Mr. David Corn,

Back ups! That is the same thing we said before there were any PC's.

"Let's be honest here. If you believe Israel is justified in its current military campaign against Hezbollah, you have to acknowledge that it's okay for Israel to inflict collateral damage (that is, kill civilians). And that means--if we are indeed being honest--that you are willing to say that the lives of those Lebanese civilians are not worth all that much."

That is more plain spoken and straight forward than anything I have read on the subject. Great stuff!

Thanks for all of your work.

Kirk

Glad to hear that you got it fixed. I was going to suggest you make backups. But why pay so much for recovery if you just did a backup?

Congrats. Would hate to see all that work lost. Even though we may disagree politically, I respect your ability to communicate your beliefs and appreciate your site.

When Hezbollah and Hamas are their own sovereign country, there will be no collateral damage. When you allow terrorists to exists in your midst, you risk harm when the terrorists do what they do best. And let us not forget what the terrorists want. They want Israel, not peace. You cannot negotiate with terrorists.

Yes backup, backup, backup. It takes no time.

Oh...and I like Amiri's work but I want to see more. I only see two paintings.

Ignoring history is so convenient. I find it ironic that the Zionist supporters will moan and complain about Hamas and Hezbollah "terrorism", but are utterly silent where Zionist terrorism is concerned. Hypocrites, one and all. May you suffer the fate of all murdering liars. Supporters of hate and racism.

"Yates' Ex-Husband Criticizes Prosecutors"--headline, Associated Press, July 27, 2006

Anybody curious what his five ex-children had to say?

True colors!

Ok, now for the nitty gritty.
David, as I read your post one thing crossed my mind. It isn't just the Lebanese who are children of a lesser god but anyone who stands in the way of the Israeli army. There are Americans still trying to get out from what I heard last. What happens if one of those Americans dies? Why didn't the US have a better plan to get those people out and why didn't they demand a cease fire while Americans were there? Is it because if an American is killed we have reason to move in to help the Israelis? Why does it take Bill Clinton to insist that a cease fire is necessary?
Was the UN peacekeepers' blood was less important than the Israeli tears? Not only were the Israelis warned of the UN position they were warned and warned and warned. To claim now that it was an accident is just ludicrous .

And let us not forget what the terrorists want. They want Israel, not peace.

and let us not forget what israel wants. territory that is not theirs. f**k israel.
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Israel's real aim in Lebanon is to establish the Litani River as its natural border. To realize this, it will first destroy Lebanon, then install a puppet regime and, finally, annex southern Lebanon.

Israel's New Middle East.
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Israeli jets knocked down communications masts in the Amsheet area north of Beirut after attacking three trucks carrying medical and food supplies to the east, killing two drivers, security sources said. Israel accuses Lebanon's eastern neighbour Syria of supplying Hezbollah with weapons.
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Much has been made in the US media of the Syrian- and Iranian-origin weaponry used by Hezbollah in the escalating violence in Israel and Lebanon. There has been no parallel discussion of the origin of Israel's weaponry, the vast bulk of which is from the United States.
The US is the primary source of Israel's far superior arsenal. For more than 30 years, Israel had been the largest recipient of US foreign assistance, and since 1985 Jerusalem has received about US$3 billion in military and economic aid each year from Washington. US aid accounts for more than 20% of Israel's total defense budget.
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die terrorist
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look at these deaths!
evil israel sucks! they are wiping out lebanese simply because they want the land and water. they claim that hezbolla is hiding behind children to justify their slaughter of children. this is bullshit. our grandfathers fought against the evil nazis and now our criminal so-called leaders are supporting the same kind of evil nazisraeli behavior that the original nazis engaged in.

Thanks for showing your true colors, blue(ball)sky.

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ICH
His children are dead. They had nothing to say. It was a tragedy. It will be a tragedy for all involved forever. What's your point?

cowardly fools don't really support israel. cowardly fools don't even know what's going on. it's just easier to pretend that poor beleagured israel are the good guys merely defending themselves so that cowardly fools don't have to speak out.
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cowardly racist bastards you all know who you are.

and yours racist fuck ich.

posted by bluesky

And let us not forget what the terrorists want. They want Israel, not peace.

Ain't it the truth? Amen to that bluesky, you said a very truthful mouthful!

nice job sam kiss my ass

Jeanne,

ICH is not Tom Freely. Has no association with ICH. Do not be deceived.

capt

I wouldn't call it fascism exactly, but a political system nominally controlled by an irresponsible, dumbed down electorate who are manipulated by dishonest, cynical, controlled mass media that dispense the propaganda of a corrupt political establishment can hardly be described as democracy either: Edward Zehr

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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

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Because we fear the responsibility for our actions, we have allowed ourselves to develop the mentality of slaves. Contrary to the stirring sentiments of the Declaration of Independence, we now pledge "our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor" not to one another for our mutual protection, but to the state, whose actions continue to exploit, despoil, and destroy us: Butler D. Shaffer

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"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.": Thomas Jefferson

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A time comes when silence is betrayal." Rev. Martin Luther King

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Thanks ICH Newsletter!

David Corn's last post is eloquent. It is terrible that most on-line sources from the mainstream press in the U.S. hardly mention what is happening there. There have been two stellar moments, however, for CNN's journalism: one happened during the Katrina disaster and the other can be appreciated now with their coverage of the carnage Israel is producing in that country. Even with CNN's decision to be unbiased, that is, to follow war scenarios on both sides of the border, the images from Lebanon speak for themselves.

I do not understand Europe's and the Arab League's passivity. Having gone through the damage caused by Fascism in the 30s and the 40s, how can the E.U.'s leaders kowtow so shamelessly to U.S. and Israeli interests? And the Arab leaders seem to be more worried about the Americans' power than they are about all the rising fundamentalism in their own countries.

All fundamentalisms are dangerous. They put faith-based law above human law, obedience above reason, and xenophobia above empathy. Worst of all they promote hate and call the result love. How can the rapture-people be happy about all that violent death in the Middle East? They only care about the salvation of their own, poor, selfish souls, and their doctrines are blinders that shield them from other people's suffering. It wouldn't matter but for the fact that the present administration considers them and the other fundamentalist Christians as its political base. It seems to be the same everywhere: The Israeli leaders defer to their fundamentalist Jews, and the Arabs are afraid to dialogue with their own recalcitrant groups.

I support an increase-fire.

Just so's I know where you stand. Brisco Darling

True colors Cyndi Lauper

Rusty Yates is alive and uses his voice to criticize the ones who rightly prosecuted the person who murdered his children. I bet his children are proud of their Daddy now. Maybe they weren't his? Explain that, Liberal. Maybe insane to drown one, but all five? Then call the police yourself and claim you didn't know you did anything wrong? If she didn't think she did anything wrong, why weren't the kids propped up at the dinner table with their bloated bodies waiting for daddy to arrive home for the non-family dinner?

There is an alternative to this unnecessary war

Eisenhower ended the Suez war in 1956, and America could do it now

Parallels with the past never really work. Historical events are too specific to give themselves easily to analogy. But the coincidence of the 50th anniversary of the Suez crisis (Nasser nationalised the canal on 26 July 1956) and the latest outbreak of war holds some terrible lessons not so much in what is the same as in how much has changed over the past half-century.

The most obvious difference is in the extent to which the US has moved from an arms-length relationship with Israel under President Eisenhower, who threatened to withdraw all aid to Tel Aviv, and even get it expelled from the UN if it didn't withdraw its invading troops from Egypt, to President Bush, who has openly supported Israeli assault on Lebanon and refused to back calls for a ceasefire.

There is, too, as Douglas Hurd pointed out yesterday, a world of difference between the way the international community under the UN cohered around a peaceful settlement in 1957 and the position today, when UN efforts, as we can see from the discussions in Rome, hardly count.

But the greatest, and most dispiriting, difference between then and now lies in the reaction to war itself. In his address to the nation immediately after the British-French-Israeli invasion of Egypt, Eisenhower - who, after all, had come to fame and position through war - utterly condemned the resort to violence. "In all the recent troubles in the Middle East," he said. "there have indeed been injustices suffered by all nations involved. But I do not believe that another instrument of injustice, war, is the remedy for these wrongs."

More HERE

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Of course Eisenhower was a leader of men and was respected. Bush, on the other hand is a multinational puppet and no thinking person can respect that.

All the "unitary" and executive power Bunnypants has stolen is wasted on BS like gay marriage and saving blastocysts. Life is as cheap as a bullet in the "CULTURE OF DEATH" being waged by the neocons.

capt

#17
Thanks Capt,
I figured that out yesterday when I read the idiotic comment concerning you posting the quotes. Like anybody owns Thomas Jefferson's words. I went to the ICH website and checked out the email. I'd be a little concerned if I was the person on this site using the ICH. I wonder if it's a trademark. It would be kinda fun to watch his hide get ripped if Tom Freely got mad about it.

Anybody notice how much the trolls sound like Howard Dean?

"You must speak out against Hezbollah and support Israel or you are an anti-Semite"

Neo-liberal neocons make me sick. Dean can put his anti-semite in his pipe and smoke it and inhale deeply.

Effin Troskites and communista neo-liberals that think you can force democracy on unwilling people at the point of a rifle. Might makes right in their small minded world.

capt

ICH are three letters in the alphabet. Sue me! Oh my god, there's five more! And on and on and on.

Neoconservatism in the United States

Some opponents of neoconservatives have sought to emphasize their interest in Israel and the relatively large proportion of Jewish neoconservatives, and have raised the question of "dual loyalty". A number of critics, such as Pat Buchanan, have accused them of putting Israeli interests above those of America. In turn these critics have been labeled as anti-Semites by many neoconservatives (which in turn has led to accusations of professional smearing, and then paranoia, and so on). However, it may be noted that many prominent neoconservatives are not Jewish, such as Michael Novak, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Frank Gaffney, and Max Boot. Furthermore, neoconservatives in the 1960s were much less interested in Israel before the June 1967 Six Day War. It was only after this conflict, which raised the specter of unopposed Soviet influence in the Middle East, that the neoconservatives became preoccupied by Israel's security interests. They promote the view that Israel is the US's strongest ally in the Middle East as the sole Western-style democracy in the region, aside from Turkey (George W. Bush has also supported Turkey in its efforts to join the European Union).

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Neocon are all pro-Israel not matter what. How servile and insulting to any thinking person.

"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." ~ Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

Earned my complete contempt, no doubt.

capt

ICH you are a liar of course, your first post was:

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Consider this a "cease and desist" order of our material on this site. Continual postings will be prosecuted.

Posted by: ICH at July 26, 2006 11:31 PM

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Right after my post of quotes thanking ICH.

You have a choice keep up your pathetic lie or not.

"What you are is a question only you can answer." ~ Lois McMaster Bujold, The Warrior's Apprentice, 1986

Honorable and truthful or a little snake and a liar, you say you respect David and his blog, man up or wusds out - the choice is all yours.

capt

How about this one? I'm in big trouble now!

Would you at least use your brain? I could copyright the alphabet and every printed word would be an infringement of my copyright. If that makes sense to you, you are truly a lost cause!

wuss not wudsd out.

You are the little snake I expected.

HAND!

capt

#27
Hey Happy. How was Florida?

Gaza death toll mounting

TONY JONES: While the media has been focused on the conflict between Israel and Lebanon, the death toll in the Gaza Strip continues to climb. More than five weeks of fighting has seen more than 140 Palestinians and three Israeli soldiers killed in the Gaza Strip.

Yesterday was the deadliest day in Gaza since Israel pulled out last year, with 24 Palestinians killed and more than 50 wounded. Most of the victims were killed by Israeli tank fire or missiles launched from flying drones. In the latest Israeli air and artillery attacks on Northern Gaza, 12 Palestinian gunmen were killed, the fighting also claiming the lives of three young girls.

Israel launched its offensive in the Gaza Strip after Hamas militants tunnelled under the border and killed two Israeli soldiers and captured a third.

More HERE

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All of the Gaza blood letting is sneaking under the radar. (kind of like a snake,eh?)

capt

Would you get real? Did you think I was really ICH with the cease and desist post? Man, you are out of it! My ICH is an abbreviation of a five letter word I do not care to use out of respect for David. You are so full of yourself.

Sorta like capt really stands for "can anyone pretend to" like me? Ha! Hand! LOL!

Army dismisses gay Arabic linguist

A decorated sergeant and Arabic language specialist was dismissed from the U.S. Army under the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, though he says he never told his superiors he was gay and his accuser was never identified.

....Copas now carries the discharge papers, which mention his awards and citations, so he can document his military service for prospective employers. But the papers also give the reason for his dismissal.

He plans to appeal to the Army Board for Correction of Military Records.

The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, established in 1993, prohibits the military from inquiring about the sex lives of service members, but requires discharges of those who openly acknowledge being gay.
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I will never understand why people are so afraid of gays.

#31
Capt,
The people of Palestine must be children of a lesser god too.

Mr. Bush, Meet Mr. Taft

Watching and reading George W. Bush's Veterans' Day speech last Friday confirmed my belief that it's a good thing Karl Rove wasn't indicted. If this is the best these people can do, Rove is doing Bush a lot more damage from his White House office than he would as an indictee.

The speech was humiliating to Bush and the United States of America on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin. OK, actually, I do. I'll begin with the outright lie.

My critics, Bush whimpered, "are fully aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments related to Iraq's weapons programs."

No such thing ever happened. That bipartisan investigation -- the so-called "Phase II" probe into administration manipulation of pre-war intelligence -- is ongoing right now. It's taken this long to start because, as Laura Rozen reported in our October print issue, Senate intelligence committee chairman Pat Roberts dragged his feet; and, as Murray Waas reported in The National Journal online, once Roberts did haltingly begin the probe, Dick Cheney and his staff refused to turn over crucial documentation. The delays and stonewalls, of course, are exactly what led the Democrats to call the closed session of the Senate. The probe is finally proceeding -- but it sure hasn't "found" anything.

There is no other way to interpret Bush's sentence: It is a direct, unmediated, Nixonian lie. What kind of pathetic man would utter such a lie on Veterans' Day, when over 2,000 U.S. soldiers have died?

But what may be even more embarrassing is the old dissent-is-disloyalty saw: "These baseless attacks," Bush said, "send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America's will." In other words, criticizing my case for the war is giving comfort to the enemy.

Comfort to the enemy. Interesting phrase. It's been used before -- by a Republican; in fact, by "Mr. Republican," Robert A. Taft, who was speaking against the Roosevelt administration.

More HERE

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An interesting take on Bush (and his supporters) giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

capt

#32
You're starting to sound really foolish. Why don't we change the subject.

Long distance call for Can anyone pretend to like me? It's Spock on the line. The Klingons are willing to consider liking you, but you must cease to be commander of the Starship Enterprise.

Here's a little trivia: Anyone know what Kofi Annan's last name is?

And you and capt do not sound foolish? I guess your HIT doesn't smell either!

Trivia answer "a mouse?"

Jeanne,

"I will never understand why people are so afraid of gays."

They are not scared of gays externally the homophobes are afraid of the gay inside of themselves. Heck I bet if the homophobes faced their greatest fears about themselves most would find out they are not gay.

Just like immature teenagers they build their fear up into their private monster, then it is too big for them to consider facing it, they think they can kill it with hate. A cowards false plans.

So sad all of the neocons and homophobes are such scared little bunnies (ergo Bunnypants) they really are fighting the war on terror but their personal terrors cannot be slain by war or lies so they are confused. They think more war and bigger lies and if that does not work try some more.

*sigh*

capt

LEAKED MEMO: Coal Industry Coordinating Propaganda Blitz Attacking Global Warming Science

A secret memo by the coal industry details a coordinated campaign to spread misinformation about global warming. The memo expresses fear that if the government addresses climate change -through a carbon tax or regulating greenhouse gasses -it will cut into their profits.

Their solution: "support the scientific community that is willing to stand up against the alarmists." (The memo also refers to people who believe in global warming science as those "whose true motivation is to stop growth, develop renewable resources [and] discontinue the use of fossil fuels, especially coal.")

But the coal utility ran up against a problem: there is no scientific community who agrees with them...
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Oh oh.

Please show me this country of Palestine to which you refer? Is there a map?

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I wonder if the neocons have twin beds in their bedrooms. It's safer. Rob and Laura Neocon.

#43
Have George Bush point it out to you.

He can't because you can't and you know it. Yet you refer to Palestine as a country. Did you go to Pubic School?

Israel Won't Expand Offensive in Lebanon

JERUSALEM (AP) -- Israel's government decided Thursday not to expand its battle with Hezbollah in southern Lebanon for now, but authorized the army to call up 30,000 reserve soldiers in case the fighting intensifies. Lebanese officials estimated a civilian death toll as high as 600.

More HERE

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Now Israel is anti-Semite!

See where that type of non-logic gets you?

capt

And I said Pubic School because the only learning going on there is sex between students and teachers and all else is misinformation such as the non-theory of evolution and the non-country of Palestine. Neither exists yet it is being taught as fact. Or at least, you seem to think so. Even though you cannot point it out on a map.

Howdy Ffolks!

Probably a waste of time due to the unprecedented amount of "troll droppings" to wade throught but I thought I'd tell you about tonight's Drinking Liberally meet-up.

Bunch of new faces, tonight. I'm thinking about 35 people showed up, outside on the patio at the Handlebar was hot, but an evening breeze and the shade of the Mimosoa trees was quite nice.

Rehashing the news items of the day and hearing a well-educated bunch of tree-huggin', sweaty, unwashed, hippy commie pinkos was quite theraputic.

Spent a lot of time talkin' over some of the things Spanky told me about how it is on the ground in Iraq, and what the ramifications might be for him going back when the Pentagon sez they're sending another 5,000 troops into B'dad.

Too many beers on the front porch last night, so my liberal drinking was somewhat conservative. Late dinner with Dr.Dave and Dennis, my spiritual advisor at the Bohemian Cafe and it was time to come home and feed/water the herd.

Looks like I missed quite a few informative postings, I'll have to go back and catch up tommorow. I just took a shower and don't wish for the proximity of some of the dreck I scrolled over earlier.

Where do they GET these guys?

-T

Armitage Fears Bombing Campaign Will "And Up Empowering Hezbollah"

Richard Armitage dramatically broke ranks with his neoconservative allies yesterday, saying in a radio interview that he feared it was impossible to eliminate Hezbollah through airstrikes, and that by attempting to do so, "you're going to end up empowering Hezbollah, and perhaps introducing an element into the body politic in Lebanon that will take some great period of time to recover from." Armitage also criticized the Bush administration for refusing to talk directly to Syria.

....NPR: You were an assistant secretary of defense back in 1982, when a peacekeeping force was sent into Lebanon, a multinational force stationed there but ultimately forced to withdraw. Talk to us about that, and what we might draw from that.

ARMITAGE: It was a very troubled time, actually, and sooner rather than later we became involved -or were seen as taking sides - in someone else's civil war. And ultimately we lost 241 Naval and Marine personnel.

NPR: In the bombing of the-
ARMITAGE: Yes, in the October 83 bombing.

NPR: Are there parallels between that peacekeeping force and now?

ARMITAGE: Well, I remember with stunning clarity one of our Israeli interlocutors sitting in my office, telling me that, "don't worry about this peace in Galilee operation. We understand our neighbors very well. We understand them better than anyone. We know all the dynamics of the situation in Lebanon." And that turned out not quite to be the case.

I suspect that people in government now are also hearing that from Israel. Don't get me wrong - if I thought that this air campaign would work, and would eliminate Nasrullah and the leadership of Hezbollah, I think it would all be fine. But I fear that you can't do this from the sky, and that you're going to end up empowering Hezbollah, and perhaps introducing an element into the body politic in Lebanon that will take some great period of time to recover from.

NPR: An element into the body politic that as yet we do not know?

ARMITAGE: I think we do not know. And we're not, as far as I'm concerned, using all the levers that we have, such as having the Secretary of State talk to the Syrians. I think they want to get involved. I think they want to become more central to a solution, and you might as well give them the opportunity. If they step up to it, fine. If they don't, we'll know them for what they are.

#46
Public and private, thank you. Am I supposed to be insulted by that question?

Israel Nixes Major U.N. Role in Lebanon

NEW YORK (AP) -- Israel's U.N. ambassador on Thursday ruled out major U.N. involvement in any potential international force in Lebanon, saying more professional and better-trained troops were needed for such a volatile situation.

Dan Gillerman also said Israel would not allow the United Nations to join in an investigation of an Israeli airstrike that demolished a post belonging to the current U.N. peacekeeping mission in Lebanon. Four U.N. observers were killed in the Tuesday strike.

"Israel has never agreed to a joint investigation, and I don't think that if anything happened in this country, or in Britain or in Italy or in France, the government of that country would agree to a joint investigation," Gillerman said.

More HERE

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No UN force? No investigation? Wowser - who would have seen that coming?

capt

Hajji,

"Rehashing the news items of the day and hearing a well-educated bunch of tree-huggin', sweaty, unwashed, hippy commie pinkos was quite theraputic."

That is always very theraputic. I might have been tempted to add a thing or two (still cannot drink so) but always very theraputic just the same.

capt

Sounds like a great time but I believe me and Lubby would be an otherwise dull conservative drain on your drinking liberal group. Why, we're so conservative, we could afford the biggest yacht that would fit into Boston Harbour, yet we chose to take a three hour tour on the U.S.S. Minnow. I tried and tried to throw Lubby overboard when the storm hit, but she survived. Gilligan, the Skipper and Professor had all the fun with Ginger and Maryanne. Damn them Liberals. All my money meant nothing.

I think you would at least be able to point out the country of Palestine on a map. Pubic or Privave. Yet you cant, so why should your President? Because nobody can, because it doesn't exist!

#54
Mr. Howell,
I'm working on a theory here. Can you answer a question? It would help me in my understanding of the radical neocon movement. Did you and your lovely wife sleep in seperate hammocks?

#55
Really??? That must be why Farouk Abdel-Muhti, the great Palestinian peace activist, was allowed to stay in this country. Huh...thanks for making that clear.

You never saw our sleeping arrangements on the show. We actually had a yacht anchored off the other side of the island where we stayed at night. We didn't have many friends but at least the other "common folk" on the island tolerated us. Gilligan slept on a hammock over top of the Skipper. I think Ginger and Maryann shared a hammock. Or I at least would like to think so, since the Professor slept alone. Mine and Lubby's sleeping arrangements are strictly confidential. But I will let you in on one secret. She has "jimmy legs."

And this country being Palestine? I still can't find it. Even on Google maps!

Mid East Maps-Palestine

Prior to 1917, the territory that is called Palestine or Israel was ruled by the Ottoman Turkish Empire, and included several sanjaks or districts. The name Palestine, that was used by Roman and Arab rulers, was revived by the British, who received a mandate from the League of Nations to administer Palestine as a national home for the Jewish people.

Israel was created in 1948, after UN Resolution 181 partitioned the territory of the British Mandate for Palestine into two states for Jews and Palestinian Arabs. At the time, there were approximately 1.2 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews in all of Palestine. The Arabs objected to the creation of the Jewish state and fought a war against it. The Arab side lost the war, and the Palestinian state never really came into being. The territory allotted to the Palestinian state by the UN partition resolution was taken over by Israel and Jordan. About 780, 000 Palestinians became refugees, many of them living in the Gaza strip as well as in the West Bank.

In 1967, Israel fought its Arab neighbors in the 6 day war after Egyptian President Gamal Nasser closed the straights of Tiran to Israeli ships and threatened a war to destroy Israel. Israel conquered all of the Sinai peninsula and Gaza strip that had been held by Egypt. After Jordan began firing on Israeli towns and took over the post of the UN Commissioner in Jerusalem, Israel attacked the Jordanian held West Bank. The Palestinians in those areas came under Israeli rule. Israel began to build Jewish settlements in these territories. In 1987, Palestinians began a rebellion against the Israeli occupation, the Intifada, but this had apparently failed by 1991.

More HERE

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There you go!

capt

Where is the country of Palestine today? 7-27-2006? It doesn't exist except in your demented mind. Ottoman? Isn't that something you stick your stinky feet upon after a busy day at work? Sorry to insult you. You may not know what work feels like. Carry on in your Dr. Demeto bizarro world.

Deciphering Frum: He backs Murtha

I’≠ really sick and tired of these disingenuous pundits that are incredibly adept at creating slogans like "cut and run," and "axis of evil," which have helped tear apart the fabric of our country, but aren’¥ honest enough to say Murtha was right.

Greenwald has more.

More HERE

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The old leather neck is a pro-war hawk. There has not been a single military action that he could not support. That was until Bunnypants screwed the pooch with his illegal and unwise invasion and occupation of a country we had sewn up with no-fly zones north and south and sanctions.

Crusader Bunnypants was so awesome when he took out the toothless paper tiger. Now look at him, Alfred E. Newbush.

What a miserable failure, of course Murtha was right on this one.

capt

There was a Palestine, until The ILLEGAL state of Israel wiped them off the map.

Mid East Maps
Detailed Map of Palestine Showing Armistice Lines of Israel and Jordan - 1949
Signed by Moshe Dayan and Ahmed Sudki El-Jundi

The map below was prepared in 1944 by the British Palestine Survey. It was updated in 1946, and was apparently used by the armistice negotiators in 1949 to provide the basis of the Israeli-Jordanian border as it was until 1967. This copy of the map has heavy dark lines drawn along what became the Jordanian - Israeli border, with red lines (in the Jerusalem area) used to show the borders of demilitarized zones. The map is signed by Moshe Dayan for Israel and Ahmed Sudki El Jundi for the Kingdom of Transjordan. The original map was in two parts, and the place where the two have apparently been joined together by Cellotape is visible. The original maps do not appear to show some of the borders such as the border between Palestine and Syria and that between Palestine and Lebanon.
This overview is scaled to 1 to 1,000,000. The large detailed maps (North Central and South) clearly show the names of many towns and villages that figured in the Israel war of Independence (1948 war) including Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, site of a massacre by Jewish Irgun/Lehi forces (April 9, 1948), Gush Etzion, site of a massacre of surrendered Jewish defenders by Palestinians on May 14, 1948, Iraq El-Suweidan that figured in battles with the Egyptian army etc. Many of the Palestinian towns shown disappeared or became Jewish towns after 1948. Some of the Jewish towns and settlements were likewise abandoned either permanently, or until the West Bank and Gaza were captured by Israel in 1967.
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The lack of historical knowledge is both depressing and telling. Jerusalem is Palestinian territory.

I have a feeling you are being insincere or deliberately obtuse but :

From Encarta (today):

Map of Palestine (region) Asia

The last one was from Google today:

Mid East Maps-Palestine

Are you asking questions or playing games?

I think I can assume it is past your bed time?

We adults have things to talk about, I have offered to let you redeem yourself from your pathetic lies about something as dumb as the handle games, you ask for a map of palestine I have provided two - from today.

Now go to bed I am done doing your homework.

You are just a player and have nothing serious or honorable to contribute. And no your critique of the adults posting here is too juvenile to entertain any further.

capt

Where is Palestine?

For starters, since a certain poster here does not have any idea of its location, it is in the Middle East, west of Jordan.

Palestine is located between the longitude 34.15° and 35.40° east and between the latitude 29.30° and 33.15° north.

The Palestine borders, according to the border demarcation by the British Mandate, are as such: From the west the Mediterranean Sea along a coast of 224 square kilometers, from the east is Syria and Jordan (360 kilometer), Lebanon from the north (79 square kilometers). Palestine's border extends from Rafah in the south till Taba and the Gulf of al-Aqaba in the north (10, 5 Kilometers).
 
The northern and the northeastern borders were demarked by a French-English agreement on 23rd December 1920. This agreement was modified two years later by the two countries to include areas of water resources.

one of the n'sync guys is gay - what a shock.

Yeah, show me a map of Israel BEFORE 1948?

There is none.

Effin juvenile trolls are not worth the effort. They have never read a single history book. Their self imposed stupidity is from thinking they know something (usually everything). Just like children so sure and so wrong.

UGH!

capt

areas of water resources.

there's that word again.

WAIT a minute!

I know where they mix up comes from:

The neoconmen think the Palestinians are actually occupying Israel!

That is pretty funny, no?

capt

"Don't you know it's the water, that makes the Israelis fear"

(to the song about Coors beer?)

Okay, maybe Olympia beer? I cannot remember and have never been a beer drinker.

Okay, I just typed in "Palestine" in google maps, it took me right to it?

To give even more consideration I tried Google Globe - again took me right to it.

I am done with this troll - not just a liar a pathological liar.

"And this country being Palestine? I still can't find it. Even on Google maps!"

Is that right? That makes the troll stupid and a liar unless, just maybe he forgot to press enter? (naw)

capt

"Get the facts, or the facts will get you. And when you get them, get them right, or they will get you wrong." ~ Dr. Thomas Fuller (1654 - 1734), Gnomologia, 1732

But, ya know what, I sincerely wish that you, RedAlert, would stop with the Israel bashing. I personally am sick at heart of the one-sided, black and white rhetoric. Israelis are people, too. I think there is room in the world community for Israel and Palestine to exist -- to suggest that one deserves to exist and the other doesn't, just fuels the flames.

Go ahead and voice your opinion, but please desist from spewing bullshit that is just as hateful as what comes out of the war-mongers. You sound like you want to blow HUMAN BEINGS off the face of the earth because you disagree with them.

What good does that do?

Thank you Mr. Howell.
Well, I'm going to do something very challenging tomorrow. I'm going to get up before the sun!!!! to go and pick blueberries. Why???? you ask. I don't know. I just told my husband to drag me out of bed when it's time to leave.

We are also going to go see Rock on the House. No. No...not House on the rock. Nooooo. I'm going to see the house that a big old boulder fell on. And then I'm going to visit a toy store in Wabasha where the toys are hand made. And then...what else...I don't know. All I know is I can't come home until midnight because my 17 year old daughter is having her birthday party and I'm not allowed to be there.

مع السلامة (ma-a ssa'la:ma)
This is a semite language for goodbye. Guess which one.

Here's a clue.
The other one

Oh, and our current government is just as cavalier and dismissive of the value of certain lives over others, that by using your logic, RedAlert, we should then blow the United States off the face of the earth.

The War on Lebanon and the Battle for Oil

Is there a relationship between the bombing of Lebanon and the inauguration of the World's largest strategic pipeline, which will channel more a million barrels of oil a day to Western markets?

Virtually unnoticed, the inauguration of the Ceyhan-Tblisi-Baku (BTC) oil pipeline, which links the Caspian sea to the Eastern Mediterranean, took place on the 13th of July, at the very outset of the Israeli sponsored bombings of Lebanon.

One day before the Israeli air strikes, the main partners and shareholders of the BTC pipeline project, including several heads of State and oil company executives were in attendance at the port of Ceyhan. They were then rushed off for an inauguration reception in Istanbul, hosted by Turkey's President Ahmet Necdet Sezer in the plush surroundings of the ?ýraðan Palace.

More HERE

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Hard to jack up prices and keep them high if oil demand via pipeline is adding to the supply. The only question is: Would the energy oligarchs pull something as nefarious as a war to keep their profits? The answer is of course, they will do anything to make more money. That is what happens when you put business values and amorality in place of human morals and values. (so says the prophet profit)

capt

Let me refine that.
Arabic language

Spoken in: Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Palestinian Territories(West Bank and Gaza), Western Sahara (SADR), Yemen by a majority, and in many other countries, such as Israel and Iran, as a minority language; it is also the liturgical language of Islam.

Saudis Publicly Warn US & Israel

from one brutal regime to another -
awkward for bush? now he has to decide:
saudibush?.....israelibush?
i know! bushco can sell arms and give secret aid to both sides just like the bushco seniors did with the iran/iraq war. genius! $$ all around boys! how could it possibly fail?

Micki,
the mother of one of the Israeli soldiers captured agrees with you. She just wants peace. She want the same peace for mothers in Lebanon and I'm sure Palestine. Why don't we let the mothers settle this battle. It would end in about five minutes.

Sorry, no profit in peace. The current "peace dividend" would be a reduction in the price per barrel of 30-50%.

We can all do the math on this one.

capt

our current government is just as cavalier and dismissive of the value of certain lives over others, that by using your logic, RedAlert, we should then blow the United States off the face of the earth.

absolutely the u.s. should be wiped off the map!

in fact it will be just as soon as the super highway from mex thru tex to canada is built, or the massive detention centers that halliburton got another no-bid contract to build here in america are built. whichever comes first.

Funny thing being a republocrat, I think both Israel and Lebanon should wipe each other off the face of the earth. That way I dont have to hear about the crap in the news and we can get back to the important news that one of the Nsync guys is gay. What a shock.

Drew

Jeanne, I still dream that this century can be the century of "renewal." I can't stand the idea of leaving my children a world filled with wars and violence. Wouldn't it be a huge step forward if we could develop a capacity to emphathize and understand and feel the sufferings of others, so that the lunacy of war would be erased from the face of the earth? I so admire the mother of the captured Israeli soldier -- she gets it.

David, thank you for Amiri's website -- I really like his artwork. What a combo -- a computer whiz and an artist! I'll bet he has other talents, too!

I assumed they were all straight or I d=never really thought about them in a context that would relate. I think it is okay for Lance to declare a specific title but what is the difference to anybody except those who know him.

Why would I care one way or the other? I kind of like not knowing because that way I am sure I am not using preconceived notions (which are usually wrong anyway). I have made some real bone-headed assumptions about some people I knew well, so I try not to do that.

I say good for him either way! Making it public seems odd to me but GO BOI!

capt

You're all targets, Israel tells Lebanese in South

Everyone remaining in southern Lebanon will be regarded as a terrorist, Israel's justice minister said yesterday as the military prepared to employ "huge firepower" from the air in its campaign to crush Hizbollah.

Haim Ramon issued the warning as the Israeli government decided against expanding ground operations after the death of nine soldiers in fighting on Wednesday.

"What we should do in southern Lebanon is employ huge firepower before a ground force goes in," Mr Ramon said at a security cabinet meeting headed by Ehud Olmert, the prime minister. "Everyone in southern Lebanon is a terrorist and is connected to Hizbollah. Our great advantage vis-a-vis Hizbollah is our firepower, not in face-to-face combat."

Mr Olmert promised that the army would "continue toward the established goals".

More HERE

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Sure, they say the Rome meeting is a green-light. Sounds like they are using Frank Luntz for the frame verbiage to twist the message - kind of fixing the facts around their goal. If the message from Rome was a united globe AGAINST their actions the Israelis would demand a condemnation of Hezbollah and use that as justification for more military action.

I do not think there is any stopping the juggernaut now. The fuse was lit in Iraq. Who’¨l stop the (steel) rain?

capt

Now that Lebanon has stated, over 70% of the civilian population is backing Hezbollah, and Hamas, I guess it is really Lebanon who is attacking Israel. Israel should waste the entire bunch of them for hiring Hezbollah and Hamas to do their fighting so they could pretend like they weren't actually involved. Now that everyone knows Lebanon is paying Hezbollah and Hamas, hopefully the United States will send in troops with the Israeli forces, and wipe the whole lot of them out.

val 89

Maybe, now that every one knows it has been Lebanon attacking all along, all this talk of collateral damage will stop, since there is no such thing as collateral damage to willing participants, who are aiding Hizbolla.

Has Olmert joined Bush in a case of madness?

Howdy Ffolks!

howdy backatcha Hajji. Hey dude, have y'all caught our multiple murder suspect yet? They found his partner in Pande's area, but this Snyder dude has been staying with a gal he met on myspace in your area. He killed 4 youngsters in Clear Lake 3 years ago, and is now 'sposed to be hiding in the woods. If the dogs bark, be careful when you check it out!

dear val 89 and ashley 90, you remind me of the bushbots who post here, namely lbh. he says crazy things like 70% of the lebanese population support Hezbollah so israel and the USA should kill them - you know, you're taking about 4 million people. imagine if republicans or democrats could be killed becuase they supported their parties. crazy right? you see, in the modern world, in democracies, under the rule of law, people ecannot be prosecuted for what they think. in the rule of law, people can be prosecuted only for breaking it. it occured to me that you two are not even real. you are the figment of some joker's imagination, i wonder if you believe what you write. that would be hard to imagine.

rate the prez

should be over 350,000 votes now

Everyone in southern Lebanon is a terrorist and is connected to Hizbollah.
....Haim Ramon of the Israeli government

and it's as simple as that.

attention southern lebanon! we are about to bomb the holy fuck out of you and all of you that don't manage to flee for your lives when our ground force invades will be considered to be terrorists and killed. we will then set up new borders and it's merely a coincidence that these new borders will include the only source of fresh water for the entire region. we are doing this because YOU are the terrorists and for no other reason. our criminal peers in the american govt/mcmedia will dissemble and stall while we accomplish this and they will even provide us with WMD on the sly which we have already used on you repeatedly. any pathetic outrage that might be shown by any concerned outsiders who manage to even notice what is happening will be dealt with simply by calling them jew-haters.
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do you really think that it is not as simply black and white as that?

Israelis are people, too.

maybe if the israelis treated other people like people and not like slave-cattle they wouldn't engender so much hatred upon themselves. but the israelis WANT to be hated. it gives them the justification they need to wipe their neighbors off the map.
"oh these terrorists surely hate us because we are jews and for no other reason! that's why we slaughter them, salt their fields and wells and crush them beneath our bulldozers as we steal their land - because they hate us for being jews!"

59 And this country being Palestine? I still can't find it. Even on Google maps!
Posted by: ICH at July 27, 2006 11:40 PM

Every professor I had in college and grad school said check google, if it's not there it never existed. i checked google to see if it had a map of north america prior to the europeans arriving. it doesn't !!! OMG, all the stories about the Iriqois nation, the blackfeet, the mohawks, ALL LIES.

But...don't cry for me. Three days before the crash, I backed up everything.

He is not only smart (Ivy League Phi Beta Kappa) he is wise. Congratulations David. That's the best news so far. I can't imagine you facing the chore of slogging through all the footnotes again.

I keep watching the top right hand column of your blog for a sneak peak of the cover art work and title... and maybe we'll get a few early reviews?

4 When Hezbollah and Hamas are their own sovereign country, there will be no collateral damage. When you allow terrorists to exist in your midst, you risk harm when the terrorists do what they do best. And let us not forget what the terrorists want. They want Israel, not peace. You cannot negotiate with terrorists.
Posted by: ICH at July 27, 2006 09:21 PM

You poor thing. Do you truly believe that the people of Miami should be bombed and killed because the city of Miami allowed terrorists to live in the city limits? How about Boston, Manchester NH, Buffalo, Seattle or New York City? The terrorists lived in these places too. Surely you are not arguing that the citizens of the USA lose their right to life because their government has allowed terrorists to live in their midst? I know you are not making that argument because no one could be so incredibly

i think that probably val and ashley have husbands that are soldiers over in iraq fighting the big bushco war for profit built on lies.
if their fragile illusion of israelibushco moral superiority were to be shattered then they would have to face the reality that their husbands were duped into fighting and dying for a false-flag.

All fundamentalisms are dangerous. They put faith-based law above human law, obedience above reason, and xenophobia above empathy. Worst of all they promote hate and call the result love. How can the rapture-people be happy about all that violent death in the Middle East? They only care about the salvation of their own, poor, selfish souls, and their doctrines are blinders that shield them from other people's suffering. It wouldn't matter but for the fact that the present administration considers them and the other fundamentalist Christians as its political base. It seems to be the same everywhere: The Israeli leaders defer to their fundamentalist Jews, and the Arabs are afraid to dialogue with their own recalcitrant groups.

Posted by: Karen at July 27, 2006 10:21 PM

Well said.

24 ICH are three letters in the alphabet. Sue me! Oh my god, there's five more! And on and on and on.

Posted by: ICH at July 27, 2006 10:32 PM

Three letters that provide you with another alias. How many is that now? Active ones that you use on a single thread. "non-family dinner" that was a dead giveaway.

bless you these sacred holy instruments that they may destroy our enemies!

Home again, home again, jiggety jig. Ok. Hosed down the kids. Unloaded the gear. Returned the rental. Restocked the pantry. Cursed at the yellow spot in my back yard. Who left the freekin' slip-n-slide out? We're having visitors in the A.M. Caught up on the latest on the Cornblog. Whew.

I am itching to weigh in on the war between Hezbollah and the IDF. Too tired. Maybe tomorrow. Time for the latest (and last, till next Thursday) round of Late Night Funnies. Short and Sweet:

"You know Ann Coulter? She was on CNBC today and she said 'Bill Clinton is gay.' Please, just because she's the only woman on the planet he wouldn't have sex with doesn't make him gay."
--Jay Leno

"A Tomahawk cruise missile fell off a truck in the Bronx this week. A cruise missile, isn't that unbelievable? You know what that means? There are now more weapons of mass destruction in the Bronx than there are in Iraq."
--Jay Leno

"President Bush met with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and he spent the first hour trying to pronounce Nouri al-Maliki."
--David Letterman

"We talk a lot about Iraq, the Middle East, and Baghdad in particular, which hasn't had what they call utility services. They haven't had water, electric return to the state the way they were before the war, but the United States isn't really doing so great with that here either."
--Jon Stewart

"Humanitarian aid in the U.S. has begun arriving in Lebanon. The U.S. Government sent 10,000 medical kits, 20,000 blankets, $30 million cash and today the people of New Orleans said: 'They did what?'."
--Jay Leno

"We're still on the road to World War III. Things were looking a little grim last week -- all those countries pressuring us to call for an immediate cease-fire, but we stayed strong. Sure, we sent over Condi Rice to negotiate, but she's not there for cease-fire. No, she's there for 'sustainable cease-fire,' which considering the Middle East, is like sending her to bring back Jimmy Hoffa on a unicorn."
--Stephen Colbert

Jon Stewart: But as some see mayhem and chaos in the violence, Rice sees chaos and makes 'mayhem-ade'
Condi: What we're seeing here, in a sense, is the growing birth pangs of a new Middle East.
Jon Stewart: Birth pangs? Yes, I believe today's contraction took out a city block.

"Earlier today, former President Bill Clinton campaigned for Senator Joe Lieberman. Clinton got the crowd so worked up that they had trouble sleeping through the Lieberman speech."
--David Letterman

"The heat wave is breaking records all across America. It was so hot in Washington, people are sweating like President Bush trying to spell Hezbollah."
--Jay Leno

#43 Yes, there is a map! In the back of the Holy Bible there`s three or four maps. One of them titeled: "Palestine at Jesus Christ`s time."

#75 #76 Good show, Jeanne! The neocons have no clue whatsoever conserning the history and the meaning behind the word: Semite. They only yell: Anti-semite! Anti-semite! Every time sombody critizise Israel. They don`t know that this expression actually covers all the Midle East people!

LBH / July 27..shouting out inflammatory statements like "Jew Hater" or "Hezbollah terroist" only demonstrates your inability to pull out the facts. The "anti-semite" card has been used aud nauseum. It is has been used over and over again to shut down the debate and has provided an opportunity for the "greater Israel" folks to move their expansionist plans forward. The history of Zionsism is fascinating, the movement took a turn for towards the hard right and has not turned back. The kibutzniks, the socialist in that movement were not as radical as the hard right that have pushed for wavering expanding borders in Israel.

Israel exists, whether it had the "right to exist" based on the Bible ( a book written by Jewish guys) is seriously questionable, Israel exists. The methods used during 1947 at the Un to create the state of Israel were twisted. The Jews had suffered terribly during WWII and based on the guilt (which the U.s. should feel) the state of Israel was created. The Palestinians were offered a fraction of the territory that they had been living on. The creation of Israel was done clumsily and the area has been inflamed ever since. (maybe this is what some want).

Both peoples have their historic roots in this part of the world, Jews need to publicly apologize for the atrocities committed against the Palestinians in the process of creating Israel, and they need to get out of the occupied territories. Until then the cycle of violence will continue

This attitude does indeed against amongst some Jews (as well as other cultures and religions) and it needs to be examined closely.

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus stated, "The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable."

LBH / July 27..shouting out inflammatory statements like "Jew Hater" or "Hezbollah terroist" only demonstrates your inability to pull out the facts. The "anti-semite" card has been used aud nauseum. It is has been used over and over again to shut down the debate and has provided an opportunity for the "greater Israel" folks to move their expansionist plans forward. The history of Zionsism is fascinating, the movement took a turn for towards the hard right and has not turned back. The kibutzniks, the socialist in that movement were not as radical as the hard right that have pushed for wavering expanding borders in Israel.

Israel exists, whether it had the "right to exist" based on the Bible ( a book written by Jewish guys) is seriously questionable, Israel exists. The methods used during 1947 at the Un to create the state of Israel were twisted. The Jews had suffered terribly during WWII and based on the guilt (which the U.s. should feel) the state of Israel was created. The Palestinians were offered a fraction of the territory that they had been living on. The creation of Israel was done clumsily and the area has been inflamed ever since. (maybe this is what some want).

Both peoples have their historic roots in this part of the world, Jews need to publicly apologize for the atrocities committed against the Palestinians in the process of creating Israel, and they need to get out of the occupied territories. Until then the cycle of violence will continue

This attitude does indeed against amongst some Jews (as well as other cultures and religions) and it needs to be examined closely.

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus stated, "The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable."

OOps sorry! #168 Red Alert (previous post) I do have strong opinions about the middle east, and my opinions are based on facts and from talking to many people who have spent a great deal of time in Israel and in Palestinian refugee camps.

I just so wish and pray that this conflict could be resolved. So much of U.S. foreign aid, time and energy has been spent on this conflict.

#50 Jeanne That interview with Armitage was illuminating.

#67 Capt "Yeah, show me a map of Israel BEFORE 1948?" Clever

#74 Micki I have never seen Red Alert say such a thing

"to suggest that one deserves to exist and the other doesn't, just fuels the flames.
Go ahead and voice your opinion, but please desist from spewing bullshit that is just as hateful as what comes out of the war-mongers. You sound like you want to blow HUMAN BEINGS off the face of the earth because you disagree with them."

I have seen Red Alert post articles and information. I have never seen this person suggest anyone being wiped off the map.

#103 Pandemoniac..thanks for sharing the laughs.

I believe most people who share their views on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict on David Corns site want peace in the middle east, for both the Palestinians and Israel. Although the media in the U.s. has been so shut down, so lopsided for the last 50 years to truely discussing the issues in a fair and honest way.

The neocon resurgence

The delusional US mindset that made the Iraq war a disaster has resurfaced in Lebanon

Once again the Bush administration is floating on a wave of euphoria. Israel's offensive against Hizbullah in Lebanon has liberated the utopian strain of neoconservatism that had been traduced by Iraq's sectarian civil war. And the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, has propelled herself forward as chief cheerleader. "What we're seeing here," she said, "are the birth pangs of a new Middle East." At every press conference she repeats the phrase "a new Middle East" as though its incantation is magical.

Her jaunt to the region is intended to lend the appearance of diplomacy in order to forestall it. As explained to me by several senior state department officials, Rice is entranced by a new "domino theory": Israel's attacks will demolish Hizbullah; the Lebanese will blame Hizbullah and destroy its influence; and the backlash will extend to Hamas, which will collapse. From the administration's point of view, this is a proxy war with Iran (and Syria) that will inexplicably help turn around Iraq. "We will prevail," Rice says.

The administration has traditionally engaged in promiscuous threat conflation - al-Qaida with Saddam Hussein, North Korea and Iran in "the axis of evil", and now implicitly the Shia Hizbullah with the Sunni Iraqi insurgency. By asserting "we" before "will prevail", Rice is engaging in national interest conflation.

More HERE

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A very good piece.

capt

to micki at 74, you know, I really wish Israel felt that there was room for both themselves and Palestine, Lebanon and all the Arab people. Maybe you have not read the many musings of the Zionist leadership of Israel that I have left here. Read, Zionist, not Jewish, two different creatures. I know there are many good people in Israel, I have been reading about the groups who are loudly and forcefully protesting this latest Israeli invasion. I would not wish to blow up anyone, but I do hope that those responsible for this murdering rampage against innocents, and all those who support it, will be brought to justice, and that includes President Bush and all his Zionist Neocon buddies, but I won't be holding my breath. You are sick at heart, and so am I. I am sick of Israel getting away with murder for decades, I am sick of them demonizing innocent people and forcing families from their homes. I am sick of them destroying orchards, olive groves that are many years old, farms, bulldozing houses, building Apartied walls and roads solely for Israelis to use, forcing two different colored license plates to distinguish race from a distance, forbidding inter-religious marriage between Jews and non-Jews, and oh so many other things that they call democracy. I am sick of it. And so is most of the rest of the civilized world. If Americans weren't so brainwashed by Zionist-media propaganda, they would know what has been happening in the middle east all these long decades, and they would be sick of it too. But I suppose it's teaching an old dog a new trick. My advice to the many good hearted people of Israel, your leaders are going to cause death and destruction for you, you may want to find a temporary refuge until this blows over, if it ever does, but if history is anything to judge by, that may be a long time coming. Why suffer needlessly?

Red, you hit the nail on the head with:"your leaders are going to cause death and destruction for you,"

It is the leaders and govenmental officials marching out the plague of violence. It is our leaders allowing it to continue.

Both are in dire need of regime change. Bush and his cabal are useless maggots feeding on the blood of their citizens, conscripting youth to provide cannon fodder for the endless wars, the same is true with Olmert and his merry gang running the killing machine slaughtering children by the hundreds,perhaps thousands.

Willfull disregard of life by these so-called, leaders calls for their immediate removal from their respective positions and to be tried for high crimes against humanity.

Any support of these sub-human war mongers is at the citizens own peril including ours.

Red, you hit the nail on the head with:"your leaders are going to cause death and destruction for you,"

It is the leaders and govenmental officials marching out the plague of violence. It is our leaders allowing it to continue.

Both are in dire need of regime change. Bush and his cabal are useless maggots feeding on the blood of their citizens, conscripting youth to provide cannon fodder for the endless wars, the same is true with Olmert and his merry gang running the killing machine slaughtering children by the hundreds,perhaps thousands.

Willfull disregard of life by these so-called, leaders calls for their immediate removal from their respective positions and to be tried for high crimes against humanity.

Any support of these sub-human war mongers is at the citizens own peril including ours.

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Hello DEN, here is a statement I fully agree with, I think it applies to America also. A small minority group is being allowed to bring indescribable grief to the majority of the people, the majority will have to make them stop or it will only get worse.

Israeli Chief of Staff Dan Halutz said that Israel is "changing the rules of the game" in Lebanon, and warned that "nothing is safe in Lebanon, as simple as that". But, everyone knows that what goes around comes around. That is why people are fleeing Haifa southward or taking cover in fortified rooms. The lives of Israeli non-combatant civilians are of no concern to Halutz. Nor are the lives of Israeli soldiers captured in battle. All are victims of Israeli militarism.

The familiar dance of death, orchestrated by the Israeli militarists and ethnic cleansers, will continue, with ebbs and flows, with ceasefires and "peace processes" and open conflagrations, with unimaginable misery, death and destruction, UNTIL the people of Palestine, Arabs and Jews, rise up to "change the rules of the game", to overthrow the Zionist pyromaniacs and poisoners of wells, and to rebuild the country on a new basis, on a basis that respects democracy and human rights and good-neighbourly relations.

All anti-war efforts in Israel, and all solidarity efforts abroad, should be directed to this goal.

Homecoming delayed for thousands as military tries to stem Iraq violence
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Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Thursday extended the tours of some 3,500 members of the 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team. The unit, which has been serving in northern Iraq, was scheduled to be leaving now. Instead, most of its 3,900 troops will serve for up to four more months. It was unclear whether the unit would go to Baghdad.

“There is no question that resetting the force after the heavy usage that’s occurred costs money and will have to be funded in supplementals for a period of time,” said Rumsfeld, who predicted that funds may be needed for up to three years after the war ends.

Assembling more troops and armor in Baghdad is aimed at calming sectarian violence that has increased in the capital since mid-June, when al-Maliki launched a broad security crackdown.
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My God! Mission creep is gonna keep these men and women in Iraq past their time. Billions more to re-equip and outfit them in an urban environment. Morale is already awful and the prospect of heading into B'dad to start a "new defensive" after many of them, and their families, will mean death for at least a few of their numbers.

...and for what?

Hello Hajji, do you think this could be part of the reason? Along with the Israeli dream of a "New Middle East," one that does not include Arabs in the picture?

Exxon Mobil, Shell Earnings Jump as Oil, Gasoline Prices Soar
July 27 (Bloomberg) -- Exxon Mobil Corp. and Royal Dutch Shell Plc, the world's biggest and third-largest oil companies, posted combined second-quarter profits of almost $18 billion on record crude prices.

Net income at Exxon Mobil rose 36 percent from a year earlier to $10.4 billion, or $1.72 a share, the Irving, Texas- based company said today in a statement. Shell, based in The Hague, said its profit jumped 40 percent to $7.32 billion, or $1.13 a share. Both companies exceeded analyst expectations.

``The energy sector is again poised to be among the best- performing sectors in 2006, with a strong second half ahead,'' said Gene Pisasale, who helps manage $25 billion, including 4.9 million Exxon Mobil shares, at Mercantile Bankshares in Baltimore. ``Investors are underestimating the earnings power of this group.''

Exxon Mobil's revenue rose 12 percent to $99 billion, marking the first time in history that a U.S. company exceeded $1 billion a day. Sales swelled as crude-oil prices surged to an all-time high on demand gains and supply disruptions in Nigeria and the Gulf of Mexico.

``Earnings have just been spectacular,'' said Barry James, who manages $1.7 billion, including 54,500 Exxon Mobil shares, at James Investment Research in Xenia, Ohio. ``Cash flow is going gangbusters.''
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Here is a thought, how about dropping all these CEO's, along with their "gang-busting" cashflows into Lebanon just before an Israeli Phosphorous bomb explodes over their heads? Does that seem too harsh?

Too harsh? Not from where I sit, Red...not at all.
-T

Bought a copy of the New York Times yesterday.

It was worth more than a buck ($1.00)to see that damn smile wiped off Condi's face while standing next to Lebanon's PM.

Israel has a long history of abusing the United Nations
Deadly air strike highlights jewish state's traditional disregard for safety of peacekeepers

The crux of the problem is that the Jewish state resents the United Nations because it has failed to accept repeated humiliations - and worse - with sufficient obsequiousness. In the Israeli view, international organizations should follow the example of the United States, which has frequently betrayed both the safety and the reputation of its own military and diplomatic personnel by meekly accepting Israeli atrocities and provocations. The US government forced the US Navy to help cover up the nature of Israel's deliberate 1967 attack on the USS Liberty, which killed dozens of American servicemen, and to deny proper decorations to victims and survivors alike. There was no outcry from the US government when Israeli armored units bullied lightly armed US Marines who were part of an international stabilization force sent to Lebanon in 1982. Even when Israeli warplanes repeatedly endangered the safety of State Department envoy Philip Habib by buzzing his helicopter in the same year, even when Israeli commanders invited Palestinian shelling of his quarters by firing their own guns from next-door, there was no real cost to the Jewish state for having bit the hand that fed it.
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Informative history. Israel to the citizens of Planet Earth, "fuck off and die!" Are you beginning to understand why my sympathy for Israel is at a very low ebb?

Alan,

Yeah, they've got a picture of the dude taken down in Reedy Falls Park, just last week or so. Allie B. just LOVES it down there. Guy's probably out of the area, now, but we feel pretty secure up here in the compound, regardless. Kinda hard to sneak up on us, dontchaknow....

-T

Coverage doesn't cut it

State of play in the Middle East: Lebanon, extensively damaged plus a half-million refugees; Syria, tired of being dissed; Israel, disproportionate. Are you kidding? Did it work last time they occupied Lebanon? Condi Rice, undercut by neocons at home? Iraq, completely fallen apart. Iran, only winner? Everybody else, mad at Bush. Most under-covered story, collapse of Iraq.

And what do I think this is? A media story, of course.

From the first day of 24/7 coverage, you could tell this was big. By the time Chapter 9,271 of the conflicts in the Middle East had gotten its own logo, everyone knew it was HUGE. I mean, like, bigger than Natalee Holloway. Then anchormen began to arrive in the Middle East and people like Anderson Cooper and Tucker Carlson - - real experts and then Newt Gingrich -- and who would know better than Newt? -- declared it was World War III. Let's ratchet up the fear here -- probably good for Republican campaigning.

By then, of course, you couldn't find a television story about the back corridors of diplomacy and what was, or more importantly, what was not going on there. Between Anderson Cooper and Tucker Carlson, it was obviously World War III, and besides, there were a bunch of American refugees in Lebanon who couldn't get out, and so, elements of the Katrina story appeared, Thank God Anderson was there.

More HERE

Dead UN soldiers had atrocoities info

Wayne Madsen | July 28 2006

The result of U.S. intelligence support for Israel is directly linked to the targeting of particular locations, including the Israeli launch of 24 high-explosive missiles on a block of ten buildings in south Beirut. The entire block was leveled in the attack. The deliberate Israeli attack on a United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) outpost in southern Lebanon was the result of that post gaining information of Israeli atrocities committed against the civilian Lebanese population. The Israeli attack, called deliberate by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, killed blue helmet peacekeepers from China, Finland, Canada, and Austria. Israeli continued to attack the UN post even as rescuers attempted to locate survivors in the rubble of the building. The deliberate 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, an NSA spy ship monitoring communications during the Arab-Israeli Six Day War, was the result of the Liberty intercepting Israeli communications on the massacre by Israeli forces of surrendering Egyptian prisoners of war in Sinai. Israeli planes continued to attack the ship, even after it raised a large American flag. U.S. Navy and NSA survivors in the water were also strafed by Israeli aircraft.
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I thought the job of the US Liberal media was to report all the negative news about President Bush? How come I haven't heard anything about this on CNN?

25,000 stateside troops tapped for Iraq deployment

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Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved a request by the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq to extend the deployment of part of the Alaska-based 172nd Stryker Brigade, which has been in Iraq for about 10 months, a Defense Department news release says.

The Department recognizes the continued contributions of the 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team and their family members. The extension reflects the continued commitment of the United States to the security of the Iraqi people, the news release says.
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Use 'em all up, wear 'em out, wear out the equipment, hell, we'll just recruit more, buy more...didn't we tell you this Iraq war is gonna virtually Pay For Itself?

Condi keeps saying that she wants to remake the middle east. The average American would expect that to mean a peace loving area that will export oil to us cheaply. However, what if it means an area in continuous war buying weapons from U.S. companies, and exporting high priced oil so Exxon can make a ton of money. So she is either a giant failure if she is seeking peace or the most craven evil person to walk the globe since Hitler. In either case, why do I have to pay her salary.

The Lebanese Invasion and the Beaver Creek Plan

Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track, writes Israel Shahak in an introductory note of a translation of Yinon's paper (see previous link). The subsequent dissolution of Syria and Iraq into ethnically or religiously unique areas, as in Lebanon, is Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run. The dissolution of the military power of these states serves as the primary short-term target.

Of course, this precedent resulted in the creation of Hezbollah, probably at the moment the most potent resistance movement on the planet, thus requiring Israel to re-invade Lebanon.

However, it would be simplistic to assume Israel re-invaded Lebanon primarily to deal with Hezbollah, as we are told by a complaisant media. In fact, Israel's re-invasion is part and parcel of the Zionist-neocon plan to violently splinter the neighborhood along the lines envisioned by Eban, Yinon, and the Zionist establishment, firmly entrenched in the racist and expansionist ideology of Ze’•v Jabotinksy, essentially the founder of the Likud party.

...the current phase of the Zionist-neocon plan gelled during a Beaver Creek, Colorado, confab (more accurately described as a meeting of criminal minds) sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute and held on June 2006 17th and 18th of this year.

The purpose was to discuss the planned and impending Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) invasions of Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon. Cheney was thoroughly briefed and approved the coming assaults, before the Hamas capture of an IDF soldier on June 25 or Hezbollah's capturing of two others in an exchange first reported as occurring in Israel and now believed to have happened inside Lebanon after IDF forces illegally entered the country, writes Stephen Lendman. Two leading Zionists, former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Likud Knesset member Natan Sharansky, were in attendance.

Following the Colorado meeting, Netanyahu returned to Israel for a special ex-Prime Ministers meeting in which he conveyed the message of US support to carry out the Clean Break policy officially ending all past peace accords including Oslo. At the meeting in Israel in addition to Binyamin Netanyahu were current Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and former Prime Ministers Ehud Barak and Shimon Peres.
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I am so thankful for the internet, so many secrets revealed. I just can't count on our Liberal media anymore. David Corn seems to believe the current civil war brewing in Iraq is the result of bad planning, but it seems to me, it IS the plan.