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June 09, 2006Of Zarqawi and ContextAn easy defense for one under attack is to claim that his or her words were taken out of context. Usually this is a dodge resorted to when one cannot bear to apologize or admit error. But in today's lesson, students, let me present a true example of a conservative commentator who engaged in reckless abandonment of context. It just so happens to involve me. Ben Johnson, the managing editor of right-wing David Horowitz's FrontPage.com, was peeved by yesterday's posting below regarding the demise of Abu Musab Zarqawi. He wrote, David Corn at The Nation charges President Bush with inventing Zarqawi threat--and insists Bush played into al-Qaeda's hands by killing him. "[T]he two people most satisfied by Zarqawi's death," he writes, "are Osama bin Laden and his number-two Ayman al-Zawahiri, for now they have been spared a competitor for attention and handed a martyr." He surmised Zarqawi's "death is welcomed--but it remains part of a larger and tragic story of miscalculation." He then lays out the Left's current wisdom on the bombing: "Bush did not mention that it was his invasion of Iraq that fully allied Zarqawi with al-Qaeda. Prior to the war, terrorism experts considered Zarqawi more of a rival than a partner. And he did not mention that four years ago--before Zarqawi had become a major terrorist figure and before he had become responsible for the deaths of hundreds (if not thousands)--the Bush White House chose not to take him out when it could [in summer 2002]....The administration put off attacking Zarqawi because it wanted to invade Iraq." Corn makes two mutually exclusive arguments: that Zarqawi was not "fully allied" with Osama bin Laden before the Iraq invasion...and that the president needlessly allowed him to inflict "hundreds (if not thousands)" of deaths on innocent Iraqis, and Americans, to secure an American occupation. If only I spoke for the Left. But--actually--neither I nor the Left want that. But notice the sly hand at work above. In discussing what the Zarqawi death might mean to al Qaeda, I was quoting Bruce Hoffman, a well-known terrorism expert at the Rand Corporation (hardly a bastion of the Left). But to have noted that would have diluted Johnson's point about Lefty wackiness. And when I mentioned that the White House had thrice turned down Pentagon plans to bomb Zarqawi's camp in 2002, I was quoting (and linking to) an NBC News report from 2004. Johnson left that out as well. If he has a problem, it's with NBC News. Is the report wrong? Were NBC News' military sources speaking inaccurately when they said that the White House turned down their request to strike Zarqawi because it would interfere with its plans to promote a war with Iraq? Johnson does write: It is true the White House turned down plans to bomb Ansar in the summer of 2002--because State Department officials long drew no connection between Zarqawi and al-Qaeda. Like the Left (including Corn), Foggy Bottom analysts concluded the two were unaffiliated parties. By the time they connected the dots, a strike would have been too risky and virtually impossible to secure diplomatically. How odd. Bush failed to act because of those namby-pamby Foggy Bottom dwellers in 2002. But then the president disregarded their concerns when it came to an invasion of Iraq? By the way, after Colin Powell pointed to Zarqawi as evidence of the "sinister nexus" between al Qaeda and Baghdad in his speech to the UN Security Council in February 2003, terrorism experts noted that this assertion was far from proven. But, as I wrote at the time, Powell had made a good case for bombing Zarqawi (because Zarqawi seemed a danger on his own)--not for invading Iraq. Yet, as the NBC News report noted, Bush put invading Iraq ahead of taking out Zarqawi. And what happened after that is no secret. I did not charge that Bush "invented" the Zarqawi threat. I noted that Bush had ignored it in pursuit of a war in Iraq. That should not be too hard a context for the Horowitzers to grasp. You've been quite critical of the latest quarterly report by the Defense Department to Congress on the situation in Iraq. Why so? We are seeing a pattern in which we have never had realistic reporting to Congress. But this quarterly report has really failed to address the issues in ways which border on deception. Can you summarize your criticism? I think everybody needs to understand we are talking about a sixty-page document. Parts of it deal with the president's strategy, and there is some useful material mixed in with problems that range from sloppy editing to massive omissions and conceptual failures. But essentially, you can break down its failures into four parts. The first is political. The report argues that there is political success because there have been elections, and the Iraqis have finally been able to agree on a government. It does not address any of the political problems with any realism, it does not talk about the fact that the elections showed that Iraq was polarized along ethnic or sectarian lines, or seriously address the risk of a major civil war. The second is economic. The report provides an analysis of the economy that does not track with other U.S. estimates. It makes no sense in basic econometric terms, provides a misleading picture of "success" in a country with 20 to 40 percent unemployment, and does not address any of the massive problems in the U.S. aid effort and the U.S. use of Iraqi funds. It essentially talks about an economy in Iraq which does not exist. The third is analysis of the threat. There are some useful aspects of the analysis, dealing with trends in the insurgency. But the report so badly downplays the growing risk of sectarian and ethnic conflict that it produces a totally misleading picture of the threat, and this is compounded by a use of poll data which it does not explain or validate. It uses cherry-picked polling results, some of which contradict each other in terms of other tables or text. Finally, there is the analysis of progress in developing Iraqi forces. The report does provide some useful data on Iraqi force development, and there has been progress. But the report exaggerates this progress. It does not provide any picture of the level of continued U.S. support necessary to bring this program to success. Finally, at a time when the militias, the police, and the various protection services have reached a crisis point, and where there is truly a major question of whether Iraq is moving toward civil war, the report dodges around all of the problems and simply does not give either Congress or the American people anything approaching a realistic picture.... So you're saying the situation is deteriorating in Iraq? One of the great problems here is that the police and the security services, the militias, crime, local security forces, and action forces all have divided along sectarian and ethnic lines. They are, in general, corrupt, and they lack the kind of leadership and training that is needed. There is nothing convincing to say things are getting better, and it is very possible that the political situation could become paralyzed or divided, and if so, then this deterioration along sectarian and ethic lines, coupled to problems with the police and militias, could confront us with something far worse than exists today. I do not want to be pessimistic about this. I think the fact is, however, we need to assess these risks, and we need to assess them honestly if we are going to organize the kind of U.S. effort that has the highest possibility of preventing civil conflict and that kind of victory for the insurgency.... An obvious conclusion would be that the Pentagon report was done for political reasons to try to make things look better than they are in Iraq with elections coming up in November for Congress. One wonders. It certainly spins things in a very favorable way in many areas. But the truth of the matter is that it is simply incompetent. It shows a lack of concern for detail, for the facts, [for] addressing the issues that really need to be addressed. That is one of the most discouraging aspects of it. This is a highly partisan environment. There are really bitter and increasingly polarized debates in Congress, among the American people, and in the media over what is happening there. People really need to know the facts, they need to know the risks, and they need to know what level of commitment is needed. It simply is a failure in basic analytic integrity. I look forward to the Horowitz gang accusing CSIS of spreading the misguided criticism of the Left. Posted by David Corn at June 9, 2006 11:55 AM | ||
Comments
I'm first. ME ME ME
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 11:59 AM
Mr. David Corn,
Another great post!
It is a good thing that some on the wacky right take issue with your work. That means you are making too much sense to be ignored. Even better, one might assume your work is rattling their monkey-cage(s)!
Thanks
Kirk
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 12:02 PM
I was listening to the Diane Rehm show and a comment was made that Zarqawi became a big player when Colin Lapdog Powell mentioned his name at the U.N. Nazi America does invent bogeymen and bring them to great heights in the world of terrorism. You can tell that Nazi Americans eat up this shit by their shit eating grins.
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 12:18 PM
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I'm first. ME ME ME
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 11:59 AM
Even a clock . . .
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 12:18 PM
If only I spoke for the Left. But--actually--neither I nor the Left want that.
that's a shame because the left and yourself are perfect for each other.
But notice the sly hand at work above.
please. there is more slyness in a single one of your fingers than in all of johnson/horowitz' rag put together.
thank you for allowing us to post whatever we want all this time - now i am taking my squares and going home -
everybody: stock up on food and other necessities while you still can! adio, jha.
Posted by: 没有飞机 at June 9, 2006 12:20 PM
Who Cares About Facts Any More?
Not Thomas Sowell
"Among the historical facts is that there is absolutely nothing in the Constitution about a "separation of church and state," despite how often that phrase has been repeated in the media, in politics, and even in courts of law."
Search the Constitution for the phrase "wireless wiretapping," "net neutrality" or "snuff films" and you'll get the same empty result. Centuries of legal precedent have undone some of the work of the Constitution's authors. Obviously the Conservatives long for the good ol' days when only rich white men voted and blacks were only three-fifths of a man as the Constitution explicitly stated.
"President Bush...has repeatedly been depicted as such a mental lightweight"
"I think war is a dangerous place."
—Washington, D.C., May 7, 2003
"The law I sign today directs new funds and new focus to the task of collecting vital intelligence on terrorist threats and on weapons of mass production."
—Washington, D.C., Nov. 27, 2002
"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption."
—Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002
"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here."
—Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002
"Do you have blacks, too?"
—To Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001
"We've tripled the amount of money—I believe it's from $50 million up to $195 million available."
—Lima, Peru, March 23, 2002
"The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law."
—Austin, Texas, Nov. 22, 2000
Where Mr. Bush is involved, the stupidity paradigm is in full effect.
"The grand political fallacy of the age is that the Republicans are the party of wealth"
isn't diminished in the least by the fact that poor people are duped into voting for him. The slow death of the middle class, the tax cuts for billionaires and the corporatist agenda prove that Republicans only take care of the wealthy and their wealth.
"It has become axiomatic in the liberal media that big-money donors give most of that big money to the Republicans."
No. It has become axiomatic in the courts across the nation (and in the court of public opinion) that big-money donors give money to Republicans in exchange for political favors. That investigations into Republican bribe-taking overshadow investigations into Democrats by a 10 to 1 ratio is evidently a "fact" that leads conservatives to take heart that "Democrats do it too."
"Racism" is the trump card in the indictment of Republicans."
Pointing to the acts of Democrats 50 to 100 years ago won't change that fact. It doesn't make the support of 10% of blacks (and 30 to 40% of Hispanics) any more or less important. It won't change the Grand Ol' Lynching Party's Xenophobic legislative agenda one bit. It won't make Mr. Bush's appointments any more diverse than Mr. Clinton's. Wait, does that make Sowell a liar, or is he just misinformed? Another one of those human mushrooms -- kept in the dark and fed shit all day.
"But who cares about facts any more?"
Posted by: Hapless misinformation service at June 8, 2006 06:22 PM
It's on in Germany baybeee! La pelota rueda.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 9, 2006 12:24 PM
I'd respectfully echo the sentiments I heard James Carroll make recently, while discussing his new book, "House of War."
Carroll's opinion, one which I share, is that the whole notion of "War on Terror" is a fallacy to begin with, that 9/11 was a crime to which the perpetrators have not yet been brought to justice. He reminded the audience that when George Bush demanded of the Taliban that they turn over Osama Bin Laden, they (Taliban) asked for the evidence of his (OBL) involvement. Bush responded by invading.
Seen through this prism, (and leaving behind my interpretation of Carroll and speaking for myself) looking at 9/11 as changing the world as we knew it, and as the causus belli for military strikes wherever George Bush choses, we find ourselves embracing the concepts of targeted assasinations, pre-emptive and preventative air power assualts, and military invasions.
These actions fall under the rubric of the principle of exclusivity, for surely, if Iran tried a pre-emptive strike against George Bush, or maybe just a targeted assasination, these same people who embrace these concepts would be screaming to holy hell and back.
Zarqawi's demise will probably do little in the larger Iraqi context, but consider, wouldn't it have been the larger coup if the new Iraqi police force would have brought him in alive, even if they had used significant U.S. support?
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 9, 2006 12:24 PM
NOTABLE QUOTES
The Fight for Honest Monetary Weights and Measures (Honest Money) is not a new fight. It was fought, and won, several times in the last century. In particular, ordinary people have always supported honest monetary weights and measures and always opposed fiat money, a.k.a. paper money. Set forth below are some quotations from some more famous personalities who expressed thoughts on the money issue. Also included are some revealing quotations from official publications, such as those published by the Federal Reserve.
More HERE
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I know, always with the quotes. You will find the quotes in the linked piece interesting to say the least.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 12:24 PM
The three stooges think this was a good week for the Republicans. Mr. Bush is still lying to them. Mr. Bush's Energy Crisis still puts our future in danger. Health care is still a mess. We don't have to worry about terrorists hating us for our freedoms. The beauty of the Conservative response is that there's no internal resistance to the argument. It's empty in there.
By Pande Ass
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Someone is in denial!!!! The whole fucking world knows this was a good week for republicans. Even some of your Corn-nut groupies aren't in such denial as you my friend!
The lastest analysis of the CA primaries was that the Democrats couldn't even motivate there own base to go to the polls. If you have a party that stands for nothing and has no new ideas why bother.
Someday you will wake up from this nighmare of denial, Pande, and realize that you are defending the indefensible.
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 12:24 PM
O Reilly at #1
Quit frigging spoofing as me- David has warned you about spoofing dickhead!
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 12:26 PM
The whole fucking world knows this was a good week for republicans. - lbh
Imagine for a moment the gall to claim the knowledge of what the whole eff'n world knows. Fuck, I don't even know what I know, No, no, I'm wrong.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 9, 2006 12:35 PM
Moral of the story:
If a man takes no thought about what is distant, he will find sorrow near at hand.
Confucius
Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 12:39 PM
The lastest analysis of the CA primaries was that the Democrats couldn't even motivate there own base to go to the polls. - lbh
By whom?
Anyway, in the San Diego primary, R's outspent D's two to one. The GOPher's did hold the seat, but by a margin that in now way reflects the make-up of the district. San Diego is a long way from San Fransico in more ways than geography.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 9, 2006 12:40 PM
Imagine for a moment the gall to claim the knowledge of what the whole eff'n world knows. Fuck, I don't even know what I know, No, no, I'm wrong.
BY RS
Robert, dude if you would lay off the weed this wouldn't be a problem! He he
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 12:42 PM
Anyway, in the San Diego primary, R's outspent D's two to one. The GOPher's did hold the seat, but by a margin that in now way reflects the make-up of the district. San Diego is a long way from San Fransico in more ways than geography.
By RS
Nice spin!
What happened to the culture of corruption scandal that was going to be a shoe in for the Dems? I guess they actually need an agenda now. Hope it's not too late for you lefties. We always appreciate a good fight, but this one doesn't even look close.
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 12:47 PM
San Diego is a long way from San Fransico in more ways than geography.
By RS
You can say that again! You have to be homosexual, trans-gender, bi-sexual or just a freak to live in San Fran.
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 12:50 PM
Pentagon sets its sights on social networking websites
New Scientist has discovered that Pentagon's National Security Agency, which specialises in eavesdropping and code-breaking, is funding research into the mass harvesting of the information that people post about themselves on social networks. And it could harness advances in internet technology - specifically the forthcoming "semantic web" championed by the web standards organisation W3C - to combine data from social networking websites with details such as banking, retail and property records, allowing the NSA to build extensive, all-embracing personal profiles of individuals.
Americans are still reeling from last month's revelations that the NSA has been logging phone calls since the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001. The Congressional Research Service, which advises the US legislature, says phone companies that surrendered call records may have acted illegally. However, the White House insists that the terrorist threat makes existing wire-tapping legislation out of date and is urging Congress not to investigate the NSA's action.
More HERE
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"Social Networking Websites"
Could they be talking about blogs? The funny thing is the trolls will be included as part of our "network."
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 12:53 PM
She said "I know what it's like to be dead.
I know what it is to be sad"
And she's making me feel like I've never been born.
I said "Who put all those things in your head?
Things that make me feel that I'm mad
And you're making me feel like I've never been born."
She said "you don't understand what I said"
I said "No, no, no, you're wrong"
When I was a boy everything was right
Everything was right
I said "Even though you know what you know
I know that I'm ready to leave
'Cause you're making me feel like I've never been born."
She said "you don't understand what I said"
I said "No, no, no, you're wrong"
When I was a boy everything was right
Everything was right
I said "Even though you know what you know
I know that I'm ready to leave
'Cause you're making me feel like I've never been born."
She said , she said "I know what it's like to be dead"
("I know what it's like to be dead")
I know what it is to be sad...
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If I were consuming, that would be a pretty decent argument that cannabis didn't adversly effect mental clarity and memory, judging by the arguments I can muster.
I'm not saying. But, I do argue that the prohibition against cannabis is criminal as it deprives persons of their liberty for an action which neither breaks bones or picks pockets.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 9, 2006 12:54 PM
A source high inside the federal government has informed me that the FBI has the DNA of the dead man claimed to be Zarqawi. The source wondered how the FBI had Zarqawi's original DNA. There is growing suspicion that our Nazi government is randomly collecting DNA from various sources and giving these sources 15 minutes of fame as high ranking terrorists to be used for political reasons.
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 12:55 PM
Gerald, Zarqawi was probably on the govt. payroll. OBL was.
Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 01:02 PM
On the Diane Rehm show Tony Blakely said that the government is concerned about domestic American terrorists. Does this mean that if Hitler Bush looks into our eyes, he can determine whether or not we are terrorists and thrown into jail as enemy combatants? We are a fascist state!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 01:03 PM
Hi all,
From a previous thread, Barbara states:
"Hajji,
AIDS can be transferred through breathing or from touching a door handle. I am not a brainiac about such illnesses, but I do know that."
***Not unless that door handle has bodily fluids on it. HIV is transmitted through DIRECT CONTACT of a mucous membrane or the bloodstream with a bodily fluid containing HIV, such as blood, semen, vaginal fluid, preseminal fluid and breast milk.[2][3] This transmission can come in the form of: (anal or vaginal) sex; blood transfusion; contaminated needles; exchange between mother and infant during pregnancy, childbirth, or breastfeeding; or other exposure to one of the above bodily fluids.
Peace.
Posted by: Say What? at June 9, 2006 01:04 PM
#20 DEN, you are probably right!
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 01:05 PM
I really don't understand why anyone who is not a rabid right wing nutcase pays any attention to David Horowitz. He's never changed over the years. He started out as a rabid left wing propagandist and now he's a rabid right wing propagandist. Horowitz found that right wing propaganda pays better. I would think that you have better things to do, David, than respond to Horowitz or what ever other right wing nut comments on your "communist America hating" tendancies.
Posted by: Ian Kaplan at June 9, 2006 01:11 PM
By Dahr Jamail and Jeff Pflueger
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Friday 09 June 2006
In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.
- Winston Churchill, British Prime Minister during World War II
Propaganda is when the Western corporate media tries to influence public opinion in favor of the Iraq War by consistently tampering with truth and distorting reality. It is to be expected. And it is to be recognized for what it is. On occasions when the media does its job responsibly and reports events like the November 19, 2005, Haditha Massacre, it must also be willing and able to anticipate and counter propaganda campaigns that will inevitably follow. It is to be expected that the responsible members of the media fraternity will stick to their guns and not join the propagandists.
This piece is a summary of five most commonly deployed crisis management propaganda tactics which the State and Media combine that we can expect to see in relation to the Haditha Massacre. Listed in a loose chronological order of their deployment, the tactics are: Delay, Distract, Discredit, Spotlight and Scapegoat. Each of the five public relations campaigns will here be discussed in the context of the Haditha Massacre.
more.
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How quickly some can be reduced to:
but, but, but, Butt Monkeys. I've no desire to, and will not continue in that vein.
Sad it is that the posts I put the most into, such as #7, are ignored by the rah rah right, but, personal attacks and innuendo are administered ad infinitum.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 9, 2006 01:13 PM
Most of you are probably aware that Muslims are called to prayer five times per day. You may not be aware that the Nazis are called to shout it out six times per day, THE GLORY OF HITLER BUSH IS MAN FULLY AND TOTALLY DEAD.
Mattie Stepanek may never be declared a canonized saint but if you want to read the written words of an undeclared saint, please take some time to read his books on Heartsongs.
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 01:28 PM
Robert, they couldn't have brought him in alive, can't have him spilling his guts about what is really going on. I'm waiting to hear about saddam's deteriorating health and subsequent suicide before the trial is over, just like milosevic. Dead men, even tyrants, tell no tales.
Posted by: Saladin at June 9, 2006 01:30 PM
"Zarqawi's demise will probably do little in the larger Iraqi context, but consider, wouldn't it have been the larger coup if the new Iraqi police force would have brought him in alive, even if they had used significant U.S. support?"
Robert S.@#7
I agree Robert. Zarqawi is only a drop in the bucket of swill. The real question is another "what really happened". How do you take a hit from 2-500lb. bombs and maintain your good looks? Must have been the deflector shields.
More mysteries fewer answers.
Do not let the parasites on the blog deflect your attention or influence posts. Inside their pointy little heads is a worm needing dirt.
Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 01:36 PM
Say What,
Barbara amended her statement a couple posts later to: "....CAN't be transferred through breathing or from touching a door handle..."
but was still missing the point...
-T
Posted by: Hajji at June 9, 2006 01:47 PM
Cardinal Sees New Threats to Life in the Americas
In Message Sent in Pope's Name
VATICAN CITY, JUNE 8, 2006 (Zenit.org).- In a message sent in Benedict XVI's name to the Organization of American States, the Vatican secretary of state warned against the new threats to human life in the Western Hemisphere.
Cardinal Angelo Sodano's message was presented to the OAS' General Assembly, which closed Tuesday in Santo Domingo, in the Dominican Republic.
The message focused on "the dignity of the human person, the absolute value of human life from conception until its natural end."
"The American continent has a tradition of respect for life which is now being threatened by the pressure of currents foreign to its nature," Cardinal Sodano stated.
In several countries of Latin America, pressure groups are promoting the legalization of abortion, even though in most of those nations the constitutions defend human life in all its phases.
In the area of safeguarding the dignity of the human person, Cardinal Sodano said that it is also "a priority to favor the conditions that will decrease violence in its diverse forms: terrorism, attacks against innocent civilians, kidnappings, threats, drug trafficking."
The letter also asked the representatives of the 34 countries of the OAS to promote the family, "based on marriage."
Plea for the family
"To promote the family is an essential task for the development of society of the whole continent," the Vatican secretary of state wrote. "The family is the place of learning, of knowledge, of basic formation of the future protagonist of social life.
"That is why the family is the first entity that states must protect and promote. The role carried out by parents is fundamental and cannot be substituted by the state or another institution which is a necessary and very beneficial complement, but which does not replace the primordial role of parents whose competence it also is to choose the type of education they want for their children."
Cardinal Sodano added: "The family cannot carry out its mission properly if it does not have the minimal material conditions to do so."
In this context, he lamented "the persistence, at times aggravated, of poverty and the increase in inequality between the richest and the poorest."
"It is not just about distributing more adequately what there is, but of improving the conditions of production and of seeking new ways of development in peace and harmony for all," the Vatican official suggested, proposing the social doctrine of the Church as an indispensable ally to this end.
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 01:49 PM
The lack of knowledge (often by willful ignorance) is directly related to the stigma held by so many against patients with AIDS.
Such unfounded fear/hate is undoubtably doing more to supress research and prevention by governments around the world.
Posted by: Hajji at June 9, 2006 01:51 PM
Yes, well, Bless its Pointy Little Head.
Well, from the pictures I saw, it looked to be rebar reinforced concrete construction. Not being a munitions specialist, I do not have the ability to predict the damage inflicted to a body within such a construction. Also, the photo did not show the body, only the head and upper torso.
What Really Happened? And do the Dead tell tales? Are they Tall Tales?
Did the bodies of the victims of Haditha tell tales? Did those in the mass graves that were attributed to the Saddam regime? Did they tell of our participation in Saddam's ascention to and maintanence of power?
Tales of the Great Rum Runners - Robert Hunter
Here is a taste of the great rum runners
Ships that sailed the velvet harbor
Crews that broke the jugs and poured your blood
Like flowing rum upon the sand
Sinking down, down, down
Upon the sand, upon the sea
Upon the hills of liquid green
They rise to fall, they rise again
Their dreams tattered sails in the wind
Here is a wail of a lone flute playing
Those not hanged, by time were slain
Here is a cup of blood and tears
Here is the wail of a hundred years
Going down, down, down
Upon the sand, upon the sea
Upon the hills of liquid green
They rise to fall, they rise again
Their dreams tattered sails in the wind
Overnight they turned to water
No blood rang when they went to slaughter
Tears were few, though sighs were heavy
Bones were stacked in the main library
Turning down, down, down
Till their dreams are touching ground
Rising up like gentle rain
They turn to rise and fall again
Running round and changing faces
Marking time and keeping paces
Ducking down awhile to die
Their faces melt to barren sky
After all the trial and fury
They spared the judge and hanged the jury
No one asked the reason why
Sentence passed they turned to die
Turning down, down, down
Till their dreams are touching ground
Rising up like gentle rain
They turn to rise and fall again
Their dreams tattered sails in the wind
Here is fire and bloody slaughter
Written on the leaves of water
Here is a ship with all hands singing
Here is a dock with dark men swinging
Down, down, down
Upon the sand, upon the sea
Upon the hills of liquid green
They rise to fall, they rise again
Their dreams tattered sails in the wind
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[...]There is a leadership deficit in the armed forces of the United States today, and it begins with the commander in chief, President George W. Bush, and his secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld. It extends to the entire U.S. Congress and onto the senior leadership of the uniformed armed services, the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
All of these individuals and organizations set a standard of carefree indifference to the rule of law when they ordered, or gave consent to, the invasion and occupation of Iraq. They were mute when the president and his secretary of defense waived the Geneva Convention when it came to so-called "terrorists" and "unlawful combatants." They forgot that many who fought for the United States during the American Revolution would be classified as terrorists or unlawful combatants using the standards set forth by the Bush administration. [...] And in waiving American adherence to the rule of law in general, and the law of war in particular, American leadership, civilian and military, set a standard of indifference that was far too easily replicated by the men and women under them. This is why we had Bagram, Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib. And this is why we have Haditha.
- Scott Ritter
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 9, 2006 01:55 PM
David Gilmore has a new CD and on XM #40 now with Artist Confidential.
Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 02:03 PM
A formatting request: Have you considered placing quoted material in plain text with quotes rather than ital? James Wolcott's blog works this way, and it makes it much easier to read while still distinguishing his material from quotes. I'm much more inclined to read his quoted material than yours, solely because of formatting.
Posted by: Jason Dewees at June 9, 2006 02:08 PM
Is there some reason, David, why the comments to your blog seem to be more irrational than those to, say, thewashingtonnote.com? I've always regarded you as a careful journalist, but your blog seems to attract extremes from both the left and the right.
Posted by: Ian Kaplan at June 9, 2006 02:11 PM
Robert @ 14
"Anyway, in the San Diego primary, R's outspent D's two to one. The GOPher's did hold the seat, but by a margin that in now way reflects the make-up of the district. San Diego is a long way from San Fransico in more ways than geography."
Actually, Robert, the percentage of the vote the woman received was almost exactly the percentage that Al Gore and John Kerry received. Look it up.
Posted by: Factchecker at June 9, 2006 02:15 PM
FatChunker,
While what YOU said may well be true... It has nothing to do with what you quoted Robert as writing.
Comprehension is important, Boyd!
Posted by: Hajji at June 9, 2006 02:18 PM
Mr. Kaplan
This started as the Bushlies.com site. This can attract many who, as documented in the Downing Street Memos and other evidence, agree with that proposition.
It can also attract a number who disagree with that proposition.
You haven't stated precisely what you call irrational, but one is given to suspect that you find an intensly partisan approach as irrational.
For myself, I find the deliberate dismissal of fact to be irrational. And argue to the fullest.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 9, 2006 02:20 PM
I actually enjoy the italics. Too lazy to do it myself, though. Without the italics, another color, smaller font or squeezed margin might work.
Doesn't really make it any more or less "readable" to me,though.
Posted by: Hajji at June 9, 2006 02:22 PM
David,
From the American Thinker:
"[Corn's] theme was helped along by a story circulated by NBC News that prior to the war, the Bush Administration failed to attack and kill the terrorist mastermind:
In June 2002, U.S. officials say intelligence had revealed that Zarqawi and members of al-Qaida had set up a weapons lab at Kirma, in northern Iraq, producing deadly ricin and cyanide.
The Pentagon quickly drafted plans to attack the camp with cruise missiles and airstrikes and sent it to the White House, where, according to U.S. government sources, the plan was debated to death in the National Security Council.
Here we had targets, we had opportunities, we had a country willing to support casualties, or risk casualties after 9/11 and we still didnÕ´ do it, said Michael O'Hanlon, military analyst with the Brookings Institution.
The story points out that the military had drawn up strike plans 3 different times to take out ZarqawiÕ³ lab but was blocked each time by a White House who believed that any military action would undercut their efforts to build a coalition to take out Saddam's whole rotten regime.
Still spinning furiously, the left advanced the theory that Bush's rush to war prevented us from killing Zarqawi in 2002. Leaving aside the notion that killing the terrorist at his lab would have been any more successful than President Clinton's efforts to kill Osama Bin Laden by bombing his training camp in Afghanistan, one notices the flip-flop by the left immediately; if Saddam had no ties to terrorists, how is it possible that we missed anyone? And if he did indeed have ties to terrorist groups, doesn't that justify the invasion and subsequent liberation of Iraq?
If I were you, I wouldn't say any of that too loudly in the presence of a liberal. His head is likely to explode."
David - an answer, please?
Posted by: factchecker at June 9, 2006 02:22 PM
#37,
Alas, miscomprehension is stock in trade.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 9, 2006 02:26 PM
Ian, Whats not to love about this site? If you get to see the extreme right and left in action (both of which are readily available on this blog), then you can check you're own middle-of-the-road approach against those extremes. And it's also useful for pulling up when you're sitting around with your friends and laughing, "check out this moron, bro". And to be honest, the left extreme here leaves links which at least gives you the chance to make your own decision, but the right just runs their mouth....entertainment all the way around! For FREE!
Posted by: citizen x at June 9, 2006 02:26 PM
Dear Mr. Corn,
Thank you for pointing out yet another of the tactical errors that the we have come to expect from the Bush Administration. The death of Zarquawi should have been treated as a minor news item. The president foolishly elevated his status in the world of islamic extremism by giving him the honor of a presidential news briefing. His death should have been reported by a colonel, not a general, not Rumsfeld, and especially not the President of the United States.
Posted by: True Patriot at June 9, 2006 02:30 PM
Hajji,
Children, when they are infants, often have a hard time pronouncing people's names, ergo the bastardization of such in their language.
Hajji, are you a child, or just childish?
As far as what Robert said or didn't say, let's let him respond.
Posted by: factchecker at June 9, 2006 02:31 PM
I think this is bullshyt...
Actually, Robert, the percentage of the vote the woman received was almost exactly the percentage that Al Gore and John Kerry received. Look it up.
Seems I remember them saying that district has 50,000 more registered repugs than dems. I also remember reading that bush won that district by 20+points, so a 5-pt win by the new repug doesn't bode well at all for the GOP.
Posted by: Alan at June 9, 2006 02:42 PM
Factchecker, try not to fall off your high horse, you might blunt your pointy little head.
Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 02:42 PM
"Look it up."
Posted by: Factless at June 9, 2006 02:15 PM
Look it up? From someone who calls himself "factchecker." Indeed, irony lives and breathes in the conservative movement.
Busby lost by fewer than 5,000 votes in a district where no Democrat has come within 50,000 votes of winning since the district was gerrymandered following the 2000 census and where Republicans had 50,000 more voters registered than Dems.
Did you find anything on the Gorelick memo? I'm still waiting.
"but, personal attacks and innuendo are administered ad infinitum."
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 9, 2006 01:13 PM
Isn't it sad? That's what has become of the Conservative movement. The state of the Republic, the advancement of the middle and lower class, the perpetual investigation - arrest - conviction of the Republican leaders, the jihadi playground in Iraq ... none of these things matter to Conservatives. They're happy with the lies, talking points and criminal class that their party relies on.
This is why I actually enjoy having the 3 stooges around One lies, one cries and the other can't tell fact from fiction. The rest of us just get to giggle and guffaw over the tripe these conservative ignoramuses post.
Germany scores big and gets by the Ticos 4-2. The German defense was horrible. The Costa Rican defense was worse.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 9, 2006 02:42 PM
Seems like I remember bush's win margin was 23 pts. The article was noting that an 18-pt difference now (23 minus 5) is lookin' baaaaad! for the torturin' party.
look that up factboy
Posted by: Alan at June 9, 2006 02:51 PM
FartChoker,
"O come now, Child of JesseÕs family tree, and save us from our enemies..."
Is masturbation "inner" child abuse?
Posted by: Hajji at June 9, 2006 02:53 PM
Bilderberg-bound filmmaker held at airport
Laura Payton Ottawa Citizen
Thursday, June 08, 2006
Canadian authorities detained an American activist filmmaker at the Ottawa airport late Wednesday night, confiscating his passport, camera equipment and most of his belongings.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada agents stopped Alex Jones, whose films include Martial Law 9/11: The Rise of the Police State, and questioned him for nearly four hours before letting him go with only one change of clothes and telling him to return Thursday morning.
It's really chilling, like a police state, said Mr. Jones of his detention.
Mr. Jones and his crew, camera operators Ryan Schlickeisen and Aaron Dykes, travelled to Canada to film a documentary about the Bilderberg group, a secretive group of former politicians and business leaders who are meeting in Ottawa this week.
Ah yes the long arm of the right wing extends to the north. Bildabug Bastards!
Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 03:06 PM
"Still spinning furiously, the left advanced the theory that Bush's rush to war prevented us from killing Zarqawi in 2002."
Straw man humpitation from the right. Again? With Kirma being in the semi-autonomous region of Iraq controlled by the Kurds and protected by a no-fly zone. There wasn't much to stop the bombing. Remember how bombing sorties ramped up right before the war? No really. Look it up. LOL.
Leaving aside the notion that killing the terrorist at his lab would have been any more successful than President Clinton's efforts to kill Osama Bin Laden by bombing his training camp in Afghanistan, one notices the flip-flop by the left immediately"
Nope. People on the left were merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the right in claiming that Big Dawg blundered by trying to bomb a camel tent in Afghanistan. If Al-Zarqawi was the terrorist mastermind that the White House made him out to be; he should have been a prime target. If he wasn't, it was all hype. But don't try to explain that to Conservatives. Hypocrisy is all the rage in the Grand Orangejumpsuit Party.
"if Saddam had no ties to terrorists, how is it possible that we missed anyone? And if he did indeed have ties to terrorist groups, doesn't that justify the invasion and subsequent liberation of Iraq?"
Posted by: factless at June 9, 2006 02:22 PM
"Terrorists" operating in a zone where Saddam had no pop, without any cooperation from him is a sign of his "ties to terrorists?" By that logic he had ties to the mullahs in Iran.
And if the hype about Zarqawi was BS, well, that's OK too; because according to the GOP, lies help them sleep at night.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 9, 2006 03:09 PM
Someone is in denial!!!!
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 12:24 PM
One more exclamation point and I'll start to believe his assertions.
Someday you will wake up from this nighmare of denial
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 12:24 PM
Ah, thank you Dr. Freud. Ah, the proverbial nightmare of denial. I'm having a nightmare, no I'm not. This is a nightmare:I dont know if I'm in denial or if I'm not. I thought I was having a nightmare but I'm probably in denial that I'm not. I'm having a delightful dream. . .or am I just in denial that I'm having a nightmare. Either I am in denial or its just a river in Egypt.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 03:14 PM
Quit frigging spoofing as me- David has warned you about spoofing dickhead!
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 12:26 PM
I don't consider you a dickhead. I think you're asshole but if you prefer dickhead, I'll go with that.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 03:17 PM
And to be honest, the left extreme here leaves links which at least gives you the chance to make your own decision, but the right just runs their mouth....
Posted by: citizen x at June 9, 2006 02:26 PM
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 03:24 PM
This is why I actually enjoy having the 3 stooges around One lies, one cries and the other can't tell fact from fiction.
LBH, Happy and Fatcheker. Am I right? If so, do I win the FIFA soccer ball signed by the captain of the Brazialian soccer team?
Germany scores big and gets by the Ticos 4-2. The German defense was horrible. The Costa Rican defense was worse.
Much of the game was controlled by the German team in their offensive end. Do you see some chicnks in the armor Pande?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 03:30 PM
Having a bad day?
Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 03:53 PM
Someone is in denial!!!!
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 12:24 PM
One more exclamation point and I'll start to believe his assertions.
By O Rielly
!
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 03:57 PM
LBH, Happy and Fatcheker. Am I right? If so, do I win the FIFA soccer ball signed by the captain of the Brazialian soccer team?
By
No but I'm sure the pres. of Iran would love to sign your little soccer ball in recogintion of all the support you corn-nuts give terrorists!
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 04:02 PM
Pande writes:
This is why I actually enjoy having the 3 stooges around One lies, one cries and the other can't tell fact from fiction.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Better to be one of the three stooges than one of the broke back mountain boys, like Pande &
O Reilly. One's a giver and one's a receiver, but they both know it's wrong. Which one are you Pande?
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 04:07 PM
Is there some reason, David, why the comments to your blog seem to be more irrational than those to, say, thewashingtonnote.com ?
oh as if! a lame attempt at promotion of a site that gets an average of 1 comment per thread.
Posted by: still here? at June 9, 2006 04:08 PM
More about Alex Jones,
Alex Jones and his team were detained by Canadian immigration on orders of the Bilderberg Group for a 15 hour nightmare of interrogation, accusations and threats of arrests in anticipation of the conference in Ottawa which starts today.
The group was detained at 11:45pm last night and only released after 2pm today.
Customs openly told Alex as soon as they brought him into custody that the Bilderberg Group was aware of his arrival and that this was the reason for his detainment. All three members of the team were instantly detained despite going through different immigration desks.
More here
Maybe they think no one knows they run the entire world or something. Why would they have any reason to fear being discovered for the evil empire they are?Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 04:08 PM
If homophobia was a crime you'd be convicted pillowbiter.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 04:10 PM
If homophobia was a crime you'd be convicted pillowbiter.
By O Relly
Sorry dude, but you freak me out talking about my asshole and dickhead in the same sentence.
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 04:17 PM
Corn-nut spin machine on CA vote: We lost, but we won, because we lost~~~~~Huh?
If you ever had to wonder about why so many people think the Democratic Party has gone completely insane, look no further than the California spin machine insanity!
After losing to Republican Brian Bilbray in California to replace the criminally convicted "Duke Cunningham," liberal Democrat Francine Busby said:
"We've sent a message that there are no safe seats" ... Americans "really want change."
In spite of the media talking heads trying to help spin this LOSS into a "win," let's take a good, close look at the psychotic Democratic Party. Somehow the Democratic Party has become so completely perverted, almost deranged in their thinking, that a loss is now a win.
And let's take a close look at the background of what SHOULD have actually been an "easy" win for Ms. Busby and the Democratic Party:
1. Former (R) Duke Cunningham was criminally convicted and had to leave his seat.
2. Ms. Busby, the beloved hope of the Democratic Party, attempted to play the "culture of corruption" card against her opponent.
3. Her platform also included the typical Democrat marketing spin to take more of what is yours and expand government through more taxation.
4. Ms. Busby, and the Democratic Party's
Ms. Busby, like so many other Democrats, is wishy-washy at best on securing America's borders from illegal immigration.
This was contrasted with a clear message from Busby's Republican challenger Bilbray. He stood on reducing government, reducing taxes and securing the borders.
Bilbray had a number of obstacles to overcome: the conviction of Cunningham; liberal California politics; Busby's call for Illegal Alien Vote fraud; the Democratic Party support: and the National Media machine hyping the race, the win is an AMAZING harbinger of things to come.
Posted by: LBH` at June 9, 2006 04:33 PM
Way back when....I read newspapers and magazines knowing that there was a bias. That was understood. But I assumed that with that bias came clear and honest facts. I took it for granted that the dishonesty came from perhaps omitting a fact. I also remember feeling that if a journalist was dishonest in his craft his credentials were mud.
With people like Ben Johnson and David Horowitz it's a game. They don't understand the seriousness of the business. I NEED real news. I NEED honest answers. I NEED to know that the more conservative readers get real news and honest answers. I don't mind the bias but I do mind the dishonesty.
And then we have O'Shilly and Ann Coulter. People in this country consider them journalists. All they're doing is spreading lies, manipulated facts, distortions, cruel warped justifications and talking points from a fanatic group of bent, power hungry, money grabbing losers. Because these fanatics are tainting everything they have been given the power to touch we are all damaged by it.
Thank you Ben Johnson and David Horowitz, Ann Coulter, Bill O'shilly, Hannity, John Gibson and all the rest of you freaks.
Honest debate is part of democracy. This fanatical wing is grinding that part of democracy into pulp. That is their job. They love doing it because it's making them rich in the process. Ann Coulter doesn't care what she says as long as it sells books and keeps her agenda alive. The minute this message starts to smell so much the public can't tolarate it the gig is up. The con is over. Curtains down.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 04:39 PM
You can always tell when LBH cuts and pastes (and without attribution, I might add) because the misspellings and poor grammar magically disappear.
Posted by: Don at June 9, 2006 04:49 PM
LBH,
You are disgusting. Your comments are intended to do one of two things. 1. You come here to do nothing more than relieve your latent tendencies. or 2. You can't compete in an honest intelligent way so you bring the blog down to your level. I might add, I can't even describe what your level is. It would be too insulting to human or animal to connect anyone or anything to you in anyway. Post political your BS if you want but keep your sexual comments to yourself.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 04:52 PM
DEN, are you going to see Alex in LA? Being harrassed by the bilderberg goon squad makes me more determined then ever, assuming of course that he can get past LAX!
Posted by: Saladin at June 9, 2006 04:54 PM
It takes more then LBH to bring the blog down to that level.
Posted by: Saladin at June 9, 2006 04:55 PM
Jeanne, what you and I are witnessing is profound lack of personal honor in the government, press, and people. Without honor there is no trust, without trust we have what is happening today.
Can you trust the press to report fairly and accurately? Can you trust the government to work diligently to protect citizens interests? Can you trust anyone you do not personally know?
We are the frogs in the frypan, slowly the lies are turned up bit by bit, pretty soon everything you were taught about trust is gone and you are left what you see today.
Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 04:58 PM
The traditional media are reading your blogs. The politicians and their staff are reading your comments and your diaires. They hear you, they hear us.
.......dailykos.com
indeed? it doesn't matter what any mcmedia politico thinks to him/herself as they see/hear what john Q really feels and wants. it is only what that mcmedia politico presents or ignores that matters.
Posted by: still here? at June 9, 2006 05:01 PM
Per the Bilbray/Busby buzz.
the Democrats improved their turnout but did not win the election, however.
Aren't they both going to be running again in 6 months?
If Busby wins, will the Bushbots get all "doom and gloom" about the results?
Considering Busby's votes cost around $37/per versus Bilbray's at $74/per the Democrats proved once again that they are more frugal than the Republicans.
They can be better trusted to handle the nation's financial matters as the Republicans are now the party of spend and spend more.
Posted by: Turdblossom at June 9, 2006 05:08 PM
Sal, I wo'nt be able to get loose from work to see him. Ever wonder why there are no terrorist attacks at the Bilderbug conventions. I heard Zaraqi was scratched off the list of attendees at the last minute.
Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 05:10 PM
DEN, I never wonder why terrorists don't attack themselves, that would defeat the purpose, right? ;-)
Posted by: Saladin at June 9, 2006 05:14 PM
TB, both parties have proven quite conclusively that they can't even balance their own checkbook much less a national budget. Saying the dems are better is not saying anything at all!
Posted by: Saladin at June 9, 2006 05:17 PM
framed portraits! get your framed portraits here!
he looks remarkably well groomed for a dead terrorist. ha ha!
Posted by: still here? at June 9, 2006 05:17 PM
#76
Especially one who had 2 500 pound bombs fall on him. This reminds me of the photos of the bad boys in the old west.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 05:23 PM
BREAKING NEWS:
It was not a tip that led them to Zarqawi, he applied for retirement benefits at the ministry of retired terrorists and left his address.
HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 05:25 PM
Sal--agreed they both have scumbags in them.
One just more so than the other by a wide margin, the same one who used to tout fiscal responsibility yet spends our money like drunken sailors.
No offense meant to the drunken sailors.
Posted by: Turdblossom at June 9, 2006 05:28 PM
Ok, this is going to piss off the youth. It's going to get ugly. They will never ever trust government again.
Pentagon sets its sights on social networking websites
"I AM continually shocked and appalled at the details people voluntarily post online about themselves." So says Jon Callas, chief security officer at PGP, a Silicon Valley-based maker of encryption software. He is far from alone in noticing that fast-growing social networking websites such as MySpace and Friendster are a snoop's dream.
New Scientist has discovered that Pentagon's National Security Agency, which specialises in eavesdropping and code-breaking, is funding research into the mass harvesting of the information that people post about themselves on social networks. And it could harness advances in internet technology - specifically the forthcoming "semantic web" championed by the web standards organisation W3C - to combine data from social networking websites with details such as banking, retail and property records, allowing the NSA to build extensive, all-embracing personal profiles of individuals.
....By adding online social networking data to its phone analyses, the NSA could connect people at deeper levels, through shared activities, such as taking flying lessons. Typically, online social networking sites ask members to enter details of their immediate and extended circles of friends, whose blogs they might follow. People often list other facets of their personality including political, sexual, entertainment, media and sporting preferences too. Some go much further, and a few have lost their jobs by publicly describing drinking and drug-taking exploits. Young people have even been barred from the orthodox religious colleges that they are enrolled in for revealing online that they are gay.
"You should always assume anything you write online is stapled to your resume. People don't realise you get Googled just to get a job interview these days," says Callas.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 05:35 PM
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (CNN) -- -- As I stood talking into a camera on a remote airstrip in Kandahar, a Predator drone circled the sky, putting me into its sights with its high-precision cameras -- and just a trigger away from being turned into the charred remains of a Hellfire missile.
About 8,000 miles away, someone at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada could look at me through the Predator's zoom lens and determine whether I should live or die. I could not see the Predator or hear it, but I could imagine how it must feel in the control box at Nellis when a high-value target is in their sights.
Wicked weapons indeed, no place to hide from the infra-red technology. Welcome to the nightmare called Predator. More Big Brother stuff here.
Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 05:37 PM
effin ha!
Posted by: still here? at June 9, 2006 05:38 PM
This could get Dems a lot of votes for House seats.
Murtha plans run for Majority Leader
Now anti-war veteran Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) has announced that he intends to run against current Minority Whip Steny Hoyer for Majority Leader if the Democrats win the House this fall, Roll Call is reporting.
Excerpts from the Roll Call story follow:
It has long been assumed that Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (Md.) would simply move up to Majority Leader under a Democratic majority, with Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) claiming the Speaker's gavel. Hoyer and Pelosi waged a bitter leadership fight in 2001, which Pelosi won by a 23-vote margin.
Murtha is one of Pelosi's top allies in the House, one of the architects of her 2001 victory over Hoyer. Earlier this week, Hoyer publicly pledged his loyalty to Pelosi, saying that he wants her to lead the Democrats whether they win or lose this fall.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 05:40 PM
i meant effin ha! 78
Posted by: still here? at June 9, 2006 05:41 PM
Surely no one party has failed us, both fail all of us, sorely. Could Bush and Kerry really be the best this country has to offer?
The houses can posture and pose but the end result speaks to failure of representation all around (War, Patriot Act, etc.)
The has been a complete disconnect between the people and our so called representatives. They cannot simultaneously represent the people and protect their positions, line their pockets, and run their re-election campaign.
The system has them in a compromising position where the only right thing is political survival - the truth political suicide.
Getting corporate money out of politics would be a good start but they have influence to keep influence. They bought it fair and square and will not give it up no matter how bad is might be for the whole country. Profit has no loyalties and no pride. Profit cannot compete with other amoral corporations by being moral.
UGH
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 05:48 PM
"Truth always rests with the minority, and the minority is always stronger than the majority, because the minority is generally formed by those who really have an opinion, while the strength of a majority is illusory, formed by the gangs who have no opinion -- and who, therefore, in the next instant (when it is evident that the minority is the stronger) assume its opinion ... while Truth again reverts to a new minority.": -- Soren Kierkegaard - (1813-1855) Danish philosopher
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"Always stand on principle, even if you stand alone.": - John Quincy Adams - (1767-1848) 6th US President
===
Thanks ICH Newsletter!
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 05:54 PM
#85
Capt,
I was thinking the same thing. We have to demand good candidates. And that means getting involved. People need to find out who their candidates are and be there at their caucus. They need to be there to meet the candidates at gatherings and ask questions. Demand accountability. If the candidates know the citizens are paying attention they will be mindful of that. Especially after this next election. This election isn't just going to be about who loses but also who wins. There are going to be people elected to congress who are going to demand more of their government. They are not going to be lapdogs. The people elected will know they have a mission. I see good things.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 05:58 PM
The fact is that most of the posters here just hate it when America has any success. For you to win, America has to lose.
You would rather see the terrorists succeed than for George Bush and America to win.
Every liberal qualifies his endorsement with, "...Zarqawi..success, but...".
How about from just one of you, "We don't know what this will portend, but the killing of this butcher is a great thing for America and Iraq." Actually, Pandemoniac did say that yesterday before his evil side kicked in.
Again, I'm sure Julius and Ethel thought they were patriots, too, just like you folks do.
Hey, did you notice that "traitor" is almost a perfect anagram for "patriot"?
Posted by: factchecker at June 9, 2006 06:13 PM
and i have no doubt that wallace and ladmo thought they were checking facts as well.
Posted by: still here? at June 9, 2006 06:15 PM
The Nazi American Way
Dear Cornposters:
This is the sixth Gerald Doctrine. This doctrine tries to compile the essence and manifest destiny of Nazi America that is now totally complete. I have divided this doctrine into three parts, Nazi America, bushianity, and conclusion.
Nazi America
Here are the fourteen characteristics that are necessary for a Nazi nation. America currently possesses all fourteen characteristics.
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
5. Rampant sexism
6. A controlled mass media
7. Obsession with national security
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together
9. Power of corporations protected
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts
12. Obsession with crime and punishment
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
14. Fraudulent elections
There should be no doubt in anyway in the people's minds that America is a fascist nation. Rapidly the self-implosion and destruction of America are starting to take hold. America is no longer America but she is now called Nazi America.
Bushianity
Bushianity is Nazi America's religion. Nazi America has turned her back on Christianity and she has embraced the eight pillars of bushianity. These eight pillars of faith are hatred, murders, torture, war crimes, corruption, decadence, greed, and lies. Nazi America is completely under the control of bushianity.
Conclusion
I have concluded that Nazi America is a very evil and a very vile nation.
Sincerely,
Gerald
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 06:16 PM
BREAKING NEWS:
It was not a tip that led them to Zarqawi, he applied for retirement benefits at the ministry of retired terrorists and left his address.
By Capt
~~~~~~~~~~
He should have applied at the DNC for benefits and could have avoided this.
Ha!
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 06:19 PM
If Busby wins, will the Bushbots get all "doom and gloom" about the results?
Considering Busby's votes cost around $37/per versus Bilbray's at $74/per the Democrats proved once again that they are more frugal than the Republicans.
They can be better trusted to handle the nation's financial matters as the Republicans are now the party of spend and spend more.
By Turdblossom
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Considering that Bugsby was caught on tape soliciting illegal aliens for votes in exchange for free benefits, of course this would be less expensive. Duh!
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 06:24 PM
American Soldiers
2,788 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his lies.
18,500+ American soldiers have been maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his evil lies.
45,000+ American soldiers are suffering from PTSD.
Over 350,000+ Iraqis have been killed in Iraq since Bush declared shock and awe bombings on March 19, 2003.
Contamination from depleted uranium may have affected 125,000+ American soldiers and several million Iraqis.
Are you feeling more safe and secure with Bush in the WH and Cheney as his chief hatchet man overseeing Nazi America and her citizens?
Our military men and women are used as cannon fodder for a terrorist Nazi American government.
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, AND NEITHER DO WE. George W. Bush, August 5, 2005
Rigged elections doom American democracy. American soldiers are being killed and maimed TO PROMOTE A NAZI AMERICAN STATE.
Henry Kissinger says that military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.
Nazi America is a mirror image of Hitler Bush.
Nazi Americans continually justify sin.
Nazi Americans are accomplices with Bush for his murders and war crimes.
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 06:25 PM
LBH,
You are disgusting.
By Jeanne
I love you too honey buckets.
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 06:30 PM
Does anyone know when the reinstatement of the military draft will commence?
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 06:30 PM
The 3 stooges and their 3 most prominent traits: lies, hypocrisy and failure.
Let's start with failure:
The long-standing Republican drive to permanently abolish the federal estate tax came up short in the Senate on Thursday, the latest in a string of defeats for key elements of the GOP agenda. [...]
Last month, a Republican-sponsored bill to limit jury awards in medical malpractice lawsuits failed in the Senate. On Wednesday, a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage -- a key priority for social conservatives, who are influential within the GOP -- was blocked. Similarly, a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning is expected to be debated -- and then shunted aside -- later this month.
"The conservative base will appreciate the fact that we are trying," Lott said.
Awww, how cute! Whether it's Frist or Lott, the conservatives, who are in the majority, just can't get the job done.
Let's move on to hypocrisy:
"English-language visitors to www.ricksantorum.com encountered a home page filled with concern about the "amnesty-ridden proposal" the U.S. Senate adopted to deal with illegal immigration."
"But a section of the site for Spanish readers made no mention of amnesty in its discourse on immigration. Nor did it refer to "rewarding criminal behavior" of illegal immigrants, as the English version did."
There's a special GOP cocktail for ya': a little dishonesty sprinkled in with the hypocrisy. Whatever happened to the "English only" proposition? Oh, that's right, first they need to nominate a Preznit who speaks the English language as well and as fluently as we Latinos do.
How bout some lies from the moral values crowd?
Coulter's new book about liberals being Godless, well, it turns out she's not the good Christian that she claims to be.
More lies from the right. Catapulting propaganda straight from the Mooney Times.
Let's throw in a new trait just for Clueless since he's in rare form today: Wacko numbskull.
Republican Ney has fallen into a loony funk. He flipped out on the media.
But if there's one thing you can always count on from the borrow and spend Conservatives, its the steady flow of cash from the special interest groups.
Sorry for the typos and flippy links. I'm typing left-handed with a sleeping baby in my arms.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 9, 2006 06:34 PM
How about from just one of you, "We don't know what this will portend, but the killing of this butcher is a great thing for America and Iraq."
hmmm. i dont know what this will portend, but the PR value of the killing of this butcher doesnt seem to be working out as well as heroic bushco would like to pretend. sorry thats as close as i can get to what you asked for.
Posted by: still here? at June 9, 2006 06:34 PM
David,
In your very first counterpunch to Ben Johnson, you remind us all that "In discussing what the Zarqawi death might mean to al Qaeda, I was quoting Bruce Hoffman, a well-known terrorism expert at the Rand Corporation (hardly a bastion of the Left)."
So you did! And Mr. Johnson did seem to have used "sly hand". But, but, but.....Let's think about this more closely.......
When you (presumably) and I quote/cut-n-paste someone, it is usually in a For or Against context. Clearly, you were in the `For' camp as far as Bruce's saying Osama and al-Zawahiri "...have been spared a competitor for attention and handed a martyr..."
Because of Hoffman's (Right wing) Rand Corp. ties, you used a much more discreet bit of "sly hand" to quote him saying what you wanted to say all along!
Anyway, I don't mean to be harsh (on you) since most people will use this kind of (totally legitimate) tactic; and most of the time, will get away with it! Similarly, Ben Johnson's transgression (on this one) is rather minor even if he didn't specifically identify where you were leveraging your "wackiness" from.
Posted by: Happy enjoys Wackiness at June 9, 2006 06:34 PM
From Paul Craig Roberts' article, War Criminal Nation
Bush supporters dismiss anyone who tells them the truth as a traitor. Bush supporters are as dependent on propaganda as substance abusers are on drugs and alcohol. Try weaning Bush supporters from the obvious lies that are the basis of this administration, and they will call you every name in the book.
They are proud to be Americans. Lies and war crimes are an American right.
And you had better shut up or those Haliburton-built concentration camps will be your new home.
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 06:35 PM
95- Does anyone know when the reinstatement of the military draft will commence?
not until after iran terrorizes us with a treacherous false-flag terror attack.
Posted by: still here? at June 9, 2006 06:37 PM
Jeanne,
#87
"If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates." ~ Jay Leno (1950 - )
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 06:42 PM
#96
You know what's really scary? When these Republicans get ass kicked out of congress they're going to become lobbyists.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 06:44 PM
#98
Market's down.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 06:47 PM
Pande still opines his cornfusion:
I know we lost, but a loss is a win, isn't it?
I'd watch out attacking Ann Coulter like that she might might just bitch slap you out of that progressive denial train you've been aboard.
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 06:48 PM
I declare LBH the funniest on the Corn Blog!
We know Cornuts can't admit it but LBH is The King! Long live the King!
Nunya, are you out there? Join us, we've got room for lots more wackiness; especailly on weekends when new threads are NOT assured!
Posted by: Happy to Laugh at June 9, 2006 06:51 PM
Yo Pande,
since you brought it up about special interest groups, how about your buddies at MoveOn that got turned down for spreading lies?
Jun 8, 10:58 PM EDT
Ohio Cable Network Pulls MoveOn.org Ad
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- A TV station and a cable network are refusing to run an ad sponsored by a liberal activist group that targets Republican U.S. Rep. Deborah Pryce because of questions about material the group provided to back up the ad's claims.
The group MoveOn.org is spending $300,000 on ads targeting Pryce and other lawmakers. The ads say they accepted thousands of dollars in donations from defense contractors and then "opposed penalties for contractors like Halliburton who overcharged the military in Iraq."
Tom Griesdorn, president and general manager of WBNS-TV, said the station didn't air the ad because its attorneys "did not feel comfortable with the documentation provided by Moveon.org," he said.
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 06:53 PM
Yo Pande,
kind of reminds you of Dan Rather doesn't it?
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 06:54 PM
103
#98 Market's down.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 06:47 PM
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Yeah, BBFFJW (Big Bad First Full June Week)!!!!
I'm getting itchy to commit my $ Reserves! But, a busy week prevented me from strategizing! Maybe I'll just load up on 4-Qs' next week. Sorry, james, can't buy 4-Squares in volume!
Posted by: Happy in Party Mood at June 9, 2006 06:58 PM
From Paul Craig Roberts' article, The Evil Is In Our Government
Wasn't it evil for the US to bomb Iraq for a decade and to embargo medicines for children? When US Secretary of State M. Albright was asked if she thought an embargo that resulted in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was justified, she replied, "yes."
The former terrible tyrant ruler of Iraq, Saddam Hussein, is on trial for killing 150 people. The US government murdered 500,000 Iraqi children prior to Bush's invasion. When the US government murders people, whether Serbs, Branch Davidians at Waco, or Iraqi women and children, it is "collateral damage." But we put Saddam Hussein on trial for putting down rebellions.
Gentle reader, do you believe that the Bush Regime will not shoot you down in the streets if you have a rebellion?
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 07:00 PM
Congressional Conservatives Quietly Strip Provision That Prohibited Permanent Bases In Iraq
Reuters reports that conservatives are quietly backtracking from their earlier stance against permanent base construction in Iraq:
Congressional Republicans killed a provision in an Iraq war funding bill that would have put the United States on record against the permanent basing of U.S. military facilities in that country, a lawmaker and congressional aides said on Friday.
As ThinkProgress noted last month, the Senate acted to unanimously pass an amendment to the supplemental spending bill that clearly stated that none of the appropriated funds should be used for permanent base construction. In March, Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) wrote on ThinkProgress that the House had unanimously accepted her amendment prohibiting permanent base construction.
....It appears that conservatives caved to pressure from the administration.
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The Iraqis really want to know that American forces are going to be there permenantly. Bad plan. Bad.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 07:00 PM
Oh, that's right, first they need to nominate a Preznit who speaks the English language as well and as fluently as we Latinos do.
By Pande
OK, lie number 2000 now from Pande. "as fluently as we Latinos do"
If only I had a dollar for every Latino customer I've turned away because they couldn't speak English.
I wish the hell you Latinos could speak English then every time I called an 800# I wouldn't be asked to push 1 for English or 2 for Spanish.
Talk about clueless-
Dude, slow that denial train down, it's a going a little to fast for ya.
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 07:06 PM
gop.com
Posted by: still here? at June 9, 2006 07:07 PM
A Great Article To Read
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 07:08 PM
GOrPS.agh is an agh website for GOrPS or GOP who go around smelling girls' bicycle seats.
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 07:12 PM
Specter's Blanket Amnesty on the NSA scandal
The Republicans fall all over themselves when the word amnesty is used so I wonder how they will take this news. That's a joke and so is Specter. He's got his rubber stamp ready to go.
Anyone involved in the current secret NSA spying program without a court order would be given blanket Amnesty.-very courageous Senator Specter. Why would they need amnesty if what they are doing is legal?--It boggles what's left of my mind.
link
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 07:18 PM
John McCain gives al-Qaeda strategic advice
MCCAIN: I think that it will remove a very important propaganda tool, a person who has probably served as a real effective recruiter. But, Larry, I want to caution if I were the al Qaeda people right now I would be planning a lot of attacks in the next few days and weeks to show that his removal really didn't affect them but it does affect them. It's very important. And, I think it can give us some hope for progress, which I think we have to make and are making.
Thanks for encouraging al Qaeda to begin killing more people.
Link
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 07:20 PM
New Constitutional Amendments
Dear Cornposters:
This is the fifth Gerald Doctrine. I will discuss new constitutional amendments. We have heard talk about constitutional amendments for a gay marriage ban and the burning of the American flag.
I do not oppose new constitutional amendments. In fact I propose three new amendments.
I favor a new constitutional amendment that would protect marriage and family life by seeing to it that marriages and families have the financial resources to help make their lives viable. We can help marriages and families with no federal income taxes for a family income of $100,000 or less. Deductions for social security would still be necessary.
I also favor a new constitutional amendment for universal health care.
And, I also favor a new constitutional amendment for universal dental care.
I oppose constitutional amendments for the banning of gay marriages and flag burning.
On a personal note it does upset me that anyone would burn the American flag. However as I study our nation's history, I no longer have the NOT MY NATION SYNDROME. There are too many Americans who believe that our devil incarnate nation is good, holy, and saintly. When we study the History of the United States of America, we will soon realize that America is the most evil, vile, and corrupt nation in the world. The devil incarnate nation is a very evil nation. I cannot help but believe that we are a psycho nation.
Since we are such an evil nation, I can understand why some people would burn the American flag, shit on the flag, and wipe their ass with the flag.
Sincerely,
Gerald
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 07:21 PM
A new low -- the Senate seeks to "pardon" the President for past lawbreaking
by Glenn Greenwald
Observing and commenting on the behavior of Arlen Specter is one of the most unpleasant obligations a person can have, but for anyone following the NSA eavesdropping scandal specifically, and the Bush administration's abuses of executive power generally, it is a necessary evil. The principal reason that the Bush administration has been able to impose its radical theories of lawbreaking on the country is because Congress, with an unseemly eagerness, has permitted itself to be humiliated over and over by an administration which does not hide its contempt for the notion that Congress has any role to play in limiting and checking the executive branch. And few people have more vividly illustrated that institutional debasement than Arlen Specter, who, along with Pat Roberts, has done more than anyone else to ensure that Congress completely relinquishes its constitutional powers to the President.
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Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 07:22 PM
I oppose gay marriages but we cannot dictate morality. People have a free will and they will be held accountable for their actions and behavior.
Bush and his Nazi regime will not be given amnesty for their murders and war crimes. They will be held accountable before a higher power.
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 07:26 PM
They will be held accountable before a higher power.
By Gerald
As will we all my friend.
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 07:30 PM
When can I read more about LBH's nightmare train of denial?
LBH is a menace to the English language. He like Saddam, the butcher of Bagdad, should be hunted down and killed. Petition your representative to force Rumsfeld to put a $2 bounty on his head.
Wanted Dead of Alive:Boyd the butcher of English.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 07:31 PM
C'm on, cornposters! How are you going to break 500 this weekend if'n you'll don't post more?
Posted by: David B. Benson at June 9, 2006 07:42 PM
Power Grab
1. During the presidency of George W. Bush, the White House has made an unprecedented reach for power. It has systematically attempted to defy, control, or threaten the institutions that could challenge it: Congress, the courts, and the press. It has attempted to upset the balance of power among the three branches of government provided for in the Constitution; but its most aggressive and consistent assaults have been against the legislative branch: Bush has time and again said that he feels free to carry out a law as he sees fit, not as Congress wrote it. Through secrecy and contemptuous treatment of Congress, the Bush White House has made the executive branch less accountable than at any time in modern American history. And because of the complaisance of Congress, it has largely succeeded in its efforts.
This power grab has received little attention because it has been carried out largely in obscurity. The press took little notice until Bush, on January 5 of this year, after signing a bill containing the McCain amendment, which placed prohibitions on torture, quietly filed a separate pronouncement, a "signing statement," that he would interpret the bill as he wished. In fact Bush had been issuing such signing statements since the outset of his administration. The Constitution distinguishes between the power of the Congress and that of the president by stating that Congress shall "make all laws" and the president shall "take care that the laws be faithfully executed." Bush claims the power to execute the laws as he interprets them, ignoring congressional intent.
Grover Norquist, a principal organizer of the conservative movement who is close to the Bush White House and usually supports its policies, says, "If you interpret the Constitution's saying that the president is commander in chief to mean that the president can do anything he wants and can ignore the laws you don't have a constitution: you have a king." He adds, "They're not trying to change the law; they're saying that they're above the law and in the case of the NSA wiretaps they break it." A few members of Congress recognize the implications of what Bush is doing and are willing to speak openly about it. Dianne Feinstein, Democratic senator from California, talks of a "very broad effort" being made "to increase the power of the executive." Chuck Hagel, Republican senator from Nebraska, says:
There's a very clear pattern of aggressively asserting executive power, and the Congress has essentially been complicit in letting him do it. The key is that Bush has a Republican Congress; of course if it was a Clinton presidency we'd be holding hearings.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 07:59 PM
From article above.
2. It is under the authority of his powers as commander in chief that Bush asserted the right to keep nearly five hundred "enemy combatants" in detention in Guant?namo, of whom only ten were charged with a crime. Most were handed over by Afghan bounty hunters who were paid by the US to turn in Arabs. Bush has also asserted the same authority in dealing with numerous bills passed by Congress, most spectacularly in his treatment of the McCain amendment banning "cruel, inhuman or degraded treatment" of POWs. In his signing statement, Bush said:
The executive branch shall construe [the torture provision] in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judiciary....
...Another egregious use of the signing statements occurred when Bush said in March that, in interpreting the bill reauthorizing the Patriot Act, he would ignore the requirement that the president report to Congress on the steps taken to implement the law, thus denying that the executive should be accountable to Congress.
3. There is no way of knowing how many other laws already on the books are being reinterpreted by Bush, as he's done in the case of the NSA wiretapping program.
...The administration's wiretapping program appears to violate the Fourth Amendment's guarantee that "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause...."[3] The original impetus for the Bush program reportedly came from General Michael V. Hayden, then head of the National Security Agency, which collects information in the name of national security, and Bush's nominee to head the CIA. Hayden told a receptive White House that the NSA counsel had said the program was legal.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 08:07 PM
And finally,
James Madison wrote in Federalist Paper No. 47:
"The accumulation of all powers legislative, executive and judiciary in the same hands, whether of one, a few or many...may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny."
That extraordinary powers have, under Bush, been accumulated in the "same hands" is now undeniable. For the first time in more than thirty years, and to a greater extent than even then, our constitutional form of government is in jeopardy.
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The article is very long but good.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 08:08 PM
What exactly constitutes a butcher? The slaughtering of innocent people for political gain? Gosh, I know politicians that claimed to represent the "greatest" nation on earth who have been doing that all along, dems, repubs, it doesn't matter. FDR was one of the worst, allowing Pearl Harbor to be attacked to gain an excuse to enter a war he swore up and down he would keep us out of. clinton who murdered god only knows how many hundreds of thousands with his lies and embargos. reagan and South America, wilson and the Lusitania, johnson and the Tonkin Gulf, bushco and 9/11, need I go on? Butchers? Yes, let's talk about butchers.
Posted by: Saladin at June 9, 2006 08:08 PM
LBH is a menace to the English language. He like Saddam, the butcher of Bagdad, should be hunted down and killed. Petition your representative to force Rumsfeld to put a $2 bounty on his head.
Wanted Dead of Alive:Boyd the butcher of English.
By O Reilly
Damn, cornnut, don't put it out of range for yourself at $2. I wouldn't want you to go without your meds. But, then again, maybe thats the problem with you wack-jobs.
!!!!!!!!
Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 08:14 PM
Jeanne, I wish I had your confidence in politicians, but you see, it has died a most grisly death. The history of politics in this country is bloody and filled with lies and no end of scheming machinations. They never change, except for the worst. They all passed the patriot acts, what more needs to be said? They all allow our troops to be killed for lies, they go along to get along. pelosi and rockefellers knowledge of NSA spying 4 years ago, but keeping quiet to save their own ass is a perfect example of spineless, selfish traitors who don't give a fuck about this country, the constitution, or anything that threatens their personal careers. That's why we are doomed, because people keep voting for these assholes.
Posted by: Saladin at June 9, 2006 08:15 PM
Sal, ever wonder why whales beach themselves, dolphins too? I just found a very disturbing report of our illustrious military dumping chemical weapons into the oceans figuring they would be miraculously diluted, guess what, they were wrong. Read this PDF document. Sickening, literally.
Posted by: DEN at June 9, 2006 08:16 PM
Estate Tax Repeal Fails
So the wealthiest of the wealthy fail to capitalize on this administration's penchant to constantly kowtow to them.
As Atrios says: "A rare moment of sanity."
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 08:25 PM
DEN, they have no problem poisoning us, why would they care about whales and dolphins? They knew it wouldn't be diluted, what a crock.
Posted by: Saladin at June 9, 2006 08:30 PM
But, then again, maybe thats the problem with you wack-jobs.
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Posted by: LBH at June 9, 2006 08:14 PM
Eight exclamation points. How convincing.
Why would you spend so much time around people you describe as wack-jobs?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 08:31 PM
#128
Sal,
I guess I see people continue on. Every place on earth has tyrants come and go and the people pick themselves up and continue with their civilization. Not a country's civilization but the human civilization. It can be brutal yes, but it is also at times breath takingly brilliant. Maybe I'm waiting for the breath takingly brilliant. I believe that will come because it is in our nature just as the waves continue to crash upon the shore and the sun rises and the moon sets.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 08:36 PM
I wonder what the folks over at Time make of Ann Coulter's latest demented outburst. You?ll recall it was Time that celebrated her on its cover last year and tried to dress her up as a 'public intellectual,' cooing that readers could "trust [she] will speak from her heart."
It's helpful this week to keep in context Coulter's relationship with the mainstream media and not only the press' complete inability, for years, to call her right-wing rhetoric out for what it is - hate speech, but the media's insatiable need to promote Coulter as some sort of cultural icon.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 08:37 PM
War Criminal Nation
U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan have killed far more civilians than they have resistance fighters. Bush administration spokespersons are crowing that they have killed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in an air strike. But Zarqawi was an al-Qaeda leader, not a member of the Iraqi resistance. Zarqawi's death will have no affect on the outcome in Iraq.
Far more important is the news that civil war in Baghdad alone claimed 1,400 deaths last month. Perhaps even more important is the news that the Taliban's resurgence has forced the Bush administration to launch more than 750 air strikes in Afghanistan in May. That is 25 air strikes per day! It is a foregone conclusion that most of the casualties are women and children.
America is drowning in the shame of war crimes. One monstrous slaughter of civilians after another, each denied and covered up until brought to light by photos and eyewitnesses. The once proud U.S. Marines, unable to defeat the resistance that is picking them off one by one, is now a frustrated, demoralized force that is getting even by murdering 3-month old babies and old women.
The Council of Europe has issued its report on the Bush administration's policy of kidnapping "suspected terrorists" and spiriting them off to tyrannical regimes to be tortured. U.S. State Department spokesperson Sean McCormick, whose job it is to justify the criminal conduct of the Bush administration, said that he was "disappointed" in the report. Sean seemed genuinely puzzled that Europe's oldest political organization would second-guess the sound judgment of the virtuous Bush administration or protest U.S. violations of international law and human rights.
More HERE
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 08:39 PM
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it Ð always."
~ Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948)
"You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty."
~ Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948)
"Modern Man is the victim of the very instruments he values most. Every gain in power, every mastery of natural forces, every scientific addition to knowledge, has proved potentially dangerous, because it has not been accompanied by equal gains in self-understanding and self-discipline."
~ Lewis Mumford (1895 - 1990)
"It's utterly impossible for me to build my life on a foundation of chaos, suffering and death. I see the world being slowly transformed into a wilderness, I hear the approaching thunder that, one day, will destroy us too, I feel the suffering of millions. And yet, when I look up at the sky, I somehow feel that everything will change for the better, that this cruelty too shall end, that peace and tranquility will return once more."
~ Anne Frank (1929 - 1945), Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl, July 15, 1944
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 08:44 PM
Murray Waas breaks another explosive story:
Then-Attorney General John Ashcroft continued to oversee the Valerie Plame-CIA leak probe for more than two months in late 2003 after he learned in extensive briefings that FBI agents suspected White House aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby of trying to mislead the FBI to conceal their roles in the leak, according to government records and interviews.
Despite these briefings, which took place between October and December 2003, and despite the fact that senior White House aides might become central to the leak case, Ashcroft did not recuse himself from the matter until December 30, when he allowed the appointment of a special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, to take over the investigation. According to people with firsthand knowledge of the briefings, senior Justice Department officials told Ashcroft that the FBI had uncovered evidence that Libby, then chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, had misled the bureau about his role in the leaking of Plame's identity to the press."
Another aspect of this story that is bad news for Libby:
" Libby also told the FBI that a day or two before he spoke to Cooper and Miller, he was told about Plame by NBC Washington Bureau Chief Tim Russert. According to Libby's first FBI interview, which is summarized in the grand jury indictment of Libby that was handed up in October 2005: "During a conversation with Tim Russert on NBC News on July 10 or 11, 2003, Russert asked Libby if Libby was aware that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA; Libby responded to Russert that he did not know that, and Russert replied that all the reporters knew it." On July 12, 2003, Libby spoke with Miller and Cooper, telling them that Plame worked for the CIA."...read on
Russert has already said that Scooter called him complaining about a Hardball episode which had nothing to do with Plame.
(link)
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 08:46 PM
Oh boy.
COULTER VOTER FRAUD: New Admissions! Digging her Own Grave...
Denies Living in Palm Beach Which Means She Admits to Breaking Florida State Tax Law By Taking a $25k Homestead Exemption
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Hmmmm.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 08:53 PM
#138
I wonder if the Today show is going to do an indepth report on Ann Coulter's legal problems.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 09:00 PM
Cafferty: Specter's Blanket Amnesty on the NSA scandal
Cafferty: Anyone involved in the current secret NSA spying program without a court order would be given blanket Amnesty.-very courageous Senator Specter. Why would they need amnesty if what they are doing is legal?--It boggles what's ledt of my mind.
Will any of the Democrats take a stand against this new proposal?
Video included.
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Posted by: Jeanne at June 9, 2006 09:06 PM
POLITICAL CHATTER AFTER DARK
June 9, 2006 -- An influential Republican campaign organizer told WMR on background that the prospects for the Republicans are extremely bleak for November's election. He said the conservative GOP base is mad over the Bush administration's policies on immigration, spending, and, increasingly, on Iraq and oil prices. He based his comments on what he saw and heard during recent trips to California, Oklahoma, Texas, Mississippi, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Utah. This bloc of voters wants revenge against Bush, conceded the source. He said they will take their revenge by either voting for third party candidates of the Constitution or Libertarian parties or staying home on election day. Either way, the conservative base will eat into GOP majorities in swing and slightly safe districts, resulting in Democratic wins. The source cited one Dallas-based "Ranger" donor to Bush-Cheney in 2000 and 2004 who said he now hates George W. Bush and would kick his ass if given the opportunity.
More HERE
*****end of clip*****
The neocon landslides in November will be all the more miraculous!
They will say stuff like: "when people went into the booth they voted for the gay marriage ban and now Bush has a mandate"
I hope I am completely wrong.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 09:11 PM
whales and dolphins also beach themselves because the navy has a sonar so powerful it can be heard from one side of the atlantic to the other. this sonar damages their brains, a large portion of which is devoted to sending and receiving sonar of their own. it has been speculated that many of the whales and dolphins that beach themselves after having their brains damaged have done so on purpose, committing suicide. the damage to the whale/dolphin brains has been observed and documented from autopsies.
Posted by: still here? at June 9, 2006 09:23 PM
Extremely Low Frequency?
They say that ELF is a cause of beached whales too?
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 09:29 PM
ya elf and ulf - ultra low - i don't know which is lower
Posted by: still here? at June 9, 2006 09:38 PM
Ecuador finishes off Poland, 2-0. R.I.P. Peter, wherever you are. South American class shows off the shallow talent pool in the Euroqualies. There were some beautiful goals today and some funny bounces.
Yes, O'Reilly, Germany has some flaws. They are like the Americans, strong in the middle and brittle at both ends. History shows that whenever the tournament is in the Eastern Hemisphere, someone from that Hemisphere wins the cup. It won't be Germany, though. The two teams in the finals in 2002 allowed the fewest goals (Brazil 4 and Germany 3) throughout the whole tournament. Defense rules.
Every liberal qualifies his endorsement with, "...Zarqawi..success, but..."
Posted by: factless at June 9, 2006 06:13 PM
That's some pretty funny talk for someone who was recently going all pear-shaped on Field Marshall von Rumsfeld. Saddam ... trial ... Zarqawi ... success ... 200K more troops needed to keep the peace.
Didja find anything on that big bad wall that Gorelick built to stop the FBI from sharing info with the CIA (& vice versa) in tracking down foreign terrorists yet? Look it up. M'kay?
"If only I had a dollar for every Latino customer I've turned away because they couldn't speak English.
Posted by: M.B. Sill at June 9, 2006 07:06 PM
If I had a nickle for every time that either you, Hapless or Mr. Bush mangled the English language, I could pave every street in San Antonio with an inch-thick layer of solid gold.
"I'm suprised David did not mention any cudos (sic) for our troops (sic) victory...."
Posted by: M.B. Sill at June 8, 2006 12:47 PM
"I declare LBH the funniest on the Corn Blog! We know Cornuts can't admit it ...."
Posted by: Happy laughs at M.B. Sill at June 9, 2006 06:51 PM
I'll give Clueless "cudos" for all his unintended humor. Sad thing is you and I are the only ones on this blog who can appreciate his gay-baiting asshattery for what it is: the ranting of a racist clown.
"You have to be homosexual, trans-gender, bi-sexual or just a freak to live in San Fran."
Posted by: M.B. Sill at June 9, 2006 12:50 PM
Which one of these is the freak? What am I saying ... which one isn't? Hmmm, there's one for you about halfway down, Clueless. Looks like she has her dogs read to her too. Check hir out, Clueless. Could be a match made in heaven for you.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 9, 2006 09:41 PM
Rhythm method kills more embryos than condom use
"IF YOU'RE concerned about embryonic death, you've got to be consistent here and give up the rhythm method," says Luc Bovens of the London School of Economics.
People who practise this form of birth control, the only form condoned by the Catholic church, try to avoid pregnancy by abstaining from sex during a woman's fertile period. But Bovens says it leads to more embryo deaths than other contraceptive methods.
Bovens estimates that if the rhythm method is 90 per cent effective, and if conceptions outside the fertile period are about twice as likely to fail as to survive, then "millions of rhythm method cycles per year globally depend for their success on massive embryonic death".
If he's right,couples using the rhythm method for religious reasons may want to think again. "Even a policy of practising condom usage and having an abortion in case of failure would cause less embryonic deaths than the rhythm method," Bovens writes (Journal of Medical Ethics, vol 32, p 355).
Roger Gosden at the Center for Reproductive Medicine and Infertility in New York says the suggestion is reasonable.
"It's quite plausible that more abnormal embryos are conceived at the limits of sperm and especially egg viability," he says, "and that these are more frequent in women practising rhythm contraception than those having unprotected intercourse at random stages of the menstrual cycle."
From issue 2554 of New Scientist magazine, 03 June 2006, page 19
More HERE
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Filed under "The law of unintended consequences"
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 09:49 PM
One day, I am hopeful, the public at large will be enlightened to realize that the "gummint" is of the people, for the people and by the people. Our government cannot act without our consent. When we blindly cheer "our" guy and say "their guy" is the one who is rotten, we are blinding ourselves to the fact that they all are rotten.
To those who blame deficits on certain Presidents, you are full of crap. A president proposes a budget but All spending bills originate from the House Ways & Means Committee. That bill is then voted on by the House and then goes to the Senate, where more is added, or some is subtracted. Usually the former. The final bill is reconciled between the two houses before being sent to the president for signing or veto. The executive branch spends no money, only the representatives of the people.
If there are those of you out there who do not believe there is one politician out there in this country, once they have gained your vote, that do not have an agenda of their own, far beyond your interests, than you have a lot of growing up to do. "Your" politician will sell his vote to the other side for something that you would never agree with if your life depended on it to get a "vote in return" for something that "your politician" favors. All of those "favors" usually help the big donors, not the public at large.
Posted by: TRH at June 9, 2006 09:52 PM
"A president proposes a budget"
And they do have a responsibility. No getting off the hook for any president.
The proposed budget is all from the president and approved budget bills also require the presidents signature.
Maybe "you are full of crap" is a bit over the top, eh?
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 10:07 PM
And let us not forget the veto - veto proof issue(s).
Hardly anything budget wise that does not have the presidents fingerprints all over each step and every piece.
Add to that - the back-room deals and arm twisting every chief executive does to get what he wants.
No, the premise that the congress and senate "runs" the budget is full of something that cannot be removed - not even with a line item veto.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 10:12 PM
No it is not over the top. The executive branch of government has no "governmental funds" spending authority. The executive branch either agrees or disagrees with it. But the spending comes from the peoples representatives, not the president.
Posted by: TRH at June 9, 2006 10:15 PM
10 Reasons to Impeach George W. Bush...And a Reason Why Democratic Leaders are Wrong to be Afraid to Do It.
President Bush has committed grave offenses against the Constitution and against the people of the United States. Among these offenses are:
1. Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 2500 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing between 50-100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children.
2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war.
3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror.
4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer.
5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
Five More Reasons HERE
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Of course to hold Busheney to account we would need to create an opposition party. The Democrats are clearly not up to the job. UGH!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 10:19 PM
Not even by your post is that true?
Whatever.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 10:20 PM
No question that the president has influence Capt, case in point, Reagan made major deals with Tip O'Neil in the 80's for a massive military buildup in return for not vetoing the Democrat controlled house for including major entitlement spending in the final budget. I didn't say the executive has no influence, only that the representatives of the people have the power of the purse strings. The executive branch has no spending authority via the constitution of the United States. It rests, solely, with Congress.
Posted by: TRH at June 9, 2006 10:21 PM
"The whole fucking world knows this was a good week for republicans."
The Conservative movement is so intent on destroying America that it ignores the ship of state and focuses on having the best candidates that money can buy. After I (and countless others) have tried to point out the ragged state of affairs (Energy Crisis, deficit spending, etc.) in the US, Conservatives call replacing a bribe-taker with a lobbyist a success. Never mind holding the run-amok congress accountable. And they're surprised when their agenda goes down in flames?
The lastest analysis of the CA primaries was that the Democrats couldn't even motivate there (sic) own base to go to the polls."
Posted by: Clueless at June 9, 2006 12:24 PM
Obviously you don't read so good, dude. Busby maxed out the Dem vote in a district that was 60% white, 100% gerrymandered safely for the Reds. Every other Democrat hadn't gotten any closer than 50,000 votes in their elections.
Better to be one of the three stooges ...."
Posted by: Clueless at June 9, 2006 04:07 PM
This is what I mean about unintended humor. Clueless is perfectly Happy admitting that he is a 12 year old who has a dog that reads to him as a member of the 3 stooges.
"how about your buddies at MoveOn that got turned down for spreading lies?"
"The ads say they accepted thousands of dollars in donations from defense contractors and then "opposed penalties for contractors like Halliburton who overcharged the military in Iraq."
Posted by: Clueless at June 9, 2006 06:53 PM
The problem is that Pryce did accept money from defense contractors then voted down a Dem proposal to punish war profiteers. Where's Moveon's lie?
Clueless, If you're OK with Republicans taking bribes, just say so.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 9, 2006 10:39 PM
THE BUDGET SYSTEM AND CONCEPTS
(24 page .PDF)
The budget system of the United States Government provides the means for the President and Congress to decide how much money to spend, what to spend it on, and how to raise the money they have decided to spend. Through the budget system, they determine the allocation of resources among the agencies of the Federal Government and between the Federal Government and the private sector. The budget system focuses primarily on dollars, but it also allocates other resources, such as Federal employment.
Once Congress approves the budget resolution, it turns its attention to enacting appropriations bills and authorizing legislation. Appropriations bills are initiated in the House. They provide the budget authority for the majority of Federal programs. The Appropriations Committee in each body has jurisdiction over annual appropriations. These committees are divided into subcommittees that hold hearings and review detailed budget justification materials prepared by the agencies within the subcommittee's jurisdiction. After a bill has been drafted by a subcommittee, the committee and the whole House, in turn, must approve the bill, usually with amendments to the original version. The House then forwards the bill to the Senate, where a similar review follows. If the Senate disagrees with the House on particular matters in the bill, which is often the case, the two bodies form a conference committee (consisting of Members of both bodies) to resolve the differences. The conference committee revises the bill and returns it to both bodies for approval. When the revised bill is agreed to, first in the House and then in the Senate, Congress sends it to the President for approval or veto.
Budget means the Budget of the United States Government, which sets forth the President's comprehensive financial plan for allocating resources and indicates the President's priorities for the Federal Government.
Budget authority (BA) means the authority provided by law to incur financial obligations that will result in outlays. (For a description of the several forms of budget authority, see Budget Authority and Other Budgetary Resources earlier in this chapter.)
More HERE (24 page PDF)
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I have the "Whitehouse.Gov" OMB Budget concepts official documentation to support my correction to your false claim.
Please direct me to the source of information and authority that has you confused?
The Prez sets priorities and submits the budget, the congress and senate come to a point of agreement and submit bills for the Prez to sign or veto. The prez is the origin and he only waits on appropriation bills to be returned for his approval or veto.
That is a factual explanation of the process, no?
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 10:47 PM
#134 O'Reilly
Somehow I missed this. I've been so involved at school--graduation time. I have to laugh,
What with the media splurge that's going on. it's just a matter of time. We'll be bombing. Yes, there is no doubt. Iran, look out. And now it's Friday night and my son smells the end of school. I have been ordered to watch Danny Phantom
Posted by: Carey at June 9, 2006 10:53 PM
Move along, nothing to see here.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 10:54 PM
That is factual as is what I said. The executive branch proposes, but the Congress decides what will be spent. All spending bills reside with the House Ways and Means Committee. That is why the Democrats covet retaking the House rather than the Senate. That is where the spending power comes from. That is also why gerrymandering of districts and the census is important to both parties. It doesn't matter in senate races, just house races.
Posted by: TRH at June 9, 2006 10:57 PM
"Get the facts, or the facts will get you. And when you get them, get them right, or they will get you wrong." ~ Dr. Thomas Fuller (1654 - 1734), Gnomologia, 1732
Not to mention as long as Bush is "asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution."
He also is stuck with the complete responsibility for everything that happens, or am I missing something.
He cannot be a part-time dick-tater, it is a omniscient position he has staked out for himself. Like it or not, pretend it is not true but those pesky facts will get you every time.
Not just over the top (I was being kind) completely not true.
Futher more, the house does not actually "spend" money, they authorize the transactions by the departments that actually spend the money.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 10:59 PM
It's suprising how extreme and contemptuous a pundit can be and still be welcome on MSNBC, CNN or the cover of Time magazine.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 11:00 PM
I agree with Capt.
President Clinton had the same set of clowns to work with and managed to balance the budget by vetoing their crap and shutting down the government. Substitute Bush for Clinton and you get no balanced budget. Mr. Zero vetoes has never imposed his balanced budget ideas on Congress. Ever.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 9, 2006 11:11 PM
Capt,
If the executive can authorize spending, why send it to the congress to be voted on? The executive branch obviously has influence, but the congress appropriates. Veto or no veto, the voices of the people has the final choice.
Thank you for the civil discussion. I have enjoyed this a lot more than our old exchanges. Hope these type of debates become more commonplace everywhere.
Posted by: TRH at June 9, 2006 11:12 PM
Dude,
"reside with the House Ways and Means Committee"
You just failed the test. Read the PDF. You will clear up your misunderstanding about the relationship of the president and the "appropriations committees" and BTW "ways and means" is taxes, social security, health welfare, and revenue not appropriations.
Of course if you read what I offered as facts you would not make such a mistake. I am positive you misspoke and meant to say "appropriations committees"?
Until you read the official explanation - you are full of the stuff you claim of others?
Do your homework if you want to be taken with more than "cum grano salis"
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 11:13 PM
More to the point, read what I offered. The process is not simple nor is it concise enough to make a short synopsis. (the 24 page PDF IS a synopsis)
Then there is the 1974 law (look it up)
Nothing can be spent or even appropriated without the presidents approval, people's voice or not.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 11:19 PM
Pandemoniac,
Believe me, I am no defender of Bush on the budget & deficit. I think he has done a horrible job. Capt and I have a disagreement where spending authority lies. The executive obviously has influence. Clinton was dealing with a Congress of the opposite party who would fight him tooth and nail on every spending policy. Bush has a congress who will give him what he wants and more. I will say this in alll honesty, that is what happens when the same party controls the executive branch and the house ways and means committee. Did you pause your TIVO to submit your last post? I heard the World Cup was going on!
Posted by: TRH at June 9, 2006 11:21 PM
Saying someone else if full of feces is nearly always a bit over the top, unnecessary over-speak, hyperbole and superfluous.
Almost a sure way to expose your misunderstanding more than others. I thought you would be smart enough to just admit to a little over the top language?
Just a thought
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 11:29 PM
"cum grano salis?"
I hope you didn't cuss at me in Latin. I'll read the PDF. 24 pages? It may take me a while!
My final line of defense is, the spending comes from the Congress, the president has the approval or disapproval, yet the disapproval can be overridden by 2/3 majority vote. That is why Clinton veto'd welfare reform before it was apparent he didn't have the support to overcome the 2/3 majority vote.
Posted by: TRH at June 9, 2006 11:29 PM
There will be a test later.
Bring a blue book (maybe two)
No multiple choice but to be fair no time limit.
HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 11:32 PM
Poverty in America
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 11:32 PM
cum grano salis
A grain of salt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 11:33 PM
I just saved it to favorites. I will read it and if I am proven to be wrong, not that it would be the first time, I will gladly apologize.
You are right, full of crap was over the top. I don't want to go back to those days.
As always, one of the fav4 comes up quickly with a link to back up their side of the debate. I like that!
Posted by: TRH at June 9, 2006 11:37 PM
Before I delve into this 24 page PDF, was I at least right that it was Latin?
Posted by: TRH at June 9, 2006 11:41 PM
It's harder to eat crow when you've claimed your honorable opposition is full of crap.
-J C O Reilly
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 11:43 PM
I lacked the coordination to excel
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 11:44 PM
I can say without reservation that TRH is not a troll. Maybe a long time ago (my opinion, so not fact) but all posts have been on a civil basis.
There has been meaningful input and posts about things not other posters! That is a GREAT thing, no small matter.
It is not agreement or disagreement, it has to do with a poster just trying to cause or make trouble.
TRH has not posted a single line that would qualify as a troll post in many moons.
Kudos
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 11:45 PM
It's easier to eat crap when you've claimed your honorable opposition is full of crow.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 11:46 PM
Just go to Wikipedia and search "latin phrases" they have a good list with the meanings and some source information.
Yes it was latin but latin from Wiki so no feather in my cap!
I am good at looking stuff up but never kept much of the info upstairs (if you know what I mean)
capt
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 11:48 PM
sIlLy qUoTeS
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Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 11:50 PM
The Real George W. Bush
Posted by: Gerald at June 9, 2006 11:50 PM
I'm doing my best, Capt.
Thanks for the kudos, undeserved as they may be.
Now back to page 3. Interesting reading thus far.
Posted by: TRH at June 9, 2006 11:51 PM
I dont think you'll find this in Wiki
Terras Irradient
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 9, 2006 11:52 PM
Dude,
We are all wrong at times. Some facts are deceptive and others expire.
No reason to apologize, I stand by the clips I posted as bona fide and from that source.
That does not necessarilly make me right or correct. That would be my assumptions.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." ~
Niels Bohr
capt
Posted by: capt at June 9, 2006 11:53 PM
Cape diem (AKA Carpe diem)
Translation: "Pluck the day." By Horace, Odes I,11,8, to Leuconoe: carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero ("take hold of the day, believing as little as possible in the next").
A common mistranslation is "seize the day," however the verb in the imperative form for "seize" would be "cape."
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:00 AM
Bush is certifiable
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 12:02 AM
I wouldn't know Latin from Spanish, the latter of which I had 4 semesers of in college. I know what you mean. It was just an uneducated guess on my part.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 12:03 AM
The most interesting part of the budget (to me) are amounts every president inherits. The ongoing commitments of things like VA benefits, government employee retirement benefits, etc. I wonder what the real bottom line is and how much?
There are HUGE numbers in those expenditures that are promised by previous administrations and past congresses that are not really an option.
It makes it seem like every president can only really effect the margins. The accounting from departments of government are as bad or worse than large corporations. So it is almost divination of vagaries.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 12:05 AM
De mortuis nihil nisi bene.
Of the dead speak nothing but good.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:07 AM
From the article, Bush is certifiable
The fact that our government, led by an inflated madman, is insanely and endlessly investing in and feeding the industry of creating weapons of mass destruction is an extremely dangerous situation for all of us. To quote Jung, "Let man but accumulate sufficient engines of destruction and the devil within him will soon be unable to resist putting them to their fated use.It is well known that fire-arms go off of themselves if only enough of them are together."
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 12:09 AM
Between the military and entitlements they're haggling over less than 1/3 of the total.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:10 AM
Carpe pugam
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:11 AM
190 I'll give you a hint, it's the game LBH and Happy play when they're alone together.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:12 AM
The Madness of George W. Bush
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 12:14 AM
Nil illegitimi carborundum.
Don't let the bastards get you down.
(Right about now, Capt is wishing he hadn't mentioned the Wiki compilation of Latin phrases.)
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:15 AM
A famous AC/DC song: Roccaturi te salutant!
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:16 AM
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit.
Translation:
"Wise man does not urinate towards the wind."
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:18 AM
Al-Zarqawi's Death is No Cause for Rejoicing
by Michael Berg
CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien spoke Thursday with Michael Berg, whose son, Nicholas Berg, was beheaded two years ago in Iraq, likely at the hands of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. This is adapted from their conversation.
Q Mr. Berg, thank you for talking with us again. It's nice to have an opportunity to talk to you. Of course, I'm curious to know your reaction, as it is now confirmed that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the man who is widely credited and blamed for killing your son, Nicholas, is dead.
A Well, my reaction is I'm sorry whenever any human being dies. Zarqawi is a human being. He has a family who are reacting just as my family reacted when Nick was killed, and I feel bad for that. I feel doubly bad, though, because Zarqawi is also a political figure, and his death will reignite yet another wave of revenge, and revenge is something that I do not follow, that I do not ask for, that I do not wish for against anybody. And it can't end the cycle. As long as people use violence to combat violence, we will always have violence.
Q I have to say, sir, I'm surprised. I know how devastated you and your family were, frankly, when Nick was killed in such a horrible, and brutal and public way.
A Well, you shouldn't be surprised, because I have never indicated anything but forgiveness and peace in any interview on the air.
Q No, no. And we have spoken before, and I'm well aware of that. But at some point, one would think, is there a moment when you say, 'I'm glad he's dead, the man who killed my son'?
A No. How can a human being be glad that another human being is dead?
More HERE
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I have said it before (may have posted this before) but I have grave doubts that I could ever be so real, so humane. It is a blessing I have never been forced to face anything like the loss of a loved one.
These are the real Christians, the real people, some of the best of humanity. Death is bad, theirs, ours, or anybody's. To be so firm in his convictions and steadfast in his beliefs I think he sets a high bar, an example that is hard to imagine.
That kind of love and respect for others makes my soul soar and challenges my strength of conviction.
Words cannot describe the kind of awe I have for the really good people.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 12:18 AM
From the article, The Madness of George W. Bush
With Bush as president it's as if we're in a car going over the speed limit being driven by a drunk adolescent who has fallen asleep at the wheel. It's our responsibility to recognize the extreme danger of our situation and come together to do something about it, whatever that might be. If not, if we continue to passively and helplessly watch what is playing out in front of our very eyes, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. To quote Abraham Lincoln, "We- even we here- hold the power, and bear the responsibility." Now is the time to join together and creatively express our true voice. As the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. says "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Our only limitation is in our own imagination.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 12:23 AM
Rove's failure in the early stages of the CIA leak probe to provide information on his conversation with Cooper about Plame is one of the reasons Rove is still under investigation by Fitzgerald.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:24 AM
"Right about now, Capt is wishing he hadn't mentioned the Wiki compilation of Latin phrases"
No WAY dude!
I am such a nerd I love to read stuff like that. Hours of skimming and reading.
I actually read through pages and pages of quotations.
Languages are so cool because of the different context. And the literal translations. I can spend hours reading the dumbest things, I also do not retain much so most of it is fresh and new the second or third time too! (according to my better half I repeat stuff)
I always like to share my sources of info and such, it is just internet stuff so . . .
On that Wiki page I really like the explanations and stuff in the right hand column.
"verba ita sunt intelligenda ut res magis valeat quam pereat"
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 12:25 AM
Who knows to praise sure knows to insult
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:28 AM
Capt,
Up to page 10, will continue later today. Interesting reading thus far. I have a challenge for you until then. Earlier, I was speaking from a constitutional point of view. The PDF you referenced seems to have come from a congresional act. There is no question that you are right in what you have said, I am just curious to find out when the budget starting to come from the president to the congress rather than the congress submitting a budget to the president. So far, in the PDF, they only go back as far as Carter. Maybe I was off base all along. I was always taught that all spending bills were formulated in the house, reconciled
in the senate, then sent to the president for approval. There was even a saturday cartoon called "School House Rock" that taught this.
Or maybe I slept through that episode.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 12:28 AM
I think the presidents budget is the starting point of the process you describe sir.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:33 AM
I will post a few references
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 12:34 AM
A falta de pan, buenas son tortas.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:38 AM
O'Reilly,
So it is today, but I don't think that was always the case. Either way, I have faith Capt. will find the answer with the appropriate link included. Until then, sleep required before more reading.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 12:38 AM
Crea fama y acuestate a dormir.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:40 AM
I'm interested too. I'm glad you guys brought it up.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 12:41 AM
Capt,
Before I send you on a wild goose chase, I believe my argument was based on the fact that a "bill" originates in the house or senate, a "spending bill" originates in the house ways & means committee, not a "budget" in either house. "Mea Culpa." Is that Latin for "pardon, for my waste of Cornpostage?" If it weren't for looking at my child's CD of School House Rock songs, I wouldn't have realized my mistake, though I am sure Capt. would have found it for me otherwise.
Sorry for the "full of crap." Call me full of "humbled."
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 12:50 AM
LBH/Happy,
Have you noticed that the liberals' heads are all exploding? For them to win, America has to lose, so they really start getting frantic when there are some real successes as there were this week.
When they shift into major apoplexy and high dudgeon, as they are now, I know things are really going well - or there is a full moon out.
Posted by: factchecker at June 10, 2006 12:53 AM
Jeanne 133, the only reason the waves and the moon and the sun continue to do their thing is because humans haven't found a way to interfere with them yet! Give them time. Breath taking brilliance has been trumped by greed and evil every time.
Govt. budgets? Who cares where they originate, we are f**king bankrupt all the same, now all that's left is the finger pointing. Hooray for the Federal Reserve. Go to work and pay your taxes until you drop dead, it's your patriotic duty.
Posted by: Saladin at June 10, 2006 12:56 AM
Libby's version to the FBI was that in telling reporters that Plame worked for the CIA and may have played a role in sending Wilson to Niger, he was merely passing on unsubstantiated rumors that he had heard from other reporters. But the indictment of Libby alleges that he lied about this, and instead was told about Plame by Cheney, an undersecretary of State, and at least two other government officials.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 01:03 AM
Section 7 of the constitution?
Yes.
That is the authority of all bills and even the requirements that it must be called a "Bill".
I have found reference to some laws about the budget process - the point being that authority would have come from a Bill so . . .
Some pretzel logic.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:06 AM
Factchecker,
I listen to Rush daily and you are repeating what he says on his show. He is wrong in that regard. There are many liberal parents of
American soldiers serving your country in Iraq and Afghanistan who want nothing but success, victory, and a safe return home. There are many more in this country who disagree with war, but only wish the safe return of all troops sent into harms way. That should be the sentiment of all Americans. Just because a few sound off in ways that may be viewed to the contrary, don't paint a vast portion of Americans with a broad brush. I probably know more Liberals who could bend your head backward until it reaches your proverbial behind if they so chose to do but would rather defend your right to spout your beliefs than to do so. Don't assume someone shares "all" your beliefs. After all, this is America.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 01:09 AM
Check out this fact: LBH or Happy isn't here man.
Check out this fact: No one cares about your 'exploding head' piffle
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 01:13 AM
Section 7
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
The House, directly elected by the people, received authority to originate all tax bills. The Senate, however, can amend a tax bill, and the support of both houses is necessary for the bill to become law.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
( The resentment clause describes the only way that a bill can become law: it must be passed in identical form by both Houses and it must be signed by the president or passed by a two-thirds vote of Congress over the president's veto. If, while Congress is in session, the president does not sign a bill, it automatically becomes law. If Congress has adjourned or is in recess, the president can pocket veto the bill - in a sense, simply putting it in his pocket, unsigned. Congress cannot override bills that have been pocket vetoed.)
Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
(This clause prevents Congress from circumventing the previous clause by calling a bill something else. All it means is that any order, resolution, or vote that has the force of law must be passed in the manner of a bill.)
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:13 AM
How does a guy who gets his world view from Rush Limbaugh have the balls to call himself factchecker?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 01:16 AM
Capt,
"Pretzel Logic!" A homemade CD with that song is in my car as we "converse." Steely Dan. If you don't have the 2 CD greatest collection, it is worth procuring. AJA was my personal favorite.
Trivia: Michael MacDonald was their keyboard player in the early 70's when they used to tour before he was tapped to lead the Doobie Brothers. I hear they are gearing up for a reunion tour. Fagan, Becker, et al.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 01:19 AM
No static at all.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 01:21 AM
Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974
The Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 is a United States federal law specifying that the President may propose to Congress that funds be rescinded. If both the Senate and the House of Representatives have not approved a rescission proposal (by passing legislation) within 45 days of continuous session, any funds being withheld must be made available for obligation. Note that Congress is not required to vote on such a proposal, and indeed most Presidential requests have been ignored. In response, some citizens and politicans have called for a line item veto to strengthen the rescission power and force Congress to vote on the disputed funds. The Act was passed in response to Congressional feelings that President Nixon was abusing his ability to impound the funding of programs he opposed, and effectively removed the historical Presidential power of impoundment.
In addition, the act reforms the United States budget process to create a unified process that consolidated the various congressional committees that were responsible for some aspect of the budget before.
The act has been amended several times, especially through provisions in the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 and the Budget Enforcement Act of 1990. The original 1974 legislation, however, remains the basic blueprint for budget procedures today.
More HERE
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I mentioned looking up the law from 1974?
Here it is.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:23 AM
I have all Steely Dan (except I do not have a box set)
One of my most favorite top bands - especially the old stuff.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:25 AM
Trivia: Michael MacDonald played backup keys and vocals for almost every band that recorded at a studio (Cannot remember where or the name).
A friend told me MacDonald was just there all the time. He did stuff that was uncredited, he was everywhere for a time. (way back when)
Tommy Johnson got a little too strung out. The name of his first effort after getting off the horse was named "Everything you've heard is true"
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:32 AM
China Grove?
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:33 AM
O'Reilly,
FM!
Capt,
Great work! I kid you not, I just got back from getting another beer, checking on Mark and wondering if the current law had to do with Congress cutting off funds for the war in Viet Nam. Nixon didn't want to pull out, but he had no choice. I was thinking something had happened back then but wasn't sure and I came back on line and you had the answer. I bet the CBICA of 1974 was a result of that.
Great research, and always at the ready!
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 01:34 AM
If you love listening to them, you might enjoy renting the "Classic Album: AJA" video. (link) They talk about how the album was made, where ideas came from, etc. If you love your rock music, you'll probably enjoy watching the Classic Album series of videos.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 01:38 AM
I liked the Doobies with the both of them. You are right about Michael. His voice is unique and it shows up in some background songs that you would never consider him to be on. Toto had him sing on one. Tommy kinda fizzled. If I recall correctly, he had one solo album and it didn't fare well at all. I think the Brothers were what made the Doobies!
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 01:41 AM
222 Doobie Bros. "In a sleepy little town. . .
down by old San Antone" (hat tip to pand) "they are are the talk of the town"
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 01:41 AM
Capt-#222
China Grove is a town "down around San Antone" actually in "da valley" where drug lords used to run the town, it was the pitstop for all the "goodies" coming up from Mexico, and I don't mean the "foreign exchange students" we used for cheap labor.
I would imagine the studio in mention is in California somewhere and not Texas.
Perhaps, the Malibu Ranch Studio formerly the residence of John Barrymore (where he allegedly housed his mistresses) that years ago was converted into a recording studio. It still has orchards and all, I was fortunate enough to record their many years ago. Very expensive, but beatiful.
Neil Young and many others have done lots of recordings there.
Posted by: TurdBlossom at June 10, 2006 01:42 AM
You can hear his voice in "It keeps you runnin" by the Doobie Bros. He did some backup vocals on Little Feat too. As you said, the voice is so distinctive, it's hard to miss.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 01:44 AM
U.S. House votes to cut $420,000 aid package to Saudi Arabia
The U.S. House of Representatives on Friday took a symbolic jab at Saudi Arabia, cutting its aid package over accusations that the kingdom fuels religious extremism and violence, as it passed a $21.3 billion foreign aid bill.
The bill for next fiscal year, which is $600 million above the current level but $2.4 billion less than President George W. Bush sought, cleared the House easily on a 373-34 vote. The Senate has not yet taken up its version of the bill.
Decrying Saudi Arabia for teaching intolerance and financing terrorism, lawmakers voted 312-97 to cut the $420,000 the oil-rich kingdom receives to participate in U.S.-backed military and counter-terrorism training.
"I hope my colleagues send a strong signal symbolically that enough is enough," said Rep. Joseph Crowley, a New York Democrat.
The funds are intended to provide classroom space and pay for experts to help train counter-terrorism police.
Rep. Jim Kolbe, an Arizona Republican, said the measure would hurt efforts to foster Saudi Arabia as a partner in fighting terrorism. But his was a lonely voice.
Congress has passed similar measures in the past, but Bush has used a waiver to clear the funds to Saudi Arabia.
More HERE
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The last line pertains to the presidents ability to spend by waiver over congressional authority.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:45 AM
Thanks O'Reilly.
Never heard of that. A lot of people will never remember that Walter Becker and Donald Fagan used to tour before they retired to produce only from the studio and no longer tour. Great sound no matter what generation you come from.
Pandemoniac must be watching the World Cup. Missing out on this musical discussion we have embarked on. Hajji would also enjoy this discussion. He has insider info.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 01:48 AM
227 Record rock music? anything we might know?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 01:48 AM
TB,
I was mentioning China Grove as in China White?
The heroin thing.
I am fairly certain the guy that told me about that was in the greater LA area (SF Valley?) Glendale? Maybe even out towards the desert like Palmdale/Lancaster?
I am sure that information was being kept by a weak brain cell. I killed most of the weak ones off! HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:51 AM
230 Or he crashed from sheer exhastion and in anticipation of an early morning on the soccer pitch.
I haven't sean this one: Steely Dan - Two Against Nature
A DVD review by: Blake Kunisch (link)
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 01:55 AM
"A lot of people will never remember that Walter Becker and Donald Fagan used to tour before they retired to produce only from the studio and no longer tour."
I remember but . . .
http://www.steelydan.com/
On tour! 2006
Saw a special video of them in a small club/venue about 5 years ago (on PBS?) I can't remember details but it was very cool!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:56 AM
O'Reilly!
I think that is it from 2000 about the right timeframe. It was very good. I loved it!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:57 AM
Capt,
Congress has passed similar measures in the past, but Bush has used a waiver to clear the funds to Saudi Arabia.
You have too much info at your fingertips. I'm still leafing through my Farmer's Almanac. How do you do it?
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 01:58 AM
http://www.music.com/person/michael_mcdonald/1/discography/appearances/
If you go there you can see tons of albums Michael contributed to on various intruments and vocals.
And O'Reilly--my recording career ended as it began, anonymously, the album "they" were working on at the aforementioned studio there got shelved by the record company, they even had to fight to get back the rights to their own masters that they were not going to put out. New President of the label decided to cut ties with previous projects, even though this particular album was finished (in the can) mastered, mixed, even produced a few. Many of the songs were recorded on an EP that was not released before a new singer was brought in. I was just the replacement drummer when the main man couldn't do gigs, and they let me tag along on recordings and film them and stuff. (my roommate played bass in the band) I never did track with them though, I should have stipulated that right off.
The band was called Liquid Jesus. Eventually they released the material, re-mixed with Todd, the guitar player singing under the new name of Squash, it went nowhere.
Posted by: TurdBlossom at June 10, 2006 01:58 AM
TB,
Come on, what did you record? I love the inside scoop. I am sure I have heard of the place of which you speak. (never been there)
I ran into Neil Young (in a mens room) many years ago. Not really a place to do much more than say "Hey" - you know?
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:00 AM
I saw them on the Two by Nature tour, which was in 2001 I think. They were excellent. They performed bout five songs from the new album and an hour and a half of golden nuggets. The audience knew their Steely Dan so it was a love fest. The band was tight. I mean tight.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 02:00 AM
Asked and answered!
I am just a moment behind.
Thanks! That is still very cool.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:02 AM
I am a geek, what can I say?
My use of resources has always been something I enjoy - even before the internet. Back when finding stuff in libraries was a gas! (see geek)
HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:04 AM
TB, Thanks for the refernce to music.com and thanks twice over for the info about your recording work. That's cool. To me, it's something I'll never expereince. I have had dreams in which I'm on stage during rehersal with musicians from my favorite bands talking and playing. That's as close as I'll ever be. . . in my dreams.
Talking about dreams, I've got to be up early so I better go to bed. It's been nice talking with you all. Someone here in cornblogland wants to break the 500 post mark this weekend. I fugure I'll do my part. Until then, fare well.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 02:08 AM
Capt,
I have everything Neil has done, album, cassette, CD except the latest: P.S. I suspect that it will be my fathers day gift. A great songwriter, musician and, as much as many people may disagree with this, a great voice. He sings "his" songs the way he "feels" them. That is why he doesn't do too many covers, if at all.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 02:08 AM
I was in the hospital and watched the show (pretty sure it was on PBS here) it was very tight and very right.
They were running a series and Santana was on the night after Steely Dan - It was a local concert (here in NM) but was also part of the PBS series. Carlos did not disappoint. He had some kid from another band (Matchbox 20?) doing a guest shot and a few others too. The music made me get much better. Nothing as good for the soul as good food, good friends and good music.
Any one of those is magic from time to time.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:08 AM
244 Rob Thomas maybe. ok bye.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 02:10 AM
I like the folksy quality to Neil's work.
CSNY - to me was more than the sum of the parts.
The harmony makes me get goose-bumps thinking about the old days! HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:11 AM
Capt,
My seven year old son and I frequent the library often. The one year old will will soon be old enough to tag along. Never has been and will never be anything wrong with that.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 02:11 AM
Rob Thomas!
On the nose!
(years ago and it seems like a week ago)
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:13 AM
Capt,
Not only do I remember, vividly signing my first library card at the age of 7, I used to PO my friend when I would go over to his house when I was in the 3rd grade and spend the afternoon reading his collection of the "Berenstein Bear" books instead of playing basketball or baseball. I still played sports, but I loved reading. By the way, I graduated, he didn't. I should have made him read them with me.
Ironic? Our 7 year old sons were in the same day care and now our our 1 year olds are there as well! All of them boys.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 02:21 AM
I'm #250!
Nite, all.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 02:30 AM
Tradition.
Some of the fabric of real life.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:35 AM
O'Reilly and Capt--I don't mind sharing little tidbits of personal info from now and then, so thanks for appreciating what I had to offer.
Y'all usually beat me to the punch in posting good articles so it was nice to be able to contribute when y'all got on the musical bandwagon, being that I have spent the majority of my life in the business.
I have gotten to meet some great people and jam with a few of them, though not always the ones you would hope for, but it is still great.
Example, I got to play with some of the guys from "Weezer" before they morphed into that band. They were phenomenal technical players, the "Shrapnel records" types of musicians, very heady and classically influenced hard rock. In fact, Rivers Cuomo is probably one of the finer guitar players I have jammed with, and he was only 17 years old back then and could play circles around me still.
I did get called up on stage one year at the backstage party for the American Music Awards to start an allstar jam(mostly so the singer could leave his drum kit and work the crowd, he saw me at the bar and recognized me from playing around town and said he needed me for one song, not 3!)but we didn't muster much in the way of allstars, just a keyboardist who played accordion on stage with Drew Carey earlier that night.
We did perform in front of several celebrities and music moguls though and that was quite cool.
It was wierd to be recognized and asked to perform when so many great recording artists were around us at the time from Van Halen(or van hagar to some) to Boyz II Men (some of the nicest guys I met).
Then there was the time my wife told MC Hammer's dancers(you know, the best paid in the world at that time, funky hair and all) that she was doing the electric slide(it was new back then) only to be told by them(the world's best dancers)no you aren't. Her reply,
"Yes I am, I learned it from Oprah!"
They just laughed, watched her for a few seconds, then started copying her moves, all of them, in a circle around us, dancing and laughing.
I was laughing so hard. Good times.
Anyways, just got home from work and have to be back in another 6 hours for a 12 hour shift so off to bed it is, after of course taking care of the dogs, responsibilites, you know.
Nite all.
Posted by: Turdblossom at June 10, 2006 03:22 AM
Thanks for sharing!
I love that stuff.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 03:55 AM
Inside info on St.Dan?
Not really, but the console for the monitor system at "The Channel" was created by DINKY DAWSON for a 1970's tour. GOOGLE HIM for an interesting read!
His innovative use of a separate "vocal" PA really suited my style of mixing, more "Sound Reinforcement" than "Producing from the board" (alternatively known as "polishing the turd") like so many with so little to work.
Funny that I after leaving the Channel, I went to work for Henry Kloss the guy who make acoustic suspension systems possible and affordable for home systems, too. (along with Dolby "B" applications for cassette tape, large-screen TV's for the home, subwoofer/sattelite systems...etc, ad infinitum)
Stuart "Dinky" Dawson is only one of the many people that helped me realize my childhood dreams of mixing sound with some of the greats!
(I always considered myself operating WAY over my head, but I DID IT!)
Now to schlep off to work in the glamourous, glorious ER!!!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at June 10, 2006 04:53 AM
TB,
A good read indeed. Share more often.
Hajji,
We've never really talked about your life at WOWK and your work in Boston, but I "figgurd"
you had met some interesting personalities.
Funny that it is usually Mark who wakes me up at 6:30 or before, every morning. Daniel today. Mark is sleeping in.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 07:02 AM
TRH,
I probably never told you about my supporting "SuperFriends" role at the Halls of Justice, either.
Been up since 3am...couldn't get back to sleep and I should've just come on in to work. What a ClusterF of a night!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at June 10, 2006 07:39 AM
I know what you mean cuz. Had many a night like that, especially, while living in Germany.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 09:04 AM
LBH spouts:
If only I had a dollar for every Latino customer I've turned away because they couldn't speak English.
Hmmm...you're a businessman, are you? LOL! I call bullshit! You realize you're suggesting you'd be rich if you didn't have to turn away so many Latino customers, don't you? Perhaps you should consider learning Spanish or hiring someone who speaks it. Seems to me a good businessman figures out how to stop turning customers away. Truly, you are a clueless twit.
Posted by: Don at June 10, 2006 09:42 AM
We are sending money to Saudi Arabia? Unf**king believable. We can't get the Katrina victims back home but we can give an alleged terrorist supporting, oil rich country money, money we will be borrowing from China? Now I've really heard everything.
Posted by: Saladin at June 10, 2006 09:51 AM
Full moon, hot summer nights...people get kinda...crazy.
Posted by: Hajji at June 10, 2006 10:00 AM
Saladin, #210
You have a point. The government is a compulsive shopper, gambler, and spender of all the money they have and more. The taxpayers are the source of their revenue for the proverbial
"bottomless wallet/purse."
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 10:02 AM
Brad blog
BUSBY/BILBRAY ELECTION IN DOUBT: The Diebold Machine Sleepovers at Poll Workers Houses...
Given what we know about Diebold voting machines (both optical-scan and touch-screen), several folks have written to ask: "Are you sure they actually allowed poll workers to take these machines...
Given what we know about Diebold voting machines (both optical-scan and touch-screen), several folks have written to ask: "Are you sure they actually allowed poll workers to take these machines home with them" prior to the Busby/Bilbray U.S. House special election in CA-50th?
Yes. I'm sure. And yes, I confirmed it with someone in the media office at the San Diego County Registrar of Voting before I wrote my initial story on all of this. She asked me to keep her name off record, and so I'm doing so. Feel free to call and ask them yourself however: (858) 565-5800.
While you're talking to them (politely), ask how they intend to prove that the results of the Busby/Bilbray special election are accurate now that the chain of custody for the electronic voting machines -- which have been shown to be exceedingly prone to easy, passwordless tampering -- has been corrupted by sending them home for days and weeks at a time with voluneer poll workers. Also ask them how many absentee and provisional ballots there are in the race. Feel free to report your answers in comments here. If you can get any.
To help confirm the sleepovers of the easily hackable Diebold machines, here's a clip or two from a couple of emails I've received on all of this since posting my original story and this morning's follow up:
I volunteered to be a poll worker in the 49th. I took a short course on Sunday morning, loaded up the machine, and had it Sunday and all day and night Monday. I couldn't believe it! Folks, get in the polling places to watch for funny business.
Terry Olson
And this from Pamela Smith, the Nationwide Coordinator for VerifiedVoting.org and Verified Voting Foundation, who's in San Diego County...
Yes, the machines had sleepovers. I was interviewed on our local news station about it prior to the election.
The procedure is that certain pollworkers are assigned equipment to take home with them upon receiving their training. They then bring it to the polling place on election morning early, and set up. Depending when they have training the machines could be at their homes for more than a week or two.
...
Best,
Pam
Pamela Smith, Nationwide Coordinator
VerifiedVoting.org and Verified Voting Foundation
UPDATE 6/9/06: I just noticed the following comment left on one of my original Busby/Bilbray article, from reader Patti Newton, who reports she had a similar experience as a San Diego County poll worker in Busby's district. Here's part of it:
I was an assistant precinct inspector in charge of equipment during this eleciton (I'm in the 50th). I had my two Diebold machines for seven full days before the election (I was dumbfounded). The chain of custody is abysmal. There is a seal on the machines (which are locked) but I am the one who sets up/breaks down the equipment and breaks the seal at the end of the day. The machines were reserved specifically for disabled voters but could have been used if a voter insisted on using it instead of the scanner. I registered zero votes and assume most if not all of the 1,646 precincts in the county had very little use but don't know for sure. I had no key to unlock the memory card but if I were motivated and had "friends" of like mind it would have been extremely easy.
The November election will use only the touchscreen machines (the scanners will not be used at all). I will encourage voters to look at the paper and make sure their votes are registered properly there but still, what's the guarantee?
I attended a breakfast with Francine and she said if the vote was close she would demand a recount. I'll follow your advice and give her office a call.
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If Busby had won the repubs would be screaming bloody murder about this. Why are the people going along with this?
Posted by: Saladin at June 10, 2006 10:08 AM
Hajji,
Thats awful close to a line in Billy Joel's song "Scenes from an Italian Restaurant."
"Cold beer, hot nights, my sweet romantic teenage nights."
I have heard that the ER gets more patients during the phase of the full moon than any other time. I can safely back that up. That is the time of month when I get my highest volume of auto accident claims. It never fails.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 10:08 AM
Op-Scan Voting Machines Miscount Ballots in Iowa Republican Primary! Hand Count Reveals Other Candidate Leads By Far!
Machine Counts for Halted in All Races After Hand Count of Absentee Ballots Finds 128 Vote Margin for Incumbant Instead of 20 Vote Margin for Challenger Reported by Op-Scan System!
Machine Counts for Halted in All Races After Hand Count of Absentee Ballots Finds 128 Vote Margin for Incumbant Instead of 20 Vote Margin for Challenger Reported by Op-Scan System!
More shortly concerning my reporting on the questionable Busby/Bilbray elections results in the U.S. House special election to fill "Duke" Cunningham's CA 50th congressional seat.
After optically scanning absentee ballots in a Republican Primary on Tuesday in Pottawattamie County, a popular, long-time incumbent was trailing a first-time college student candidate by 20 votes. Since that seemed odd, the County Auditor decided to count the absentee ballots by hand and indeed found that the incumbent had won the count instead!... By 128 votes instead of having lost it by 20!
Anybody beginning to get this yet? (...thump, thump...is this thing on?...)
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The counting in Tuesday's Pottawattamie County primary election came to a sudden halt shortly after midnight today when Pottawattamie County Auditor Marilyn Jo Drake announced to the waiting courthouse crowd that something wasn't right with the new computers purchased to count the ballots.
As a result, all of Tuesday's ballots were in the process of being counted by hand today. Drake said the winners in Tuesday's election might not be known until around midnight this evening.
"We have no clue," she said of the cause of the problem. But, something wasn't just right from the very beginning, she added.
Things began to look fishy, Drake said, when the county's new computers counted the absentee ballots in the Republican Party's county race between longtime Recorder John Sciortino and newcomer Oscar Duran.
Absentee ballots are the ones counted first.
When all of those were counted, Duran, a University of Nebraska at Omaha student, had 99 votes, while Sciortino, the county recorder since 1983, had just 79.
"John is such a popular candidate," Drake said.
...
Drake said she decided to count the absentee ballots by hand to determine if the computers were counting correctly.
They weren't - not by a long shot.
The actual absentee ballot count in the recorder's race when done by hand found Sciortino had 153 votes and Duran just 25.
It was then that she decided to stop the computer counting in all the races.
"They could be tainted, we don't know," Drake said.
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Don't think this will happen in Nov? And in 2008? Think again.
Posted by: Saladin at June 10, 2006 10:16 AM
Saladin,
I am of the opinion that all voting mechanisms have their unique flaws. I do not propose to know which is best but do you have a preference?
I've never voted via mail so I don't know if this would be a preferred method or not. It seems, in national elections, absentee votes aren't even tabulated if it wouldn't make a difference in the eventual outcome.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 10:23 AM
TRH, the most important thing in any election is honesty and integrity. Without those two qualities no election method is a sure thing. I read Upton Sinclairs book "The Jungle" written in the early 1900's, in it he described candidate reps picking up immigrants by the truckload and driving them all over to different precincts where they were paid to vote many times over for the same person. This has been going on since the dawn of democracy. Probably the best we can do is stick to paper ballots and have completely neutral, non-partisan, if any can be found, people overseeing and counting. Unfortunatly many people can be bought off, so that is not fool proof either. This electronic, no paper trail method has definitely got to go!
Posted by: Saladin at June 10, 2006 10:30 AM
Mr. Corn,
You were hurt by these attacks. When somone puts themselves on the line, there are going to be attacks. You are a very fine journalist, a good father (Congratulations on your young daughters, they are growing up to be very smart) and an excellent thinker.
When someone goes after your intellect, it's extremely hard. Advice, stick to your guns. Isn't that a horrible metaphor?
Posted by: Carey at June 10, 2006 11:08 AM
American Soldiers
2,790 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his lies.
18,500+ American soldiers have been maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his evil lies.
45,000+ American soldiers are suffering from PTSD.
Over 350,000+ Iraqis have been killed in Iraq since Bush declared shock and awe bombings on March 19, 2003.
Contamination from depleted uranium may have affected 125,000+ American soldiers and several million Iraqis.
Are you feeling more safe and secure with Bush in the WH and Cheney as his chief hatchet man overseeing Nazi America and her citizens?
Our military men and women are used as cannon fodder for a terrorist Nazi American government.
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, AND NEITHER DO WE. George W. Bush, August 5, 2005
Rigged elections doom American democracy. American soldiers are being killed and maimed TO PROMOTE A NAZI AMERICAN STATE.
Henry Kissinger says that military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.
Nazi America is a mirror image of Hitler Bush.
Nazi Americans continually justify sin.
Nazi Americans are accomplices with Bush for his murders and war crimes.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 11:11 AM
What Capt said at #1.
Posted by: Carey at June 10, 2006 11:11 AM
#249 TRH
That was moving. Raising a child or children is very hard isn't it? The irony of your comment was stunning.
Posted by: Carey at June 10, 2006 11:16 AM
Bush and Huusein are brothers in hate
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 11:27 AM
Terroism is a tactic
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 11:34 AM
God created man and Bush and Nazi America create bogeymen, like Zarqawi.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 11:36 AM
Hirsch and I Agree
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 11:40 AM
A must read article
War of aggression is the supreme international crime!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 11:47 AM
From my A must read article post
On Oct. 1, 1946, judgment was delivered by the Nuremberg Tribunal. From the judgment:
"To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole. ...Crimes against international law are committed by men, not by abstract entities, and only by punishing individuals who commit such crimes can the provisions of international law be enforced."
The simple truth is that had President Bush not ordered an illegal war of aggression, the 24 civilians in Haditha, along with countless thousands of other Iraqis and Americans, would be alive today.
Justice Jackson's last sentence in his closing statement, July 26, 1946, concerns the German leaders on trial at the time, but speaks to contemporary American leaders as well: "If you were to say of these men that they are not guilty, it would be as true to say that there has been no war, there are no slain, there has been no crime."
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Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 11:56 AM
Hitler Bush is as guilty as sin in the supreme international crime of murder and more murders.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 11:58 AM
Hitler Bush is a war criminal!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 11:59 AM
Carey,
Nothing easy in raising a child, but the rewards of watching a child blossom greatly outweigh any amount of gray hair caused by anxiety or worry over raising them. All four of my boys have their flaws, but none serious to date. That is a blessing. At least none are following in the footsteps of their old man. That is another blessing.
Saladin,
I like the electronic method, as we use it here in KY. I don't like the fact that there is no "paper documented proof" of my vote though. We may have the best election process in the world but ther is no question it is full of corruption, no matter which end of the political spectrum one hails from.
Posted by: TRH at June 10, 2006 12:08 PM
Hmmm...you're a businessman, are you? LOL! I call bullshit! You realize you're suggesting you'd be rich if you didn't have to turn away so many Latino customers, don't you? Perhaps you should consider learning Spanish or hiring someone who speaks it. Seems to me a good businessman figures out how to stop turning customers away. Truly, you are a clueless twit.
By Don
No Don, being self employed allows me to choose who I want to do business with and because I'm good at what I do I don't have to pander to illegal immigrants, that can't speak English, like the Democratic party.
Restaurants have a sign on their door that turns people away if you aren't wearing a shirt or shoes, I have a sign that says if you can't speak English or if your a progressive then get the hell out! LOL
Don, I am rich!
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 12:08 PM
Police State USA - Part One
Big Brother's Most Cool Tool
Harry Reid (D-NV) calls this Congress the "most corrupt" in history.(1) U.S. Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) often uses the term "police state" to describe our national state of affairs. George Bush is making the most expansive claims to unbridled power since America's War for Independence, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT).(2) Former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who proved Bush/Cheney lied to launch us into war with Iraq, says "fascist forces have seized control of the levers of power."(3)
In a fascist police state, the dictator secures his power with support from private corporations which are given special privileges and thus benefit from doing business with dictators.
Continuously bribed by 28,000 corporate lobbyists (4) in D.C., Congress is doing its part to build a fascist system in America. During President Bush's recent State of the Union speech, these tainted legislators perpetually rose to their feet to applaud the spewing of what a New York Times editorial called "misleading analogies, propaganda slogans and false choices."(5) Their bootlicking recalls a by-gone Soviet era when endless rows of robotic Central Party members applauded the likes of Stalin to ensure their next breath of oxygen.
After passage of the Patriot Act of 2001, Rep. Paul told Insight Magazine that the 2,200-page bill was not made available to Congress to read before the vote.(6) So the most corrupt Congress in history rubber-stamped the most fascist legislation they had never read.
The ink had barely dried on the Patriot Act when Congress passed the Homeland Security Act of 2002. Rep. Paul stated that Congress also did not read the 500-page bill that gave birth to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).(7) DHS, a creepy intelligence gathering apparatus reminiscent of the Nazi SS, has merged 22 federal agencies and their databases, employing nearly a quarter million workers.
Posted by: still here? at June 10, 2006 12:15 PM
Michael Chertoff was appointed by Bush in 2004 to head DHS. Chertoff appears to be an identical twin of founding Soviet dictator Vladimir Lenin, giving us a stark flashback to the Russian Revolution of 1917. That lucrative Wall Street operation, which unleashed murderous communist tyranny upon hundreds of millions of people for nearly the entire 20th
century, was funded and directed from New York by a clique of Yale-graduated Skull and Bones members in business with the Averell Harriman family.(10) George Herbert Walker, great grandfather of the Skull and Bones fascist now occupying the White House, was a Harriman partner when Lenin granted to Harriman's Wall Street syndicate lucrative Russian resource concessions.(11) Lenin also made Harriman partner Max May of Wall Street's Guaranty Trust the first vice president of Russia's Soviet Ruskombank.(12)
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i got my tax cut so i dont care what else bushco does!
Posted by: still here? at June 10, 2006 12:24 PM
Please forgive me!!! I created the Ann Coulter Monster. After I sent her the enclosed prayer, she really became worse!!!
I said a prayer
I said a prayer for you today and I know God must have heard
I felt the answer in my heart, although He spoke no word!
I didn't ask for wealth or fame I knew you wouldn't mind
I asked Him to send treasures of a far more lasting kind!
I asked that He'd be near you at the start of each new day to
Grant you health and blessings and friends to share your way!
I asked for happiness for you in all things great and small
But it was for His loving care I prayed the most of all!
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 12:25 PM
Why would you spend so much time around people you describe as wack-jobs?
By O Reilly at 132
Because I still have hope for ya man. Someday there will be a cure for liberalism and I just want to help because I love ya man!!!!!!!!! (nine this time)
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 12:26 PM
Clueless, If you're OK with Republicans taking bribes, just say so.
By Pandenial
Dude, Cunninghams gone. Didn't you hear, the party of corruption talking points given you by bug-eye Pelosi didn't work.
Beside you all tried to replace him with an idiot that was caught on tape offering bribes to illegal aliens for illegal votes.
Pandenial, If your OK with bribe giving Democrats, just say so.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 12:32 PM
In 2004, a clueless and/or compromised Congress rubber-stamped the Intelligence Reform Act, a bill weighing in at over 3,000 pages. This Orwellian horror created the Department of National Intelligence (DNI). All 15 U.S. intelligence agencies now report to DNI mega-commissar John Negroponte, a veteran of the Iran-Contra scandal. This shady new law also establishes a counter-terrorism center and provides for a spy satellite network capable of monitoring private communications systems. It mandates that all drivers licenses and birth certificates be standardized, thereby creating a national ID system. Some provisions of the Intelligence Reform Act were classified "top secret" and congressmen were not allowed to read them.(17) Americans have yet to discover what malignant ramifications the DNI may hold for the future.
Posted by: still here? at June 10, 2006 12:33 PM
I'll give Clueless "cudos" for all his unintended humor. Sad thing is you and I are the only ones on this blog who can appreciate his gay-baiting asshattery for what it is: the ranting of a racist clown.
By Jooeek
You're really regretting calling yourself Jooeek, who was raised by lesbians, aren't ya?
If you want to take it back, just say so.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 12:35 PM
Prediction!!!!! Hitler Bush wants to nuke Iran so he can create more bogeymen and cancel our national elections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 12:38 PM
Which one of these is the freak? What am I saying ... which one isn't? Hmmm, there's one for you about halfway down, Clueless. Looks like she has her dogs read to her too. Check hir out, Clueless. Could be a match made in heaven for you.
By Pandenial
Pande, your starting to lose your sense of humor dude. Stick to the cut and paste funnies page because when you attempt humor on your own, well it just doesn't work for me.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 12:39 PM
Obviously you don't read so good, dude. Busby maxed out the Dem vote in a district that was 60% white, 100% gerrymandered safely for the Reds. Every other Democrat hadn't gotten any closer than 50,000 votes in their elections.
By Pandenial
Sure, but if you take out the illegal votes, by illegal aliens, that she was caught on tape soliciting for free benefits, then well the true numbers don't look so good.
Again, no other Democrat hasn't reached the 50,000 mark because if you have no agenda and no new ideas then why bother?
Now I know why you have such a passion for the word clueless.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 12:48 PM
When I was a younger man I saw an opinion-editorial written by David Corn in a newspaper.
The time was post 9 / 11 but still was the
year 2001 .
In it, Mr. Corn talked about the need to unite not only the United States Of America BUT THE ENTIRE CIVILIZED WORLD AGAINST VERY REAL ,
VERY DETERMINED TERRORISTS .
Uh, since that time there's been .......
Thousands of attacks on Americans inside Iraq.
Hundreds of attacks on Americans inside Afghanistan.
A terrorist attack in Spain. More than one terrorist attack in Egypt. A terrorist attack in India. More than one terrorist attack in Turkey. A terrorist attack in England.
A terrorist attack in Jordan. More than
one terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia.
Thousands of terrorist actions on civilians inside of Iraq. Hundreds of terrorist
actions on civilians inside of Afghanistan.
And , as is so often the case , the government of Israel still " bickers " with
the Palestinians.
What has yet to happen, though, is that uniting .
WHERE's THE UNITING , George ?
WhERE's THE UNITING , George ?
I looked, earlier today, at the stats
about the countries helping the U.S. military in Iraq. Uh, is that the best you can do, George ?
Yeah, Great Britain's helping the U.S. military. Yeah, Japan and Italy, too.
Uh, then what ?
Face it, the world , on the whole, ain't
thrilled by the Iraq War the way it is
thrilled by the World Cup soccer tournament.
Face it, the ' leadership ' in Washington D.C. has let the citizenry of this country down.
Face it, the 'leadership ' in Washington
D.C. has let the citizenry of
this country down.
Anderson Petition
Saturday June 10, 2006
American Military Death Toll in Iraq :
( at least ) 2,487
Of those, 1,950 were due to hostile action.
Did it need to be A M E R I CA N soldiers,
George ?
Posted by: Anderson Petition at June 10, 2006 12:50 PM
Weary of the Bushbots? Try driftglass.blogspot.com!
Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 10, 2006 12:52 PM
Hitler Bush has committed atrocities against humanity. He has murdered women and children. He says that he is a born again Christian who is pro-life. Hitler Bush is really a pro-murdering low life.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 12:54 PM
Robert S.
I live in the district. My immediate thought was. this was stolen. Then, I thought again and I realized, no it's the Republicans. WHAT DO THEY WANT? They want it all.
Posted by: Carey at June 10, 2006 12:59 PM
"how about your buddies at MoveOn that got turned down for spreading lies?"
"The ads say they accepted thousands of dollars in donations from defense contractors and then "opposed penalties for contractors like Halliburton who overcharged the military in Iraq."
By LBH
The problem is that Pryce did accept money from defense contractors then voted down a Dem proposal to punish war profiteers. Where's Moveon's lie?
By Pandenial
Ask the attorneys for the network that turned them down for shady evidence. Show me the facts Mr Denial. You do have facts to back up what MoveOn couldn't, right?
I guess now you want to add attorney at law along with economist to your ever expanding resume.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 01:01 PM
War is a narcotic.
War is a narcotic. War gives certain people a high. Bush is a drug addict who says he has recovered but the Iraq war is an addictive narcotic that gives bush his daily high. He says that he has recovered but you never recover from an addictive personality. The longer a war lasts the more power goes to the government.
We start hating through language and from language we start to want to kill people. War gives the addictive personality meaning. Bush cannot exist without war. The state begins to define our being. The state must control us in order for us to kill. We cannot look at another person as part of humanity. Friends do not want war. You must, in war, want to kill and a person cannot be a friend to a person whom he is out to kill. People become intoxicated in war toward killing. You lose yourself and your identity as a human person in war.
If you oppose war, you court physical violence to yourself by the nationalists who desire and crave killing and war. You need moral courage to oppose war in America, a land that is overrun by nationalists who want killing and war.
Human beings do not want to kill other human beings. bush and cheney are not human beings because they want to kill human beings. bush and cheney turned away from people who had empathy for us after 9/11. We had an opportunity to build friendships but we became racists.
The republican party possesses extremists who are doing great damage to our relations in the world. Once you become violent, you hang onto and remain violent because you cannot behave any other way. Violence comes back to haunt a country. Our violence to other countries will come back to haunt us. We do not have the right to control other people.
I TRULY BELIEVE THAT BUSH AND CHENEY ARE PLANNING A TERRORIST ATTACK INSIDE THE USA THROUGH A COVERT OPERATION WITH THE JACKALS (CIA) SO THEY CAN REMAIN IN CONTROL AND IN POWER FOREVER.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 01:01 PM
From driftglass: "...this week vividly demonstrated that the GOP is, at last, fueled by NOTHING but hate, and is led by men and women who carefully feed the most loathsome of human impulses, and then rig their sails to financially and electorally exploit the hurricane of hatred that they have deliberately incited."
The most depressing thing about this strategy is not that some low people in high places keep doing it, but that it keeps working. I MUST wonder just how immoral and/or dim-witted my fellow Americans (my fellow non-elite palefaces in particular) are, that they keep biting on the bait.
From the Slough of Despond, Kid Charlemagne
Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 10, 2006 01:02 PM
Pandenial asks:
If your OK with republicans taking bribes just say so.
Pandenial, I believe Cunningham is in jail. Abramoff is in jail. Tom Delay has stepped down, but your buddy William Jefferson is not only still a Democrat Congressman, he's still in a leadership position.
I warned ya about that denial train.
Posted by: lbh at June 10, 2006 01:10 PM
Blame Bush
Bush has committed the supreme international crime!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 01:12 PM
Can it get any worse for progressives already in deep depression over last weeks defeats?
Well, yes it can.
Bush Approval Ratings Up On Zarqawi's Death (44.2%)
Investors Business Daily ^ | Monday June 12,
Yesterday, President Bush was more popular than he's been all year.
The president's lagging poll numbers got a swift boost in overnight tracking surveys from Thursday's news that United States warplanes had killed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the most wanted terrorist in Iraq.
Polling done on Thursday night for the IBD/TIPP Presidential Leadership Index gave George W. Bush a 44.2 rating, up from 39.1 on the first of June and 38.9 in May.
Don, Robert, looks like Bush is more popular now than your beloved Dingy Harry.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 01:17 PM
This ones for you Don & Pandenial:
'ENGLISH' SLAP RILES UP PHILLY (Geno's cheesesteak emporium slapped by hyphenating councilman)
NY POST ^ | June 10, 2006 | AP
A city official has asked Geno's, one of Philadelphia's best-known cheesesteak joints, to take down a sign......"This is America: When ordering, speak English."
Councilman Jim Kenney noted some residents of linguistically diverse South Philadelphia find the sign offensive.
.....Geno's owner, Joseph Vento, a grandson of Sicilian immigrants....(said) "I don't see much of a big deal about learning to say, 'Cheez Whiz.' "
What a friggin slam! LOL
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 01:22 PM
Please read the Blame Bush post! Scott Ritter wrote a great article.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 01:23 PM
Q: What's the difference between the HINDENBURG and Rush Limbaugh?
A: One is a huge flaming Nazi gasbag--and the other was a dirigible.
Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week; don't forget to tip your servers...I got this joke from Stephanie Miller's show. She can be accessed 8am-11am CDT at wavz.com. Segments can be accessed from stephaniemiller.com.
Another one from Steph: David Horowitz said that Ann Coulter is "a national treasure". Steph agreed, adding "and one that should be buried immediately." *snork*
If Steph isn't already one of Gerald's foxes, she oughta be.
From the swamps of Arkansas, Kid Charlemagne
Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 10, 2006 01:29 PM
"What else is love but understanding and rejoicing in the fact that another person lives, acts, and experiences otherwise than we do?" ~ Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:30 PM
Nazi Americans love atrocities against humanity, murders, and war crimes. With each atrocity, murder, and war crime Hitler Bush's popularity increases.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 01:30 PM
Doesn't get any better tahn this, and it's from Canada. I guess they've had it with liberals.
Zarqawi, the leftÐNever give a sucker an even break
By John Burtis
Saturday, June 10, 2006
Part 1
ItÕs so darned funny and I am such a na•f. I thought it would take a day or two for the left to begin to down play the death of Zarqawi, one of the premier death dealers on the planet today, and a guy responsible for a litany of murder and mayhem among our troops--OUR TROOPS. You know, the guys everybody pledges to support even though the liberal cognoscenti and the progressive Nomenklatura all hate the war.
But my feeble calculations were off by a power of ten. It appears that the left, the Democrats and Air America were right in there slinging mud, down playing the impact of Mr. ZarqawiÕs death, belittling the accomplishments of the "Prince of al-Qaeda" in Iraq--directed last fall to set-up a caliphate in Iraq by none other than Mr. Zawahiri--and calling for our withdrawal almost as soon as the news broke.
But from John Kerry, to Knight-Ridder, UPI, Pete Stark, Dennis Kucinich, and Randi Rhodes, among the other notables, the great round up of left wing apologists were right in there pitching their tales of woe before the dust had cleared around the bomb blasted house and before the plastic surgeons had rearranged AbuÕs shattered face for the early morning roll-out.
Mr. Kerry (H-UA) stepped right in to call for the withdrawal of combat troops by the end of the year, not a new tune for the Winter Soldier, but the death of Mr. Zarqawi has served to add another verse and refrain to the same old song he sings so well.
Nancy Pelosi (S-OL) congratulated our troops, before calling for our retreat because of the loss of the VA records of the WWII veterans, which she valiantly confused with those currently serving.
The faux Night Riders scribbled that the death of the foremost murderer in Iraq will have no impact there, of course, not where he has been killing a ton of people for years, or in Jordanian hotels during weddings for that matter. While the left-handed UPI sky writers exclaimed that the capture of Mr. bin-Laden would be of absolutely no help for Mr. Bush, let alone anybody else who might be on the receiving end of one of his dastardly upcoming "plans."
Brother Pete Stark (D-OA) goes on to say that whole thing is a cover for Mr. BushÕs nether regions, in an echo of anther quaint liberal voice belonging to that sweet Ms. Whoopi Goldberg, and a last gasp to improve his poll numbers, while BrÕer Dennis Kucinich (D-IP) touts his own addled version of reality where Mr. Zarqawi was just a walk-on bit player on an already booming anti-American stage, though the name of the director currently escapes him.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 01:31 PM
I just got to this thread, and hate to interrupt all the chatty chat with a serious opinion, but I am going to take up again my usual theme that nobody ever comments on: The rule of law. Murder is not lawful, not even when a terrorist is the victim. I am astonished how Americans have even assumed the mobster language of the gang world and talk about "taking out" the "bad guys". Nobody sees the contradiction anymore. Even soldiers are allowed to use this language. It only debases its users. Even David Corn talks that way.
Posted by: Karen at June 10, 2006 01:32 PM
Part 2
Randi Rhodes, fellow assassination jokester with Alan Hevesi, and impromptu impresario of the amazing disappearing Air America, which has finally lost their flagship station in NYC after a prolonged scuttling, extolled al-Qaeda for pleading with Mr. Zarqawi to slow down the slaughter of the innocents, and opined that we should do the same with our troops.
For days, if not weeks, there will be a deafening silence to be heard from those two outlandishly pantomiming former chief executives, Mr. Carter and Mr. Clinton, who will reserve judgment until the proper audience can be assembled and properly shaken down for cash.
For Mr. Carter, this will have something to do with the confluence of those two great pro-American bodies, the lily pure UN and the perfectly democratic Palestinian State, and will feature Mr. PeanutÕs views on how the premeditated murder of a poor suffering Mr. Zarqawi, the victim of a troubled youth, will in some way deleteriously affect the rightful operations of these two sainted and august bodies.
Mr. Clinton, before a paying foreign audience, where he can really let fly, will sagely review his own wise anti-terrorist policies and recall how their implementation by the Bush administration, had they but taken his wise counsel, so often and painfully offered, would have resulted in the stultification of radical Islam, the marginalization of dubious characters like Mr. Zarqawi, and an enduring legacy for Mr. Clinton.
And it saddens me, as it should all Americans, that the party in opposition, must sit down and compose themselves and their thoughts, and not appear too joyous, too happy, and not too glad that the primary killer of their sons and daughters Ñ our sons and daughters, too Ñ has been taken out by a precision combined arms operation directed by Iraqis and Americans.
There are no even breaks offered from the left, not in a war that threatens every American with annihilation of some kind to be delivered by boyos just like Mr. Zarqawi, especially when the old gods Ñ Stalin, Guevara, Ho Chi Minh, Mao Ñ are gone.
The new gods of the left Ñ Chavez, Castro, Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong Il Ñ are lesser men than the old, while the new tin gods Ñ Clinton, Annan, Carter Ñ are reed thin jokes.
But in the end, I am a sucker, as we all are, to think that the left wing, the Democrats and their slavish tools in the drive-by media could in any way whatsoever view the swift elimination of a piratical serial killing bandit as anything other than a ploy or a hoax to be denigrated.
On we go, into the next bit of high camp, where the next bit of good news for all Americans will be greeted with silence, sneers, denunciation and lip service from our friends on the left Ñ such is the bottomless depth of their love for their country and its citizens.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 01:34 PM
The Official Bogeyman Of The Week is dead. Hoo-rah, extra rah. NOW can we bring our troops home?---KC
Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 10, 2006 01:34 PM
we saw the true fascist face of Chertoff's Homeland Security megalith last year when he called together some 50 large corporations, including Microsoft, Oracle and Verizon, to enlist their help in watching and tracking the activities of Americans. He told them that Homeland Security was considering hiring a non-profit group to gather information on citizens and send their names for scrutiny to Homeland Security.(20)
This is the classic fascist formula-corporations invited by Homeland Security to enrich themselves by keeping 300 million Americans under surveillance as suspicious characters. The Department is now collecting a gargantuan amount of information on every citizen-from every imaginable source- with its new "dataveillance" system called "Analysis, Dissemination, Visualization, Insight and Semantic Enhancement (ADVISE)." By sifting through mountains of computerized information, Chertoff's Gestapo may now identify our "critical patterns of behavior" in order to assess our "motives and intentions."(21)
Posted by: still here? at June 10, 2006 01:35 PM
My God, please remember me and not judge me harshly! Please let me hear your greatest fifteen words when I am called to judgment! WELCOME HOME MY GOOD AND FAITHFUL FRIEND. COME I HAVE PREPARED A PLACE FOR YOU.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 01:35 PM
Karen,
Please define murder of a terrorist? If you believe all murder is wrong then you must believe abortion is wrong also, yes? What about self defense?
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 01:39 PM
Inside the Little House of Scandal
Curious to see more of the Little House of Scandal -- the million-dollar Capitol Hill home purchased by lobbyist and former "earmark queen" Letitia White and a defense contractor, which is the listed address of a defense-related PAC run by Rep. Jerry Lewis' (R-CA) stepdaughter?
Reader WD sends a link to an online "virtual tour" of the home, probably circa 2003 when White and her co-owner, Trident Systems CEO Nick Karangelen, bought it for $50,000 over asking. Take a peek.
More HERE
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A little virtual tour of the "Scandal Shack" - a little diversion!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:42 PM
We are deputizing the military to spy on law-abiding Americans in America.
....Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), a member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Posted by: spy on this! at June 10, 2006 01:44 PM
It was interesting to watch the elections from Britain on C-Span last time.
They had special camera teams following the sealed boxes of paper ballots, going to district counting areas where they were hand counted on camera.
Seems best to me.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 01:48 PM
Kentucky Gov. Fletcher Pleads Not Guilty
FRANKFORT, Ky. -- Gov. Ernie Fletcher pleaded not guilty Friday to charges accusing him of illegal hiring practices _ a plea entered by his attorney while the governor vacationed in Florida.
Judge David Melcher scheduled his trial for Nov. 8.
Fletcher is accused of rewarding political supporters with protected state jobs after he took office in 2003.
Fletcher's personal attorney, R. Kent Westberry, entered the governor's pleas to misdemeanor charges of conspiracy, official misconduct and political discrimination. Fletcher was not required to appear.
The grand jury has been investigating his administration since a Transportation Cabinet whistle-blower turned over hundreds of internal administration e-mails and memos relating to hiring decisions. Prosecutors have alleged an illegal scheme to base rank-and-file personnel decisions on political connections, rather than on merit as required by law.
Last summer, Fletcher issued a blanket pardon for anyone in his administration who might face charges in the investigation _ except himself.
More HERE
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More than a little interesting that he would pardon everybody but himself.
At least he sounds a little different. I have never heard that kind of a thing.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:49 PM
The global plutocratic hegemony uses its control of the US government to send good Americans to fight and kill and die for the filthy profits and unrighteous dominion of the plutocracy, and its control of the McMedia to bamboozle the folks back home into thinking these wars are essential to their security. Between that plutocracy and its violent adversaries, I can only say with Shakespeare's Mercutio, "A plague on both your houses!" I think the plutocracy's days are numbered, though. The death of What's-His-Name will not prevent the brown peoples of the world from amputating the gripping hands of the Stupid White Men.
From the swamps of Arkansas, Kid Charlemagne
Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 10, 2006 01:50 PM
LBH spouts:
If only I had a dollar for every Latino customer I've turned away because they couldn't speak English.
Hmmm...you're a businessman, are you? LOL! I call bullshit! You realize you're suggesting you'd be rich if you didn't have to turn away so many Latino customers, don't you? Perhaps you should consider learning Spanish or hiring someone who speaks it. Seems to me a good businessman figures out how to stop turning customers away. Truly, you are a clueless twit.
Posted by: Don at June 10, 2006 09:42 AM
= = = = = = =
I'll give 10 to 1 odds LBH does NOT have a reasonable response, if he offers any response at all beside 'you effin low life librul.'
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 01:51 PM
"Seems best to me."
I missed that but it makes too much sense.
This whole "election" thing is as old as the hills (and so is the stealing of votes).
Our congress and senate knew darn well they were selling the process in favor of a more corrupt system.
I think it is because both sides thought they could steal it better never considering that promotes the most skilled thief?
UGH!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:53 PM
Do Nazi Americans realize that we are all becoming murderers and war criminals?
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 01:54 PM
GOOD for Trinidad & Tobago!
0 - 0 v. Sweden!
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 01:54 PM
Condoning Hitler Bush's behavior signals the evil in all of us.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 01:56 PM
Calamari marinara sounds more appetizing than fried squid in tomato sauce, don'cha think?
Would you like spaghetti or boiled noodles? Manacotti, lasagne?
Isn't one of the joys of being in a cosmopolitan area the ability to taste the wide variety of cuisines from all over the world?
And isn't one of those pleasures learning what those delectables are called?
cheeze-whiz = faux fromage?
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 02:01 PM
280
Either LBH is a bad businessman who discriminates against non-english speaking customers or he's a liar.
Just how much english does anyone need to know to make a purchase at the Gas-n-Sip?
They aren't there to buy a complex product like computer networks, legal representation or architectural services. They just need to know how to count money. . . and that doesn't require English.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 02:04 PM
Words to the bushgod
Here are the words to the bushgod that the neocons, the fundamentalists, and the evangelicals recite on a daily basis.
Dear bushgod may we be like you in every way. May we embrace your thinking and your beliefs so that we can be more like you. You are our emperor and our king. We want to honor you and worship you more and more.
Let us fondly accept the seven wondrous characteristics of you, our bushgod. Please let us always pursue these characteristics daily and keep them close to us. Please let us hate, kill, torture, crave wars, be corrupt, greedy, and incessant liars. We believe that these seven wondrous characteristics will always make us happy.
We will proudly shout it out six times per day, The glory of Hitler Bush is man fully and totally dead.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 02:08 PM
NAVY SUED OVER HARM TO WHALES FROM MID-FREQUENCY SONAR
LOS ANGELES (October 19, 2005) -- Ear-splitting sonar used throughout the world's oceans during routine testing and training by the United States Navy harms marine mammals in violation of bedrock environmental laws, according to a lawsuit filed here today in federal court. Whales, dolphins and other marine animals could be spared excruciating injury and death with common sense precautions, but the Navy refuses to implement them, according to the lawsuit, brought by a coalition of conservation and animal welfare organizations led by the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC).
[...]
Mass stranding and mortality events associated with mid-frequency sonar exercises have occurred, among other places, in North Carolina (2005); Haro Strait off the coast of Washington State (2003); the Canary Islands (2004, 2002, 1989, 1986, 1985); Madeira (2000); the U.S. Virgin Islands (1999, 1998); and in Greece (1996). One of the best documented incidents occurred in the Bahamas in 2000 when 16 whales of three species stranded along 150 miles of shoreline as ships blasted the area with sonar. The U.S. Navy later acknowledged in an official report that its use of sonar was the likely cause of the stranding.
The association between sonar and whale mortalities is "very convincing and appears overwhelming," according to a report issued last year by the scientific committee of the International Whaling Commission, one of the world's leading bodies of whale biologists. The committee also noted concerns that stranding reports may underestimate sonar harm because they do not account for whales that die at sea and are never found.
More.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 02:11 PM
Q: Why would you spend so much time around people you describe as wack-jobs?
A: Because I still have hope for ya man. Someday there will be a cure for liberalism and I just want to help because I love ya man!!!!!!!!! (nine this time)
= = =
Fair enough. That raises a few more questions. Why are you rude to bloggers with opinions left of center? Why are you inflamatory and disengenuous in your posts? Why do you bother to post in the company of people you dont respect?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 02:14 PM
From high sources inside the federal government there is a debate as to who will be the next bogeyman. Gerald has made the short list.
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 02:15 PM
Are terrorists so busy they don't concern themselves with who is ' winning ' and who is
' losing ' ?
Uh, was George Washington a terrorist ?
Uh, over to you LBH......
Anderson Petition
Posted by: Anderson Petition at June 10, 2006 02:17 PM
"Uh, was George Washington a terrorist"
Yes, or I think more accurately an insurgent - from the British (Kings) point of view.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:22 PM
June 10, 2006 -- How does the Department of Veterans Affairs react to the loss, through theft of a laptop computer, of tens of millions of veterans' and active duty records containing personal sensitive data, including Social Security Numbers and medical histories? They turn the same records over to the IRS. The editor received a letter from Veterans Secretary Jim Nicholson that warned vets of the problems of identity theft and provided information where to report problems from fraudulent data collectors engaged in "phishing." Reasonable enough. However, the letter concluded by stating the Veterans Affairs Department has shared vet names with the Internal Revenue Service. In justifying the matching of data, the letter cited no governing law but "current policy" in permitting the Internal Revenue Service to have access to Veterans Affairs records. Nicholson's letter claims that the VA does not have current addresses for all affected individuals. The letter also states, "the IRS has not disclosed your address or any other tax information to us."
What is of concern is not so much what the IRS is sharing with the VA but vice versa. The Bush administration has casually tossed in the garbage yet another Federal law on privacy: the Computer Matching and Privacy Protection Act of 1988, which was signed by President Ronald Reagan and amended in 1990. The CMPPA, as amended, specifies that:
Federal agencies involved in computer matching programs must:
"1. Negotiate written agreements with the other agency or agencies participating in the matching programs;
2. Obtain the relevant Data Integrity Boards' approval of the match agreements;
3. Furnish detailed reports about matching programs to Congress and OMB;
4. Notify applicants and beneficiaries that their records are subject to matching; and
5. Verify match findings before reducing, suspending, terminating, or denying an individual's benefits or payments."
There is no indication that the VA or IRS accomplished requirements 1 through 4 before matching personal data of veterans and taxpayers.
However, the VA-IRS matching may have much more to do with requirement #5: verification of data matches before reducing, denying, suspending, or terminating a veteran's benefits. There is also the likelihood that the VA-IRS data matching is being conducted as part of a wider program to tax veterans' medical and other benefits.
During the 1980s, 90s, and as late as 2003, the GOP has sought to tax employer-provided health benefits for two reasons: to generate more revenue to offset the growing federal deficit and drive employees away from employer-based health plans to individually-purchased plans. The most recent attempt was made in 2003 by Utah Republican Senator Robert Bennett.
After the Bush administration's machinations and scheming with Medicare and Medicaid, the sharing of VA data with the IRS indicates that vets may be the next to be targeted in the GOP's attempt to eliminate what they refer to as "entitlement programs." News for the GOP: we veterans are entitled to everything we were promised when we served on active duty. You GOPers may want to read about the 1932 World War I veterans' Bonus March on Washington and how that display of civil disobedience helped to unseat the corrupt Herbert Hoover Republican administration and paved the way for the election of Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Wayne Madsen
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Long time readers here may remember my bringing up the Bonus Army in the past...
When the active U.S. Army was turned against the veterans of W.W.I.
President Hoover ordered the army to clear out the veterans. Infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks were dispatched with Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur in command. Major Dwight D. Eisenhower served as his liaison with Washington police and Major George Patton led the cavalry.
By 4:45 P.M. the troops were massed on Pennsylvania Ave. below the Capitol. Thousands of Civil Service employees spilled out of work and lined the streets to watch. The veterans, assuming the military display was in their honor, cheered. Suddenly Patton's troopers turned and charged. "Shame, Shame" the spectators cried. Soldiers with fixed bayonets followed, hurling tear gas into the crowd.
By nightfall the BEF had retreated across the Anacostia River where Hoover ordered MacArthur to stop. Ignoring the command, the general led his infantry to the main camp. By early morning the 10,000 inhabitants were routed and the camp in flames. Two babies died and nearby hospitals overwhelmed with casualties. Eisenhower later wrote, "the whole scene was pitiful. The veterans were ragged, ill-fed, and felt themselves badly abused. To suddenly see the whole encampment going up in flames just added to the pity." - Excerpted from: The Bonus Army
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That's right folks, Ike, George Patton & Douglas MacArthur attacked hungry and ill-clothed U.S. W.W.I. veterans living in tents. Smedley Butler was with the vets...
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 02:25 PM
Either LBH is a bad businessman who discriminates against non-english speaking customers or he's a liar.
I bet he mows yards.
Posted by: Alan at June 10, 2006 02:27 PM
Jack the Cat Chases Black Bear Up Tree
WEST MILFORD, N.J. (AP) -- A black bear picked the wrong yard for a jaunt, running into a territorial tabby who ran the furry beast up a tree - twice.
Jack, a 15-pound orange and white cat, keeps a close vigil on his property, often chasing small animals, but his owners and neighbors say his latest escapade was surprising.
"We used to joke, 'Jack's on duty,' never knowing he'd go after a bear," owner Donna Dickey told The Star-Ledger of Newark for Friday's editions.
Neighbor Suzanne Giovanetti first spotted Jack's accomplishment after her husband saw a bear climb a tree on the edge of their northern New Jersey property on Sunday. Giovanetti thought Jack was simply looking up at the bear, but soon realized the much larger animal was afraid of the hissing cat.
After about 15 minutes, the bear descended and tried to run away, but Jack chased it up another tree.
Dickey, who feared for her cat, then called Jack home and the bear scurried back to the woods.
"He doesn't want anybody in his yard," Dickey said.
Bear sightings are not unusual in West Milford, which experts consider one of the state's most bear-populated areas.
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We had a miniature Dachshund (pretty small dog) that would run off large dogs with fearlessness that bordered on insane. Candy (our dog) would bark and charge at German Shepherd sized dogs and snap at their paws!
The big dogs always left.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:31 PM
Abramoff Cohort Says SunCruz Killer Is Dead
Associated Press
Saturday, June 10, 2006; A11
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla., June 9 -- A man who bought a gambling-boat operation with lobbyist Jack Abramoff in 2000 says he knows who gunned down the company's founder the following year, authorities said.
Adam Kidan told authorities last month that SunCruz Casinos founder Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis was killed by John Gurino, a man with mob connections who was later shot to death by a business partner, said Art Carbo, an investigator with the Broward County State Attorney's office.
More.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 02:37 PM
Trinidad and Tobago 0-0 Sweden
Trinidad and Tobago held on for a courageous draw despite playing the whole of the second half with 10 men.
Soca Warriors defender Avery John picked up the first red card of the World Cup after two reckless tackles.
Cornell Glen had Trinidad and Tobago's best chance with a thumping drive that hit the bar, but they were pinned back for much of the game.
Marcus Allback and Zlatan Ibrahimovic both should have done better with good chances but the islanders held on.
The result means that England will progress to the next round if they beat Trinidad and Tobago on Thursday.
While Sweden will be looking to take three points from Paraguay on the same day.
More HERE
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A good showing for T&T! They were not expected to keep Sweden to a Zero.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:40 PM
Was George Washington a terrorist?
How safe was it to be a Tory in the Revolutionary Colonies? Hint, many went to Canada...
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 02:40 PM
#334,
It is always "the dead guy did it"!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:41 PM
Thanks for the reply , Capt.
I risk very little by quoting Tracy Chapman here, but I will do so just the same......
" Somebody's gonna have to answer,
For a time is coming,
Soon, when the blind remove
their blinders,
and the speechless speak the
TRUTH. "
Tracy Chapman
song-title " Why "
Another good one is Stevie Wonder's
" Saturn ". I have never in my life
heard a commercial radio station play
Stevie Wonder's " Saturn " ( from the
" Songs in the Key of Life " )
am I to assume that the ' content '
of it rubs some folks the wrong way ?
Anderson Petition .
please visit www.iava.org
Posted by: Anderson Petition at June 10, 2006 02:45 PM
337 Especially if the RNC is engaged in the 'communication' strategy.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 02:45 PM
Terrorism Is a Tactic
Terrorism is a tactic, not an entity, and it is a tactic used by people who have a political grievance. Therefore, if you want to eliminate terrorism, you have to address the political problems that gave it birth.
President Bush has made no effort to do this. He has aggravated the situation and made it worse. He's created a virtual factory for terrorists.
I am a firm believer that what you sow you reap, and it is a bad business to sow hatred, but unfortunately it seems that our president has been seduced by the great power he commands. He thinks the military and the intelligence community can solve the problem of terrorism.
More HERE
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Terrorism as a tactic and terrorist as a word that is biased depending on who uses it. One side might call themselves "freedom fighters" while the same group might be called terrorists by others not in the group.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 02:49 PM
On Thursday Fr. Dan Berrigan turned 85. He was interviewed by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now!
Holy Outlaw: Lifelong Peace Activist Father Daniel Berrigan Turns 85
Wish I was in NYC today for:
New York, NY
Saturday, June 10, 2006
Birthday Celebration for Father Dan Berrigan
With Amy Goodman, Pete Seeger, Howard Zinn, Liz McAlister, Ramsey Clark and other very special guests, for an evening of poetry, song and community, celebrating the 85th birthday of Fr. Daniel Berrigan. The radical priest, poet and anti-war activist helped ignite a generation of dissent against the war in Vietnam, and with unmatched persistence, has remained an advocate of active non-violence.
June 10th, at 7pm St.Ignatius Church, 980 Park Ave. @ 83rd St.
$25 to $50 suggested donation, no one turned away.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 02:57 PM
Plus if I think you are a terrorist I can go ahead and send my army over to where-you-are
, kill you , and hey, that's cool because I thought you were a terrorist.
Whoa, duuuuuuuuuuuude. Nice how that works for CheneyBushRumsfeldRoveRice and Co.
Anderson Petition
Posted by: Anderson Petition at June 10, 2006 02:59 PM
Murtha to Seek Majority Leader Post If Democrats Win U.S. House
June 9 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Representative John Murtha, a Vietnam War veteran who has called for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, said he plans to run for majority leader if Democrats win control of the House in the November elections.
Murtha, 73, sent a two-sentence letter to all House Democrats today stating his interest in the post, said his spokeswoman, Cindy Abram.
``Our goal is to win the House back and if there's an open seat, I'm the candidate,'' Murtha said in a prepared statement.
Murtha's bid would be a challenge to the current No. 2 Democrat, Representative Steny Hoyer of Maryland. Hoyer, who is the Democrats' vote-counting whip, has differed with Murtha and Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California on whether to call for withdrawal of troops from Iraq and on other issues.
Hoyer, at a weekly meeting with reporters this week, ruled out challenging Pelosi for House speaker if Democrats win control. His spokeswoman, Stacey Bernards, said today that Hoyer plans to run for majority leader if Democrats prevail.
More HERE
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I am not going to hold my breath waiting for a Democrat majority. In the unlikely event that Diebold blows it or the GOP phone jamming is prevented, if we can somehow put the kibosh on the purging of voter rolls and keep the neocons from disenfranchising black, Latino and Democrat voters, if the GOP do not reverse every loss in court and the Democrats do get a majority, I would much rather have Kucinich over Murtha.
If history is any guide Murtha is pro war, pro-military action and has only seen Iraq as a problem. Far too likely he would support military action in Iran, North Korea or other hot-spots.
Not the right man for the job. (IMHO)
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 03:03 PM
Cornposters! Not only quantity but quality as well today...
Posted by: David B. Benson at June 10, 2006 03:04 PM
*from the other blog regarding voting machine code, and I'm not sure if he was serious or not, but...
Its DAMN simple too:
Based on just ONE instruction
the Exclusive Or (op code = XC)
Instruction works like this:
XC A,B
Values in storage locations A and B are treated as binary values, operation starts at rightmost bit of both fields. The result of Exclusive Or operation replaces original value in location A.
A....B........Result in A (for each bit pair in A and B )
0....0........0
1....0........1
0....1........1
1....1........0
Thus every Nth Gore vote:
XC BUSH,GORE
XC GORE,BUSH
XC BUSH,GORE
Nice thing is no intermediate storage locations are needed, thus NO TRACKS.
Arthur
Posted by: Alan at June 10, 2006 03:19 PM
Unreported: The Zarqawi Invitation
By Greg Palast
t r u t h o u t | Report
Friday 09 June 2006
They got him - the big, bad, beheading berserker in Iraq. But, something's gone unreported in all the glee over getting Zarqawi - who invited him into Iraq in the first place?
If you prefer your fairy tales unsoiled by facts, read no further. If you want the uncomfortable truth, begin with this: A phone call to Baghdad to Saddam's Palace on the night of April 21, 2003. It was Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on a secure line from Washington to General Jay Garner.
The General had arrives in Baghdad just hours before to take charge of the newly occupied nation. The message from Rumsfeld was not a heartwarming welcome. Rummy told Garner, Don't unpack, Jack - you're fired.
What had Garner done? The many-starred general had been sent by the President himself to take charge of a deeply dangerous mission. Iraq was tense but relatively peaceful. Garner's job was to keep the peace and bring democracy.
Unfortunately for the general, he took the President at his word. But the general was wrong. "Peace" and "Democracy" were the slogans.
"My preference," Garner told me in his understated manner, "was to put the Iraqis in charge as soon as we can and do it in some form of elections."
But elections were not in The Plan.
The Plan was a 101-page document to guide the long-term future of the land we'd just conquered. There was nothing in it about democracy or elections or safety. There was, rather, a detailed schedule for selling off "all [Iraq's] state assets" - and Iraq, that's just about everything - "especially," said The Plan, "the oil and supporting industries." Especially the oil.
There was more than oil to sell off. The Plan included the sale of Iraq's banks, and weirdly, changing it's copyright laws and other odd items that made the plan look less like a program for Iraq to get on its feet than a program for corporate looting of the nation's assets. (And indeed, we discovered at BBC, behind many of the odder elements - copyright and tax code changes - was the hand of lobbyist Jack Abramoff's associate Grover Norquist.)
But Garner didn't think much of The Plan, he told me when we met a year later in Washington. He had other things on his mind. "You prevent epidemics, you start the food distribution program to prevent famine."
Seizing title and ownership of Iraq's oil fields was not on Garner's must-do list. He let that be known to Washington. "I don't think [Iraqis] need to go by the U.S. plan, I think that what we need to do is set an Iraqi government that represents the freely elected will of the people." He added, "It's their country, their oil."
more.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 03:24 PM
Robotics Sensor Images the Sense of Touch
One of the biggest challenges in robotics engineering is mimicking the human sense of touch. The ability to respond to texture and pressure is essential for delicate tasks, such as surgery. To that end, researchers have developed a new type of sensor that has a tactile sensitivity comparable to that of human fingertips--making it 50 times more sensitive than previously existing technology.
The device, a so-called electroluminescent thin film, glows in response to applied pressure. The result is a finely detailed image of the texture of any object that touches the film. Designers Vivek Maheshwari and Ravi Saraf of the University of Nebraska-Lincoln demonstrated this effect by pressing a penny against the device (see image). Because the sensor produces data in the form of an optical image, the data can be quickly and easily collected by simply photographing the image. This represents a major step forward in the ease and efficiency of collecting information from tactile sensors. Quick data collection is critical to performing real-time tasks, for example grasping a tool with a robotic arm. If the tool starts to slip, the image produced by the electroluminescent film immediately shows the tool's motion, and the robotÕs grip can then be adjusted to prevent it from falling.
The novel technology, described in today's issue of Science, also offers an advantage over earlier ones because it is self-assembled. The thin film consists of layers of gold and semiconducting nanoparticles that are produced out of solution, so the sensor can be built to conform to complex shapes, such as those on robotic appendages or surgical instruments. "You ultimately have to make a device on a very curved surface, like a cylinder, or an endoscope. Most of the existing technologies are too rigid; they won't bend that far," Saraf says.
The next step for this technology, according to Saraf, is to try to use its sensitivity to discern cancer cells from normal cells during surgery. By "feeling" tissue with the sensor, a surgeon may one day be able to differentiate and remove only diseased cells, leaving healthy tissue intact. In the future, it may also be possible to use similar technology to detect temperature as well as pressure, leading to improvements in the resolution of infrared cameras and ultrasound scans. --Karen Schrock
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For all the nerds and geeks and serendipitous souls. Not the holy grail but a prize sought for some time. The applications of which can change lives.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 03:26 PM
Cornposters! Not only quantity but quality as well today...
Posted by: David B. Benson at June 10, 2006
I concur... me thinks lbh is out mowing lawns.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 03:29 PM
Bush - Most Hated President Ever Stole Both Elections
The latest polls say Americans now dislike Bush more than any other president including even Tricky Dick. It only took the public five and half year to see through him.
That said, I wonder how long it will take people to accept the news that Bush never won either election and the country is in such a mess that it will take 50 years to get back to how it was when Bush took office.
According to Robert Kennedy Jr's article in the June issue of Rolling Stone, "Republicans derided anyone who expressed doubts about Bush's victory as nut cases in "tinfoil hats."
Well Republicans can call me whatever they like because this nut-case is finally going to weigh in on this subject.
Bush needed Ohio. He could not win the election without Ohio and he knew it.
So just as you might expect with the Bush gang, voter fraud was rampant in Ohio, described as "the critical battleground state that clinched Bush's victory in the Electoral College," by Mr Kennedy.
I can certainly verify that allegation. I lived in Ohio at the time and I went to vote plenty early before going to work and was there when the polls were supposed to open at 6:30 am. I ended up standing out in the rain for an hour and 45 minutes and when I got inside, voters had to track people down to explain what room or voting machine to go to.
I lived in a Democratic precinct by the way. But it was worse than that in other Democratic precincts in other parts of the state.
Some people ended up standing in line for up to 12 hours. But only those people who could miss work and go without pay for a whole day and not get fired for not showing up. And as we all know those people who could not wait in line were certainly not Republicans.
I had never seen anything like it in my life.
I knew Bush stole the election by the time the polls closed in Ohio. I knew it because in working for a major media outlet, by late afternoon I knew that all the exit polls had Kerry winning. But by the time I left work to go home, the news channels were saying "all the exit polls" are wrong. Yea right, all the exit polls were wrong.
Don't people realize how impossible that would be?
More HERE
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An interesting albeit obvious piece. Some do not realize it at all.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 03:50 PM
Ann Coulter, a case of laryngeal pinochiitis?
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 03:54 PM
More from:
Evelyn Pringle: 'How Bush rigged Ohio election Ñ The Noe factor'
Posted on Friday, June 09 @ 09:34:48 EDT
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 04:06 PM
I have just returned from confession. My spiritual advisor has said that we are to love the sinner and hate the sin. Rather than focusing on the sinner in the WH I will try to focus on the sin. Remember that murders and war crimes are mortal sins. A mortal sin separates a person from God for all eternity. A person must be sincerely sorry for his sin or sins. There can be no smoke and mirrors or bait and switch tactics. Yes, Cornposters, hatred, murders, torture, war crimes, corruption, decadence, greed, and lies are mortal sins. These sins are the very essence and foundation of bushianity in Nazi America. Please turn away from these eight pillars of sin! Embrace God and His words of "Love one another as I have loved you!"
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 04:07 PM
Robert quoted:
The Plan was a 101-page document to guide the long-term future of the land we'd just conquered. There was nothing in it about democracy or elections or safety. There was, rather, a detailed schedule for selling off "all [Iraq's] state assets" - and Iraq, that's just about everything - "especially," said The Plan, "the oil and supporting industries." Especially the oil.
Was there ever any doubt? I'm surprised General Garner didn't end that sentence by quoting Butler himself: War is a racket.
The right-wing echo chamber will start smearing Garner as a traitor in 5...4...3...
Posted by: Don at June 10, 2006 04:10 PM
Cornposters, a conventional or nuclear attack upon Iran will be a mortal sin. Nazi Americans who advocate such an attack are committing a mortal sin!!! Rigging our elections are also mortal sins!!! Do you want eternal separation from God?
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 04:12 PM
"Anyway, in the San Diego primary, R's outspent D's two to one. The GOPher's did hold the seat, but by a margin that in now way reflects the make-up of the district. San Diego is a long way from San Fransico in more ways than geography." - Robert
Actually, Robert, the percentage of the vote the woman received was almost exactly the percentage that Al Gore and John Kerry received. Look it up.
So, what was it that I was supposed to respond to? Your response was a non-sequitor, which makes no claim on anything I said. The make up of the district includes the registration rates of various parties, the high rate of military in the the area, proximity to the Mexican border, etc.
The problem with arguing with these folks is they don't even know the rules of logic with which to play with. They'll skewer their strawmen until all the red-herrings are fished out of the sea, then take their ball and go home saying, "we won!"
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 04:28 PM
I'd settle for eternally separating God from Government, but Gerald, did you catch the piece on Fr, Dan Berrigan? #341
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 10, 2006 04:29 PM
Plan to empty Guantanamo
US President George Bush said yesterday he hoped to "empty" the US-run prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, by sending some detainees home and trying the most dangerous in US courts.
Bush said he understood concerns about the facility raised by visiting Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, and told reporters: "I assured him that we would like to end Guantanamo."
Of the 460 prisoners being held at the military-run prison, nly 10 have been formally charged and none have gone on trial.
More HERE
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I wonder if the other world leaders and diplomats get bugged when Bush lies to them?
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 04:43 PM
Guantanamo, Target of World Criticism, Seems Set for Long Life
They're settling in for the long haul at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Even as U.S. officials including President George W. Bush say they want to close it, work is almost finished on a $30 million state-of-the-art detention facility. More than 3,000 additional books are on their way to the library to help the 480 captured ``enemy combatants'' in the war on terrorism endure what may be an indefinite stay.
``We will stay here and do our mission and do it well until we no longer have a mission,'' U.S. Army Brigadier General Edward Leacock, the deputy commander of the detention operation, said in an interview this month at his headquarters on the 45-square-mile naval base the U.S. has leased from Cuba since 1903.
Guantanamo presents the Bush administration with a military and legal quandary. The war-crimes trials the military plans to hold for some detainees may be halted by the U.S. Supreme Court, while the release of other prisoners is being stymied by concern that they may be tortured by their governments or resume terrorist activities.
``No one would like to shut down Guantanamo more than this administration,'' Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on NBC's ``Meet the Press'' on May 21. The problem, she said, is what to do ``with the hundreds of dangerous people there who were caught on the battlefield, who are known to have connections, who regularly say that, if they're released, they're going to go back to killing Americans.''
More HERE
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Talk is cheap. $30 million in improvements sounds like a serious commitment to a long term occupancy.
"hundreds of dangerous people there who were caught on the battlefield" or some poor taxi driver that someone did not like and turned him over for the $$ bounty? No evidence has been given for most of the detainees.
"Actions lie louder than words" ~ Carolyn Wells
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 04:51 PM
Robert,
You made a comment, "The GOPhers did hold the seat, but by a margin that in now (sic) way reflects the make-up of the district."
Actually, the margin that the GOP (Bilbray) held the seat was by exactly the same margin that Bush won in 2000 and 2004, i.e., Francine Busby received the same percentage of votes that Al Gore and John Kerry got. Ergo, the special vote in every way reflected the make-up of the district.
Please try to pay a little more attention. You're not stupid like most of the other liberal posters here; dont' act like it.
Posted by: factchecker at June 10, 2006 05:03 PM
Brown: E-mail shows Bush glad FEMA took Katrina flak
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The former emergency management chief who quit amid widespread criticism over his handling of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina said he received an e-mail before his resignation stating President Bush was glad to see the Oval Office had dodged most of the criticism.
Michael Brown, former director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said Friday that he received the e-mail five days before his resignation from a high-level White House official whom he declined to identify.
The e-mail stated that Bush was relieved that Brown -- and not Bush or Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff -- was bearing the brunt of the flak over the government's handling of Katrina. (Watch how Brown fell from grace -- 4:00)
The September 2005 e-mail reads: "I did hear of one reference to you, at the Cabinet meeting yesterday. I wasn't there, but I heard someone commented that the press was sure beating up on Mike Brown, to which the president replied, 'I'd rather they beat up on him than me or Chertoff.' "
The sender adds, "Congratulations on doing a great job of diverting hostile fire away from the leader."
More HERE
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Any person that cannot see through the rhetoric is too blind to be believed.
"Congratulations on doing a great job of diverting hostile fire away from the leader."
The leader, eh?
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 05:05 PM
What Ashcroft Was Told
Then-Attorney General John Ashcroft continued to oversee the Valerie Plame-CIA leak probe for more than two months in late 2003 after he learned in extensive briefings that FBI agents suspected White House aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby of trying to mislead the FBI to conceal their roles in the leak, according to government records and interviews. Despite these briefings, which took place between October and December 2003, and despite the fact that senior White House aides might become central to the leak case, Ashcroft did not recuse himself from the matter until December 30, when he allowed the appointment of a special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, to take over the investigation.
According to people with firsthand knowledge of the briefings, senior Justice Department officials told Ashcroft that the FBI had uncovered evidence that Libby, then chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, had misled the bureau about his role in the leaking of Plame's identity to the press.
By November, investigators had obtained personal notes of Libby's that indicated he had first learned from Cheney that Plame was a CIA officer. But Libby was insisting in FBI interviews that he had learned Plame's name and identity from journalists. Libby was also telling investigators that when he told reporters that Plame worked for the CIA, he was only passing along an unsubstantiated rumor.
Officials also told Ashcroft that investigators did not believe Libby's account, according to sources knowledgeable about the briefings, and that Libby might have lied to the FBI to defend other -- more senior -- administration officials.
Ashcroft was told no later than November 2003 that investigators also doubted the accounts that Rove, President George W. Bush's chief political adviser, had given the FBI as to how he, too, learned that Plame was a CIA officer and how he came to disclose that information to columnist Robert Novak.
More HERE
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Another good piece from Waas!
Of course the investigators did not believe the liars. I bet the liars thought the investigation was not serious and they could just slide on their uber-authority with a wink and a nudge.
Nice surprise for us some investigators are serious about their job.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 05:17 PM
Confronted with disclosure demands, PR execs cry "censorship"
Be afraid, be very afraid! If television stations are required to abide by existing regulations and label the corporate and government propaganda they routinely pass off as "news," the First Amendment will be shredded, the freedom of the press repealed, and TV stations will collapse overnight!
At least, thatÕs what the public relations firms that produce and distribute video news releases (VNRs) and other forms of fake news would have you believe. PR firms are banding together and launching lobbying and PR campaigns to counter the growing call for full disclosure of VNRs, the sponsored video segments frequently aired by TV newsrooms as though they were independently-produced reports.
This alarmist campaign comes as no surprise; the PR industry is like any other business interest. And if thereÕs one thing business is good at, itÕs avoiding meaningful oversight. Take direct-to-consumer drug marketing: The industry group PhRMA adopted voluntary guidelines last year, in a so-far successful bid to preempt increased scrutiny from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
Unlike other businesses, the PR industry combines its resistance to oversight with expert, in-house talent at shaping media coverage and public opinion. That means that holding PR firms accountable is an especially tough job. When PR executives think their livelihood is being threatened, they pull out every tool in the propagandistÕs toolbox.
More HERE
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Say anything about abuse of the airwaves and they scream censorship? Talk about turning reality on its head.
Orwellian logic says we need a "Ministry of Truth" to disseminate the fake news and outright lies with the authority of the state.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 05:29 PM
They aren't there to buy a complex product like computer networks, legal representation or architectural services. They just need to know how to count money. . . and that doesn't require English.
By O Relly
This from the guy who spells Baghdad- Bagdad. Ugh!
You cornnuts just don't get it. I could make more money running a gas-n-sip, mowing lawns or just standing on a street corner holding a sign than all you cornuts put together. You think pennies where I think dollars. You spend dollars where I spend pennies. Get it?
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 05:31 PM
I'll give 10 to 1 odds LBH does NOT have a reasonable response, if he offers any response at all beside 'you effin low life librul.'
By O Reilly at 318
I already did at 280 & 301. try and keep up.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 05:36 PM
I'll give Clueless "cudos" for all his unintended humor. Sad thing is you and I are the only ones on this blog who can appreciate his gay-baiting asshattery for what it is: the ranting of a racist clown.
By Pandenial
Liberal lie #2001 by Pandenial. Sexual preference has nothing to do with racism.
Dude, you need to progress a little more.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 05:40 PM
"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have." -- Richard Salent, Former President CBS News.
Posted by: Saladin at June 10, 2006 05:40 PM
Iraqi Claims U.S. GIs Beat Wounded Man
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - An Iraqi man who was one of the first people on the scene of the U.S. airstrike targeting Abu Musab al-Zarqawi said he saw American troops beating a man who had a beard like the al-Qaida leader.
The witness, who lives near the house where al-Zarqawi spent his last days, said he saw the man lying on the ground near an irrigation canal. He was badly wounded but still alive, the man told Associated Press Television News.
U.S. troops arriving on the scene wrapped the man's head in an Arab robe and began beating him, said the local man, who refused to give his name or show his face to the camera. His account could not be independently verified.
The U.S. military made no mention of any physical contact between U.S. troops and al-Zarqawi other than an attempt to provide him with medical attention.
Zarqawi died shortly after the U.S. military obliterated his hideout northwest of Baghdad Wednesday with two 500-pound bombs. The bombs tore a huge crater in the date palm forest where the house was nestled outside the town of Baqouba.
More HERE
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If Zarqawi was the mastermind our government claims, I think it would be reasonable and prudent to have kept him alive and find out what he knew? Where the 380 tons of high explosives went, all kinds of information.
They say that we have to be able to torture because it could save lives? Why not catch Zarqawi and use these effective methods? Beating anybody at the scene just sounds dumb but emotions and adrenaline run very high.
I guess we lost the hearts and minds long ago. Hard to imagine looking any worse to the Iraqi people.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 05:41 PM
You're not stupid like most of the other liberal posters here
Posted by: factchecker at June 10, 2006 05:03 PM
Since you brought it up, who are the stupid liberal posters that post here? It should easy for you since you claim most of the other liberal posters who post here are stupid. In case you think my question is rhetorical, let me dissavow you of that misimpression. So Mr. Factchecker, who are these stupid liberal posters?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 05:43 PM
348 You spoke too soon O'Reilly.
Posted by: Saladin at June 10, 2006 05:43 PM
Ann Coulter, a case of laryngeal pinochiitis?
By RS
Don't know about that but she sure shut Hillary's trap.
Ann Coulter says what she wants without a care of what the left or right think of her. David Corn seems to be obsessed with everything the right has to say about him.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 05:44 PM
Since you brought it up, who are the stupid liberal posters that post here? It should easy for you since you claim most of the other liberal posters who post here are stupid. In case you think my question is rhetorical, let me dissavow you of that misimpression. So Mr. Factchecker, who are these stupid liberal posters?
By O Reilly
I can answer that. You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You might want to check your English again on this one, since you profess to be the queen of English here.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 05:48 PM
363
When lawn boy starts giving English lessons, and it turns out he's right, then we're in deep shit. But as stands, he's wrong again:
BAGHDAD
VARIANT FORMS: Bagdad
SYLLABICATION: Bagh.dad
PRONUNCIATION: bgdd
The capital and largest city of Iraq, in the center of the country on the Tigris River. Founded in the eighth century, it was heavily damaged by U.S. forces during the Persian Gulf War (1991). Population: 3,841,268.
(link)
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 05:55 PM
371 I didn't ask you LBH. I asked factchecker.
Are you factchecker? You both like to call people stupid when you run out of substantive responses.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 05:58 PM
369 A flurry of dim-witted activity. It'll pass.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 06:00 PM
Cornposters! It isn't fair to use duplicate posts just to get the weekend post number up! Also, need to pay attention to quality now that you-know-who is back...
Posted by: David B. Benson at June 10, 2006 06:02 PM
371 LBH/Factchecker whatever. If you're the smartest guy you know and I'm not the smartest guy I know. Does that make you smarter than me? Think about it.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 06:02 PM
A new low -- the Senate seeks to "pardon" the President for past lawbreaking. The press plays Arlen Specter as tough on Cheney, while behind the scenes he quietly does their dirty work like a good little boy-toy. 6/10
From: Buzzflash
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 06:08 PM
Even Imus was outraged that Coulter attacked the 9/11 widows.
IMUS: I agree with her point. But I think it's repugnant and repulsive and gutless to -- and cheap and cheesy to call these women all these names. I mean, it's just -- whether it's right or not, I mean, you just -- that's just something -- you know, you just don't go there.
MATALIN: Well that's her stock in trade.
IMUS: But I'm surprised that you won't condemn her for these repugnant remarks.
MATALIN: I don't know her. I haven't read the book.
IMUS: Well you don't have to know her.
Here's another example of Republicans using 9/11 for political purposes.
(link)
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 06:17 PM
How does the Department of Veterans Affairs react
June 10, 2006 -- How does the Department of Veterans Affairs react to the loss, through theft of a laptop computer, of tens of millions of veterans' and active duty records containing personal sensitive data, including Social Security Numbers and medical histories? They turn the same records over to the IRS. The editor received a letter from Veterans Secretary Jim Nicholson that warned vets of the problems of identity theft and provided information where to report problems from fraudulent data collectors engaged in "phishing." Reasonable enough. However, the letter concluded by stating the Veterans Affairs Department has shared vet names with the Internal Revenue Service. In justifying the matching of data, the letter cited no governing law but "current policy" in permitting the Internal Revenue Service to have access to Veterans Affairs records. Nicholson's letter claims that the VA does not have current addresses for all affected individuals. The letter also states, "the IRS has not disclosed your address or any other tax information to us."
What is of concern is not so much what the IRS is sharing with the VA but vice versa. The Bush administration has casually tossed in the garbage yet another Federal law on privacy: the Computer Matching and Privacy Protection Act of 1988, which was signed by President Ronald Reagan and amended in 1990. The CMPPA, as amended, specifies that:
More HERE
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There must be a way to protect those at risk? Something to make any identity theft of vets harder or impossible. I did read somewhere that records might have been erased. At this point that does not matter as much as protecting those at risk.
It seems like it is always the vets getting the short end of the stick. This in a country that spends enough to provide first treatment for the troops. Instead we get mega-lobbyists and all that comes with them.
We should do better by our vets.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 06:20 PM
Candidate For Governor Wants To Be Called 'Grandma' On Ballot
AUSTIN, Texas -- Independent candidate Carole Keeton Strayhorn is asking to be listed on the November ballot as Carole Keeton "Grandma" Strayhorn, saying that is how voters know her since her successful campaign for Texas comptroller in 1998, when she ran advertisements calling herself "One Tough Grandma."
"Everywhere we go -- speeches in Dallas or Houston, small gatherings in Tyler or Amarillo -- people will come up and refer to her as Grandma," said campaign spokesman Mark Sanders.
Strayhorn and musician and wiseacre Kinky Friedman, another independent trying to oust Republican Gov. Rick Perry, are still awaiting a decision from the Texas Secretary of State on whether they collected enough signatures to get on the ballot. If they make it onto the ballot, then the state must decide how they will be listed.
Friedman -- real first name: Richard -- has applied to appear as "Kinky Friedman." But he said Strayhorn should not be allowed to get her way.
State law allows nicknames on the ballot as long as the candidate has been commonly known by the name for at least three years -- a legal standard that "Grandma" doesn't meet, Friedman said.
"She can call herself Carole Cougar Mellencamp if she wants, but when it comes to the ballot she should have to follow the law," Friedman said. "Hell, I've been Kinky for 40 years."
More HERE
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Snotty McClueless did not fall far from the tree.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 06:32 PM
One tough grandma has been her slogan but not for 3 years.
Notice how her long last name(4 failed marriages) does not include McClellan?
Know why?
Could be that book her former husband authored claiming that GHWB was the triggerman in the JFK assassination.
unfortunately, she and Kinky both will cipher enough votes away from Bell for Perry to get re-elected in a landslide, he doesn't even need "my" help to assure of that.
Posted by: TurdBlossom at June 10, 2006 06:36 PM
Cornposters! Only 119 more to go! Can you stand the pace!
Posted by: David B. Benson at June 10, 2006 06:37 PM
Saturday Night Trivia Question
Who put the infamous 16 words in the President's State Of The Union address January 28 2003?
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.".
Wiki (link)
Yearly Kos Convention (link)
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 06:55 PM
382 DB, This is easily done. . . even with time-consuming posts like 383. While post 383 itself is not so lengthy, the two attached links are.
The first link is a quick read about the 16 words in Wikipedia.
The second link is a video of some of my favorite bloggers and reporters including Jane Hamsher, Dan Froomkin, Murray Waas, Larry Johnson and Christy Smith. Joe Wilson speaks also. (Let me point out, I choose to blog here at David Corn's webblog becuase David is one of my favs too. I wish only that he was at Yearly Kos too.)
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 07:11 PM
Don't Let the Car Fool You
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 07:15 PM
YearlyKos, in snapshots (link)
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 07:18 PM
Soulless Soldiers
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 07:24 PM
Twenty-Point Lead for Hillary Among Democrats
New York senator Hillary Rodham Clinton remains the frontrunner for the Democratic PartyÕs 2008 presidential nomination, according to a poll by Gallup released by USA Today. 36 per cent of respondents would vote for Rodham Clinton in a primary election.
Former United States vice-president Al Gore is second with 16 per cent, followed by former North Carolina senator John Edwards with 12 per cent, and Massachusetts senator John KerryÑthe 2004 presidential nomineeÑwith 11 per cent. Support is lower for retired general Wesley Clark, Delaware senator Joe Biden, Wisconsin senator Russ Feingold, and former Virginia governor Mark Warner.
Rodham Clinton was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2000, defeating Republican Rick Lazio by 12 percentage points. She ruled out a presidential bid in 2004.
More HERE
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I wonder if the pollsters included the "rubber chicken" question?
"If the Democrats ran a rubber chicken would you vote for it?"
capt
Posted by: capt at June 10, 2006 07:30 PM
Olbermann on (video) Coulter apologists
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 07:48 PM
Evil and Stupid People
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 07:49 PM
Bill Moyers' Baccalaureate Address
Hamilton College, Clinton, NY (link)
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 07:51 PM
Time To Repent
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 07:59 PM
Bush is truly an idiot
Posted by: Gerald at June 10, 2006 08:06 PM
Have you scene this video?
Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism.
Documentary on reported Conservative bias of the Rupert Murdoch-owned Fox News Channel (FNC), which promotes itself as "Fair and Balanced". Material includes interviews with former FNC employees and the inter-office memos they provided. (link)
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 08:21 PM
Some people say. . .Listen for this phrase on Fox news and opinion programs. The FNC reporter will then introduce a right-wing talking point.
Roger Ailes who runs the network was media campaign dirctor Reagan and Bush. Fox anchors receive a daily talking-points memo for how to cover hot button news issues. Murdoch, testifying to Congress about news coverage, when asked what liberal commentators worked on Fox could name only two names; Alan Colmes and Greta Van Sustren. Watch the video.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 08:33 PM
DB 382, I hate the pace, I have to turn off the accelerator to even get in, and it is as slow as molasses. You might like it, but those of us stuck with dial-up have a different perspective,
Posted by: Saladin at June 10, 2006 08:39 PM
BTW, keep up the dialogue with the trolls. Eating up bandwidth addressing their idiotic tripe is much appreciated by us primitive dial-up slaves.
Posted by: Saladin at June 10, 2006 08:42 PM
Now, if we are going to eat up bandwidth, here's something that matters. At last, someone with the courage to stand up and tell the truth.
TBR News
Brigadier General Says Israel is the problem not Iraq
by James J. David, Brigadier General, USA ret. - Jan 7, 2003
(James J. David is a retired Brigadier General and a graduate of the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College, and the National Security Course, National Defense University, Washington, DC. He served as a Company Commander with the 101st Airborne Division in the Republic of Vietnam in 1969 and 1970 and also served nearly 3 years of Army active duty in and around the Middle East from 1967-1969.)
Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel.
Question: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?
Answer: Israel.
Question: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?
Answer: Israel.
Question: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?
Answer: Israel.
Question: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?
Answer: Israel.
Question: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
Answer: Israel.
Question Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
Answer: Israel.
Question: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses?
Answer: Israel.
Question: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?
Answer: Israel.
Question: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?
Answer: Israel.
Question: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?
Answer: Israel.
Question: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 and wounding 171 American sailors?
Answer: Israel.
Question: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union?
Answer: Israel.
Question: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?
Answer: Israel.
Question. What Middle East country allows American Jewish murderers to flee to its country to escape punishment in the United States and refuses to extradite them once in their custody?
Answer: Israel
Question. What Middle East country preaches against hate yet builds a shrine and a memorial for a murderer who killed 29 Palestinians while they prayed in their Mosque.
Answer: Israel
Question: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders?
Answer: Israel.
Question. Which country in the Middle East deliberately targeted a U.N. Refugee Camp in Qana, Lebanon and killed 103 innocent men, women, and especially children?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?
Answer: Israel.
Question: Which country in the Middle East receives more than one-third of all U.S. aid yet is the 16th richest country in the world?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East receives U.S. weapons for free and then sells the technology to the Republic of China even at the objections of the U.S.?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East routinely insults the American people by having its Prime Minister address the United States Congress and lecturing them like children on why they have no right to reduce foreign aid?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East had its Prime Minister announce to his staff not to worry about what the United States says because "We control America?"
Answer: Israel
Question: What country in the Middle East was cited by Amnesty International for demolishing more than 4000 innocent Palestinian homes as a means of ethnic cleansing.
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East has just recently used a weapon of mass destruction, a one-ton smart bomb, dropping it in the center of a highly populated area killing 15 civilians including 9 children?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East routinely kills young Palestinian children for no reason other than throwing stones at armored vehicles, bulldozers, or tanks?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East signed the Oslo Accords promising to halt any new Jewish Settlement construction, but instead, has built more than 270 new settlements since the signing?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East has assassinated more than 100 political officials of its opponent in the last 2 years while killing hundreds of civilians in the process, including dozens of children?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East regularly violates the Geneva Convention by imposing collective punishment on entire towns, villages, and camps, for the acts of a few, and even goes as far as demolishing entire villages while people are still in their homes?
Answer: Israel
Question: What country in the Middle East is the United States threatening to attack because of fear that it may be a threat to us and to our allies?
Answer: Iraq
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Israel, the Parasite of the middle east, and #1 in double standards.
Posted by: Saladin at June 10, 2006 08:47 PM
Watch Fox. You will hear intensive discussion of what we call the wedge issues;
Same sex couples
- Gay marriage
Religion and ten commandments
- why is Jesus so popular right now?
- Jesus F.A.Q.
- freedom is the almighty's gift to everyone in this world.
- they are going to push a lot of God going in the election
Fear
- there is NO WAY we would have gone to war with IRAQ,a country that did not attack us, if it were not for the FEAR out governement manipulated its own citizens with.
These techniques are used to divide America; ignore the important issues such as sound fiscal policies, healthcare, and social security.
Watch how my namesake Bill O'Reilly trashes Jeremy Glick who lost his father in the WTC attack.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 08:59 PM
Full moon .
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 09:00 PM
Well, I've been dinking around with my computer today. I'd like to blame the problem on LBH but I think microsoft gets it this time.
Anyway, I read the story on RAWSTORY about the Brown email. You gotta love Bush. What a freaking SOB. Thousands of people die in a hurricane. An entire population ends up displaced from a city and he's trying to figure out how to take the heat of himself. And then is happy when his friend gets to take the heat. I guess that's what these cronies have been put in place to do. Bush wonders why his poll numbers are so low. He should take some of the money he's made with Uncle dick in Iraq and purchase a clue. The president is supposed to act like he's responsible.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 10, 2006 09:08 PM
I don't know if the story about the three detainees committing suicide has been posted.
3 Guantanamo detainees hang themselves
..."They are smart. They are creative, they are committed. They have no regard for life, either ours or their own. I believe this was not an act of desperation, but an act of ...warfare waged against us," Rear Adm. Harry Harris, commander of the Joint Task Force Guantanamo, said in a telephone news conference.
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Act of warfare against the Americans? I think it was desperation. I think it was a feeling of hopelessness. Will it have an result? Probably.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 10, 2006 09:15 PM
Saladin
Your complaining about bandwidth after the ten-mile post?
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 09:47 PM
They've got a good Marvin Gaye on Crooks and Liars. Lovely. Lovely.
BTW, look at the street scenes as the tape rolls. Not much as changed in American since the 60's and 70's. Lots of poverty. Lots of urban decay. Lots of poverty in the country too. What's going on? What's going on?
Posted by: Jeanne at June 10, 2006 09:49 PM
371 LBH/Factchecker whatever. If you're the smartest guy you know and I'm not the smartest guy I know. Does that make you smarter than me? Think about it.
By O Reilly
I've thought about it at your request and yes it does make me more smarter & charming than you. Think about it some more.
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 09:50 PM
398
Now,[B] if we are going to eat up bandwidth,[/B] here's something that matters. At last, someone with the courage to stand up and tell the truth.
Posted by: Saladin at June 10, 2006 08:47 PM
______________________________________
403
Saladin
Your complaining about bandwidth after the ten-mile post?
Posted by: LBH at June 10, 2006 09:47 PM
_________________________________________
Somebody is jealous of Clueless' moniker and is trying to take their place with their inability to read.
At least they are contributing towards the goal of reaching 500 posts, working with liberals feels better than bitching at them don't it?
Posted by: Turdblossom at June 10, 2006 10:07 PM
#106
And I'm sure that station in Ohio was glad to take the money to run the Swift Boat ads that were filled with a pack of lies...
Posted by: flan at June 10, 2006 10:10 PM
Hey flan.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 10:19 PM
Hey TB.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 10:20 PM
405 what would factchecker say? The very same thing or maybe
"your (sic) a stupod (sic) frickin (sic) lowlife (sic) librul (sic)!!!!!!!!!!"
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 10:23 PM
Nine x ! How's that for convincing?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 10:25 PM
412
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 10:26 PM
412 true.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 10:27 PM
We're going to hit 500 before Brazil plays their first match in World Cup 2006.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 10:28 PM
How did the French and Germans get it right while the Brits and the USA get it so wrong? Wierd, especially when the CIA got the Niger Uranium story right (they said it didn't happen) and the CIA got the Saddam/Bin Laden connection right(they said it didn't happen.)
So let's reframe that: How did the French and Germans get it right while the Brits and the Bush Admin get it so wrong?
It's a rhetorical question but if you feel the need to answer it, please do.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 10:34 PM
Let's forget politics and talk about girls. Guys of all political pursuasions can dig that conversation. Or Music is always good. Movies?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 10:37 PM
I've done my part for a while. BBL
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 10:38 PM
#397--Sal, I don't just ignore the Bushbots, I escape them altogether at driftglass.blogspot.com! It's so nice not to be disrupted by the simian shrieks of Stupid White Men, howling as their gripping hands on the brown peoples of the world are being amputated.--KC
Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 10, 2006 10:40 PM
#418
Hey Kid,
driftglass.blogspot.com is kinda interesting. I like the picture too.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 10, 2006 10:53 PM
Okay, how about movies. Robert Schwartz mentioned another Jesuit today, Fr. Berrigan; here's another who has had a positive impact.
ON THE WATERFRONT - This movie was inspired by the work of a Jesuit priest, Fr. John Corridan
The movie owes much to Fr. John Corridan, SJ, who fought for the rights of New York's dockworkers struggling under unfair working conditions.
Posted by: caroline at June 10, 2006 10:54 PM
I didn't know that C. I'll give it a second look.
Fr Corridan was a Regis High School grad. Can you name another one?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 11:05 PM
hint
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 11:08 PM
PT Anderson or Wes Anderson ?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 11:14 PM
Boogie Nights and Magnolia or
Rushmore and The Royal Tenenbaums and
The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 11:17 PM
In addition to my nieces' friends who I am familiar with who have graduated from Regis, maybe you are thinking of Patrick Fitzgerald?
But also:
Notable alumni include:
* Edward Conlon, police officer and bestselling author
* Bill Condon, director and Oscar-winning screenwriter
* John Donvan, ABC News Nightline correspondent
* Anthony Fauci, noted AIDS researcher
* Patrick Fitzgerald, U.S. Attorney and CIA Leak Investigation Special Prosecutor
* Greg Giraldo, comedian and television personality
* Pete Hamill, writer and columnist (attended until age 16)
* Rev. Timothy Healy, S.J., former president of Georgetown University and the New York Public Library
* Mark Mazzetti, New York Times columnist
* Rev. Joseph A. O'Hare, S.J., former president of Fordham University and chairman of New York City's Charter Revision Commission and Campaign Finance Board
* Gene Orza, Chief Operating Officer of the Major League Baseball Players' Association
Posted by: caroline at June 10, 2006 11:18 PM
... just read your broaaaaaaaaaaaaad hint.
(revving up the # of posts here)
Posted by: caroline at June 10, 2006 11:19 PM
A formidable group to be sure.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 11:22 PM
Fitz doesn't quit until he wins. He's driven by principle. Woodward may have say the right thing for the wrong reason "this guys like a junkyard dog" Plus Fitz loves his job. He's a formidable opponent. I'm glad he's representing our interests. How about you?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 11:27 PM
I'm trying to think of other NYC films. Only the Godfather and Goodfellas comes to mind. You got any other favorites?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 11:29 PM
Taxi Driver, Out of Towners, The Odd Couple, When Harry Met Sally.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 10, 2006 11:34 PM
You talkin to me?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 11:39 PM
Mean Streets. Planet of the Apes.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 11:40 PM
Fritz could be your next medical admistrator if you are unluckey
Posted by: Damn_Em at June 10, 2006 11:45 PM
I think Patrick Fitzgerald is the real deal. Most Jesuit educated souls are committed to the Jesuit ideal of seeking social and economic justice, which indirectly is what this leak investigation is about.
Fitzgerald is a shining example in the Jebbie tradition that rebellion can coexist with discipline.
Posted by: caroline at June 10, 2006 11:51 PM
434 Me too.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 10, 2006 11:56 PM
Titles with locations including New York City, New York, USA
Here are the 7149 matching titles:
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 12:01 AM
Do you know Pageant Book Shop? The shop appeared in numerous movies filmed in NYC including Neil Simon'�s "Chapter Two" (James Caan and Marsha Mason). The shop also made it into Woody Allen's "Hannah and Her Sisters" when Michael Caine and Barbara Hershey were browsing for a copy of e.e. cumming's poems.
Posted by: caroline at June 11, 2006 12:04 AM
capt, if you listed each individual movie, on separate posts, you could easily surpass the weekend 500 challenge that Dr. Benson set for cornposters.
Posted by: caroline at June 11, 2006 12:07 AM
A few of us at the office were talking today about an interesting dilemna.
When does a legitimate religion (Islam) become a subervise group whose intention is the overthrow of the government? At what point, if at all, does it have to be outlawed?
And, if we are going to outlaw another religion, how about mine? Yours?
Posted by: factchecker at June 11, 2006 12:10 AM
436 The King of Internet Research. . . if it doesn't stick just get good at finding it.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 12:11 AM
437 Didn't know that. Is it on E 4th or Canal or. . . you tell me.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 12:16 AM
When does a legitimate religion (Islam) become a subervise group whose intention is the overthrow of the government? At what point, if at all, does it have to be outlawed?
it becomes a subversive group when false-flag terror attacks are attributed to it. and the attributing powers-that-be will decide the point if any that it is to be outlawed.
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 12:23 AM
439 I thought the RNC and Fox already outlawed agnosticism in the last election cycle. I'm just joking FC I agree with your post.
It's a conundrum: we need an enemy to perpetuate the military-industrial complex and the simpleminded way we're portraying the conflict puts our civil rights in the line of fire.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 12:23 AM
It is the purpose of this article to document the terrible health ramifications of our everincreasing exposure to commercial and police state radiation. Medical and empirical evidence indicates that we are becoming energetically weak, intellectually impaired and chronically ill from insidious RF waves we can neither see, touch, smell nor taste. Clueless Americans who allow themselves to be implanted with identification and tracking chips will suffer most grievously. Millions, already physically and emotionally addicted to microwave-spewing cell phones, laptops, personal data gadgets and entertainment devices which they cuddle to their brains and bodies, will have little moral or philosophical aversion to being chipped. But for the more discriminating, we are reviewing here crucial research data, which, if taken seriously, may save lives and stiffen resolve to reject the fascist subdermal tracking system-no matter what the cost.
THE HEALTH IMPLICATIONS OF BIG BROTHER'S....
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 12:27 AM
Titles with locations including
Greenwich Village, Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA
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The list includes those mentioned but is generally referred to as Greenwich Village and does not specify where in the Village.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 12:29 AM
Whaddya mean, "you tell me?" The Pageant Print Shop is/was (last I knew) @ 69 E. 4th between The Bowery & 2nd Avenue. They sell books online now.
Posted by: caroline at June 11, 2006 12:31 AM
I was guessing E 4th so I needed you to tell me.
I'm hungry for a Katz's Deli Sandwich on dark rye with sharp mustard, a pickle and an egg cream soda.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 12:38 AM
4th Avenue, because of gentrification, became too pricey for many businesses.
Ah, progress.
Posted by: caroline at June 11, 2006 12:40 AM
I really am hungry but 3 hours is to far plus Katz's isn't open this late. There are probably atleast a few places to go still open on Mulberry St or maybe go a few more blocks to Canal. Wo Hop is open late - not that its late, just that it'd be late if I left now.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 12:42 AM
You can have Jeff's Egg Cream Soda DELIVERED! (If you live in the right market.)
But it sucks.
Posted by: caroline at June 11, 2006 12:46 AM
ha!
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 12:47 AM
O'Reilly, order a pizza.
I'm going out for Chinese. Chow.
Ciao!
Posted by: caroline at June 11, 2006 12:50 AM
Good idea but I'm making risotta - parmesan, tomato and basil.
Enjoy the Zahhh! Nice chatting C.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 12:56 AM
You cornnuts just don't get it. I could make more money running a gas-n-sip, mowing lawns or just standing on a street corner holding a sign than all you cornuts put together. You think pennies where I think dollars. You spend dollars where I spend pennies. Get it?
That was from LBH @ #363 Lmao I got you pegged Mr. LBH. "if it don't make dollars, it don't make sense/cents"
I knew you guys that got caught at it. (This was when I was young'n dumb) We called ya "maytag", cause you were washing our boxers and socks.
Hear me LBH? That was a major put-down. Don't get caught my friend, cause you'd be somebody's punk.
========
lol See what a pay-per-view, a few beerz, and good convos with friends, will do to you? Read an 'LBH' and ya just wanna slap 'im around a lil bit. hahaha
*slinkin' back into that peace/love/dove/hippie/long hair/ frame-of-mind*
Hopkins steps up and beats the bigger Tarver. If I was a bettin' man, I'da lost money.
Posted by: Alan at June 11, 2006 01:06 AM
David,
Since Corn posters seem bent on posting drivels to get over 500 posts, I'll contribute something, but a bit meatier!
On the Cordesman-critiqued quarterly report by the Defense Dept., you very stridently declare that: "...the truth of the matter is that it is simply incompetent. It shows a lack of concern for detail, for the facts, [for] addressing the issues that really need to be addressed...People really need to know the facts,...the risks, and ...level of commitment..needed. It simply is a failure in basic analytic integrity."
A compassionate Conservative, I believe there are more competent than incompetent people and that most people try to do their jobs the honest and right way. That said, the situation in Iraq is, IMHO, not prone to any type of analysis where Probability Tables can be developed and from which we can base logical decisions on. Iraq's religious, ethnic, geopolitics (Iran, Syria), etc...render any analysis to no better than wild guesses.
You can put a couple of dozen geniuses on analyzing Iraq and I'm not sure their reports would reflect the future any better. In fact, no matter what kind of a report, there will be plenty of people that can plausibly critique it!
Think about this: just among your posters here, we can't even agree on what the US economy is doing! Iraq? LOL!
We need to accept the really real fact that sometimes, all facts simply can't be known; especially in a fluid situation as in Iraq. Know this, whatever conclusions the report you cited are already out-of-date! Why? Zarqawi is dead! What are the implications? What are the `facts' now?
Ever heard of `Analysis Paralysis'? As a fresh MBA years ago, I did lots of that with the Lotus 123 spreadsheets! Why, because "wow, with a computer spreadsheet, we can play What-If till kingdom come!"
There is a lot to be said for going with your gut instinct based on what your senses tell you! Analyzing Iraq and making high-probability predictions are basically impossible today!
Posted by: Happy contributes to 500 at June 11, 2006 01:06 AM
Fascinating 2-hour repeat special on the History Channel tonight on what was known as "The Little Ice Age". It lasted all over the globe from the beginning of the 14th century to the middle of the 19th century.
In the 1600's in New York, in the winter one could walk on solid ice between Manhattan Island and Staten Island. In the 1700's in Massachusetts one year, many thousand deaths attributed to two feet of snow - in June and July!! Frigid temperatures directly attributed to cause of many events/occurrences in history.
Most fascinating fact was that it was preceded by approximately three hundred years of above-average temperatures - higher than they are now.
Basic - and scary - theory was that the global warming before the Little Ice Age actually caused the drop in temperatures by thawing the glaciers, allowing fresh water to run into the oceans, and changing the jetstreams.
Big fear is that current global warming - man-made or not - might cause similar eventual chilling effect.
Posted by: factchecker at June 11, 2006 01:13 AM
*from #381...
unfortunately, she and Kinky both will cipher enough votes away from Bell for Perry to get re-elected in a landslide, he doesn't even need "my" help to assure of that.
dammit TB, I think you're correct, but it still pisses me off Kinky rocks (hella song writer/performer, and good ol' Texan), but... if he'da stayed out of it this time, Bell had a chance to turn Texas around.
Posted by: Alan at June 11, 2006 01:28 AM
women's lingerie found in zarkowie house!
HIBHIB, Iraq (June 10) - Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was accompanied by women who wore skimpy night clothing, and read magazines on current affairs and militant propaganda, an inspection of the house he was killed in showed on Saturday.
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at least he wasn't trying to gay marriage somebody
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 01:44 AM
*O'Reilly's #391
I'm still readin' it, but... hell yeah, Bill Moyers is awesome. Thanks for the link duuuude!
Posted by: Alan at June 11, 2006 01:50 AM
Single Question Quiz for All Americans
Question: Who is responsible for the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 ?
A) Saddam Hussein
B) Usama Bin Laden
C) The Project for the New American Century
D) None of the above
WAIT! Before selecting your answer, please read the following DOCUMENTED quotes:
1. "WeÕve had NO EVIDENCE that Saddam Hussein was
involved with the September the 11th"
President George W. Bush 9/17/03
2. "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin LadenÕs Most Wanted Page is because the FBI has NO HARD EVIDENCE connecting Bin Laden to 9/11″
Rex Tomb (Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI) 6/5/06
3. "The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a NEW PEARL HARBOR"
The Project for a New American Century (page 51 of their document Rebuilding AmericaÕs Defenses) September 2000
Now you may answer: ____
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 02:02 AM
I picked...
2. "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin LadenÕs Most Wanted Page is because the FBI has NO HARD EVIDENCE connecting Bin Laden to 9/11″
Rex Tomb (Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI) 6/5/06
When you say "evidence", that's like a papertrail? lol Maybe their printer was out of ink. Or that extension cord wasn't long enough.
Posted by: Alan at June 11, 2006 03:00 AM
you're probably supposed to pick from among the multiple choices A thru D rather than the 3 documented quote hints. anyway,
i like your pants
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 03:08 AM
you're probably supposed to pick from among the multiple choices A thru D
Ok, mine would be B. But uhm... I'd like some of what "pants" guy is schmokin'! hehe
Posted by: Alan at June 11, 2006 03:16 AM
America is marching into fascism
Posted by: Gerald at June 11, 2006 03:58 AM
U.S. is hindering the war on terrorism
Posted by: Gerald at June 11, 2006 04:04 AM
9/11 cops saw collapse coming
The World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground, scientists probing the Sept. 11, 2001, disaster said yesterday.
In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m.
Posted by: Alan at June 11, 2006 04:15 AM
are we THERE, yet?
Posted by: Hajji at June 11, 2006 07:22 AM
Are you familiar with red giant stars? Very big and very bright, yet they are aging and dying? I think that's a good metaphor for the global plutocracy which uses our government as its imperial instrument. I feel sorry for the members of our armed forces, who are mostly fine men and women who honestly believe they are protecting us. I despise our evil regime that uses them as instruments of its filthy Empire. I want my Republic back.
The Empire is as doomed as Krypton, anyway. This wretched war is Vietnam in a sandbox. Our enemies, like the North Vietnamese and VC before them, will keep losing battle after battle, but they will never quit, so they will prevail, because eventually enough Americans will recognize that this war is NOT vital to our safety or liberty, and demand that our troops be brought home. It's not just in the Middle East, either. Rebellion against Rich White Male supremacism is flowering around the world, witness Bolivia and Venezuela. Our overstretched armed forces will not be able to suppress them all, nor should our brothers and sisters in the armed forces be used for such ignoble purposes, nor can our deficit-ridden country afford the huge ground army it would take to have even a wild hope of doing that. The gripping hand of Rich White Male power on the brown peoples of the world is being slowly, but surely, amputated.
The Bushbots who show up on this blog to spew their venom simply represent the simian shrieking one would expect from the subjects of unanesthetized amputation. They are probably not rich themselves, yet their pwecious widdle egos identify with the Rich White Males, despite the fact that said RWMs exploit THEM, too. I am pale and male myself, and I don't come from a leftist family, so I don't know how I escaped being brainwashed into the white-supremacist, male-supremacist, and (above all) wealth-supremacist idoelogies that the McMedia excretes 24/7. Just lucky, I guess.
Venceremos, Kid Charlemagne
Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 11, 2006 08:09 AM
"IDEOLOGIES", dangit! I must be going now.--KC
Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 11, 2006 08:20 AM
"You can put a couple of dozen geniuses on analyzing Iraq and I'm not sure their reports would reflect the future any better. In fact, no matter what kind of a report, there will be plenty of people that can plausibly critique it!"
Posted by: Hapless at June 11, 2006 01:06 AM
Well, um, sometimes the predictions are spot-on:
"The notion that we ought to now go to Baghdad and somehow take control of the country strikes me as an extremely serious one in terms of what we’d have to do once we got there. You’d probably have to put some new government in place. It’s not clear what kind of government that would be, how long you’d have to stay. For the U.S. to get involved militarily in determining the outcome of the struggle over who’s going to govern in Iraq strikes me as a classic definition of a quagmire."
--Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney speaking on NPR in 1991
Factless,
#456, see the science at Realclimate.org. It's real science by real climatologists. They have the lowdown on all the latest talking points from the climate change agnostics.
#439, in a country that prides itself in religious freedom, it is odd to want to clamp down on another religion. But if adherents from a lethal offshoot of any religion begin to threaten the lives of men and women worldwide, it's time for the world (not just the US) to clamp down on them. Much like we've made laws to stamp out anti-semitism, we may need a movement to stamp out militant Salafism.
#359, here are the results from 2004 (careful it's one of those pdf bastards) and the most recent results. There is a slight variation in the percentage of votes garnered. An interesting anomoly (?) is to be found in counting up all the votes from the primary. Remember two votes were done, one to replace the criminal for the next 5 months, and the other for the rematch in November. If you count up all the GOP votes in the primary, you get the 69K or so votes that Bilbray got against Busby. If you look at the Dem vote in the primary, that number is way lower (14K?) than the number of people who voted for Busby. Where did all those extra votes come from?
If he got all the Red votes and she got all the Blue votes, were those extras Indie votes? That would explain why Busby was the first Democrat not to lose by 50K votes or more since the district was gerrymandered safely-red in 2000.
#88, I'll cheer any success for the lower and middle classes. I'm just holding my applause till that success rolls in. I'll not cheer for the rich folks in America. I'll leave that to you GoOPers.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 11, 2006 08:51 AM
Oops. Forgot the link for Realclimate.org. Not a cheap attempt to boost the number of posts. Sidewise smiley face.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 11, 2006 08:53 AM
I may become an agnostic but I'm undecided.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 10:26 AM
Serbia &
Montenegro 0 - 1 Netherlands @74 mins.
Mexico v Iran Noon ET
Angola v Portugal 3 ET
Knowledgable comments are encouraged. Share your soccer savvy.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 10:34 AM
Halftime. Pais Bas is rocking Serbia-Montenegro. I have long been a fan of the Oranje and their Ajax team. I sure do miss Seedorf and Edgar Davids. They were tough, hard-working kids. Will be cheering the motherland in a couple of hours. I must admit I was screaming for the Soca Warriers yesterday in their game with Sweden. I thought one of their best players was unfairly ejected right after the half. Trinidad and Tobago is the smallest country in the tournament. I hope they do well.
Clueless, #64
1. Cunningham was a convicted criminal
2. Busby tried to tie the venal criminality to Bilbo.
3. is a lie. Here's her real position on the issues.
4. Your cut and paste didn't quite work out the way you wanted or you left out something you didn't want us to see.
#92 & #285 & #290, undocumented workers can't register to vote in California. You are either too stupid to know this or you're lying. She was asking for help on her campaign and was explaining that you don't need to be registered to do that. Even the Conservatives at Wizbang said so; they thought she should be defeated on the merits of her position on the issues -- not on lies concocted to slime her. But since the GoOPers in San Diego need a GOP criminal or lies to get out the vote, they went with the lies. You can't seem to go more than five minutes without telling a lie. Why is that?
#104, Check out this skit with the Lying Mann, Satan, and Russert. She and Satan get along quite nicely.
#289, I wasn't trying to be funny. You need a friend. That dog-lover seemed to be a perfect match for you.
#295, that post encapsulates what is wrong with all you Bushbots on this blog. You come here spouting your lies and talking points. We shoot them down with facts (pay attention, Factless) and you call us liars without ever being able to back it up. You want soooo desperately to be right about something -- anything -- that you make shit up and pretend it's true. You still haven't proven me wrong even once.
Here's her vote. Here's the text of the Dem. Amendment to fight the profiteers from the Library of Congress. Here's her contributors from 2000, from 2002, and from 2004. This constant having to document your nonstop lies is getting old.
It's not that I'm a lawyer or an Economist. I'm just not stupid enough to believe the lies put out by the Grand Ol' Spending Party. Do you have any idea how stupid and dishonest it makes you look when you copy and paste their talking points here? Eh, what am I saying .... he's Clueless.
@#298 you note that a lot of GoOPers have been put in jail or have been indicted and forced out (though you left out Claude Allen, Libby and a host of others who have been brought down for other alleged crimes). I originally asked you if you were OK with bribery. You suggested that I was OK with it.
I was the first person to link the bribery of Jefferson here and said he should be "taken down" (my exact words). You have yet to suggest the same thing about Ney, Pombo, Burns, Boehner, Frist, Lott, Harris, Lewis or any of the dozens of Conservatives accused of taking money in exchange for legislative favors (or other crimes). You have never brought a single bit of misbehavior by the GOP to light (intentionally). Ever. Unlike you, I call out the Dems when they stray accross the line. Like I said, if you approve of the criminal class in the conservative movement, just say so.
#365, I never said it did. Reading Skillz dude. You need to read more carefully. I said you were a clownish, gay-baiting, asshat racist. I never mentioned anyone's sexual preference. That's your pathetic gig. Lying and calling people gay is all that you have left. At least when I call you a moron, I have the links and facts to back it up. You have nothing. Que lastima.
#300, That poll isn't really a poll. It's an index or collection of polling information. To see what the polls are doing, look at the bottom of that story that you copied and pasted:
"A Harris Poll released Friday showed Bush with a 33% approval rating in June, up from a record low of 29% in May. The polling was done prior to Zarqawi's death."
"Rasmussen Reports' tracking poll hasn't picked up a bounce yet. Friday's results, reflecting Tuesday-Thursday polling, found 40% of Americans approve of Bush's performance, little changed from the prior two days."
That dead cat bounce is not due to the death of Zarqawi. As the Rasmussen folks put it, it's just statistical noise. Here are their numbers. Mr. Bush's poll numbers actually went down yesterday. Like I said, that's just statistical noise not an indication of how folks feel about the fact that we killed Zarqawi.
The Koolaid is yummy and everyone on the right seems to have a problem resisting the stupidjuice. Weldon thinks that we might still find Saddam's imaginary WMD. Maxi-pendejo.
Halftime's over, gotta go.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 11, 2006 10:36 AM
Back on topic....
The military's propaganda program largely has been aimed at Iraqis, but seems to have spilled over into the U.S. media. One briefing slide about U.S. "strategic communications" in Iraq, prepared for Army Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the top U.S. commander in Iraq, describes the "home audience" as one of six major targets of the American side of the war.
From an April 10, 2006 WaPo article
Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi
Jordanian Painted As Foreign Threat To Iraq's Stability
Posted by: caroline at June 11, 2006 10:37 AM
Uncle Bill (video) gets smoked on late night. Is the right number 60%? I think it's more like 80?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 10:45 AM
600 by Monday morning?
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 11:06 AM
LBH wrote:
No Don, being self employed allows me to choose who I want to do business with and because I'm good at what I do I don't have to pander to illegal immigrants, that can't speak English, like the Democratic party.
I don't get it. I thought official wingnut-thought claimed that illegal immigrants were poor, filthy deadbeats draining our society, so how is it that they can afford whatever it is that you offer? (Is your product that cheap? Are you peddling your ass? Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course! LOL!) Regardless, a lack of English doesn't necessarily indicate that one is an illegal immigrant, so that still makes you stupid for turning away business.
You're a fool and, most likely, a liar as well.
Posted by: Don at June 11, 2006 11:42 AM
A duper Cornut writes:
"The gripping hand of Rich White Male power on the brown peoples of the world is being slowly, but surely, amputated.
Somewhat correct but incomplete! Need to be `fair and balanced' by adding:
With global ambitions aided by enormous growth in wealth, the strengthening hands of Rich Brown/Yellow Males (Saudi Arabia, Quatar, UAE, Kuwait, China, India, Mexico) are increasingly gripping the white people of the world.
Posted by: Happy before Hosting Big Brunch at June 11, 2006 12:25 PM
Mr. Corn,
This Zarqawi deserved to die, period. I saw the video where he killed Berg (by accident). It was so vile, along with all of the other murders he committed.
Posted by: Mark at June 11, 2006 12:42 PM
460 saddam is not an innocent man, evidence or not. He is evil, just as Osama is evil. Both threatened our country and admitted that they hated our country. Would you invite them into YOUR home? Would you allow them to come into YOUR country? I know I wouldn't.
Posted by: A. at June 11, 2006 12:48 PM
snappity snap! aol headline:
HE DIDN'T DIE RIGHT AWAY!
zarkowie alive after bombs hit!
"he mumbled something to police"
I think AOL stole this from the Enquirer. lol
This was from a previous thread, but it's still on topic.
Posted by: A. at June 11, 2006 12:59 PM
MEXICO!
GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 01:00 PM
A duper Cornut writes: ?
is that particular cornut duping us then? i think not.
the strengthening hands of Rich Brown/Yellow Males (Saudi Arabia, Quatar, UAE, Kuwait, China, India, Mexico) are increasingly gripping the white people of the world.
who is responsible for the strengthening? one has only to look at photos of bush holding hands with his saudi prince, or read of the extent to which bush41 has been allied to kuwait, or discover the extent to which america is indebted to china, or research the guest worker program or the outsourcing of jobs to india in order to see where the responsibility for such strengthening lies.
which cornut is the real duper?
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 01:11 PM
Propaganda found in Zarqawi's lair
ABU MUSAB al-ZARQAWI was accompanied by women who wore skimpy night clothing, and read magazines on current affairs and militant propaganda.
An inspection of the remains of the "safe house" in which the terrorist mastermind was killed also suggested that he and his companions Ñ which an Iraqi army officer said included two women and an eight-year-old girl Ñ lived with few luxuries.
The US military took reporters to the site in the village of Hibhib, near the town of Baquba north of Baghdad, three days after the death of the al-Qaeda leader in Iraq, who is blamed for beheading hostages and killings hundreds of people in suicide bombings.
More HERE
*****end of clip*****
I was a bit surprised that the military said Zarqawi was identified by tattoos? Not very Islamic. There was a time when Zarqawi was nicknamed "the green man" because of his tattoos.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 01:13 PM
Would you allow them to come into YOUR country? I know I wouldn't.
no one on this blog has ever suggested that saddam/osama/zarkowie are not total bad guys. if any terrorists have or will have made their way into the u.s. it would most likely be with the full knowledge of u.s. agencies.
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 01:19 PM
saladin, its just this once. But I must say that the quality is really quite high!
Posted by: David B. Benson at June 11, 2006 01:23 PM
Were there not also some questions about the jewelry and dress of the participants in the Berg beheading video...I seem to recall...
But workin' and lurkin' I haven't the time.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at June 11, 2006 01:26 PM
Hajji,
Yes, clearly a gold ring on the hand of one of the hooded murderers in the Nick Berg video.
Again - not very islamic.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 01:33 PM
U.S. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, the military spokesman, also said that al-Zarqawi was alive when Iraqi police arrived at the strike scene and that U.S. forces also saw him alive.
"He mumbled something, but it was indistinguishable and it was very short," U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said at a news conference.
"We did in fact see him alive," Caldwell said. "There was some sort of movement he had on the stretcher, and he did die a short time later."
In an interview earlier Friday with Fox News Channel, Caldwell was more descriptive of Zarqawi's actions before he died.
"He was conscious initially, according to the U.S. forces that physically saw him," Caldwell told Fox. "He obviously had some kind of visual recognition of who they were because he attempted to roll off the stretcher, as I am told, and get away, realizing it was U.S. military."
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 01:50 PM
so....aol must've stolen that from FOX who must've stolen that from the enquirer. lol.
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 01:54 PM
MEXICO SCORES!
GGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 02:08 PM
"...I'm NOT dead Yet!"
-Zarq
CART MASTER:
Ninepence.
ZARQ:
I'm not dead!
CART MASTER:
What?
CUSTOMER:
Nothing. Here's your ninepence.
ZARQ:
I'm not dead!
CART MASTER:
'Ere. He says he's not dead!
CUSTOMER:
Yes, he is.
ZARQ::
I'm not!
CART MASTER:
He isn't?
CUSTOMER:
Well, he will be soon. He's very ill.
DEAD PERSON:
ZARQ:
CUSTOMER:
No, you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.
CART MASTER:
Oh, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
ZARQ:
I don't want to go on the cart!
CUSTOMER:
Oh, don't be such a baby.
CART MASTER:
I can't take him.
ZARQ:
I feel fine!
CUSTOMER:
Well, do us a favour.
CART MASTER:
I can't.
CUSTOMER:
Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He won't be long.
CART MASTER:
No, I've got to go to the Robinsons'. They've lost nine today.
CUSTOMER:
Well, when's your next round?
CART MASTER:
Thursday.
DEAD PERSON:
ZARQ:.
CUSTOMER:
You're not fooling anyone, you know. Look. Isn't there something you can do?
ZARQ: [singing]
I feel happy. I feel happy.
[whop]
CUSTOMER:
Ah, thanks very much.
CART MASTER:
Not at all. See you on Thursday.
CUSTOMER:
Right. All right.
[howl]
[clop clop clop]
Who's that, then?
CART MASTER:
I dunno. Must be a Bush.
CUSTOMER:
Why?
CART MASTER:
He hasn't got shit all over im!
Posted by: Hajji at June 11, 2006 02:08 PM
I know what Zarqawi mumbled just before he died:
"Rosebud"
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 02:09 PM
MEXICO SCORES
GGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL
(Pande is dancing!)
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 02:11 PM
Hajji,
#493
HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 02:13 PM
I'm thinking of opening a "Pontius Pilates" workout studio...
You just pay your dues and wash your hands of exercise!
Posted by: Hajji at June 11, 2006 02:15 PM
Question is...who's just sitting there waiting to be the one (x 500)?
Posted by: Hajji at June 11, 2006 02:16 PM
There seems to be a great deal of attention regading World Cup soccer. I am not one for watching soccer on TV or listening to it on radio. You must see soccer live to have the full impact of the necessary skills to play the game and the excitement. See live soccer matches!!!
Posted by: Gerald at June 11, 2006 02:25 PM
not me
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 02:27 PM
It was me, I was lurking and missed it. I'll settle for 501 or up.
The best and only soccer mach I saw was live and between Akron U. and Cleveland State in 1983. They battled to a 0-0 overtime then Akron won on the goal kicks. Cleveland State's goalie was amazing.
Posted by: TRH at June 11, 2006 02:47 PM
494 Whose last words were
"I'm a BAAD motherfucker!"
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 02:54 PM
Guantanamo suicides a 'PR move'
A top US official has described the suicides of three detainees at the US base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as a "good PR move to draw attention".
Colleen Graffy told the BBC the deaths were part of a strategy and "a tactic to further the jihadi cause", but taking their own lives was unnecessary.
[snip]
But earlier, the camp commander, Rear Adm Harris said he did not believe the men had killed themselves out of despair.
"They are smart. They are creative, they are committed," he said.
"They have no regard for life, either ours or their own. I believe this was not an act of desperation, but an act of asymmetrical warfare waged against us."
More HERE
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Gitmo suffers a suicide attack? The inmates that hung themselves executed a sinister plan to attack the United States of America by hanging themselves?
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 02:55 PM
Enemy Combatant
Dear Cornposters:
I have just received information that my name is on the enemy combatant list for my postings on the David Corn website and my letters to the Catholic News Service. In fact there are numerous names on the list.
The Nazi regime will not take action until they attack Iran and put forth a plan for a covert attack by the CIA inside the USA and blame this attack on some terrorist bogeyman group before the 2006 elections This attack inside the USA will allow Hitler Bush to declare martial law and cancel the national elections.
At some point after November I will be taken fro my home and thrown into a Halliburton-made prison. I will have no access to my family or a lawyer.
I really am not fearful of such action for me. What I fear most centers around whether or not I am strong enough to remain faithful to my God to the very end. If I can remain faithful, I will die a winner for all eternity. I will have heard God's greatest fifteen words and these fifteen words are why I persevere. WELCOME HOME MY GOOD AND FAITHFUL FRIEND. COME I HAVE PREPARED A PLACE FOR YOU.
Sincerely,
Gerald
Posted by: Gerald at June 11, 2006 03:01 PM
Watch 'Paradide Now' if you want to understand why people are willing to take their own lives as an act of public protest. The soudtrack is in arabic. You can turn on English subtitles. If you don't read to gud you aint gunna lik it.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 03:02 PM
Paradise
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 03:04 PM
Atleast the KBR food is good Gerald. If they lock you up in Iraq or Kuwait you get lobster and ice cream just like the contracters.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 03:06 PM
#501 TRH, soccer goalies have to be amazing. That ball really flies toward them and their reactions have to be quick and decisive.
Posted by: Gerald at June 11, 2006 03:07 PM
Zarqawi's last words:
"This ain't worth 72 virgins"
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 03:07 PM
Whew. Those Iranians had me worried there, for a while, with their laser-guided atomic free kicks and jihadi corner kicks. Mexico wins 3-1. I find it a little ironic that the last goal scored was by the naturalized brazilian Naelson (Sinha). Yeah, folks will migrate to Mexico if you pay 'em a million a year to kick a round ball. I remember getting lots of crap from Mexicans about the US team having naturalized Germans and Dutch players on their national team. I believe our guys are all home-grown now.
yes, Gerald, watching in person is waaaay better than on TV. Running around on the field is even better than being in the stands, feeling like your lungs are gonna pop, with your ankles and feet telling you that a little bastinado would be a welcome break from the game.
Back when there was no TV coverage, I used to seek out pubs and cantinas with PPV connections. I also used to rely a lot on realtime reports over the internet.
20 hrs., 54 minutes till the ball rolls on the Czechs. There's a lot of lbh floating around about all the injuries to the Czechs but I'll believe it when I see it. Smicer is out for sure; but there's still tons of talent there.
A few quick links before the Portugal game:
Looks like the GOP is having war games on the Antietam battlefield.
Pakistan needs to step up (like this) and take a stronger roll in fighting the psychos that are preparing to go into Afghanistan.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at June 11, 2006 03:07 PM
#507 O'Reilly, thank you for saying something positive about my detention. The food may be good for the soldiers but I do not know how the food will be for the detainees.
Posted by: Gerald at June 11, 2006 03:12 PM
Some days all I see is black. On other days, I can see the silver lining. Yum, lobster and ice cream.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 03:15 PM
#509 capt and #510 Pandemoniac, great posts!!!
Posted by: Gerald at June 11, 2006 03:17 PM
Cornposters! My congradulations on exceeding 500 posts, even after taken out the (very few) double posts. So early in the day, too. I know you had it in you!
You can all go out and garden, or watch the world cup, or both at the same time, now...
Posted by: David B. Benson at June 11, 2006 03:42 PM
96 posts from 600. hmmmm...
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 03:52 PM
"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will.
If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
..........david rockefeller
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 04:26 PM
294 Carey,
I am not a Rep. and I want it all. Who doesnt?
Posted by: A. at June 11, 2006 05:16 PM
486 if any terrorists have or will have made their way into the u.s. it would most likely be with the full knowledge of u.s. agencies.
There WERE terrorists in the US and apparently nobody knew they were terrorists until it was too late. AND you can bet that there are STILL terrorists in the US that have been here for a long time, waiting for their orders from Osama. He is still threatening us with another attack.
Posted by: A. at June 11, 2006 05:21 PM
The ferns were encroaching upon the bleeding hearts. I did what I had to do.
The end.
PS. I thought I'd leave the gory parts out.
PSS. Gerald, this is an allegory.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 11, 2006 05:23 PM
#519
But I did get a little sunburned so maybe it isn't an allegory.
Posted by: Jeanne at June 11, 2006 05:29 PM
A top US official has described the suicides of three detainees at the US base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as a "good PR move to draw attention".
A good PR move. Huh. A PR move. Is John Cleese writing this man's press briefings?
Posted by: Jeanne at June 11, 2006 05:35 PM
"The trouble with most folks isn't so much their ignorance, as knowing so many things that ain't so.": - Josh Billings - [Henry Wheeler Shaw] (1818-1885) American humorist and lecturer
=
"Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal -- that there is no human relation between master and slave.": Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoi - (1828-1910) Russian writer
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"Most Americans aren't the sort of citizens the Founding Fathers expected; they are contented serfs. Far from being active critics of government, they assume that its might makes it right.": Joseph Sobran - (1946- ) Columnist
===
Thanks ICH Newsletter!
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 05:36 PM
#497 Or you could open up a combo espresso stand/exercise gym and call it "Pilattes"
Posted by: observer at June 11, 2006 05:43 PM
517 I want it all, and you can't have it! lol
I haven't been gardening. It is too hot.
The World Cup-- no interest to me.
Posted by: Mark at June 11, 2006 05:48 PM
484
(Happy wrote:) "the strengthening hands of Rich Brown/Yellow Males (Saudi Arabia, Quatar, UAE, Kuwait, China, India, Mexico)....."
who is responsible for the strengthening?.......
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 01:11 PM
===========================================
Capitalism, globalization and more balanced interdependencies! Vs. the conquer/cheat/take of the colonial days. The days of giving trinkets or booze to locals for gold, silver, oil, etc...are over.
Except for short-sighted isolationists in the G-7, it's not hard to accept the FACT that many non-white countries will grow faster than the mature G-7s'! In the process, some will become global powers, like Lenovo's (China) buying IBM's PC/notebook business.....Cemex (Mexico) owning the American cement business....Dubai Ports wanting to expand what they are good at (managing port operations)....
On this Sunday, Happy's good deed is to help you learn more about `How the World Turns'!
Posted by: Happy waits for B-Ball at June 11, 2006 05:59 PM
The greatest play in ALL sports (in my opinion):
mms://a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/library/open/features/monday_flag_350.wmv?media_type=wms&av_type=video&event_pk=486348&product=gen_video
Posted by: Mark at June 11, 2006 05:59 PM
How do I make a hyperlink?
A link is done with something called the Anchor tag.
The anchor tag looks like this:
<A HREF="pagename.html">Link Here</A>
Anything that appears between the begin and end anchor tags will take you to the specified destination when clicked.
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If you want to learn to hyperlink and the above does not help, drop me an email.
Another way to post those long URL's is to create a small URL at:
Tinyurl.com
Just paste the long URL into thier page and you can get a short one.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 06:28 PM
The "tiny URL" looks like this:
http://tinyurl.com/kgfa9
Or a link using your description as the linked text:
The greatest play in ALL sports (in my opinion):
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 06:33 PM
`How the World Turns'!
hmmm. i think that i will stand by my previous statement of:
one has only to look at photos of bush holding hands with his saudi prince, or read of the extent to which bush41 has been allied to kuwait, or discover the extent to which america is indebted to china, or research the guest worker program or the outsourcing of jobs to india in order to see where the responsibility for such strengthening lies.
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 07:16 PM
Saudis doubt nationals were suicides at camp
Some doubt U.S. claim, say torture may have driven men to kill themselves
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - The reported suicides of two Saudi prisoners at Guantanamo Bay intensified Saudi anger at the camp, drawing questions Sunday about whether the men really killed themselves or were driven to it by torture.
The detention of more than 130 Saudis at the U.S. jail has long grated on people in the kingdom, and there was marked skepticism that the prisoners committed suicide.
"The families donÕ´ believe it, and of course I donÕ´ believe it either," said Kateb al Shimri, a lawyer who represents relatives of Saudis held at Guantanamo.
More HERE
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 07:17 PM
A. -
There WERE terrorists in the US and apparently nobody knew they were terrorists until it was too late. AND you can bet that there are STILL terrorists in the US that have been here for a long time, waiting for their orders from Osama. He is still threatening us with another attack.
yes, that is what we were/are told by the very same individuals who benefit financially from the public continuing to believe this.
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 07:20 PM
A, that is really quite humorous. Here is news of a terrorist attack:
Army "apologizes" after killing 10 civilians, including two infants
After the Israeli army shelled the Gaza beach killing 10 civilians, including two infants aged 6 months and 18 months, and injuring forty other residents, army spokesperson "apologizes" and says that the incident could be labeled as "work accident." At least forty civilians were killed in the attack.
Posted Jun 11, 2006 09:07 AM PST
"Oops. Is our face RED!"
Seriously, here is something to think about.
18 months ago Hamas declared a cease-fire. In that 18 months Israel never offered a counter-gesture. The bulldozers kept running, the wall kept growing, the planes kept bombing, the blood of Palestinians kept flowing. But as long as Hamas maintained its cease fire, the world continued to view Israel as the aggressor in the conflict. First Sharon and now Ohlmert find the Hamas cease-fire a major roadblock to escalating the campaign against the Palestinian "demographic threat".
So now we have an "accident", that openly kills 40 Palestinians including babies, and Hamas ends its voluntary cease fire.
So now Israel has an open road to escalate the campaign against the Palestinians.
"Accident" my foot!
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HMMMM, terrorists? We give those murderers money to do shit like that.
Posted by: Saladin at June 11, 2006 07:48 PM
"Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear."
~ Harry S Truman (1884 - 1972), August 8, 1950
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 07:50 PM
529
`How the World Turns'!
hmmm. i think that i will stand by my previous statement...
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 07:16 PM
==============================================
You have absolute right to stand by any statement; just don't ask for help as you get smaller and smaller in the rear view mirrors, feeling left behind or working for rich brown/yellow males! LOL!
Posted by: Happy out for Pizza at June 11, 2006 08:00 PM
If Ann Coulter's a Christian, I'll Be Damned
In a country that flatters itself with the sobriquet "Christian nation," the majority of American "Christians" support the death penalty without experiencing a second of cognitive dissonance.
A disturbing number of Christians can't get past the book of Leviticus without gathering rocks to stone every stray "sodomite" crossing their path.
Alas, the Jesus that reigns over America takes delight in schemes to expel illegal aliens from the land.
Because her blond mane and feral eyes give her an uncanny resemblance to all four horses of the Apocalypse, the American Jesus has a soft spot for Ann Coulter, despite her hateful shtick.
In her latest best-selling tirade "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," Ms. Coulter demonstrates why she's a "Christian" and her political opponents are the spawn of Satan.
In "Godless," a book that proves there is often truth in advertising as far as titles are concerned, Ms. Coulter proves her love for humanity by questioning the motives of the widows who successfully lobbied for the creation of the 9/11 Commission.
When she's through with her shoddy hit-piece that includes speculation about whether the widows' husbands were planning to divorce them before al-Qaida spared them a visit to divorce court, you can't help but feel you're in the presence of something supernaturally despicable.
No one slings mud imported straight from the Stygian depths quite like Ms. Coulter, a McCarthyite-smear artist who loves generating revulsion across the political spectrum every time she has a book to flog.
Her exaggerations, hackery, lies and bad faith are dutifully pointed out by critics every time she hits the book circuit, but the insincerity of her Christian profession is rarely commented upon. This has always bothered me.
More HERE
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Someone actually dislikes Ann Coulter more than I do.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 08:03 PM
President Bush Job Approval
Forty-one percent (41%) of Americans approve of the way that George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-eight percent (58%) disapprove.
Telephone interviews for this update were conducted following the death of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. This suggests that there is no immediate "bounce" for the President from the news. Economic confidence, as measured by the Rasmussen Consumer and Investor Index , has actually slipped a bit since the terrorist leaderÕ³ death. That stands in sharp contrast to the reaction following the capture of Saddam Hussein when economic confidence soared to the highest levels of the post-9/11 era.
Just 18% Strongly Approve of the way the President is performing his job. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove. Demographic details and trends for the full month data are available to Premium Members
More HERE
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I still do not put too much faith in polls but . . .
capt
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 08:34 PM
just don't ask for help as you get smaller and smaller in the rear view mirrors,
i wouldn't dream of it
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 10:08 PM
feeling left behind or working for rich brown/yellow males!
Posted by: Happy
Xenophobic is a big word for bigot. What's the difference? That is to say, what difference does your employer's skin color make? And sexist too. You are ruled by fear.
Based on this reaction, I'm beginning to see the effectiveness of the Rove/RNC/Fox immigration issue exploitation.
BE AFRAID. Be very afraid.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 10:14 PM
528 Thanks capt!
Posted by: Mark at June 11, 2006 10:58 PM
531
I was in NY and saw enough to be convinced. If it "never really happened" like some of the wackos are saying, then it would be splattered across the news, especially the Enquirer.
People would be yelling it every single day just to get Bush out of office.
532
That is a terrorist attack too, yes, as well as the ones that happened here in the US and in other countries. None of them are "humorous". Death is not humorous at all in the US or out of the US. Children were also killed here.
I am not in the Israeli army/governement, therefore I can not control what they do. I do not control what happens here or there or anywhere either. I certainly wish I could. Don't ask.
Posted by: A. at June 11, 2006 11:09 PM
Another 56 matches remains to be played before the winners of the 18th World Cup are crowned in Berlin on July 9.
One can only imagine what can occur on the world scene in a month's time. Gee, maybe we'll all make friends and live happily everafter.
Posted by: observer at June 11, 2006 11:10 PM
If it "never really happened" like some of the wackos are saying,
no one says it never really happened, just that the perpetrators are other than we were led to believe.
and on a related note:
philip zelikow is attending the bilderberg council.
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 11:19 PM
Like I said... people would be yelling it every day if there was a hint of truth to it, just to get Bush out of office. You can not go by a website to get truthful information. I could go make a website and say whatever I want, but it does not make it true.
Posted by: A. at June 11, 2006 11:22 PM
nite nite
Posted by: A. at June 11, 2006 11:23 PM
I'm watching Howard Zinn on CSpan. He's giving a great speech about the sickness of war. He has a book out called Just War. He was talking about the corporations that make so much money off the war and said a good poster would be, "War is good for business, invest your son"
Posted by: JUDY at June 11, 2006 11:29 PM
June, where do you go to get truthful information?
Posted by: JUDY at June 11, 2006 11:36 PM
538
Xenophobic is a big word for bigot. What's the difference? That is to say, what difference does your employer's skin color make? And sexist too. You are ruled by fear.
Posted by: O'Reilly at June 11, 2006 10:14 PM
===========================================
O'Reilly:
Don't be shallow by reading bigotry and sexism into my words which parodied spy's. And, I am ruled by fear? You are mad, right? The `fear' is rampant among you Lefties...Who is afraid of globalization? Not Me! Outsourcing? Not Me! But I know the Left is terrified of having to compete globally!
To clarify for you, my post, more than simply to rebut spy's rantings against "Rich White Males", had as its central theme, an endorsement of today's more equitable global wealth creations (vs. the exploitations of yester years).
On a personal level, I have invested in Emerging Markets for 10+ years and indirectly created some of those rich brown/yellow males. I also own a pair of V-8 Powered vehicles w/$60+ fillups ! No bigotry here! I'll spend my consumption $$ or send my investment $$ totally irregardless of skin color!
BTW, congratulations to you for an effective two days of `stuffing the posts" to get them over 500.
Posted by: Happy for Dallas at June 11, 2006 11:39 PM
people would be yelling it every day if there was a hint of truth to it, just to get Bush out of office.
people ARE yelling it every day despite the mcmedia blackout of the entire subject, and it goes way beyond getting bush out of office.
You can not go by a website to get truthful information. I could go make a website and say whatever I want, but it does not make it true.
yes, and if your website were spreading untruths it would be exposed by other websites. where then do YOU turn for truthful information?
Posted by: spy on this! at June 11, 2006 11:44 PM
War in the end is always about betrayal, betrayal of the young by the old, of soldiers by politicians, and of idealists by cynics.
Ð Chris Hedges
Posted by: capt at June 11, 2006 11:45 PM
Our resident Bushbots love to boast of their (alleged) wealth. I wonder how much of it they think it will take to buy their way into Heaven?
Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 12, 2006 01:09 AM
"Come now, you rich people, weep and wail for the miseries that are coming to you. Your riches have rotted, and your clothes are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you, and it will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure for the last days. Listen! The wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the righteous one, who does not resist you."--James 5:1-6 (NRSV)
Such is the bottomless human capacity for self-deception that our modern fat cats, and their merely plump feline sycophants, sincerely believe their wealth is righteously earned, and exploitation only happened in the bad old days, but in truth, their nature has not changed since Biblical times.
For the truth, download the free e-book "THE CONSERVATIVE NANNY STATE", by economist Dean Baker, from conservativenannystate.com. Baker debunks the myth that the Right loves the market. In truth, they rely on a range of government policies to ensure that they get the gold mine while the rest of us get the shaft. Selah.
Venceremos, Kid Charlemagne
Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 12, 2006 01:30 AM
No Doubt!
Posted by: capt at June 12, 2006 01:31 AM
Gerald, I wouldn't worry too much. Over half the country disapproves of Caesar Doofus Maximus now. Even the death of What's-His-Name, which will not do Shinola to stop the rebellion, only boosted Chimpy's approval to about 41%. How can they lock up over half the population? Heck, James has invited the Gestapo-wannabes to come and get him, an invitation they have so far declined.---KC
Posted by: Kid Charlemagne at June 12, 2006 01:37 AM
I do not worry for our resident troll. I am not convinced the "captain of industry" is anything but pure imagination and conjecture.
I know a few people that were and are very successful, none hold their employee's in contempt for not being business owners and none I know became successful through conceit and arrogance. Those are the bad qualities of a loser not a winner, a whiner not a success.
I know of no day trader that is happy when the DJIA is up and sad when it is down. There is only the Spyder fund(?) that follows the DJIA. The balance of the market is a mixed bag of up's and down's. We own a little stock and have a little in a few "funds" we make money on days that the DJIA is down and vice versa.
To say I am unconvinced is a gross understatement. I think the troll wealth will likely pass through the eye of a needle much easier than a camel. The karma alone does not bode well for such braggarts and braying tongues.
Just my opinion but I do agree with me on most things!
HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at June 12, 2006 01:44 AM
still here! - j
Posted by: spy on this! at June 12, 2006 01:47 AM
The karma alone does not bode well for such...
indeed! that's why i invested in the blue sky...
Posted by: spy on this! at June 12, 2006 01:51 AM
"The smaller the mind the greater the conceit." ~ Aesop (620 BC - 560 BC)
All such bragging drips of insecurity. Insecurity breeds fear and fear feeds hate. (that about covers all the troll posts, eh?)
I have never heard any such thing from those who are at peace with themselves and their lot in life, be it master or slave, millionaire or pauper.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 12, 2006 01:56 AM
ny gov pataki is at the bilderberg council with 911 commissioner zelikow
Posted by: spy on this! at June 12, 2006 02:09 AM
"It is one of the great secrets of life that those things which are most worth doing, we do for others." ~ Lewis Carroll (1832 - 1898)
The Bliderberg group is meeting in secret to form plans to save the poor and unfortunate from the burden of wealth or fortune.
They just want to help.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 12, 2006 02:20 AM
#553 Kid Charlemagne, I love the Caesar Doofus Maximus comment!
Posted by: Gerald at June 12, 2006 02:52 AM
Mass murder is a mortal sin
Posted by: Gerald at June 12, 2006 02:57 AM
Where has love gone in the Nazi American way of life?
Posted by: Gerald at June 12, 2006 03:07 AM
Bolton/Bush/Olmert axis of evil reign supreme
Posted by: Gerald at June 12, 2006 03:14 AM
www.antiwar.com has several good articles for June 12, 2006.
Posted by: Gerald at June 12, 2006 03:25 AM
I am extremely tired and it is bedtime for me.
Posted by: Gerald at June 12, 2006 03:34 AM
ROVE'S WAR - HE BROUGHT US THE GREAT PRETENDER
Smart enough to get an Idiot in the White House, dumb enough to lie to a Grand Jury
16 July 2003: "A White House Smear" is published at the website of Nation magazine. Author David Corn opines that Novak's informants revealed the role of Wilson's wife in order to sully Wilson's name for the sake of revenge, "That would seem to mean that the Bush administration has screwed one of its own top-secret operatives in order to punish Wilson or to send a message to others who might challenge it."
Corn's article is the first published to argue a nefarious White House role.
More HERE
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A neat site with this at the bottom of their page:
"This site is sponsored as a public service on behalf of America's national security by BuzzFlash.com and TakeBackTheMedia.com"
They could have written "Mr. Corn" but they might be on a first name basis.
capt
Posted by: capt at June 12, 2006 04:33 AM
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This is the 1st I have heard that 9/11 was "faked" so ppl arent yelling loud enough, I guess. lol
I dont believe or trust too much of what I read or hear anywhere.
Posted by: A. at June 12, 2006 08:19 AM
A, I do not believe I said death was humorous, I said your comment was, not only humorous but amazingly naive. You think the MSM has the slightest interest in telling the truth? I have yet to see any examples of truth telling, especially in the past 5 years, and especially where this administration is concerned. Maybe you are referring to the judith miller, NY times WMD's that were going to become a mushroom cloud over the US at any moment truths? Or that saddam and OBL were best bud truth? Even when they print a hint of what is happeneing they yank it right away. I can only feel sad for anyone who can still put any faith whatsoever in our media when it has proven itself as corrupt as the govt.
Posted by: Saladin at June 12, 2006 10:24 AM
capt 559, as soon as they accomplish their grand plan to create one massive state encompassing Mexico, the US and Canada you can bet that we will ALL be liberated from our wealth and live a happily equal life, the one the Mexican people are currently fleeing from! Just one of those truths that the MSM is screaming from the rooftops, you know, like their intense concern for the DU poisoning that is causing genocide in the middle east and will one day make it's way back home.
Gerald, 563, you forgot blair.
Posted by: Saladin at June 12, 2006 10:31 AM
Where has truth gone? I cannot find truth anywhere. The government lies, the press lies, people lie, corporations lie, bloggers lie, websites lie, everybody lies or supports lies of others.
Have we reached the point of no return?
Will there ever be truth?
Posted by: DEN at June 12, 2006 10:39 AM
DEN, I think truth is the most endangered species. And there are too many people who couldn't care less.
Posted by: Saladin at June 12, 2006 10:48 AM
Robert Baden-Powell's sexual orientation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A number of modern authors, upon examining Baden-Powell's life and papers from the perspective of late-twentieth century understanding of sexuality, have explained his life-long interest in boys as the result of a strong erotic attraction to masculine beauty, principally in the form of young males. Among these historians are Tim Jeal, the author of Baden-Powell: Founder of the Boy Scouts a widely praised biography which takes a compassionate view of a man he considers to have lived a life of repressed homosexuality, and Michael Rosenthal of Columbia University, in his The character factory: Baden-Powell and the origins of the Boy Scout movement.
(link)
Posted by: B. at June 12, 2006 10:52 AM
Both Parties Have Betrayed America
MICHAEL BERG | June 11 2006
...On March 17, 2006, I joined many others, both conservatives and liberals, in taking the first steps to put things right. I had the honor to be the first person to sign the Voters Pledge for Peace.
The Voters Pledge on the Voters for Peace website is a project comprising many of the major organizations in the antiwar movement-United for Peace and Justice, Peace Action, Gold Star Families for Peace, Code Pink, and Democracy Rising-as well as groups with broader agendas like the National Organization for Women, Progressive Democrats of America, AfterDowningStreet.com, and magazines including the American Conservative and the Nation. The goal of this coalition is to build a base of antiwar voters that cannot be ignored by anyone running for office in the United States. We want millions of voters to sign the pledge and say no to pro-war candidates.
You can help right now by visiting www.VotersForPeace.US and immediately signing the Voters Pledge, which states:
I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in his or her campaign.
And after you sign it, send it to everyone you know and urge them to do the same. Together we can change the path of the United States-move ourselves in a new direction toward the way it's supposed to be, so that all fathers, all mothers, all Americans will be able to face the next Fathers Day, Mothers Day, and Independence Day with the pride these holidays deserve.
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This is the only way we can have change. We must insist on it, and accept nothing less. Otherwise bow down to the CFR and the Bildebergers and all those other secretive, non-elected groups that will make your decisions for you.
Posted by: Saladin at June 12, 2006 10:53 AM
"Our race (the Jews) is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
Prime Minister of Israel, Menechem Begin - 1977-1983.
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"I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah, 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do."
(source: Ariel Sharon - interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956)
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"every time we do something you tell me Americans will do
this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear,
don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish
people control America, and the Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon, 3 October, 2001
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The height of political correctness. We should send them more money so they can bomb more holiday beach goers into submission.
Posted by: Saladin at June 12, 2006 11:07 AM
Ah, for an old-fashioned eggcream...(we used to get seltzer delivered in those recyclable soda siphons.)
NYT Bob Herbert: Kerry 'almost certainly' won Ohio in 2004
Published: Monday June 12, 2006
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 12, 2006 11:09 AM
If truth is the most endangered species, perhaps it is because many of us do not adhere to a standard of fact or reality. What we want to hear is truth -- if it is not what we want to hear, it is fake, a fraud, a lie.
Posted by: micki at June 12, 2006 11:16 AM
567 - people are yelling til they're blue in the face but if the mcmedia doesn't report it then it remains just isolated pockets of yelling.
but since you've used the word faked and never really happened, i suspect that you HAVE heard of it and are merely being disingenuous.
in case i am wrong and you really have not heard of it and are perhaps interested in what some people think 911 was about, here are two good places to start:
reopen911.org
scholars for 911 truth
Posted by: spy on this! at June 12, 2006 11:23 AM
Here is a bit of truth that most will not want to swallow.
"[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions.
Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call `Social Insurance.' Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America."
Edward Mandell House in a meeting with President Woodrow Wilson, the traitorous bringer of the Federal Reserve and the IRS. For the common good? HAHAHA! It sure worked out for them didn't it?
Posted by: Saladin at June 12, 2006 11:26 AM
Ouze Merham is a fictitious Israeli general who supposedly interviewed future Prime Minister of Israel Ariel Sharon in 1956. In the interview Sharon allegedly said:
I vow that IÕll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian women and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian childÕs existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian woman is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do.
It first appeared on Muslim websites in mid-2001 during the al-Aqsa Intifada. The quote is seen as obviously false for a number of reasons:
The term "Palestinian" was rarely used by Israelis to refer to Palestinian Arabs in 1956.
It is unclear why an Israeli general would interview Sharon, and then publish the interview.
There is no record of any Israeli general named "Ouze Merham" existing, nor any record of Sharon giving such an interview in 1956.
The quote exists in no verifiable publication.
There are a number of false quotes attributed to Sharon which are circulating on the internet.[1]
The hoax quotation is frequently used as anti-Israel propaganda. Student columnist Mariam Sobh used the quote in her December 11, 2003 Daily Illini column, but later apologized.
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Listen, I have repeatedly condemned many Israeli actions, and the incidents at Sabrah and Shatilla, as well as Jenin were horrific war crimes. That said, it does no one any good to repeat false accusations. You might as well embrace the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as fact.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 12, 2006 11:26 AM
Truth AND Consequences?
After work one evening, a woman stopped at the deli to buy a chicken for dinner. The butcher grabbed the last bird he had and plopped it onto a scale, and announced its weight to the shopper.
The woman calculated the chicken was too small for her intended meal plans. She asked the butcher if he had a larger bird. He made no comment, but removed the chicken from sight and groped behind the counter.
After a moment of feigned searching, the butcher produced the same chicken and put it on the scale. ÒThis one,Ó he said, ÒWeighs one pound more.Ó The woman thought for a moment and said, ÒGood, IÕll take both!Ó
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Were there conseqeuences for the butcher? Does he stay in business? Did his customers demand he become more honest? Did they accept that "everybody does it?" Did they figure the butcher down the block is worse?
Posted by: micki at June 12, 2006 11:30 AM
"06 cr 128"
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 12, 2006 11:35 AM
Robert @575,
In the most recent issue of Salon.com, certainly no right-wing screed, Farhad Manjoo completely debunks each and every one of Kennedy's claims.
Further, it reveals Kennedy to be the silly, privliged ass that he is. One would imagine that, with his family history, he has inherited either some type of STD or fetal alcohol syndrome to make his logic so poor.
Posted by: factchecker at June 12, 2006 11:37 AM
Robert, the quote may be ficticious but his racist, murderous behavior certainly wasn't. He was considered a war criminal who was unable to travel to certain countries because of his crimes against humanity, the Palestinians in general.
Posted by: Saladin at June 12, 2006 11:40 AM
what the devil is a kennedy?
Posted by: spy on this! at June 12, 2006 11:45 AM
slackchecker;
Your inflammatory remarks about Robert Kennedy Jr. are regrettable to say the least. One would imagine that, with his family history, he has inherited either some type of STD or fetal alcohol syndrome to make his logic so poor.
One who claims to be "fact?checker" would never imagine to make such a claim. And Kennedy isn't the first to doubt the results.
The exit polling was substantially in favor of Kerry. This is the kind of data that we generally use to legitimate or condemn the elections in foreign contries, for example, in the Ukraine.
I don't have to bother with reading Farhad Manjoo's piece to remember the long lines we witnessed outside polling places in Cleveland and elsewhere. As Herbert says in his piece:
Mebane told me that he compared the distribution of voting machines in Ohio's 2004 presidential election with the distribution of machines for a primary election held the previous spring. For the primary, he said, "There was no sign of racial bias in the distribution of the machines." But for the general election in November, "there was substantial bias, with fewer voting machines per voter in areas that were heavily African-American."
This was evident on Election night - we could see the lines waiting in the rain...
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 12, 2006 11:52 AM
583,
All the more reason to be accurate.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 12, 2006 11:55 AM
I knew you Corn-nuts had a few loose screws!LOL
Earth Calling
By "Scott Shepard" | Sunday, June 11, 2006, 12:52 PM
For all the bashing of the mainstream media at the YearlyKos convention, the bloggers in attendance clearly wanted to be taken seriously by the reporters covering the convention. Their blogs frequently quoted from mainstream newspaper articles, and they tried to have their photographs taken with the likes of New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd.
But some started to worry about the image they were projecting outside the blogosphere on Saturday when some bloggers started an unusual contest - making the most original tinfoil hat. As dozens of bloggers donned their creations with delight, television crews and newspaper photographers descended on them. ÒOh, no. This is going to be the B-roll on TV tonight,Ó said one dismayed blogger.
Hey Capt, beam us up.
Posted by: LBH at June 12, 2006 12:04 PM
Associate Publisher: Public Interest in News Topics Beyond Control of Mainstream Media
By Kenneth F. Bunting
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer
Friday 09 June 2006
The blogosphere has been abuzz. But in the days since Rolling Stone magazine published a long piece that accused Republicans of widespread and intentional cheating that affected the outcome of the last presidential election, the silence in America's establishment media has been deafening.
In terms of bad news judgment, this could turn out to be the 2006 equivalent of the infamous "Downing Street memo," the London Times story that was initially greeted by the U.S. media with a collective yawn.
Robert Kennedy Jr.'s Rolling Stone mega-essay is titled "Was the 2004 Election Stolen?" It focuses on widespread voting irregularities, questionable tallies and disenfranchising practices, particularly in Ohio, which President Bush won by more than 100,000 votes.
Singling out Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell for much of the blame, Kennedy writes persuasively that enough was awry in that state alone to raise serious questions as to whether Bush really defeated John Kerry in 2004. Blackwell, now a Republican candidate for governor, headed Bush's state re-election campaign at the same time he was constitutionally in charge of the state's voting machinery.
While Kennedy's article perhaps gives far too much weight to suspicious discrepancies between exit polls and the final election outcome, it meticulously asserts and documents questionable methods of purging voter rolls, intentionally created long lines at Democratic polling places, court-defying practices regarding registrations and provisional ballots, a phony terrorist alert on Election Day and final tallies in some counties and precincts that, to Kennedy's way of seeing it, simply don't make sense. Already, it notes, three Cleveland-area election officials have been indicted for illegally rigging the recount.
More.
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Mostly a story about whether it is a story....
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 12, 2006 12:06 PM
#587 - Worrying about what kind of hats people wear at conventions?
Ever see a Political Convention?
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 12, 2006 12:12 PM
#587 - Worrying about what kind of hats people wear at conventions?
Ever see a Political Convention?
By RS
No worries, just lots of laugh big guy!
No, I've never been to a Star Trek covention, I mean liberal political convention.
By the way Robert, did you win the contest?
Posted by: LBH at June 12, 2006 12:16 PM
I was wondering how we could pick Pandenial out of the crowd at the World Cup and now we know, just look for the tin-foil hat. Ha ha ha!
You Corn-nuts sure are entertaining.
Posted by: LBH at June 12, 2006 12:19 PM
Robert,
You need to do better than that. Poll taken of the people standing in line who went home. Divided evenly, 50-50 betweem those who would have voted for Bush and Kerry.
Why are you afraid to read Manjoo's piece? He is certainly no right-wing reactionary. Afraid you might learn some inconvenient facts?
Posted by: factchecker at June 12, 2006 12:24 PM
Poll taken of the people standing in line who went home. Divided evenly, 50-50 betweem those who would have voted for Bush and Kerry.
Bullshit, unless you believe African-Americans would have supported Bush and Kerry equally.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 12, 2006 12:34 PM
Bullshit, unless you believe African-Americans would have supported Bush and Kerry equally.
By RS
Robert Kennedy Jr and Robert Schwartz cannot answer this with any facts, but what we can answer with facts is that the Dems were slashing tires to keep repubs from the polls.
Posted by: LBH at June 12, 2006 12:40 PM
Factchecker #582,
Did you even read the Manjoo article?
"Certainly you can find some good in Kennedy's report. His section on Kenneth Blackwell, Ohio's right-wing secretary of state, nicely sums up the reasons why people have been suspicious of the voting process in the state. Blackwell, Kennedy notes, "had broad powers to interpret and implement state and federal election laws -- setting standards for everything from the processing of voter registration to the conduct of official recounts." There's no argument that he used those powers for partisan gain. As Kennedy documents, in the months prior to the election, Blackwell issued a series of arbitrary and capricious voting and registration rules that could well have disenfranchised many people in the state."
That's not quite the same as "completely debunk[ing] each and every one of Kennedy's claims," is it? Certainly, he calls into question Kennedy's methods and conclusions, but the statement in your post is deceptive if not dishonest. That's why we always ask for links; this allows a reader to review the material you cite as evidence in your favor. Of course, this may be precisely why you don't link.
And then you have to roll out the hoary "Kennedy = drunk" smear. (Note that Manjoo doesn't do the same - he uses facts in his arguments. You ought to try it some time.) I suppose your next post will reveal the shocking news that MICHAEL MOORE IS FAT!
Of course, you also like to claim that critics of the Bush administration support terrorism because... well, because they're critics of the Bush administration.
Why on earth should anyone here pay any attention to anything you post?
Posted by: Don at June 12, 2006 12:42 PM
Why are you afraid to read Manjoo's piece? He is certainly no right-wing reactionary. Afraid you might learn some inconvenient facts?
No time now, maybe when I get a chance, but in the meantime your claim is still incredulous.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 12, 2006 12:48 PM
No time now, maybe when I get a chance, but in the meantime your claim is still incredulous.
By RS
This coming from the guy who wears tin-foil hats at political conventions. LOL
Posted by: LBH at June 12, 2006 12:59 PM
I suppose your next post will reveal the shocking news that MICHAEL MOORE IS FAT!
By Don
What the hell is shocking about that?
Posted by: LBH at June 12, 2006 01:01 PM
Kennedy = drunk" smear.
By Don
I would add:
Kennedy = murder of women, rape of women.
it seems to run in the family.
Posted by: LBH at June 12, 2006 01:04 PM
#580
Micki,
I loved that story. Someone told me today that she is disgusted by people's actions. She asked "what is going on?"
There is a lack of respect. In this instance it was a lack of respect for my daughter and her daughter in a class. And then the immediate supervisor tried to cover for the teacher. I said. "Fine, I'm going above you."
And I did. This wasn't a small incident. You don't cover for lack of good judgment. Ever.
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