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April 18, 2006

Rove on the Stand--And Cheney and Tenet, Too?

Just posted the below in my "Capital Games" column at www.thenation.com....

There is a clash of titans underway at the filing room of the federal courthouse in Washington. Now that special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald and Scooter Libby's defense team are in the thick of pretrial motions, every week or so one side or the other files a motion, a counter-motion or a counter-counter-motion, and these documents are providing sporadic glimpses into what happened in the weeks that led up to the Plame/CIA leak in 2003. For instance, it was a Fitzgerald filing that revealed that Libby had testified that Dick Cheney had authorized him to leak selective portions of the National Intelligence Estimate on WMDs in Iraq to New York Times reporter Judith Miller and that this had happened after George W. Bush approved releasing (or leaking) slices of the NIE.

The most recent Libby filing did not contain such a blockbuster disclosure. But here are a few interesting portions:

When the issue of Valerie Wilson's employment is viewed in its proper context, and the full story is revealed, it will be clear that Ms. Wilson's role was a peripheral issue. If the press stories surrounding the governments NIE disclosure illustrate anything, it is that this case is factually complex and that the government's notion that it involves only Mr. Libby and the OVP [Office of the Vice President] is a fairy tale.

Hmmm, does this mean that there was a wide-ranging White House effort to undercut Joe Wilson's credibility that involved others than Libby and went beyond trying to depict Wilson trip to Niger as a boondoggle orchestrated by his wife, a CIA officer? Libby's lawyers keep hinting that they will suck the rest of the White House into the case to defend their man. But this is puzzling, for if Libby goes too far down that road, won't he hurt his standing as a deserving recipient of a presidential pardon? Many White House fans are raising millions of dollars for the Libby defense fund and a conservative think tank has put him on the payroll. So how many grenades can Libby throw at Bush, Cheney and Karl Rove?

The defense is likely to call Mr. Rove to provide testimony regarding Mr. Libby's conversations with Mr. Rove concerning reporters inquiries about Ms. Wilson, as expressly discussed in the indictment.

Rove on the stand, being examined by Fitzgerald? Neither Rove nor the White House can want that. Fitzgerald has not indicted Rove, and his exact role in the leak remains murky--though he reportedly was the second source for the Bob Novak column that disclosed Valerie Wilson's CIA employment. And he was the firt source for Matt Cooper of Time. If he hits the witness stand, Fitzgerald can ask much. What exactly did Rove do before the leak? What did he say to Novak? How did he learn about Valerie Wilson's CIA status? Who else knew? Did he talk to Bush about this? After the leak investigation began--and Bush publicly said he wanted to know who the leakers were--did Rove inform his boss that he had been one of leakers? If so, why did Bush not keep his promise to fire anyone who had leaked classified information? This could be a rather dramatic moment in the Libby trial. Will Libby really put Rove (and the White House) through this? Or are his lawyers merely bluffing for now--in order to burden Fitzgerald with various documents requests? For his part, Fitzgerald has said he has no plans to call Rove as a witness.

In addition, Mr. Libby plans to demonstrate that the indictment is wrong when it suggests that he and other government officials viewed Ms. Wilson's role in sending her husband to Africa as important. We need the requested documents to prepare this crucial aspect of his defense.

Fitzgerald's indictment of Libby notes that Cheney--weeks before the Plame leak happened--told Libby that Valerie Wilson worked for the Counterproliferation Division of the clandestine service of the CIA, the operations directorate. Why was Cheney himself seeking out--and passing to Libby--information on Valerie Wilson if he did not view her role as potentially significant? Perhaps Cheney can answer that on the stand.

Further, Mr. Tenet is a likely witness.

Should this happen, Fitzgerald, unfortunately, is not going to examine former CIA chief George Tenet on how the agency screwed up much (though not all) of the prewar intelligence. He won't grill Tenet on why the CIA director did not say anything when Bush and other administration officials overstated the CIA's intelligence. That's not part of Fitzgerald's case. But it would be rather interesting to hear Tenet discuss the conflict that raged between the CIA and the White House at the time of the leak, when it was becoming increasingly likely that no WMDs would be found in Iraq and when the agency and the Bush crew were pointing fingers at each other. Tenet, who oversaw one of the biggest intelligence screw-ups in the CIA's history (two, if you count 9/11), has snagged a presumably lucrative book contract. American citizens should not have to pay $30 each to receive Tenet's explanations of what went wrong. They deserve this information (even if it is self-serving) for free. But none of the Republican-controlled congressional committees have called Tenet to testify publicly and extensively about the prewar intelligence disaster. Perhaps Fitzgerald can slip in one or two questions.

Imagine the spectacle if Libby's attorneys are right in their pretrial assertions: Rove, Cheney and Tenet on the stand. The trial is not scheduled to begin until next January. Republicans fretting about the coming congressional elections should at least be happy about that.
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I'M A DECIDER-MAKER. On Tuesday, Bush once again came to Donald Rumsfeld's rescue--and he did so with that patented Bush eloquence:

I say, I listen to all voices, but mine is the final decision. And Don Rumsfeld is doing a fine job. He's not only transforming the military, he's fighting a war on terror. He's helping us fight a war on terror. I have strong confidence in Donald Rumsfeld. I hear the voices, and I read the front page, and I know the speculation. But I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the secretary of defense.

Ladies and gentlemen, your president--who hears voices and reads the front page (anything on the inside?), and who is the "decider" who decides "what is best." This should really help him in the polls.

Posted by David Corn at April 18, 2006 01:32 PM

Comments

1

A lot of the opinion coverage of the alleged rape is of the "don't rush to judgement" type. Very little of the coverage - opinion and news - even references the injuries of the alleged victim.

Duke is trying to spin this hard and fast in order to keep the stink off. They have another obligation as an educational institution and that is to teach, even (or perhaps especially) with respect to this incident.

True leadership would say, if a member of our community has broken the law, or breeched the social contract, there will be appropriate consequences. We will review the standards we set to insure everyone associated with our university understands them and is committed to supporting them. Athletic teams will be held to the same standards as the rest of the school. They need to say it.

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 01:40 PM

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bush is the decider? That's a laugh! I doubt if he can decide what tie to wear in the morning. I see our military going in the same direction as our economy, straight to hell. And just like the economy it is no accident. The worst mistake people make is in thinking bush and his side kicks are in charge of any of this, dismissing everything as the work of incompetents. They are lying, greedy, traitorous murderers, but they don't make the plans. They just profit from implementing them.

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 01:42 PM

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David,

Thank you for your post on this topic, "Rove on the Stand--And Cheney and Tenet, Too?" This case is, I hope, the engine that will drive the adminstration towards accountability and consequences and rest the rest of us, closer to the truth. Thanks.

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 01:44 PM

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Decide me once...

Posted by: Bill from Dover at April 18, 2006 01:46 PM

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I almost said ha.

Posted by: James Ha at April 18, 2006 01:47 PM

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David, Fitzgerald will go all the way to the chimp-in-charge with indictments of complicity to release classified documents to discredit a political opponent, only a matter of time. Heads will roll. This administration has gone to extraordinary lengths to hide their sneaky, underhanded attacks, leaving a trail anybody with a court order could follow, Fitzgerald ROCKS!

Posted by: DEN at April 18, 2006 01:48 PM

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Imagine the spectacle if Libby's attorneys are right in their pretrial assertions: Rove, Cheney and Tenet on the stand.

May I politely remind the audience that this is the same judge who has gagged Sibel Edmonds, and thrown her case out of court?

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at April 18, 2006 01:56 PM

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Decider-N-Chief sez Rummy is OK, got to keep the PNACers together till the world dominatrix thing is done.

Posted by: DEN at April 18, 2006 01:58 PM

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Strange April 19th anniversaries

On April 19, 1775, British and American soldiers exchanged fire in the Massachusetts towns of Lexington and Concord. On the night of April 18, the royal governor of Massachusetts, General Thomas Gage, commanded by King George III to suppress the rebellious Americans, had ordered 700 British soldiers, under Lieutenant Colonel Francis Smith and Marine Major John Pitcairn, to seize the colonists' military stores in Concord, some 20 miles west of Boston.

Waco, on April 19th, 1993 79 men, women and children were murdered at Mount Carmel.

Oklahoma City bombing was a terrorist attack on April 19, 1995, in which the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, a U.S. government office complex in downtown Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, was destroyed, killing 168 people. It is the largest domestic terrorist attack in the history of the United States and was the largest act of terrorism within U.S. borders until September 11, 2001.

1933 FDR announces US will leave the gold standard

1947 French ship explodes in Texas City harbor, kills about 522

1961 : Exiles invade Cuba at Bay of Pigs

1971 Charles Manson sentenced to life (Sharon Tate murder)

1972 US performs nuclear test at Nevada Test Site

1973 USSR performs nuclear test at Eastern Kazakhstan/Semipalitinsk USSR

1983 France performs nuclear test

1985 USSR performs nuclear test at Eastern Kazakhstan/Semipalitinsk USSR

1987 USSR performs underground nuclear test
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I guess it's also official nuclear test day.


Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 01:58 PM

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Robert, I posted an article about that a few days ago, but either no one noticed or felt it unimportant. Quite a coincidence that the same judge, whose required financial declarations were completely redacted before being handed over via FOIA request, is in charge of two cases involving the lies that started the war in Iraq.

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 02:01 PM

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The comments in Libby's filing about a much wider issue made me think of Lee Harvey Oswald's infamous plea "I'm just a patsy." Before Libby can truly spill the beans in court testimony, will Jack Abramoff walk up to him in the hall and shoot him in the stomach?

Posted by: Riff at April 18, 2006 02:08 PM

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The Decider and Thief has spoken.

Posted by: Damn_Em at April 18, 2006 02:12 PM

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Bush the Decider

David the Free-Fraud Zoner

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 02:14 PM

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David

Libby isn't going to need a Pardon. Those are saved for little drug dealing brothers!

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 02:17 PM

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Maybe Rove could testify on just which voices Bush hears. And didn't POTUS once proudly say he never read newspapers?? Which is it? Front page summaries of the daily briefings based on FoxNews as gleened by the VP, or maybe this is just the way the new Chief of Staff gets his puppet to say "heck of a job, Rummy"

Posted by: spyder at April 18, 2006 02:17 PM

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How late in the process can Fitzgerald identify Rove as a witness?

Alternatively, if Fitz is trying to nail Libby for lying, why embroil Rove in that effort and complicate the ongoing investigation? Fitz may be after Rove or Cheney or Hadley for conspiracy and/or unauthorized government secrets disclosure and/or specifically disclosing the identity of a CIA NOC. I've got to believe he'd love to nail the guilty party for the "underlying crime" if he could make it stick.

There have been indications Rove cooperated with the investigation such as the production of missing email and the pre-indictment dance between Luskin and Fitzgerald. Has Rove made discreet deals with Fitz or has he turned state's witness completely in return for immunity? Am I asking the same question you're asking or is it a significant twist? Does a rhetorical question leave more room for the reader to fill in the blanks or is it an overused device? Have you stopped reading this or will you finish it?

Fitz got a conviction on Gov. Ryan yesterday. No doubt there will be an appeal but Fitz will have more time to nail these rat-fucking bastards' asses to the wall in the DC Federal Courthouse. [Term of art from Watergate era.] The pre-trial motions are a cat and mouse game and Fitz is winning each round except in the press where right wing spew spin from the likes of Woodward and Byron York competing against Waas from National Journal, and occasionally if not rarely the MSM, but thank god for the blogosphere regulars pursuing this - Firedoglake, Glenn Greenwald, and Mr David Corn.

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 02:18 PM

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Libby is accused of making false staements to investigators and is indicted. Fitzpatrick makes a false statement to the media and is allowed to make a correction.

Some justice!

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 02:21 PM

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ORielly, I think everytime Fitz. turns over another rock there's another repug with another twist to provide. All the speculation about this issue will all go out the door soon. SOOOO much azz kissin and azz coverin. My question is, When is Fitz. going to wrap it up?

Posted by: DEN at April 18, 2006 02:31 PM

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Sorry, O'Reilly spelled your name wrong. Dyslexia I guess.

Posted by: DEN at April 18, 2006 02:33 PM

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Bush the Decider maker has a higher IQ than your boy John Kerry. John wasn't qualified or smart enough to be a decider maker. Now that's dumb!!!

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 02:37 PM

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YES! YES! OH YES! OH! OH! YES! Virtual SEX, WOWZER!

Posted by: DEN at April 18, 2006 03:16 PM

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Den, Is it completly apparent, when a troll chirps in, wheher he has spent some or none (zero, nada, zippo) time familiarizing himself with the facts?

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 03:29 PM

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#18 My question is, When is Fitz. going to wrap it up?

DEN, as you know, Scooter's trial is set to commence January 8, 2007, because one of his attorney's, Theodore V. Wells, Jr., is tied up with another trial. (Convenient, huh? No trial 'til after the Nov. mid-term elections.)

Anyway, the Libby Defense Fund is in High Gear and I think their plan is to fund Libby 'til hell freezes over so his legal team can keep throwing requests at Fitzgerald and string this thing out until bush/cheney/and company drop their bomb. A coup d'etat.

Then the trial is permanently postponed.

Posted by: caroline at April 18, 2006 03:30 PM

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 03:34 PM

Posted by: James Ha at April 18, 2006 03:35 PM

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bush and kerry, blood brothers and bonesman, one dumb as a post and a traitor, the other a traitor but can't use dumb as an excuse. I once read the odds of two bonesman running for president at the same time, they were astronomical. In 2002 Alexandra Robbins predicted, in her book, "Secrets Of the Tomb; Skull and Bones, the Ivy League and the Hidden Paths Of Power" that the 2004 presidential election might showcase the first time each ticket has been led by a Bonesman. She sure hit THAT nail on the head. The following link has an excerpt from that book. Very interesting indeed. It's not the IQ, it's the connections.


THE LEGEND OF SKULL AND BONES

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 03:36 PM

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David is dreaming if he thinks Fitzgerald would ask Rove these questions:

[After the leak investigation began--and Bush publicly said he wanted to know who the leakers were--did Rove inform his boss that he had been one of leakers? If so, why did Bush not keep his promise to fire anyone who had leaked classified information?]

These are political questions. Fitz is only interested in the legal aspects of this matter.

Posted by: eggman at April 18, 2006 03:38 PM

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[your president--who hears voices and reads the front page (anything on the inside?]

Marmaduke.

Posted by: eggman at April 18, 2006 03:50 PM

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Behind The Scenes At The Neil Young "Impeach Bush" Recording Session

It's nice to see he still has it.


all options are on the table

HMMMMMM..This seems familiar.

Posted by: Paul at April 18, 2006 03:54 PM

Posted by: James Ha at April 18, 2006 03:58 PM

Posted by: James Ha at April 18, 2006 04:02 PM

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O'Reilly, The troll of which you speak has been rearing his pin-head here for a while. I figure he is someones alter-ego, posing as a troll, quite amusing in a retarded kinda way.

Posted by: DEN at April 18, 2006 04:15 PM

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Sal, The more I read about S&B the more I think the tomb would be a good place to test one of them there bunker busters. Heh, Heh! BALOOEY! Heh, Heh! I love it when EVIL gets blasted.

Posted by: DEN at April 18, 2006 04:19 PM

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In what appears to be a reversal of previous policy, the head of the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) Julie Gerberding, says that "there is no evidence that it will be the next pandemic", commenting about avian flu.

"Hey, Rummy got his money from the stock sales, so we're calling off the flu scare tactics because NOW we need to you be afraid of Iran!"
-- Official White Horse Souse

Posted by: James Ha at April 18, 2006 04:22 PM

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Mr. David Corn,

Great post!

Thanks

Kirk

Posted by: capt at April 18, 2006 04:25 PM

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It is definitely time for Rumsfeld to go. Only our president would say differently. The Iraq mess isn't going to straighten itself out. It will take leadership amongst the military itself. If Rummy can't work with the generals nothing will ever get done.

Posted by: Joe Tully at April 18, 2006 04:27 PM

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James Ha

Nice to see you broaden your topic choices from 9/11 conspiracies and naked Britney Spears posts!

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 04:28 PM

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When the hated despots of nations like Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan loot their countries' treasuries, transfer their oil wealth to personal Swiss bank accounts and use the rest to finance (in the House of Saud's case) terrorist extremists, American politicians praise them as trusted friends and allies. But when a democratically elected populist president uses Venezuela's oil profits to lift poor people out of poverty, they accuse him of pandering.

Posted by: James Ha at April 18, 2006 04:30 PM

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eggman 27

Because it was declassified!

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 04:31 PM

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Free "Republicans for Voldemort" buttons at tramlaw.info

Posted by: Voldemort at April 18, 2006 04:36 PM

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please - if I focused on something other than 911 this blog would be buried under the weight of my posting rampage -

Posted by: James Ha at April 18, 2006 04:41 PM

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Do you know your Bushisms? You be the decider.

More pork for the Grand Ol' Spending Party. $700 million here (Frist R-SEC investigation underway), another $250 Million there. Thad Cochran sops it up from his Corporate donors and rewards them with a little sumthin'-sumthin'. It all adds up for the conservatives who can't seem to stop squandering money from the Federal purse.

And it was linked earlier; but it bears repeating. There seems to be no end to the lawbreaking in the Republican Party. They're like gangsters. You lock one up and another minor criminal figure gets promoted from within the organization to take his place.

States are having to recoup from the cuts at the Federal level and struggle to avoid borrowing to make ends meet.

Those crazy Liberals at Field & Stream are stumped by the effort by former Interior Secretary Gale Norton to classify water hazards on the back nine as wetlands. When conservatives can't tell the truth, lying with numbers comes easy.

And this one is for all those lovely Conservative Christians. We know that deep down you hate our troops. (Hajji, don't look at that one.)

And it's good to see that LBH has gone back to not contributing a single bit of information to the discussions on this blog. Was that Hapless calling somebody a Dumass? Deny it. Go ahead.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at April 18, 2006 04:49 PM

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Decision Maker

Dear Cornposters:

Bushitler says that he is a decision maker. Can anyone have confidence in his decisions? Tax cuts while fighting two wars has increased our deficits and no one seems to care about these huge deficits. His decision to go to war, a wrong and an immoral war, has been a disaster. Millions of Americans and Iraqis are dead, maimed, and homeless. Wherever he goes, he brings misery to people. He is also a notorious liar. He is a murderer and a war criminal. He made the decision to dump tons of white phosphorus on the Iraqi people. He has given the okay to torture prisoners of war. He makes the decision to travel instead of govern the country. His decisions have brought distrust to him and the American people. His slow decision to act during the hurricane season has made thousands of people homeless. Bushitler is a total loser as a decision maker.

Now, he is on the brink of nuking Iran. That will also be his decision.

Sincerely,

Gerald

Posted by: Gerald at April 18, 2006 04:51 PM

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It is just sad that those representing a differing view have no view on anything except what or how we post.

Always the personal attack, insults, belittling, self-aggrandized, vainglorious uber-ego and never an issue addressed.

We can only hope the cyber-creeps go over the line and David banishes them to the Corn field. That would be something to celebrate.

Personal attacks are one of the things that most blogs do not allow. If David outlawed personal attacks the troll would have nothing to post.

capt

Posted by: capt at April 18, 2006 04:58 PM

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I don't get it. What kind of pansy plays lacrosse anyways? What the hell is wrong with those kids now-a-daze!

Posted by: Prof. B G D'Gre at April 18, 2006 05:04 PM

Posted by: Alan at April 18, 2006 05:21 PM

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Pan, I forgot to thank you for the "evil update" advice. I found a quick and easy fix, quite by accident. You can easily turn off the auto update feature! After an hour on the phone with MS it was decided that my problem was so unusual they needed to have a techie conference and promised to call me back. We'll see.
Den, I agree, test the bomb on the coffin!

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 05:24 PM

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I can decide for myself, thank you. I've "had enough!"

Posted by: David B. Benson at April 18, 2006 05:30 PM

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Lacrosse is not a pansy sport.

Posted by: Gerald at April 18, 2006 05:30 PM

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Had enough? I think Americans are gluttons for punishment!
James, those photos say it all.

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 05:33 PM

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Capt

I have not made any personal attacks on you, so why all the self-righteousness?

Have you never made a personal attack on Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rove? If your answer is no then you truly are a righteous corn blogger. If your answer is yes then shut your trap already!

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 05:34 PM

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Letter to WRH

READER: Great line for recuiting firemen, for the 9/11 truth movement. If Firemen were really convinced of the controlled demolition, and that Guilliani was warned to get out, and the Firemen weren't, that could be a powerful motivator for Firemen, and they have unions, etc., in which the 9/11 truth movement could be spread. I would suggest that the below line be included, as a tape-on-message on top of the DVD's that ny911truth have been distributing to Firehouses. My flyer, with the list of evidence of controlled demolition could be attached to it, also. Judy

One the TV news, on 9/11, Mayor Guilliani stated that he was told to get out, that the towers were going to fall. If the caller warned Guilliani, the caller knew that the towers were going to fall, and gave Guilliani time to get out. Why were the firemen not warned, and given time to get out, also?? Good Question???? Who's next to be sacrificed for the motives of the Bush Regime???

WRH: The world. Every wargame conducted regarding Iran shows the invasion turning into a global conflict. You know, "Dubya Dubya Three".
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Very good point.

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 05:36 PM

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Gerald, I bet you'd like this speech by Ron Paul.

video included here at Paul's government site

Posted by: Alan at April 18, 2006 05:37 PM

Posted by: Gerald at April 18, 2006 05:38 PM

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correction 51

Not since Davids warning anyway! You did get a whoopin before David stepped in to save you Corn-nuts! The glory days are over!!

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 05:39 PM

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PRESIDENT BUSH NOW CAUGHT IN THE TANGLED WEB OF DECEPTION HE SPUN
By Bill Gallagher

DETROIT -- President George W. Bush's character is diseased. Serial lies spew from his forked tongue as the result of a damaged mind and personality that will not permit him to face the truth. He lies about leaks and leaks about lies.

Vice President Dick Cheney, Bush's shady and cynical servant, refuses to deal with the truth no matter how compelling and overwhelming the facts are. Cheney is the lord of the lies, the Bushevik Beelzebub, now hopelessly caught in his own deceptions and treachery.

We now know they both kept repeating a known lie -- that Iraq had secret trailers used as biological weapons labs -- long after a Pentagon-sponsored fact-finding group unanimously concluded the trailers had nothing whatsoever to do with weapons of any kind.

The report in the Washington Post caused White House spokesman Scott McClellan to fume. How could the Post, McClellan howled, give the impression "that the president was saying something he knew at the time not to be true." Matrons across America reached for their smelling salts, faint at the notion that someone might suggest that Dubya purposefully lied. Mercy me.

Bush and Cheney's lies are legion. They effectively used lies to scare the hell out of the American people and they still do. But now, they must manufacture more lies to fuel more fear to keep their mass-deception operation going. They are struggling to keep the old lies alive until the new ones roll off the assembly line.

Their base -- the corporate-military-religious right folks --is eager to carry the new canards to the faithful as soon as the marketing launch time is just right. The menace of Iran is the sure-bet product, with the usual suspects in the media anxious to sell it.

Iraq was sold as a threat and Saddam Hussein's horrible weapons were what we most had to fear. Biological and chemical weapons in Iraq were fearsome. Bush assured the United Nations the evil regime in Iraq had a "continued appetite" for nuclear bombs.

Saddam, Cheney solemnly warned us, was hankering to build some nukes. The first thing he would do would be to slip a few dirty bombs to his old pal and partner in terror, Osama bin Laden.

The Busheviks created the mythology, mounted on a tripod of smoking-gun "evidence." Saddam was attempting to buy uranium for nuclear weapons. He bought aluminum tubes that could "only be used" for nuclear weapons. He constructed and operated mobile biological labs in trailers to manufacture disease-bearing weapons. Slam-dunk. Or so they thought....
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An AWESOME rant!

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 05:43 PM

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Alan, isn't it ironic that dems are quoting repubs and repubs are calling these patriots traitors? How things change.

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 05:44 PM

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Could bush look any stooooooopider? Maybe because bush reads only the "front page" he missed the story last year when his war pal, Tony Blair said no more, "I know best...."

bush obviously has not learned that lesson -- "I'm the decider and I decide what's best," Bush told reporters in the Rose Garden...

No more 'I know best', says Blair Prime minister closes spring conference by admitting mistakes and stressing partnership with people


"...Mr Blair promised that he had abandoned the "I know best" approach for a true partnership with the public which acknowledged that "we can only do it together"....

"The best policy comes from a true partnership between government and people," he said.

He argued that he had moved on from two previous phases of his leadership - courting popularity for its own sake, and then governing as if only "I know best"...."

Posted by: micki at April 18, 2006 05:57 PM

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When Jeanne linked this article @87 on the previous thread and on the one prior to that On the Possibility of A Military Coup in the United States of America I had hoped that she'd get some reaction to it. She asked what we thought.

Jeanne, I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are about this. (I posted to you on the previous thread.)

Posted by: micki at April 18, 2006 06:08 PM

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Sal, the only time I had issues with updates was when I had a trojan in my computer and did not know it. It had destroyed enough data that when the update was applied it caused all kinds of goofy stuff to happen. You really need to get some software to find out if there is something sinister lurking, Norton is not enough. Wait till late at night when the internet slows down then go Trend Micro, run their scan, 1-2 hours long. It would speed things up to do a disk cleanup and defragmentation first which can be found in Start/accessories/system tools, to sort the hard drive for easier scanning. Some anti-spyware programs are not nice so beware. I use X-Block.com but there are many reputable co.'s out there. Maybe Hajji can suggest a good one. Otherewise use Spybot Search and Destroy and ADawareSE both free and available here @ Major Geeks

Posted by: DEN at April 18, 2006 06:15 PM

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Re #60: Or get a Linux operating system and avoid (almost) all such difficulties...

Posted by: David B. Benson at April 18, 2006 06:20 PM

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James Ha Nice to see you broaden your topic choices from 9/11 conspiracies and naked Britney Spears posts!
Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 04:28 PM

My comment is that your comment is a snarky dig at a person and not about an idea or a policy or an issue or an opinion about a concern or a broader issue. You are here to chide and provoke. How do you respond to the charge?

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 06:33 PM

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BULLETIN: Positive story, Chapter Two

SALADIN: No sooner did I tell you about my positive story a few days ago -- and BINGO! I already got the overpayment check for 2004 from the US Treasury Department!

And guess what? They told me and my husband (in voluminous paperwork) that we were to get $1.59 -- but they sent us $1.60.

I am so happy! Our tax dollars at work...well, it's $1.60 less for the next war.

Posted by: micki at April 18, 2006 06:36 PM

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"Law is often the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.": Thomas Jefferson to I. Tiffany, 1819

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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air -- however slight -- lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness." : William O Douglas

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"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." : Daniel Webster

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Thanks ICH Newsletter!

Posted by: capt at April 18, 2006 06:40 PM

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Looks like Tony Blair does "know best"...

Acccording to The Huffington Post:

"Tony Blair has canceled an upcoming trip to America to avoid being photographed with Bush. The prime minister was scheduled to visit the US this spring for meetings with the president, but the trip was called off after Blair decided that being photographed with Bush would be too toxic for his image."

Posted by: micki at April 18, 2006 06:41 PM

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Micki,
You'll need to claim that on next years taxes.

I have been in and out all day. The weather has been beautiful. We Minnesotans always think the great weather isn't going to last, especially in April so we spend as much time as we can outside. It's going to be cooler and rainy tomorrow.
Micki, I'm going for a walk with my husband. Then I will respond on the military coup story. Oh and my advice on the money? Put it in a retirement fund. In ten years it will be worth a million dollars.

Posted by: Jeanne at April 18, 2006 06:43 PM

67

O Reilly

Come on, don't be such a nit-picking whiner!

Now, quit provoking me!

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 06:45 PM

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#61 You must not be on Bill Gates' payroll.

Posted by: caroline at April 18, 2006 06:59 PM

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This part of David's musings was Good, Funny & (surprise!) ?Self-serving?

"Tenet, who oversaw one of the biggest intelligence screw-ups in the CIA's history (two, if you count 9/11), has snagged a presumably lucrative book contract. American citizens should not have to pay $30 each to receive Tenet's explanations of what went wrong. They deserve this information (even if it is self-serving) for free."

Important FACT:
Mr. Tenet was appointed by Bill Clinton back in 1997. As was with Richard Clark, another Clinton-era dot-UN-Connectors! On the other hand, could all be intentionally `playing dumb' if one is into an omnipotent Gov't conspiracy.

Book Deals:
I bet for GWBush's Presidency, more books by supposed `insiders' will be published than any other 8-year Presidents in our history. Lurking around every leak, scandal, unmuzzled retired military, ex-Cabinet member, etc.... there are or will be talkss of a `Book Deal'.

Posted by: Happy, or not, w/the CIA? at April 18, 2006 07:01 PM

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Re #68: Nope, not on anybody's payroll! Does this make me a purely objective observer?

Posted by: David B. Benson at April 18, 2006 07:04 PM

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Don't be a quarrelsome name-calling troll lbh. Stop provoking everyone you can.

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 07:13 PM

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lbh is inclined or eager to fight; hostile and aggressive.

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 07:16 PM

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His style has been described variously as abrasive and contentious, overbearing and pompous.

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 07:17 PM

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Previous Thread #131

A few regulars here must be kids or unable-to- launch young adults. Everybody on the blog, cept Mr. Corn, is Bill Gates or some other hero. Slander of Handle A by B and vice versa seems part of the game! DEN thinks he has a case of Lucy against Charley Brown, Comical! Where is your kindegarten teacher, DEN?

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Mr Happy sez: DumAss member of the Corky school! That my freind is, SLANDER! Maybe you should go back to the market, I hear they're having a sale on TURNIPS!
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Posted by: Silent Majority at April 18, 2006 02:53 PM
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I like Silent Majority, he/she is any blog site owners' friend!

As for my calling an occassional name, I own up to it! In Moderation! Something to the effect (I think I've said before): "When EF Hutton speaks, People listen (hopefully)".

When something posted leads me to that occassional name-calling, it always means that person has moved into the `danger zone'. Happy as a "blog monitor", geeze, I will never tell!

"Go back to the market" was great piece of advice today! Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow,........ Other than just one stock dropping by $0.09, ALL of my stocks & funds went up. This is a miracle! What is the odds of that? Wow! Wowweeeee!

Posted by: Happy wraps up loose ends at April 18, 2006 07:19 PM

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Happy, your prose is beyond comprehension. . . dumass.

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I was watching the national news and a report said that many children are suffering illnesses and problems from the afthermath of Katrina and families have lost their health care. As I listened to the news, I wondered where are the pro-life people? I guess since these children are out of the mother's womb their lives are of no importance to these pro-life groups.

Ron Paul

Dear Cornposters:

Alan has alerted me to Ron Paul's great speech before Congress. I listened to his entire speech and I will give you some of my notes from his speech.

I also read Ron Paul's article, "Sanctions against Iran." The article was also very helpful and informative. Ron Paul has been a great read for the past several months. Thank you, Ron Paul! You make things clearer in seeing what is happening to our country.

Ron Paul did a great job of bringing up to date the past history of Iran. Unless we remember, we will forget that Nazi America has been a tyrant to other countries.

He mentioned several times in his speech that we cannot prove a negative. Nazi America is trying to prove that Iran has nuclear weapons and she does not have these weapons. Iran cannot satisfy Nazi America because there are no nuclear weapons but Nazi America does not believe her. Iran will never be able to prove that she does not have these weapons to satisfy Nazi America. So, we are drawing closer to a nuclear attack upon Iran and the commencing of WW III. We are not an honorable nation. Our Constitution is non-existent. We cannot continue to police the world. We have now less freedom and less civil liberty.

I believe that we are a doomed nation and a doomed people. Our middle class is now enslaved and edging into the poor class. We will see more converts to Islam in Nazi America.

Ron Paul said that pain would soon arrive to pay the bills for our continued deficits in printed out more money to pay for soon to be three wars. We are only cannon fodder for the rich whose sons and daughters will never be in harm's way.

We cannot impose our will on every country in the world. We must stick our noses out of other people's business.

Sincerely,

Gerald

Posted by: Gerald at April 18, 2006 07:29 PM

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O'Reilly:

If you, the Bostonian, can't understand my prose, it must mean you are the dimmest bulb in all of Mass, no wonder DEC went extinct even while Tedddy stays on, and on, and on.....

Posted by: Happy to prototypical NE Elitist at April 18, 2006 07:31 PM

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O Reilly

Move on already!!!!!

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 07:31 PM

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Den 60, thanks for the advice. MS promised to call me back tommorrow evening and since the problem is a minor one easily remedied by removing the offending update I will give them a chance.
#61, David, I am seriously considering that!
micki, I wonder how much all the paperwork cost? And what will they spend to get the 1 cent over payment back? ;-)

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 07:32 PM

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 07:34 PM

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O'Reilly 76, FUNNY!

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 07:35 PM

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You know nothing about me Happy. Nothing.

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Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 07:39 PM

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Sent to me in an e-mail.

The Gospel of Scooter
by Richard Lingeman
The Nation

Recently stories appeared in the press about a new Gnostic codex, "The Gospel of Judas." This document alleges that Judas, despised as the betrayer of Jesus, had actually been acting on Christ's orders in accordance with God's plan. That same day the press was also full of stories that former vice-presidential aide Lewis (Scooter) Libby, who is accused by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald of lying to federal prosecutors about his role in the leaking of a CIA National Intelligence Estimate that President Bush had declassified. That night, digesting these sensational stories, I had a troubling dream that still another codex had been discovered in the Capitol Crypt in Washington. The tattered pages appeared in my dream somehow translated from the original Coptic:

Here are the true revelations about Lewis Called Scooter, whom Pontius Patrick has charged with betraying the secret name of the Plame Woman, causing shame and obloquy to be heaped on the head of Lewis Called Scooter, a good and faithful servant of Our Lord George and Vice Lord Dick.

Now, the Plame Woman had sent her husband, Joseph, to the Land of Niger in search of the Secret of the Yellow Cake. When Joseph returned, he told the Plame Woman he had learned that Our Lord was a liar and she said to him: "Joseph, you have done well. Now go forth and broadcast these lies the world." And Joseph did this in an op-ed for the Jerusalem End Times, where he charged that the Mesopotamian Saddamites had not sought the Yellow Cake as Our Lord had alleged.

Now, when this was learned by Our Lord George, he was sorely distressed. For had he not proclaimed in the run-up to the great Mesopotamian War the True Gospel of Nucular Weapons? Had he not prophesied that great blackness and flames would appear in the sky and mass destruction descend on the land unless American Legionnaires conquered Mesopotamia and the Saddamites?

Our Lord summoned Vice Lord Dick to the Whited Temple and complained that he was being branded a liar. Vice Lord Dick spoke to him as follows: "Lord, we are treading in camel dung with an election coming up. My advice is impeach the Plame Woman by revealing that she is a member of the CIA band of traitors." To this plan Our Lord George assented.

And so the Vice Lord summoned unto him his loyal servant Lewis and told him the Lord's plan. And Lewis the Scooter went forth and whispered the tale into the ear of the scribe Judith Iscariot, who told it to her editors at the Jerusalem End Times.

And so after months had passed Pontius Patrick accused Lewis Called Scooter of leaking the secret name of the Plame Woman to the scribes. "I must save my good and loyal Lewis," cried Vice Lord Cheney, and he waited upon Our Lord George, who consulted with his Chief of Scribe Relations, Scott the Pharisee.

And so on the eve of the Easter weekend Scott the Pharisee summoned the Scribes to the Whited Temple and told them to cease their calumny. For he could now reveal that our Lord George had in his infinite wisdom given his official blessing to his faithful Servant Lewis imparting the mystery of the Yellow Cake and the Plame Woman to favored scribes. "Verily," Scott said, "you're crucifying the wrong man."

The Scribes cried: "Our Lord George is a hypocrite!" And they cried: "Spin not, Scott, or you will reap the next hurricane."

And so Lewis the Scooter was a hero of the realm and Pontius Patrick could wash his hands of the entire case. All thanks to Our Lord George.... [At this point the Codex breaks off.]

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 07:39 PM

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 07:40 PM

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O Reilly

You accuse me of being the provoker maker, but yet you continue to post chiding, proking comments at: 62-71-72-73-75-76-77-78 (with no purpose other than to start a fight) while accusing someone else. How do you respond?

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 07:42 PM

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O'Reilly, why are you expending so much time on the bushbots?

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 07:42 PM

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O'Reilly, thank you for the great pics. They add to the day of posting.

Posted by: Gerald at April 18, 2006 07:42 PM

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nit picking provoker. see how you like it.

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 07:53 PM

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#70 Is there really any such thing as a "purely objective observer?"

Posted by: micki at April 18, 2006 08:35 PM

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 08:35 PM

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93 no. just more or less.

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Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 08:37 PM

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I think an ant could be considered a "purely objective observer" as long as it isn't observing a food source.

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Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 08:39 PM

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Another Tech Riddle:

Danny: What about Room 404?
Hallorann: Room 404?
Danny: You're scared of Room 404, ain't ya?
Hallorann: No I ain't.
Danny: Mr. Hallorann, what is in Room 404?
Hallorann: Nothin'! There ain't nothin' in Room 404. But you ain't got no business goin' in there anyway. So stay out! You understand? Stay out!

What's Room 404?

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 08:42 PM

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An ant can have no misperceptions due to preconceptions or personal interests.

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 08:45 PM

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That's from Stephen King's "The Shining" There was a really gross lady in the bathtub in room 404 if I recall. But I don't know any secret tech reference.

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Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 08:50 PM

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Sal, Its also the "Page Not Found" error number. I think the someone in the tech world who assigned the error number to "Page Not Found" liked that movie.

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 08:52 PM

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Re #95, #97: Ahha! I'm a "more purely objective observer", so long as I'm not at the dinner table. How pure can one get? ;-)>

Posted by: David B. Benson at April 18, 2006 08:53 PM

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Oh, that's right! I'm not much of a techie.

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Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 08:54 PM

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105 I'll give you impartial. . . I'm not sure about objective.

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 08:55 PM

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"I don't think we have to worry about Rumsfeld, he's a ruthless little bastard isn't he?"
- Richard Nixon excerpt white house tapes.

Posted by: Saladin at April 18, 2006 08:55 PM

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Sal, If you didn't remember the movie reference,I never would have put that together!

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 08:56 PM

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#82
Financial firms have to send out checks for under a dollar. The problem is, if they didn't they would have a gigantic slush fund. What do you do with the money?

Posted by: Jeanne at April 18, 2006 08:58 PM

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With both barrels, Jeanne?

"Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow,........ Other than just one stock dropping by $0.09, ALL of my stocks & funds went up. This is a miracle!"
Posted by: Happy wraps up loose ends at April 18, 2006 07:19 PM

I'm glad that you're finally owning up to your real profession, Hapless. And the fact that you are sharing the secret to your "miracle growth" is a sign that maybe you actually aren't as big an idiot as you seem. I know that your expertise is in making things grow, and that some of these "stocks" are rather pleasing to the eye. Others practically grow underfoot without the slightest notice by the untrained eye (oh, look! a quarter). With the weather being a pleasant mix of warm and wet in Houston, the opportunity to advance the prosperity of the garden variety "stocks" is more than just a "sure thing."


"Important FACT: Mr. Tenet was appointed by Bill Clinton back in 1997. As was with Richard Clark, another Clinton-era dot-UN-Connectors!"

Seriously, Hapless. Lay off the fumes. Put down the crack pipe. Stop whatever mind-altering drugs you are imbibing. From the Millenium plot, plots to assassinate the Pope, blow up the RAdisson in Amman Jordan, to set off huge bombs on Mt. Nebo, attack the USS The Sullivans, and plans to blow up LAX, Big Dawg did a lot of thwarting with his badass counterterrorism machine. All this despite the dogged efforts by Republicans to get us all killed by terrorists. When Mr. Bush took office, Republicans actually succeeded in getting almost 5,000 Americans killed by terrorists (3K in the WTC and 2K more in Iraq). And that, Hapless, is a very bad thing. So is the fact that Republicans in the 80s trained and armed the two major assholes in the middle east (Osama and SAddam). Blaming President Clinton for the policies of the Republicans is a typical Conservative effort to lie themselves out of culpability.

Book Deals: I bet for GWBush's Presidency, more books by supposed `insiders' will be published than any other 8-year Presidents in our history."
Posted by: Happy, or not, w/the CIA? at April 18, 2006 07:01 PM

WIth the most secretive and lyingest administration since the Nixon years and with a Rubber Stamp congress that bends to the will of the executive branch (and the corporate elite), not a single investigation or inquiry into the scandals of the day will ever happen. Accountability is a thing of the past (or a thing of the Dems).

"If you, the Bostonian, can't understand my prose, it must mean you are the dimmest bulb in all of Mass ...."
Posted by: Happy to prototypical NE Elitist at April 18, 2006 07:31 PM

Again, blaming others for your failures is telling. The constant demolition of your talking points speaks volumes. Your spelling and syntax are actually the least of your communication problems.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at April 18, 2006 09:01 PM

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Enzyme-based biological fuel cell is built

OXFORD, England, April 18 (UPI) -- Oxford University scientists have built an enzyme based biological fuel cell that takes oxygen and hydrogen from an atmosphere to power electrical devices.

The enzymes used are isolated from naturally occurring bacteria that have evolved to use hydrogen in their metabolic process. The unique features of the enzymes are that they are highly selective and tolerant of gases that poison traditional fuel cell catalysts, such as carbon monoxide and hydrogen sulphide.

Since the enzymes can be grown, they represent a cheap and renewable alternative to the expensive platinum based catalysts used by others in hydrogen fuel cells, the researchers said.

The device built by a team headed by chemistry Professor Fraser Armstrong has a fuel cell consisting of two electrodes coated with the enzymes. They are in a small glass tank containing normal air with a few percent of added hydrogen.

Since the catalysts are selective and tolerant the gases can be mixed avoiding the need for an expensive fuel separation membrane.

Armstrong says the development has broad applications as a robust fuel cell for many utility applications where cost is a major issue, clean fuel sources cannot be guaranteed, and instant power is required.

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Interesting stuff.


capt

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Posted by: Jeanne at April 18, 2006 09:02 PM

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Peace Pole (link).

Let's get a permit to install one hundred of these in Lafayette Park.

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 09:06 PM

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Cool Jeanne. Thank you.

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"You accuse me of being the provoker maker (sic), but yet you continue to post chiding, proking (sic) comments at: 62 ...."
Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 07:42 PM

You can dish it out; but you can't take it. Pathetic whining from the thumbsuckers, as usual. Other than backhanded swipes at Mr. Corn, your efforts here are negligible. You used to post facts mixed with lies to defend Mr. Bush. Those days are long gone. All that remains is the lingering scent of your lies.

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Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 09:17 PM

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tom and katie had their baby - name: suri - no word on whether tom had to add salt or not.

Posted by: James Ha at April 18, 2006 09:28 PM

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Yes, there is a time and a place for peace. But this ain't it.

Where is your kindegarten teacher, ....?"
Posted by: Silent Majority at April 18, 2006 02:53 PM
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"I like Silent Majority, he/she is any blog site owners' friend!"
Posted by: Happy finds loose ends at April 18, 2006 07:19 PM

This is the best example of the kind of inane blather that you ignoramuses typically bring to this blog. And when someone like me calls you on it, you go running to the blogpolice complaining about the lack of civil discourse. Hapless, you are the whiniest of the whiny titty-babies. You can dish it out; but you can't take even the most bland rejoinder.

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"Bush the Decider
David the Free-Fraud Zoner"

Posted by: LBH at April 18, 2006 02:14 PM

Hapless, you are like a freekin parrot trying to get us to take Mr. Corn's intentions and efforts into account. You want us to improve the quality of posts and discussions. Then you and your ilk come here to mock Mr. Corn and make him look bad. Your motto: do as we say, not as we do.

"As for my calling an occassional name, I own up to it! In Moderation! Something to the effect (I think I've said before)...."
Posted by: Happy wraps his ears around his ass at April 18, 2006 07:19 PM

"About a third of the posts dug up by Blade @ #111 are not the Real Deals!"
Posted by: Happy on History Channel at April 15, 2006 12:30 PM

You are a lying coward, Hapless. Not only do you refuse to own up to your name-calling hypocrisy, you run in the opposite direction like a hooker evading the vice squad. You are too chickenshit to accept the fact that you have hypocritically called for civility and engaged in the very thing that you decried. And you wonder why people think you are a world class goober (or are you already aware of the rationale)?

"When something posted leads me to that occassional name-calling, it always means that person has moved into the `danger zone'."

You have been huffing mower-fumes for too long, Hapless. It's rotting your brain. Or maybe my initial diagnosis was more accurate (dementia). When you follow folks into the danger zone, you're asking for trouble, pendejo. You are practically begging for more abuse, the masochist that you are.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at April 18, 2006 09:32 PM

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The baby's name, Suri, came from Hebrew, meaning "princess" or Persian, meaning "red rose", the statement said. (link)

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 09:37 PM

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Pande, Where are the trolls now? (link)

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News outlets resist Scooter Libby subpoenas

A former White House aide fighting perjury charges should not get access to reporters' notes and other newsroom material because they have no relevance to his case, several news outlets told a U.S. judge on Tuesday.

The New York Times, NBC News and Time magazine also argued that press freedom would be damaged if they were forced to hand over the material sought by former vice presidential aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby's defense team.

Libby is charged with lying to investigators as they sought to determine who leaked the identity of a CIA official after her husband accused the Bush administration of manipulating intelligence to build its case for invading Iraq.

His defense team has subpoenaed four reporters and their employers in an effort to show that CIA operative Valerie Plame was widely known to be the wife of the administration critic, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, before her identity was made public by conservative columnist Robert Novak in July 2003.

The news organizations said on Tuesday that Libby does not have a right to material that goes beyond the conversations with reporters cited in his indictment.

Although Mr. Libby has claimed a right to know what information the press corps in general possessed concerning Mrs. Wilson's affiliation with the CIA, under that theory he would be entitled to subpoena all reporters in Washington to learn what they knew and when they knew it," Time magazine said in its filing to the U.S. court in Washington.
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Posted by: Jeanne at April 18, 2006 10:16 PM

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Duke lacrosse player Collin Finnerty sits next to his father Kevin Finnerty [picture] while he waits for his first court apperance in the Durham County Judicial Building on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 in Durham, N.C.

Finnerty was arrested early Tuesday on charges of raping and kidnapping a stripper hired to dance at an off-campus party. (Sara D. Davis/Associated Press)

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 10:20 PM

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Rape....Bobbit...

Posted by: kathleen at April 18, 2006 10:25 PM

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Group files FOIA for Justice Dept. findings on White House involvement in 'phone-jamming scandal'

A Democratic group has filed a Freedom of Information Act request to obtain all findings by the Department of Justice in the probe of White House involvement in New Hampshire's "phone jamming scandal," RAW STORY has found.

"Nearly four years after high-level Republican officials broke the law to prevent people from voting, we still don't know the answer to the question: how high does this go?," Senate Majority Project Executive Director Mike Gehrke said in a press release. "One thing is for certain, the Department of Justice does not investigate the White House after 'normal Election Day activity.'".
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This is what Republicans are doing for the nation and two the nation. When really important things are on the table we are dealing with criminal investigations. This is on a daily basis and there is always something new.

Posted by: Jeanne at April 18, 2006 10:26 PM

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Tuesday night funnies, copied and pasted from DKos:

"The bad news is Iran is capable of making a nuclear bomb. The good news is they have to drop it from a camel."
---David Letterman

"According to Washington insiders, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan could be the next official to leave the Bush administration. McClellan says he'd like to spend more time lying for his family."
---Amy Poehler

"A UCLA study shows 7% of people still believe in the Easter Bunny. I believe these are the same people who believe President Bush is doing a good job in Iraq."
---Jay Leno

O'Reilly, I've never liked the term "troll." I never thought it an apt descriptor for the Bush-oisie. I see them more as a Happy band of simpletons (obviously, the one on the right is very Happy). "Clown," I believe, is a more accurate appellation. They give me the giggles. My daughter sez they give her the creeps. I can dig that.

This gave me the creeps. I can't imagine putting my daughter through the ceremony. ANd for some strange reason, this gave me the creeps, too. Not the Mehlman aspect, just the way Patriotboy goes after him.

I really dig seeing this. Never liked him. Never will.

As the ship of state tips and plunges, this little chair goes over here and that little chair goes over there; but the bloodied face of Field Marshall von Rumsfeld remains the figurehead.

Yup, that's why Gallup affirms his status as Mr. 36%.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at April 18, 2006 10:30 PM

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Democratic Congressmen ask Bush about reports of US military operations in Iran
RAW STORY
Published: Monday April 17, 2006

Two Democratic Congressmen have written letters to President Bush on the heels of a growing number of news reports that American forces may have already begun military operations in Iran, RAW STORY has found.

Both House members express concern that if the stories are true, then the president may have acted unilaterally without first obtaining proper authorization from Congress.

"Recently, it has been reported that U.S. troops are conducting military operations in Iran," wrote Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) last Friday. Kucinich is the Ranking Democrat on the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations.

"If true, it appears that you have already made the decision to commit U.S. military forces to a unilateral conflict with Iran, even before direct or indirect negotiations with the government of Iran had been attempted, without UN support and without authorization from the U.S. Congress," Kucinich continued.


"I am the decider and I have made the decision" Bush said. JUST KIDDING
more at raw story

Posted by: kathleen at April 18, 2006 10:31 PM

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Dear President Bush:

Recently, it has been reported that U.S. troops are conducting military operations in Iran. If true, it appears that you have already made the decision to commit U.S. military forces to a unilateral conflict with Iran, even before direct or indirect negotiations with the government of Iran had been attempted, without UN support and without authorization from the U.S. Congress.

The presence of U.S. troops in Iran constitutes a hostile act against that country. At a time when diplomacy is urgently needed, it escalates an international crisis. It undermines any attempt to negotiate with the government of Iran. And it will undermine U.S. diplomatic efforts at the U.N.

Furthermore, it places U.S. troops occupying neighboring Iraq in greater danger. The achievement of stability and a transition to Iraqi security control will be compromised, reversing any progress that has been cited by the Administration.

It would be hard to believe that such an imprudent decision had been taken, but for the number and variety of sources confirming it. In the last week, the national media have reported that you have in fact commenced a military operation in Iran. Today, retired Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner related on CNN that the Iranian Ambassador to the IAEA, Aliasghar Soltaniyeh, reported to him that the Iranians have captured dissident forces who have confessed to working with U.S. troops in Iran. Earlier in the week, Seymour Hersh reported that a U.S. source had told him that U.S. marines were operating in the Baluchi, Azeri and Kurdish regions of Iran.

Any military deployment to Iran would constitute an urgent matter of national significance. I urge you to report immediately to Congress on all activities involving American forces in Iran. I look forward to a prompt response.

Sincerely, Dennis J. Kucinich Member of Congress

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Posted by: kathleen at April 18, 2006 10:34 PM

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#134
to this nation not two this nation. Jeez

Posted by: Jeanne at April 18, 2006 10:38 PM

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Oh, oh...Pande sez to a resident troll "you're asking for trouble, pendejo. You are practically begging for more abuse, the masochist that you are."

Maybe the troll is Snotty McClellan?!! Snotty loves abuse as evidenced by his willingness to take abuse from the "librul" media, tho he doesn't get enough of it.

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#124 tom and katie had their baby

tom and katie who?

Posted by: micki at April 18, 2006 10:44 PM

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Ignoring The Assault On Gaza


When human rights activists claim that the U.S. is sabotaging any potential peace process, they donÕ´ mean just the stuff that reaches the headlines, like stopping crucial aid to the new Palestinian Authority government.This morning, HaÕ¡retz reports that the U.S. has blocked a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning IsraelÕ³ recent, continuous, indiscriminate shelling of the Gaza Strip.

Since last Friday, Israel has been pouring more than 300 artillery shells a day into Gaza, the most densely-populated region on the planet. ThatÕ³ 2,100 shells. At least 18 Gazans, including Khadeel Ghabeen, an 8-year-old girl, have been killed. Scores have been wounded, including 11 other members of GhabeenÕ³ family.

The entire month of April so far has been marked by shellings and missile attacks by Israeli airships and naval vessels, including the destruction of PA President Mahmoud AbbasÕ helicopter pad in Gaza as he came to visit the strip.


at Tom Paine

Posted by: kathleen at April 18, 2006 10:46 PM

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Ignoring The Assault On Gaza


When human rights activists claim that the U.S. is sabotaging any potential peace process, they donÕ´ mean just the stuff that reaches the headlines, like stopping crucial aid to the new Palestinian Authority government.This morning, HaÕ¡retz reports that the U.S. has blocked a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning IsraelÕ³ recent, continuous, indiscriminate shelling of the Gaza Strip.

Since last Friday, Israel has been pouring more than 300 artillery shells a day into Gaza, the most densely-populated region on the planet. ThatÕ³ 2,100 shells. At least 18 Gazans, including Khadeel Ghabeen, an 8-year-old girl, have been killed. Scores have been wounded, including 11 other members of GhabeenÕ³ family.

The entire month of April so far has been marked by shellings and missile attacks by Israeli airships and naval vessels, including the destruction of PA President Mahmoud AbbasÕ helicopter pad in Gaza as he came to visit the strip.


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Posted by: kathleen at April 18, 2006 10:48 PM

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Back when Mr. Corn bagged Mr. Novak for outing V. Plame, Perfesser Reynolds at InstaPundit directed his goobers to this site; and they came sloshing through here, talking nonsense about Plame not being a covert agent. Glenn Reynolds always has some rather entertaining theories on his blog. If you go through his older stuff, you can find him saying some mindbendingly hilarious crap. Glenn Reynolds, writing in Reason in 1999:
"[O]ur current situation--with so many foreign troop deployments that even military buffs can't keep track of them all and with wars initiated essentially on presidential whim--would have horrified the Framers."

And speaking of rightwing bloggers, the folks at Time's 2004 Blog of the Year want to criminalize prize-winning journalists. Something about the Truth being a danger to the citizenry.

The Truth never made its way past the lips of a Conservative. Too much trouble, too much haarrrrd work, telling the Truth.

The Big Money Media isn't helping matters any. They hide the ugly facts about the Republican party.

Democrats keep screaming about investigating and uncovering the Truth. Republicans won't have any Truthtelling. Not on their watch. Not while they're in the majority. Mr. Bush must be protected, kept in a bubble, wrapped in a cocoon of safety.

Posted by: Pandemoniac at April 18, 2006 10:55 PM

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Wild but True?
Dan Froomkin | washingtonpost.com | 4/11/06

President Bush dismissed reports that he is planning to attack Iran as "wild speculation" yesterday. But that's a far cry from saying it flatly ain't so.

And Bush -- who, it is now abundantly clear, secretly decided to go to war in Iraq long before he admitted as much in public -- lacks credibility on such issues.

One report, from Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker, describes the president as feeling a sense of personal obligation to overthrow the government of Iran. A similar sense of mission in Iraq -- shared only with his confidantes -- prompted the relentless march to war there even as the administration claimed it was hoping for a diplomatic solution.

Read more here (link)

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 10:56 PM

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April 24, 2006 Issue
Copyright ? 2006 The American Conservative
Insecurity With Insolvency

The presidentÕ³ National Security Strategy is vague on fiscal details and ignores geopolitical realities.

By Andrew J. Bacevich

Taken at face value as an actual blueprint for policy, President BushÕ³ new National Security Strategy, which appeared last month, flunks. It fails because it disregards the first principle of strategy: the imperative of balancing means and ends. The presidentÕ³ latest effort to define AmericaÕ³ purpose in the world comes chock-full of declarations, exhortations, and gaseous generalities, many of them lifted from the 2002 version of this document. But this 49-page report, which is almost entirely devoid of facts, never bothers to consider how we got into our current mess in the first place or how weÕ²e going to pay for the ÒŒong WarÓ that the president has contrived as the best way to get us out.

I donÕ´ mean to give the impression that the document is entirely lacking in specifics. Careful readers will learn here that the administration has launched a three-year, $900 million initiative to provide clean drinking water to impoverished Africans. To Òµndertake transformational changeÓ in the developing world, it is also contributing $1.5 billion to the Millennium Challenge Corporation. And itÕ³ kicking in $1.2 billion for the effort to reduce the incidence of malaria worldwide. What the National Security Strategy does not note is that the combined spending on all of these worthy programs equals the amount weÕ²e pouring down the rat hole known as Iraq every two weeks. In fact, anyone interested in the current or projected costs of the Iraq War, or of the Afghan War for that matter, will have to look elsewhere. The strategists inhabiting the White House do not bother themselves with such trivialities.

War costs are not the only figures that this document delicately overlooks. Readers of the National Security Strategy will find no mention of U.S. government indebtedness, currently hovering above $8.3 trillion, including an increase of $1.1 trillion since the Republican Party gained control of the executive and legislative branches in 2001. Similarly, the authors of this document offer no data on U.S. trade relations, although last yearճ current accounts deficit topped $800 billion, over 7 percent of the nationճ GDP. The numbers for 2006 promise to be worse still, but you wonմ learn that from White House strategists. Although balancing the federal budget once ranked as a core Republican valueѲemember Ikeճ promise of ҳecurity with solvencyӿѴhe Bush team does not trouble itself with such irksome details. The National Security Strategy is silent on the size of the federal deficit, which last year came in at a whopping $427 billion.

Great article at american conservative

Posted by: kathleen at April 18, 2006 10:57 PM

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This really cracked me up!

When Snotty McClellan was asked if he would resign under Josh Bolten's plan to "reenergize the team," Snotty said: "I never speculate about personnel measures."

Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert must be ecstatic that this material just keeps on coming...

Posted by: micki at April 18, 2006 11:01 PM

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After a five-month trial, a federal jury convicted Ryan on all 18 felony charges against him, including racketeering conspiracy, mail fraud, tax evasion, and making false statements. During his tenure as both secretary of state and governor, Ryan was found to have steered state contracts to cronies in return for cash and gifts, misused campaign funds, and rigged the Illinois inspector general's office to cover up his tracks. Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special counsel in the CIA leak case, who is also the U.S. attorney for Illinois, called the former governor's actions "a low watermark of public service." (link)

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 11:11 PM

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Snotty said: "I never speculate about personal measures."

Posted by: O'Reilly at April 18, 2006 11:15 PM

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Blade:

Your rants are becoming reruns!

On a great once- or twice-a-year day like today, I am quite forgiving and just want to thank you for laying plenty of tributes to us. You are always good on about a 4 to 1 Return! I wish you were a `stock' play! I can short you or go long and score every time!

If "you can't get no, satisfaction" (Stones) elsewhere, you are welcome to keep on bashing us Righties. It hurts so good (Melloncamp)! We are here to please!

Posted by: Happy, to the Nth Power at April 18, 2006 11:15 PM

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Kathleen & Saladin -- you won't be "happy" to hear this, if you haven't already...tho, it's just a "possibility" at this point.

Snotty may be leaving and one of the possible replacements is Dan Senor who was a flack for the Coalition Provisional Authority.

¥ In 1993 Senor did an internship
Ê(http://www.aipac.org/documents/internship.html) at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a powerful pro-Israel lobby organization which some regard as being affiliated to the Likud party. AIPAC's website quotes him as saying: "Whether I was learning the ins and outs of Washington with my fellow interns or attending briefings on Capitol Hill, my internship at AIPAC prepared me for my work in politics".

His sister, Wendy Senor Singer, heads AIPAC's office in Jerusalem. His brother-in-law, Saul Singer, is the very right-wing opinion editor of the Jerusalem Post.

¥ Senor is listed as a directorÊ(http://www.usibex.org/directors.cfm) on the website of USIBEX, the US-Israel Business Exchange. It describes him as a Senior Associate of the Carlyle Group. It is not clear from the website if this information is still current.

¥ Senor worked for the Carlyle Group as a venture capitalist from 2001 to 2003.Ê(http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0312.whoswho.html) The Carlyle Group is a venture capital company specializing in defence and industry which has strong ties to the Bush family.

¥ Before going to Baghdad, Senor was briefly deputy to White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan.

Posted by: micki at April 18, 2006 11:16 PM

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A "Pulitzer Prize for Treason"
Glenn Greenwald | 4/18/06

Yesterday, James Risen and Eric Lichtblau received well-deserved Pulitzer Prizes for "national reporting" based on their (year-long-delayed) disclosure of the President's illegal NSA eavesdropping program. That award has set off a new slew of bitter commentary from Bush supporters, including Bennett, proclaiming that Risen and Lichtblau belong in prison. On his radio show this morning, the great free press crusader Bennett said: "I think what they did is worthy of jail."

(link)

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Ms. Saladin, we have CDs at work that we use to "reimage" computers back to their original state. Data is saved on a server or mainframe; so there are no personal files to worry about. With a personal PC, I know the frustration of wanting to "start fresh" without losing valuable files. Backup is my friend.

Micki, I know Grand Dame Strayhorn worries about the abuse that her baby must endure. I suspect her desire to run roughshod over the GOP in Texas has something to do with her son being sacrificed at the altar of the White House Press briefing room. I read and reread, the story about the possible Military Coup, but I just couldn't get into it. I know way too many loyal, patriotic military folks to believe that they would contemplate altering the power structure that currently exists. The really sad part about Field Marshall von Rumsfeld is the fact that he has so many recent military interventions to learn from: Bosnia, Mogadishu, Haiti, Iraq pt. I, Afghanistan, Vietnam. None of the lessons of the previous nation-building efforts seem to have sunken in. It's like he's purposely trying to screw things up. He's offered to resign. Lots of other folks have talked about getting him fired. Mr. Bush just loves to rally around his losers.

O'Reilly, I don't know what it says about me, but it seems that a better name for that fractal would be "aerial view of a stripper wearing a fedora."

"Your rants are becoming reruns! ... you are welcome to keep on bashing us Righties. It hurts so good (Melloncamp)! We are here to please!"
Posted by Happy, to the Nth Power at April 18, 2006 11:15 PM

Your ongoing hypocrisy and your refusal to own up to your lying ways makes the plaint a rerun. Quit yer whiny titty-baby routine. Try telling the truth every oncet in a while. You'll get a different result. Forgiving? Forgive me for pointing out the glaring flaws in your wildly idiotic comments? I forgive you for being a walking GOP talking point. You oughta try reading a bit more and posting an original thought. You might like it even more than the ritual abuse.

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#135
Pande,
If my dad had been forced to take me to a father daughter ball he would have been outside with all the other dads having a smoke. He would have been bored to tears. His mind would have been on the golf course. That's if you managed to get him there.

Yeah, on second though