration's methodical approach" -- ineptness is now methodical?

The Lebanese government and people, via Hezbollah which they support and enable to exist, have lobbed 850 rockets into northern Israel in the past 10 days. The countries surrounding Israel publicly state their intention to obliterate the Israelis, and have not deviated from this position in the past 60 years. And you say that Israel "does not bear the sacrifice"?

Who enforces a "cease-fire" from Hezbollah? If Lebanon can enforce this, then they are responsible for the relentless terrorism that has brought us to this place. If they don't have authority over Hezbollah, then a cease-fire is meaningless.

We have been down the cease-fire road many times before. The attacks against Israel start up again and the world does not notice -- until Israel responds. Then and only then comes the call for another cease-fire, and the cycle starts over.

Israel needs a solution. Lebanon should have cleaned its house but has failed to do so. Syria and Lebanon must immediately recognize Israel's right to exist, must denounce the use of terrorism as a means of pressuring Israel, and set forth a specific plan and timetable for eradicating Hezbollah and Hamas. That is a solution we have not heard before. It's a reason for Israel to try one more time for a peaceful solution. Nothing less is worth a moment's consideration.

Jeanne,
I realize and feel so sorry for how you are being abused by David Corn, the Nation Magazine, CNN and various other Left Wing loon publications.

You must stop blindly believing their lies, and try to separate their lies from reality.

Now, If there is anyone in your family who can read, go have them tell you what this says, and try your best to follow it.

Your welcome

This is too funny:

Despite Headlines, Democrats Remain in Free-Fall

ChronWatch ^ | July 20, 2006 | JB Williams

Despite concerted media efforts to paint the upcoming mid-term elections as a tsunami-sized shift of political power in Washington, the tea leaves just don’t read like most of the lamestream headlines.

Though Democrat leaders have been successful in keeping the anti-Bush “culture of corruption” campaign chant alive within their party, friendly press and the extreme left-wing base, it has largely fallen on deaf ears everywhere else. The shrill rhetoric has had little impact upon average American voters who place more weight in the anti-American deeds of the left, than the harmonious chants of evil Republican capitalist pigs, continually regurgitated by the left.

Republicans sold out to the rich?

It's a nice rant, but it's not true. For the record, most Republicans were successful and “rich” in the private sector before ever seeking public office. Conversely, most Democrats were financial failures who are millionaires today, only as a direct result of their abuse of power once elected to public office.

Whoops, forgot to add the example of Dem losers that made millions on government payroll:

The millionaire Clintons are a prime example, having never earned an honest penny in their miserable lives. If you can name a member of Congress who is not a millionaire today, or who has not taken campaign money and returned favors to corporate interests as a result, I’d be interested in knowing who that member is. Best I can tell, no such member exists, especially in the Democratic Party. Better see who all accepted a little financial help from Jack Abramoff. It reads like the “Who’s Who” list that “outed” Valerie Plame’s name.

"W" gave the green light for bombing the actual lives in Hezbollah and innocent lebanese bystanders before he vetoed a bill to protect potential life.

Try this one: W is in a fertility clinic on the boarder of Lebanon and Israel. He is there with 100 lebanese parents and children, 5 Hezbollah warriors, and a petri dish with 1 human embryo. There is a nuclear weapon set to go off in :30 seconds and he has to decide which to save. He can save the blastocyte or he can save the lebanese. However, if he saves the lebanese, hezbollah will survive too. Guess what he chooses.

John Ciardi believed the origin of "egg on your face" came from the "theatrics" of an audience pelting an incompetent actor with eggs and forcing him off the stage.

Don't you wish we could pelt the neocons with eggs and force them off the world stage?

#53 First and foremost, he saves himself.

Hey King Robb...if you're out there!

Came across this Charleston Attny's Blog from a reference to Drinking Liberally

He can write a rant...sounds like he'd be a good conversationalist...

-T

Sorry,

THAT SHOULD BE Charleston Attny's Blog

If you live in Lebanon, whether you are old or young, rich or poor, and you are not actively trying to stop your Lebanese Hezbolla brothers & sisters, you are Hezbolla.

It appears there are NO INNOCENT CIVILIANS in Lebanon.

THIS IS A FACT. So what is all the insane Left Wing Bull Shit rhetoric about? NOTHING IMPORTANT !!!

Scientists report that the diversity of bees and the flowering plants they pollinate has declined in Britain and the Netherlands, a possible indicator of the problem worldwide. Other scientists worried about species extinction call for the formation of an international body to monitor such threats to biological diversity, similar to one that now tracks global warming.

Bees and other insects are essential to the reproduction of many agricultural crops and wild plants. At the University of Leeds in Britain, researcher William Kunin explains. "Pollinators are intrinsically tied to interactions with plant species, and so the pollination of crop plants and wild plants is of both ecological value and economic value. Estimates go up to about 150-billion dollars a year in economic value that is provided by wild pollinators," he said.

Voice of America

When they are gone how will we find others to replace them? Extinct means gone forever!

micki, good point. how many hezbollah killed? how many lebanase civilians? how many israeli civilians? the math doesn't add up.

If it's immoral for hezbollah to bomb israel, and its immoral for israel to bomb innocent lebanese, is it immoral for the US to stand mute when the rest of western civilization is calling for a cease-fire? YES. It is.

Condi was ready to go immediatly. Bush held her back. Becuase we have the power and influence to stop this NOW and becuase Bush has chosen to stand mute, the blood of the innocent civilians is on his (and our) hands... We The People...

We'll see if curious/factchecker whatever he calls himself wants to answer the question @53.

More from David's friend Steven Aftergood @ fas.org

See "Military Deception," Joint Publication 3-13.4, July 13, 2006 -- pdf file)

DOD DOCTRINE ON MILITARY DECEPTION

The role of deception in military operations is illuminated and
elaborated in a new Department of Defense doctrinal publication.

Bush consistent in Pro-Life view.

Save frozen embryos for adoption.

Give Israel the ultimatum to bomb Lebanon and blame Iran, thus using the arms we sold them for the foreign aid we gave them.

Now we can give them more aid and support and not worry about stability in the middle east at any time in the near future.

This wins the argument that Iran is evil and by bombing Lebanon we are preempting against Iran and it's use of the nuke. (same one that they don't have, but we all know that Saddam was building a nuke, so it only makes sense.

Saving the millions of Israelis from being nuked is pro-life at it's best. Promise and prophesy fulfilled.

#54
My dream is tomatoes.

29 I am a Canadian, and I have to say I feel exactly the same as the American Liberal on this Lebanon / Israel conflict.

Israel deserves anything they get, after all, like Canadian's and Liberal Americans believe, they are just Jews. It's not like they are real people or anything.

Posted by: Canada at July 21, 2006 12:14 PM

It's funny to read troll posts calling liberals jew-haters and then read a troll post like this one. The trolls are getting pretty far out there... as if in desperation.

It is Importantly Amazing for me to have Learned that latest "Mouse of Many Monikers" has time to blog here, what with all the crimefighting he's out doing, since, by its own logic...

If he's living in the US and is not out there actively stopping the rapists, the drug dealers, the white-collar criminals, the illegal aliens, the jay-walkers, the murderers then...

HE IS ONE!!!

It appears there are NO INNOCENT CIVILIANS in Canada!

when Palestinians blow up buses and kill civilians, it's called "terrorism." when israel blows up airports, power plants, bridges and kills civilians, it's called "self-defense."

just wonder if anybody else sees some dissonance here.

susan, hesbollah kidnapped two soldiers. come on.

It is very easy to criticize the government of Lebanon for not doing more about Hezbollah. I object to terrorism committed by Hezbollah because I am a strong opponent of all violence on all sides. But I also object to the unreasonable accusations that the government of Lebanon has not done enough, when we realize that Israel occupied southern Lebanon for 18 years and was not able to neutralize Hezbollah.

Ron Paul (R) Texas
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Pay particular attention to the term "OCCUPIED." Hezbollah was formed to repel this ILLEGAL occupation of Lebanon, it was defense. Or, is it only defense when it is applied to Israel?

65 scooby
rapists, the drug dealers, the white-collar criminals, the illegal aliens, the jay-walkers, the murderers then...

I wasn't aware those you mentioned above were lobbing missiles at real innocent civilians

Your comparison is ludicrous. WISE UP !!!!

susan,

Big difference.

Hezbollah is trying to kill civilians. It is Hezbollah's goal in eradicating an entire race of people.

Israel is not trying to kill civilians, but the cowards of Hezbollah hide themselves and their rockets among them. To get to the rockets and the terrorists, the Israelis must get to the civilians. The people of Lebanon should aid the Israelis in driving Hezbollah from Lebanon.

In cases of war, a party is either an ally or an enmey. There is no in between. There are no civilians. (See D.C.[War of 1812], Atlanta, Dresden, Hiroshima, etc.)

O'Reilly,
They are so desperate that they are telling me not to read David Corn's post.

#68
I have a lot of respect for Ron Paul. Capt has posted his comments more than once. He is a very intelligent and reasoned person.

Susan 66
when Palestinians blow up buses and kill civilians, it'S called "terrorism". when Israel blows up airports, power plants,
bridges and kills civilians, it's called "self-defense".

That is because when you are simply defending yourself from unprovoked terrorist attacks, orchestrated by the people and government of Lebanon via their terrorists partners in crime, Hezbolla & Hamas, IT IS NOT CALLED TERRORISM, IT'S CALLED SELF DEFENSE.
Pretty simple when you actually use your brain, isn't it?

Wage WAR - raise oil prices, make lotsa money!

Wage PEACE - save lives, be prosperous, rebuild nations!

Paint the streets RED or tie a yellow ribbon - we all have to choose!

#70
Robert Fisk reported for Democracy Now.

I got there in about eight minutes. And there were three very friendly Lebanese soldiers. By chance, I knew one of them, the sergeant, who said, "Mr. Robert, you must be very careful. The Israelis will come back and bomb again, but we'll take you into the fire and show you as much as we can." And they stood around me and protected me as we went up the road for about a mile walking -- or running, to be very honest with you, because Mr. Fisk here is not a very brave warrior. And I saw parts of what appears to be a wing. I think it was burning fuel all over the road. I think it came out of whatever the aircraft was. I think what actually happened is a Hezbollah missile probably hit an F-16, and the Israelis didn't want to claim it. They said that it was part of a barrel containing propaganda pamphlets and leaflets, which -- well, I didn't see leaflets anyway, and I know they burn on fuel, but anyway, I saw what I could and got away afterwards and said, you know, waved at the soldiers and thanked them.

And the Israelis did come back some hours later and bombed the barracks of these soldiers, which were members of a logistics unit. Their job was to repair bridges and electrical lines. They weren't combat soldiers. And they killed ten Lebanese soldiers, including the three young men who had protected me the previous day. This was outrageous, because the Israelis know what each individual Lebanese army unit is doing. They know if it's a combat unit, armored personnel carriers, helicopters, whatever.

And they picked on this sole barracks to destroy those men, to exterminate them, because, of course, their job was to keep Beirut alive, to keep the power systems running, to repair the bridges which were being destroyed -- 46 bridges now, according to Minister of Finance, who told me this a few hours ago, have been destroyed in Lebanon. This is the inheritance, of course, of former prime minister, assassinated prime minister Rafik Hariri, who was murdered on the 14th of February last year. He rebuilt this country. He rebuilt the city of Beirut. Now, bit by bit the bridges, the lighthouse, the international airport are being destroyed.
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The Israelis know exactly what they are doing.

Jeanne
71
O'Reilly,
They are so desperate that they are telling me not to read David Corn's post.

I see you had someone read you the post. Good for you. When you learn to read, it won't take you so long to answer.

#76
Hi Antoine. Pandemonic will be happy to know you're back. How's the weight problem?

According to our National Anthem, war is what gives us our legitimacy.

"... and the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in air, gave proof through the night that our flag was still there...."

How misguided to think we would see ourselves as a moral nation.

I think it is essential for all of you to read the Wayne Madsen Report today.

Operation "Clean Break"

As many of us have been writing, this is all part of a bigger plan. It explains why the U.S. has sat quietly endorsing Israel.

This is what most of us expected.

68
red alert

The biggest problem with Ron Paul is,
He lied about being a Republican to get elected. Once his lie got him where he wanted to be, he, like a dishonest Liberal, there are no other kind, started spouting Liberal lies.

Ron Paul is a fraud, a cheat, a liar, he is corrupt, has taken many bribes from George Soros, and is a child molester. That is the real Ron Paul.

Red Alert

Pay particular attention to the term "OCCUPIED." Hezbollah was formed to repel this ILLEGAL occupation of Lebanon, it was defense. Or, is it only defense when it is applied to Israel?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mr Alert, the illegal occupation of Lebanon was Syria, Israel left the Southern part of Lebanon six years ago. Hezbollah isn't attacking Syria, now are they?

The struggle of Lebanon to preserve its national identity and political independence has, in particular, faced the hegemonic ambition of Syria. Since the 1970s, Damascus has succeeded to implement an incremental, yet systematic policy of occupation over Lebanon that has transformed the political, social, and economic character of the country. The Syrian occupation, calling it by its proper appellation, was consummated in 1989 with the Taif Accord and in 1990 with the removal of General (and Prime Minister) Michel Aoun from the Ba’abda presidential palace and with the full conquest of Beirut, Lebanon’s capital.

Syrian occupation employed a wide range of policy means to transform Lebanon into a “client state” and a Syrian political satellite. By means of military control and political penetration, media repression and alien colonization, Lebanon has lost its independence. Under foreign rule within the matrix of a foreign-manipulated police state, the Lebanese suffer from Arabization and Syrianization that deny the people, especially the Maronite Christians, their freedom and dignity. Many have been forced into exile across the countries and continents of the Lebanese diaspora.

Syria’s occupation regime in Lebanon suggests comparison with the Anschluss of 1936, the Munich capitulation of 1938, and the setting up of the Vichy regime of 1940. Stalinism as a terror state model is also evocative of Lebanon’s pitiful subjugation about which, however, the international community shows hardly any concern.

The collapse of a free Lebanon is part of the expanding sweep of Islamic power and the decay of Christian civilization in the Middle East. Perhaps, under circumstances of upheaval in Syria, Israeli military policy, and revivalism among the Lebanese, foreign occupation of Lebanon may come to an end.

Read WMR.

We're getting bogged down with the bloody, immoral details.

It's all part of securing the Middle East for Israel and the U.S. Netanyahu, Ledeen, Perle--it's their plan.

No one in the Israeli or American governments cares about these details everyone is discussing in the media and here.

The damage is done.

It's hopeless to worry now. It's gone too far. The U.S. Military has been overuled and anyone else with a sane mind.

This is what that historian I quoted a while back meant when he said the 21st century will be one of extreme polarity and extreme economic upheaval.

Read Wayne Madsen. My God!

Let us clarify what is pro-life!!!!! Pro-life is from conception to natural death. This means bombs and nuclear bombs are forms of unnatural deaths. I oppose unnatural deaths.

I just finished two Cornposter letters that I will share with you in my next posts.

#79
Carey,
Very interesting.

This is a post from the blog.

July 21, 2006 -- The son of David Gribben, Vice President Dick Cheney's boyhood friend and his chief of staff at the Pentagon and Vice President for Corporate Affairs at Halliburton, has reportedly joined Cheney's White House staff as an assistant. The elder Gribben is an active player in the corporate-religious tax dodge known as The Fellowship, an Arlington, Virginia-based contrivance that uses religious tax-exempt status to lobby the U.S. and foreign governments on behalf of the military-industrial complex. With the carrying out of the Clean Break by Israel and the United States, profits for companies like Halliburton are bound to skyrocket. The Israeli attack on Lebanon is already estimated to have resulted in $2 billion in damage to Lebanon's infrastructure. WMR previously reported that Jacobs/Sverdrup has been promised a lucrative Pentagon contract to build a large U.S. airbase in northern Lebanon.
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Neocons everwhere. I hope (and I know it will happen) organizations start to tie the evidence in a nice big bow. I want all of these people held accounable. I want these people paying the price for their actions.

los angeles times headline:
Lebanese Told To Leave The South
move over lebanese mere cattle, there's a new master in town.

Human Conditioning

Dear Cornposters:

We are being conditioned to drop nuclear bombs on any country and their people who disagree with Nazi America's policies and practices. You hear and see what is happening? Our government has her people viewing wars as videogames. Wars are not videogames.

We see no flagged coffins. Any one not American is not a human being. To kill the person is nothing of consequence to us. We are being conditioned to believe that the killing of any human life other than American is acceptable.

We are slowly being desensitized to human feelings. We are becoming more Godless as a country. We have taken Christ out of the word, Christian. We have embraced the eight pillars of bushianity that is Nazi America's accepted religion.

This change to desensitize American feelings did not occur overnight. It was a slow ongoing process over time. This process is nearly complete. Once we drop nuclear bombs on Iran and there is no outrage the process will be complete.

We are already being conditioned that Iran is the cause of all our problems. After Iran it will be North Korea and next will be China and of course Russia. Since we are already a Godless nation, we have nothing to lose? That, my Nazi American friends, is the problem. We may look upon non-Americans as subhuman or non-human entities but they are God's children and we are all brothers and sisters in God.

Our silence and lack of outrage will damn our souls for all eternity. We are presently a damned nation. Please do not let your souls be damned as well.

Sincerely,

Gerald

84 Jeanne
WMR previously reported that Jacobs/Sverdrup has been promised a lucrative Pentagon contract to build a large U.S.
airbase in northern Lebanon.

AND THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
a lucrative Pentagon contract IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO , and the vast majority of people agree. The only possible exception would be communists, and Liberal American traitors. Ha, Liberal American traitors ... are there any other kind of Liberals?

God's Plan

Dear Cornposters:

I tried to use Centering Prayer with two words, God's Plan. Normally, Centering Prayer works best with one word, like God, Mary, love, etc. You find a comfortable chair late at night with the light dim and you let thoughts come to you from various ways. I usually call upon my guardian angel to help me. For this Centering Prayer I called upon the Holy Spirit.

I have often reflected upon the idea of what is God's Plan for us. The Holy Spirit opened up my thought processes. I cannot be definitive as to this being God's Plan but I will share with you what came to mind.

Here is what came to mind. God's Plan has been a test for us since the creation of Adam and Eve. God wants for all of us to be with Him in the Kingdom of Heaven. We were created to finish God's work on earth. We are to make our planet a heaven on earth to prepare for God's second coming. Our world should be a beautiful place to welcome our Creator. The second coming of God need not be a vengeful coming. God wants to return as a loving God so He does not have to separate the goats from the lambs. God wants to return so that all can be saved, even the Hitlers and the Stalins of the world. To date we have failed God's test miserably.

We are all here to share God's gifts for the world. But, why are we so afraid to welcome all human beings to God's banquet table. Let us prepare for God's second coming in a world filled with love, mercy, justice, and peace.

Sincerely,

Gerald

ONE THING IS PERFECTLY CLEAR. HITLER BUSH DOES WANT TO NUKE IRAN!!!!!

Let's get something straight.

Y'all(trolls) believe that the people of Lebanon should accomplish what for 18 years Israel with its vastly superior military could not accomplish, the elimination of Hizbollah.

It's nice to see you finally recognize that to end terrorism you need to stop its funding, so why have you allowed the Saudis to support Al Qaida WHO ATTACKED US NOT ISRAEL for so long?

When Bush ordered the FBI to stop investigating Saudi funding of Osama where was your outrage?

Are you waiting for Al Qaida to attack Israel before you get angry?

Freaking hypocrites every one of y'all.

Gerald,

You mean you call upon Satan, don't you? Most all of you stuff is so mean spirited, nasty, dishonest, and hateful, it is easy to see you are a satanist. You are the biggest name caller on the blog. God will surly burn you in Hell with your master Satan.

On TomPaine today there is an article about plans to build 150 more coal-fired electric power plants.

Why does that matter?

Gerald,

Isn't this the truth, we are damned nation right now.

Jeanne, they're everywhere. God, I'm depressed.

On AlterNet today there is an article entitled "The return of Nazi oil".

Why does that matter?

Gerald
89
ONE THING IS PERFECTLY CLEAR. HITLER BUSH DOES WANT TO NUKE IRAN!!!!!

Duuuhhhh

We should NUKE Iran. It is the only sensible thing to do. I hope it happens soon as do all those who are not cowardly, traitors of America.

I have a lot of respect for Ron Paul. Capt has posted his comments more than once. He is a very intelligent and reasoned person.

Jeanne, though he's very independent, he's still a republican. So some of that 'reasoning' is off the mark... such as he's not pro-choice and he's against embryonic stem cell research. I like his thoughts on big Constitutional issues, but that's about it. (he was my congressman... and his office thinks he still is... until Delay's redistricting)

Gerald,

Thanks for the Centuring prayer. We all need it now, don't we?

If we drop those nukes....Oh shit. This and global warming as the topper?

93
Carey
they're everywhere. God, I'm depressed.

You should be depressed, now that you obviously realize that loons like you are a very, very, very small minority.

You should just end it all. It would be best for all concerned.

Talk of a Split

Dear Cornposters:

Our middle son shared some information with me and when he gives me the note, I may have more to say.

There is a great battle going on between the European and American elitists. The American elitists want to do what pleases them. European elitists wanted America to take out Saddam Hussein but they did not want us to tear down Iraq. Bush broke with European elitists and he tore down Iraq and took out Saddam Hussein. For breaking with the European elitists plans are being made to hurt the American consumers.

The European elitists were able to hold off Bush from dropping nuclear bombs on Iran. Bush does want to nuke Iran!!! Eventually, cowboy Bush will drop bombs on Iran!!!

Regarding Ken Lay the information says that Ken Lay was poisoned so that the family would not have to payback huge amount of money to the government and Enron investors.

I hope to share more information with you at some later time.

Sincerely,

Gerald

My Father and my God, forgive the trolls and the Nazis for they do not know what they are doing or saying.

American Soldiers

2,878 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his lies.

18,500+ American soldiers have been maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his evil lies.

55,000+ of the 140,000 American soldiers are suffering from PTSD. Stress disorder has increased and the percentage is now around 40%.

Over 350,000+ Iraqis have been killed in Iraq since Bush declared shock and awe bombings on March 19, 2003.

Contamination from depleted uranium may have affected 125,000+ American soldiers and several million Iraqis.

Are you feeling more safe and secure with Bush in the WH and Cheney as his chief hatchet man overseeing Nazi America and her citizens?

Our military men and women are used as cannon fodder for a terrorist Nazi American government.

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, AND NEITHER DO WE. George W. Bush, August 5, 2005

Rigged elections doom American democracy. American soldiers are being killed and maimed TO PROMOTE A NAZI AMERICAN STATE.

Henry Kissinger says that military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.

Nazi America is a mirror image of Hitler Bush.

Nazi Americans continually justify sin.

Nazi Americans are accomplices with Bush for his murders and war crimes.

LET US RECALL JESUS' WORDS!!!

LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU!

"The struggle of Lebanon to preserve its national identity and political independence has, in particular, faced the hegemonic ambition of Syria."

You Plagerize Hatespeach!

http://www.acpr.org.il/index.htm

FOOl!

From ACPR...

"A peace which will force Israel to its pre-1967 borders, i.e. losing those territorial assets critically needed for the very existence of the Jewish State will not be but a recipe for war."

An Ineresting Article

To Thy Ownself Be True

Pretty simple when you actually use your brain, isn't it?
Posted by: Self-Important at July 21, 2006

You are not the only smart person in the world. Your assumption that people who do not agree with you because you are smart and they are dumb is fallacious. There are substantive reasons why people disagree with you. Insults do nothing to further your argument. In fact, most people stop listening to disrespectful people who lob insults like hand-grenades.

I do not like to come to this site often, for obvious reasons. Your deceit, name calling, and out right lies, however, I do feel it necessary to visit this site occasionally to hear the talking points of AlQueada, Hezbolla, Liberal Americans, Hamas and other similar American hating terrorist groups. Don't let me interrupt. You have my permission to carry on with the Hate America, Hate Jews, and in general, Hate anyone who has risked all to save and protect you and your right to be the fools you so patently are.

America Held Hostage

107 Why come at all? Too much deceit? Go elsewhere.

I pray to my God to give even Hitler and Stalin a second chance for salvation.

Right-Wing Attacks American Evacuees: Ingrates, Whining, Spoiled-Rotten Little Children

The Bush administration's efforts to evacuate Americans in Lebanon have been disorganized and lagged behind the efforts of other countries. As of yesterday, only a few thousand had been able to evacuate, and they departed "two days after the first Europeans left on ships." Denmark, for example, "evacuated more than 4,000 of its citizens" by Thursday.

Conservatives have reacted to this incompetence by attacking the evacuees:

Rush Limbaugh, 7/19:

Even in the eyes of our ingrate, spoiled-rotten little children, brat-type ingrate citizens in Beirut, it's our fault. (Crying.) "It's a war zone. It's a war! How do I get out? (crying) We're having to shield ourselves from the sun in cardboard." (sobbing) That's embarrassing.

Fox anchor Neil Cavuto, 7/20:

The media is playing up a lot of whining, complaining Americans in this country who said there's been no warning, no communication.

TownHall.com columnist Mike Gallagher, 7/21:

Amazingly, we're not even going to charge these ungrateful evacuees for the free trip home. Their sense of outrage and entitlement is slowly but surely becoming the American way. And it's positively disgusting.

Fox anchor Steve Doocy, 7/19:

Shockingly, after they’∂e been plucked out of Beirut, a lot of them are whining and complaining that, you know what, I had to sleep on the concrete and they didn't have any food for me to eat.

Watch Fox & Friends (a Fox correspondent in Cyprus disputes Doocy's account, describing the evacuation conditions as "really chaotic"):

More HERE

*****end of clip*****

No different than the way they treated the Katrina survivors.

capt

Who is on the neo-con second shift tonight?

LAS VEGAS -- A battle is brewing over a new Las Vegas ordinance that bans providing food or meals to the indigent at city parks.

The Las Vegas City Council unanimously passed a law, which went into effect Thursday, making it a crime to feed the homeless at city parks. It carries a maximum penalty of $1,000 and six months in jail.

Not So Fast: There will be no 2008 election

#112 . (dot), you got that right!!!

SARAH POSNER, writes about the Christian Right, one of her articles: HOLY WAR

Posner said: While American evangelical Christians have long allied themselves with what they claim to be Israel's interests, the rising political power of the Christian Right, along with Republican dominance in Washington, has enabled them to extend their reach from their churches into the making of American foreign policy. Earlier this year, San Antonio televangelist John Hagee published an incendiary new book, Jerusalem Countdown in which he claims that Iran, which he says is just months away from producing a viable nuclear weapon, must be confronted militarily, because the Bible predicts that such a confrontation will set off a chain of events leading to Armageddon and the Second Coming. Hagee's new lobbying arm, Christians United for Israel, had long planned its visit to Washington this week to lobby Congress, and it drew more attention because it coincided with the current bloodshed in Lebanon and Israel.

As a drumbeat of politicians and pundits clamoring for war with Iran becomes louder, Hagee's role in mobilizing the shock troops in support of a military strike is becoming more clear. Prominent Republicans, including Republican National Committee Chair Ken Mehlman, attended the group's events. While many Republicans may not adhere to Hagee's ideas about Biblical prophecy, this dangerous marriage of convenience nonetheless produces public support for Bush's war agenda -- as well as evangelical votes come November.

"are you done with that sandwich?"

well there is a little bit left but i must throw the remainder in that trash-bin as it is against regulation to give it to you.

106 happy
Insults do nothing to further your argument. In fact, most people stop listening to disrespectful people who lob insults
like hand-grenades.

If this is true, then why is disrespectful lobbing of insults like hand-grenades, the ONLY THING LIBERALS EVER OFFER as debate.

Surly you don't think reading a LIE, repeating that LIE, then linking to the original source of the LIE, gives credibility to the LIE. Why do you think simply reading, repeating and linking to a LIE is a source of proof a far fetched Liberal LIE is nothing more than a far fetched Liberal LIE

It's useful to remember that George Bush came to power in no small part because of his promise to initiate a "responsibility era." No doubt, Dubya would like this to be his legacy. But it won't be. Americans know too much about him. We understand that his real legacy is the Pottery Barn disorder.

Gerald,
I just wanted to remind you again how much Bush has been doing to protect his nation. Remember when he went AWOL during service to country? And remember about cheney and his deferments? What was that I wrote.... Anyway, they send our people into an illegal war and ran away from service in their own youth. They stand by as hell brakes loose in Lebanon. And they don't do a thing as American's, at least a quarter of a million are still trying to get out of the war zone. Grotesque.

#111
Capt,
I guess there is more than one way to spell Katrina.

See #114! Please read #114 to know more about Bush's Pottery Barn Disorder!

If the price of oil goes down while all this crapola is going on, I am going to be really annoyed.

In fact, if it doesn't go up, I'm going to be really annoyed.

#120 Jeanne, we all need to be reminded. Some of my posts try to remind people of Bush and his legacy of murders and war crimes.

113
The Las Vegas City Council unanimously passed a law, which went into effect Thursday, making it a crime to feed the
homeless at city parks. It carries a maximum penalty of $1,000 and six months in jail.

BOUT fricken time.

Have you ever been to Vegas and practically get panhandle/mugged by lazy creatures who seem to
feel it is their right to be a parasite on the body of society. Fricken entitlement, welfare, food stamp mentality of some people is dragging America down to the cesspool Liberals want it to be.

Do Nazi Americans really know the difference of shit from shinola?

Seems like a lot of the arguments here on both sides are founded on the question of whether Israel has the right to exist.

When prodded, the anti-Israel gang tends to fall back on the idea that Israel is occupying these lands illegally, so the attacks against them are justified or at least understandable. The anti-Hezbollah crowd argues that Israel only occupies these lands as a result of failed invasions against it by countries that have never accepted its right to exist at all, and would invade again if given the chance. By this reasoning, Israel's disproportionate response to the near-term attacks is actually a proportionate response to decades of war being waged against it.

I come down on Israel's side on this because I believe that Israel has always just wanted peace and its enemies have always wanted to destroy Israel. They have given up land that they conquered as a result of invasions. Some of that land they kept, or have not yet had the courage to give up for strategic reasons. They have acted brutally against enemies who respond to nothing else; at the same time, they have made every effort to achieve peace, even at the cost of giving back land that their enemies then use to attack them more effectively.

Israel made peace with Egypt after the latter's invasion by giving back the Sinai peninsula. Israel gave up the strategic Golan Heights to Syria but gained no concession in return. Israel made several "half-a-loaf" offers to the PLO which might have brought peace with the Palestinians, but the offers were rebuffed and the Palestinians accelerated their suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks.

I don't think any of us in the U.S. or Canada can understand what it is like to live in a tiny country surrounded by enemies who justify any terrorist tactic and will gladly die if it means killing you. Can you really imagine living your entire life under seige from all sides? And seeing the world's opinion of you change from ultimate victim to ultimate oppressor, even as dozens of countries around you commit greater atrocities against their own people.

Europe exterminated its Jews and has seen an influx of Muslims who have pushed an increasingly anti-Israel agenda. Russia and China ally with Arab countries for political purposes, leaving Israel without defenders in the U.N. except for the U.S. And that support is dwindling. Do you believe that Israel's actions are worse that those of dozens of other countries? But the U.N. relentlessly pushes an anti-Israel agenda and winks at Libya, Saudi Arabia, Haiti and so many others that are far more brutal with far less cause.

All of this anti-Israeli sentiment is justified if and only if you believe that Israel has no right to exist. That's not a ridiculous argument; There were people living there who had to be displaced, and that has led to all these other problems. Without that underlying belief, none of the anti-Israel sentiment makes any sense whatsoever. 'Not self-defense'? My God, where have you been all these years?

So to the anti-Israeli posters here, I put this challenge: follow your argument where it leads. Say what you really mean: Israel has no right to defend any border, ever, because it has no right to exist.

micki, the spot price of crude oil is set by the speculators. It is the longer term trend which is important. Books such as "Out of oil" predict only one possible direction.

Go, go go ...

Finally, I have been patiently waiting for the transcript to this interview on Democracy Now. I shall link it for all interested parties.

Israeli Refusenik vs. Israeli Peace Party Member: A Debate on Israel's Assault on Lebanon

Yonatan Shapira, a former Captain in the Israeli Air Force Reserves. In 2003 Yonatan initiated the group of Israeli Air Force pilots who refused to fly attack missions on Palestinian territories. He is also one of the founders of the organization Combatants for Peace.

In the year of 2003, I initiated and found a group of Air Force pilots, including colonels and brigadier generals, all of them from all of the most respectable squadrons in the Israeli Air Force. Attack helicopter pilots, squadron commanders, F-16 pilots, F-15 pilots, all of them join me to this petition that I have here with me, and we published this letter, which called a "Pilots' Letter," in which we declared our refusal to take part in these attacks on civilians.

And since then, we were all dismissed from the Air Force, and many of us became peace activists, anti-occupation activists, and some of us formed with other soldiers, other refusers from the Israeli Army, the group named Combatants for Peace, which is a group of Israeli former militants and Palestinian former militants who came together to the conclusion that there is no military solution to the violence and the conflict in the Middle East.

And my message here today is that if you will let the Israeli government to solve this conflict, it means the destruction of my country and the destruction of the neighbors' countries.

JUAN GONZALEZ: What was it that brought you to that conclusion during your time of service? What were the particular incidents or situations that you can confronted that led you to conclude that?

YONATAN SHAPIRA: You know, it's a long process. And I give lectures here in the United States and in Europe and in Israel, sharing my process of transformation and realizing that in order to contribute to the security of my country and to the security of all the people who live in this region, I must refuse. I can talk to you about that for hours and hours. But if I have to put some particular events, it was the assassination policy that was led by Prime Minister Sharon and the same general who is now the commander of the Army, General Dan Halutz, who was the commander of the Air Force. And they started to use my friends and my fellow pilots in the F-16 pilot squadrons and Apache squadrons, in order to assassinate suspects in Gaza and in the Judean-Samarian Occupied Territories.

And that process brought us to the situation where we finally understood that we are just part of this circle of mutual violence, circle of revenge. And once you understand that you are part of this circle, you understand that there is no much difference between the terror that you are suffering from and the terror that you are involved in. And it's a very, very hard thing for one to understand and to go through. It involved personal crisis sometimes, and it involved with a lot of things that now connecting to each other, not just in the issues in the Middle East, but all over the world.

Eggman 127

Well said!!

#eggman,
If you think I am anti Israeli you are mistaken. That would be the same as calling me anti American because I oppose the war in Iraq. The solutions Israel is pushing upon its neighbors only adds fuel to the conflict. When you have military people within the country of Israel who are now refusing to serve in this madness because they KNOW it will lead to the eventual destruction of the country have served that they love, you know there needs to be another path to peace. What we have now is madness.

TDS on stem cell research... It's a War on Terror-ble Deseases.
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Jeanne #131

So what's that brilliant solution of yours to the madness? Anything?

LBH's solution is to copy radical Israel expansion rhetoric as if it were words of its own.

An interesting and unique take on what the Iraq War "Stirred" up...and the Israeli/Palestinian question. Dovetails nicely w/eggman's scholarly (pro-Israel) op-ed and rebuttal to David's `Pot' commentary of yesterday!

Shaken and Stirred
By Josh Manchester

The US invasion of Iraq has so shaken and stirred the Middle East....

....In fact, this leads to the second strange event of late: Saddam's own comments, as reported in Deutsche Presse-Agentur, about the war in Lebanon:

"Toppled Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has issued a warning to the Syrian leadership 'not to go too far in its alliance with Iran,' blaming Tehran for the current flare-up of violence in the Middle East, the head of Saddam's defence team claimed Tuesday ... 'I am convinced that the Iranian and US agendas have met in Iraq and elsewhere in the Arab world and Arabs are now placed between the US-Israeli hammer and the Iranian anvil,' Duleimi quoted Saddam as saying."......Remarkable.....

In fact, Saddam is quite astute when he notes that the Arabs are placed between the US-Israeli hammer and the Iranian anvil....

....Decisive action is what has traditionally been missing from the wars of the Middle East. Land changes hands, blows are exchanged, and peace eventually is negotiated. But the underlying dynamic never changes because the sides are rarely faced with a decisive defeat, the only condition that can force the most avowed of men to abandon the ideas they hold dear.

Israel now has the chance to destroy Hezbollah. Only time can tell what Israel will do with the opportunity it possesses. Opportunities forsaken are opportunities lost forever, as MacArthur was sometimes rumored to say. But let there be no mistake: this moment would not have been possible without the invasion of Iraq, and the destruction of Hezbollah is very much in the interest of the United States and that of any other nation that abhors terrorism.

Josh Manchester is a TCS Daily contributing writer.