The president and the White House misled the public about the leak. They said that Rove and Libby were not involved in it. They also said that anyone who was involved would be booted from the administration. It turns out that not only were these two senior aides involved; they were at the center of it. The White House has refused to address this--let alone correct its previous false statements. Nor has Bush kept the promise to dismiss the leakers.

True.

Nothing to see here, move along.

"The president and the White House misled the public about the leak. They said that Rove and Libby were not involved in it. They also said that anyone who was involved would be booted from the administration."

I guess I missed that press conference. Please quote for me exactly what was said about booting.

Valerie Plame was outed because it was at her behest that her husband went to Niger. The administration had to defend itself.

I'm sure those of you who applauded the release of the NSA spying and other covert actions will applaud the outing of Valerie Plame. If you can't be smart, at least be consistent.

All right boys and girls, S.H.I.T.

Time for Thursday Night Funnies.

""You were in Baghdad for six hours. You weren't even in the real Baghdad. You were in the Green Zone. That's like going to the Olive Garden and saying you've been to Italy."
--Jon Stewart

"President Bush sneaked into Iraq without any formal paperwork, which I guess would make him an undocumented leader."
--Jay Leno

"The sad part of President Bush's trip. He's so unpopular, he had to sneak back into this country."
--Jay Leno

"Prosecutors announced yesterday that Karl Rove will not be charged with any crimes. ... The White House was pretty relieved. President Bush told Dick Cheney, 'You can cancel that hunting trip with Karl Rove.'"
--Jay Leno

"Congressional investigators say that FEMA was conned out of $1.4 billion in bogus claims including people paying for season football tickets, tropical vacations, golf outings. I'm sorry, that was Tom DeLay."
--Jay Leno

"President Bush made a surprise visit to Iraq today. It lasted five hours. Five hours? That's longer than he stayed at any National Guard meetings."
--Jay Leno

"The White House planned the whole trip in total secrecy. The prime minister of Iraq was not told. The press was not told. Even President Bush was not told. In fact when he got off the plane in Baghdad he said, 'Boy, Arizona is hot.'"
--Jay Leno

"President Bush went to Iraq to boost the new government. That shows you how rough the situation is in Iraq when a guy with 30% approval rating stops by to give you a boost."
--Jay Leno

"Finally some good news for the White House. Today federal prosecutors told Karl Rove that he will not be indicted in the CIA leak case. This is the best news for the White House since oil hit $70 a barrel."
--Jay Leno

"Ann Coulter is going to be on the show tomorrow night. Security is very tight. In fact, there is even restricted airspace over the studio. Her people are afraid that Dorothy's house could drop on her."
--Jay Leno

"There's a big storm named Alberto heading towards Florida and CNN said that Florida residents should have a survival plan to take care of themselves in case, you know, FEMA shows up."
--Jay Leno

"New information has surfaced about the circumstances of Zarqawi's death. For example, it now appears Zarqawi survived the initial air strike for an estimated 52 minutes. Even hours later, Senate Majority Leader, doctor Bill Frist continued to insist, 'The man seems to respond to visual stimuli.'"
--Jon Stewart

"The FBI says it wants Zarqawi's DNA so they can compare it with samples found in other terrorist safe houses and to establish the extent of his influence. And if need be, clone him so he can be killed again closer to the midterm elections."
--Jon Stewart

More? We got more.

as Goddard said: "A society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts, who refuse to believe that their govt. and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it's going to get."

The media's conspiracy theory is better than yours.

It's just easier that way.

The issue is one of accountability. Who is responsible? I was first drawn to this blog because of the "Plamegate" affair. I wanted to understand what had happened and why. As we peal back the onion it reveals a rotten core which goes to the credibility and integrity of the office of president and the government as a whole. The case is important but is insignificant when seen from the perspective of the overall gross behaviour and false direction this government has taken the nation and the world. It is as though the mask of benevolence has been ripped off for all to see what truly has become of the once shining beacon of freedom that was America. God save Her soul.

Eating Crow

A War Party defector gets it half right

Derbyshire's fantasy about striding into the Middle East and striking fear and awe in the terrified minds of the region's inhabitants, then vanishing into the distance, had nothing to do with the actual aims and ambitions of the war he supported. Aside from being morally reprehensible and damaging to the long-term interests of the United States, such a capricious and cruel policy is simply not the way Americans operate. Derbyshire mistakes us for the Israelis. The U.S. government is eager to have us accept the premise that we are in Iraq to do some good: every intervention is, for us, a "humanitarian" intervention – no matter how many innocents we slaughter.

The invasion and conquest of Iraq has but one goal, made all too clear by the news that a provision prohibiting the establishment of permanent military bases in Iraq was recently struck from the military appropriations bill in committee.

Our rulers dream of Empire, and they are not about to be deterred by the gentle reproaches of a few dissident Democrats, or the characteristic reluctance of the American people to be dragged into overseas adventures. Derbyshire is right to apologize for his great mistake in supporting the first phase of this crazed scheme to succeed where Alexander the Great failed. Now let him add his voice to those of us protesting the advance on Damascus and Tehran.

More HERE

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"Derbyshire mistakes us for the Israelis"

HA! - Cracks me up!

capt

From #36 on last thread:

Spy In The House Of Love--do you work for the Pink 'N' Pleasant Plastic Icon Company?

"I don't care if it rains or freezes/Long as I got my plastic Jesus/Glued to the dashboard of my car"

Back to mining NaCl, K to the I to the Dee-Shar

See http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2895

Extra! May/June 2006

Bush-Hating Nation
Anatomy of an epithet

David, you may want to interview Mr. Ron Paul from Texas, a TRUE conservative who has expressed nothing but contempt for the bush WH. I consider him a patriot who is not afraid to tell the truth in defense of our country. You may disagree with his politics, but I am convinced his heart is true, and by God, that is what we need, more than anything.

"A State which dwarfs its men, in order that they may be more docile instruments in its hands even for beneficial purposes, will find that with small men no great thing can really be accomplished."

- John Stuart Mill

Why the Dollar Bubble is about to Burst
It makes sense for Europe, China, India and Japan -- as well as all the other countries mentioned above -- to buy and sell oil in Euro's. They will certainly have to stock-up on euros now, and they will sell dollars to do so. The euro is far more stable than the debt-ridden dollar. The IMF has recently highlighted US economic difficulties and the trade deficit strangling the US -- there is no way out.
Posted Jun 15, 2006 09:44 AM PST

Anyone with any kind of an investment portfolio needs to take a good hard look at it right now, in light of current circumstances.
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Warning, iceberg dead ahead.

Late Night funnies are fine; but there ain't nothing like the real thing baybeee!

"I was not pleased that Hamas has refused to announce its desire to destroy Israel."
—G.W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2006

"President Bush said today that illegal immigrants who come to America should learn English. He said, 'If I was moving to Canada, I would learn Canadian.'"
--Jay Leno

"Discussing the incident, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld described him as 'dark, sadistic and medieval' to which Dick Cheney said, 'You make that sound like a bad thing.'"
--Jay Leno

"Former House leader Tom DeLay officially left Congress this week. He stepped down. He said he's leaving Congress with no regrets, no shame and no ethics."
--Jay Leno

"President Bush still wrestling with the immigration issue right now. You got to give him credit. He's really working on hard on this. This week, President Bush said that any attempt to deport 11 million illegal aliens 'ain't gonna work.' Then, when reporters asked Bush what he was going to do for the rest of the afternoon, he said, 'Ain't gonna work.'"
--Conan O'Brien

"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was the world's most unhinged lunatic. He's now dead, so that moves Ann Coulter up to first place"
--David Letterman

"It was announced today that the U.S. military dropped a bomb that killed Iraq's number one terrorist, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. ... Afterwards President Bush said, 'Oh great and I just learned how to pronounce his name.'"--Conan O'Brien

"Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said al-Zarqawi was 'mean, vicious, and hateful.' So you know what that means? Ann Coulter could be next."
--Jay Leno

"President Bush gave a big speech on immigration in Nebraska. And really, what better place to talk about border problems than Nebraska? You want to go where the people have a feel for the issue."
--Jay Leno

"Did you know Al Gore was voted our second most popular guest ever? Actually he finished first, but the Supreme Court overturned it."
--Jay Leno

"A lot of people said Al Gore was the best vice president the country ever had. Not to take anything away from Al, but look at the competition. He replaced a guy who couldn't spell 'potato' and was followed by a guy who shot someone in the face."
--Jay Leno

"President Bush said he's not going to see [Gore's] film. He said he did go to see 'Ice Age 2: The Meltdown' so he has all the facts about global warming."
--Jay Leno

"Actually, Al Gore's movie, An Inconvenient Truth, made about $2 million this past weekend, whereas X-men made about $150 million. That just shows we're more interested in the fake people saving the fake earth than the real people trying to save the real earth."
--Jay Leno

"You know what the last thing that went through Zarqawi's mind was? A 500 pound bomb. ... The Air Force got him by dropping two 500 pound bombs on his safe house.... And now his supporters in the Middle East are claiming there is more than one al-Zarqawi, which is OK. We have more than one 500 pound bomb."
--Jay Leno

Rest in Pieces, pendejo. Burn in Hell.

Cartoon funnies. Let's see ... where to begin?

The Emperor has no clue. He's got the talking points down; but nobody's buying. There are some things you just can't spin, though. Reverse immigration is all the rage. Coming out of the closet is difficult for the GOP.

Georgie's trying to get a little poochie. Spindly legs, but I like the boots.

Speaking of sexy boots, check Coulter's out. GoGo Boots. Go go face to face with the drooler.

ON the international front, it seems this administration will never answer the bell. They are down for the count. Just when you think they'll get back on their feet, something comes along to screw things up.

The Troops are kicking out the jams trying to fight the hydra.

The mullahs in the GOP must be feeling the same way. Just when the get a grip on one problem, something else crops up and kicks their azzes.

Folks in America are singing the blues; but the Grand Ol' Spending Party doesn't seem to be hearing a thing. Happy days are here again ....

Funny how the White House would need to defend its lies with lies. Redundancy anyone? The conservative movement has gone to seed. This is what they think a hot-button issue consists of. Idiotas.

Oh, goody. Is the polite thing working out?

Someone outed Valerie Plame - if not Rove then who. I can't believe that it stopped at Libby. It's easy to pick on liberals but it is not so easy to pick on facts. If the facts are not there then so be it. Just what are the facts?

Okay...off-topic, but CNN is reporting that (DINO) Dianne Feinstein is going to support the flag burning amendment that is oh, so important to saving our republic. (Not)

If any of you are so inclined -- especially if you live in California -- please consider sending DiFi a version of this letter that follows. thnx.

Senator Feinstein:

I urge you, in the strongest possible terms, to reconsider your support of the proposed constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to circumvent the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment and outlaw political protest in the form of flag burning. The amendment is an insult to all that the flag represents, and to the ability of the American people to demonstrate a commitment to their own ideals. The day that we need an amendment to the Constitution prohibiting political dissent is the day that we cease to deserve the protections of that document.

Flag burning is an offensive form of protest. It is meant to be. Like many other forms of offensive speech, it outrages many who see it and provokes strong emotions. The same can be said of protest speech involving religious symbols, challenges to long observed social conventions, or ad hominem insults. But our modern constitutional system is based on the notion that our commitment to democracy must be stronger than any momentary sense of personal outrage.

Justice William Brennan was correct when he wrote in Texas v. Johnson, the decision upholding the right to burn a flag as a symbol of protest, that the most appropriate response to an offensive act of flag burning is to wave a flag of one's own. It demeans the American public to indulge the sentiment that we must be "protected" from seeing offensive speech, or -- worse -- that the flag itself must ne "protected" from burning lest it lose its symbolic value. Justice Jackson warned against such coerced patriotism over sixty years ago when he wrote, in West Virginia v. Barnette, that compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.

We need government, and the people in it, to set an example of the highest standards of behavior. That example must emphatically include political maturity. To demand the right to outlaw speech that one finds personally offensive, merely to spare oneself the experience of offense, is to fail the challenge of the democratic ideal. It has taken the United States of America over two centuries to become a mature constitutional democracy. Please do not lend your support to this step backwards.

Saladin, you should encourage Ron Paul to use every available opportunity, from his public position (as an elected office, especially since he's from the State of Texas), to speak out against bush and his policies, lies, and dissembling.

If Ron Paul is the true patriot you believe he is (and he may be), he should be seeking every opportunity to put his face on TV, on radio, in the newspapers, on the Internet, in town hall meetings, watermelon thumps, Chili Cook-offs, barbeques, senior proms, tractor pulls, etc, speaking out and spelling out where he disagrees with bush and his boyfriends.

Tell him. I have. So far he has ignored me. But maybe you have more clout. Go for it! Make him prove his true conservative, true patriot bona fides. Otherwise, he's no better than the rest of 'em.

Hi all,

In a previous thread Happy says:

"Besides, if your spouse held a truly sensitive `undercover' job, where lives are in the balance, are you going to blabber out `classfied' reports to anti-administration Pulitzer-hunting reporters?"

1. classfied - classified

2. Rove AND Libby both "blabbered" out classified
info to pro-administration Pulitzer-hunting reporters....your point is?

3. Exactly how do you know Val Plame was not "undercover". And are you saying that
you are an undercover spy posing as a scoutmaster?

Peace

David wrote-
I've yet come across any conservative who has expressed serious concern about the (successful) White House effort to hide behind a stonewall of no-comments and, worse, false denials.
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Our country is lost when the people who are our representatives don't understand the need to hold the white house accountable for the wrongdoing they obvioulsy engaged in. The white house is being run by thugs. It is the congress's duty to protect the country from actions that are wrong. This congress has taken the lack of leadership in the white house as an opportunity to take advantage of the American people. Boy have we been taken for a ride.

18
Hi all,...
Posted by: Say What? at June 15, 2006 11:26 PM
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Is this the best you can do? OK, Miami is blowing out Dallas & I'll `play' you!

Before "The Investigation", who initiated the whole Niger bruhaha? Answer: Spouse of the one now with a big, fat book deal! Ever heard of tit-for-tat......

Those claiming Ms. Plame to be "undercover", ought to back that up.....Inquiring minds wants to weigh evidence of her UNDERCOVER-NESS.

I don't `pose' as a Scoutmaster, I AM an Asst. Scoutmaster and very, very proud of it! What's it to you? Do you volunteer several hours a week, 40+ weeks a year, and for (now) almost 10 years now? I `pose' as Happy xxxxx-anything, including undercover spy for David, for fun!

So, you pose as "Say What?" indicating you are hard of hearing, like my 80+ yrs old father-in-law! Are you fossilizing? LMAO!!

"Ann Coulter is going to be on the show tomorrow night. Security is very tight. In fact, there is even restricted airspace over the studio. Her people are afraid that Dorothy's house could drop on her."
--Jay Leno
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Pandemoniac,
That was funny.

What really concerns me is that there are several Catholic conservative politicians who have not spoken out against the war. Remember these words!!! G. K. Chesterton has said that THE GREATEST STUMBLING BLOCS FOR CATHOLICISM ARE CATHOLICS. It is very, very painful for me to say that G.K. Chesterton is right. G.K. Chesterton is known as the apostle of common sense.

Okay, back on topic...

David, yours may have been a rhetorical question but I think the reason no conservatives are expressing any outrage about bush's integrity (lack thereof) is because they are just as beholden to big business and big money as bush and his boyfriends are. Integrity and truth is just so passe!

The reason the rightwing and so-called true conservatives don't make any noise about bush's successful hiding behind a stonewall is that they see that works for bush and they don't want to rock the boat for themselves.

I think some Republicans quake in fear imagining what Rove might do to them if they get out of line. If they speak out, they will be steamrollered, crushed by force! They know they could be outed as OPPOSITION if they dared to question bush, which is questioning rove. In other words, they are chickenshit bastards afraid of their shadows.

Nope, they'll stick with the wedge issues. Easier. Proven.

I am off to count some Zs!!!

Gerald,
Me too. I'm counting them in my chair. Time for bed. I am driving up to Duluth with my brother. He's running in Grandma's on Saturday. Crazy guy.
Night Gerald, and everyone else. Good night moon.

Should We Worry About Another 9/11 On 6/19?
by Captain May

Captain May is the leader of Ghost Troop, an antiwar group of veterans and researchers who do "worst-case" analysis of federal terror drills, assuming that the drills may be camoflauge for terror acts (as in New York 9/11 or London 7/7). Their work a month ago in exposing secret Chicago 911 terror exercises has been widely published.

"...the melting point of steel is
2,750 degrees F, and the fact that jet fuel
burns between 800-1500 degrees F. These facts
cannot be disputed. If you recall watching
the video, you will remember seeing black
smoke emanating from both towers. What I mean
is that the black smoke is proof that the
kerosene (jet fuel) was cooling. It simply
isn't possible for jet fuel from a jetliner
to melt steel enough to pancake the entire
floor of any building, much less the WTC."

Hello Say What,
You're correct that steel didn't melt. About the black smoke, it's my understanding with a fire is that's showing a lack of oxygen, or it would be burning 'cleaner', and therefore hotter. But... I think the jet fuel was long gone by then anyway. It burns up pretty fast, leaving materials in the building on fire, and you seen where it traveled up to the floors above the impact point. The collapse theory is more complicated than just "steel couldn't have melted" to respond to. Trusses connected the perimeter beams to the core beams to support the floors. Those trusses (some were taken out by the impact) were sagging from the heat(steel loses up to half it's strength at 600°C, so you see it never had to melt), pulling inward on the perimeter beams. As more were involved, at some point the load transferred was more than the other unaffected columns could absorb. That's a short version of how the collapse started. Once started, the kinetic energy of that mass, multiplying as it builds momentum, was unstoppable.

Pentagon short version... the small hole you've seen was kind of a trick on the conspiracy sites. That's actually a hole one of the landing gears made in the C ring, after passing through the first two rings. Here's the report here (plenty of pictures and diagrams), but it's a 45 page .pdf...
The Pentagon Building Performance Report

About WTC #7, here's a good picture of the back side that not many people have seen. Note the damage on the corner at the top, and all the smoke coming out of the building. Much lower you can see a damaged/charred floor. Also the damage to another building at it's corner is seen also. That and 7's damage were from peeled back perimeter columns from WTC #1.
picture only

If you want more details, here's the page that picture is posted at, along with quotes from the firemen involved.
WTC 7

micki, I don't know if you have read the many, many essays by Ron Paul, but he is considered an outcast among the current crop of "conservative" republicans in office today. No one listens to him because he is so adamant on fiscal responsibility and constitutional rule of law he might as well be a terrorist. I have written to plenty of dems about my concerns, I always thought they were the most likely to respond, but I was wrong. No one responds, and the few who go out on a limb, like Mr. Paul, are simply ignored, or smeared. It's the new right-wing way dontcha know? He is pretty much a loner, even the dems give him a wide berth.

Saving America

I'm convinced George W. Bush is a madman, a brain-damaged dry drunk whose insanity and megalomania threaten the very existence of America. He represents a clear and present danger to the peace and security of this nation and must be treated as a traitor to the very Constitution he swore to uphold in two inaugurations.

I believe he and Vice President Dick Cheney conspired to undermine the Constitution by illegally increasing the power of the executive branch, using the events of September 11, 2001, to advance personal political agendas. Neither man gives a damn about this country. They care only about their own power, their own desires and using both to reward those who bought them with financial and political support.

Bush disregards the law as a matter of course, appending "signing statements" to legislation that he plans to ignore because it infringes on his view of absolute power and divine right from God Almighty.

Cheney sees the Vice Presidency as a means to two ends: Pad his own financial portfolio and enrich his friends in the military-industrial complex.

Both men are aided in their criminal enterprise by a corrupt Republican-led Congress, a governing body so riddled with criminals, con-artists and thieves that the Mafia or Columbian drug gangs pale by comparison.

More HERE

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Doug is on a roll.

capt

House Dems strip Jefferson of panel seat

WASHINGTON -- Add political banishment to the list of problems confronting Rep. William Jefferson, ensnared in a bribery scandal that fellow Democrats hope to turn to their election-year advantage.

"Democrats are determined to hold a high ethical standard," the party's leader, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, said Thursday night after engineering a 99-58 vote of the rank and file that stripped Jefferson of his seat on the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee.

"This isn't about proof in the court of law. This is about an ethical standard," Pelosi said. "I wish that the White House would do the same."

More HERE

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Moral and ethical high-ground goes to the Democrats. Is it just the current circumstance? Is it just politically expedient because of the GOP "culture of corruption"? If Jefferson was the only scandal on the hill would the Democrats be more defensive?

Maybe I am too cynical.

capt

#25 Jeanne, we drove through Duluth and had lunch at a hotel in Ashland, Wisconsin. The hotel was an old white one that was looking out onto to Lake Superior. I love northern Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan but I bet the winters are brutal and long.

Zarqawi sought US-Iran War

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was hoping to provoke a US-Iran war as a way of bogging the Americans down further and defeating them in Iraq.

Remember all those times Bush, Rice and Rumsfeld came out and said they suspected that Shiite Iran was somehow aiding the Sunni Arab insurgency? You remember how baffled I was at this bizarre allegation? You wonder whether they were being fed disinformation by a Zarqawi agent, and falling for it.

After they fell for the biggest whoppers of the 21st century, as retailed by Ahmad Chalabi, have Bush administration officials been gullibly swallowing an al-Qaeda black psy-ops operation intended to mire US troops in the Dasht-i Kavir? For people who think of themselves as tough as nails hardheaded realists, the Bushies seem awfully easy to fool.

More HERE

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This WH does whatsoever pleases them. They are not easy to fool just impossible to persuade or inform.

capt

capt, at the end of the Saving America article is a sentence, "Maybe it is not too late to save this thing called America." I am cynical and I believe that the hatred Nazi Americans have for themselves and others means that it is too late to save this thing or creature called America.

#32 capt, Zarqawi will soon have his wish because Bush/Chainey are licking their chops to nuke Iran.

It is getting a little easier to find conservatives who are off message these days. Thank heaven because it was getting a little tiring to hear the Ann Coulter message embraced by everyone on the conservative side.

I sincerely hope that the USA does not invade Iran. It would spell disaster for us.

Loads of optimism in here! If you don't have faith, then what's the use in living?
good day to all

"I guess I missed that press conference. Please quote for me exactly what was said about booting."

Again? The level of intellectual laziness on the right is astounding. What kind of factchecker needs to be taken by the hand and given information?

Bush at a June 10, 2004, press conference after the G8 summit:
Q: Given recent developments in the CIA leak case, particularly Vice President [Dick] Cheney's discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent's name?
BUSH: That's up to --
Q: And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?
BUSH: Yes. And that's up to the U.S. attorney to find the facts.

McClellan at a September 29, 2003, press briefing:
McCLELLAN: The president has set high standards (sic), the highest of standards (sic) for people in his administration. He's made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards (sic) of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the leaking of Plame's identity], they would no longer be in this administration.
[...]
Q: You continue to talk about the severity of this and if anyone has any information they should go forward to the Justice Department. But can you tell us, since it's so severe, would someone or a group of persons, lose their job in the White House?
McCLELLAN: At a minimum.
Q: At a minimum?
McCLELLAN: At a minimum.

"Valerie Plame was outed because it was at her behest that her husband went to Niger."

be·hest 1. An authoritative command.

is this what you mean? She was not a division director with the authority to send Wilson to Africa. If you consider the fact that she mentioned his name to meet the legal criteria for nepostism, it might be time to start investigationg these guys for nepotism. If you're gonna be uninformed, at least be consistent.

"The administration had to defend itself."

Against this? Why? How does outing Plame solve that problem?

"I'm sure those of you who applauded the release of the NSA spying and other covert actions will applaud the outing of Valerie Plame. If you can't be smart, at least be consistent."
Posted by: factless at June 15, 2006 08:56 PM

Ah, the hobgoblin of little conservative minds. The outing of an illegal electronic spy scheme is analagous to outing a CIA officer? You're obviously OK with the latter. Are you saying that you're OK with the government spying on you without a warrant? If you're ready to give up all of your constitutional rights, just say so. We've got a form for you to fill out just for that purpose. What ever happened to Giving-up-his-Liberty-Dad? I wonder if he ever got around to filing the Posner waiver. Maybe that's why we haven't heard from him in a while.

Court: 15-year-old girls can marry

Colorado recognizes common-law marriages

DENVER, Colorado (AP) -- A 15-year-old girl can enter into a common-law marriage in Colorado, a state appeals court ruled Thursday. Younger girls and boys may also be able to marry.

While the three-judge panel stopped short of setting a specific minimum age for such marriages, it said they could be legal for girls at 12 and boys at 14 under English common law, which Colorado recognizes.

The ruling overturned a lower-court judge's decision that a girl, who is now older than 18, was too young to marry when she was 15. The panel said there was no clear legislative or statutory guidance on common-law marriages, and that Colorado courts have not determined an age of consent.

Colorado is one of 10 states, plus the District of Columbia, that recognize common-law marriage, which is based on English law dating back hundreds of years.

For traditional ceremonial marriage, Colorado law sets the minimum age at 18, or 16 with parental or judicial approval.

"It appears that Colorado has adopted the common-law age of consent for marriage as 14 for a male and 12 for a female, which existed under English common law," the ruling said. "Nevertheless, we need only hold here that a 15-year-old female may enter into a valid common-law marriage."

More HERE

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Pre-teen children getting married? Sure, that makes sense IN BIZARRO WORLD!

What the heck are these people thinking?

capt

What guy would WANT to marry a 15 year old? They're just kids for God's sake!

Pandemoniac # 38,

Turns out no one from the White House was involved in the leaking of Valerie Plame. Everyone already knew it. A leaking is an indictable offense. No indictments.

Come on, you should be able to do a lot better than that.

And, it turns out, Wilson was lying. Read all the independent commission reports. Or am I going to have to post them for you here and embarrass you all over again?

You folks must really be masochists. You just love being intellectually pummeled.

Sacrificing Our Troops on the Altar of Republican Politics

by
Larry C Johnson

"Leave it to the Porcine Draft Dodger Karl Rove to impugn the character of combat veterans. Can't blame him for trotting out the same playbook that worked so well in 2004 against the candidacy of John Kerry. If it worked once it should work again.

Of course I am referring to Karl's speech Tuesday night to Republicans in New Hampshire. According to a piece in Wednesday's Washington Post:

In a speech to New Hampshire Republican officials here Monday night, the White House deputy chief of staff attacked Democrats who have criticized the U.S. war effort in Iraq, such as Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.) and Rep. John P. Murtha (Pa.), who he said advocate "cutting and running."

"They may be with you for the first shots," Rove said of such opponents. "But they're not going . . . to be with you for the tough battles."

Karl is a shameless bastard. Small wonder his mother killed herself. Once she discovered what a despicable soul she had spawned she apparently saw no other way out. It would be one thing if his vile tactics were simply mere smears of politicians like Kerry and Murtha. They are big boys and should be able to defend themselves quite ably against this turd."

Remember, this is our one-party media's favorite expert on all things CIA and Wilson/Plame, the one who said in August 2001 there was no threat of terrorism.

The last time we heard from crazy Larry, he was vouching for Jason Leopold's scoop about Rove's indictment by citing his pal the unimpeachable Joe Wilson.

And someone is complaining of Ann Coulter?

The Dangerous Notions of Michael Berg
by Chris Floyd

...all Berg could talk about was mercy and forgiveness, peace and restoration. He would not even take pleasure in the death of Zarqawi, whom he called a "fellow human being." Instead, he grieved for Zarqawi's family and wished that the brutal killer could have been subjected to "restorative justice", made to work in a hospital with children maimed by war, for example, setting him on a path where his human decency might have been restored.

Nor would Berg praise the guardian of civilization, George W. Bush, for finally ending the career of the terrorist he had used so cynically to justify aggressive war. Instead, Berg blamed Bush for unleashing mass death on the people of Iraq, and instigating the cycle of violence that had consumed his son. But even for the authors of war, for the state terrorists who kill on an industrial scale, by remote control, ensconced in safety, comfort, privilege and wealth, Berg called for restoration, not revenge: they should be removed from power and compelled to some compassionate labor that might redeem their corrupted humanity.

It goes without saying that Berg's comments were instantly condemned throughout the vast engine of bile-driven groupthink known as the rightwing media. He was reviled as a traitor, a fool, a terrorist-lover, "less than human," a monster whose son will slap his face in the afterlife. He was derided for his quixotic Congressional campaign as the Green Party candidate for Delaware: what place do such weapons of the weak, mercy, forgiveness, non-violence, have in the halls of power? For the mainstream, he was just a blip, a quirky diversion in the flood of triumphant stories on Zarqawi's demise...
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No time for peace and mercy, there's a war on.
Floyd is one of my favorites.

Writer's Notebook

by Eric Margolis

This week, court proceedings in Canada will begin for 17 young Muslims arrested last week and charged with a dazzling series of plots and crimes, including, it seems, blowing up Parliament in Ottawa, kidnapping and beheading the prime minister, and bombing major public buildings in downtown Toronto. These nefarious plots were all hatched in the wide open on the internet, where police and spooks were watching. Rather than "Canada's 9/11," as it has been billed by the hysterical press, it all sounds like a bunch of amateurish, would-be Muslim Rambos who got carried away in on-line chat rooms with fantasy jive-talk, and were likely egged on by a police agent provocateur to order ammonium nitrate to make a bomb. The whole thing reeks to high heaven and was likely a piece of political theater designed to show know-nothing US Congressional Republicans, who have been screaming that Canada is a nest of al-Qaida terrorists, that concrete action is being taken. More to follow, stay tuned. In the remote 1950's, the big scare was "Reds Under Our Beds!" Today, it's "Muslims Under Our Mattresses!"

Zarqawi and Lesser-Evil Politics
by Joshua Frank

If you are looking for an alternative to the Bush agenda, you aren't going to find it inside the Beltway. While President Bush makes a covert slog around Iraq to tout the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and the other deadly performances of our armed forces, the Democrats back home are doing exactly the same.

Both the Republicans and Democrats would have us believe that Zarqawi was a brilliant terrorist mastermind, whose death comes as a giant setback to the resistance movement in Iraq. But if Nir Rosen, Robert Fisk, Patrick Cockburn and others are correct, Zarqawi's death will make little, if any, difference in the long run –†for all-out ethnic civil war is fast engulfing the battered land. The United States is being defeated and its occupational grip is weakening. Zarqawi's departure from the scene won't change that.

A few popular Democrats are calling for the exit of troops from Iraq, including past presidential disappointments John Kerry and Al Gore. Sen. Kerry wants to pull troops out of Iraq by year's end, which of course he's qualified by writing that only "troops essential to finishing the job" would remain. Such a bogus position won't end the war. Gore, however, will not even back Kerry's tepid plea.

"I would pursue the twin objectives of trying to withdraw our forces as quickly as we possibly can, while at the same time minimizing the risk that we'll make the mess over there even worse and raise even higher the danger of civil war," Gore recently told ABC News. "It's possible that setting a deadline could set in motion forces that would make it even worse. I think that we should analyze that very carefully. My guess is that a deadline is probably not the right approach."

As if the approach we are currently taking is making the situation any better. Iraq is becoming more bloody and chaotic by the day. The "war on terror" will carry on in its misguided and illegitimate direction as long as Democrats and Republicans continue to call the shots in Washington. The soft murmurs of dissent we are now hearing from a handful of Democrats amount to little more than a coordinated bluff. It's an election year, remember?

That is the reality the antiwar movement better grapple with if it wants to end this crazy war.
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Lying, spineless little cowards, UGH!

This is odd. I already knew about this project, but check out the source and author, isn't he one of the "swiftboat" jerks? Are they turning on bush?

Bush sneaking North American super-state without oversight? Mexico, Canada partnership underway with no authorization from Congress
Source: worldnetdaily.com
URL Source: http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50618
Published: Jun 15, 2006
Author: Jerome R. Corsi

Despite having no authorization from Congress, the Bush administration has launched extensive working-group activity to implement a trilateral agreement with Mexico and Canada.

The membership of the working groups has not been published, nor has their work product been disclosed, despite two years of massive effort within the executive branches of the U.S., Mexico and Canada.

The groups, working under the North American Free Trade Agreement office in the Department of Commerce, are to implement the Security and Prosperity Partnership, or SPP, signed by President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005.

The trilateral agreement, signed as a joint declaration not submitted to Congress for review, led to the creation of the SPP office within the Department of Commerce.

The SPP report to the heads of state of the U.S., Mexico and Canada, -- released June 27, 2005, -- lists some 20 different working groups spanning a wide variety of issues ranging from e-commerce, to aviation policy, to borders and immigration, involving the activity of multiple U.S. government agencies.

The working groups have produced a number of memorandums of understanding and trilateral declarations of agreement.
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Very weird.

Hellbound Train Lyrics Album: Hellbound Train Artist: Savoy Brown

Kim Simmonds/Andy Silvester Chrysalis Music Ltd.

Hellbound Train I'm on it's track Too late now to turn my back Conductor coming ticket in his hand Come to claim my soul Take me to his land

Hellbound Train I been so wrong Too late now I'm moving on Conductor standing watch in his hand Got to get aboard take you to his land

I'm going down the road on the Hellbound Train Take a long look lady 'cause you won't see me again Take a last look lady, yes hard and long 'Cause I'm going down the road on the Hellbound Train

Hellbound Train driving slow Move on down to the Hell below Conductor please won't you lend a hand? Got to get on board take me to your land

Yes I know I've been so wrong Too late now I'm moving on Hellbound Train I'm on it's track Moving down I can't look back

I'm going down the road on the Hellbound Train Take a long look lady 'cause you won't see me again Take a last look lady, yes hard and long 'Cause I'm going down the road on the Hellbound Train

I'm going down the road on the Hellbound Train Take a long look lady 'cause you won't see me again Take a last look lady, yes hard and long 'Cause I'm going down the road on the Hellbound Train

Lost and flying down the road on the Hellbound Train Lost and flying down the road on the Hellbound Train Hand and hand with the devil

Let's Impeach The President Lyrics Album : Living With War Artist : Neil Young

Let's impeach the President for lying And misleading our country into war. Abusing all the power that we gave him And shipping all our money out the door.

Who's the man who hired all the criminals The White House shadows who hide behind closed doors. They bend the facts to fit with their new stories Of why we have to send our men to war.

Let's impeach the President for spying On citizens inside their own homes. Breaking every law in the country By tapping our computers and telephones.

What if Al Qaeda blew up the levees Would New Orleans have been safer that way, Sheltered by our government's protection Or was someone just not home that day?

Flip - Flop

Flip - Flop

Flip - Flop

Flip - Flop

Let's impeach the president for hijacking Our religion and using it to get elected. Dividing our country into colors And still leaving black people neglected.

Thank god he's cracking down on steroids Since he sold his old baseball team. There's lots of people looking at big trouble But of course our president is clean.

Thank God

Music comes from the soul of one to soothe the souls of many and says in melody what the soul holds true.

In troubled times music provides the conduit for expression that mere words cannot express.

I can't believe that anyone would try to get away with the false accusations you make.
Also I can't waste time reading page after page of ?stuff. Can't you condence it and make your point in a straight forward way.

Correct Terminology

Off topic...but since the Dems and Repugs are hassling over bush's War of Choice in Iraq, it's useful to remind that bush committed an international crime when he attacked Iraq.

Also, the media, politicians, and people like us should refer to this action in the proper terms. We should not call it the Iraq War -- we should be referring to it as the U.S. Occupation of Iraq.

Aggression is the armed attack of one state on another, an egregious international crime. The definition of aggression as adopted by the UN in 1974 lists actions taken by one state against another that are viewed as acts of aggression. The list includes, among a number of other things, a first-strike armed attack by one state on the territory of another, or an attack on its armed forces.

"fact"checker:

A major difference between between the GOP brownshirt thugliars and the rest of us (the majority of Americans) :

When we hear some idiot spewing violent hatespeak, we don't line up behind him or her.

Larry, who ever the hell he is, clearly has the same multiple chromosome disorder that plagues Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin, and you.

Who is Larry Johnson anyway? I have never heard of him. But he sounds like your kind of pundit "fact"checker, just switch some of the words around.

"False accusations"? Like WMDS in Iraq? Could you be more specific? Or are you just going to make blanket assertions and then "cut and run".

It costs me 120 dollars to fill my gas tank! I guess the Republicans in congress have decided to "cut and run" from helping Americans with insane gas prices in favor of PR stunts designed to further weaken our divided nation during a time of war.

Wow, it is just amazing to see Karl calling veterans cowards. Pushing the envelope of hypocrisy.

Is it true that Valerie Wilson was working on WMDs and Iran? Is it also true that the entire network was destroyed just so they could attack Wilson?

These guys always put their own ambitions ahead of the needs of the American people, just like they are doing in congress right noww.

Repulsive Overtly Vile Entity

Corky,

Larry Johnson is the hero of most of the posters to this net. And I agree with everything you say about him.

Nice hearing from you again. Thought maybe you had gone to the nuthouse or something.

Glad to know you can make a cogent argument without engaging in potty mouth retorts like "chromosome disorder".

No, wait - you did engage in infantile speech.

Something more stimulating:

Vietnam, Watergate and Rove
Left-wing nostalgia dies hard, but can it survive the events of this week?

BY MICHAEL BARONE
Friday, June 16, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

It has been a tough 10 days for those who see current events through the prisms of Vietnam and Watergate. First...in the California 50th District special election....the Democratic nominee got 45% of the vote, just 1% more than John Kerry did in the district in 2004.

Second, U.S....killed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, on the same day that Iraqis finished forming a government....

Third,...Fitzgerald...would not seek an indictment of Karl Rove.....

It is hard in retrospect to understand why the left put so much psychic energy into the notion that Mr. Rove would be indicted.....it was clear early on that the likelihood that Mr. Rove violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act was near zero. Under the law, the agent whose name was disclosed would have had to have served overseas within the preceding five years (Valerie Plame, according to her husband's book, had been stationed in the U.S. since 1997), and Mr. Rove would have had to know that she was undercover (not very likely). The left enjoyed raising an issue on which, for once, it could charge that a Republican administration had undermined national security. But that rang hollow when the left gleefully seized on the New York Times' disclosure of NSA surveillance of phone calls from suspected al Qaeda operatives abroad to persons in the U.S.

In all this a key role was played by the press....Eager to bring down another Republican administration....America's newsrooms are populated largely by liberals who regard the Vietnam and Watergate stories as the great achievements of their profession. The peak of their ambition is to achieve the fame and wealth of great reporters like David Halberstam and Bob Woodward.....

...Historians may regard it as a curious thing that the left and the press have been so determined to fit current events into templates based on events that occurred 30 to 40 years ago. The people who effectively framed the issues raised by Vietnam and Watergate did something like the opposite; they insisted that Vietnam was not a reprise of World War II or Korea and that Watergate was something different from the operations J. Edgar Hoover conducted for Franklin Roosevelt or John Kennedy. Journalists in the 1940s, '50s and early '60s tended to believe they had a duty to buttress Americans' faith in their leaders and their government. Journalists since Vietnam and Watergate have tended to believe that they have a duty to undermine such faith, especially when the wrong party is in office.

That belief has its perils for journalism....the peril that it will get the story wrong. The visible slavering over the prospect of a Rove indictment is....reasons why the credibility of the "mainstream media" has been plunging. There's also a peril for the political left. Vietnam and Watergate were arguably triumphs for honest reporting. But they were also defeats for America--and for millions of freedom-loving people in the world....Is there any hope that it might turn out to be the last?

Mr. Barone is a senior writer at U.S. News & World Report.

About #37: "The difference between an optimist and a pessimist is that the pessimist is better informed."

About #41: Pande--speaking as one of the "pummelled" ones, would you say you were hit with Wiffle balls or marshmallows?

I REALLY need to get some sleep before resuming NaCl mining, K to the I to the Dee-Shar

BREAKING NEWS!!!!BREAKING NEWS!!!!

House passes bullshit resolution!!!

Whats next for our fearless leaders? More tax breaks for the rich? How about a resolution entitled "No bid contracts are lots of fun"?
Maybe they could deal with that pesky human-animal chimera problems that keep me up at night?
I suppose they could give themselves another pay raise! Maybe they could get to work on making the federal government even more gigantic and oppressive then it already is? Or is it time for them to interfere with states rights again and poke into someones private life like they did with Terry Schaivo? It might be time for a congressional resolution defining proper bedroom behaviour for Americans? Only thier master Karl Rove knows for sure!

"Liberal want to limit your freedom and create with a big federal government!"
Talking point #3894

Who are these "liberals" I keep hearing about? They seem to agree with the Bush administrations efforts to create a massive and draconian federal government. Those "liberals" probably want to tap your phone and read your library records too!

"Unless government is limited, man is not free. As government expands, liberty contracts."
Ronald Reagan, a real conservative

Take heart, my friends. After all, the longer the evil ones and their dupes succeed (succeed in earthly terms, that is--we'll leave the next life out of this) the sweeter it is when Lady Nemesis catches up to them at last. Remember, they have to win today. And tomorrow. And the next day. And the next...They are only human. Eventually, they will falter, and we will witness the Hounds of Karma feasting on their corpulent flesh. (Hmmm...the Hounds of Karma would be a great name for a Buddhist heavy-metal band.)--K to the I to the Dee-Shar

"Mean liberal want to raise taxes."
Talking point #2543

Bush's tax reform saved me 9 dollars a year! Less than 3 gallons of gas!

Great to see Happy is still pasting op ed stories from GOP shills! Nothing changes.

Is the current version of "corky" a New, Improved, Revamped version of the old "Corky" (with a capital C, as I recalled)?

What did you do? Get a new machine & IP address? or Are you blogging away from home? Did your mom Tichaba give you permission? By the way, where is she?

Writing is NOT among my strongest suits (less than 600 on SAT) and there are many fine writers who are far more succinct in conveying stuff!

"Before "The Investigation", who initiated the whole Niger bruhaha? Answer: Spouse of the one now with a big, fat book deal! Ever heard of tit-for-tat......"

If the White House hadn't been so negligent in covering their tracks when lying the US into a war, the former embassador wouldn't have had to embarrass them. Heard of tit-for-tat?

They knew all along that the Niger story was bullshit.

Le Douchebag d'Liberte Novak was the instigator of the whole legal imbroglio. If Novak hadn't published Plame's name, the whole thing would have evaporated with all the other rightwing talking points.

Novak Admits that he was warned by the CIA not to publish her name and that it would hamper her work at the CIA.

According to former CIA spokesman Bill Harlow:
"Harlow, the former CIA spokesman, said in an interview yesterday that he testified last year before a grand jury about conversations he had with Novak at least three days before the column was published. He said he warned Novak, in the strongest terms he was permitted to use without revealing classified information, that Wilson's wife had not authorized the mission and that if he did write about it, her name should not be revealed."

"Harlow said that after Novak's call, he checked Plame's status and confirmed that she was an undercover operative. He said he called Novak back to repeat that the story Novak had related to him was wrong and that Plame's name should not be used. But he did not tell Novak directly that she was undercover because that was classified."

"In a column published Oct. 1, 2003, Novak wrote that the CIA official he spoke to "asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause 'difficulties' if she travels abroad."

"Those claiming Ms. Plame to be "undercover", ought to back that up.....Inquiring minds wants to weigh evidence of her UNDERCOVER-NESS."
Posted by: Hapless having another senior moment at June 16, 2006 12:04 AM

Mr. Prosecutor affirmed Plame's covert status:
FITZGERALD: Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community.

Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life.

The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well- known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security.

Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003.

Legal implications and commentary here.

More fact-free nonsense from Factless:
"Turns out no one from the White House was involved in the leaking of Valerie Plame. Everyone already knew it. A leaking is an indictable offense. No indictments."

As Mr. Prosecutor pointed out, your talking points need an update. No indictment means no indictment. Mr. Libby has already admitted that Mr. Cheney authorized the whole gig. You do know that Mr. Cheney is considered part of the White House mafia, don't you? Obviously, they were "involved."

And, it turns out, Wilson was lying. Read all the independent commission reports. Or am I going to have to post them for you here and embarrass you all over again?"
Posted by: factless at June 16, 2006 09:23 AM

Heh, Factless made an unintentional funny. "again?" Try doing it at least once. BTW, any more information on that mighty wall that Gorelick created between the FBI and CIA? LOL. Wilson lied? Please post those talking points in more detail so that I may shred them for you.

The only thing that Wilson lied about was that he had seen the Niger documents and knew them to be forgeries. Turns out he was right about that too. Is that at the bottom of the whole deal? He was right and they were wrong? Perhaps being so pathetically misguided is a sad state of existence for you; but as Hapless might say, look on the bright side: I'm here to straighten you out.

"Liberal want to take your freedom away."
Talking point #2198

So are those "liberals" somehow responsible for all of the rights I have lost in the last six years? For instance:

The right to sue a doctor for leaving surgical instruments in my body.

The right to sue pharmacuetical companies for marketing dangerous medication.

The right to have my elected representatives pass laws without a president trying to rewrite them with "signing statements".

The right to own a house without a giant corporation forcing me out so they can build a strip mall.

The right to vote and have that vote actually counted.

The right to Google in privacy.

The right to not have Attorney General Gonzalez read my library records.

The right to due process and probable cause before the government breaks into my home.

The right declare bancruptcy when I am swamped by medical bills for 300 dollar band aids.

The right blow the whistle on illegal activities by my employer.

The right to a fair judicial system that serves justice regardless of wealth. (Ken Lay will never see the inside of a jail cell).

The right to a clean environment.

These "liberals" seem to have a lot of control over the freedom luvin Republicans in our government!

Happy,

Do I know you? I doubt it, since I usually try to avoid people bent on destroying my country.

Any shills wanna address "Liberals want big federal government" talking point?

No? Cut and run to a distaction or engage in personal attack.

450 billion dollar budget defict. Biggest federal government in our history despite a GOP lock on our government. I am confused?

Happy please explain this to me?

AP reports:

NEW YORK As firefighters searched for survivors after the Sept. 11 attacks, heat from the World Trade Center's smoldering ruins burned the soles off their boots. They needed new ones every few hours, and Chris Christopherson made sure they got them.

The disaster specialist was proud to dispatch replacement boots from the Long Island warehouse of a company paid by the government to manage rescue supplies donated by Americans. Then came the moment that crushed Christopherson's faith.

His employer dispatched trucks to the warehouse and loaded hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of donated bottled water, clothes, tools and generators to be moved to Minnesota in a plot to sell some for profit, according to government records and interviews.

Dan L'Allier said he witnessed 45 tons of the New York loot being unloaded in Minnesota at his company's headquarters. He and Christopherson complained to a company executive, but were ordered to keep quiet. They persisted, going instead to the FBI.

The two whistleblowers eventually lost their jobs, received death threats and were blackballed in the disaster relief industry. But they remained convinced their sacrifice was worth seeing justice done.

They were wrong.

Just now we are hearing this?

Read more here.

Happy???

Why are the Republicans letting the those "liberals" build a monstrous federal government that restricts my freedom? Why did those "liberals" wake Bush up in the middle of the night to sign "Terry's Law" and interfere with Florida's due process? How can we stop the "liberals" if the Republicans can't stand up to them, even when they have all three branches of government?

Happy, I am so confused! Help me to understand!

Joe #35,

Of course it would help our side's position on Ann Coulter if liberals in panel discussions wouldn't allow partisans like Tony Blankley equate Coulter with Al Franken and Michael Moore without reply as David did on the Diame Rehm Show last week.

As congress resolutions, Nort Korean wacko prepares for long range missle test.

Does Iraq have any nuclear missles? Please help me understand, Happy! Are those "liberals" trying to "cut and run" from North Korea too?

Happy?!?

Glad to know you can make a cogent argument without engaging in potty mouth retorts like "chromosome disorder". No, wait - you did engage in infantile speech.
Posted by: factchecker at June 16, 2006 11:41 AM

I've never heard an infant say 'chromosome disorder'

I agree totally. Liberals have nothing to be ashamed of and Ann Coulter couldn't hold a candle to Al Franken or Michael Moore when it comes to talent and ability.