"...The President says we need to know who al Qaeda is calling in America."

I'd think the Langely and Foggy Bottom phone prefixes would sorta, y'know, tell 'im what he's (not really) asking to know!

-T

Mr. David Corn,

Of course no public oversight but there must be oversight and that is the question yet to be resolved.

What can we do with the unitary president "asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution."

If he does not like the oversight he will not allow it. Then what?

Thanks for all of your work!

Kirk

Maybe the effort would be better spent tapping the phones in the mountains of Pakistan? Maybe we could find OBL?

capt

...but seriously...

This obviously goes WAAAY beyond the establishment's attempts to understand "patterns" that MIGHT lead to interception of "Terrorist Communication". Disposable cell phones and one-use numbers are availible all over the world for a VERY cheap investment.

The White-House Staff are reportedly buying Wal-Mart cheapies by the truckload, since there's hardly a pay-phone to be found in the district, anymore.

How can any intelligent American believe ANYTHING that comes from this misAdministration? It doesn't tak a "Brilliant Mind" like John Nash's to see the pattern of propaganda, pervarication and outright LIES being "catapulted" from the Offal Orafice. Even a math idiot like me knows the "Known Unknowns"!

-T

capt, I thought he was in Iran planning another attack against America? They have plenty of suicidal Arabs and boxcutters to use in their efforts to undermine our freedoms. But if he has been paying attention he will know that his last effort pretty much destroyed any freedoms we had, he can retire in Bora Bora now.

David, this endless yammering about phone calls to Al-CIAda accomplish only one thing, and this is it;

US spells out plan to bomb Iran

IAN BRUCE, Defence Correspondent

THE US is updating contingency plans for a non-nuclear strike to cripple Iran's atomic weapon programme if international diplomacy fails, Pentagon sources have confirmed.

Strategists are understood to have presented two options for pinpoint strikes using B2 bombers flying directly from bases in Missouri, Guam in the Pacific and Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.

RAF Fairford in Gloucester also has facilities for B2s but this has been ruled out because of the UK's opposition to military action against Tehran.

The main plan calls for a rolling, five-day bombing campaign against 400 key targets in Iran, including 24 nuclear-related sites, 14 military airfields and radar installations, and Revolutionary Guard headquarters.
At least 75 targets in underground complexes would be attacked with waves of bunker-buster bombs.

Iranian radar networks and air defence bases would be struck by submarine-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles and then kept out of action by carrier aircraft flying from warships in the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf.

The alternative to an all-out campaign is a demonstration strike against one or two high-profile targets such as the Natanz uranium enrichment facility or the hexafluoride gas plant at Isfahan.

UK sources say contingency plans have also been drawn up to cope with the inevitable backlash against the Basra garrison in neighbouring Iraq.
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Every politician that keeps promoting that stupid lie is enabling bush to bomb anyone he wants.

Unfortunately, NSA and other agencies under the bush regime have shown us that they do not believe that they are bound by any law other than bush's say-so.

Soooooooo, they will continue to systematically deceive the public, leaking selectively and "assuring" American citizens that what they are doing is legal and in their best interests.

And.......Michael Hayden will be confirmed to head the CIA. And, this shit will continue even though bush's approval ratings are in the toilet, he has little, if any, support, he's the lamest of lame ducks, he's a total failure as a "leader," and polls show that the country is on the wrong track.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

I can't wait for Hayden to tell the committee, "I have told you ALL that I am going to tell you, so SHUT UP!"

And, the masses will cheer! They will be protected! They will praise Hayden's strength! They will feel so safe!

Wheres a good hacker when you need one? Hacking into the NSA database and Checkpoint to format their database would shut them up for a while. Any volunteers?

"WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?"

Every-effin-thing!

capt

How about this?

WRH

Bush Predicts Election Victory for Republicans
President Bush is predicting victory for Republicans in November congressional elections based on a record of promoting freedom and opportunity at home and abroad.
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Congress has a lower approval rating than bush, yet he thinks they will maintain power? I wonder, could Diebold have anything to do with this prediction? As for promoting freedom, could he have made a more idiotic statement?

Just for the sake of possibilities:

What are we going to do when the neocon land-slide defies every poll?

What do we do when they say "sour grapes" and such?

As a neocon super-majority is sworn in. I think the only things that might prevent them from being so obvious are the DINO's already in concert with the neocons.

I hope I am wrong but look at the fence vote? 86 - 14? Has there been more than 30 that actually oppose this WH?

capt

Fascism marches on without resistance. We have asked, "cant the government do something?" one too many times. Now they are doing something.

Hayden is a step in the wrong direction for the country but the right direction for the promotion of fascist policy, and that is really what they are after.

Citizens of the US, prepare to be assimilated, resistance is futile.

Frist has publicly stated that the "program is voluntary."

what, does that mean that they are volunteering to spy on american phone records? or that the people have volunteered to allow them to spy on american phone records?
i volunteer for them to kiss my ass!

wait, i guess it's possible that there are al qaedas hiding in my neighbor's garage. indeed, there could be sneaky near-invisible al qaedas all around me at any given moment! how would i ever know unless they are allowed to volunteer for the harrowing duty of monitoring my phone records?
oh dilemma! do i give up a measure of freedom in order to gain a measure of security? oh what would the founding fathers do?
help me benedict arnold, you're my only hope!

MEANWHILE, BACK IN THE BAT CAVE

GETTING SO MUCH BETTER
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Four Multi-National Division - Baghdad soldiers and an Iraqi interpreter died on Thursday "when a roadside bomb struck their vehicle northwest of Baghdad," the military said.

The names of the soldiers were being withheld pending notification of next of kin.

The bombing came amid reports Thursday of violence that resulted in the deaths of 26 people, including a U.S. sailor, Iraqi police, civilians and insurgents.

The reports included:

A U.S. sailor was killed in Iraq's Anbar province Wednesday "due to enemy action," a military statement said. The sailor was deployed with the Marines' Regimental Combat Team 5. Since the start of the war, there have been 2,443 U.S. military fatalities in Iraq. Seven American civilian contractors of the military also have died in the conflict.

On a road between Ramadi and Falluja, west of Baghdad, gunmen kidnapped 15 Iraqi Olympic Tae Kwon Do players who were riding a bus back from Jordan where they had been on vacation, an official with the Iraqi Olympic Committee said.

A mortar round struck an open market in Baghdad's Dora neighborhood, killing four guards and wounding another, Baghdad police said.

Insurgents blew up the small Sharhabil Bin Hasna shrine, used by Sunnis and Shiites in the town of Kanan, near Baquba north of Baghdad, police said. No one was hurt, but the shrine was heavily damaged, police said.

A car bomb targeting a patrol of Iraqi police commandos along a busy road in Baghdad's Waziriya neighborhood killed seven people and wounded four others, police said. Two of the wounded were commandos. Officials responding on the scene found bodies charred inside a vehicle.

Gunmen killed six car mechanics who were driving to work in Baghdad, police said. The mechanics were all related to each other.
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Have to admit, it's getting better?

-T

I'm going to the dump...maybe I can find a disgarded "honest" politician there...Clean 'em up and re-use them...don't mind that funky smell, a little Fabreeze goes a long way...

-T

Senator Levin is really digging about the analysis of Douglas Feith's office. Levin is really doing a great job. Hayden has just said that he disagreed with the analysis of Feiths office about WMD's in Iraq, in fact wrote up a disclaimer about the analysis. This is at C-span 3

No joke: Bush declares 'day of prayer for permanent peace'

Irony alert: Bush asks people to pray for peace

From our you've-gotta-be-kidding-me file, George W. Bush on Tuesday issued a formal presidential proclamation designating May 29 -- Memorial Day -- as "a day of prayer for permanent peace."

"Those who lost their lives in the defense of freedom helped protect our citizens and lay the foundation of peace for people everywhere," reads the proclamation, signed by Bush on May 16. "On Memorial Day, a grateful Nation pays tribute to their personal courage, love of country, and dedication to duty."

In conjunction with a joint resolution of Congress issued in 1950 that compels the president to issue such a proclamation each year, Bush designated "…the hour beginning in each locality at 11:00 a.m. of that day as a time to unite in prayer." The proclamation also requests that all Americans observe a National Moment of Remembrance on Memorial Day at 3:00 PM local time.

As a Veteran, I observe Memorial Day in a private and personal way and, while I understand Bush's responsibility for issuing this proclamation, I don’t think it's any secret why this received almost zero mention in the media. Nobody wants to breach the dignity of Memorial Day and George W. Bush declaring any day a time to wish for peace is just dripping with too much sick irony to acknowledge.

Isn’t this just a bit like Charles Manson declaring a mental-health day or Rush Limbaugh proclaiming a certain date as a time to renounce recreational Oxycontin? How seriously are we suppose to take a pray-for-peace proclamation from a man who lied us into a pointless war and who has the blood of tens of thousands of human beings on his hands?

More HERE

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It is not even funny anymore - make it stop.

capt

Do other nations have access to the NSA wiretaping program? Which nations?

After 9/11 Fox New reporter Carl Cameron put together a four part series on several Israeli based communication companies (Amdocs and Inverse Insofy) that "allegedly" has access to massive amounts of U.s. citizens phone records and are indeed data mining. JINSA (Jewish INstitute nor National Security Agency) and CAMERA (a media watch group connected to JINSA and AIPAC) pressured Fox news to take this four part series off air and off of their website. This four part series is at the INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE website.

So the program is classified.

Who gave any of these treasonous bastards the right to discard the constitution. Hey Elmer Fudd looking dude - DEFEND IT OR GO F**K YOURSELF!

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I fail to see any clandestine rights reserved to the president.

Trying to get CodePink ,Global Exchange, and a few other groups to set up a nationwide visual celebration when Karl croaks. I mentioned a candle light visual nationwide (not very original). Anyone have any other ideas?

How about a group of leap frog nationwide as a celebration?

Posted by: kathleen at May 18, 2006 09:34 AM

LEAP FROG NATIONWIDE FOR JUSTICE WHEN KARL IS INDICTED

Capt made the suggesstion of people nationwide going to their windows and shouting out their windows the line from NETWORK "I'm mad as hell and I am not going to take this anymore"

Any other suggesstions for a NATIONWIDE CELEBRATION A "LEAP" FOR JUSTICE WHEN KARL IS INDICTED?

The 9/11 Story That Got Away

In 2001, an anonymous White House source leaked top-secret NSA intelligence to reporter Judith Miller that Al Qaida was planning a major attack on the United States. But the story never made it into the paper.

Now, in an exclusive interview, Miller reveals how the attack on the Cole spurred her reporting on Al Qaida and led her, in July 2001, to a still-anonymous top-level White House source, who shared top-secret NSA signals intelligence (SIGINT) concerning an even bigger impending Al Qaida attack, perhaps to be visited on the continental United States.

Ultimately, Miller never wrote that story either. But two months later -- on Sept. 11 -- Miller and her editor at the Times, Stephen Engelberg, both remembered and regretted the story they "didn't do."

More HERE

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Seems to me the NSA could not leak something they did not know about. Oh, I get it, nevermind.

capt

Senator Dewine (the wimp) is trying to lay the blame for false pre-war intelligence on the CIA..FROGSHIT!

DEWINE WILL LOSE THIS FALL IN OHIO UNLESS HE STEALS THE ELECTION.

The FBI called me this morning.

They are trying for the 992nd time to dig up Jimmy Hoffa and might need some tents. I told them the price.

They'll get back to me.

I told the guy that two weeks after Hoffa disappeared that the business agent from the Teamsters Local that was involved in his being missing was selling hamburger out of the trunk of his car. Too true.

Every business agent for that local, after my grandfather quit and his replacement had his house bombed, went to prison.

God Bless Hoffa just the same. While I don't condone the internal arm and leg breaking, the unions did grow for the benefit of those who work for a living.

#18 One more similarity between bush and Hitler?

Soldiers of the vermacht wore belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us).

Hitler once said (paraphrasing), "We have to defend peace."

Racism Warning Has German Hackles Raised

On Wednesday, a former government spokesman said black visitors to Germany should be careful where they go in the country. His remarks have drawn criticism -- and support.

It doesn't take much to try Germany's patience in the weeks leading up to the World Cup soccer championships. Nerves are especially raw when it comes to comments and incidents that cast doubt on the country's hospitality and its openness to the millions of international guests expected to descend on the country in June. On Wednesday and Thursday, that sensitivity was laid bare for all to see.

A former government spokesman on Wednesday suggested that dark-skinned visitors to Germany should consider avoiding the eastern part of the country where racism runs high. "There are small and medium-sized towns in Brandenburg, as well as elsewhere, which I would advise a visitor of another skin colour to avoid going to," said Uwe-Karsten Heye, who now leads an anti-racism organization called "Show Your Color." "It is possible he wouldn't get out alive."

More HERE

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First, I would take the warning seriously. Second, I would warn a friend of color about some small towns in the southeast (USA). Some of the cities are bad too. What a terrible commentary on race relations. We have to do much better.

capt

Capt. I too find no humor in the day of prayer for permanent peace. With the biggest stick on the block, any leader who fails at diplomacy should be hung out to dry at once. Any that refuse to try should be hung.

The fact that Miller's source was in the White House is further proof that if the gang didn't plan 911, their excuse of faulty intelligence has been a sham. If every agency had reported the same thing to DIck, Condi and George it still would have been ignored.

Rove is going out shooting. The whole pentagon/plane issue this week is a ruse. If a plane hit the pentagon the evidence would be clear and available, not this bullshit video and the usual foxnet suspects pumping hot air into our heads about how this is absolute proof.

I would say they are onto the fact that more people refuse to buy the official version.

When I find a sceptic I take him/her outside and point at a garage door and tell them 'If you can figure out how to make a 757 disappear into that space without a trace I'l change my mind. Don't forget that the wings have to follow it in, there are six 3ft thick concrete and steel walls and it has to evaporate once inside.'

Is Congress aiding and abetting the creation of a police state? Recently, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., helped to give the CIA and NSA unprecedented police powers. By inserting a provision in the FY07 Intelligence Authorization Act, Hoekstra has undermined the existing statutory limits on involvement in domestic law enforcement. This comes after revelations in January of direct NSA involvement with the Baltimore police in order to "protect" the NSA Headquarters from Quaker protesters

From page 63 of "Rebuilding Americas Defenses" PNAC:

"Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and
industrial policy will shape the pace and
content of transformation as much as the
requirements of current missions."

capt

Good old Pete is funded by DeVos, the unchallenged Republican candidate for Michigan Governor.

He has promised everyone a job. He fails to say that they have to sign up as a rep for Amway.

Grand Rapids needs to be name Grand Vapids for its conservative republicans. Since Ford was annointed president (payback for being on the Warren Commission) they think for the rest of us.

Last month I proposed hanging the top seven traitors to the constitution, but I think it may take more than that.

Capt #3

[Maybe the effort would be better spent tapping the phones in the mountains of Pakistan? Maybe we could find OBL?]

Ted Rall discusses this point in his weekly column (www.tedrall.com). The main satellite telecom provider throughout the Mideast and SE Asia is Thuraya. If Bushco was serious about finding OBL and other Islamic terrorists, Thuraya would be a good place t ostart.

Ted also makes the point that Al Qaida members aren't likely to communicate openly on phone calls, so the NSA plan wouldn't help us catch terrorists even if it could be deployed properly. Personally, I doubt that any gov't agency could develop a sophisticated data-mining system. Until a couple of years ago, FBI agents didn't even have email capability.

One other point, capt: OBL isn't in the mountains of Pakistan. He's in a city somewhere, probably in Kashmir. If he was in a rural area, local people would know about it and eventually someone would talk. OBL can hang out in a big-city apartment indefinitely and even his next-door neighbors would never notice.

Eggman, if he wanted to hide from our intelligence he should drive around in a van with his name on the outside.

That was my effort at a tongue in cheek post, I guess it ended up more cheeky!

I doubt, if alive, he is in any of the spots they mention. A private island or who knows?

He is working as a terrorist consultant in Islamabad! Advertises in the yellow book!

capt

At national Review
Republicans Out of Gas
Keeps getting worse.
By Jerry Taylor & Peter Van Doren

It's increasingly clear that Republican politicians have zero interest in knowing anything about which they speak and no commitment to any principle beyond that of getting elected. The high-voltage debate about gasoline prices makes that point in spades. Consider a talk on energy policy given the other day by Rep. Jack Kingston (R., Ga.). The congressman was invited by the Media Research Center to provide his thoughts on the media's coverage of the recent gasoline-price spiral. Rather than do that, however, Kingston used his time to pitch his bill—àR 4409—°nd to ruminate on how we got into this mess.

Now, Jack Kingston is thought of as a pretty conservative guy as far as these things go. He was a member of the Republican class of 1994 and is currently vice chairman of the House Republican Conference. The MRC—° long-standing member of the Washington conservative establishment—∑as sure that they were getting one of the most free market guys on the Hill to talk some sense to the press.

He shaved his beard and he plays for the Pakistani National Basketball Team. In plain sight.

A Good Laugh:
5/18/2006

Jay Leno: җell, President Bush talked to the nation tonight in a primetime address earlier this evening. Which is a refreshing change, Americans listening to the President as opposed to the President listening to Americans.ӊ
Jay Leno: ҉n his speech, he outlined a plan to start patrolling the US/Mexican border using members of the National Guard. He said that this will give us the most secure border in the world. One weekend a month and two full weeks each summer.ӊ
Jay Leno: ҁs you know, this will replace our old method of border security, the honor system.ӊ
Jay Leno: ҈e also said if the guards meet with any resistance, they have orders to shoot on the spot any Wal-Mart executives that interfere.ӊ
Jay Leno: ҏn Thursday, the President will follow up his speech by going to the Arizona border, which will be historic. It will be the first time he's ever actually showed up with a National Guard unit.ӊ
Jay Leno: ҁccording to the latest Harris Poll, President Bush's approval rating now at 29%. In fact, it is so bad, yesterday on Mother's Day, Barbara Bush refused to take his call.ӊ
Jay Leno: ғee, here's the part I don't understand. The day before, his approval rating was 31%. Now, it's 29%. What happened overnight? People don't like the way he slept?ӊ
Jay Leno: ҁnd since when is 29% considered an approval rating? Isn't that more of a disapproval rating?ӊ
Jay Leno: ҍaybe he should at some point just stop doing the job all together and see if it goes up.ӊ
Jay Leno: ҙou know what phone number you dial to reach the NSA? Any number at all. They're right there. You pick up, they're right on the line.ӊ
Jay Leno: Ҕhe government now has this secret program to track every single phone call being made in the United States. So guys, next time you dial something like 1-800-hot girls, that heavy breathing you hear on the line could be Dick Cheney.ӊ
Jay Leno: ҉n fact, earlier tonight, President Bush announced a new program that combines the NSA and illegal aliens in a guest listener program.ӊ
Jay Leno: Ґresident Bush said the only reason they're listening to our phone calls is for security reasons. Okay, okay. Let's say it is security, well, what if the Amish are planning something, huh?ӊ
Jay Leno: The price of gas was so high, Ҕoday, Congressman Patrick Kennedy walked into a concrete barrier.ӊ
Jay Leno: ҁ very scary moment for Senator Ted Kennedy. He's flying back to Boston after giving a commencement speech at a college, when his eight-seater airplane is struck by lightning. He's fine, but the lightning hit the plane so hard, it spilled all 15 of his drinks, bam.ӊ
Jay Leno: ҎBC aired their last episode of Ԕhe West Wing.ՠԔhe West Wing is over. Yeah, last night. Well, we're not worried. See, we have another show I think is much closer to the real president. ԍy Name is Earl.Փ

David Letterman: Ҍast night was the season finale of ԗest Wing.ՠItճ gone, did you realize that, that's it for ԗest Wing,ՠand ABC has cancelled ԃommander in Chief,ՠso now the only fictional president is Bush.ӊ
David Letterman: Ґresident Bush addressed the United States about immigration. And this is odd, during the speech he laid out his proposal and then he tried to hold his breath for nine minutes.ӊ
David Letterman: Ґresident Bush is sending National Guard members to the Mexican border. I'm telling you, between Iraq and the Mexican border, the National Guard is stretched tighter than Joan Rivers' face.ӊ

He plays in the Kabul Civic Light Opera! (OBL that is)

Mullah Omar and OBL are touring - doing a Martin and Lewis type of act.

Hayden says eavesdropping program is legal

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Gen. Michael Hayden, U.S. President George W. Bush's nominee for CIA director, strongly defended a domestic eavesdropping program on Thursday, saying it was vital to protect the country against terrorism and did not violate Americans' civil rights.

Facing friendly questions from Missouri Republican Sen. Kit Bond about his role as architect of Bush's domestic spying program, Hayden said it was narrowly targeted to suspected terrorists, closely supervised and regularly reviewed.

"We have a very strong oversight regime," Hayden said. "Targeting decisions are made by people in the U.S. government most knowledgeable about al Qaeda, al Qaeda communications, tactics and procedures.

"There is a probable cause standard. Every targeting is documented," he said. "No one has said there has been a targeting decision made that hasn't been well-founded."

Under the eavesdropping program, the National Security Agency monitors telephone calls and e-mails originating abroad to or from suspected terrorists without first obtaining a court order.

More HERE

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Okay, he should not get the nod. Period. The opposition cannot acquiesce to another completely delusional Bushbot. Time for the Democrats to stand up and be counted.

Sooner or later someone needs to stand up to these insane slugs.

capt

Vvee ar zee SS, vvee moost vatch yoo! Zee Luftwaffe Zankyoo.

Kathleen, thanks for the funnies. Did you see the Daily Show the other day? Showed the border with Mexico and then put an X-Y chart to it - Bush's approval ratings.

So Mr. General Elmer Fudd Hayden, it must have been a mistake that you captured 47,342 phone calls from me over the past five years since you had no warrant and did not target me. None the less, as I am in your Data Base provided by AT&T, and you know my address, please send a check for $1,000 per incident to that address. Oh yes, and I'll also accept a public apology, which you may classify later.

And, hang that traitorous bastard with the rest!

http://theopinionmill.com/Takeaswing.html

No clip would do it justice.

A good little ditty!

capt

Electronic Voting Machine Horrors

Even in My Hometown...

Hit the road George!

I smell a Clintonesque definition of "suspected Al Quaeda members" slowly rising from the overall stench of the Bush presidency. Also, expect quite radical and biased interpretations of what constitutes suspicious phone activity when the NSA patriots leak more about the Bush domestic spying program.

On a lighter note: Mr. Corn, do not attempt to contact, your phone/e-mail records are listed on the karl rove daily briefing.

overhead shot

Good picture taken after the towers fell that shows for sure it didn't fall in it's on 'footprints', and not in short easy to haul off pieces.

Taking my Mom to the doctor, so I'll catch the comments later.

Rove Indictment and Jason Leopold

In the bewildering situation touched off by Jason Leopold's article asserting that Karl Rove had been indicted on multiple counts in the CIA Leak-Gate scandal, I wrote an article on Monday expressing support for Leopold. I was criticized by the Right for suggesting a conspiracy theory, and criticized by the Left for having the temerity to suggest that Leopold may in any way have gotten it wrong, even if by being fed disinformation.

It is now 12:39pm on May 17, five days after the publication of Leopold's article on Truthout. I spoke a few moments ago with William Rivers Pitt who reassured me both that he and Jason were not offended by my Monday article and that they stick by their assertions 100%. I can not tell the entire contents of the conversation as much of it was off the record, but as a result of it, I am going to hold off further speculation until the end of the day on Friday, May 19, or until, how shall I put it, events obviously dictate otherwise. I thank my readers for being patient until then.

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This has to be Fitzmas eve! We will know tomorrow.

Anybody have a wish list working yet?

I wish the president did not have the power to pardon. I think he will use it around Christmas time.

Like Oly North these guys believe lying is patriotic if it is for a cause they in which they really believe. UGH!

The indictments will proudly be included on their respective resumes no doubt. They will be rewarded handsomely for their loyalty to their cause. Double UGH!

capt

#45 I dunno Hajji...could it be that the guy's wife lied to him!

From the complaint: “I also only received one vote and I know my wife and myself both voted for me. I know that there’s something fraudulent that needs to be investigated.”

underhand shot

indeed. and here's a shot from below that shows how an aluminum flight175 (that doesn't even conform to an actual 767!) slides like a ghost thru the side of wtc2. observe how none of the aluminum "plane" breaks off into easy to haul pieces either.

#209 Saladin, from the previous blog! The carnage that our country is guilty of is positively mind boggling. Your sentence says it all!

#18 capt, Bush asks people to pray for peace while he still plans to nuke Iran. Bush is a hypocrite.

Israeli officials will meet with Bush. If Israel wants to nuke Iran, they should do it without the USA cooperation. The sins of their fathers will be on the heads of their children. Stupid Bush will instead nuke Iran.

#25 micki, Bushitler learned his lessons well from his grandfather.

#30 geof01, Amway and DeVos are a pyramid scheme.

#45 Hajji, the electronic voting machines solidify a repugnant landslide in 2006, 2008, 2010, and forever after.

DEN -- The spies have spotted a suspect using the handle Den @ Attywood. Is that you disguising yourself in upper/lowercase trying to throw them off your trail?

I'm not sure who has less credibility anymore: Judith Miller, the NYT, or the Bush administration.

Posted by: Den at May 18, 2006 01:19 PM

GREAT IS THE GUILT OF AN UNNECESSARY WAR. John Adams

I TREMBLE FOR MY COUNTRY WHEN I RECALL GOD IS JUST. Thomas Jefferson

George W. Bush is now known throughout the world as THE PERPETRATOR OF GENOCIDE.

As Christians let us follow Jesus Christ who is the embodiment of justice and perfect love. Let us follow Jesus Christ by saying no to war, no more wars for humanity.

I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians, your Christians are nothing like your Christ. Mahatma Ghandi

American Soldiers

2,749 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his lies.

Unless we move toward Shalom, our nation and all the countries of the world will not have a future.

Bush: Alpha Male on the Cruise Ship

bush the alpha male is, in reality, the beta bastard bum, second in position to dick cheney

#53 Micki, I do not post anywhere else so I do not know who that is. Here it would be between post #41 and #42. #41.5

The sins of our politicians and soldiers will be on the heads of our children and their children for generations

.....officials routinely say they cannot talk about this program or that program because it is classified--yet at the same time they do reveal details that they believe provide political cover. It's selective leaking....

David, slight Modification to the last part above to: "It's selective but defensive leaking..."

The `issue' of phone records gave me some great ideas the Left will love, let's add a:

- Department of Counter-Leaks,
- Department of Legal Internet & Telecomm Data Mining,
- Department of Alternative Energy, and lastly
- Department of Internal Affairs to `oversees' everybody including the GAO & the IRS.

Just think, with so much leaks, corruptions, & data out there, we gotta hire at least another million or so Fed employees....Shoot the NSA alone must need a hundred thousand analysts to check out billions of phone records since they are just so anxious to know who "tens of millions of Americans with no ties to Al Qaeda are calling or are being called from".

Don't you all have something more pressing to do? Of course not....thye are the Cornnuts!

Nazi America with Israel's persistence is in the beginning stage of an Iranian holocaust. Nazi America will pass Nazi Germany as the world's killing machine.

Capt my wish is that Fitz does not stop with Rove. Cheney etc.

Massillon, Ohio

I would like to share with you some history and tradition. You may or may not know that Massillon has had a great tradition in high school football. Paul Brown, the great Cleveland Browns football coach, began his coaching career at Massillon. The actual name of the high school is Massillon Washington High School.

Whenever a baby boy was born in Massillon, the coach would give the baby boy a football. The football would remind the young boy of Massillon's tradition in football.

America has a similar tradition today under Bush. The tradition actually started in 2003. With each baby boy a government official or politician will give the baby boy a grenade and each baby girl will receive a gun. The grenade and the gun are reminders that at birth it is every boy and girl's birthright to fight in America's endless wars.

Each family will receive a miniature humvee as a reminder to parents that their son or daughter will safely ride into action in a humvee that has been built in the USA and authorized by Rumsfeld. The humvee is named after Rumsfeld and it is called the THE RUMSFELD.

Although this tradition is only a few years old, the tradition will be endless in fighting America's endless wars. In fact endless wars have been named after Bush and they are called BUSH, THE FATHER OF ENDLESS WARS.

As usual, our reps in Washington have failed to read their "CIA Digest", a classified "secret" publication, which I used to get when I was Intelligence Operations Officer of the 4th US Armored Division in Germany in 1969. Or, they can read the unclassified stuff at Asia Times on Line, which indicates that Osama Bin Laden is no loger a factor in terrorism. The new top guy, according to Asia Times is the familiar Taliban leader Mullah Omar,and al-Qaeda is now part of mainstream jihadi activity, with the goal of launching jihad from Afghanistan to Jerusalem.

Personally, I'd rather have the big enchilada indicted and his name is George W. Bush. He is truly a scumbag and a slimeball.

Voluntary program?

Sounds to me like anyone with a phone number, cell or land line, is a volunteer. As Hajji would say, "Go Figgur"

james --- A Boeing 767 not only has about 80 tonnes of aluminum-magnesium alloy, but about 15 tonnes of extremely high-quality steel. In particular, there are steel spars running the full length of the wings.

EVERYWHERE!

THe Associated Press (Alan Clendenning) SAO PAULO, Brazil --- The body count grew in South America's largest city Wednesday as police --- who lost 41 comrades in gang attacks --- killed 22 more suspected criminals. ... The latest deaths boosted the overall death toll to 156 since a wave of violence enveloped Sao Paulo last Friday, and came after officers shot 33 presumed gang members dead only a day earlier.

Gerald,

#57 - - - - - - -

It appears that our country does not address its own problems. Certainly, the military should be held accountable for the actions of its own. In the end, war is a terrible thing and should not be entered into lightly. The tragedy of this war is that the Commander in Chief does not understand the seriousness if Iraq.

Laser 'optical incapacitator' issued in Iraq
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The U.S. military has given troops in Iraq a laser device to temporarily blind drivers who ignore warnings at vehicle checkpoints, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

Army Lt. Col. Barry Venable, a Pentagon spokesman, defended its use as legal and said the devices were intended to prevent civilians from being shot.

"There have been numerous incidents that tragically have resulted in civilian deaths" in which drivers approaching U.S. military checkpoints have failed to heed warnings from troops, who in some cases have opened fire, he said.
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In a completely unrelated story, the first Haliburton/Oakley, "Your Mirrored Shade Specialists" outlet opened in virtually every market place in Iraq and Afghanistan...

Go Figgur...

.....officials routinely say they cannot talk about this program or that program because it is classified--yet at the same time they do reveal details that they believe provide political cover. It's selective leaking....

David, slight Modification to the last part above to: "It's selective but defensive leaking..."

The `issue' of phone records gave me some great ideas the Left will love, let's add a:

- Department of Counter-Leaks,
- Department of Legal Internet & Telecomm Data Mining,
- Department of Alternative Energy, and lastly
- Department of Internal Affairs to `oversees' everybody including the GAO & the IRS.

Just think, with so much (sic) leaks, corruptions, (sic) & data out there, we gotta hire at least another million or so Fed employees....Shoot the NSA alone must need a hundred thousand analysts to check out billions of phone records since they are just so anxious to know who "tens of millions of Americans with no ties to Al Qaeda are calling or are being called from".

Don't you all have something more pressing to do? Of course not....thye are the Cornnuts!

Posted by: Happy Pines for Bigger Gov't at May 18, 2006
= = = = = = =

For example. . . write lame long winded attempts to poke fun at the issue?

outletS...getting plurals right is one of the most important things in comedy...

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.....officials routinely say they cannot talk about this program or that program because it is classified--yet at the same time they do reveal details that they believe provide political cover. It's selective leaking....

David, slight Modification to the last part above to: "It's selective but defensive leaking..."

The `issue' of phone records gave me some great ideas the Left will love, let's add a:

- Department of Counter-Leaks,
- Department of Legal Internet & Telecomm Data Mining,
- Department of Alternative Energy, and lastly
- Department of Internal Affairs to `oversees' everybody including the GAO & the IRS.

Just think, with so much (sic) leaks, corruptions, (sic) & data out there, we gotta hire at least another million or so Fed employees....Shoot the NSA alone must need a hundred thousand analysts to check out billions of phone records since they are just so anxious to know who "tens of millions of Americans with no ties to Al Qaeda are calling or are being called from".

Don't you all have something more pressing to do? Of course not....thye are the Cornnuts!

Posted by: Happy Pines for Bigger Gov't at May 18, 2006
= = = = = = =

For example. . . write lame long winded attempts to poke fun at the issue?

Posted by: Mike R. Derrick at May 18, 2006 05:06 PM
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I have a new Admirer?

Gosh...the DOW looks like it is trying to flirt with that 11,000 mark again...

hmmm...

So the years spin by and now the boy is twenty
Though his dreams have lost some grandeur coming true
There'll be new dreams, maybe better dreams and plenty
Before the last revolving year is through

And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
We're captive on the carousel of time
We can't return, we can only look behind from where we came
And go round and round and round in the circle game.

-joni

Cabalism or incompetence?

9/11 dots to connect

#67 thinker, my concern is that Bushitler was going into Iraq for any reason. His lies to enter war has made him known as THE PERPETRATOR OF GENOCIDE. Bushitler is a COLD BLOODED MURDERER!

@73 Can't get the link to work

And, yes, things are going well in Afghanistan

We're so busy with Iraq that Afghanistan isn't even on the radar. Too bad. Last I heard was that other than Kabul - everything there is just as before with the Taliban in charge and the warlords running everything.

Re #73: Retrying the link for connecting the 9/11 dots.

Incompetence!

(I keep forgetting the **&^% syntax, and this last time forgot to check the link in the preview. I'll eventually get there...)

Of course, things are just peachy in Iraq...

Peachy Iraq

Hey professor! write the syntax on a small strip of paper and tape it to your monitor, that works for me. After about a hundred times using it it finally stuck in my mind.

Paragraphs can be set with anyone using Firefox using the "less than" symbol and "greater than" symbol above the comma and period respectively with a lower case "p" between them, no spaces between characters.

capt 39, pelosi and rockefeller HAD the chance to stand up to those facists 4 years ago, but were more concerned about saving their own hide than defending the Constitution and the people who elected them to office. They are both traitors. PS OBL may be reached thru a spiritual medium via seance. He will tell you where the box cutters are.

OBLO rents a spare room in my house, he is messy and keeps yelling Jihad! all the time. Will trade him for a good cat. Hey shutup OBLO! jeez what a pain!

Do other nations have access to the NSA wiretaping program? Do other nations wiretap the White House?

Which nations?

After 9/11 Fox New reporter Carl Cameron put together a four part series on several Israeli based communication companies (Amdocs and Inverse Insofy) that "allegedly" has access to massive amounts of U.s. citizens phone records and are indeed data mining. JINSA (Jewish INstitute nor National Security Agency) and CAMERA (a media watch group connected to JINSA and AIPAC) pressured Fox news to take this four part series off air and off of their website. This four part series is at the INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE website.

Sept. 16 (EIRNS)--According to a little-noticed passage in the Starr Report, during March 1997, President Clinton told Monica Lewinsky that he suspected a foreign embassy was tapping his telephone conversations.

Nothing more is said in the report about the incident, but according to information received by this news service, that reference could provide the key to the entire Lewinsky scandal and to the setting-up and entrapment of the President. Reportedly, the embassy involved was that of Israel, under the control of the right-wing Likud government of Benjamin Netanyahu.

First, the time-frame of the Lewinsky affair should be taken into account. It is bounded by two events: (1) the assassination of President Clinton's partner in the Middle East peace process, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin, on Nov. 4, 1995, which opens the path for Netanyahu becoming Prime Minister in May 1996; and (2) Netanyahu's visit to Washington in mid-January 1998--just as the Lewinsky affair was breaking in the U.S. news media. On this visit, Netanyahu publicly insulted the President by meeting with Bill Clinton's worst enemies, televangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

Netanyahu carried out this affront over the objections of both President Clinton and moderate Jewish leaders in the United States.

The question must be asked: Was the set-up of President Clinton part of the effort by the Likud fanatics in Israel, and their "Temple Mount" backers in London, to punish the President for his efforts to force through an implementation of the 1993 Oslo peace accords?

What Was the Mossad Role in the Lewinsky Affair?

Hajji,

It's been written that Joni Mitchell wrote that song in response to Neil Young's "Sugar Mountain." They used to play coffee shops in Canada before coming to the states.

A bit of trivia: the last band Neil Young played in before coming to the states was the Mynah Birds. Their lead singer...Rick James. Yes, that Rick James. The band broke up because James was arrested at a show in in Detroit, he was AWOL from the Navy.

Source: The Rolling Stone Files: Neil Young, The Ultimate Compendium of interviews, articles, facts and opinion. A great book.

The following excerpts are taken from the original 15-page US Government TOP SECRET document, "Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba [including cover memoranda], March 13, 1962," available at the National Security Archive website in pdf format at the following link: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf (local pdf copy)

The introductory text entry point for this document is at Pentagon Proposed Pretexts for Cuba Invasion in 1962 (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/) and is reproduced here:
In his new expos? of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled "Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba" was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals -- part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose -- included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington," including "sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated)," faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a "Remember the Maine" incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods "may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government."
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Just another conspiracy theory written by a bunch of incompetents. Our govt. would NEVER EVER do such a thing!!

kathleen --- Those are good questions. Unfortunately we are likely never going to be able to answer them...

Kathleen, I'm glad you are finding that article useful. It really is quite damning. Too bad clinton was of such faithless character that they were able to use the lewinsky thing against him. He was in a position to tell Israel to take a leap!

Recall the line from "Sugar Mountain"

"You can't be twenty, on sugar mountain, though you think you're leaving there too soon."

No Longer The Minority: 82% Plus Support Charlie Sheen
Over four-fifths back his public stance on 9/11

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | March 24 2006

Despite the best efforts of the now whimpering attack poodles of the mainstream media, an online CNN poll shows that over four-fifths, or 82 per cent, agree with actor Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks.

Every establishment media mouthpiece aside from CNN tried to hang Sheen on his own words but it simply didn't work because those same questions are firing the synapses in the heads of millions upon millions of other taxpaying American citizens.

We are now in the majority and the cynics are beginning to feel the breeze of fear as they desperately cling to ignorant dogmas spoon fed to them by an empire in descent, while in the back of their mind and in their soul knowing that they have sided with the wrong team and the wrong side of history.

Charlie Sheen is the forerunner of the third wave of 9/11 skeptics to go public.

The first wave was concerned and informed American and worldwide citizens who educated themselves and formed action groups and organizations to inform others.

The second wave was former government officials and people of high office risking their political reputation to voice their doubts on 9/11, people like Paul Craig Roberts, Professor Steven Jones, Michael Meacher and Andreas von Buelow.

The third wave is high profile individuals who already have a substantial media platform from which to speak the truth, Hollywood stars and cultural icons. Charlie Sheen must be commended for risking his entire career for the sake of the truth and the future of America.

The fourth and final wave will be people who were in government at the time of 9/11 or those employed by the Bush administration at the time of 9/11, such as secret service officials and others close to the administration, going public with what they know. By this I don't mean watered down shills like Richard Clarke but individuals with hardcore information that could be the catalyst for impeachment.

At that point the call for a new independent investigation of 9/11 will be deafening and impossible to ignore any further.

Our efforts in stalling these control freaks is really beginning to pay dividends. Our patience for freedom will outlast their lust for power and the human spirit will triumph over evil.
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Oh dear, 82%. That's an awful lot of looney conspiracy theorists! I say hang those murderous traitors!

Sal, didn't I read from on of your articles about "Operation Northwoods" that it was a secret plan drawn up by an artillery company?
Deosn't that sound strange?
Plus, did any of them 'plans' get carried out?

I have read of secret plans to kill Castro, but I don't think it was from the canon guys.

US concerned over Iran gas pipeline

Citing Tehran's "unpredictability" as the reason for its concern over the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project, the United States has said it was making efforts to help New Delhi with its energy needs.
"This is a project that's been talked about quite a bit in the region. We have made our concerns known about it. We made them aware of US legislation that might affect any investments in Iran, and made our concern about Iran as the source of energy need, given the unpredictability some times of Iranian behaviour," Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Richard Boucher said.
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I wonder if all this "concern" is because US companies lost out on building contracts, like they lost out to the Bridas Corp. in Afghanistan?

steel spars running the full length of the wings?

oh! that explains why when the plane is already 1/2 way thru the side of the tower, there is still no hole. the hole doesn't make it's appearance until the explosion, which doesn't occur until the plane has disappeared entirely. but that's wtc2/175. over at wtc1/11 the explosion and the hole don't even line up correctly with the blob that represents flight11. oh well, such is life. i bet next time they will make it look more authentic!

saladin --- Probably the same percentage of Americans believe in astrology as well. Fairly meaningless and mindless.

Alan, Operation Northwoods was drawn up by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962, during the Kennedy administration, it was titled "Justification for U.S. Military Intervention
in Cuba."

They were dead serious, but Kennedy wouldn't go along with it. Here is something from the original document,

FACTS BEARING ON THE PROBLEM

1. The Joint Chiefs of Staff have previously stated*
that US unilateral military intervention in Cuba can be
undertaken in the event that the Cuban regime commits hostile
acts against US forces or property which would serve as an
incident upon which to base overt intervention.

2. The need for positive action in the event that current
covert efforts to foster an internal Cuban rebellion are
unsuccessful was indicated** by the Joint Chiefs of Staff
on 7 March 1962, as follows:

" - - - determination that a credible internal
revolt is impossible of attainment during the next
9-10 months will require a decision by the United States
to develop a Cuban "provocation" as justification for
positive US military action."

3. It is understood that the Department of State also is
preparing suggested courses of action to develop justification
for US military intervention in Cuba.

Here is a link

Excerpts from declassified 1962 U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Memo
Operation Northwoods
Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba

This kind of thing is very common, our govt. has done it sucessfully 4 times that I know of. It is certainly no stretch to believe that they would do it again to accomplish a goal. I don't know why you find it so hard to believe. Our govt. lies and murders, they have been doing it, every administration, every invasion in our history, both parties, since day one.

D Benson, your attempt to belittle 82% of the people in a poll because they don't agree with you is pathetic. 9/11 has absolutely nothing to do with astrology and that is a bullshit comparison. Just because you are satisfied with one aspect of the story doesn't make the govt. version a fact. If you have a problem with an independant investigation by TRULY non-partisan participants, you are the one with issues, not us. It's no skin off your ass, so why do you care? No one will trouble you to contribute, you wouldn't be inconvenienced at all.

Well, james, with your vast knowledge of photo-interpretation, based on years of experience and study in how it is done, come to this conclusion that it was all done with smoke and mirrors, who am I to dispute you?

Couple Arrested For Asking For Directions

POSTED: 7:23 am EDT May 17, 2006
UPDATED: 10:52 am EDT May 17, 2006

BALTIMORE -- Baltimore City police arrested a Virginia couple over the weekend after they asked an officer for directions.

WBAL-TV 11 News I-Team reporter David Collins said Joshua Kelly and Llara Brook, of Chantilly, Va., got lost leaving an Orioles game on Saturday. Collins reported a city officer arrested them for trespassing on a public street while they were asking for directions .

"In jail for eight hours -- sleeping on a concrete floor next to a toilet," Kelly said.

"It was a nightmare," Brook said. "I was in there thinking I was just dreaming and waiting to wake up."

Collins reported it was a nightmare ending to a nearly perfect day. He said the couple went to a company picnic and watched the Orioles beat Kansas City. It was their first trip to Camden Yards and asked two people for directions to Interstate 95 South when they left.

Collins said somehow they ended up in the Cherry Hill section of south Baltimore. Hopelessly lost, relief melted away concerns after they spotted a police vehicle.

"I said, 'Thank goodness, could you please get us to 95?" Kelly said.

"The first thing that she said to us was no -- you just ran that stop sign, pull over," Brook said. "It wasn't a big deal. We'll pay the stop sign violation, but can we have directions?"

"What she said was 'You found your own way in here, you can find your own way out.'" Kelly said.

Collins said the couple spotted another police vehicle and flagged that officer down for directions. But Officer Natalie Preston, a six-year veteran of the force, intervened.

"That really threw us for a loop when she stepped in between our cars," Kelly said. "(She) said my partner is not going to step in front of me and tell you directions if I'm not."

Collins reported the circumstances got worse. Kelly pulled 40 feet forward parking next to a curb and put his flashers on while Brook was on the phone to her father hoping he could help her with directions. Both her parents are police officers in the Harrisburg, Pa., area.

"(Brook's father) was in the middle of giving us directions when the officer screeched up behind us and got out of the car and asked me to step out. I obeyed," Kelly said. "I obeyed everything -- stepped out of the car, put my hands behind my back, and the next thing I know, I was getting arrested for trespassing."

"By this time, I was completely in tears," Brook said. "I said, 'Ma'am, you know, we just need your help. We are not trying to cause you any trouble. I'm not leaving him here.' What she did was walk over to my side of the car and said, 'Ok, we are taking you downtown, too.'"

Collins said the couple was released from jail without being charged with anything. Brook is now concerned the arrest may complicate a criminal background check she's going through in her job as a child care worker.

Collins said police left Kelly's car unlocked and the windows down at the impound lot. He reported a cell phone charger, pair of sunglasses and 20 CDs were stolen.

Baltimore City police said they are looking into the incident.
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Thank you OBL for 9/11, now we can foil terrorists one lost couple at a time. Your mission is accomplished.

in fact, mr. benson, my opinion of the appearances of flights 11 & 175 is based on the conclusions of OTHERS who DO have vast knowledge of photo-interpretation, based on years of experience and study in how it is done. others, i might add, whose websites and blogs i have linked here many times.

Sal, there's some interesting stuff on Lansdale in his Wiki page. Here's some of it, which jives with what your link said, except for the "northwoods" part... it isn't mentioned.

During the early 1960s he was chiefly involved in clandestine efforts to topple the government of Cuba, including proposals to assassinate Fidel Castro. Much of this work was under the aegis of "Operation Mongoose" which was the operational name for the Kennedy plan to topple Castro's government. According to Daniel Ellsberg, who was at one time a subordinate to Lansdale, Lansdale claimed that he was fired by President Kennedy's Defense Secretary Robert McNamara after he declined Kennedy's offer to play a role in overthrow of the Diem regime. Three weeks later, on November 22, 1963, Lansdale was allegedly photographed (from behind) in Dealey Plaza, Dallas, Texas, shortly after Kennedy was assassinated nearby. From 1965 to 1968 he returned to Vietnam to work in the US Embassy.

The Northwoods document is readily available since it has been declassified. False Flag operations are par for the course and have been utilized by empires for several thousand years. It's no wonder they contine using this technique, it always works, except, of course, when the boss refuses to go along with the plan.

oh i believe in astrology! i don't put any faith in it but i believe in it. i was born on aug. 3 which makes me a leo ruled by no less than the sun. now if i could somehow parlay that into a winning lottery ticket, then it would be something to put my faith in.

I dunno, I might've been thinking of something else you've posted before. I thought "operation northwoods" was the plan to fly planes into the WTC. What was that one called? That's the one that where the guys said it was an 'exercise' by his artillery company.

since lot and his wife were warned ahead of time and allowed to escape the destruction of sodom, do you suppose that could've been the very first false-flag op.?

New 9/11 footage shown
16/05/2006 22:45 - (SA)

Washington - The US government on Tuesday released video clips for the first time showing how a hijacked airliner struck the Pentagon and exploded into a ball of fire on September 11 2001.

A surveillance camera in a Pentagon parking lot caught the moment that American Airlines Flight 77 slammed into the south west side of the military headquarters.

Although the two video clips last about two minutes, the nose of the jet is seen for only a fraction of a second in one film before the explosion.

A huge ball of fire rises from the building and black smoke starts gushing out.

The attack, which came shortly after al-Qaeda hijackers flew two airliners into the World Trade Centre in New York, killed 189 people on the jet and inside the defence department headquarters in the Washington suburbs.

Conspiracy theories

The Pentagon handed the videos over to Judicial Watch, a watchdog group that sued for its release.

The lack of film evidence of the attack had fuelled conspiracy theories suggesting that the attack had been faked or engineered by the Pentagon against itself.
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There is something VERY fishy about this. If the intent was to put conspiracy theories to rest, why did they only release one crappy video that doesn't even show anything? Where are the other 83 or so? What are they up to?

alan, you might've been thinking of this:
Terror Plan Commissioned By Congress In 1976

The study, commissioned to C-Battery 2/81st Field Artillery, U.S. Army, stationed in Strassburg, Germany in 1976, specifically devised the scenario of the Twin Towers being leveled by Middle Eastern terrorists using commercial airliners and even plastic box cutters to bypass security. To silence critics, McNiven has successfully passed a credible lie detector test regarding his participation in the study

Another question, if they DO have clear and concise footage of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon, and I am not ruling that out, why are they playing this weird game? Why didn't they just release it when the doubts began to mount? There was no reluctance to show the plane hitting the tower a thousand times.

what are they up to? i believe that they are just dragging it all out with distractions and teasers until a point is reached where they wont even care if anyone believes them or not. god help us if/when such a point is ever reached.

James, yeah yeah, that's it. Haven't checked it out yet, but I'll look 'n see what it's named.

Yes, james, I have looked into various of the sites you have posted here. So far, not one of them offers any credentials at all. Sorry, they are all myth-information sites (except those which are actual disinformation sites).

saladin, I suppose I don't object to yet another 2001 Sep 11 investigation. The article about Judith Miller that I posted earlier today is actually quite disturbing with regard to what it implies about the white house occupants. So I suppose an investigation centered there would be possibly useful. Elsewhere? Nah. I already know that the FBI was, and remains, FUBAR. I already know that the intelligence agencies could not then, and still cannot, connect the dots. But this nonsense regarding demolition charges, smoke and mirrors rather than airplanes, etc., is simply another example of 'flatearthism' which cannot accept the physical reality because it flies in the face of preconceptions. Jez, I sure do not want you doing criminal/accident investigations!

James, I'm afraid you may be right. All it would take is one more "terrorist" attack, maybe a nuclear one this time, to shut the people up for good. We already know how many will fall for it yet again, and beg the govt. to take away every last vestige of freedom to save us. It's so much easier to blame Muslims then to look to the ones who have everything to gain from such an attack. Can people possibly be so gullible?

weird game --- they released the videos that Judicial Watch requested. The other videos are privately owned, afaik. They didn't release the ones requested by Judicial Watch before now was some legalism regarding the recently concluded trial. The WTC videos are all privately owned. The gvnmt got no control of that. Show some wits, for Pete's sake!

there is this:
http://terrorize.dk/911/comments/wtc.could.probably.sustain.multiple.impacts.wmv

which supposedly has this:

Frank A. De Martini: Manager, WTC Construction & Project Management. Missing since 9/11/01 - Recorded 01/25/01
"The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it, that was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building could probably sustain multiple impacts of jet liners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door, this intense grid, and the jetplane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting."

but i only have dial-up and i've never waited for to even connect, much less download, so i haven't seen it.

Capt what's the personality type of a person who seeks negative attention?

Benson, do you realize how obnoxiously smug you sound? I have never expressed any interest in doing investigations, only that they should be done. No matter what you may believe, there is plenty of evidence aside from "smoke and mirrors" that needs looking into. You may be a Professor, but there are also Professors who disagree with you. I am not the enemy, so how about toning it down a bit? It is not necessary to end all of your comments to me with a sarcastic remark. I want the same thing as most people here, for bushco to be brought to justice and this train wreck to be averted.

Privately owned? Then why in the hell did they CONFISCATE them? And why haven't they given them back to the owners? WTF do they have to do with that trial? Do YOU have any wits? Do you believe everything those liars say? What a bunch of BULLSHIT! They wanted to stop conspiracy theories, and that video didn't help at all.

Well, I was looking at stuff about the Pentagon, but I kinda got redirected on the 'air phone' issue. A Mrs. Olson called her husband from flight 77. To verify it was possible, the linked over to flight 93 where there was more calls documented. There's alot on this site...

13-minute call bonds her forever with hero

First part is about that more noted call. There's more calls listed below that.

i think marcus icke has done a more than credible job of analyzing nearly every image of 175:
GHOSTGUN UA175
i don't believe that credentials make the man. i believe that the work makes the man.

Show some wits, for Pete's sake!??
come on man! you could perhaps exhibit some yourself if you thought about it a little harder.

Got a BOX from Spec.Spanky today! 2 discs of pics. (no shots of anything "encouraging to the enemy" so go f'k yerself, General Fudd!)

An Iraqi flag, some t-shirts with "Hard Rock", "Mountain Dew" and other stuff written in Arabic...a couple unit patches and one, just for me, Kyle, of "SouthPark" fame saying, "OH MY GOD, YOU SENT ME TO Tal AFAR! YOU BASTARDS!!!"

Oh, and a little, stuffed camel that plays music and singing in Arabic, for his little niece, Allie B's B-day!

A "turban" (I don't know what this headscarf's called, but it is like the one Saddam used to wear...and Arafat, too!

We've probably sent over 100 packages to Iraq in the past 3 years...this is only the second one we've gotten back!

-T

The government would love nothing better than for us to spend the rest of our days arguing over the fine points. But all we really need to know is that which we all agree on. The US Government has lied to us, and people of courage know that the time has come to move to the next step, which is what to do about it. Moral cowards will retreat back into endless and pointless time-wasting over trivial side issues, but real patriots know that the time for swatting at such gnats has come to an end. The burden of proof is on the government, not on We The People.
Mike Rivero
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To that I say AMEN!!

Re #114: saladin, there is not one structural engineer who has ever stated publically that anything other than airplane strikes were required. There is no phycial evidence for anything else. The fact that there are professors of other disciplines who make a case one way or another has little to do with the matter. None of them, including me, is an expert on structural engineering. By analogy, they believe is astrology and I don't. Does not make a wit of different regarding the reality.

All the evidence regarding WTC has been hashed and rehashed and re-rehashed on PhysOrgForum. It has already been 'looked into'. It doesn't need doing again.

I am sorry I write so poorly to appear "obnoxiously smug". I'll continue to offer "sarcastic remarks" when you attempt to step into areas which I know a little about, and you clearly know nothing, nor care to learn. Come over to PhysOrgForum and ask questions. You'll obtain authoritative answers from serval people, from around the world, all of whom know more than I. For example, they'll probably be able to tell you how to buy a copy of the WTC Towers plans...

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part of Dr. B's post on the other blog, and an addendum from another poster that sums alot up in a succint post.

(1) WTC 2 fell first even though hit second because: The airplane was going much faster. Since the imparted kinetic energy depends upon the square of the speed, the kinetic energy delivered was about (2.8)x(2.8) = 7.84 more than the design allowed for. The building had a safety factor of about 6 on 2001 Sep 11, so this is more than even the safety factor allowed for. Second, the airplane strike was lower down. So the damaged portion of the core still had to hold up about 30 floors. It did, for 52 minutes.
and the reply...

As the NIST report points out, all these things were factors but there were ALSO these factors as well:

The WTC Towers were SQUARE ~200 ft on a side, but the Core structure was Rectangular. Thus on two sides the distance from the core to the perimeter was 60 feet, but on the other two sides it was only 30 feet.

The Columns that supported the Core were of varying sizes. The 4 Corner columns were the most massive, supporting a full 25% of the Core's gravity loads.

In WTC 1 the plane impacted almost dead center and in a nose down attitude. It also hit on the side with 60 feet of concrete flooring between the perimeter and the core.

In WTC 2 the plane impacted off to one side and in a more level attitude. It also hit on the side with only 30 feet of concrete flooring between the perimeter and the core.

Because the WTC 1 plane was flying SLOWER and more nose down and hit on the wider floor side, much more of the plane's energy was dissapated prior to the remains of the plane hitting the core than the faster WTC 2 plane.

The NIST model shows that the WTC 2 plane did MORE damage to the Core, including the Severing of one of the massive corner columns. Because it hit slightly off center, the damage also created greater asymetric forces in what remained of the structure.

Arthur

Re #119: That is a useful comment, one with which I largely agree. However, none of us actually trusts the current, overly-secretive, white house and heads of agencies. So who and how would an investigation into the events leading up to 2001 Sep 11 be done?

Re #112: james, he is either misquoted or misinformed. Once again, ask your question on the PhysOrgForum site and the people there will quickly be able to pull up authoritative statements from the chief engineer and his assistant.

Saladin. Following your comments in discussion regarding the pentagon attack, it seems that the release of the video was set to coincide with a same day foxnet media blitz to show the mainstream that we are all mad as hatters. This is directed propaganda against the numbers that suggest so many people believe Charlie.

I suggested yesterday that Karl may be behind it since it involves the government, the pentagon and foxnet. After all it is 2006, and what is his new job if not to make us look dumb and the deciders and protectors look strong.

Shield on Bush's pickup truck says

To Decide and Protect.

DB, how can he be misinformed? he takes the actual images of 175 and compares them with representations of real 767's at the same angles and similar lighting situations. the images we have been shown of 175 are phonies. wings are at wrong angles, shadows are wrong, engines are in the wrong places and the wrong size, etc.
it boils down to believability. do you believe a man who SHOWS us what's wrong with this picture? or do you take the word of a corrupt regime with multitudes of motives for having pulled off such a scam?

the physorg/forum. indeed. which comment should i start with? # 3,716? # 1,448? i have no doubt that they're all very smart but i really don't want to get sucked into endless debates and discussions. this blog excepted of course. j

Arlen Specter tells Russ Feingold, "Good riddance" on this issue.

Keyboard activism needed:

Dear Micki,

Each week, Senator Frist and the Republican Leadership make choices about the Senate agenda. They could focus our work on record high gas prices, the war in Iraq, or skyrocketing health care costs.

But there's an ugly truth: it's election season and down-in-the-polls Republicans are turning to their same old playbook - fear and division. During the week of June 5th, Bill Frist, in an attempt to appease extreme right wing elements of the Republican Party, has promised that the Senate will vote on the Federal Marriage Amendment and attempt to write discrimination into the Constitution for the first time in 230 years.

Join me in telling Senator Frist, "The Senate should be working on real issues - not writing discrimination into the Constitution" by visiting:

http://giveemhellharry.com/realissues

This divisive and unnecessary amendment that would undermine the Constitution has overwhelmingly failed each time the Senate has voted on it. We don't need another Terri Schiavo moment where we spend valuable time away from the important work that needs to be done. Now, more than ever, it's time to focus on security, solutions for the high cost of healthcare and gas prices.

We need a President and a Congress that doesn't play divisive politics. At a time of war, Republicans should unite the country, not divide and undermine its founding principles.

http://giveemhellharry.com/realissues

Thank you,

Harry Reid

it's very simple really-
if my views and the conclusions of others that my views are based on is wrong, then it's just wrong. but if it's not wrong then that means that everything that we see and know from govt/media/govt is suspect and needs to be examined before accepting.

The death of a single human being is too heavy a price for the vindication of any principle, however sacred. Daniel Berrigan

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Do not worry over the charge of treason to your masters, but be concerned about the treason that involves yourselves. Be true to yourself and you cannot be a traitor to any good cause on Earth. : Eugene V. Debs, Speech, June 16, 1918

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"How is a military drilled and trained to defend freedom, peace and ahppiness? This is what Major General O'Ryan has to say of an efficiently trained generation: 'The soldier must be so trained that he becomes a mere automoton; he must be so trained that it will destroy his initiative; he must be so trained that he is turned into a machine. The soldier must be forced into the military noose; he must be jacked up; he must be ruled by his superiors with pistol in hand.' This was not said by a Prussian Junker; not by a German barbarian . . . but by an American major general. And he is right. You cannot conduct war with equals; you cannot have militarism with free born men; you must have slaves, automotons, machines, obedient disciplined creatures, who will move, act, shoot and kill at the command of their superiors. That is preparedness, and nothing else." : Emma Goldman, Preparedness: The Road to Universal Slaughter

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Bush Is Certifiable

Inflated by the power of the underlying archetype, Bush is suffering from delusions of grandeur, and has become megalomaniacal. He is unconsciously identified with the archetype of the Messiah. Bush told an Amish group in 2004 that "God speaks through me." Bush imagines that God actually speaks to him as well; in 2003 he told Palestinian ministers that God told him to invade Iraq. Jung commented, "One should listen to the inner voice attentively, intelligently and critically, (Probate spiritus!) [test the spirits], because the voice one hears is the influxus divinus consisting, as the Acts of John aptly state, of "right" and "left" streams, i.e., of opposites. They have to be clearly separated so that their positive and negative aspects become visible." John 4:1 says, "Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits whether they are of God."

Just because one hears an inner voice doesn’t necessarily mean it is the voice of God. Listened to uncritically, we could just as easily be seduced by the Devil. Bush has become inflated with an archetype of the collective unconscious, which is an expression of madness. He has become identified with one side, the light, of an inherently two-sided polarity, and projects out the other, dark side, which he then tries to destroy. By shadow projecting in this manner, Bush has become possessed by the very evil he is projecting outside of himself.

This is to fall under the spell of the Devil, who is rightly called "the deceiver." A clearer case of madness is hard to imagine. Jung describes such a situation by saying it is an "…overwhelming manifestation of the "blond beast" [of prey, a figure popularized by Nietzsche], which seizes the unsuspecting soul with nameless shudderings. The seizure transforms him into a hero or godlike being, a superhuman entity. He rightly feels himself "six thous