Mr. David Corn,

Back ups! That is the same thing we said before there were any PC's.

"Let's be honest here. If you believe Israel is justified in its current military campaign against Hezbollah, you have to acknowledge that it's okay for Israel to inflict collateral damage (that is, kill civilians). And that means--if we are indeed being honest--that you are willing to say that the lives of those Lebanese civilians are not worth all that much."

That is more plain spoken and straight forward than anything I have read on the subject. Great stuff!

Thanks for all of your work.

Kirk

Glad to hear that you got it fixed. I was going to suggest you make backups. But why pay so much for recovery if you just did a backup?

Congrats. Would hate to see all that work lost. Even though we may disagree politically, I respect your ability to communicate your beliefs and appreciate your site.

When Hezbollah and Hamas are their own sovereign country, there will be no collateral damage. When you allow terrorists to exists in your midst, you risk harm when the terrorists do what they do best. And let us not forget what the terrorists want. They want Israel, not peace. You cannot negotiate with terrorists.

Yes backup, backup, backup. It takes no time.

Oh...and I like Amiri's work but I want to see more. I only see two paintings.

Ignoring history is so convenient. I find it ironic that the Zionist supporters will moan and complain about Hamas and Hezbollah "terrorism", but are utterly silent where Zionist terrorism is concerned. Hypocrites, one and all. May you suffer the fate of all murdering liars. Supporters of hate and racism.

"Yates' Ex-Husband Criticizes Prosecutors"--headline, Associated Press, July 27, 2006

Anybody curious what his five ex-children had to say?

True colors!

Ok, now for the nitty gritty.
David, as I read your post one thing crossed my mind. It isn't just the Lebanese who are children of a lesser god but anyone who stands in the way of the Israeli army. There are Americans still trying to get out from what I heard last. What happens if one of those Americans dies? Why didn't the US have a better plan to get those people out and why didn't they demand a cease fire while Americans were there? Is it because if an American is killed we have reason to move in to help the Israelis? Why does it take Bill Clinton to insist that a cease fire is necessary?
Was the UN peacekeepers' blood was less important than the Israeli tears? Not only were the Israelis warned of the UN position they were warned and warned and warned. To claim now that it was an accident is just ludicrous .

And let us not forget what the terrorists want. They want Israel, not peace.

and let us not forget what israel wants. territory that is not theirs. f**k israel.
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Israel's real aim in Lebanon is to establish the Litani River as its natural border. To realize this, it will first destroy Lebanon, then install a puppet regime and, finally, annex southern Lebanon.

Israel's New Middle East.
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Israeli jets knocked down communications masts in the Amsheet area north of Beirut after attacking three trucks carrying medical and food supplies to the east, killing two drivers, security sources said. Israel accuses Lebanon's eastern neighbour Syria of supplying Hezbollah with weapons.
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Much has been made in the US media of the Syrian- and Iranian-origin weaponry used by Hezbollah in the escalating violence in Israel and Lebanon. There has been no parallel discussion of the origin of Israel's weaponry, the vast bulk of which is from the United States.
The US is the primary source of Israel's far superior arsenal. For more than 30 years, Israel had been the largest recipient of US foreign assistance, and since 1985 Jerusalem has received about US$3 billion in military and economic aid each year from Washington. US aid accounts for more than 20% of Israel's total defense budget.
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die terrorist
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look at these deaths!
evil israel sucks! they are wiping out lebanese simply because they want the land and water. they claim that hezbolla is hiding behind children to justify their slaughter of children. this is bullshit. our grandfathers fought against the evil nazis and now our criminal so-called leaders are supporting the same kind of evil nazisraeli behavior that the original nazis engaged in.

Thanks for showing your true colors, blue(ball)sky.

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ICH
His children are dead. They had nothing to say. It was a tragedy. It will be a tragedy for all involved forever. What's your point?

cowardly fools don't really support israel. cowardly fools don't even know what's going on. it's just easier to pretend that poor beleagured israel are the good guys merely defending themselves so that cowardly fools don't have to speak out.
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cowardly racist bastards you all know who you are.

and yours racist fuck ich.

posted by bluesky

And let us not forget what the terrorists want. They want Israel, not peace.

Ain't it the truth? Amen to that bluesky, you said a very truthful mouthful!

nice job sam kiss my ass

Jeanne,

ICH is not Tom Freely. Has no association with ICH. Do not be deceived.

capt

I wouldn't call it fascism exactly, but a political system nominally controlled by an irresponsible, dumbed down electorate who are manipulated by dishonest, cynical, controlled mass media that dispense the propaganda of a corrupt political establishment can hardly be described as democracy either: Edward Zehr

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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

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Because we fear the responsibility for our actions, we have allowed ourselves to develop the mentality of slaves. Contrary to the stirring sentiments of the Declaration of Independence, we now pledge "our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor" not to one another for our mutual protection, but to the state, whose actions continue to exploit, despoil, and destroy us: Butler D. Shaffer

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"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.": Thomas Jefferson

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A time comes when silence is betrayal." Rev. Martin Luther King

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Thanks ICH Newsletter!

David Corn's last post is eloquent. It is terrible that most on-line sources from the mainstream press in the U.S. hardly mention what is happening there. There have been two stellar moments, however, for CNN's journalism: one happened during the Katrina disaster and the other can be appreciated now with their coverage of the carnage Israel is producing in that country. Even with CNN's decision to be unbiased, that is, to follow war scenarios on both sides of the border, the images from Lebanon speak for themselves.

I do not understand Europe's and the Arab League's passivity. Having gone through the damage caused by Fascism in the 30s and the 40s, how can the E.U.'s leaders kowtow so shamelessly to U.S. and Israeli interests? And the Arab leaders seem to be more worried about the Americans' power than they are about all the rising fundamentalism in their own countries.

All fundamentalisms are dangerous. They put faith-based law above human law, obedience above reason, and xenophobia above empathy. Worst of all they promote hate and call the result love. How can the rapture-people be happy about all that violent death in the Middle East? They only care about the salvation of their own, poor, selfish souls, and their doctrines are blinders that shield them from other people's suffering. It wouldn't matter but for the fact that the present administration considers them and the other fundamentalist Christians as its political base. It seems to be the same everywhere: The Israeli leaders defer to their fundamentalist Jews, and the Arabs are afraid to dialogue with their own recalcitrant groups.

I support an increase-fire.

Just so's I know where you stand. Brisco Darling

True colors Cyndi Lauper

Rusty Yates is alive and uses his voice to criticize the ones who rightly prosecuted the person who murdered his children. I bet his children are proud of their Daddy now. Maybe they weren't his? Explain that, Liberal. Maybe insane to drown one, but all five? Then call the police yourself and claim you didn't know you did anything wrong? If she didn't think she did anything wrong, why weren't the kids propped up at the dinner table with their bloated bodies waiting for daddy to arrive home for the non-family dinner?

There is an alternative to this unnecessary war

Eisenhower ended the Suez war in 1956, and America could do it now

Parallels with the past never really work. Historical events are too specific to give themselves easily to analogy. But the coincidence of the 50th anniversary of the Suez crisis (Nasser nationalised the canal on 26 July 1956) and the latest outbreak of war holds some terrible lessons not so much in what is the same as in how much has changed over the past half-century.

The most obvious difference is in the extent to which the US has moved from an arms-length relationship with Israel under President Eisenhower, who threatened to withdraw all aid to Tel Aviv, and even get it expelled from the UN if it didn't withdraw its invading troops from Egypt, to President Bush, who has openly supported Israeli assault on Lebanon and refused to back calls for a ceasefire.

There is, too, as Douglas Hurd pointed out yesterday, a world of difference between the way the international community under the UN cohered around a peaceful settlement in 1957 and the position today, when UN efforts, as we can see from the discussions in Rome, hardly count.

But the greatest, and most dispiriting, difference between then and now lies in the reaction to war itself. In his address to the nation immediately after the British-French-Israeli invasion of Egypt, Eisenhower - who, after all, had come to fame and position through war - utterly condemned the resort to violence. "In all the recent troubles in the Middle East," he said. "there have indeed been injustices suffered by all nations involved. But I do not believe that another instrument of injustice, war, is the remedy for these wrongs."

More HERE

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Of course Eisenhower was a leader of men and was respected. Bush, on the other hand is a multinational puppet and no thinking person can respect that.

All the "unitary" and executive power Bunnypants has stolen is wasted on BS like gay marriage and saving blastocysts. Life is as cheap as a bullet in the "CULTURE OF DEATH" being waged by the neocons.

capt

#17
Thanks Capt,
I figured that out yesterday when I read the idiotic comment concerning you posting the quotes. Like anybody owns Thomas Jefferson's words. I went to the ICH website and checked out the email. I'd be a little concerned if I was the person on this site using the ICH. I wonder if it's a trademark. It would be kinda fun to watch his hide get ripped if Tom Freely got mad about it.

Anybody notice how much the trolls sound like Howard Dean?

"You must speak out against Hezbollah and support Israel or you are an anti-Semite"

Neo-liberal neocons make me sick. Dean can put his anti-semite in his pipe and smoke it and inhale deeply.

Effin Troskites and communista neo-liberals that think you can force democracy on unwilling people at the point of a rifle. Might makes right in their small minded world.

capt

ICH are three letters in the alphabet. Sue me! Oh my god, there's five more! And on and on and on.

Neoconservatism in the United States

Some opponents of neoconservatives have sought to emphasize their interest in Israel and the relatively large proportion of Jewish neoconservatives, and have raised the question of "dual loyalty". A number of critics, such as Pat Buchanan, have accused them of putting Israeli interests above those of America. In turn these critics have been labeled as anti-Semites by many neoconservatives (which in turn has led to accusations of professional smearing, and then paranoia, and so on). However, it may be noted that many prominent neoconservatives are not Jewish, such as Michael Novak, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Frank Gaffney, and Max Boot. Furthermore, neoconservatives in the 1960s were much less interested in Israel before the June 1967 Six Day War. It was only after this conflict, which raised the specter of unopposed Soviet influence in the Middle East, that the neoconservatives became preoccupied by Israel's security interests. They promote the view that Israel is the US's strongest ally in the Middle East as the sole Western-style democracy in the region, aside from Turkey (George W. Bush has also supported Turkey in its efforts to join the European Union).

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Neocon are all pro-Israel not matter what. How servile and insulting to any thinking person.

"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." ~ Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

Earned my complete contempt, no doubt.

capt

ICH you are a liar of course, your first post was:

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Consider this a "cease and desist" order of our material on this site. Continual postings will be prosecuted.

Posted by: ICH at July 26, 2006 11:31 PM

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Right after my post of quotes thanking ICH.

You have a choice keep up your pathetic lie or not.

"What you are is a question only you can answer." ~ Lois McMaster Bujold, The Warrior's Apprentice, 1986

Honorable and truthful or a little snake and a liar, you say you respect David and his blog, man up or wusds out - the choice is all yours.

capt

How about this one? I'm in big trouble now!

Would you at least use your brain? I could copyright the alphabet and every printed word would be an infringement of my copyright. If that makes sense to you, you are truly a lost cause!

wuss not wudsd out.

You are the little snake I expected.

HAND!

capt

#27
Hey Happy. How was Florida?

Gaza death toll mounting

TONY JONES: While the media has been focused on the conflict between Israel and Lebanon, the death toll in the Gaza Strip continues to climb. More than five weeks of fighting has seen more than 140 Palestinians and three Israeli soldiers killed in the Gaza Strip.

Yesterday was the deadliest day in Gaza since Israel pulled out last year, with 24 Palestinians killed and more than 50 wounded. Most of the victims were killed by Israeli tank fire or missiles launched from flying drones. In the latest Israeli air and artillery attacks on Northern Gaza, 12 Palestinian gunmen were killed, the fighting also claiming the lives of three young girls.

Israel launched its offensive in the Gaza Strip after Hamas militants tunnelled under the border and killed two Israeli soldiers and captured a third.

More HERE

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All of the Gaza blood letting is sneaking under the radar. (kind of like a snake,eh?)

capt

Would you get real? Did you think I was really ICH with the cease and desist post? Man, you are out of it! My ICH is an abbreviation of a five letter word I do not care to use out of respect for David. You are so full of yourself.

Sorta like capt really stands for "can anyone pretend to" like me? Ha! Hand! LOL!

Army dismisses gay Arabic linguist

A decorated sergeant and Arabic language specialist was dismissed from the U.S. Army under the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, though he says he never told his superiors he was gay and his accuser was never identified.

....Copas now carries the discharge papers, which mention his awards and citations, so he can document his military service for prospective employers. But the papers also give the reason for his dismissal.

He plans to appeal to the Army Board for Correction of Military Records.

The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, established in 1993, prohibits the military from inquiring about the sex lives of service members, but requires discharges of those who openly acknowledge being gay.
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I will never understand why people are so afraid of gays.

#31
Capt,
The people of Palestine must be children of a lesser god too.

Mr. Bush, Meet Mr. Taft

Watching and reading George W. Bush's Veterans' Day speech last Friday confirmed my belief that it's a good thing Karl Rove wasn't indicted. If this is the best these people can do, Rove is doing Bush a lot more damage from his White House office than he would as an indictee.

The speech was humiliating to Bush and the United States of America on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin. OK, actually, I do. I'll begin with the outright lie.

My critics, Bush whimpered, "are fully aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments related to Iraq's weapons programs."

No such thing ever happened. That bipartisan investigation -- the so-called "Phase II" probe into administration manipulation of pre-war intelligence -- is ongoing right now. It's taken this long to start because, as Laura Rozen reported in our October print issue, Senate intelligence committee chairman Pat Roberts dragged his feet; and, as Murray Waas reported in The National Journal online, once Roberts did haltingly begin the probe, Dick Cheney and his staff refused to turn over crucial documentation. The delays and stonewalls, of course, are exactly what led the Democrats to call the closed session of the Senate. The probe is finally proceeding -- but it sure hasn't "found" anything.

There is no other way to interpret Bush's sentence: It is a direct, unmediated, Nixonian lie. What kind of pathetic man would utter such a lie on Veterans' Day, when over 2,000 U.S. soldiers have died?

But what may be even more embarrassing is the old dissent-is-disloyalty saw: "These baseless attacks," Bush said, "send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America's will." In other words, criticizing my case for the war is giving comfort to the enemy.

Comfort to the enemy. Interesting phrase. It's been used before -- by a Republican; in fact, by "Mr. Republican," Robert A. Taft, who was speaking against the Roosevelt administration.

More HERE

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An interesting take on Bush (and his supporters) giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

capt

#32
You're starting to sound really foolish. Why don't we change the subject.

Long distance call for Can anyone pretend to like me? It's Spock on the line. The Klingons are willing to consider liking you, but you must cease to be commander of the Starship Enterprise.

Here's a little trivia: Anyone know what Kofi Annan's last name is?

And you and capt do not sound foolish? I guess your HIT doesn't smell either!

Trivia answer "a mouse?"

Jeanne,

"I will never understand why people are so afraid of gays."

They are not scared of gays externally the homophobes are afraid of the gay inside of themselves. Heck I bet if the homophobes faced their greatest fears about themselves most would find out they are not gay.

Just like immature teenagers they build their fear up into their private monster, then it is too big for them to consider facing it, they think they can kill it with hate. A cowards false plans.

So sad all of the neocons and homophobes are such scared little bunnies (ergo Bunnypants) they really are fighting the war on terror but their personal terrors cannot be slain by war or lies so they are confused. They think more war and bigger lies and if that does not work try some more.

*sigh*

capt

LEAKED MEMO: Coal Industry Coordinating Propaganda Blitz Attacking Global Warming Science

A secret memo by the coal industry details a coordinated campaign to spread misinformation about global warming. The memo expresses fear that if the government addresses climate change -through a carbon tax or regulating greenhouse gasses -it will cut into their profits.

Their solution: "support the scientific community that is willing to stand up against the alarmists." (The memo also refers to people who believe in global warming science as those "whose true motivation is to stop growth, develop renewable resources [and] discontinue the use of fossil fuels, especially coal.")

But the coal utility ran up against a problem: there is no scientific community who agrees with them...
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Oh oh.

Please show me this country of Palestine to which you refer? Is there a map?

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I wonder if the neocons have twin beds in their bedrooms. It's safer. Rob and Laura Neocon.

#43
Have George Bush point it out to you.

He can't because you can't and you know it. Yet you refer to Palestine as a country. Did you go to Pubic School?

Israel Won't Expand Offensive in Lebanon

JERUSALEM (AP) -- Israel's government decided Thursday not to expand its battle with Hezbollah in southern Lebanon for now, but authorized the army to call up 30,000 reserve soldiers in case the fighting intensifies. Lebanese officials estimated a civilian death toll as high as 600.

More HERE

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Now Israel is anti-Semite!

See where that type of non-logic gets you?

capt

And I said Pubic School because the only learning going on there is sex between students and teachers and all else is misinformation such as the non-theory of evolution and the non-country of Palestine. Neither exists yet it is being taught as fact. Or at least, you seem to think so. Even though you cannot point it out on a map.

Howdy Ffolks!

Probably a waste of time due to the unprecedented amount of "troll droppings" to wade throught but I thought I'd tell you about tonight's Drinking Liberally meet-up.

Bunch of new faces, tonight. I'm thinking about 35 people showed up, outside on the patio at the Handlebar was hot, but an evening breeze and the shade of the Mimosoa trees was quite nice.

Rehashing the news items of the day and hearing a well-educated bunch of tree-huggin', sweaty, unwashed, hippy commie pinkos was quite theraputic.

Spent a lot of time talkin' over some of the things Spanky told me about how it is on the ground in Iraq, and what the ramifications might be for him going back when the Pentagon sez they're sending another 5,000 troops into B'dad.

Too many beers on the front porch last night, so my liberal drinking was somewhat conservative. Late dinner with Dr.Dave and Dennis, my spiritual advisor at the Bohemian Cafe and it was time to come home and feed/water the herd.

Looks like I missed quite a few informative postings, I'll have to go back and catch up tommorow. I just took a shower and don't wish for the proximity of some of the dreck I scrolled over earlier.

Where do they GET these guys?

-T

Armitage Fears Bombing Campaign Will "And Up Empowering Hezbollah"

Richard Armitage dramatically broke ranks with his neoconservative allies yesterday, saying in a radio interview that he feared it was impossible to eliminate Hezbollah through airstrikes, and that by attempting to do so, "you're going to end up empowering Hezbollah, and perhaps introducing an element into the body politic in Lebanon that will take some great period of time to recover from." Armitage also criticized the Bush administration for refusing to talk directly to Syria.

....NPR: You were an assistant secretary of defense back in 1982, when a peacekeeping force was sent into Lebanon, a multinational force stationed there but ultimately forced to withdraw. Talk to us about that, and what we might draw from that.

ARMITAGE: It was a very troubled time, actually, and sooner rather than later we became involved -or were seen as taking sides - in someone else's civil war. And ultimately we lost 241 Naval and Marine personnel.

NPR: In the bombing of the-
ARMITAGE: Yes, in the October 83 bombing.

NPR: Are there parallels between that peacekeeping force and now?

ARMITAGE: Well, I remember with stunning clarity one of our Israeli interlocutors sitting in my office, telling me that, "don't worry about this peace in Galilee operation. We understand our neighbors very well. We understand them better than anyone. We know all the dynamics of the situation in Lebanon." And that turned out not quite to be the case.

I suspect that people in government now are also hearing that from Israel. Don't get me wrong - if I thought that this air campaign would work, and would eliminate Nasrullah and the leadership of Hezbollah, I think it would all be fine. But I fear that you can't do this from the sky, and that you're going to end up empowering Hezbollah, and perhaps introducing an element into the body politic in Lebanon that will take some great period of time to recover from.

NPR: An element into the body politic that as yet we do not know?

ARMITAGE: I think we do not know. And we're not, as far as I'm concerned, using all the levers that we have, such as having the Secretary of State talk to the Syrians. I think they want to get involved. I think they want to become more central to a solution, and you might as well give them the opportunity. If they step up to it, fine. If they don't, we'll know them for what they are.

#46
Public and private, thank you. Am I supposed to be insulted by that question?

Israel Nixes Major U.N. Role in Lebanon

NEW YORK (AP) -- Israel's U.N. ambassador on Thursday ruled out major U.N. involvement in any potential international force in Lebanon, saying more professional and better-trained troops were needed for such a volatile situation.

Dan Gillerman also said Israel would not allow the United Nations to join in an investigation of an Israeli airstrike that demolished a post belonging to the current U.N. peacekeeping mission in Lebanon. Four U.N. observers were killed in the Tuesday strike.

"Israel has never agreed to a joint investigation, and I don't think that if anything happened in this country, or in Britain or in Italy or in France, the government of that country would agree to a joint investigation," Gillerman said.

More HERE

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No UN force? No investigation? Wowser - who would have seen that coming?

capt

Hajji,

"Rehashing the news items of the day and hearing a well-educated bunch of tree-huggin', sweaty, unwashed, hippy commie pinkos was quite theraputic."

That is always very theraputic. I might have been tempted to add a thing or two (still cannot drink so) but always very theraputic just the same.

capt

Sounds like a great time but I believe me and Lubby would be an otherwise dull conservative drain on your drinking liberal group. Why, we're so conservative, we could afford the biggest yacht that would fit into Boston Harbour, yet we chose to take a three hour tour on the U.S.S. Minnow. I tried and tried to throw Lubby overboard when the storm hit, but she survived. Gilligan, the Skipper and Professor had all the fun with Ginger and Maryanne. Damn them Liberals. All my money meant nothing.

I think you would at least be able to point out the country of Palestine on a map. Pubic or Privave. Yet you cant, so why should your President? Because nobody can, because it doesn't exist!

#54
Mr. Howell,
I'm working on a theory here. Can you answer a question? It would help me in my understanding of the radical neocon movement. Did you and your lovely wife sleep in seperate hammocks?

#55
Really??? That must be why Farouk Abdel-Muhti, the great Palestinian peace activist, was allowed to stay in this country. Huh...thanks for making that clear.

You never saw our sleeping arrangements on the show. We actually had a yacht anchored off the other side of the island where we stayed at night. We didn't have many friends but at least the other "common folk" on the island tolerated us. Gilligan slept on a hammock over top of the Skipper. I think Ginger and Maryann shared a hammock. Or I at least would like to think so, since the Professor slept alone. Mine and Lubby's sleeping arrangements are strictly confidential. But I will let you in on one secret. She has "jimmy legs."

And this country being Palestine? I still can't find it. Even on Google maps!

Mid East Maps-Palestine

Prior to 1917, the territory that is called Palestine or Israel was ruled by the Ottoman Turkish Empire, and included several sanjaks or districts. The name Palestine, that was used by Roman and Arab rulers, was revived by the British, who received a mandate from the League of Nations to administer Palestine as a national home for the Jewish people.

Israel was created in 1948, after UN Resolution 181 partitioned the territory of the British Mandate for Palestine into two states for Jews and Palestinian Arabs. At the time, there were approximately 1.2 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews in all of Palestine. The Arabs objected to the creation of the Jewish state and fought a war against it. The Arab side lost the war, and the Palestinian state never really came into being. The territory allotted to the Palestinian state by the UN partition resolution was taken over by Israel and Jordan. About 780, 000 Palestinians became refugees, many of them living in the Gaza strip as well as in the West Bank.

In 1967, Israel fought its Arab neighbors in the 6 day war after Egyptian President Gamal Nasser closed the straights of Tiran to Israeli ships and threatened a war to destroy Israel. Israel conquered all of the Sinai peninsula and Gaza strip that had been held by Egypt. After Jordan began firing on Israeli towns and took over the post of the UN Commissioner in Jerusalem, Israel attacked the Jordanian held West Bank. The Palestinians in those areas came under Israeli rule. Israel began to build Jewish settlements in these territories. In 1987, Palestinians began a rebellion against the Israeli occupation, the Intifada, but this had apparently failed by 1991.

More HERE

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There you go!

capt

Where is the country of Palestine today? 7-27-2006? It doesn't exist except in your demented mind. Ottoman? Isn't that something you stick your stinky feet upon after a busy day at work? Sorry to insult you. You may not know what work feels like. Carry on in your Dr. Demeto bizarro world.

Deciphering Frum: He backs Murtha

I’≠ really sick and tired of these disingenuous pundits that are incredibly adept at creating slogans like "cut and run," and "axis of evil," which have helped tear apart the fabric of our country, but aren’¥ honest enough to say Murtha was right.

Greenwald has more.

More HERE

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The old leather neck is a pro-war hawk. There has not been a single military action that he could not support. That was until Bunnypants screwed the pooch with his illegal and unwise invasion and occupation of a country we had sewn up with no-fly zones north and south and sanctions.

Crusader Bunnypants was so awesome when he took out the toothless paper tiger. Now look at him, Alfred E. Newbush.

What a miserable failure, of course Murtha was right on this one.

capt

There was a Palestine, until The ILLEGAL state of Israel wiped them off the map.

Mid East Maps
Detailed Map of Palestine Showing Armistice Lines of Israel and Jordan - 1949
Signed by Moshe Dayan and Ahmed Sudki El-Jundi

The map below was prepared in 1944 by the British Palestine Survey. It was updated in 1946, and was apparently used by the armistice negotiators in 1949 to provide the basis of the Israeli-Jordanian border as it was until 1967. This copy of the map has heavy dark lines drawn along what became the Jordanian - Israeli border, with red lines (in the Jerusalem area) used to show the borders of demilitarized zones. The map is signed by Moshe Dayan for Israel and Ahmed Sudki El Jundi for the Kingdom of Transjordan. The original map was in two parts, and the place where the two have apparently been joined together by Cellotape is visible. The original maps do not appear to show some of the borders such as the border between Palestine and Syria and that between Palestine and Lebanon.
This overview is scaled to 1 to 1,000,000. The large detailed maps (North Central and South) clearly show the names of many towns and villages that figured in the Israel war of Independence (1948 war) including Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, site of a massacre by Jewish Irgun/Lehi forces (April 9, 1948), Gush Etzion, site of a massacre of surrendered Jewish defenders by Palestinians on May 14, 1948, Iraq El-Suweidan that figured in battles with the Egyptian army etc. Many of the Palestinian towns shown disappeared or became Jewish towns after 1948. Some of the Jewish towns and settlements were likewise abandoned either permanently, or until the West Bank and Gaza were captured by Israel in 1967.
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The lack of historical knowledge is both depressing and telling. Jerusalem is Palestinian territory.

I have a feeling you are being insincere or deliberately obtuse but :

From Encarta (today):

Map of Palestine (region) Asia

The last one was from Google today:

Mid East Maps-Palestine

Are you asking questions or playing games?

I think I can assume it is past your bed time?

We adults have things to talk about, I have offered to let you redeem yourself from your pathetic lies about something as dumb as the handle games, you ask for a map of palestine I have provided two - from today.

Now go to bed I am done doing your homework.

You are just a player and have nothing serious or honorable to contribute. And no your critique of the adults posting here is too juvenile to entertain any further.

capt

Where is Palestine?

For starters, since a certain poster here does not have any idea of its location, it is in the Middle East, west of Jordan.

Palestine is located between the longitude 34.15° and 35.40° east and between the latitude 29.30° and 33.15° north.

The Palestine borders, according to the border demarcation by the British Mandate, are as such: From the west the Mediterranean Sea along a coast of 224 square kilometers, from the east is Syria and Jordan (360 kilometer), Lebanon from the north (79 square kilometers). Palestine's border extends from Rafah in the south till Taba and the Gulf of al-Aqaba in the north (10, 5 Kilometers).
 
The northern and the northeastern borders were demarked by a French-English agreement on 23rd December 1920. This agreement was modified two years later by the two countries to include areas of water resources.

one of the n'sync guys is gay - what a shock.

Yeah, show me a map of Israel BEFORE 1948?

There is none.

Effin juvenile trolls are not worth the effort. They have never read a single history book. Their self imposed stupidity is from thinking they know something (usually everything). Just like children so sure and so wrong.

UGH!

capt

areas of water resources.

there's that word again.

WAIT a minute!

I know where they mix up comes from:

The neoconmen think the Palestinians are actually occupying Israel!

That is pretty funny, no?

capt

"Don't you know it's the water, that makes the Israelis fear"

(to the song about Coors beer?)

Okay, maybe Olympia beer? I cannot remember and have never been a beer drinker.

Okay, I just typed in "Palestine" in google maps, it took me right to it?

To give even more consideration I tried Google Globe - again took me right to it.

I am done with this troll - not just a liar a pathological liar.

"And this country being Palestine? I still can't find it. Even on Google maps!"

Is that right? That makes the troll stupid and a liar unless, just maybe he forgot to press enter? (naw)

capt

"Get the facts, or the facts will get you. And when you get them, get them right, or they will get you wrong." ~ Dr. Thomas Fuller (1654 - 1734), Gnomologia, 1732

But, ya know what, I sincerely wish that you, RedAlert, would stop with the Israel bashing. I personally am sick at heart of the one-sided, black and white rhetoric. Israelis are people, too. I think there is room in the world community for Israel and Palestine to exist -- to suggest that one deserves to exist and the other doesn't, just fuels the flames.

Go ahead and voice your opinion, but please desist from spewing bullshit that is just as hateful as what comes out of the war-mongers. You sound like you want to blow HUMAN BEINGS off the face of the earth because you disagree with them.

What good does that do?

Thank you Mr. Howell.
Well, I'm going to do something very challenging tomorrow. I'm going to get up before the sun!!!! to go and pick blueberries. Why???? you ask. I don't know. I just told my husband to drag me out of bed when it's time to leave.

We are also going to go see Rock on the House. No. No...not House on the rock. Nooooo. I'm going to see the house that a big old boulder fell on. And then I'm going to visit a toy store in Wabasha where the toys are hand made. And then...what else...I don't know. All I know is I can't come home until midnight because my 17 year old daughter is having her birthday party and I'm not allowed to be there.

مع السلامة (ma-a ssa'la:ma)
This is a semite language for goodbye. Guess which one.

Here's a clue.
The other one

Oh, and our current government is just as cavalier and dismissive of the value of certain lives over others, that by using your logic, RedAlert, we should then blow the United States off the face of the earth.

The War on Lebanon and the Battle for Oil

Is there a relationship between the bombing of Lebanon and the inauguration of the World's largest strategic pipeline, which will channel more a million barrels of oil a day to Western markets?

Virtually unnoticed, the inauguration of the Ceyhan-Tblisi-Baku (BTC) oil pipeline, which links the Caspian sea to the Eastern Mediterranean, took place on the 13th of July, at the very outset of the Israeli sponsored bombings of Lebanon.

One day before the Israeli air strikes, the main partners and shareholders of the BTC pipeline project, including several heads of State and oil company executives were in attendance at the port of Ceyhan. They were then rushed off for an inauguration reception in Istanbul, hosted by Turkey's President Ahmet Necdet Sezer in the plush surroundings of the ?ýraðan Palace.

More HERE

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Hard to jack up prices and keep them high if oil demand via pipeline is adding to the supply. The only question is: Would the energy oligarchs pull something as nefarious as a war to keep their profits? The answer is of course, they will do anything to make more money. That is what happens when you put business values and amorality in place of human morals and values. (so says the prophet profit)

capt

Let me refine that.
Arabic language

Spoken in: Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Palestinian Territories(West Bank and Gaza), Western Sahara (SADR), Yemen by a majority, and in many other countries, such as Israel and Iran, as a minority language; it is also the liturgical language of Islam.

Saudis Publicly Warn US & Israel

from one brutal regime to another -
awkward for bush? now he has to decide:
saudibush?.....israelibush?
i know! bushco can sell arms and give secret aid to both sides just like the bushco seniors did with the iran/iraq war. genius! $$ all around boys! how could it possibly fail?

Micki,
the mother of one of the Israeli soldiers captured agrees with you. She just wants peace. She want the same peace for mothers in Lebanon and I'm sure Palestine. Why don't we let the mothers settle this battle. It would end in about five minutes.

Sorry, no profit in peace. The current "peace dividend" would be a reduction in the price per barrel of 30-50%.

We can all do the math on this one.

capt

our current government is just as cavalier and dismissive of the value of certain lives over others, that by using your logic, RedAlert, we should then blow the United States off the face of the earth.

absolutely the u.s. should be wiped off the map!

in fact it will be just as soon as the super highway from mex thru tex to canada is built, or the massive detention centers that halliburton got another no-bid contract to build here in america are built. whichever comes first.

Funny thing being a republocrat, I think both Israel and Lebanon should wipe each other off the face of the earth. That way I dont have to hear about the crap in the news and we can get back to the important news that one of the Nsync guys is gay. What a shock.

Drew

Jeanne, I still dream that this century can be the century of "renewal." I can't stand the idea of leaving my children a world filled with wars and violence. Wouldn't it be a huge step forward if we could develop a capacity to emphathize and understand and feel the sufferings of others, so that the lunacy of war would be erased from the face of the earth? I so admire the mother of the captured Israeli soldier -- she gets it.

David, thank you for Amiri's website -- I really like his artwork. What a combo -- a computer whiz and an artist! I'll bet he has other talents, too!

I assumed they were all straight or I d=never really thought about them in a context that would relate. I think it is okay for Lance to declare a specific title but what is the difference to anybody except those who know him.

Why would I care one way or the other? I kind of like not knowing because that way I am sure I am not using preconceived notions (which are usually wrong anyway). I have made some real bone-headed assumptions about some people I knew well, so I try not to do that.

I say good for him either way! Making it public seems odd to me but GO BOI!

capt

You're all targets, Israel tells Lebanese in South

Everyone remaining in southern Lebanon will be regarded as a terrorist, Israel's justice minister said yesterday as the military prepared to employ "huge firepower" from the air in its campaign to crush Hizbollah.

Haim Ramon issued the warning as the Israeli government decided against expanding ground operations after the death of nine soldiers in fighting on Wednesday.

"What we should do in southern Lebanon is employ huge firepower before a ground force goes in," Mr Ramon said at a security cabinet meeting headed by Ehud Olmert, the prime minister. "Everyone in southern Lebanon is a terrorist and is connected to Hizbollah. Our great advantage vis-a-vis Hizbollah is our firepower, not in face-to-face combat."

Mr Olmert promised that the army would "continue toward the established goals".

More HERE

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Sure, they say the Rome meeting is a green-light. Sounds like they are using Frank Luntz for the frame verbiage to twist the message - kind of fixing the facts around their goal. If the message from Rome was a united globe AGAINST their actions the Israelis would demand a condemnation of Hezbollah and use that as justification for more military action.

I do not think there is any stopping the juggernaut now. The fuse was lit in Iraq. Who’¨l stop the (steel) rain?

capt

Now that Lebanon has stated, over 70% of the civilian population is backing Hezbollah, and Hamas, I guess it is really Lebanon who is attacking Israel. Israel should waste the entire bunch of them for hiring Hezbollah and Hamas to do their fighting so they could pretend like they weren't actually involved. Now that everyone knows Lebanon is paying Hezbollah and Hamas, hopefully the United States will send in troops with the Israeli forces, and wipe the whole lot of them out.

val 89

Maybe, now that every one knows it has been Lebanon attacking all along, all this talk of collateral damage will stop, since there is no such thing as collateral damage to willing participants, who are aiding Hizbolla.

Has Olmert joined Bush in a case of madness?

Howdy Ffolks!

howdy backatcha Hajji. Hey dude, have y'all caught our multiple murder suspect yet? They found his partner in Pande's area, but this Snyder dude has been staying with a gal he met on myspace in your area. He killed 4 youngsters in Clear Lake 3 years ago, and is now 'sposed to be hiding in the woods. If the dogs bark, be careful when you check it out!

dear val 89 and ashley 90, you remind me of the bushbots who post here, namely lbh. he says crazy things like 70% of the lebanese population support Hezbollah so israel and the USA should kill them - you know, you're taking about 4 million people. imagine if republicans or democrats could be killed becuase they supported their parties. crazy right? you see, in the modern world, in democracies, under the rule of law, people ecannot be prosecuted for what they think. in the rule of law, people can be prosecuted only for breaking it. it occured to me that you two are not even real. you are the figment of some joker's imagination, i wonder if you believe what you write. that would be hard to imagine.

rate the prez

should be over 350,000 votes now

Everyone in southern Lebanon is a terrorist and is connected to Hizbollah.
....Haim Ramon of the Israeli government

and it's as simple as that.

attention southern lebanon! we are about to bomb the holy fuck out of you and all of you that don't manage to flee for your lives when our ground force invades will be considered to be terrorists and killed. we will then set up new borders and it's merely a coincidence that these new borders will include the only source of fresh water for the entire region. we are doing this because YOU are the terrorists and for no other reason. our criminal peers in the american govt/mcmedia will dissemble and stall while we accomplish this and they will even provide us with WMD on the sly which we have already used on you repeatedly. any pathetic outrage that might be shown by any concerned outsiders who manage to even notice what is happening will be dealt with simply by calling them jew-haters.
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do you really think that it is not as simply black and white as that?

Israelis are people, too.

maybe if the israelis treated other people like people and not like slave-cattle they wouldn't engender so much hatred upon themselves. but the israelis WANT to be hated. it gives them the justification they need to wipe their neighbors off the map.
"oh these terrorists surely hate us because we are jews and for no other reason! that's why we slaughter them, salt their fields and wells and crush them beneath our bulldozers as we steal their land - because they hate us for being jews!"

59 And this country being Palestine? I still can't find it. Even on Google maps!
Posted by: ICH at July 27, 2006 11:40 PM

Every professor I had in college and grad school said check google, if it's not there it never existed. i checked google to see if it had a map of north america prior to the europeans arriving. it doesn't !!! OMG, all the stories about the Iriqois nation, the blackfeet, the mohawks, ALL LIES.

But...don't cry for me. Three days before the crash, I backed up everything.

He is not only smart (Ivy League Phi Beta Kappa) he is wise. Congratulations David. That's the best news so far. I can't imagine you facing the chore of slogging through all the footnotes again.

I keep watching the top right hand column of your blog for a sneak peak of the cover art work and title... and maybe we'll get a few early reviews?

4 When Hezbollah and Hamas are their own sovereign country, there will be no collateral damage. When you allow terrorists to exist in your midst, you risk harm when the terrorists do what they do best. And let us not forget what the terrorists want. They want Israel, not peace. You cannot negotiate with terrorists.
Posted by: ICH at July 27, 2006 09:21 PM

You poor thing. Do you truly believe that the people of Miami should be bombed and killed because the city of Miami allowed terrorists to live in the city limits? How about Boston, Manchester NH, Buffalo, Seattle or New York City? The terrorists lived in these places too. Surely you are not arguing that the citizens of the USA lose their right to life because their government has allowed terrorists to live in their midst? I know you are not making that argument because no one could be so incredibly

i think that probably val and ashley have husbands that are soldiers over in iraq fighting the big bushco war for profit built on lies.
if their fragile illusion of israelibushco moral superiority were to be shattered then they would have to face the reality that their husbands were duped into fighting and dying for a false-flag.

All fundamentalisms are dangerous. They put faith-based law above human law, obedience above reason, and xenophobia above empathy. Worst of all they promote hate and call the result love. How can the rapture-people be happy about all that violent death in the Middle East? They only care about the salvation of their own, poor, selfish souls, and their doctrines are blinders that shield them from other people's suffering. It wouldn't matter but for the fact that the present administration considers them and the other fundamentalist Christians as its political base. It seems to be the same everywhere: The Israeli leaders defer to their fundamentalist Jews, and the Arabs are afraid to dialogue with their own recalcitrant groups.

Posted by: Karen at July 27, 2006 10:21 PM

Well said.

24 ICH are three letters in the alphabet. Sue me! Oh my god, there's five more! And on and on and on.

Posted by: ICH at July 27, 2006 10:32 PM

Three letters that provide you with another alias. How many is that now? Active ones that you use on a single thread. "non-family dinner" that was a dead giveaway.

bless you these sacred holy instruments that they may destroy our enemies!

Home again, home again, jiggety jig. Ok. Hosed down the kids. Unloaded the gear. Returned the rental. Restocked the pantry. Cursed at the yellow spot in my back yard. Who left the freekin' slip-n-slide out? We're having visitors in the A.M. Caught up on the latest on the Cornblog. Whew.

I am itching to weigh in on the war between Hezbollah and the IDF. Too tired. Maybe tomorrow. Time for the latest (and last, till next Thursday) round of Late Night Funnies. Short and Sweet:

"You know Ann Coulter? She was on CNBC today and she said 'Bill Clinton is gay.' Please, just because she's the only woman on the planet he wouldn't have sex with doesn't make him gay."
--Jay Leno

"A Tomahawk cruise missile fell off a truck in the Bronx this week. A cruise missile, isn't that unbelievable? You know what that means? There are now more weapons of mass destruction in the Bronx than there are in Iraq."
--Jay Leno

"President Bush met with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and he spent the first hour trying to pronounce Nouri al-Maliki."
--David Letterman

"We talk a lot about Iraq, the Middle East, and Baghdad in particular, which hasn't had what they call utility services. They haven't had water, electric return to the state the way they were before the war, but the United States isn't really doing so great with that here either."
--Jon Stewart

"Humanitarian aid in the U.S. has begun arriving in Lebanon. The U.S. Government sent 10,000 medical kits, 20,000 blankets, $30 million cash and today the people of New Orleans said: 'They did what?'."
--Jay Leno

"We're still on the road to World War III. Things were looking a little grim last week -- all those countries pressuring us to call for an immediate cease-fire, but we stayed strong. Sure, we sent over Condi Rice to negotiate, but she's not there for cease-fire. No, she's there for 'sustainable cease-fire,' which considering the Middle East, is like sending her to bring back Jimmy Hoffa on a unicorn."
--Stephen Colbert

Jon Stewart: But as some see mayhem and chaos in the violence, Rice sees chaos and makes 'mayhem-ade'
Condi: What we're seeing here, in a sense, is the growing birth pangs of a new Middle East.
Jon Stewart: Birth pangs? Yes, I believe today's contraction took out a city block.

"Earlier today, former President Bill Clinton campaigned for Senator Joe Lieberman. Clinton got the crowd so worked up that they had trouble sleeping through the Lieberman speech."
--David Letterman

"The heat wave is breaking records all across America. It was so hot in Washington, people are sweating like President Bush trying to spell Hezbollah."
--Jay Leno

#43 Yes, there is a map! In the back of the Holy Bible there`s three or four maps. One of them titeled: "Palestine at Jesus Christ`s time."

#75 #76 Good show, Jeanne! The neocons have no clue whatsoever conserning the history and the meaning behind the word: Semite. They only yell: Anti-semite! Anti-semite! Every time sombody critizise Israel. They don`t know that this expression actually covers all the Midle East people!

LBH / July 27..shouting out inflammatory statements like "Jew Hater" or "Hezbollah terroist" only demonstrates your inability to pull out the facts. The "anti-semite" card has been used aud nauseum. It is has been used over and over again to shut down the debate and has provided an opportunity for the "greater Israel" folks to move their expansionist plans forward. The history of Zionsism is fascinating, the movement took a turn for towards the hard right and has not turned back. The kibutzniks, the socialist in that movement were not as radical as the hard right that have pushed for wavering expanding borders in Israel.

Israel exists, whether it had the "right to exist" based on the Bible ( a book written by Jewish guys) is seriously questionable, Israel exists. The methods used during 1947 at the Un to create the state of Israel were twisted. The Jews had suffered terribly during WWII and based on the guilt (which the U.s. should feel) the state of Israel was created. The Palestinians were offered a fraction of the territory that they had been living on. The creation of Israel was done clumsily and the area has been inflamed ever since. (maybe this is what some want).

Both peoples have their historic roots in this part of the world, Jews need to publicly apologize for the atrocities committed against the Palestinians in the process of creating Israel, and they need to get out of the occupied territories. Until then the cycle of violence will continue

This attitude does indeed against amongst some Jews (as well as other cultures and religions) and it needs to be examined closely.

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus stated, "The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable."

LBH / July 27..shouting out inflammatory statements like "Jew Hater" or "Hezbollah terroist" only demonstrates your inability to pull out the facts. The "anti-semite" card has been used aud nauseum. It is has been used over and over again to shut down the debate and has provided an opportunity for the "greater Israel" folks to move their expansionist plans forward. The history of Zionsism is fascinating, the movement took a turn for towards the hard right and has not turned back. The kibutzniks, the socialist in that movement were not as radical as the hard right that have pushed for wavering expanding borders in Israel.

Israel exists, whether it had the "right to exist" based on the Bible ( a book written by Jewish guys) is seriously questionable, Israel exists. The methods used during 1947 at the Un to create the state of Israel were twisted. The Jews had suffered terribly during WWII and based on the guilt (which the U.s. should feel) the state of Israel was created. The Palestinians were offered a fraction of the territory that they had been living on. The creation of Israel was done clumsily and the area has been inflamed ever since. (maybe this is what some want).

Both peoples have their historic roots in this part of the world, Jews need to publicly apologize for the atrocities committed against the Palestinians in the process of creating Israel, and they need to get out of the occupied territories. Until then the cycle of violence will continue

This attitude does indeed against amongst some Jews (as well as other cultures and religions) and it needs to be examined closely.

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus stated, "The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable."

OOps sorry! #168 Red Alert (previous post) I do have strong opinions about the middle east, and my opinions are based on facts and from talking to many people who have spent a great deal of time in Israel and in Palestinian refugee camps.

I just so wish and pray that this conflict could be resolved. So much of U.S. foreign aid, time and energy has been spent on this conflict.

#50 Jeanne That interview with Armitage was illuminating.

#67 Capt "Yeah, show me a map of Israel BEFORE 1948?" Clever

#74 Micki I have never seen Red Alert say such a thing

"to suggest that one deserves to exist and the other doesn't, just fuels the flames.
Go ahead and voice your opinion, but please desist from spewing bullshit that is just as hateful as what comes out of the war-mongers. You sound like you want to blow HUMAN BEINGS off the face of the earth because you disagree with them."

I have seen Red Alert post articles and information. I have never seen this person suggest anyone being wiped off the map.

#103 Pandemoniac..thanks for sharing the laughs.

I believe most people who share their views on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict on David Corns site want peace in the middle east, for both the Palestinians and Israel. Although the media in the U.s. has been so shut down, so lopsided for the last 50 years to truely discussing the issues in a fair and honest way.

The neocon resurgence

The delusional US mindset that made the Iraq war a disaster has resurfaced in Lebanon

Once again the Bush administration is floating on a wave of euphoria. Israel's offensive against Hizbullah in Lebanon has liberated the utopian strain of neoconservatism that had been traduced by Iraq's sectarian civil war. And the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, has propelled herself forward as chief cheerleader. "What we're seeing here," she said, "are the birth pangs of a new Middle East." At every press conference she repeats the phrase "a new Middle East" as though its incantation is magical.

Her jaunt to the region is intended to lend the appearance of diplomacy in order to forestall it. As explained to me by several senior state department officials, Rice is entranced by a new "domino theory": Israel's attacks will demolish Hizbullah; the Lebanese will blame Hizbullah and destroy its influence; and the backlash will extend to Hamas, which will collapse. From the administration's point of view, this is a proxy war with Iran (and Syria) that will inexplicably help turn around Iraq. "We will prevail," Rice says.

The administration has traditionally engaged in promiscuous threat conflation - al-Qaida with Saddam Hussein, North Korea and Iran in "the axis of evil", and now implicitly the Shia Hizbullah with the Sunni Iraqi insurgency. By asserting "we" before "will prevail", Rice is engaging in national interest conflation.

More HERE

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A very good piece.

capt

to micki at 74, you know, I really wish Israel felt that there was room for both themselves and Palestine, Lebanon and all the Arab people. Maybe you have not read the many musings of the Zionist leadership of Israel that I have left here. Read, Zionist, not Jewish, two different creatures. I know there are many good people in Israel, I have been reading about the groups who are loudly and forcefully protesting this latest Israeli invasion. I would not wish to blow up anyone, but I do hope that those responsible for this murdering rampage against innocents, and all those who support it, will be brought to justice, and that includes President Bush and all his Zionist Neocon buddies, but I won't be holding my breath. You are sick at heart, and so am I. I am sick of Israel getting away with murder for decades, I am sick of them demonizing innocent people and forcing families from their homes. I am sick of them destroying orchards, olive groves that are many years old, farms, bulldozing houses, building Apartied walls and roads solely for Israelis to use, forcing two different colored license plates to distinguish race from a distance, forbidding inter-religious marriage between Jews and non-Jews, and oh so many other things that they call democracy. I am sick of it. And so is most of the rest of the civilized world. If Americans weren't so brainwashed by Zionist-media propaganda, they would know what has been happening in the middle east all these long decades, and they would be sick of it too. But I suppose it's teaching an old dog a new trick. My advice to the many good hearted people of Israel, your leaders are going to cause death and destruction for you, you may want to find a temporary refuge until this blows over, if it ever does, but if history is anything to judge by, that may be a long time coming. Why suffer needlessly?

Red, you hit the nail on the head with:"your leaders are going to cause death and destruction for you,"

It is the leaders and govenmental officials marching out the plague of violence. It is our leaders allowing it to continue.

Both are in dire need of regime change. Bush and his cabal are useless maggots feeding on the blood of their citizens, conscripting youth to provide cannon fodder for the endless wars, the same is true with Olmert and his merry gang running the killing machine slaughtering children by the hundreds,perhaps thousands.

Willfull disregard of life by these so-called, leaders calls for their immediate removal from their respective positions and to be tried for high crimes against humanity.

Any support of these sub-human war mongers is at the citizens own peril including ours.

Red, you hit the nail on the head with:"your leaders are going to cause death and destruction for you,"

It is the leaders and govenmental officials marching out the plague of violence. It is our leaders allowing it to continue.

Both are in dire need of regime change. Bush and his cabal are useless maggots feeding on the blood of their citizens, conscripting youth to provide cannon fodder for the endless wars, the same is true with Olmert and his merry gang running the killing machine slaughtering children by the hundreds,perhaps thousands.

Willfull disregard of life by these so-called, leaders calls for their immediate removal from their respective positions and to be tried for high crimes against humanity.

Any support of these sub-human war mongers is at the citizens own peril including ours.

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Hello DEN, here is a statement I fully agree with, I think it applies to America also. A small minority group is being allowed to bring indescribable grief to the majority of the people, the majority will have to make them stop or it will only get worse.

Israeli Chief of Staff Dan Halutz said that Israel is "changing the rules of the game" in Lebanon, and warned that "nothing is safe in Lebanon, as simple as that". But, everyone knows that what goes around comes around. That is why people are fleeing Haifa southward or taking cover in fortified rooms. The lives of Israeli non-combatant civilians are of no concern to Halutz. Nor are the lives of Israeli soldiers captured in battle. All are victims of Israeli militarism.

The familiar dance of death, orchestrated by the Israeli militarists and ethnic cleansers, will continue, with ebbs and flows, with ceasefires and "peace processes" and open conflagrations, with unimaginable misery, death and destruction, UNTIL the people of Palestine, Arabs and Jews, rise up to "change the rules of the game", to overthrow the Zionist pyromaniacs and poisoners of wells, and to rebuild the country on a new basis, on a basis that respects democracy and human rights and good-neighbourly relations.

All anti-war efforts in Israel, and all solidarity efforts abroad, should be directed to this goal.

Homecoming delayed for thousands as military tries to stem Iraq violence
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Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Thursday extended the tours of some 3,500 members of the 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team. The unit, which has been serving in northern Iraq, was scheduled to be leaving now. Instead, most of its 3,900 troops will serve for up to four more months. It was unclear whether the unit would go to Baghdad.

“There is no question that resetting the force after the heavy usage that’s occurred costs money and will have to be funded in supplementals for a period of time,” said Rumsfeld, who predicted that funds may be needed for up to three years after the war ends.

Assembling more troops and armor in Baghdad is aimed at calming sectarian violence that has increased in the capital since mid-June, when al-Maliki launched a broad security crackdown.
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My God! Mission creep is gonna keep these men and women in Iraq past their time. Billions more to re-equip and outfit them in an urban environment. Morale is already awful and the prospect of heading into B'dad to start a "new defensive" after many of them, and their families, will mean death for at least a few of their numbers.

...and for what?

Hello Hajji, do you think this could be part of the reason? Along with the Israeli dream of a "New Middle East," one that does not include Arabs in the picture?

Exxon Mobil, Shell Earnings Jump as Oil, Gasoline Prices Soar
July 27 (Bloomberg) -- Exxon Mobil Corp. and Royal Dutch Shell Plc, the world's biggest and third-largest oil companies, posted combined second-quarter profits of almost $18 billion on record crude prices.

Net income at Exxon Mobil rose 36 percent from a year earlier to $10.4 billion, or $1.72 a share, the Irving, Texas- based company said today in a statement. Shell, based in The Hague, said its profit jumped 40 percent to $7.32 billion, or $1.13 a share. Both companies exceeded analyst expectations.

``The energy sector is again poised to be among the best- performing sectors in 2006, with a strong second half ahead,'' said Gene Pisasale, who helps manage $25 billion, including 4.9 million Exxon Mobil shares, at Mercantile Bankshares in Baltimore. ``Investors are underestimating the earnings power of this group.''

Exxon Mobil's revenue rose 12 percent to $99 billion, marking the first time in history that a U.S. company exceeded $1 billion a day. Sales swelled as crude-oil prices surged to an all-time high on demand gains and supply disruptions in Nigeria and the Gulf of Mexico.

``Earnings have just been spectacular,'' said Barry James, who manages $1.7 billion, including 54,500 Exxon Mobil shares, at James Investment Research in Xenia, Ohio. ``Cash flow is going gangbusters.''
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Here is a thought, how about dropping all these CEO's, along with their "gang-busting" cashflows into Lebanon just before an Israeli Phosphorous bomb explodes over their heads? Does that seem too harsh?

Too harsh? Not from where I sit, Red...not at all.
-T

Bought a copy of the New York Times yesterday.

It was worth more than a buck ($1.00)to see that damn smile wiped off Condi's face while standing next to Lebanon's PM.

Israel has a long history of abusing the United Nations
Deadly air strike highlights jewish state's traditional disregard for safety of peacekeepers

The crux of the problem is that the Jewish state resents the United Nations because it has failed to accept repeated humiliations - and worse - with sufficient obsequiousness. In the Israeli view, international organizations should follow the example of the United States, which has frequently betrayed both the safety and the reputation of its own military and diplomatic personnel by meekly accepting Israeli atrocities and provocations. The US government forced the US Navy to help cover up the nature of Israel's deliberate 1967 attack on the USS Liberty, which killed dozens of American servicemen, and to deny proper decorations to victims and survivors alike. There was no outcry from the US government when Israeli armored units bullied lightly armed US Marines who were part of an international stabilization force sent to Lebanon in 1982. Even when Israeli warplanes repeatedly endangered the safety of State Department envoy Philip Habib by buzzing his helicopter in the same year, even when Israeli commanders invited Palestinian shelling of his quarters by firing their own guns from next-door, there was no real cost to the Jewish state for having bit the hand that fed it.
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Informative history. Israel to the citizens of Planet Earth, "fuck off and die!" Are you beginning to understand why my sympathy for Israel is at a very low ebb?

Alan,

Yeah, they've got a picture of the dude taken down in Reedy Falls Park, just last week or so. Allie B. just LOVES it down there. Guy's probably out of the area, now, but we feel pretty secure up here in the compound, regardless. Kinda hard to sneak up on us, dontchaknow....

-T

Coverage doesn't cut it

State of play in the Middle East: Lebanon, extensively damaged plus a half-million refugees; Syria, tired of being dissed; Israel, disproportionate. Are you kidding? Did it work last time they occupied Lebanon? Condi Rice, undercut by neocons at home? Iraq, completely fallen apart. Iran, only winner? Everybody else, mad at Bush. Most under-covered story, collapse of Iraq.

And what do I think this is? A media story, of course.

From the first day of 24/7 coverage, you could tell this was big. By the time Chapter 9,271 of the conflicts in the Middle East had gotten its own logo, everyone knew it was HUGE. I mean, like, bigger than Natalee Holloway. Then anchormen began to arrive in the Middle East and people like Anderson Cooper and Tucker Carlson - - real experts and then Newt Gingrich -- and who would know better than Newt? -- declared it was World War III. Let's ratchet up the fear here -- probably good for Republican campaigning.

By then, of course, you couldn't find a television story about the back corridors of diplomacy and what was, or more importantly, what was not going on there. Between Anderson Cooper and Tucker Carlson, it was obviously World War III, and besides, there were a bunch of American refugees in Lebanon who couldn't get out, and so, elements of the Katrina story appeared, Thank God Anderson was there.

More HERE

Dead UN soldiers had atrocoities info

Wayne Madsen | July 28 2006

The result of U.S. intelligence support for Israel is directly linked to the targeting of particular locations, including the Israeli launch of 24 high-explosive missiles on a block of ten buildings in south Beirut. The entire block was leveled in the attack. The deliberate Israeli attack on a United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) outpost in southern Lebanon was the result of that post gaining information of Israeli atrocities committed against the civilian Lebanese population. The Israeli attack, called deliberate by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, killed blue helmet peacekeepers from China, Finland, Canada, and Austria. Israeli continued to attack the UN post even as rescuers attempted to locate survivors in the rubble of the building. The deliberate 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, an NSA spy ship monitoring communications during the Arab-Israeli Six Day War, was the result of the Liberty intercepting Israeli communications on the massacre by Israeli forces of surrendering Egyptian prisoners of war in Sinai. Israeli planes continued to attack the ship, even after it raised a large American flag. U.S. Navy and NSA survivors in the water were also strafed by Israeli aircraft.
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I thought the job of the US Liberal media was to report all the negative news about President Bush? How come I haven't heard anything about this on CNN?

25,000 stateside troops tapped for Iraq deployment

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Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved a request by the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq to extend the deployment of part of the Alaska-based 172nd Stryker Brigade, which has been in Iraq for about 10 months, a Defense Department news release says.

The Department recognizes the continued contributions of the 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team and their family members. The extension reflects the continued commitment of the United States to the security of the Iraqi people, the news release says.
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Use 'em all up, wear 'em out, wear out the equipment, hell, we'll just recruit more, buy more...didn't we tell you this Iraq war is gonna virtually Pay For Itself?

Condi keeps saying that she wants to remake the middle east. The average American would expect that to mean a peace loving area that will export oil to us cheaply. However, what if it means an area in continuous war buying weapons from U.S. companies, and exporting high priced oil so Exxon can make a ton of money. So she is either a giant failure if she is seeking peace or the most craven evil person to walk the globe since Hitler. In either case, why do I have to pay her salary.

The Lebanese Invasion and the Beaver Creek Plan

Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track, writes Israel Shahak in an introductory note of a translation of Yinon's paper (see previous link). The subsequent dissolution of Syria and Iraq into ethnically or religiously unique areas, as in Lebanon, is Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run. The dissolution of the military power of these states serves as the primary short-term target.

Of course, this precedent resulted in the creation of Hezbollah, probably at the moment the most potent resistance movement on the planet, thus requiring Israel to re-invade Lebanon.

However, it would be simplistic to assume Israel re-invaded Lebanon primarily to deal with Hezbollah, as we are told by a complaisant media. In fact, Israel's re-invasion is part and parcel of the Zionist-neocon plan to violently splinter the neighborhood along the lines envisioned by Eban, Yinon, and the Zionist establishment, firmly entrenched in the racist and expansionist ideology of Ze’•v Jabotinksy, essentially the founder of the Likud party.

...the current phase of the Zionist-neocon plan gelled during a Beaver Creek, Colorado, confab (more accurately described as a meeting of criminal minds) sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute and held on June 2006 17th and 18th of this year.

The purpose was to discuss the planned and impending Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) invasions of Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon. Cheney was thoroughly briefed and approved the coming assaults, before the Hamas capture of an IDF soldier on June 25 or Hezbollah's capturing of two others in an exchange first reported as occurring in Israel and now believed to have happened inside Lebanon after IDF forces illegally entered the country, writes Stephen Lendman. Two leading Zionists, former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Likud Knesset member Natan Sharansky, were in attendance.

Following the Colorado meeting, Netanyahu returned to Israel for a special ex-Prime Ministers meeting in which he conveyed the message of US support to carry out the Clean Break policy officially ending all past peace accords including Oslo. At the meeting in Israel in addition to Binyamin Netanyahu were current Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and former Prime Ministers Ehud Barak and Shimon Peres.
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I am so thankful for the internet, so many secrets revealed. I just can't count on our Liberal media anymore. David Corn seems to believe the current civil war brewing in Iraq is the result of bad planning, but it seems to me, it IS the plan.

All of the "news" is so very grim today.

UGH!

capt

Capt, no end in sight either, batten down the hatches and hoist the mainsail, we are headed for uncharted waters.

Can anyone recommend a safe refuge? I am thinking that my advice for Israelis caught in the crossfire may be good for Americans too!

Let's be honest here.

David Corn

Gee, I wonder where David got that? Where's my royalties?

Mr Corn, If you were being honest you would know that Lebanon could put a stop to the bombing right now by stopping Hezbollah once and for all.

I see Capt and Jeanne and Kathleen (Jew Haters) are all in a tizzy about the poor Palestinians. What does the Palestenians have to do with Hezbollah kidnapping two soldiers and using Irianian rockets to kill civilians? All your doing is changing the subject once again because your support of terrorists is a weak argument!

Let's be honest here.

David Corn

Gee, I wonder where David got that? Where's my royalties?

Mr Corn, If you were being honest you would know that Lebanon could put a stop to the bombing right now by stopping Hezbollah once and for all.

I see Capt and Jeanne and Kathleen (Jew Haters) are all in a tizzy about the poor Palestinians. What does the Palestenians have to do with Hezbollah kidnapping two soldiers and using Irianian rockets to kill civilians? All your doing is changing the subject once again because your support of terrorists is a weak argument!

All of the "news" is so very grim today.

UGH!

capt

Now that is funny, you must not ever read what you or the other Cornnuts post here! Ugh is right!

All of the "news" is so very grim today.

UGH!

capt

Don't woory Capt, the Anti-Christ will be here soon to save you!

Kathleen, RedAlert (Saladin) and others -- One reason I am weary of the Israel-bashing on one side and the Arab-Palestine-Lebanon-Hezbollah et al-bashing on another side is, I believe that the only solution that will bring peace, though perhaps an uneasy one, in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a two-state solution -- two strong, independent, economically viable nations, side-by-side. An impossible dream?

I see no value in constantly scapegoating one side in this sorry state of affairs -- it's too complicated for that.  Yes, Israel has violated the Geneva conventions and international standards. The country's leadership and out-of-control military does horrible things in the name of its citizens. (We have Tony Snow, as a public voice for the president, using inappropriate, insensitive words like "undue carnage to civilians" and "lamentable side effects" when he's referring to the killing of women and children, which doesn't help matters!)  

Also, while we verbally fight with each other on this blog about "who's a bigger one," the current killing and pillaging between Israel-Hezbollah-Lebanon is a distraction from Iran's nuclear ambitions. (Convenient for Iran.) It's also a distraction from the growing chaos in Iraq. (Convenient for the bushevikian neocons.) If you say you want a lasting peace, it won't come with constantly taking sides -- it can only occur when people -- here on this blog included -- put aside our differences and look for solutions, and do away with the one-sided finger-pointing.

Bought a copy of the New York Times yesterday.

It was worth more than a buck ($1.00)

Damn, geof01, that's some spending ass wiping paper!

Lebanon could put a stop to the bombing right now by stopping Hezbollah once and for all.

Why is everything completely upside down for bushevik sycophants?

Why do you think Lebanon can put a stop to Hezbollah's militia when the most advanced army in the world (ours) cannot put down the terrorists/insurgency in Iraq for what is going on over three yeas now? And, in case you've forgotten, it is getting worse not better.

Only Israel can decide to stop bombing Lebanon right now.

Your support for that bombing and other american who agree is what enables our government to stand back and let it happe and worse, supply the Israelis with lethal weapons that kill innocent lebanese civilians.

Why do you think Lebanon can put a stop to Hezbollah's militia when the most advanced army in the world (ours) cannot put down the terrorists/insurgency in Iraq for what is going on over three yeas now? And, in case you've forgotten, it is getting worse not better.

Only Israel can decide to stop bombing Lebanon right now. The only thing upside down is your solution.

O Reilly

How do you know Lebanon can't put a stop to it? They haven't even tried. Are you a fortune teller now?

Yes, Israel could stop bombing terrorists but this doesn't stop the terrorist from bombing Israel.

What you're saying is that it's OK for Hezbollah to bomb civilian populations without warning, but the Israelis must stop bombing Hezbollah after they've given a warning to the people of Lebanon. How is this logic going to solve anything?

a distraction from Iran's nuclear ambitions

and how would any of us know what iran's nuclear ambitions truly are? by their own words they have no intention of developing nuclear weapons. they have signed the non proliferation treaty and according to the IAEA iran does not have the capacity to produce the proper grade of nuclear material that weapons would need. they have been trying to build a nuclear powerplant for a good long time now and are being thwarted at every turn.
who's word do we have that iran's intentions are to build nuclear weapons? bushco's and israel's. what a shock.

"evil iran's intentions are to develop nuclear weapons and destroy us! why? simply because we are poor beleagured israel. now we must destroy them because we say that they hate us and the fact that 90% of their oil fields (and a much better grade of oil than anyone else's at that) are located along the border with bushco's iraq is merely a coincidence! our puppet thralls the americans will gladly assist us while we (who have NOT signed the non-proliferation treaty while having approximately 200 nuclear weapons of our own that we are not required to disclose)commit a false-flag terror event to be blamed on iran, giving us the justification we need to bomb the holy fuck out of them as well - hail to the chief!"

RedAlert at #123

The reason you haven't heard it on CNN is because none of the garbage you regurgitated in your post is true!

There is no end of material out there for the gullible to swallow hook, line AND sinker...

a distraction from Iran's nuclear ambitions

and how would any of us know what iran's nuclear ambitions truly are? by their own words they have no intention of developing nuclear weapons. they

Bluesky is falling!

Since you hold Irans words in such high esteem, maybe this will help your ignorance:

BBC News 10/2005

Iran leader's comments attacked

Mr Ahmadinejad warned Muslim leaders not to recognise Israel
The European Union and Russia have joined condemnation of the Iranian president's public call for Israel to be "wiped off the map".
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's remark has already been condemned by individual EU states and Canada who all summoned Iranian diplomats for an explanation.

A top Israeli minister called for Iran to be expelled from the United Nations.

The White House said the comment showed the US was right to be concerned about Iran's nuclear programme.

Those who insist on transferring the Iranian nuclear dossier to the UN Security Council have received an additional argument for doing so

Sergei Lavrov
Russian foreign minister

Western governments are bound to see the remark as further proof that Iran's hardline president is disinclined to curb his country's controversial nuclear programme, says the BBC's diplomatic correspondent, Bridget Kendall.

bluesky,

To discover the truth all you need to do is read what the Iranians have put in print for the world to see. They fully intend to develop a nuclear weapon to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Try doing a little investigation and perhaps you will discover the truth. A good place to start is www.memri.org

Hey, bluesky, we don't know for sure what Iran's nuclear intentions are but we sure as hell know this is a distraction from dealing with the situation, ain't it? There are growing numbers of countries with nuclear intentions, ambitions, knowledge, materials -- can't say that I blame them, given that bush and his boyfriends are destabilizing the world with their imperialism and militarism. I don't trust bush to tell us the truth, but that doesn't lead me to believe there is a real good reason to trust the Iranian government to tell us the truth on their nuclear plans.

Remember 1981? Israel took out Saddam's reactor before it could go "hot" precisely because Saddam's stated goal was to develop three devices to use on Israel!

He even wrote a letter to Iran at the time stating that the nuclear weapons he was intent on developing were not intended for them!

Get a clue folks! It's really eerie listening to the news these days as I get a big case of deja vu when Iran states they are only developing nuclear power for "peaceful purposes" This is a brazen, bold-faced LIE. Anyone who believes them is either willfully ignorant, gullible or worse.

that's very good tim. hmmm. i suspect that your failure to provide a reference means that you are mistaken. but maybe that's not so surprising; after all, the last reference you provided was laughable at best.

my mistake. i now see your reference and will refer to it. but that doesn't change the fact that your reference on the previous thread was laughable.

I can only lead horses to water, not force them to drink.

More from BBC News

'World without Zionism'

Mr Ahmadinejad told some 3,000 students in Tehran that Israel's establishment had been a move by the West against the Islamic world.

He was addressing a conference entitled The World without Zionism and his comments were reported by the Iranian state news agency Irna.

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," he said, referring to Iran's late revolutionary leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

In 2001, former Iranian president Hashemi Rafsanjani speculated that a Muslim state that developed a nuclear weapon might use it to destroy Israel.

His comments were part of a critique of what hew called American imperialism in the region.

Such calls are regular slogans at anti-Israeli or anti-US rallies in Iran.

Mr Ahmadinejad warned leaders of Muslim nations who recognised the state of Israel that they faced "the wrath of their own people".

Mr Ahmadinejad came to power earlier this year, replacing Mohammad Khatami who had sought better relations with the West.

Sounds like Kathleens talking points.

I can only lead horses to water, not force them to drink.

bluesky,

I'm not sure which post of mine you are referring to. Perhaps if you reproduce it here I can help.

Tim

That was too funny, but you should have said:

I can only lead Ass's to water, not force them drink.

An answer to Mr Corns question:

Editorial: It is time for Iran to end the killing

The Australian ^ | July 29, 2006

In Lebanon and Israel, Ahmadinejad has blood on his hands

IS the value of human life less in Lebanon than that of citizens elsewhere? Are we children of a lesser God?" asked Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora this week in Rome. "Is an Israeli teardrop worth more than a drop of Lebanese blood?" It's a good question and one that drips with as much anger and poignancy as Shylock's famous soliloquy in The Merchant of Venice. But it is also, sadly, the wrong question. For, in the present conflict, there is no difference between Lebanese and Israeli blood. Both nations are being made to pay the price for policies set by thuggish theocrats in Tehran and, to a lesser extent, Damascus. Those are the men to whom Mr Siniora's question needs to be directed. Hezbollah, aka the Party of God, touched off the current conflagration by kidnapping two Israeli soldiers and killing three others in a cross-border raid just over two weeks ago. That attack was only the latest in a long series of often fatal harassment actions conducted by the terrorist group since it filled the void left by Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon in 2000. Through it all, Hezbollah has been a puppet of the Iranian theocracy, which created it more than 20 years ago with the purpose of using terrorism to expand the Shia regime's influence throughout the Middle East. In retaliating against Hezbollah and pressuring Lebanon to control its territories and kick out the organisation, Israel is taking a logical step against an Iranian regime whose leaders routinely vow to "wipe Israel from the face of the map". Every one of the nearly 500 deaths of the past two weeks, whether Lebanese or Israeli, is tragic. But those who complain Arab blood is cheap must realise that the price is being set in Tehran, not Jerusalem. And the power to stop the bloodshed lies most of all with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who at a stroke could get Hezbollah to lay down its arms and quit a country in which it does not belong.

More for Mr Corn: let's be honset!

When one strips away all the emotional and political baggage from the situation in the Middle East, the present conflict is at its heart a battle between a liberal democracy and a fascist dictatorship. It should be no trouble to figure out which side is in the right. Yet events in the Middle East are seen through one's individual political prejudices. In the West, too many on the Left are unable to put aside their reflexive anti-Americanism and romantic beliefs that Islamic radicals are simply freedom fighters to judge the situation fairly. Thus groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas that use terror as the means to spread their own political and religious obsessions are not seen as the bad guys; rather, Israel is. This view has poisoned the debate in many sectors of the media, where Israel's defensive actions are routinely cast in an aggressive light, and in the streets, where at so-called peace rallies Stars of David appear on banners next to swastikas separated by a "=" sign. But if those who blame Israel were to put away their anti-American prejudices and forget for a moment the half-baked postmodern narrative of colonisers and liberators, they would see in Hezbollah something that could just as easily be called the Nazi Party of Tehran. Today all Israel wants in the present conflict is for the Nazis to go home. Hezbollah was created by a regime every bit as totalitarian and anti-Semitic as the Third Reich. The values of the Iranian theocracy, which executes homosexuals, oppresses ethnic and religious minorities and treats women as property, should be offensive most of all to the progressive Left. Although there have been some heartening and worthwhile efforts on the left, such as the Euston Manifesto, to come to terms with these facts, it is the liberal democracy of Israel that is all too often cast by progressives as the villain. Were a similarly fascist group to emerge in the Arafura Sea and lob missiles into Darwin on a daily basis, Canberra would likewise have no choice but to respond militarily.

reproduce it so you can help? ha ha - it was in reference to my post about seismic jolts on 9/11.
perhaps you just think that you can post nonsense that you claim refutes other info and then ignore the refutation of your nonsense but it doesn't work that way. if i go back and reproduce it here it will only be for the purpose of pointing to the foolishness of it once again.

why don't you insread show me where on here http://www.memri.org/ it says that the iranians are trying to develop nuclear weapons. i didn't see that anywhere on there.
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mick:
we don't know for sure what Iran's nuclear intentions are but we sure as hell know this is a distraction from dealing with the situation, ain't it?

what is a distraction? the israeli's brutal land grab and destruction of lebanon? a hell of a distraction, ain't it?
iran has signed the non-proliferation treaty. the IAEA says iran would be a long time coming in developing weapons grade material. so. if you look at pakistan you find that they have not only NOT signed the treaty but have spread the technology to real enemies such as n korea.
yet here we are ready to bomb the holy fuck out of iran simply because bushco has told us that iran is the threat. right. everything is a big distraction from the "terrible iranian menace." after iran is framed with a false-flag attack in the same manner that muslims in general were framed with 9/11, i hope that you don't have any children of the proper age to be conscripted.

Worth repeating:

The values of the Iranian theocracy, which executes homosexuals, oppresses ethnic and religious minorities and treats women as property, should be offensive most of all to the progressive Left.

Why is this not offensive to you OReilly, Kathleen, Capt, dot., bluesky, redalert?

bluesky

Your Iranian theoracy has infected your mind!

Lighten up guys and gals. Read some poetry and enjoy

There once was a fellow named Drewp
His brain is a big old poop scoop
likes fake left wing news
and he hates all the Jews
No limit to how low he will stoop.

There once was a fellow named capt,
who proved himself to be a sap,
while writing just lies,
They pile up, attract flys
it's not writing, it's just stinky crap.

A gay guy is named red alert
Head filled with Corn's false Hershey squirt
With no sense in his head
Wants all Jews to be dead
He should be in a hole filled with dirt

A moron his name is just Dot
Brain power he has not a lot
A mere child it seems
In his world of just dreams
All the lies by the left he has bought.

There are two girls, Jeanne and Kathleen
They are an excellent example of nature wasting perfectly good clits, on brain dead Fu*k-ups

Is a Lebanese life worth less? To the leaders of Israel, yes of course it is worth less than the life of an Israeli? Where are these people when Israel is getting bombarded? Is an Israeli life worth less to them?

Even as Mideast countries call on Israel to step back, they do not recognize Israel's right to exist. This is a necessary first step. That European nations and the American left are not going after this root cause, are failing to pressure Iran and Syria to take this necessary first step, speaks volumes about how they regard the value of an Israeli life.

The Lebanese people, in allowing Hezbollah to thrive and hide in their midst, are not innocent bystanders. The Lebanese government says it can not rid its house of this pest; then its leaders should expect a call from the exterminator.

The sad part is that Israel can not exterminate Hezbollah either; not in 10 days or 10 weeks or 10 years of occupation. Their actions would be justified if there was a reasonable chance of success, but they are doomed to fail and are giving their enemies new reasons to hate them.

From the previous thread: micki and capt, thanks. An Alexander Pope misquote.

those values ARE offensive to me lbh. but our "allies" the saudis and pakis and taliban behave in the same manner - is that now going to be the justification for the destruction of iran? i will remind you that iraq did not have a theocracy nor were various religions nor women treated as property there. in fact iraq was the only country in the entire mess down there that didn't discriminate. look what happened to them. bushco told us there were WMD. there were not. back in the gulf war we were told of the incubator "evil destruction". lies. we were told that arabs highjacked planes and "hate our freedoms". more lies. now we are told that iran will "nuke us all" if we don't nuke them first. you believe that? i do not. bushco's including clinton's records speak for themselves:
lies, false-flags, state sponsored terrorism, playing both sides against the middle, israeli influence, actual WMD, bla bla bla. you guys are either fucking morons or you embrace such back-handed tactics.

There are serious questions regarding the validity of the Israeli version of how their two soldiers were "kidnapped." Numerous news outlets around the world have posted that the Israeli soldiers had infiltrated into Lebanon to the village of Aitaa al-Chaab, well inside Lebanon's southern territory. When armed military personel of one nation cross over the border and into the territory of another sovereign nation, the apprehension of said personel is NOT kidnapping but capture, a very different thing. The twisting and spinning of the truth has to stop. This was an act of aggression on the part of Israel with the full intention of it being the "catalyst" for the carnage we have seen unfold. In a very real sense, Israel is responsible for the existance of Hezbollah and to think that Hezbollah would just sit back and relax because Israel no long occupied southen Lebanon is naive to say the least. One does not need to have a PhD in Political Science or be a member of the diplomatic corp to see that other Arab nations and Islamic groups would support Hezbollah either directly through monetary aid or supplies or defend their right to exist and be a legitimate voice in protecting the people and land of Southern Lebanon. If we here in the USA were faced with similar aggression from one of our "neighbors" you can be sure we would do the very same thing and be lauded as brave, loyal patriots and defenders of our nation.

eggman

well said!

we were told that arabs highjacked planes and "hate our freedoms". more lies. now we are told that iran will "nuke us all" if we don't nuke them first.

bluesky is falling

Yes, we are told that arabs highjacked planes and hate our freedoms (told by Arabs. Yes, we are told that Iran will nuke us - Israel and the West-including the Europe (told by the Iranians)

Do you have a problem comprehending what they have said or is this just liberal bias?

Even as Mideast countries call on Israel to step back, they do not recognize Israel's right to exist.

since the very moment that israel was foisted on the middle east they have done nothing but spread out and take what is not theirs. always in a brutal manner while proclaiming "jew-haters!"
if a new family moved next door to your house and started trying to push the property line over to make their yard bigger you would not tolerate that would you? if they kept throwing rocks thru their own window and calling the cops to say that you did it you would not tolerate that either would you? if they poisoned your dog you would not tolerate that for a moment would you?
you would get fed up and do something about it. wouldn't you.

162 - you are a moron lbh. why don't you provide some proof of these claims?

i'm still waiting for tim to show me where on his reference http://www.memri.org/ it says that the iranians are trying to develop nuclear arms? so far the only proof we have to that effect is the "good" word of tim and lbh.

Israel and the West-including the Europe (told by the Iranians)

translation:
fox news says that bushco says that israel says that iran told them they will nuke us because they hate our freedoms!

those values ARE offensive to me lbh. but our "allies" the saudis and pakis and taliban behave in the same manner

Bluesky is falling

I'm glad you finally admit that the Islamic radicals have offensive values. One correction- the taliban are not our allies. yes, Saudis clerics preach hate as well as Paki clerics. You finally realize what the problem in the world is - Radical Islamic clerics preaching hate.

"It is the dogma of Islamic salvation that you must conquer the world for Islam . . . They want to destroy the West. They want to establish Shia Islamic law all throughout the world. They have this crazy dogma - and somebody's got to take them seriously."

152 another unattributed cut and paste post from the trolls... AKA troll droppings. You can lead an ASS to cut and paste but you can't make him think critically. Please sir, may I have some more kool-aid?

bluesky out.

Israel and the West-including the Europe (told by the Iranians)

translation:
fox news says that bushco says that israel says that iran told them they will nuke us because they hate our freedoms!

Bluesky is falling

Hint: try doing a google search-

This is why liberals can't win the war on terror, they can't even do a simple google search for the truth!

152 another unattributed cut and paste post from the trolls... AKA troll droppings. You can lead an ASS to cut and paste but you can't make him think critically. Please sir, may I have some more kool-aid?

Dot.

Hint: It's part 2 of post 151 from the;

Editorial: It is time for Iran to end the killing

The Australian ^ | July 29, 2006

Hey dot, I was wrong you can't even lead a
dumb-ASS to the water, forget about drinking it.

AKA~ dumb-Ass droppings!

LBH and eggman,

Well said for both of your recent posts.

What's fascinating is that some folks here willfully IGNORE stated intentions from the likes of Iran and Hezbollah and INVENT evil intentions they impute to the Israelis that are clearly nothing but their biased opinion and have no basis in fact.

162 - you are a moron lbh. why don't you provide some proof of these claims?
Posted by: bluesky at July 28, 2006 03:03 PM

He is not a moron, he's an ignoramus. Check out link 137 above. He argues that that Lebanon can stop the Israeli shelling of its country.

He is not a moron, he's an ignoramus. Check out link 137 above. He argues that that Lebanon can stop the Israeli shelling of its country.

Dot.

Keep it up dot, your values are showing:

Worth repeating:

The values of the Iranian theocracy, which executes homosexuals, oppresses ethnic and religious minorities and treats women as property, should be offensive most of all to the progressive Left.

"It is the dogma of Islamic salvation that you must conquer the world for Islam . . . They want to destroy the West. They want to establish Shia Islamic law all throughout the world. They have this crazy dogma - and somebody's got to take them seriously."

And evangelical Christians are told it is their duty to convert all non-believers.

That Talmud says all non-Jews are lesser beings than even dogs, and as such are not deserving of any dignity.

So should we judge ALL believers of particular religions based on the most extreme rhetoric of SOME of their followers?

156
MuchSmarter

That was inappropriate. I am not into calling people names, like YOU and Gerald.

I am interested in debating current events.
We should all pull up a chair to this blog table and have a meeting.

Lets get started.

First off, let's start with the gals, Jeanne, Val, Cindy, Kathleen, ahsley and Micki. In order to keep the giggling, silly questions and even sillier opinions to a minimum, you gals run quick and make us some coffee. Bluesky , you go with the gals and assist them. If we feel our topics aren't over your pretty little heads, we'll leave a short memo in the kitchen for you to gossip over, while you make our lunch. Please girls, have lunch ready in two hours. Thank you so much, sweeties.

Can I get a second on my motion?

I will wait for a second to my motion, before we start the meeting.

A question being asked of those who cry and whine over civilian casualties, and blame Isreal for the blood shed: if Hezbola lays down its weapons, and recognizes Isreal, how many bombs will Isreal drop on Lebonone?? If Isreal lays down its arms, how many rockets will Hezbola drop on Isreal?? That Berg fellow went to Iraq to help people, and he opposed the war, so why did Zarqoui lop off his head??

This is why Lebanons citizens are in harms way, while the leader of Hezbollah is hiding like a coward in Iranian embassy in Beriut.

Hizbullah Used Civilians, Mosques in Attack on IDF

10:19 Jul 27, '06 / 2 Av 5766
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

Hizbullah refused to allow civilians to leave their village and used mosques in their ambush on IDF soldiers at Bint Jbeil Wednesday. Names of the nine fallen soldiers were released. Morale is high.

Hizbullah stored ammunition and weapons in mosques, knowing that the IDF does not attack religious sites. Civilians were not allowed to leave so that Hizbullah could use them as cover. IDF officers said they ordered pilots not to strafe Bint Jbeil in order to spare civilian casualties.

A United Nations peace keeping officer from Canada told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. that Hizbullah used the same tactic to draw fire on the UNIFIL post which resulted in the death of four U.N. observers. "This is their favorite trick," he said. "They use the U.N. as shields."

So should we judge ALL believers of particular religions based on the most extreme rhetoric of SOME of their followers?

Turdblisster

No Turd, just the ones that preach extermination of an entire race.

second!

Hey dot

Help the girls out and bring us some of those Bunghole donuts you've been keeping to yourself.

There is also American blood and American tears!

American Soldiers

2,893 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his lies.

18,500+ American soldiers have been maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his evil lies.

55,000+ of the 140,000 American soldiers are suffering from PTSD. Stress disorder has increased and the percentage is now around 40%.

Over 350,000+ Iraqis have been killed in Iraq since Bush declared shock and awe bombings on March 19, 2003.

Contamination from depleted uranium may have affected 125,000+ American soldiers and several million Iraqis.

Are you feeling more safe and secure with Bush in the WH and Cheney as his chief hatchet man overseeing Nazi America and her citizens?

Our military men and women are used as cannon fodder for a terrorist Nazi American government.

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, AND NEITHER DO WE. George W. Bush, August 5, 2005

Rigged elections doom American democracy. American soldiers are being killed and maimed TO PROMOTE A NAZI AMERICAN STATE.

Henry Kissinger says that military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.

Nazi America is a mirror image of Hitler Bush.

Nazi Americans continually justify sin.

Nazi Americans are accomplices with Bush for his murders and war crimes.

Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiers

WHILE Israel fights Hezbollah with tanks and aircraft, its supporters are campaigning on the internet.

Israel's Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages.

In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS) have downloaded special "megaphone" software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate.

Jonny Cline, of the international student group, said that Jewish students and youth groups with their understanding of the web environment were ideally placed to present another side to the debate.

"We're saying to these people that if Israel is being bashed, don't ignore it, change it," Mr Cline said. "A poll like CNN's takes just a few seconds to vote in, but if thousands take part the outcome will be changed. What's vital is that the international face of the conflict is balanced."

Doron Barkat, 29, in Jerusalem, spends long nights trawling the web to try to swing the debate Israel's way. "When I see internet polls for or against Israel I send out a mailing list to vote for Israel," he said. "It can be that after 15 minutes there will be 400 votes for Israel.

More HERE

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Well THAT explains a lot.

capt

Well THAT explains a lot.

capt

Sure does, their taking a page right from democratic liberal power players like George Soros and Michael Moore. Hey if it works for you guys, why not?

176 Stan

I will second your motion, and suggest:

Since most here will be liberals, we should follow the meeting procedure of the most popular liberal in America, Bill Clinton.

Due to the undeniable fact, Mr. Clinton believes,
the most important contribution to world given by women is a blow job, I suggest we allow our women to choose by themselves, who will be first to bring our coffee and give us all blow jobs.

Can I get a second?

I will also wait for a second, before we officially start the meeting.

Stan....#176

Believe me, you don't want me to make coffee or lunch for you. In your smarmy attempts to diminish and marginalize the women who have posted here you have negated any legitimacy you may once have had.

We second it, and we want to be first, please.

from #27 on the last thread...

Impact time, AA Flt 11: 8:46:40 a.m.

Impact time, UA Flt 175: 9:03:11 a.m.

.......HOWEVER,

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/Eq/20010911_wtc.html

the official data readings from Lamont-Doherty give the following seismic events:

time 8:46:26: 0.9 Richter, signal duration 12 seconds [reported as first impact, WTC1]

time 9:02:54: 0.7 Richter, signal duration 6 seconds [reported as second impact, WTC2]
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James, when you sign back online, could you tell me where the first 'impact times' you posted came from? I was able to verify the official impact times from here and at the address you posted, but you never gave a source for what you say was the real impact time. Thanks.

Cindy 186

Thank you for letting me know, sweetie.

No coffee duty for you.

You do have my permission, however, to still deliver donuts and blow jobs.

Thanks for your interest, honey. Now, get those shoes off, and back into the kitchen with you.

Has anyone noticed that the two warmongering maggots, Chainey and Rummie, have been put in the closet and their mouths put in a muzzle?

Hitler Bush and his failed legacy has an Iraqi plan: more extended duty!!!

In a blog, possibly, two blogs down I had twenty articles and many did not support the troops!!! I support the troops: bring them home!!!

U.S. foreign policy on Lebanon makes our government and its citizens murderers. Your children will start school in late August and they will be writing reports on how their parents spent the summer? The children will write that my parents spent the summer murdering Lebanese men, women, and children through their denials, silence, and complicities toward murder. The children will remember their American parents as murderers.

*joke time

One of my oldest friends, Tracie in San Diego, told me this one. Said her b/friend told the joke to her... he didn't say this to her, just told the joke.
Guy talkin' to his girl... Hone, us menz only have two feelings, hunger and sexual urgings. So if you see I don't have a boner...
make me a sammich!
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I'd say that fits Stan's post to a T.

*honey

My parents are serial murderers - first Afghanis, next Iraqis, and now the Lebanese!!!!!

In America murdering is the most popular hobby!!!!!

If you look closely at the Americans' shit eating grins, you will see blood dripping from the sides of their mouth.

Thanks for the compliment Alan,

I learned it all from:
Master Progressive Liberal,
Mr. " Gimme a BJ " Bill Clinton.

We all know how important Bill thinks women are, for fondling and groping and raping ETC ...

Connected

177 A question being asked of those who cry and whine over civilian casualties, and blame Isreal for the blood shed . . .
Posted by: lee at July 28, 2006 03:42 PM

Since when has compassion for innocent bystanders become a pejorative? Since the bushivek sycophants have come to dominate the thread.

"Whatever one wants to say about policies, it's the reclaiming of patriotism. . . the affirmation of the nation's values which are transgressed by the policy commitments of the administration - that affirmation ought to be of the essence. We ought to declare a final terminus to the era of defensiveness. If it is a conservative age, and it is in many respects, it is partly because we have felt that it [is] their country. I think it is time to stop feeling that, and time to stop feeling that that title is automatic. They're the ones that have the explaining to do."

Todd Gitlin "Whose Flag Is It? Liberal Patriotism in a Conservative Age" 3/6/06

Thanks for the compliment Alan,

In case you weren't joking... that wasn't a complement to you Stan. I'm pretty sure you post stuff like that to try to piss people off and start an argument. When bushbots are up against a wall trying to prop up a failed presidency and failed policies, it's you guyz intention to deflect the convo to something else.
Worst prez in our history, no doubt about it.

A Very Dirty Business

In other news, after 10 inches of rain, parts of Ohio are experiencing a flood...

Anyone else noticed how the trolls are talking about Clinton, blow jobs, sexist musings and other distractions while Iraq is in the shitter, the threat of a world war looms in the middle east, and the president STILL has no solution to guard our boarders.

Stan #189

Since you are so well informed I'm sure you are aware of the name Bobbitt. That being said, trust me when I say that you do not want a BJ from me. And as for the donuts, would you prefer the arsenic or the chlorophacinone? Service with a smile.......that's my motto :-)

or our borders.

Democracy in the United States is eroding. It is being driven by an oligarchy which uses Bush Jr. as a mere communicator/messenger boy. That much is clear as water. And will continue.

Parents, here is the legacy that you and Bush, Jr. are passing onto your children and their children!!!!!!!!!!

183 That may work for the casual reader but anybody who takes some time to read about the issue from more than one perspective will not be swayed with their propaganda.

Thanks for the post!

Nazi America is a nation of trolls, murderers, and no democracy!!!!!

and the president STILL has no solution to guard our boarders.

O Reilly

That's a first, a liberal worried about our borders. I thought you said that it is a moral right for Mexicans to cross our borders for a better paying job. If only you could just make up your mind.

Does anyone think this chameleon troll is amusing at all? I suspect it's only 1-2 people maximum.
To David Corn's web guys: showing the IP adress a post originated from would hopefully help curb the blog abuse.

The Hatred Will Never Subside

I do not ever seeing the hatred subsiding. The Our Father is meaningless to Christians; Shalom will never be implemented; and The Formula for justice and peace is totally shattered and shredded forever. My dream of a world of justice and peace is no longer viable. Only nightmares will prevail!

All that I can pray for is for God to have mercy on my soul. I see a living hell for America and the world.

Anyone else noticed how the trolls are talking about Clinton, blow jobs, sexist musings

O Reilly talking about............say what?

Cindy, Cindy, Cindy,

Sounds like looking down at you giving me a BJ, would be like looking down while Corn Holing anyone else. Maybe you are up for Corn Hole?

They will be showered with flowers as liberators and murderers

Gerald

No offense, but sound very insecure in your faith of the Lord to be so frightful of the world.

# 156

That was great. I would be honored if you would do a poem on me.

And while I am at it, all those posts from overnight referring to the country of Palestine, where is it now? Who is its' President/Chairman
etc? All of you refer to the country of Palestine, yet it doesn't exist today.
Get real or take a geography course.

eggman at 157, how do you think Lebanon is going to solve a problem that Israel, who caused the problem in the first place with their illegal invasion of Lebanon, couldn't solve in 18 years of occupation? The right to exist? Yes. The right to pillage and destroy pursuing existance? NO! Do you know the history of Zionism? Iran sees a future without this extreme cult, just as I hope for a future without the extreme Bush regime. Israel and the Middle East would be much better off being rid of all these crazy extremists. Maybe then they would find peace.

Gerald, this might help you overcome such darkness in your life:

Then turn your face to the light
and then you will certainly find,
that, if you walk into the light,
the shadows will fall behind.

Tempus fugit memento mori

Stan #211

Please, have a donut......take two :-)

Alan,

Thanks again for another compliment.

Anytime a liberal thinks things are going wrong, or our GREAT PRESIDENT BUSH, is not acting as liberals would have him act, CONSERVATIVES are doing the RIGHT thing.

Israel is helping kill our enemy, and In Iraq, things couldn't be going better, as we have lost less people all told than we lost in the tragedy of 9/11, caused by eight years of the failed Liberal Democrat policy of appeasing, then cowering in fear from terrorists.

Meanwhile.

High temperatures over the past fortnight have led to the deaths of some 25,000 cattle in central California. Several California counties have declared states of emergency because of the large number of carcasses that need to be disposed of.

Saladin, why do you insist on asking "do you know the history of Zionism?" as though you are the only one with adequate knowledge.

Because you apparently have a better understanding of Zionism than mere mortals, please explain it to us. Seriously.

The far right and the far left eventually meet each other.

In America murdering is the most popular hobby!!!!!

Gerald

It's OK Gerald, according to Capt and Andrea Yates attorneys it's not anyones fault.

Medea Benjaman is one committed peace activist. She is truely remarkable, a truely compassionate person.

This is from code pink
We have exciting news to share with you today! After being rebuffed in our numerous attempts to meet with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, including setting up "Camp Al-Maliki" across from the Iraqi Embassy and publishing an open letter to him in one of the largest Iraqi newspapers, we received an amazing invitation: Five members of the Iraqi Parliament who are working on a Reconciliation Plan to end the violence in their country contacted us. Moved by the commitment of the long-term fasters and dismayed by their prime minister?s refusal to meet with us, these parliamentarians asked us to join them in Amman, Jordan next week to discuss their Reconciliation Plan, on condition that we break our long-term fast with them!

We are thrilled. It will be such a breakthrough for the US peace movement to be working directly with Iraqi peacemakers, and what better way to break our fast than with members of the Iraqi government seeking an end to the violence. So next week, we?ll be on our way to Jordan. In addition to a group of long-term fasters, we are inviting Congresspeople, academics, and notable journalists to join us.

This marks a big turning point in the fast, yet we know that we have a long way to go towards bringing the 140,000 US servicemen and women home from Iraq. We strongly encourage our local fasters to continue to do weekly or ongoing fasts, and to make your fasts public by holding actions outside Congressional offices and calling the media. Click here for info about getting involved in the fast locally. We plan to continue the Troops Home Fast campaign as energy builds towards the International Day of Peace, September 21, when Declaration of Peace events will begin around the country.

"...and In Iraq, things couldn't be going better"

I dunno whether to laugh, or mourn your complete brainwashing. Wow! That was just the worst example of your post. The rest was almost as stupid.

Kathleen's Code Pink itself is a study in strangeness.

They support Fidel Castro and other Communist leaders, protest wounded soldiers at Walter Reed Army Hospital, and notoriously facilitated a $600,000 donation of cash and supplies to the "other side" in Fallujah, Iraq. A short time ago they were caught faking a publicity photo on their website and had to change it. In spite of these activities, they claim to be against killing and torture, for the troops and say they want to stop others from lying. They are also apparently not very skilled with presentations.

The Follies

U.S. officials are murderers

Stevens, whose committee has authority over many Internet issues, defended his comments and said he had even received support from experts.

"I have a letter from a big scientist who said I was absolutely right in using the word 'tubes,"' he told reporters.
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more from the grand ol' stupid party

214 ... ICH
That was great. I would be honored if you would do a poem on me.

My pleasure.

This blog has a fellow named ICH
He makes Libs cry and whine and then bitch.
He's to smart for them
Because he's not a Dem
He falls not for the Libs lying pitch

Well, as long as it was not a little scientist.

HA!

capt

The soul of America is dead

Bush and Olmert deserve their fate because it is largely self-inflicted. The US government has acted too duplicitously and too myopically for too long to expect that anyone in this part of the world still trusts American promises. The Israelis should understand by now that blowing things up is not a suitable substitute for talking things out. In addition, those Arab regimes that long ago sold their political souls in exchange for American protection are speeding toward irrelevancy.
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Let us hear a great Amen!!!!!!!!!!

224 Alan

The truth always hurts the Liberals, doesn't it Alan

From the article, U.S. officials are murderers.

Some officials at the Pentagon share the view that illegal actions have been taken. Alberto J. Mora, the Navy's general counsel from 2001 until the end of last year, warned the Pentagon's general counsel twice that some approved interrogation methods violated "domestic and international legal norms" and that a federal court might eventually find responsibility "along the entire length of the chain of command," according to a 2004 memo by Mora that recounted the warnings. The memo was first obtained by the New Yorker magazine.
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Yes, our officials ARE WAR CRIMINALS!!!!!

#Red Alert Israel does seem to have a pattern with undermining the UN just like the U.S.

#134 Micki. I agree with a great deal of what you say. Although here in the states we have not been having an honest discussion about the middle east conflict. Many americans are uninformed about what took place in the middle east before the creation of Israel. Many americans have been spoon fed by the media that Israel is always right no matter what they do. This needs to stop. That is why the debate needs to happen not just here, but across the nation. AND IT IS BEGINNING AND THIS IS GOOD.

Micki, IAEA's Mr. El Baradei has said that Iran does not pose any imminent threat and that the inflammatory rhetoric needs to be turned down. Although I can imagine if I lived in that country and the U.s. had overthrown a democratically elected leader in the 50's that was trying to nationalize the oil revenues and then I watched that same country invade Iraq based on lies, on top of that Israel's grossly disproportionate response...I might be thinking about wanting a few nuclear bombs to slow down the aggressors.

You may have all ready done this, the IAEA web site is fascinating. Especially letters sent to the UN from Iran, Iraq and Syria over the years about Israel's unwillingness to sign the NPT and other treaties.
# Blue Sky
Nuclear OverviewIntroduction

Iran's interest in nuclear technology dates back to the U.S. Atoms for Peace program. In the 1950s, the Shah initiated Iran's nuclear research program and developed an ambitious plan to produce 23,000MW from nuclear power by the end of the century. Early progress was not steady, and the nuclear program was stalled by the Islamic revolution in 1979, then the eight-year war with Iraq through most of the 1980s. The program was revived later in the decade, when strategic interests began to drive the nuclear program. Under the Khomeini regime, Iran's nuclear program steadily grew on all fronts and stages of the nuclear fuel cycle, with a particular emphasis on developing and strengthening indigenous capabilities.

Partly as a result of the shortcomings in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) safeguards system—∑hich allowed the rapid development of the Iraqi nuclear program in the 1970s and North Korea's in the 1990s to go largely undetected—°nd partly by assessing Iran's intentions, the international community and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) have increased their scrutiny of Iran's activities over the last several years. The most alarming developments were revealed in 2002-03, during which time Iran admitted to having construction plans for two enrichment facilities, a heavy water production plant, a fuel fabrication plant, and undertaken research into conversion and enrichment activities (including centrifuges and possibly lasers). On 19 August 2003, Iran began testing a ten-machine cascade at the Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant at Natanz with uranium hexafluoride (UF6). (After announcing on 21 October 2003 that it would cooperate with the IAEA, Iran signed the Additional Protocol to the NPT on 18 December.) All Iran's research activities in the recent past undoubtedly contribute to the future development of a complete nuclear fuel cycle, which in turn would enable Iran to weaponize without relying on outside assistance.

nti.org

GO CODE PINK...TRUE PATRIOTS

I wanna try:

There once was troll named Capt
Who thinks Andrea Yates got a bad rap
He says DB's peer reviews are full of crap
but his quotes leave us wanting a nap
He likes to whine and cause a flap
But we all know he's just got the clap!

ButtHead 7/2006

Morgellons goes Mainstream
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Despite the skepticism surrounding Morgellons, one researcher, biochemist Randy Wymore, is looking into the disease and believes it's something real.

He has collected samples from many victims and analyzed the fibers under a microscope. They resemble no other substance he can find, he said.

"While the experiments have to be repeated, this fiber was not cotton. It was no known synthetic fiber. It was of unknown origin. We don't know the composition at this point," said Wymore of Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences
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Tin-Foil hats don't seem to be effective.
Tin-Man costume rentals, anyone?

-T

Hey girls,

Where the hell is the coffee. We give you the only job you can mentally handle, and you manage to screw it up.

Now get that damn coffee in here, or you don't get to give any Blow jobs. Cindy, no Corn holing for you either. Now snap it up with that coffee.

2006 - a second quarter scorecard

It's always summer to George W. Bush, our lazy, hazy, crazy commander in chief who puts in shorter presidential work weeks than Woodrow Wilson did after he was paralyzed by a stroke. Having stolen his way into the Oval Office what now seems to be several bad lifetimes ago, GW has treated us to a scorching five years that have inflicted on the world a pandemic of son burn. We have been continually baited and switched by an administration that promises sinsemilla and delivers oregano. As we sweat out the fifth summer of this affront to everything this nation could be, we all need a break.
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A little lengthy but a worthwhile read!

"More than two millenia ago, the Greek philosopher Empedokles paved the way ... by stating (according to J. Mimkes) that some people are like wine and water, mixing easily, while others are like oil and water, refusing to mix."

S. Fortunato & D. Stauffer, p. 234 in Extreme Events in Nature and Society, S. Albeverio, et al. (eds.), Springer, 2006.

Kathleen
235

says:

CODE PINK ... TRUE PATRIOTS ... and ... TRUE COMRADES of Communism, all things ANTI-FREEDOM, ANTI-AMERICAN, and PRO-TERRORISM.

He's got the whole world in his hands

George Bush's inept handling of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon--particularly his gauche performance at the G-8 summit--brings to mind the famous scene in The Great Dictator, where Chaplin's version of Hitler bounces a large inflatable globe. We're sliding into World War III and Dubya's playing with the whole world in
his hands.
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A great article!!!

"More than two millenia ago, the Greek philosopher Empedokles paved the way ... by stating (according to J. Mimkes) that some people are like wine and water, mixing easily, while others are like oil and water, refusing to mix."

Mr Peer Reviewer

Dude, we all know that all you have to do is shake the hell out of Italian dressing to mix it, Duh!

so kathleen, what does that mean? that the NPT means nothing? that the completion of iran's nuclear power facility means that they might be capable of producing weapons grade material? did or did not the IAEA state only a few months ago that iran is a very long way from nuclear weapons?
and if all that is so unpalatable to the rest of the world then why isn't israel or pakistan or india bound by the same constraints? does it boil down to the perception that iranians are evil and pakis and israelis are not? if so then who's perception are we trusting? the greedy power hungry war-profiteering criminal regime that has taken over america.

(iran's) nuclear program was stalled by the Islamic revolution in 1979, then the eight-year war with Iraq through most of the 1980s.

and who was behind all of that playing both sides against each other? the very same greedy power hungry war-profiteering criminal regime that has taken over america. has iran not been constrained by sanctions ever since? they have been under a microscope the entire time as was iraq. to think that bushco didn't know the exact whereabouts of every speck of dust in iraq is as ridiculous as the thought that they don't know the exact whereabouts of every speck of dust in iran.
the war-profiteers are manipulating perceptions of iran just as they did for iraq. "die evil towelheads!"
meanwhile the israelis are up to no good. see #95.

#229

Bravo! I am honored by your poetic genius.

As another poster on this often says..

Thanks for all of your work!

BUSHCO WILL NEVER EVER LEAVE THE WHITE HOUSE!!! There will be NO 2008 ELECTION!!! Bush and company can be tried in the American courts as war criminals!!!!!!!!!! Hitler Bush is a murderer and a war criminal!!!!!

207 That's a first, a liberal worried about our borders. I thought you said that it is a moral right for Mexicans to cross our borders for a better paying job. If only you could just make up your mind.
Posted by: LBH at July 28, 2006 04:50 PM

You continue to post the very first thing that comes into your head. Before you stake claim to what I said, you'd better be prepared to back it up. This blog is searchable; have at at.

This type of fluff argument is the kind of bullshit you are known for. It's a quick snappy sycophantic putdown. If you want to be taken seriously, you could start by taking yourself seriously.

Hey Trolls, the dinner bell is ringing.

Hint: try doing a google search-
This is why liberals can't win the war on terror, they can't even do a simple google search for the truth!

a google search of what lbh? why are you so lame that you can never seem to provide a reference for your claims? all you do is spout insults - you even admitted once that that was your sole intent and now you are still doing it.

is why liberals can't win the war on terror

more foolishness.

229
This blog has a fellow named ICH
He makes Libs cry and whine and then bitch.
He's to smart for them
Because he's not a Dem
He falls not for the Libs lying pitch
Posted by: Much at July 28, 2006 05:43 PM

Too smart, eh? To, too, two is 4th grade English. You must have skipped that grade.

Shin Bet Vetoed Secret Israeli-Palestinian Peace Agreement
GNN
Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:49:07 -0700reprehensor
R195926
5 hours ago PRESS RELEASE

Israeli and Palestinian Sources Concur: Israel Made War Inevitable
The Omega Institute (OI), which works closely with the Institute for Policy Research for Development (IPRD), has learned from Israeli and Palestinian sources that just prior to the current crisis, senior Hamas leaders were in active dialogue with Israeli religious leaders in a round of bilateral peace negotiations. Israeli negotiators included Rabbi Menachem Froman, former deputy leader and co-founder of the Israeli Settler movement Gush Khatif; Rabbi David Bigman, head of the liberal religious Kibbutz movement Yeshiva at Ma’°le Gilboa; and Yitzhak Frankenthal, founder of the Arik Institute. Ongoing negotiations had resulted in a breakthrough peace understanding, which was to be announced at a press conference in Jerusalem to mark the launching of an extraordinary peace initiative. Israeli Prime Minister Olmert had been briefed extensively about the initiative by Frankenthal. Also due to attend the conference were Khaled Abu Arafa, the Palestinian Cabinet Minister for Jerusalem, Sheikh Muhamed Abu Tir, senior Hamas Member of the Palestinian Parliament, and other senior Palestinian delegates.
The meeting was to announce a joint Israeli-Palestinian call for the release of Corporal Gilad Shalit who had been abducted by Hamas in Gaza, along with proposals for the beginning of the release of all Palestinian prisoners. These measures were to precipitate unprecedented new peace negotiations on a framework peace agreement, drawn on the 1967 borders. The presence of Palestinian Cabinet Officers and senior Israeli religious leaders in contact with the Prime Minster was to underline the seriousness of this peace proposal on both sides.
Just hours before the meeting was due to start, the Israeli Shin Bet internal Security Service arrested Abu Tir and Abu Arafa and warned them not to attend the meeting, under threats of detention. The meeting, which offered a major opportunity to obtain Shalit's release and launch a new framework for peace, was thrown into disarray. The next day, the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) invaded Gaza, and the day after both Abu Tir and Abu Arafa were abducted by Israeli forces, along with a third of the Palestinian Cabinet, provoking a predictable escalation of violence.
Israel simultaneously began conducting covert incursions on to Lebanese territory, provoking Hizbollah's capture of two IDF soldiers. Credible sources confirm that the soldiers were not abducted on Israeli territory, but inside Lebanon. Like the scuppered peace negotiations, Western officials have ignored this, and misinformed the media. However, some reports corroborate the sources. Israeli officials, for instance, informed Forbes (12.7.06) that Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel. The revelations show that Palestinian and Lebanese actors were not principally responsible for the escalation of the current conflict, said OI Director Graham Ennis. Contrary to the misinformation disseminated by the White House and Whitehall, Israel vetoed unprecedented peace proposals that would have initiated a promising new framework for serious negotiations, and went on to provoke Palestinian and Lebanese groups into retaliations, that now threaten to escalate into a dangerous regional conflict. For more information please contact
+44(0)7891 132 574 UK number, US callers; omit the zero (0)
or email: info@globalresearch.org
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How can any peace be found this way? I guess my post at # 115, part of which read "UNTIL the people of Palestine, Arabs and Jews, rise up to "change the rules of the game", to overthrow the Zionist pyromaniacs and poisoners of wells, and to rebuild the country on a new basis, on a basis that respects democracy and human rights and good-neighbourly relations. All anti-war efforts in Israel, and all solidarity efforts abroad, should be directed to this goal" did not make my feelings clear. If Israel does not want peace, what's to be done?

GOP hatemongers prevail in Congress

On HuffingtonPost, David Sweet offers the opinion that we need to rebrand "global warming" to "catastrophic climate change". Amusing and serious, both.

THREE HUNDRED and fifty years ago this week, Baruch Spinoza, the greatest philosopher ever produced by the Jewish community, was excommunicated, expelled, cursed, and damned by the exilic Portuguese Jewish authorities in Amsterdam. The dark shadow of the Christian Inquisition in Portugal still traumatized this most free and enlightened Jewish community of its time. The exact nature of his ``abominable heresies" and ``monstrous deeds" were not specified. Yet the challenge of Spinoza (then only 23) to his beloved Jewish community was primarily Socratic: to examine themselves and question the narrow framework they deployed by elevating unarmed truth and moral integrity over parochial prejudice and myopic vision.

The spirit of Spinoza | Cornel West | July 28, 2006

Repugnant hate continues

Red Alert, bluesky, O'Reilly, Geof01, David B. Benson, caroline, Hajji, cindy, Gerald, Micki, capt, Kathleen, Jeanne, Dot and David Corn have proven many times by their posts, they are exactly the same kind of patriots as Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh.

Barbarism of War

256 Repugnant hate continues

Israelis Rain Down Deadly DU On Lebanese Civilians
Esteemed expert and whistleblower highlights US sale of GBU 28 weapons

Esteemed depleted uranium expert Dr. Doug Rokke is pointing the finger at Israel for using deadly and illegal depleted uranium munitions against the Lebanese people which were sold to them by the U.S. government - and calls for an immediate halt to the practice.

Dr. Doug Rokke's military career spanned four decades before he was appointed as the head of the US Army's investigative team into the assessment and teaching of the dangers of depleted uranium.

Dr. Rokke has been called upon as an advisor for the Centers of Disease Control, Department of Defense, National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine, U.S Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, U.S. Department of Transportation, FAA, U.S. Department of Defense. U.S. General Accounting Office, Department of Veterans Affairs, British Royal Society, British House of Lords and House of Commons, United Nations, and Presidential Special Oversight Board.

Following the bombing of Afghanistan a scientific study by British scientists Dr. Chris Busby and Saoirse Morgan concluded that high levels of depleted uranium had contaminated Europe, having drifted on air currents from the Middle East and Central Asia.

Rokke said the Israelis first used depleted uranium munitions against the Egyptians during the Arab-Israeli war in 1973-74.

He outlined the path to the Israeli use of depleted uranium munitions, the 'civilized world's' dirty bombs, in Lebanon over the last two weeks.

"The US Army confirmed they had used over 500 tons of uranium munitions just in the first two months in Iraq - that's the shock and awe - the US Army thoroughly confirmed in that the GBU 28 - which is a precision guided bomb if you will - 5,000 pounds of explosives contains a uranium warhead - again these are the bunker busters," said Rokke.

"Well low and behold last week guess what the United States delivered to Israel - over 100 GBU 28's to use against targets in Lebanon."

"The Army thoroughly confirmed that its a radioactive bomb and the shrapnel is there after its use and it's a problem and everything else so it's all there."

"So now we have photographic confirmation - and I want to repeat - photographic confirmation of Israeli tankers loading uranium rounds into Israeli tanks and using them in Lebanon," Rokke told Jones.

"What we have now is deliberate use of radioactive munitions, depleted uranium munitions, which are illegal according to the United Nations."

"We've got all the Lebanese being effected, all the women and children being affected, all the Israelis being effected, and the areas over there are so small you're going to have the whole region effected and contaminated."

"We knew about the GBU 28 delivery, we knew that was a given thing - now we were looking at the damage that's being done to Lebanon and all the damage indicates DU but until we actually got the full photograph of the DU round being loaded by an Israeli tank gunner we didn't have that and that came in yesterday," said Rokke.

Rokke expands on Israeli use of depleted uranium mission in an article in which he states that, "the use of uranium weapons is absolutely unacceptable, and a crime against humanity. Consequently the citizens of the world and all governments must force cessation of uranium weapons use. I must demand that Israel now provide medical care to all DU casualties in Lebanon and clean up all DU contamination."

On Tuesday we carried a video of Lebanese doctors describing injuries to children as showing all the hallmarks of phosphorous - a chemical weapon also highly contentious in battlefield use.

In a related development, former NSA official Wayne Madsen was told by his sources that the Israelis deliberately targeted and killed four UN observers because they had obtained knowledge of Israeli atrocities being perpetrated against the Lebanese population.
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Have you seen a baby born with DU mutations? Do you want to? We have no need of a biblical hell, human beings are perfectly capable of creating hell right here on earth.

258
256 Repugnant, but, COMPLETE TRUTH continues

Posted by: O'Reilly at July 28, 2006 06

There has been only one Stan, the Man, that I remember. He was Stan "the Man" Musial, hall of fame outfielder for the St. Louis Cardinals.

The Nazi Repugnants throw out the window family values.
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Published on Friday, July 28, 2006 by the Sydney Morning Herald (Australia)
Children Die In the Name Of Protection
by Mike Carlton

Dachau, the first Nazi concentration camp, is a short train ride outside Munich. I went there in my 20s, deep in a German winter.

A cold mist drifted across the wire fences and the watchtowers and the museum that was once the SS administration block. Spots of sleet settled on the wrought-iron entrance gate which still displays, in evil black letters, that indelible Nazi lie of lies: "Arbeit Macht Frei" - Work Brings Freedom.

I was with an American backpacker I had met, about the same age. His father had been a Luftwaffe pilot, killed on the Russian front; his widowed mother had emigrated to the United States. He spoke fluent German. He was on his first visit to their homeland.

And so we walked through the camp in the lowering light. The shower room where prisoners were gassed. The iron hanging hooks. The red brick crematorium ovens. The pistol range where Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Poles, Czechs, Russians - and dissident Germans - were murdered for sport by drunken SS guards. The mass graves. The silent witness of 6 million dead.

As we left Baracke-X, the killing block, the American boy slumped to his knees, weeping. "Mein vater," he sobbed, in throaty gasps racked with pain. "Mein lieber vater." The Luftwaffe flier he never knew had been, however remotely, an agent of the Holocaust. We clung to each other in the Dachau rain, crying.

That preamble is necessary, I think, because, in these times, to write anything even mildly critical of Israel attracts a hail of letters from furious Jews hurling the charge of anti-Semitism. After last week's column, which canvassed the immorality of the Israeli Defence Forces killing Lebanese civilians, a hysterical Melbourne dentist wrote to accuse me of Holocaust denial.

Other emails, a little more rational but loaded with lofty condescension, fumed that I was either ignorant of history or unethically distorting it. My motive could only be hatred of Jews. "For your own career advancement," sneered one. Oh, please.

A third and larger group sent polite and laboriously long letters replete with internet links to this source and that, earnestly proclaiming Israel's right to defend itself from its hostile neighbors.

We can ignore the mad dentist. As for the second lot: we might bang on forever about everything from the Masada sacrifice to the Balfour Declaration of 1917, but that will not change the awful realities of the Middle East today.

It is the third group which warrants an answer. Yes, the Jewish state has every right to exist and to defend itself against those Islamic terrorists and their sponsors who seek its destruction. The Hezbollah rockets fired onto Haifa are an atrocity. The Hamas suicide bombers of Gaza are murderers. Innocent Israelis have died in their scores.

But does that give Israel some eye-for-an-eye license to destroy Lebanon, the only other democratically-constituted state in the Middle East?

Next time you write, please tell me why Lebanese children should die in their villages beneath the wings of the Israeli Air Force or be carried, shattered by Israeli shrapnel, into bombarded hospitals. Have you seen the horror in their eyes on the TV news? What did they do to deserve this crime against them? Are you no better than your terrorist enemies?

Please explain, too, why an Israeli missile slammed with deadly accuracy into the unmistakeable red cross atop a Lebanese civilian ambulance. Then tell us how it was that four United Nations observers were killed in an attack on a UN compound in southern Lebanon, an installation that had been there for 20 years, marked on every map, and which had broadcast no fewer than 10 appeals for a cessation of the shelling.

Finally, I ask you is it possible that Israel might crush Hezbollah only to create a new generation of neighbors who will grow in hatred to seek vengeance in years to come? Is that all you will achieve?

The monument to the Unknown Prisoner in Dachau carries this legend, carved in stone: "Den Toten zur Ehr. Den Lebenden zur Mahnung." To Honor the Dead. To Warn the Living.

And so to the Bush Administration, where the hypocrisy is now practically incandescent.

The President is a stuttering loon; we know that. But the sight of his handmaiden Condoleezza Rice, belatedly flitting from Beirut to Jerusalem in her selection of fetching pantsuits, "regretting" civilian casualties and bleating about "the root causes," makes you want to heave a brick at the TV set.

Israel gets at least $3 billion ($3.9 billion) a year in military and other aid from the US. The bombs dropped on Beirut were born in the USA. La Rice grandly offered Lebanon $40 million to clean up the carnage they had wrought.

More than ever I am convinced that she is actually Cindy Birdsong, the reborn second vocalist from the Supremes.

You continue to post the very first thing that comes into your head. Before you stake claim to what I said, you'd better be prepared to back it up. This blog is searchable; have at at.

OReilly

I wouldn't waste my time. Just trying to figure out which person to search: O'Reilly, dot., anonymous and more I'm sure.

If you agree with me that Mexicans do not have a moral right to come here illegally just say so. Quit being such a drama queen!

Strengthen by Re-Deployment

a google search of what lbh? why are you so lame that you can never seem to provide a reference for your claims? all you do is spout insults - you even admitted once that that was your sole intent and now you are still doing it.

Bluesky is falling

I've already posted references. Try this one it may help:

www.hookedonphonicsforliberalidiots.com

As the liberal icon Bagdad McDermott recently said:

"Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder"

I too would say, "insults are in the eye of the beholder"

Good luck, Cindy! May God bless and keep you and your peace movement!

World dithers as Lebanon staggers

WITH the Israel-Lebanon conflict slipping towards bloody stalemate, the rest of the world continues to fumble half-heartedly for an endgame.

The British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, was travelling to Washington last night for further talks with President George Bush, while the US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, said she was prepared to return to the Middle East at the weekend to try to find a solution.

But with Britain and the US still backing Israel in rejecting global calls for an immediate ceasefire there is little hope that the Anglo-American track can produce an end to the violence.

More HERE

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A good multimedia presentation: (might not be for dial-ups)

The War of Ideas: Five years after September 11

Multimedia: Paul McGeough finds George Bush's so-called Arab Spring in tatters in Lebanon.

capt

From Cindy's article, Camp Casey III!!!

We have been advertising that Camp Casey was going to begin on the 16th of August, so George is now going to his ranch in Crawford until the 14th. Since he didn't visit his ranch at Easter for the first time since he has been President, we are beginning to believe that he is frightened of us. It can't be because we are a physical threat to him: We have proven to be peaceful and non-violent---so it must be that he is afraid of the truth and too cowardly to, again, face grieving families and thousands of others who adamantly oppose his murderous policies. Consequently, we will begin Camp Casey on August 12th so we can at least share part of the summer with Georgie. We will still run Camp Casey until Sept. 2nd. There is so much to do.

Here's to Crawford. Here's to Camp Casey--- but most of all, here's to peace and accountability.

lbh your references did not back up your claim that iran is developing a nuclear weapon.

still with the insults? aren't you a little old to have to stoop to that kind of nonsense? every time i have done it i have immediately felt like a fool. that you continue to do so means that you must enjoy it, just as you informed us that you do several months ago. tactics like that certainly do not reinforce your position - unless, as you have said: insults ARE your position.

Look at O'reilly with the english lesson. Ever think that could have been a typo? I saw one of yours earlier "have at at." Did you mean "have at it?"

Sometimes it is hard for me to become upset with Liberals.

In their minds, Liberals have a VERY GOOD REASON for avoiding the truth at all cost.

Whenever truth is spoken, Liberals loose. Liberals know from past experience, they can not tell the truth, as it never works in their favor. This is why Liberals resort to lying about everything all the time, on every occasion.

lbh your references did not back up your claim that iran is developing a nuclear weapon.

still with the insults? aren't you a little old to have to stoop to that kind of nonsense? every time i have done it i have immediately felt like a fool.

Bluesky is falling

Bluebelly,

The whole point is to stop Iran before they develop a nuclear bomb. Kind of like what Clinton thought he'd done with sending
Madam Not-So-Bright to N. Korea. It was a hell of a photo op any how.

I'm so sorry for your feeling of foolishness. Why is it that liberals can dish it out but they just can't stand it when someone does it to them?

Here's a free tip: "It's the internet, don't take it personally"

The last thing I want is some liberal going Andrea Yates cuz of my sarcastic humor.

No worries Bluesky, I will go easy on ya from now on!

Come On ... Cindy !!! Put on your apron, move that cute little ass of yours, and bring your man your sweet, stinky, treat.

This is what Kathleens hate is bring us:

BREAKING NEWS:
Several people shot at Jewish Federation in Seattle

04:36 PM PDT on Friday, July 28, 2006

KING5.com

SEATTLE – At least two people have been shot at the Jewish Federation at 2031 Third Ave. in downtown Seattle. One or two people have been taken into custody but it's not known if they are suspects.

One person was reportedly shot in the abdomen and another, a woman, was shot in the arm. They are being taken to Harborview Medical Center.

The incident began around 4 p.m.

Part of Third Avenue and Second Avenue have been closed to traffic. Police are urging people to stay away from the area. It's not known if more suspects are at large but policemen were seen handcuffing one person and others were searching the area.

At least three people were seen emerging from the building, escorted by police. It's not known if they were hostages.

Medics, escorted by police, have been taking other people from the building. Police have kept other medics from entering the building. It's not known how many people are left in the building or if more people are injured.

More to come.

Hello friends,

I'm faced with moving a five bedroom house into a three bedroom in the month of August. Not happy.

Capt,

I think I've already mentioned that, at this point, I don't read alot except Wayne Madsen, where I get the real meat. No one seems to grasp that no, it was not Hezbollah that started this and yes, this is the enactment of a plan (Clean Break) that's been in the works for at least a year. The inevitable will happen, a U.S. attack on Iran and possibly Syria.

And Gerald,

Randi Rhodes did you proud yesterday. With a caller she discussed the coming bombing of Iran, the nukes, the probable "terrorist" event in the U.S. and the subsequent declaration of martial law and the cancellation of elections. I told my sister your theory that George just doesn't want to leave the White House. She laughed and then said, "that really isn't funny at all, is it?"

Don't let me mislead you all, I have not been on the blog for several days and haven't read. My son finally allowed me some time on the computer, but it's too hot. I'll catch up, but am starting to notice a depression creeping up as we watch what's happening.

I do want to emphasize that the Israel of today, the government, has joined the American neocons in their joint plan to make Lebanon a satellite.

Still, Europeans should not forget Israeli history. Europeans have a much greater degree of responsibility for anti-Semitism than they acknowledge. (Dreyfus trial et al.) A deep history. One must dial that into thoughts on Israeli insecurity and collective fears. This wasn't just Hitler's idea. It goes way back, across Europe.

On the other hand, Netanyahu seems to have taken over Israeli policy. This is never good. He's a nutcake and a neocon.

Also, one more thing, unfortunately, it appears that the U.N. observers who were killed had gathered evidence of Israeli atrocities. Thus, Annan's accusation that the act was deliberate.

Let me ask you LBH, are you Jewish? Or do you just like to take ornery sides here for the sheer payment of it? If Jewish I would understand, there are quite huge emotions here. But judging from your posts, I think not.

ICH, what is your angle on pointing out that there is no Palestine on the map? The sheer unfairness of it? Or what school Jeanne went to, that's real important.

Mind you, both questions are rhetorical. I don't care to correspond, not with silly arguments.

Back to more important things. Ignore please, friends.

Also, one more thing, unfortunately, it appears that the U.N. observers who were killed had gathered evidence of Israeli atrocities. Thus, Annan's accusation that the act was deliberate

Carey

Carey, sweety, you've been fed another lie.

The truth:

Hezbollah uses UN posts as shields
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?

OTTAWA - The words of a Canadian United Nations observer written just days before he was killed in an Israeli bombing of a UN post in Lebanon are evidence Hezbollah was using the post as a ''shield'' to fire rockets into Israel, says a former UN commander in Bosnia.

''What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the (Israeli Defence Forces),'' he said.

It's a tactic MacKenzie, who was the first UN commander in Sarajevo during the Bosnia civil war, said he's seen in past international missions: aside from UN posts, fighters would set up near hospitals, mosques and orphanages.

It's also one he would likely use if he was a ''belligerent'' and not a Canadian soldier, he said.

''The most important thing in combat these days, funnily enough, is not to win the firefight but to win the information battle and the PR battle,'' he said.

Carey, please don't fall for the lies, heres more truth:

UN observer: Hizbullah using us as shields
www.ynetnews.com ^ | (07.28.06, 02:48)

UN observer: Hizbullah using us as shields

Six days before he was killed by IDF fire, Canadian observer Major Paeta Hess-von Kruendener sent an email to his former commander at the Canadian army, in which he said that Hizbullah members were "running around in our positions" and using the post as a shield against Israeli attacks.

The soldier wrote that the IDF's strikes in the days before his death were "necessary" and made it clear that "this has not been deliberate targeting." The former commander, Major-General Lewis MacKenzie told of the letter in an interview to a Canadian radio show. (Ynet)

Carey,

Kofi was warned -the blood is on his hands:

Israel 'warned before UN attack'

| July 27, 2006 | From Reuters

correspondents in the United Nations

Israel 'warned before UN attack' From correspondents in the United Nations 27-07-2006

From: Reuters THE United Nations said today it asked Israel a dozen times to stop bombing near a UN post in Lebanon in the hours before an Israeli air attack destroyed the position killing four peacekeepers. UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan initially referred to yesterday's deadly Israeli strike as the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the Khiam UN observer post. But he softened his stance after talking with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who said he believed it was a mistake and would order an investigation."We await the...

I don't know if any of you have checked out some of these game blogs and how they talk to each other, but it seems like the cup runneth over to this blog. Besides the one's paid, there are others who burden us with juvenile posts of the kind that appears on these types of chat rooms. It's disgusting.

#68 Capt

To save you from having to look back, you refer to neoconmen thinking the Palestinians are occupying Israel.

So right on.

Neoconmen! And utter murderous thieves.

Let me ask you LBH, are you Jewish? Or do you just like to take ornery sides here for the sheer payment of it? If Jewish I would understand, there are quite huge emotions here. But judging from your posts, I think not.

Carey

Carey, thanks for asking. I am not Jewish. I have a niece who is Jewish and is in the Israeli army at this time on the front lines. I have no emotion in this other than the danger my niece is facing to defend her country.

I use common sense and an inside perspective along with first hand reports to form my opinion. I've also posted about the UN observers being used as targets. What I object to is the lies put forth by people who hate Israel. I would hope, you, of all people, wouldn't just repeat what's been force fed the left about this topic.

Oh, boy.

Utilities Pay Scientist Ally on Warming

WASHINGTON, July 27 ÔøΩ Coal-burning utilities are contributing money to one of the few remaining climate scientists openly critical of the broad consensus that fossil fuel emissions are intensifying global warming.

The utility, the Intermountain Rural Electric Association, based in Sedalia, Colo., has given Dr. Michaels $100,000 of its own, said Stanley R. Lewandowski Jr., its general manager. Mr. Lewandowski said that one company planned to give $50,000 and that a third planned to contribute to Dr. Michaels next year.

ÔøΩWe cannot allow the discussion to be monopolized by the alarmists,ÔøΩ Mr. Lewandowski wrote in a July 17 letter to 50 other utilities. He also called on other electric cooperatives to undertake a counterattack on ÔøΩalarmistÔøΩ scientists and specifically Al GoreÔøΩs movie ÔøΩAn Inconvenient Truth,ÔøΩ which lays much of the blame for global warming on heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide.

Carey, sweety, you've been fed another lie.
Posted by: LBH at July 28, 2006 08:09 PM

An endeering greeting to a close personal friend, or a condescending quip born of sexist attitudes?

#99 bluesky

Mind you, I've not been here for several days, but I have to ask, why, if they have husbands facing death in Iraq, would an attack on John Kerry, an ultimate vet, be appropriate? He is completely pro-military's needs, having been through it.

Kerry opposes war (at least in Vietnam, I'm not supporting him on his stance on Iraq) that is fought for no reason. That's what is so difficult to face. My husband cannot face it, he still believes Vietnam was worth fighting for (a vet). I actually understand where that comes from. You face extreme fear, you need your mind to go along with the idea that you are doing it for a transcendental reason.

One more thing, our soldiers were not allowed to "win" in Iraq. That's how my husband sees it and I completely understand. We didn't armor them. We didn't supply enough men. They weren't fighting for obtaining weapons of mass destruction afterall. Can you imagine how confused they all are?

Look at O'reilly with the english lesson.
Posted by: ICH at July 28, 2006 07:19 PM

to smart?
too smart?
two smart?

not too smart.

An endeering greeting to a close personal friend, or a condescending quip born of sexist attitudes?

O'Reilly

I happen to like Carey and think she is a sweety.

Are you jealous?

Don't fret, you can be my sweety too!

"You can pretend to be serious; you can't pretend to be witty." ~ Sacha Guitry (1885 - 1957)

I happen to like Carey and think she is a sweety.
Posted by: LBH at July 28, 2006 08:30 PM

I asked a direct question and you gave a direct answer. Thank you. No, not jealous.

Repugnant, but, COMPLETE TRUTH continues
Posted by: Stan at July 28, 2006 06:47 PM

The repugnant part I knew but the infallability claim is new.

Look at O'reilly with the english lesson.
Posted by: ICH at July 28, 2006 07:19 PM

to smart?
too smart?
two smart?

not too smart.

OReilly

O'Reilly, sweety, don't get so worked up. You take everything so personal. I'm worried about you sweety!

OReilly

Just kidding!!!

I hope you have a great weekend!

Later Cornnuts!

BUSHCO WILL NEVER EVER LEAVE THE WHITE HOUSE!
Posted by: Gerald at July 28, 2006 06:21 PM

Gerald. I assume you mean "W." If you do, I think the chance is less than 10% that what you predict will happen.

If you mean Jeb, however, I think the odds increase to about 15%.

I'm sure we both would prefer if I am right and you are wrong. If you are right, I'll buy you dinner.

If I don't see you, have a good weekend.
If I dont't see you, I will.
Just kidding!!!

"You can pretend to be serious; you can't pretend to be witty." ~ Sacha Guitry (1885 - 1957)

Capt

I beg to differ Obi One Konabi:

There once was troll named Capt
Who thinks Andrea Yates got a bad rap
He says DB's peer reviews are full of crap
but his quotes leave us wanting a nap
He likes to whine and cause a flap
But we all know he's just got the clap!

ButtHead Rules!!!!

Dude, this is some of my best wit yet! At least mine are original Dude! All you've got is some lame quotes from dead dudes! He he he!

254 continued

Twenty-one years later this most noble and beloved of modern philosophers died with his masterpiece, ``Ethics," unpublished and his eyes weakened by his painstaking job of grinding lenses. His pioneering and profound conceptions of religious tolerance and democratic government would influence another future refugee in Amsterdam, John Locke. And the rest is history. Even the greatest Jew of the 20th century (and a hero of mine), Albert Einstein, described himself as a disciple of Spinoza -- one who boldly pursued truth and justice.

As we witness another sad chapter in the Middle East -- the loss of precious human beings, the presence of deep hatred and revenge, and the absence of Socratic questioning and empathy for all -- the spirit of Spinoza haunts us.

Where are the courageous thinkers who ask the hard questions that shatter our simplistic and sentimental frameworks of pure Israeli heroes and impure Arab villains (or vice versa) in the conflict? Is it possible for Jews to reject the ugly Israeli subjugation of Palestinians, the plight of their prisoners in Israeli jails (especially the women and children), or the anti-Arab bigotry in Israeli society without being demonized a self-hating Jew?

Is it possible for Arabs to reject the pernicious rhetoric of pushing Israel into the sea, the barbaric practice of suicide bombers and the anti-Jewish bigotry in Arab communities without being demeaned a traitorous Arab? Have the wars of the blood-soaked region so coarsened consciences, hardened hearts, and closed minds such that the spirit of Spinoza is dead and buried?

295 Dude, this is some of my best wit yet!
Posted by: Butt Head at July 28, 2006 08:42 PM

No doubt.

#279 LBH

WARNED ABOUT WHAT????

QUIT WITH THE PEACEKEEPING AND OBSERVING OF ISRAELI ATROCITIES???

pleese!

This was deliberate, there is no doubt. The Israeli response was too little, too late. The Irish even tried to warn the Israelis. Six times.

This has completely upset my Jewish friends who are increasingly angered by something they don't understand. However, they still think Hezbollah started all this. No. Israel did. They crossed the border, knew they would have kidnappings as per the norm that's been established with multiple prisoner swaps, and set up four Israeli soldiers to run over a mined road they knew about. There was no Hezbollah attack. Get it. No Hezbollah attack. This was all planned. Lebanon is to become a satellite.

I'm sorry LBH, but you've been fed the lie. There was no known Hezbollah armory near for many weeks. Once yes, for about 6 months, no.

O'Reilly,

About your earlier comment to Karen, "well said", isn't she something? Excellent writer and thinker.

Micki,

Does this surprise you, funding the one scientist who has probably lost all contact with real scientists because of his sell-out? Peer-group review not a subject he's familiar with huh?

If I don't see you, have a good weekend.
If I dont't see you, I will.
Just kidding!!!

O'Reilly -good one!

“The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you.”

Humor is good for the soul!

296 continued

This spirit of Spinoza is not hard to define at the present moment. It requires security for Israelis, justice for Palestinians, and dignity for Lebanese. The colossal failure of Arab politicians to speak boldly and act courageously for these three aims is pathetic. Oil interests and fear of democratic reform at home cripple Arab political leadership -- and now threaten their legitimacy and stability.

Here in the United States, oil dependency and moral hypocrisy drive our policy. We rightly support the security of Israelis -- the world must never ever permit another Holocaust against Jews. Yet we wrongly talk and act as if the life of an Arab -- especially Palestinian or Lebanese -- has less value than that of an Israeli -- especially Jewish. Hence the low priority on the lives of those under the vicious Israeli occupation or on innocent Lebanese victims of Israeli bombs.

This moral hypocrisy yields a double standard regarding which UN resolutions we call to enforce -- no to those that condemn occupation like 242 and 338 and yes to those that call for disarming people who resist occupation like 1559. It also seems that American moral outrage focuses on precious Israelis more so than equally precious Palestinians or Lebanese.

Spinoza pleads for resurrection. Unlike his fellow Jew, Jesus, only we flesh-and-blood humans can resurrect Spinoza by our bold Socratic questioning and our genuine compassion for Jews and Arabs.

Cornel West is a professor of religion at Princeton University and author of ``Democracy Matters."

Humor is good for the soul!
Posted by: LBH at July 28, 2006 08:46 PM

AMEN

At least five people were shot - one fatally - this afternoon at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle by a man a witness said was upset about "what was going on in Israel."

Police spokesman Rich Pruitt said there was one shooter, who was apprehended without incident outside the Jewish Federation Building located on the corner of Third Avenue and Virginia Street. Pruitt said there were at least two victims on the third floor of the building.

Police got reports of shots fired shortly before 4 p.m.
map

Early reports were that the victims were shot in the stomach.

The alleged shooter was taken away in a patrol car after being handcuffed on the sidewalk outside the building. Pruitt could not immediately say what motive the alleged gunman had.

One witness, who declined to give her name, said a man walked into the Jewish Federation building with a gun, said he was upset about what was going on in Israel, then opened fire. After the shootings, the man said to call 911, the witness said. The witness said the man identified himself as an American Muslim.

No new thread since Thursday night. I wonder if Corn had another computer crash or decided to get away for a long weekend. Let's hope its the later or reason number three.

No, Carey, it doesn't surprise me at all. I am not that naive. Why do you ask? I'm afraid I don't get your point in asking.

I'm sorry LBH, but you've been fed the lie. There was no known Hezbollah armory near for many weeks. Once yes, for about 6 months, no.

Carey, please show me the proof and not a sound bite from Randi Rhodes.

Hezbollah is not supposed to even be in Lebanon according to the UN. So why does this matter? It wasn't the Lebanese army that kidnapped these boys it was an illegal terrorist orginization funded by Syria and Iran to start a war with Israel. Do you support Hezbollah? Do you side with terrorists?

The arguement about Israel starting this is lame and isn't even intellectually honest. Come on, I know you lean left but have you no commom sense on this at all?

Let's see how this works. . . extrapolating from the news story at post 302.

There are people who are like me and people who are not.

If any of the people who are not like me harms or kills people who are like me, I will shoot, or better yet stab in the ass, another person from the same background; race, religion, whatever.

That's street justice. It's a blunt tool but it satisfies revenge and that's all I really care about anyway. Me and mine.

If you do not want to be stabbed in the ass, make sure no one from your ethnic or racial background causes any harm to the people I consider 'like me.'

Far warning? I'm a white protestent man but I reserve the right to stab you in the ass if you harm any white people, I have a brother-in-law who is Chilaen so don't fuc% with anyone from South America or I will stab you in the ass, plus I have a brother-in-law who is Asian, so fuc% with those people or I will stab you in the ass.

O'Reilly, I don't think Arabs are anti-Jewish, they are anti-Zionist. Can you blame them? Why is it that the average American is unable to make the distinction? Are you not anti-neocon? I know I am, and I assume most of the Corn bloggers are too. The problem is not Jews, neither is it Muslims, but extremists. Just as we have a majority of peaceful Christians in the US, there are those hoping and praying for Armegeddon, they are extremists as well. I don't think the majority of religious folk think this way, but the minority have somehow gotten the upper hand. I just wonder, how did that happen? And why must so many peoploe suffer the awful consequences?

#304 Micki

Oh just making conversation. No point really. Just watched another documentary on Global Warming and read an article which I will post herewidth, and a little miffed about scientists who cop the title but sell out the soul.

O'Reilly

I love Spinoza. He's one of my favorite philosophers. I don't talk about philosophy much here because I don't sense enough interest. I could be wrong.

Spinoza and Schoepenaur started much good thinking. Then you get into the heavies like Hegel and Marx. I find I need help to understand those two.

There's a silly young child named Carey
His view of the truth is contrary
Knows not what to say
How to think or which way
He's psychotic ,He's ill, ALL BE WARY !!!

Mort Zuckerman reported tonight that at least ten phone calls were made by UN personnel to Israeli commanders during the course of the day as Israeli shelling got closer and closer to the UN peace keeping force positions.

Mort also reported that Hezbolah held positions within 100 feet of the UN locations.

The missles that killed the four UN peacekeepers were laser-guided munitions.

Kofi Annon is bullshit.

The prevailing attitude about the UN by Israeli citizens is overwhelmingly negative.

Ohlmet's poll numbers in Israel have doubled and are hgher than they have ever been before.

The Israeli cabinet decision to strike with anincursion followed by retreat and rearm indicates Israel is dissatisfied with the progress they've made disarming Hezbollah and are aware that the Isaraeli people will not tolerate a large number of armed casualties.

Condi has been laughed out of the middle east.

Our policy that we desperately want a cease-fire but not yet is incomprehensible.

Discuss amoong yourselves.

LBH, I thought the UN was inconsequential? Or is it only when they disagree with you and your neocon president? Make up your mind. The UN says Israel is in violation of 69 Security Council Resolutions, but that doesn't count. The neocons say Saddam violated 2 Security Council Resolutions, so the neocons say, and that was good enough to declare war. Israel invades and occupies the land of neighboring sovereign states, and that is okey dokey, but Kuwait is accused of slant drilling into Iraq for oil and the US says that is good enough reason to OK a war to oust the "invaders." Please, if you are going to invoke the UN, at least be consistant, otherwise, leave them out of it, it is a hypocritical double standard to do otherwise.

Carey. I was expsed to Spinoza but I wasn't ready for it. Maybe its time for me to dig out 'Ethics' again and maybe find a book about life in Amsterdam during that period.

bbl

Bravo again! You are just too Much!

There once was a poet called Much
Who commented on blogs and such
Those without humor the bears
Who became trapped in his snares
And for that I thank Much a bunch!

Okay, I know. I'm just a novice.

306
Far warning?

...........

I don't mind you impersonating me, the height of admiration an all, however,

LERN TWO SPEEL, PLEECE, ME DOUN'T WANT PEPEL TWO THINK I AM DUM AZ EU.

Ohlmet's poll numbers in Israel have doubled and are hgher than they have ever been before.

Now, where have I heard that before? What is it about war and bloodshed that raises the opinion of the peoples outlook on a war leader? Maybe not enough dead yet? Not enough misery and suffering? It seems that every murderous tyrant has had plenty of backing, citizens who are able to gloat over the innocent dead, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, etc. There will always be those who revel in murder and mayhem, it has always been so. I am reading a book about the civil war, it was no different then, it is the same now. The people who support murder will never change, there is nothing that can be done about that mindset.

The U.N. is a eunuch. All rhetoric, no action. I don't care what the subject matter is. They are a worthless body of blabbering idiots.

Carey a woman.

RedAlert,

I just read this article which reminded me of much of what I studied back in college on Zionism. It's original intent started with the Alfred Dreyfus trial at the turn of the century and the virulent anti-Semitism in much of Europe. It was violent and completely racist. Europe has a history of more extremem anti-Semitisim then the U.S.

However, things change. Neoconservative ideology has invaded Israeli thinking. One must also remember that Israel was founded with terrorist fighting on both sides. This is an ongoing battle.

But Kathleen makes the excellent point of the crimes committed in the name of "Israeli security". They are numerous and inhumane. Going into detail about them is not what is called for here. Knowing that this has gone way past Jewish/Arab conflicts is what's important.

I stand with Kathleen on the anger that Israel has caused me. We're looking at something more global here, which will invest the Israeli/neocon/Netanyahu ideology with support. I don't like that. I see unfairness. I see neocon takeover.

Kofi Annan is not bullshit. I disagree with the "intelligence" that Hezbollah had armory near. If so, it doesn't matter, does it?

Civilian peace-keepers killed because of a few rockets. I don't think so. The U.N.??!! Truly a monumental diplomatic error. But then, what respect has Israel ever shown the U.N.? This is a war crime.

i'm not a liberal lbh - and i can take it, i just find it childish and pointless to dish it out. that's why I at least feel foolish when i allow myself to stoop to that level -

The whole point is to stop Iran before they develop a nuclear bomb.

right. just like the mushroom cloud that we were assured would be our horrifying fate if iraq wasn't stopped.

ICH 314

Thanks, and your was not bad at all.

Here is another, hope you like it.

.....

There is a young girl named Kathleen
Her failings are easily seen
She can't tell the truth
Is quite often uncouth
And her wit, well it's not all that keen

bluesky out. any posts following this one using the name bluesky would be spoofs.

#302 Micki

Oh that's just awful! The emotions caused by this! (Seattle.)

LBH,

If you can quit with the insults for a minute...the information on where Hezbollah had armaments was through the Irish contingent of the U.N. Observers. Don't insult when you don't know, okay? It doesn't become you.

Now Micki, finally.

Here's the article on Global Warming that I want all the naysayers to actually (I said actually) read.

Global Warming--Signed, Sealed and Delivered

An Op-Ed article in the Wall Street Journal a month ago claimed that a published study affirming the existence of a scientific consensus on the reality of global warming had been refuted. This charge was repeated again last week in a hearing of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

I am the author of that study, which appeared two years ago in the journal Science and I'm here to tell you that the consensus stands. The argument put forward in the Wall Street Journal was based on an Internet posting; it has not appeared in a peer-reviewed journal--the normal way to challenge an academic finding. (The Wall Street Journal didn't even get my name right!)

Conclusion: None of this is to say that there are no uncertainties left--there are always uncertainties in any live science. Agreeing about the reality and causes of current global warming is not the same agreeing about what will happen in the future. There is continuing debate in the scientific community over the likely rate of future change: Not "whether" but "how much" and "how soon". And this is precisely why we need to act today; because the longer we wait, the worse the problem will become, and the harder it will be to solve.

Dr. David B.

Thanks for the weather report. It rained again here. (Unheard of 10 years ago.)

O'Reilly,

Is that you talking about Mort Zuckerman? You do know his interests, correct? I wouldn't trust what he says anytime, anyday. The truth is, we are pretty sure that Hezbollah armaments were not near the U.N. observers killed. And as I just said, it doesn't matter to me. Inhumane, nonattention to the primary diplomatic power, the U.N. and subsequent bombing of them after being warned repeatedly, is unquestionably a war crime.

#261 Gerald

Speaking of philosophy, (O'Reilly and me) Stan the man Musial was one of my greatest German philosophy teacher's heros. He subsequently wrote a book about Musial, an Austrian intellectual and people were constantly confused. It's a small world.

You're right about everything, I fear, Gerald.

One more thing LBH.

Hezbollah was democratically elected to official posts in Lebanon. How is it that they weren't supposed to be there? They provided protection from Israeli invasion and occupation, that's how they were viewed by Lebonese.

Is it like the Palestinians, who voted in Hamas?

Bush says, Palestinians aren't paying attention to the democratic process? I'm afraid it's Bush who isn't paying attention to the democratic process. Bush doesn't like the results of the democratic election?

It's not the damn U.S. Bush. You don't have complete control of the world yet.

You can't pick and choose who you want in a democratic election. Oh, I'm sorry you were appointed President in 2000. No wonder you don't understand.

When Cindy Sheehan moves onto her newly purchased 5 acre property in Crawford TX, do you think the first lady will join the welcome wagon?

If notihg else, Cindy Sheehan is persistent, persistent like a poece of gum stuck to the bottom of All Hat No Cattle's shoe. Does that description qualify her as a person of gumption?

If you wonder where I get my inspiration.
I read several of each of blogger's posts. I then try to write the poem to fit the individual's idiosyncrasy.

For you Carol, I feel most of your comments are dangerous. They remind me of my neighbor lady when she is drunk, which is how you usually seem when you enter the blog. I wrote this one especially for Carol.

You often see a post by Carol
Her thoughts put her over a barrel
She never thinks clear
It's like she's guzzling beer
Views like hers put our nation in peril

piece

#275 Carey, thank you for the information and it really is not funny.

#293 O'Reilly and to Carey (#275), Bush cannot leave the WH because once he leaves, he can be tried as a murderer and a war criminal in the USA. If he is not treid in the USA, he can be tried at the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Netherlands for murder and war crimes. I wish that I am not right but I honestly believe everything I say to you and to the other Cornposters. THERE WILL BE NO, I REPEAT NO, 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. Hitler Bush has not gone through all this trouble to leave quietly. The U.S. Supreme Court is stacked in his favor to also back up Hitler Bush and throw out the U.S. Constitution.

At some point prior to the 2008 election the CIA will carry out a covert terrorist attack inside the USA and Hitler Bush under the war powers acts of 1947 and 1949 will declare martial law and cancel the elections. You can bank on it!!!!!!!!!!

They remind me of my neighbor lady when she is drunk
Posted by: Much at July 28, 2006 10:27 PM

Nice neighborhood.

All this poetry. . . you're justtrying to charm your way into the hearts and minds of the regulars.

328 The best predicter of past behavior is future behavior.

You da man! Do you post anywhere else? Consider me a fan of da Much!

You ought to visit www.scrappleface.com. A satirical site by a conservative blogger and there is a poster on that site who posts as the Great Santini. The great santini writes parodies of songs poking fun of liberals. You would be a welcome addition.

#323 Carey, I wish that I am wrong about 2008 and the Democrats win the presidency and hopefully they will at least control the House. Rigged elections favor the Repugnants.

My wife was listening to Nancy Pelosi and she said that Nancy made sense. The repugnants make no sense. The Democratic fiscal plan is a winner but do we have real Americans and real patriots in the majority??? That is a big question mark. There is too much hatred in our country and hatred will destroy our country that is what I fear.

Another badly spelled word by Oreilly on his last two posts. "justtrying?" "predicter?"
When you stop correcting others, I will stop correcting you.

Carey, the St. Louis Cardinals were looking at me for a professional baseball contract in 1959. I was having too much fun in college playing baseball and so I decided to stay in college. I hurt my arm in my senior year and all dreams of a baseball career were gone forever.

WHO WANTS PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST???

Common people do, of course. Iraqis at markets, Jews in Haifa, Lebanese fleeing to the north. But amongst those in power, who wants peace?

Do Hamas and Hezbollah want peace with Israel? Hell no, they want to drive the Israelis into the sea!

Does Israel want peace with the Palestinians? Hell no, they want the West Bank..all of it!!

Does Al-Quieda want peace with anyone? Not that I can tell.

What about the various Sunni and Shia insurgency groups, do they want peace with the USA or each other? Hell no, they want to ethnically-cleanse areas of Iraq for themselves, preferably in areas with as much oil as possible.

Does the USA want peace in the Middle East? Of course not. We're in there bombing and raping like the rest. We touched off this most recent powder keg.

Well friends, we don't have peace because very few of the "powers that be" want peace. Most of them WANT war, so war we've got.

Bob in North Dakota

St. Louis was also looking at me in 1959. No wait, I wasn't born yet. Nevermind.

When you stop correcting others, I will stop correcting you.
Posted by: ICH at July 28, 2006 10:41 PM

Knock yourself out. It saves me the trouble of correcting them myself. I don't expect you to do it indefinitely. That would be two much to ask.

It wouldn't be proper if I didn't write something for David Corn.

A poem for David Corn.

The blog is owned by David Corn
He continually blows his own horn
He has Communist ties
He writes bullshit and lies
We must all give him nothing but scorn

David says: "If you believe Israel is justified in its current military campaign against Hezbollah, you have to acknowledge that it's okay for Israel to inflict collateral damage (that is, kill civilians)."

Come on, David, pointless! Ain't it? Were we justified to bomb Berlin, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo.....?

As for `collateral damage', bleeding Liberals are surely aware that Israelis air drop warning leaflets and phone Lebanese neighborhoods BEFORE many or most bombings!? How about giving Israel some credit for its high morality in conducting a tough war against pure evil? An evil that tactically operates from civilian and UN areas. How else to explain the fact that just hundreds of Lebanese have died vs. tens of thousands?

Does Hamas or Hezbollah suicide bombers give warnings after entering a crowded restaurant, bus or market before their 72-Virgin Date? Do their rocketeers warn Israeli cities before unleashing those rockets?

Next up, David's fair-and-balanced pipsqueak:
"(And, in a perfect world, he would blast Hezbollah for targeting civilians as well.)"

Let me add what you just couldn't bring yourself to publicly post: "...as well, but since the world isn't perfect, it is a shitload easier and less dangerous for Siniora to criticize the Israelis and the US than the morality-challenged but blood-thirsty Hezbollahs."

Well friends, we don't have peace because very few of the "powers that be" want peace. Most of them WANT war, so war we've got.
Posted by: Bob in North Dakota at July 28, 2006 10:45 PM

I think the Israeli cabinet meeting this week, and a subsequent change in Israeli military tactics, may signal a change in goals for the state of Israel. We'll see. I'm hopeful. I'll give it two weeks 8/10 and pray.

So you accuse others of mistakes when you make just as glaring a mistake as them? What good are you Oreilly? I don't have time to pick up your spell-droppings everytime you make a mistake. You should be the same toward others.

#338

I disagree with David politically, but give him at least this credit..he allows dissent to him and among posters to be posted. There are not a lot of sites on the web that allow this interaction.

331 ICH

Thank you,

www.scrappleface.com

I will check it out.

When you stop correcting others, I will stop correcting you.
Posted by: ICH at July 28, 2006 10:41 PM

I don't have time to pick up your spell-droppings everytime you make a mistake.
Posted by: ICH at July 28, 2006 10:57 PM

Either way is ok with me. What i'm saying . . . is that it's up to you.

Back to the beggining, I couldn't pass up calling attention to the expression 'to smart' when it was used to poke fun at some other person on this blog, that's all.

ICH,

You are correct.

I thought of that while I was writing, however, several of his latest articles irritated the heck out of me. Those several were the inspiration. I probably should have cooled down before writing David's poem.

Thanks for the constructive criticism, I will heed it.

You are most welcome, Much.

Oreilly, when you poke fun of others expect to be poked in return. That could have been a typo in as much as your errors might have been. Quit poking, you might put an eye out!

Not criticizing you Much. I enjoy your poetic style. David does allow a lot to go on here that would not even get past the moderator on other sites. Kudos for that. If it weren't for that, I would have never been privy to your unique prose!

Okay Oreilly #344, "beggining?" See why you should never poke?

LATE NIGHT TOPIC

Baruch Spinoza is now seen as having prepared the way for the 18th century Enlightenment, and as a founder of modern biblical criticism. Gilles Deleuze referred to Spinoza as "The absolute philosopher, whose Ethics is the foremost book on concepts".

The question is: How has the evolution of the conservative movement into authoritarianism effected our commitment to ethics and modern western ideals from The Enlightenment, which advocated rationality as a means to establishing an authoritative system of aesthetics, ethics, and logic?

For extra credit, write a funny limerick that pokes fun at some other blogger with whom you do not agree on matters of foriegn policy.

That could have been a typo in as much as your errors might have been.
Posted by: ICH at July 28, 2006 11:13 PM

Could have been? You wrote it. You know. Fess up.

But seriously, I understand. You want me to give you the benefit of the doubt. That's a reasonable request.

349 Carey, are you game? Gerald? How about you Pande? micki? Saladin? LBH, Capt? Alan? (I ask butt head but all he can say is "cornhole" and I find that vulgar) ICH, bluesky? RedAlert! Hajji? Spanky? Jeanne? David.

chirp chirp

Quit poking Oreilly. Gotcha again. At #349, it is "foreign" not "foriegn." Are you beginning to get the picture? Or should I say pitcher?

Much wrote it and you pounced on it. I am not much though I very much appreciate his prose. Will you answer for your misspellings? I think not. Coward!

I am not much
Posted by: ICH at July 28, 2006 11:36 PM

Cmon.

I had something to say, but wait! Let me go get another beer first!!!

ICH

I used the same inspiration, but came at it from a direction, Thanks to you.

On this blog owned by David Corn
Are his views and my nerves sure get worn
When I disagree
With what he thinks should be
I'm not usually still pissed in the morn

I am sure David would appreciate that more. There is a new thread. Already have been warned to tone it down. See you there.

#349 O'Reilly, this is one article that may help with your question. I save it. There were two or three articles that I did not save.

The Rise of the Religious Right

micki, may have some information? I call on her for some of my questions.

On Our Knees

From the article, "On Our Knees!"

"The top United Nations aid official today made an urgent appeal for a 'humanitarian truce' lasting at least three days between Israel and Hezbollah to allow children, the wounded and the elderly to escape the fighting and food, medicine and other emergency supplies to get through to the conflict zones." Unfortunately, our Christian President and his devout administration have damned those children to quick and slow deaths. Such simple humanity is deleted in the drive for absolute security, "Israeli Justice Minister Haim Ramon proclaimed that 'maximum firepower has to be used.' As justification, he cited the meeting in Rome, from which 'we have in effect obtained the authorization to continue our operations until Hisbullah is no longer present in southern Lebanon.'" We hear the deafening applause of our Christian brethern to this butchery and wonder we have so few priests in the Catholic Church.

Please read the above paragraph carefully!

Your Christian President

The hypocrites wanted to make Christianity the official USA religion with an amendment. What a joke!!! CHRISTIANITY IS DEAD IN NAZI AMERICA!!!!!

Nazi Americans have accepted and embraced bushianity as the country's official religion!!!!!

Nazi Americans have attached themselves to the eight pillars of faith that comprises the bushianity religion. These pillars are hatred, murders, torture, war crimes, corruption, decadence, greed, and lies.

It is time for bed. Let me leave you with these lyrics.

No Bravery