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June 26, 2006

Senate takes on Prewar WMD Controversy--Sort Of

From my "Capital Games" column at www.thenation.com....

Representative Walter Jones was out of place when he sat down at the dais in a committee room in the Dirksen Senate Office Building on Monday. He had come to participate in an unofficial hearing being held by the Senate Democratic Policy Committee. And Jones is neither a Senator nor a Democrat. He is a hawkish Republican from North Carolina. But he asked one of the most poignant questions of the afternoon.

Before him were a panel of veterans of the intelligence wars that had raged before the invasion of Iraq: retired Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff of Secretary of State Colin Powell; Paul Pillar, former national intelligence officer for the Near East and South Asia; Carl Ford, former assistant secretary of state for intelligence and research; and Wayne White, a former Iraq analyst at the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research.

Each man had offered an explanation of what had gone wrong with the prewar intelligence, and generally they excoriated the Bush administration. Wilkerson noted that "our national leaders had used intelligence in a careless manner and that there should be "some kind of accountability" for that. Pillar accused the Bush White House of having turned the "textbook model of intelligence-policy relations...upside down." He explained: "Instead of intelligence being used to inform policy, it was used primarily to justify a decision already made." Ford blasted the entire intelligence community for turning out lousy analysis. He maintained that "we" got the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's WMD "wrong because we aren't very good at analysis....Unfortunately it represents one of our better analytical efforts." And White said that policymakers--including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice--routinely "turned a blind eye to intelligence inconsistent with their Middle East agenda."

The witnesses went over many of the known horror stories of the prewar intelligence battles: the aluminum tubes cited by the White House as proof Saddam Hussein was developing nuclear weapons (which actually were for rocket launchers); the mobile biological weapons labs (which actually were for producing hydrogen for weather balloons); Saddam's alleged training of al Qaeda in biological and chemical weapons (which was sourced to an al Qaeda commander who recanted his story).

So after all this, Representative Jones, who had voted to grant Bush the authority to invade Iraq, had a question. He noted that "my heart has ached ever since I found out that the intelligence...was flawed and possibly manipulated." He said that he had written letters to relatives of every American soldier who has died in Iraq--8000 letters so far. "What perplexes me," he said, "is how in the world could [intelligence] professionals see what was happening and nobody speak out?"

It was an important question. Within the intelligence community, there were professionals who knew that critical parts of the Bush administration's case for war--which relied primarily on the argument that Saddam posed a direct WMD threat to the United States--had serious holes. Those who dissented internally did not go public--they worked within the system. But the system did not work. The White House made certain not to pay attention to any of the dissents, and it did not share the disputes with the voters. Why had the entire intelligence community allowed Bush and his aides to get away with this?

The panelists did not get a chance to respond to Jones, for he kept on talking--right over that query--and he segued to another subject, asking how it could be that the neoconservative hawks in the Bush administration gained so much power and had more influence than "you, the professionals."

Wilkerson fielded the question, first noting that as a Republican he was "embarrassed" that Jones was the only GOPer to attend the hearing (which was open to legislators of both parties). Then Wilkerson replied, "I'll answer you with three words: the vice president." That seemed to satisfy Jones. Neither he nor Wilkerson mentioned the two-word answer: the president.

The hearing--chaired by Senator Byron Dorgan--was the Senate Democrats' effort to examine an issue that the Republican-controlled Congress has so far ignored: how the White House handled and represented the prewar intelligence. The House and Senate intelligence committees did investigate the quality of the prewar intelligence and slammed the intelligence community for botching much of it. But they have not yet confronted how Bush officials characterized the intelligence and used it to promote a war. The Senate intelligence committee was supposed to probe this topic and release a report, but it has dragged its heels and watered down its investigation by tacking on an examination of statements made by Democrats about Iraq and WMDs going back to the early 1990s. The Republicans' obvious gotcha goal is to show that Democrats, just like Bush and his advisers, had, at various times, said that they believed that Iraq had WMDs. But no Democrat launched a war on such assertions.

The Bush administration overstated the overstated intelligence--on Iraq's WMDs and its supposed ties to al Qaeda. Yet every investigation to date has ducked the issue. The Senate Democrats cannot conduct a full-fledged investigation on their own. For instance, they could not compel administration officials to attend this hearing. They could not subpoena records. The most they could do is invite those willing to appear and make a point.

The points were sharply made. Wilkerson called Powell's now-infamous presentation to the UN Security Council--in which practically everything Powell asserted was wrong--"the lowest point of my professional life." Pillar noted that the intelligence community "never judged that there was anything close to an alliance" between Iraq and al Qaeda. Ford bemoaned that his own analysts at the State Department failed to persuade Powell not to use the aluminum tubes charge in his UN speech.

There were revealing moments at the event. But the press attendance was not great. After all, the session could be dismissed as not a real hearing. Only three Democratic senators were there for most of it (Dorgan, Jeff Bingaman, and Dianne Feinstein). And it is three years too late. The war happened. And now the White House and its allies dismiss talk of how the war started as unproductive given the present-day challenges. But as Wilkerson noted, accountability still awaits those who called it wrong--and those who misused the intelligence.

Posted by David Corn at June 26, 2006 06:29 PM

Comments

1

Hah! Jones didn't even allow the question to be answered. He didn't want the question answered.


They were muzzled by their bosses. It's a sad day when grown men and women can't speak up when misinformation is being spewed about.

Posted by: Joe at June 26, 2006 06:38 PM

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Sign the petition to save the internet! SAVE THE INTERNET. Sign it or be ignorant while slime bags in business suits peel away your internet luxuries and give this high bandwidth services to well-heeled big business that will benefit the most while small businesses like those that small-town republicans own & manage suffer. Factchecker - congratulations for supporting conservative causes that even hurt Republican businesspeople as well! Way to go, keep it up!

Posted by: Rob at June 26, 2006 06:50 PM

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June 26, 2006
ALBANY,New York(CNN)Irritant Bushborg LBH makes shit up, then attaches a CNN byline to his made up shit and then tries to pass it off as important news, again. LBH never attaches a link to these "stories" because he makes them up. Try googling "Scott Ritter arrested" and nothing comes up.

By Corky needs help with google

Corky, try this : "Scott Ritter arrested for soliciting youg girls"

9,730 hits-

Or, if that's too challenging, or you want a good laugh try this: "Scott Ritter masturbates"

363 hits-

Get a clue Corky and RS, Ritters a perv

Posted by: LBH at June 26, 2006 06:59 PM

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Mr. Corn,

The lack of accountability throughout this debacle has deeply threatened our democratic system. It is incumbent upon Democrats and Republicans to delve into the questions that have arisen from this misbegotten occupation.

Many Democratic strategist advise looking ahead. I agree, but that doesn't mean that we don't illuminate the grave mistakes and misguidances that have occurred during the Bush administration. The lies, as you have written about, should be zealously scrutinized to avoid the horrendous pitfalls that have resulted in over 2,500 American deaths and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis.

I strongly believe in the amnesty program put forth by Prime Minister Maliki. Most importantly to avoid further loss of life.

A thousand debts of graditude for all of your important work.

Posted by: Carey at June 26, 2006 07:02 PM

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"The facts are simple," Ritter said. "I was arrested in June of 2001. I was charged with a Class B misdemeanor and I stood before a judge in the town of Colonie in a public session with my wife by my side."

"The file was sealed. Those are the facts. I am ethically and legally bound not to discuss any aspect of this case," Ritter said. "So is everybody else involved. Unfortunately, there appear to be those who don't feel to be bound by rule of law."

Uhhh, an arrest is not equal to a conviction, the file was sealed....

By RS

How do you know he wasn't convicted if the file was sealed?

You and Ritter are pervs, RS!

Posted by: LBH at June 26, 2006 07:08 PM

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Good news Panty, it's not your fault. You can now blame your older brothers for being a liberal.

Study: Older Brothers Increase Chances Men Will Be Gay

Monday, June 26, 2006

WASHINGTON Ñ Having several older brothers increases the likelihood of a man being gay, a finding researchers say adds weight to the idea that there is a biological basis for sexual orientation.

Posted by: LBH at June 26, 2006 07:26 PM

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Are these congressional meetings taped so that the public can view what a bunch of crooks are running this country?

Posted by: What the F**k at June 26, 2006 07:29 PM

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Yea Scott is a perv. Therefore he discredited as a human being. Therfore his anti-war stance is discredited. Therefoe all anti-war people are pervs.

Take that you librul low life pervs.

after you.
no. after you.

;)

Posted by: Happy about GOP corruption at June 26, 2006 07:39 PM

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Mr. David Corn,

Great post!

I have an observation: IF Busheney were just dolts given poor or bad intelligence why has this WH not fired anybody? No heads have rolled?

They knew what they were doing and the information had little or nothing to do with what this WH KNEW they would do (take out Saddam no matter what).

Thanks for all of your work!

Kirk

Posted by: capt at June 26, 2006 07:42 PM

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#6 He seems a little obsessed with this topic, no? Just asking.

Posted by: Fitz at June 26, 2006 07:42 PM

11

203 from yesterday.

Panty wants Cornnuts to feel sorry for him, ah!


"Do us all a favor and stop responding to all the fake assertions these asses make.... As Den mentions, that's their job and your responses only feed the monsters."
Posted by Carey at June 24, 2006 02:07 PM

Ms. (Mr.?) Carey, Ay chihuahua, I just realized that Observer stole my line. Bottom line, I don't like seeing their lies go uncommented. I don't like seeing their talking points get to the point where truly intelligent, informed people like Ms. Saladin are repeating them. It's rather easy for me to do since I daily read reactionary blogs like Redstate and Instapendejo and peruse the rightwing Realclearpolitics.com. Often, I've read their cut & paste nonsense before they have.

29 of the almost 200 posts, here on this thread, are from Clueless. Maybe one is by Hapless. 8 are by Factless. Clueless's posts tend to be short, maybe the combined size of Factless' and Hapless' posts.

Hapless is so hapless with his dinky economic talking points that it gives me a chance to caricature him as a groundskeeper at Minutemaid Park (where the Houston Astros play). Which, by the way, hapless, is looking Maaaaahvelous. He mostly tries to cheerlead Clueless and tries to downplay the incompetence of the GOP.

Factless is a harmless cut & paster that can't think for himself. He's easy enough to dismiss with facts. He's a certifiable ignoramus; but he's amenable to facts and logic when fed to him in small bites.

Clueless is just a jangly bundle of nerves that responds pavlovian-style to the jibes that I inflict on him. I just toy with him because eventually he comes undone, starts sputtering incoherently (like he did @#46 & #66) and reverts to the knuckledragging pottymouth that he is deep down inside. He's admitted himself that Mr. Corn's warning to temper his language has him at a disadvantage.

There's also the matter of them all insulting the folks here. I cannot abide their intemperate posts; so I retaliate where others are unwilling (I guess they're thinking that it will just go away if they lay low). As you said yourself @ #57, when they go after your friends it makes you want to stop them.

I've been posting to this blog for almost 2 years now. It was one tim, then another, then a third tim (Capt and James used to call them DOT - Dept of Tim), then Chucky, then badlambs, then dblpat (heeey, dude, howzit?), then another tim that talked about eating hotdogs that he'd stuck up his bum, then Pagliacci (Antoine), then Mibu/Rita/Anita, then Bubblenose Bill, then baf (
who came back as lets be honest then shortened it to lbh), then Happy. [Happy, we had 3 tims on here at once, and none of them squealed as loudly as you have about somebody taking their nom de blog. Why are you such a whiny titty-baby?]

These ignoramuses have been here ever and anon. All of the sensitive ones have stomped off crying and screaming about me or James or Capt or Saladin or all of us ganging up on them. Not a single one that I recall ever went away of his or her own volition. The first time that one of them cut and ran (dblpat), I felt extremely guilty over it. I emailed Capt and James and a few others asking if I'd been too rough. I was assured that I shouldn't sweat it. So I don't.

I'm somewhat thick-skinned; so their idiotic ranting doesn't bother me in the least. It used to worry Mrs. Pandemoniac, given that I sometimes post on my breaks from work. I also once got a bunch of maps of Iraq with red circles all over them in my email (the one I use here, not the real one). I turned the info in to the FBI and moved on. This morning she and I were giggling over the whole "panty" thing.

I know it's unnerving to read the taunts and epithets from the right. And you may be right, perhaps they will just dry up and blow away if we ignore them. That just hasn't proven to be the case here on the Cornblog.

I appreciate you being honest and comfortable with saying "enough is enough." I would never hold it against you or any other Cornblogger if they disagreed with me. I just get the feeling that Mr. Corn would rather have the talking points and lies of the Bush administration exposed instead of ignored and left unchallenged.

_____________________________________________

I'm sure Mr Corn appreciated you using disgusting language about TRH's wife and kids.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Poor Panty!

Posted by: LBH at June 26, 2006 07:51 PM

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#6 He seems a little obsessed with this topic, no? Just asking.

By little Fitz

Are the the youngest also? There is a cure for liberalism, that's all. I'm here to help!

Posted by: LBH at June 26, 2006 07:53 PM

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Thank you for covering the unofficial hearing held by the Senate Democratic Policy Committee on Iraq prewar intelligence.

The leaders that took this nation to war based on lies and for reasons that still have not yet been clearly explained need to be held accountable.

Their right to make new policy should be curtailed until a reconcilliation in the US among its citizens has occurred. I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: O'Reilly at June 26, 2006 07:55 PM

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I felt extremely guilty over it. I emailed Capt and James and a few others asking if I'd been too rough. I was assured that I shouldn't sweat it. So I don't.

By Panty's confession of being a bully

You can dish it out but OMG you sure can't take it! Capt did you really approve of this? I thought you were above this!

Posted by: LBH at June 26, 2006 07:57 PM

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12 Sorry folks. Not just obsessed but extreemly sensitive.

How about those Yankees?

Posted by: Fitz at June 26, 2006 08:00 PM

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I'm the youngest brother...hmmm...

And all this time I thought it was the way mother dressed me in those little sailor outfits and had me dancing to Judy Garland albumn for all her "man-friends" I called "uncle"!

If Scott Ritter's a "perv", then why isn't he at the meetings?

The worst thing about moving, is having to register at the police station in every new town...sigh...
_________________

Seriously, had he been convicted of a sexual crime, he'd be pretty easy to find on an offender's list, no?


Posted by: Hajji at June 26, 2006 08:14 PM

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David Corn, misfeasance or malfeasance? Malfeasance.

Posted by: David B. Benson at June 26, 2006 08:36 PM

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Oh Brother?

I guess I am exempt. I have no brothers. My older sisters dressed me up as a girl with make-up and such (not recently). I both make and eat quiche.

Does that count for something?

capt

Posted by: capt at June 26, 2006 08:47 PM

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The Yankees suck. Up yours you friggun low life liberal.


after you.
no, after you.

;)

Posted by: Happy about GOP corruption at June 26, 2006 08:48 PM

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A call to investigate the 2004 election

WE'VE ALL heard the story. Nov. 2, 2004, was shaping up as a day of celebration for Democrats. The exit polls were predicting a victory for Senator John Kerry. Many Americans, including most political observers, sat down to watch the evening television coverage convinced that Kerry would be the next president.

But the counts that were being reported on TV bore little resemblance to the exit poll projections. In key state after state, tallies differed significantly from the projections. In every case, that shift favored President George W. Bush. Nationwide, exit polls projected a 51 to 48 percent Kerry victory, the mirror image of Bush's 51 to 48 percent win. But the exit poll discrepancy is not the only cause for concern.

In Ohio, Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, the Ohio co-chairman of the 2004 Bush/Cheney Campaign, borrowed a chapter from Secretary of State Katharine Harris's Florida 2000 playbook. Like Harris, he used the power of his office to affect turnout and thwart voters in heavily Democratic areas. Vote suppression and electoral irregularities in Ohio have been documented, first in January 2005 by Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee, and in June 2005 by the Democratic National Committee, which found, in the words of DNC Chairman Howard Dean: ``More than a quarter of all Ohio voters reported problems with their voting experience."

More HERE

*****end of clip*****

I wish people would have been as concerned about the validity of the outcome of the past elections. The outcome of the next election(s) are a given. They will be swept up by Diebold, ES&S and other corporate interests.

We have the wolves guarding the hen-house, you can expect some chickens will go missing.

"Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner." ~ James Bovard

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" ~ Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790), 1759

capt

Posted by: capt at June 26, 2006 08:58 PM

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Molly Ivins in Truthdig:

Molly Ivins: An Epic Weeking of 'Cut and Run',/a>

Excellent piece.

Posted by: Carey at June 26, 2006 09:01 PM

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Easy does it Happy. "How about those Yankees" is just an expression that means 'let's talk about something else.'

First, LBH goes off about pervs and gays and now you go off about the Yankees. Is this exploding head day? I didn't get the memo.

Posted by: Happy about GOP corruption at June 26, 2006 09:05 PM

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#20 Capt

We must conduct a letter writing campaign to the DNC, former Presidents Carter & Clinton and others. I know I am. We have to have more moniters, more rampant exit polling etc. It seems to be the only hope.

By the way, I understand congratulations are in order for New Mexico. The first state to be awarded a new nuclear plant license in 30 years (previous thread). You must be so proud.

Posted by: Carey at June 26, 2006 09:08 PM

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the ha report: because people still want to say ha.
today's ha report is short and sweet:

there are only 2,430 google hits for LBH masturbates. ha.

todays ha report has been brought to you by 7enga, makers of the game "WTC Building 7enga"
how high is too high? find out when the tower falls!
(some reassembly required)

Posted by: spy on this! at June 26, 2006 09:11 PM

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Carey,

The new permit is nothing - they drive truckloads of waste from other states reactors through our most populated areas headed for the "WIPP."

http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/EMNRD/Wipp/

There will be many lawsuits trying to stop a reactor.


capt

Posted by: capt at June 26, 2006 09:16 PM

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I got 21,700 Hits on Google for 'LBH masturbates'

Posted by: O'Reilly at June 26, 2006 09:25 PM

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"A Native American grandfather was talking to his grandson about how he felt. He said, "I feel as if I have two wolves fighting in my heart. One wolf is the vengeful, angry, violent one. The other wolf is the loving, compassionate one. The grandson asked him, Which wolf will win the fight in your heart? The grandfather answered, The one I feed."

~ Anonymous, As told in Women Who Run With the Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estes

Posted by: capt at June 26, 2006 09:30 PM

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The Way of All Flesh

For the unmarried dead and the burning adolescent, one poster to The Marriage Bed suggests, "You can glorify Him with your sexuality by pure masturbation." It must be practiced for relief or biological clarity, not pleasure, and must be unaccompanied by lustful thoughts. Still, this is progress, even progressive. Recall that Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders was fired by Bill Clinton and described as "a sort of off-to-the-left, out-of-the-mainstream, embarrassing person" by abcÕs Cokie Roberts for saying in 1994 that masturbation was a reasonable subject for discussion in public school sex education. Twenty months later Clinton signed the welfare reform act, with a subsection that narrowed the range of discussable sexual subjects in federally funded schools to the propositions that "a mutually faithful monogamous relationship in the context of marriage is the expected standard of sexual activity," that "sexual activity outside the context of marriage is likely to have harmful psychological and physical side effects," that the only thing students need know about condoms and birth control is their failure rate, and that, given all the above, queer kids may proceed straight to hell.

Ten years and $1 billion later, this is the only national sex education policy in Amer­ica. Research on its effectiveness is scarce, but not a single peer-reviewed study shows abstinence-only training has any impact on the age at which teenagers renounce their virginity. The highest expression of the abstinence ideology, however, the "virginity pledge," has been uttered by 2.5 million teens, and its numerology insults it: 88 percent of virginity pledgers have sex before marriage; on average they have it 18 months later than non-pledgers but are more likely to have unprotected sex and less likely to seek treatment for sexually transmitted diseases; 9 million stds occur each year among teens and young adults, and rates among those whoÕve vowed to "Just Say No" are comparable with rates among others. Religious teens are less likely to have sex before theyÕre 18, but this particular survey defined "sex" the way Bill Clinton does, as "heterosexual vaginal intercourse."

Across the country only 14 percent of school districts provide comprehensive sex education, but that too is constrained. Compared with teenagers in almost every other developed country, American teens have more religion, more partners, shorter relationships, less contraceptive use, more infections, more abortions, more babies.


More HERE

*****end of clip*****

More on the subject.


capt

Posted by: capt at June 26, 2006 09:43 PM

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Republican congressional hopeful John Jacob believes the devil is impeding his efforts to unseat five-term Rep. Chris Cannon.

Congressional Hopeful Blames Troubles on the Devil

Posted by: spy on this! at June 26, 2006 10:02 PM

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BYU Prof. S. Jones has now tested steel samples from two different WTC sites that both clearly show the use of thermate as a tool of implosion and the analysis has been verified by two other universities.

Posted by: spy on this! at June 26, 2006 10:15 PM

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Pre Iraq War Intelligence
Senate Democratic Policy Committee
C-SPAN 3 VIDEO

Posted by: Fitz at June 26, 2006 10:56 PM

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"Those who dissented internally did not go public"........Joe Wilson did.

Posted by: Steve at June 26, 2006 11:09 PM

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Rep Walter Jones is one of the few Republicans I respect. He is honest about how he feels about the war. I don't think he intentionally ran over the speakers who were trying to answer his question. I think he's frustrated. I think he knew the answer. I think we all do. Cheney spent a lot of time walking the halls of the CIA. He outed a CIA agent. His group as been firing generals. They have been throwing people like James Yee in jail. Look at Richard Clark. Look at Sibel Edmonds. Look at Cindy Sheehan. The cheney mob had an agenda. You get in the way they run you over.

I hope the Republicans are kicked in the rear this November.

Posted by: Jeanne at June 26, 2006 11:34 PM

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Joe Wilson is my hero.

Posted by: Jeanne at June 26, 2006 11:35 PM

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As an aside, my husband read James Yee's book 'For God and Country'. He said it was really good. Really disturbing.

Here's an article on it.

An American in chains

...I was accused of mutiny and sedition, aiding the enemy and espionage, all of which carried the death penalty. I was regarded as a traitor to the army and my country. This was all blatantly untrue Ñ as would be proved when, after a long fight, all the charges against me were dropped and I won an honourable discharge from the army.

I knew why I had been arrested: it was because I am a Muslim. I was just the latest victim of the hostility born the moment when the planes flew into the twin towers and the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

My real Ò£rimeÓ had been that I had tried to ensure that the suspected Taliban and Al-Qaeda fighters detained in the Gitmo cages were given every opportunity to practise their religion freely, one of the most fundamental of American ideals.

I had monitored the atrocious treatment meted out by the guards. And I had come to suspect that my appointment as the prisonersÕ chaplain was simply a piece of political theatre.

Posted by: Jeanne at June 26, 2006 11:43 PM

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Jeanne,

Joe Wilson is a PERV...

Oh, sorry, that's somebody ELSE's line!

-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 26, 2006 11:51 PM

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David,
I believe you left out a quote.

"Don't settle for the crap we usually give you." said former Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research Carl Ford. He doesn't believe the policy makers demand high enough standards. I think the policy makers are too busy picking our pockets. That doesn't leave a lot of time to monitor people in charge of pre war intelligence.

Posted by: Jeanne at June 26, 2006 11:53 PM

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Snowjob is at it again.

VIDEO: Snow Lashes Out at Media, Suggests NYT Has Undermined Americans-"Right to Live"

President Bush today called the New York Times story revealing the administration's monitoring of bank records "Disgraceful," and said the decision to publish details of the program "Does great harm to the United States of America."
Press Secretary Tony Snow followed up with another attack at today's press briefing:

T]he New York Times and other news organizations ought to think long and hard about whether a public's right to know in some cases might override somebody's right to live, and whether in fact the publications of these could place in jeopardy the safety of fellow Americans.
--------------------
But cutting back on the Homeland security aid for New York is ok.

Posted by: Jeanne at June 27, 2006 12:03 AM

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Perv's are my favorte people. Less pretense and more fun!


HA!

capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 12:03 AM

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I know you've all read about it already but I can't stop laughing at the idea of Oxycontin boy getting "detained" for possessing controlled substances without a prescription. The drug? Read Billmon, his post is called "Keeping it UP." It is too freekin funny to believe.

WAnna watch a Rightwing Dingbat's head explode? Check this guy out [via crooks and liars].

What happens to a dead cat after it bounces? It goes back down. Mr. Bush's on a roll! [roling downhill....]

Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 27, 2006 12:06 AM

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Katrina fraud estimated at $2 billion

According to the New York Times, Hurrican Katrina has "produced one of the most extraordinary displays of scams, schemes and stupefying bureaucratic bungles in modern history, costing taxpayers up to $2 billion," RAW STORY has learned.

...The degree of fraud is creating amazement even in Washington, DC. Senator Susan Collins is quoted as saying, "The blatant fraud, the audacity of the schemes, the scale of the waste -- it is just breathtaking,"

...The most disturbing cases are those which involve government officials accused of orchestrating elaborate scams involving bribes and extortion in connection with debris removal, provisions for relief workers, and unemployment benefits. Even a program set up by the American Red Cross resulted in an extraordinary level of waste and abuse.
-----------------
I expected this and the audacity still floors me. Everybody was watching. The media was going to report on it and they still scammed the American public.
This goes back to the leadership in the country. Bush doesn't care if fraud is committed and therefore the people in charge don't. In fact many of the people in charge are thrilled that Bush doesn't care.

Posted by: Jeanne at June 27, 2006 12:14 AM

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Pande,

All new "news" to me and very good stuff!


As Always!

capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 12:19 AM

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cause of the D.C. flooding, bush attended all his meetings wearing floaties... plus he got around from location to location on the presidential boogie board "Cowabunga One".

*from Jimmy Kimmel

Posted by: Alan at June 27, 2006 12:20 AM

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"Ms. Pantywaist,
If we are going to be into infantile name-calling, let me be the best, as always."

That's, um, a little old. I've heard that one at least a dozen times. Stale. I've seen rocks put forth greater effort.

"You are giving a lot of conflicting opinion."

Both the FISA court and the Ashcroft DOJ both said the wall was built in the 80's, both said Gorelick's memo provided for a way to get information over that wall, both said the Thompson in the Ashcroft DOJ built the wall higher. What is conflicting about that?

"What I gave were attributed quotes from all the people involved."

All of those opinions are contrdicted by facts presented by the courts, facts presented by the Dept of Justice and facts accepted by the 9-11 Commission. If you prefer to rely on opinions rather than fact (especially when presented by a second rate assistant prof from some two-bit Jr. College), that explains a great deal about you insistence on remaining "Factless."

"I also just re-read the memo."

Which part of the memo refutes the fact that the wall was set up in the 80s? Which part of the memo refutes the fact that the memo set up a procedure to get intel over the wall? Which part of the memo refutes the fact that the Thompson memo made the wall higher?

"The restrictions are breathtaking."
Posted by: factchecker at June 26, 2006 09:26 AM

list them.

Have you learned how to link yet?

Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 27, 2006 12:20 AM

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"Bush doesn't care if fraud is committed"


To the contrary, Bush cares about the fraud and wants to make certain nobody but cronies and sychophants get to commit the fraud.

capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 12:22 AM

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Bernie Ward is my hero.

Posted by: Jeanne at June 27, 2006 12:24 AM

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Bernie Ward is a PERV-

Sorry...I keep reading the wrong cue-card!

-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 12:27 AM

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Pande,

I'm thinkin' FatChunker done checked out...but will it EVER LEAVE?


-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 12:42 AM

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#47
On that note....I bid you good night.
Hmmmm, If Bernie is a PERV, I wonder what Rush is?

Posted by: Jeanne at June 27, 2006 12:43 AM

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LBH is my hero.

after you.
no, after you.

:)

Posted by: Happy about GOP corruption at June 27, 2006 12:55 AM

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A letter ACTUALLY Published in the NYT

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It's an unusual and powerful thing, this freedom that our founders gave to the press. Who are the editors of The New York Times (or the Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post and other publications that also ran the banking story) to disregard the wishes of the President and his appointees? And yet the people who invented this country saw an aggressive, independent press as a protective measure against the abuse of power in a democracy, and an essential ingredient for self-government. They rejected the idea that it is wise, or patriotic, to always take the President at his word, or to surrender to the government important decisions about what to publish.
__________________

NYT has a looooonnnnnnng way to go, to make up for its amplification of the drumbeat that marched this nation into the illegal, immoral and unfounded invasion and OCCUPATION of Iraq.

But I am glad to see that all the PRESSure (pun, obviously intended) after the year-long supPRESSion of the Warrantless Wiretapping story might have actually caused 'em to at least demand their pimp-wages up front before dropping their NY-knickers for the Dick-driven misAdministration....

Oh, never mind! (is it getting HOT in here?)

G'nite! (really)

-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 12:58 AM

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Another periodic warning to posters: refrain from name-calling or you will be banned. I try to let the comments section flow on its own. But I'm getting tired of the nastiness. It is very easy to ban folks and perhaps I should be more active in that regard. Yet please don't take this as a dare.

Posted by: David Corn at June 27, 2006 01:00 AM

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David Corn is MY hero!

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 01:08 AM

54

e cycle electric and hybrid motorcycles

Posted by: spy on this! at June 27, 2006 01:12 AM

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Any TRADEMARK-infringement lawyers wanna help me out with this one?
I'm thinkin' somebody owes me a couple bucks 'r sumthing, at least!
_________________

Soldiers who use the Hajjinet are reponsible for running the lines from the center of the compound out to their own buildings, which means that when someone is lazy and doesn't bury their own cable, a tank is likely to roll by and sever the connection. There's definitely a hold-your-tongue-right air of superstition around the whole operation...
_________________

A T-shirt at least?!!!

-T


Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 01:23 AM

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Clueless' top 5 lies and most idiotic statements. (yes, it's hard to pick the whoppers from his pile of nonsense -- sorta like trying to find the biggest crook in the Grand Ol' Spending Party, DeLay? Claude Allen? Ney? Pombo? Harris? Cunningham? Burns? Noe? Reed? Norquist? Abromoff?)

"Scott Ritter is a pervert that admitted to soliciting 13 year old girls on the internet."
Posted by: Clueless at June 26, 2006 01:53 PM

No. He admitted that he had been arrested. Does the fact that Claude Allen was arrested mean that he's admitted to being a thief? You need to bo back to watching your scooby doo reruns. They catch the bad guy, they arrest him, then?

Right.

Clueless is such a practiced liar that he doesn't realize that he'll be called on his bullshit.

from the part of the article that Clueless didn't copy and paste:
The judge made his determination. The case was dismissed." Ritter's case received an "adjournment in contemplation of dismissal," or ACOD, Ritter and the source said. That meant the case was adjourned for six months; if the defendant stayed out of trouble in that time, the charge was to be dismissed and the record sealed.

"An ACOD means that it's expunged from the record, as if it never happened," Ritter told CNN affiliate WRGB-TV in Albany

"he'll start crying to David to come save him if you make him look too bad!"
Posted by: Clueless at June 26, 2006 04:31 PM

A classic case of projection from someone who has spent most of his time banging his head on the keyboard whining about Mr. Corn forcing him to keep his profanity in check. Once I start making you look like a dingbat, you begin to sputter and curse. When you start getting punked, you wail for Mr. Corn. I on the other hand only call on Mr. Corn to keep your pathetic wheezing nearby. Classic projection on your part. Beautiful

After having the facts of the case pointed out to him, we get more lies and more of the knuckledragging buffoonery:
"How do you know he wasn't convicted if the file was sealed?"
"You and Ritter are pervs, RS!"
Posted by: Clueless at June 26, 2006 07:08 PM

Clueless can't make up his mind. He can't prove that Ritter was found guilty so he makes an argument from what logicians call invincible ignorance. The fact that Clueless lives his life in a perpetual state of invincible ignorance is beyond all doubt. Taking a brainless swipe at Robert for pointing out the facts of the case is the topping.

In another textbook case of what psychologists call projection, Clueless notes:
"Study: Older Brothers Increase Chances Men Will Be Gay"
Posted by: Clueless at June 26, 2006 07:26 PM

Ken Melman, Andy Sullivan and the entire troop of Log Cabin Republicans rejoice at the news. The rest of the world snickers at Clueless' pride in his own snotbubbles.

"I'm sure Mr Corn appreciated you using disgusting language about TRH's wife and kids."
Posted by: Clueless at June 26, 2006 07:51 PM

What disgusting language? Keep trying Clueless. With the departure of Hapless, I know that the conservative voice gets lost in the din of the blog. But I don't know how much longer Mr. Corn will be willing to listen to my constant defense of your grade school cheesiness.

A little soccer question for Mr. Corn on the fouls committed here. Will we be given a yellow card warning before the red card ejection? Our dear friends on the right have recieved multiple yellow cards and no red card. Will we be accorded the same privilege or will the ax come without warning to those of us on the left?

Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 27, 2006 01:25 AM

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bo back? go back.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 27, 2006 01:26 AM

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David,

Does the name-calling restriction apply to Public Figures or is it limited to fellow posters?

If I can't say "Bunnypants" of "Dead-Eye Dick" or CondiLIESt'ya, I might as well stop paying these absurd dial-up fees!

Seriously...thanx for the forum...the topic...the threads that weave the most interesting cloth!

-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 01:28 AM

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#52: Mr. Corn, I would applaud such a manuever. I have grown quite weary of the Children's Hour, which is why I spend more time on other blogs now. I haven't been seeing some other names I used to see often on this blog, including some of the conservatives, and I wonder how many of us got tired of the schoolyard flavor of some of the discussions.

On break at the NaCl mine, Kid Charlemagne

Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 27, 2006 01:33 AM

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KC is MY hero!

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 01:36 AM

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I know that the conservative voice gets lost in the din of the blog.

the conservative voice even gets lost in the din of the republican party.

Posted by: spy on this! at June 27, 2006 01:37 AM

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On another topic, I can hardly wait for Stephanie Miller's show this morning--they should have a field day with Rash Limburger's arrest! (Hajji, I feel reasonably sure Mr. C means we shouldn't call other Cornnuts--I don't consider "Cornnut" an insult--names. Public figures are fair game.)---KC

Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 27, 2006 01:40 AM

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"...how many of us got tired of the schoolyard flavor of some of the discussions."

mmmmmm...SCHOOLyard flavored!

-HJS


Posted by: Homer at June 27, 2006 01:40 AM

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KC...howzabout "Pet Names"? I know Capt likes it when I call him "Honeypot"!

-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 01:42 AM

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#61: SoT is right. At 43, I'm old enough to remember when Republicans were the party of fiscal responsibility and low-to-no deficits. I've even read that there was a time when GOPhers distrusted Brobdingnagian budget deficits AND messianic foreign policies. A good place to find REAL conservatives, along with a smattering of us liberal folks, is antiwar.com.--KC

Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 27, 2006 01:46 AM

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#64---ARRRGGHHH! MUST--pry IMAGE--from---HEAD!!!!--KC and the Moonshine Band of Shatner Impersonators

Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 27, 2006 01:50 AM

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Good night for now, all. The sodium chloride won't mine itself, y'know.---KC

Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 27, 2006 01:53 AM

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didn't nixon start the foodstamp program?
what are republicans doing now?

REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP OBSESSED WITH PRESIDENT's ASS!

Posted by: spy on this! at June 27, 2006 01:54 AM

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John Cuzak talks about When the Coffins Come Home in his new movie "Grace is Gone"...
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Pentagon policy bans media coverage of America's war dead as their remains are returned. The Bush administration has strongly enforced the ban, something Cusack describes as "one of the most shameful, disgraceful, cowardly political acts that I've seen in my lifetime."

So the actor started looking for a project that would illustrate "what happens when the coffins come home."

The result is "Grace Is Gone," a small, independent film in which Cusack plays a man whose wife, Grace, is killed in service in Iraq. Filming wrapped last month; the movie's producers Ñ who include Cusack Ñ will be looking for a distributor or film festival opportunities.
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One of the questions is how Hollyweird will treat THIS debacle.

How long after WWII before "The Sands of Iwo Jima" gave way to "The Dirty Dozen"...then how long before "Saving Private Ryan"?

How long did it take after Korea (a war that has NEVER ended) before the movie "M*A*S*H"?

How long after Vietnam before "The Green Beret" gave way to "The Deer Hunter", "Coming Home", "The Boys in Company C", "Platoon" and "Apocalypse Now"?

How long THIS time? How long?

-T


Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 01:55 AM

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KC,

Goodnight! Stay safe from the "Boogie Man!"

I'm your boogie man, that's what I am.
I'm here to do whatever I can.
Be it early morning, late afternoon
Or at midnight. It's never too soon
To want to please you,
To want to keep you
To want to do it all, all for you
I want to be your, be your rubber ball.
I want to be the boy you love most of all.
I'm your boogie man, I'm your boogie man.
Turn me on!
I'm your boogie man, I'm your boogie man.
I'll do what you want.
I'm your boogie man, that's what I am.
I'm here to do whatever i can.
Be it early morning, late afternoon.
Or at midnight. it's never too soon
To want to take you, to want to hold you.
I want to give my all, all to you.
And I want you to completely understand.
Wherever I'm at, wherever I am,
I'm your boogie man, I'm your boogie man.
Turn me on!
I'm your boogie man, I'm your boogie man.
I'll do what you want.

-KC and the Charlashine Band
________________
Sweet Dreams...if you DARE!

-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 01:59 AM

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Mmmmmm

Honey-pot - two of this bears favorite things!

capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 02:01 AM

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Is it me or is it getting a little too...uhm...y'know...kinda creepy in here?

-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 02:05 AM

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Got another hour before my 42nd Natal Anniversary is over on the LEFT coast, so y'all still have a little shopping time! Nothing extravagant, mind you, just a 'lil sumpthin' to let me know you care!

The dogs and the hooved ones got me a new SHOP VAC! (I get the hint...time to clean the goat's tree-house)

I also got a call from Spc Spanky! (SGT Spanky, as soon as the paperwork goes through!) Unfortunately I was in a Horspital Dept-Director-Level Scream-fest at the time, so I only got a "Happy B-Day from Tal-Afar" message. I hope that I (and nobody else) has to get anything like that for much longer.

One of our ER housekeepers made me a ring from a dollar bill. I'm not sure if it is a dowry or a retainer, but I'll cherish it always.

I also recieved a shirt with South Carolina's Crescent Moon and Palmetto logo on it. (doesn't this just REEK of "southern socialistic state"?)

Yesterday, I way Forty-One-derful. Today I'm just Forty-Two-Friggin' old!

Now really...G'nite! (and this time I MEAN it!

-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 02:17 AM

Posted by: spy on this! at June 27, 2006 02:18 AM

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Thanks for the buddahs, Spy, but while I've got the physique, I lack the serenity!

-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 02:21 AM

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Mr. David Corn,


My sincere apologies for any transgression I may have perpetrated in the past.

The name calling has gotten WAY out-of-hand. The personal attacks and unnecessary crud have polluted what little political discourse we have had lately.

"Another periodic warning to posters: refrain from name-calling or you will be banned. I try to let the comments section flow on its own. But I'm getting tired of the nastiness. It is very easy to ban folks and perhaps I should be more active in that regard. Yet please don't take this as a dare."

(I thought is was worth repeating)

I, for one, have nearly stopped posting during the daytime hours because of the foul mouthed jerks that seem to dominate with too many meaningless diatribes.

I do hope you will use the power to kick some of these jerks to the curb. They detract and never actually contribute. They belittle, lie, make up stuff while admitting they have never read your book or your posts? WTF? Why allow such disrespectful uninformed posters to take over YOUR blog?

(well that is my take)

I have reflected on why I came here and continue to come here. You were one of the first and only authors that called the liar in the WH on his lies. I remember how much I enjoyed reading what you wrote (still do) and how excited I was to find your forum.

We have had some posters try to divert the regulars from here to other blogs. How sad it that? Like YOUR blog is some second class bulletin board that has nothing to offer except a forum for trolls?

I will be here. Eager to read all that you write and gain information from you that you share from your contacts and learn from your unique perspective and point of view. I may not always agree 100% but I always come away with more than I brought.

Thanks again for all of your work and the open forum. There is no reason for anybody to post offensive and childish crud. You are better than that and so is YOUR blog.


Kirk

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 02:22 AM

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"...Yesterday, I way Forty-One-derful."

I STILL weigh WAY too MUCH!

-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 02:24 AM

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Capt,

Well said, honeypot!

G'nite!

-T

Posted by: Hajji at June 27, 2006 02:25 AM

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cthulhu for president
why settle for the lesser of two evils?

Posted by: spy on this! at June 27, 2006 02:37 AM

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Pro-War "Vets For Freedom" Tied to Bush's PR Team

Citizen journalists on SourceWatch have been investigating and exposing the many Republican connections and the partisan pro-war political agenda behind Vets for Freedom, a new organization with mysterious funding and a flashy website designed by Campaign Solutions, part of the Donatelli Group. Vets for Freedom's hollow claim of "non-partisanship" took another blow Sunday, June 25, when the Buffalo News published a front page story by Jerry Zremski, their Washington correspondent, linking Vets for Freedom to the Bush White House.

Describing Vets for Freedom as a "pro-war group with deep Republican ties," the Buffalo News revealed that Taylor Gross, who until last year worked as a spokesman for President Bush under White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, is conducting PR work for Veterans for Freedom. Gross attempted to convince the Buffalo News and other papers that two decorated military veterans with the group, Wade Zirkle and David Bellavia, could report cheaply for the newspapers from Iraq while embedded with the US military.

While pitching Zirkle and Bellavia to the Buffalo News and other papers as "balanced and credible" reporters, Taylor Gross neglected to identify himself as a Republican operative who had done PR work in the White House press office until just last year. Gross left his White House job to form the Republican public relations firm the Herald Group with his political cohorts Matt Well and Doug McGinn.

The revelations in the Buffalo News of Vets for Freedom's ties to the Bush public relations team come just days after the The New York Times reported that Republicans are strongly embracing the Bush Administration's war in Iraq as a keystone of their political strategy for the November elections.

The New York Times described the pro-war political strategy as "an effort to turn what some party leaders had feared could become the party's greatest liability into an advantage in the midterm elections." In a meeting "White House officials including the national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, outlined ways in which Republican lawmakers could speak more forcefully about the war. Participants also included Mr. Bush's top political and communications advisers: his deputy chief of staff, Karl Rove; his political director, Sara Taylor; and the White House counselor, Dan Bartlett."

The New York Times article made no mention of Vets for Freedom, but the group has been conveniently attacking John Murtha and other Iraq war critics while heavily promoting Bush's pro-war mission. Vets for Freedom could become a very helpful front group in the Republican political PR arsenal designed to keep control of Congress and the Senate in the November elections.

John Stauber is the Executive Director for Center for Media and Democracy. http://www.prwatch.org

More HERE

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Of course it is the Busheney PR team, nobody in their right mind would support this failed occupation.

capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 02:52 AM

Posted by: spy on this! at June 27, 2006 03:02 AM

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Pandemoniac,

How blind can you be?

Scott Wheeler, CNSNews.com
Thursday, April 29, 2004
One of America's most prominent federal prosecutors sought changes to the 1995 "wall" memo authored by then-Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, but most of the concerns expressed by U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White over the barriers erected between criminal and counter-intelligence investigations were rejected.
Gorelick's "wall" memo was the subject of an April 26 CNSNews.com report, which quoted four sources as saying the memo erected barriers to intelligence-sharing between the FBI and intelligence agencies, and impeded the investigation of alleged Chinese espionage and illegal campaign donations to then-President Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign.

According to documents obtained by CNSNews.com, White, who was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, spelled out her concerns shortly after Gorelick wrote the memo establishing the new guidelines for federal investigations.

The reply that followed came from Michael Vatis, deputy director of the Executive Office of National Security, with Gorelick signing off on Vatis' language.

White was concerned that Gorelick's new guidelines for investigations had made it too complicated for the FBI to contact the U.S. attorney's office and launch a probe of suspicious activity. White suggested that only the Office of Intelligence Policy and Review at the Department of Justice needed to approve such an investigation, and not the department's criminal division.

Posted by: factchecker at June 27, 2006 08:48 AM

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Powell's Chief of Staff and Others Confirm Bush's Lies on Iraq Intel

The Senate Democratic Policy Committee had a hearing today on pre-war Iraq intelligence to examine how Bush took us to war over faulty information. Witnesses included several prominent officials, such as Colin Powell's Chief of Staff.

The hearing confirmed previous suspicions that the Administration misrepresented and exaggerated intelligence to promote its agenda. BuzzFlash has extracted and highlighted especially relevant portions of testimony.

Lawrence Wilkerson Former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell

"The Vice President was using portions of the intelligence documents in ways that the documents themselves did not seem to support, or at least not strongly. Others in the administration were participating in this distortion."

"The Secretary of State and I, and a host of others in the administration, knew that Iraq's alleged attempt to acquire uranium from Niger, as that attempt was then reported, was highly improbable."

More HERE

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Bush and his merry band of morons would have us believe that he was lied to and hoodwinked, manipulated and faultless. Somebody made Bush start a war of aggression. Yet he blames nobody specific in his misadministration? Really?

He has never blamed anybody specific nor has he fired the somebody that lied to him. That is because he was the one lying, he was the one manipulating, he started this illegal and unwise invasion and occupation because he wanted to do so. He is guilty of war crimes and he knows it.

capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 08:54 AM

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Pandemoniac,
What part of stupid are you stuck on?

Here are a couple of key quotes from the memo, which you say doesn't create a wall.

"Although the counterintelligence investigation may result in the incidental collection of information relevant to possible future criminal prosecutions, the primary purpose of the counterintelligence investigation will be to collect foreign counterintelligence information. Becuase the counterintelligence investigation will involve the use of surveillance techniques authorized under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) against targets that, in some instances, had been subject to surveillance under Title III, and because it will involve some of the same sources and targets as the criminal investigation, we believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations."

What part of "separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations" don't you understand, boy?

Are you stupid, or what?

Posted by: factchecker at June 27, 2006 09:00 AM

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The coup to overthrow the Constitution

I fear, sadly, the United States of America moves closer and closer each day to a dictatorship, ruled by a megalomaniacal despot determined to destroy the Constitution, our basic freedoms and the checks and balances that have kept our government under control for more than two centuries.

The first rule in establishing a dictatorship is "control the flow of information." George W. Bush is close to doing that with the most secretive administration in American history. Now he and his right-wing co-conspirators have unleashed an all-out assault on freedom of the press - the last step on taking control of information and the media.

Bush Monday slammed The New York Times for publishing information about another of his secret spying programs - this one a covert monitoring of international financial transactions of Americans and banks. Administration officials tried to talk The Times out of publishing the story. The Times, to their credit, refused.

More HERE

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Bush thinks 911 gives him the right to throw out the constitution? That is BS pure and simple. It is un-American and contrary to everything America has ever been or stood for.

capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 09:02 AM

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Bush ignores laws at will

Sen. John McCain thought he had a deal when President Bush, faced with a veto-proof margin in Congress, agreed to sign a bill banning the torture of detainees. Not quite. While Bush signed the new law, he also quietly approved another document: a signing statement reserving his right to ignore the law. McCain was furious, and so were other lawmakers.

The Senate Judiciary Committee is opening hearings this week into what has become the White House's favorite tool for overriding Congress in the name of wartime national security.

"It's a challenge to the plain language of the Constitution," the committee's chairman, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa, said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm interested to hear from the administration just what research they've done to lead them to the conclusion that they can cherry-pick."

More HERE

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Bush is: "asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution."

So far he has not been challenged. Not by the senate, not by the house and not by the Supreme Court.


capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 09:08 AM

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GM to shed quarter of workforce this year

General Motors will on Monday disclose details of one of most dramatic corporate downsizings in US history, exceeding a key target of its turnround plan and accelerating the demise of the privileged American car worker.

Rick Wagoner, chief executive, is expected to announce that about 30,000 workers Ð more than a quarter of GM's blue-collar US workforce Ð have taken up its offer of early retirement and severance packages.


More HERE

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I guess GM has had about all of this so-called booming economy that it can handle.


capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 09:13 AM

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Bush slams freedom of the press

President Bush said Monday it was "disgraceful" that the news media had disclosed a secret CIA-Treasury program to track millions of financial records in search of terrorist suspects. The White House accused The New York Times of breaking a long tradition of keeping wartime secrets.

"The fact that a newspaper disclosed it makes it harder to win this war on terror," Bush said, leaning forward and jabbing his finger during a brief question-and-answer session with reporters in the Roosevelt Room.

The Times has defended its effort, saying publication has served America's public interest.

The newspaper, along with the Los Angeles Times and the Wall Street Journal, revealed last week that Treasury officials, beginning shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, had obtained access to an extensive international financial data base _ the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, or Swift.

More HERE

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Only a small minded despot would consider a free press "disgraceful."

I am sure he and Dick would rather have complete control over all media.

capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 09:18 AM

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Pandemoniac,

You say there was no wall, with "facts" from the court to prove your position.

Well, first, my friend, courts don't issue facts, they only issue opinions.

What are facts are what I am about to quote to you from the Gorelick memo itself, declassified on 4/10/04.

"Although the counterintelligence investigation may result in the incidental collection of information relevant to possible future criminal prosecutions, the primary purpose of the counterintelligence investigation will be to collect foreign counterintelligence information. Because the counterintelligence investigation will involve the use of surveilliance techniques authorized under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) against targets that, in some instances, had been subject to surveillance under Title III, and because it will involve some of the same sources and targets as the criminal investigation, we believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation."

What part of "will clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations" don't you understand, boy?
"Although the

Posted by: factchecker at June 27, 2006 09:22 AM

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Pandemoniac,

And here's the clincher, direct from the memo which you say doesn't create a wall.

"This AUSA (Assistant United States Attorney) will also serve to ensure, in conjuntion with the FBI and OIPR (Office of Intelligence Policy and Review - DOD), that information which reasonably indicates that a significant federal crime has been, is being, or may be commited is appropriately disseminated to criminal investigative personnel, the USAO, and the Criminal Division pursuant to the procedures set forth above. That AUSA will continue to be 'walled-off' from participation in the on-going criminal investigations and cases and will continue to abide by all FISA disseminations provisions and guidelines."

What part of "walled-off" don't you understand, boy? For a supposedly smart guy, you are one stupid wetback.

Posted by: factchecker at June 27, 2006 09:29 AM

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You might read the post from Mr. Corn at #52.

I repost it for you here:

"Another periodic warning to posters: refrain from name-calling or you will be banned. I try to let the comments section flow on its own. But I'm getting tired of the nastiness. It is very easy to ban folks and perhaps I should be more active in that regard. Yet please don't take this as a dare."

Posted by: David Corn at June 27, 2006 01:00 AM


Is "stupid wetback." hate speech, crass stupidity or just plain childish? (all of the above)

What part of WETBACK makes for political discourse?


capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 09:35 AM

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TODAY - CALL THESE SENATORS NOW TO VOICE YOUR SUPPORT FOR NETWORK NEUTRALITY! GO TO www.savetheinternet.com/blog/ Call Your Senator for Net Neutrality June 27th, 2006 by tkarr HereÕs the latest from the Senate Commerce Committee where a Òmark-upÓ on several amendments to Senator StevensÕ Telecom Act is scheduled to begin Tuesday at 10 AM. That probably means that the Snowe-Dorgan Net Neutrality amendment will come before Committee as early as the mid-afternoon. If successful the vote on the amendment would put Net Neutrality language into the massive Telecommunications Act. This is critical. If your senators sit on the committee, they need to hear from you today. Ask them to support the Snowe-Dorgan Net Neutrality amendment to the larger Telecom Act (S. 2686). Here are the members of the committee who have not taken a strong position in favor of Internet freedom and for the Snowe-Dorgan Amendment. Call them now: Chairman Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) Phone: 202-224-3004 Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) Phone: 202 -224-2235 Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) Phone: 202-224-2353 Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) Phone: 202-224-5274 Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) Phone: 202 224 3224 Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) Phone: 202 224-4623 Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) Phone: 202-224-6253 Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) Phone: 202-224-2644 Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) Phone: 202-224-6551 Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) Phone: 202-224-6244 Sen. John E. Sununu (R-N.H.) Phone: 202-224-2841 Sen. Gordon Smith (R-Ore.) Phone: 202-224-3753 Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) Phone: 202 224-6121 Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) Phone: 202-224-5922 Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) Phone: 202-224-4024 Sen. John D. Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) Phone: 202-224-6472 Your phone calls actually make a difference. Please call now and urge your senators to support the bipartisan Snowe-Dorgan Internet Freedom amendment in the Commerce Committee. The free and open Internet as we know it is on the line. Make the call and report back via the comment thread below.

Posted by: Rob at June 27, 2006 09:57 AM

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Mr. David Corn, I love your first-class blog but the comments postings need improvement - it needs a moderator. Have a great day and keep up the great work! Rob

Posted by: Rob at June 27, 2006 09:59 AM

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Hagel and Biden on Cheney: Potted Plants and 20% of nothing

Joe Biden and Chuck Hagel joined Wolf Blitzer on Late Edition yesterday and talked about Dick Cheney and the war. Hagel is taking a hard line against the rhetoric that is being spewed by Cheney and Biden said:

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BIDEN: No, I don't want to respond to him. He's at 20 percent in the polls. No one listens to him. He has no credibility. It's ridiculous here's guys like me and a lot of others and on the Republican side, Chuck Hagel and Lindsey Graham, John McCain, across the board, who realize that this requires a political solution.

I wish the president and maybe he does. I wish the president had a plan, a plan along with the Iraqis how you're going to purge the militia out of the Iraqi military, making up the death squads. Number two, how are you going to get the Sunnis to buy in and give them a piece of the oil revenues in a constitutional amendment that our ambassador was able to carve out last December to get the Sunnis to vote? And how do you keep the neighbors out?

Therein lies the solution. As Chuck said, we're going to have to be leaving there anyway because of the Iraqi over time, because of the Iraqi people demanding it, and we can't sustain it. So, what's the political solution here? We should be working on that.

BLITZER: I want Senator Hagel to weigh in as well. Go ahead.

HAGEL: Just a brief comment on the vice president's comments. In a speech I gave on the Senate floor, I specifically targeted that kind of rhetoric. War is a serious business. War should never be held hostage to a political agenda. I think both sides do a great disservice, especially to the men and women doing the fighting and the dying.

Not the people in Washington who are so anxious to send these guys to die and fight, but to them. We do a great disservice, and to our country, when we make this a political issue to say the Democrats did this, the Republicans did this. War is far more serious than that. I complimented Senators Levin and Reid on the floor of the Senate for their amendment. I complimented them, Wolf, because they brought forward a responsible amendment to debate. We didn't do that in Vietnam. And consequently, it was a disastrous ending when, in 1975, and Joe was here and I was here, we just pulled the plug. And we grabbed a hold of a helicopter and got out of Vietnam any way we could. We don't want that kind of ending here. We need to be serious about it. The Congress needs to be part of this. We're not potted plants.

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I was counting on the experience of a few Vietnam Veterans to actually take a stand and quit rubber stamping money and troops to feed the meat-grinder that Bush's ineptitude made. It is a disgrace for these guys to stand by while this WH trots out the same tired slogans and insults.

capt

Posted by: capt at June 27, 2006 10:00 AM

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Capt, You go dude! The level of civility has gone down tremendously of late. Now factchuckers head is about to explode, YIKES! Watch out for flying chunks! The sophmoric tripe produced by so-called righties is turning what could be a type of on-line think tank into a trash bin for unidentified maroons.

When observers come here for the laughs something is not right. (no pun intended)

I do not mind a difference of opinion being expressed but the harrassment program is getting old.

Posted by: DEN at June 27, 2006 10:40 AM

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For a supposedly smart guy, you are one stupid wetback.
Posted by: factchecker at June 27, 2006 09:29

The name calling instigators, factchecker and lbh, have been warned about name calling twice, as have we all but pay no mind. For the sake of the quality of this blog, I hope David Corn is serious about his requirements for participation.

Posted by: Fitz at June 27, 2006 10:43 AM

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84
Pandemoniac,
What part of stupid are you stuck on? [. . . ]
Are you stupid, or what?
Posted by: factchecker at June 27, 2006 09:00

Another charming example of the level of discourse and propensity for name-calling. The word stupid passes as a mild insult mostly because it's the insult of choice in grade school playgrouds. If he has Turret's he should stay, otherwise it's off to RedState.com.

Posted by: Fitz at June 27, 2006 10:50 AM

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 27, 2006 10:53 AM

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Factless is incapable of even being clever with his insults. Instead, it shows it's true colors with a racial epithet. It should be hanging around LGF. Definitely grounds for banning.

Posted by: Don at June 27, 2006 10:55 AM

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LGF?

Posted by: Fitz at June 27, 2006 10:59 AM

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What will it take to disconnect the current misadministration from their reign?

How far will they take us into the depths of hell before they are stopped?

How many more young Americans must be sacrificed before this unjust war is stopped?

When will our country be returned to us? When?

Posted by: DEN at June 27, 2006 11:00 AM

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LGF = Little Green Footballs, a troll breeding ground

Posted by: eyes_open at June 27, 2006 11:06 AM

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About DC's post, this line was most telling:
But the press attendance was not great.
Wouldn't a "liberal" media be all over this?

Posted by: eyes_open at June 27, 2006 11:09 AM

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Thx Don, eyes(0.0)

Posted by: Fitz at June 27, 2006 11:10 AM

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David, I would have given about anything to be at this hearing.

Several weeks ago on Diane Rehms I challenged David Gregory with a question "why are reporters not asking more question about the status of Phase 2 of the SSCI." David responded with " the left continues to call Bush a liar." And that " we would have to win the election in the fall to get justice".

If I would have been able to respond to him. I would have said. "Stop twisting my words and putting words in my mouth, and answer my question". By identifying my question about accountability as being on the left demonstrates how some in the media (David Gregory in this case) continue to isolate and separate questions demanding justice and accountablity having to do with the stated reasons for this war. I would have asked Gregory if his statements meant that the American people can not expect justice in regard to this issue out of the Republicans?

It is absolutely critical for our elected and selected representatives to hold those responsible for creating and dessiminating the false intelligence used to support the illegal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The world and the american people witnessed a Republican controlled congress demand that a President be held accountable for lying under oath about an extra-marital affair. If this present Republican controlled congress does not make every effort, turn every stone, to hold those responsible for false pre-war intelligence accountable, their twisted and perverted priorities will be made very clear to all.

Holding those responsible has absolutely nothing to do with whether an individual is a Democrat, Republican or an Independent. The issue of accountability has to do with justice, truth and the integrity of this nation.

Holding those responsible is the very least that our representatives can do for those who have needlessly lost their lives (Iraqi, Afghani, American, and coalition soldiers) in this unnecessary quagmire/war.

Thank you David for sharing this important piece.

Byron York has a piece at National Review about the status of Phase 2

Posted by: kathleen at June 27, 2006 11:12 AM

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Limbaugh detained at Palm Beach airport
The sheriff's office plans to file a report with the state attorney's office. Miller said it could be a second-degree misdemeanor violation.

Posted by: eyes_open at June 27, 2006 11:41 AM

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Oops, accidentally edited my own commentary.

Looks like "Limpbaugh" is now an accurate nickname :).

Posted by: eyes_open at June 27, 2006 11:45 AM

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Washington, DC, 26 May 2006 - Today the National Security Archive announces the publication of the most comprehensive collection ever assembled of the memoranda of conversations (memcons) involving Henry Kissinger, one of the most acclaimed and controversial U.S. diplomats of the second half of the 20th century. Published on-line in the Digital National Security Archive (ProQuest) as well in print-microfiche form, the 28,000-page collection is the result of a seven-year effort by the National Security Archive to collect every memcon that could be found through archival research and declassification requests. According to Kissinger biographer and president of the Aspen Institute Walter Isaacson, "Henry Kissinger's memos of conversation are an amazing, fascinating, and absolutely indispensable resource for understanding his years in power." Nearly word-for-word records of the meetings, the memcons place the reader in the room with Kissinger and world leaders, and future leaders, including Mao Zedong, Anwar Sadat, Leonid Brezhnev, Georges Pompidou, Richard Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Donald Rumsfeld, and George H.W. Bush. Massive! 28,000 pages here.

Posted by: DEN at June 27, 2006 11:46 AM

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Limp-aww probably planned for some hot hooker action in the Dominican Republic.

Posted by: Don at June 27, 2006 11:47 AM

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Damn, EO, you beat me to the snarky name.

Posted by: Don at June 27, 2006 11:48 AM

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And now for something completely different:

Twinkie Burritos? Twinkie Lasagna?
CHICAGO - Twinkies, they're not just for dessert anymore. The new "Twinkies Cookbook" has recipes for everything from a Twinkie Burrito to Twinkie Lasagna.

Posted by: eyes_open at June 27, 2006 11:49 AM

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Don,
Great minds...

Posted by: eyes_open at June 27, 2006 11:50 AM

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#111

that is gross

Posted by: Paul at June 27, 2006 12:28 PM

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Who knows, maybe it is a kind of perversion, but I do seem to be spending a lot of nights sitting up and watching congressional hearings on C-Span.

So, I did get a chance to witness Congresscritter Walter Jones admit to being ashamed at being the only GOPher to attend the hearing, other than Larry Wilkerson.

He also mentioned that he may be drummed out of the party, or words to that effect, and Wilkerson said, "Me too..."

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 27, 2006 12:35 PM

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maybe they can trade straight across for lieberman and biden.

Posted by: spy on this! at June 27, 2006 12:50 PM

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Introducing the new Congress Critter action figures! Trade for the ones you want or if you have the money buy them and keep them in your pocket!

Posted by: eyes_open at June 27, 2006 01:00 PM

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American Soldiers' Hatred Breeds "Hadji Girl" Song and Video
By Sheldon Rampton
SourceWatch
Monday 26 June 2006

A videotaped recording of a Marine singing about a shootout with an Iraqi family has war critics up in arms about US troops' open hostility to Muslims and Arabs.

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 27, 2006 01:02 PM

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eyes-open,

Or be like the Bu$hco Family and collect the whole set!

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 27, 2006 01:03 PM

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Corn-Nuts Gone Wild!

Censorship is the issue of the day once again by Pandy, Don, Rob, Den, Capt and the rest. I believe Mr Corn was addressing everyone not just factchecher and myself. In fact if Pandy wasn't such a nasty name caller, I would be sooooo much nicer. I don't blame David for getting tired of this behavior, after all you wouldn't see this on a conservative site.

I do have to make comment about Pandy's defense of Scott Ritter, without insult mind you!


Pandy, just cuz Mrs Ritter told Scotty to keep his thingy in his pants for six months doesn't mean his not a _ _ _ _, well you know! Would you let this guy babysit your daughter?

Posted by: LBH at June 27, 2006 01:14 PM

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now with kung-fu wallet gripping action!
(energy policy not included. wallet and false-flag sold separately.)

Posted by: spy on this! at June 27, 2006 01:18 PM

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Question for Pandy?

Is OJ Simpson innocent of murdering his wife? After all, he wasn't convicted in a criminal court.

If you're going to use this logic then you must admit that Rove is innocent, right? He wasn't even arrested.

Libby hasn't been convicted, but I believe the left says he's guilty.

The Marines at Haditha haven't been convicted but Murtha say's their guilty.

Is there just a double standard for liberals?

Posted by: LBH at June 27, 2006 01:22 PM

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Two things have never, ever been brought up by any news media and it sickens me (Correct me if
I'm wrong)
1) When Bush sounded for sure like he was going to
have his war because he said there was a link between Saddam & BinLaden w/9/11 and AlQueda; some
knowledgeble people were saying they didn't
think that was true at all. Well, then I
remember very distinctly that a photo was circulated on all the News channels showing the
2 men together and it was the ADM. saying:
See it's true, not false. (Around 01/27/03
Lewis Libby gave a speech also tieing the two men together (so that would be Cheney's office)
Never, ever heard anyone ever bring that up as
an important lie. And was the picture ever
authenticated?? This should be looked into the archives and checked, i think!(I wish i could do it, but i can't.)
2) Dan Rather had Saddam on a special 60 MINUTES with just Saddam (he went over there; it was well publicized beforehand. I saw it and saw and heard Saddam say he really wanted to meet with our President, Mr. Bush and did not want to war to happen.
What did Mr. Bush say later????? He said he never
watched it, never heard the request, and the
ans. to his wanting to meet w/him was an emphatic
NO! So it was never broughtup that there was ever a request for negotiations (which Bush has yet to
do w/any of the other leaders who are threatening us) I would so think that negotiations would have
been the biggest step he could have taken and he said NO and got by with it ~~and thus he acted
like he had a hot foot to get his PLANNED WAR
(since 1992) started ~~and he did that too on
false intelligence. America was told that the 1st. bombs were dropped on a building that
Saddam and his army, & Brothers were meeting at on March 19, 2003 and this was also brought out on 60 MINUTES TV show just weeks after war began that there were no bodies found in the bldg. These two, i should say 3 HUGE (in my book )facts
have never, ever, ever been talked about on
conservative or liberal talk shows. My BIG ?
is WHY? Why not start talking about those two
items to show how this ADM. has acted on our
behalf. I don't like it a bit and don't know
why something is not done about it. We must
get this Regime out!

Posted by: Thelma at June 27, 2006 01:24 PM

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in history classes everybody was taught about the price of 'freedom' and true patriotism and the evil nazis, the resistance, WW2 and on and on...
then when one day they would have to be the heroes, the resistance, the revolutioners, they turn out cowards and let it happen.
it's a shame all these monuments exist as tourist attractions when their actual meaning has become null and void.

Posted by: spy on this! at June 27, 2006 01:27 PM

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Mr. LBH,

How quickly the descent into pathos. I posted simply the facts in the case, pointing out that the records were se