By the way, if any reader has seen a follow-up to the point I wrote about below--that the White House has been inquiring about the partisan affiliations of CIA officers--please post a link in the comments section.

We're on it David!

David:

This was linked to in the previous thread, but if you missed it...

From Wayne Madsen:

April 24, 2006 -- WMR has received information from a veteran member of the U.S. Intelligence Community that fired CIA Inspector General (IG) officer, 61-year old veteran CIA employee Mary O. McCarthy, was the result of a White House-launched political vendetta designed to ferret out pro-Democrats in the CIA. The source also revealed that McCarthy, who was fired rather than being permitted to resign, is almost certain to write a tell-all book that will reveal even more misconduct and illegal activity, in addition to secret prisons and rendition flights, on the part of the Bush administration and CIA director Porter Goss. These may include CIA drug smuggling activities to support off-the-books operations and targeted assassinations. McCarthy, as an IG officer, would have known about all CIA misdeeds reported through her office.

Inside sources report that McCarthy must have ran afoul of the Bush administration early on. After serving as a National Intelligence Officer and liaison to the White House National Security Council, it was clear that McCarthy was purposely kept out of clandestine operations, science and technology operations, and analysis. Instead of being assigned to writing CIA histories or arranging for special guest visits, where she could have been kept under surveillance by security, McCarthy was placed within the IG. However, if retaliation against McCarthy was the goal of the White House, assigning McCarthy to the IG turned out to be the worst thing the Bush team could have done. There, McCarthy was able to amass complaints about abuse and other activities from scores of CIA agents -- information that was later leaked to the media. There is still no confirmation that McCarthy was the leaker, however, the fact that she had already been reassigned from mainstream CIA operations and supposedly failed a polygraph, made her a convenient target for the Bush administration.

An intelligence professional who knows McCarthy reports that she discovered sensational illegal activities by the CIA and was stymied by the Inspector General senior management. McCarthy is said by a colleague to be a devout Catholic who must have bent the rules only out of religious impulses and a high degree of frustration.

The intelligence community source also confirmed past CIA activities in drug smuggling, which have now been resumed by Porter Goss. Three CIA proprietary airlines that flew in Laos during the Indochina war flew heroin from the Golden Triangle in Burma to South Vietnamese and American intermediaries for street distribution to U.S. troops in South Vietnam. The CIA proprietary airlines involved were Air America, Byrd and Sons, and Continental Air Services, Inc. (CASI). CASI, based in Vientiane, Laos, flew the most lucrative aircraft for hauling large amounts of heroin -- ironically, the Swiss-built Pilatus "Porter" -- which could haul large amounts of drugs, 15 armed men, and land uphill on remote airstrips in Laos.

Porter Goss was a clandestine CIA officer in Latin America during the height of the CIA's illegal drug smuggling activities. The current leaks of information about renewed CIA drug smuggling activities are clearly an attempt by some CIA professionals to link Goss to past illegal activities.

Cruel Science
The Long Shadow of CIA Torture Research
By ALFRED W. McCOY

The photos from Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison are snapshots, not of simple brutality or a breakdown in discipline, but of CIA torture techniques that have metastasized, over the past 50 years, like an undetected cancer inside the US intelligence community.

From 1950 to 1962, the CIA led massive, secret research into coercion and consciousness that reached a billion dollars at peak. After experiments with hallucinogenic drugs, electric shocks, and sensory deprivation, this CIA research produced a new method of torture that was psychological, not physical--best described as "no touch torture."

The CIA's discovery of psychological torture was a counter-intuitive break-through--indeed, the first real revolution in this cruel science since the 17th century. In its modern application, the physical approach required interrogators to inflict pain, usually by crude beatings that often produced heightened resistance or unreliable information. Under the CIA's new psychological paradigm, however, interrogators used two essential methods, disorientation and self-inflicted pain, to make victims feel responsible for their own suffering.

In the CIA's first stage, interrogators employ simple, non-violent techniques to disorient the subject. To induce temporal confusion, interrogators use hooding or sleep deprivation. To intensify disorientation, interrogators often escalate to attacks on personal identity by sexual humiliation.

Once the subject is disoriented, interrogators move on to a second stage with simple, self-inflicted discomfort such as standing for hours with arms extended. In this phase, the idea is to make victims feel responsible for their own pain and thus induce them to alleviate it by capitulating to the interrogator's power.

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From the author of "The Politics of Heroin"

There are leaks because there are some people who choose good over evil or bad programs. They leak to help inform Americans.

Black Budgets

Please excuse the repeat of this post but it seems to fit well with the other posts.

I enjoy listening to George Noorey on Coast to Coast from 1:00 to 4:00 am. He had Catherine Austin Fitts on his program. She worked for bush I and Clinton. Her website is www.solar.com. She talked about the black budgets. I took down four pages of notes but I will try to condense them into my typing skills of picking and pecking.

Government corruption is rampant. There is no one to audit the books and $4 trillion cannot be accounted for. We are being manipulated by covert criminal organizations. The government corruption became big time with passage of the National Security Act in 1947 and the CIA Act in 1949. Money is going into these organizations but we do not know how it is being spent. There is no accountability. Legal and executive orders give people a license to steal. The Iran-Contra Fraud was approved at the HIGHEST LEVEL. Covert organizations are siphoning off billions of dollars that are not accountable to anyone.

America's rise to power is funded by drug money and organized crime money. Dirty money keeps America going. Stock markets would go down if we stopped this dirty money from propping up the stock markets. Executive orders in 1989 helped to siphon off the money with no accountability. People in government are involved in drug trafficking. Christian organizations take the dirty money and they shut up about the fraud. Are faith-based money given to have the Christian organizations to shut up? The CIA is involved in drug trafficking.

American money is moved to Asia and this money comes back to buy American land and resources. 9/11 slammed the door on the investigation of the $4 trillion that was lost or laundered. 9/11 made money for these covert criminal organizations. Muslim fundamentalists may have been a tool in 9/11 in order to stop the criminal investigation of laundered money.

Americans need to ask questions. The SEC knows who sold stocks short from 9/11 but they won't let anyone know who sold their stocks short and made mega bucks from their transactions. Americans want their paycheck and not the truth. 9/11 was planned to cover up the illegal laundering of $4 trillion. The people who planned 9/11 were involved in the most successful piracy in American history.

Drug money and organized crime money are propping up the stock markets. Jobs and money are being shipped aboard. The middle class and our Constitution are being destroyed. Catastrophic events happen to stop the depression. Small numbers of people are profiting and our planet is being destroyed.

Where does evil come from? No one really knows why there is evil. We are prisoners of the system of corruption and fraud. The people who engage in evil don’¥ care about people and they are demonic in nature. If you go along with the system, you won’¥ be killed.

War and covert interventions have kept economies going. Corruption and fraud also keep our economies going. We have a consumer vote and not just a political vote. We have a very manipulated stock market. Alternative energies have been suppressed. Money is not being used to optimize our planet. We are destroying our planet. Popular support is important to change the system but corrupt officials win elections. America is the most powerful nation in the world and we are not cleaning up our act.

I was able to take notes from Catherine Austin Fitts' interview on the George Noorey show. The notes are from questions that callers asked Ms. Fitts. I did not write down the questions but only some of her answers. Ms. Fitts said that money is being siphoned from social security in order to destroy social security. 9/11 was an inside job. Globalists want global government, money, control, and population control. Ms. Fitts said that America and the world need a spiritual change where everyone is accepted and not deny the good things on our planet.

There is no money in the social security fund. Privatization of social security will destroy small businesses. There is too much money wasted in our present system. Drug money is being laundered by both parties. The rich are taking advantage of the middle class and the poor. Modern media has not helped the people by investigating and by giving us the truth about our government. Our economy is ripping off the average citizen. Americans are financially drained and now they are being drained emotionally and psychologically. Iraq is a very dangerous place for our soldiers because Iraq is very corrupt and we cannot receive the information that we need to make decisions.

The American government wants Americans to be stupid. Stupid people can be controlled. If you have an education and information, the people will have power. Our government wants to keep Americans powerless and stupid.

China is thinking of converting to the Euro. If China does convert to the Euro, our dollar will fall and interest rates will rise and we will have serious economy problems. It was publicized that Iraq was planning to convert to the Euro and that was one of the reasons why we attacked Iraq. In Gordon Thomas' book, "Seeds of Fire" he says that China will have nuclear weapons parody with America in 2015. America can never permit this to happen. America desires to be the only superpower because she will be able to dictate what countries can and cannot do. Will America attack China in a preemptive war before 2015?

I like it when cornbloggers link to long articles and include one or two or three of the best paragraphs to entice readers but not more and not all. Conversly, it can be unappealing to see long posts of complete articles,of two or three or more pages of information. IMHO

Gerald,
Just a tip, but if you catch NPR from Sirius, some types of Sirius units can record programs. For instance, the unit I have records up to 45 minutes of satellite programming. Might save you from a sore hand ;)

Gerald,

Catherine Austin Fitts' website is

Repeal the FIRST Amendment!!!

Whenever I read stories like this and think back to all the useless reports I had to write for my history classes in high school about a free press being a check and balance of the government and how much "better" we were than the commie heathens in the USSR who were spoon-fed the godless propaganda of Pravda, I sincerely hope that the only question on SATs and Regents exams now is: Fox "news" is the gospel...TRUE or FALSE???

Must be a secret...no, I must have messed up the link:

Solari.com

One of the aides, whose identity Knight Ridder is not disclosing because he served under cover, has been "going around telling people they are to fire 80 to 90 people" in the Directorate of Operations, the CIA's covert arm, according to a former official.

From the article:

"...But the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said they were concerned by the partisan affiliation of Goss' team.

"If he has brought strongly partisan staff with him _ and he has _ that seems to call (Goss's pledge) into question," said another top official, who recently left the CIA...."
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This story is not new -- but it is instructive as a reminder about a mind-set in this cabal in the WH. It is apparently okay for bushevik-friendly, partisian CIA officers to remain as spooks, but if a CIAer is deemed as having partisan "affiliation" that is counter to their agenda, they have to go -- through intimidation, firing, or who knows what.........

Mr. Corn:

How can the administration be sure of "loyalty" when questioning partisan affiliation given the current poll numbers? As we all know, many Republicans are turning coat.

Bush, himself, pledged that his Justice Dept. etc. would seek out all whistleblowers upon Dana Priest's revelations. As he did with James Risen's. Whether they be partisan or not would seem to me to be unrevealing in their search for "bad" leaks. Even the administration could figure that out, or could they? Bushco is never going to stop people who feel strongly about the truth and violation's of this country's code of ethics.

NBC: CIA officer fired after admitting leak (link)

On April 22, 2006 - 12:53pm rdf said: (link)
Just a quick question, how could Ms. McCarthy be fired for leaking information about a program that doesn't exist?

Suppose she had leaked the information that the director kept a three foot wide wheel of cheddar cheese in his office. Would she be fired for that?

Apparently the CIA has just admitted that the secret prisons exist. Oops...

Exactly Micki.

That gem didn't even occur to me yet. Thanks O'Reilly.

By Robert Parry
April 23, 2006

Much more.

I've got an interesting little tidbit, off subject that it is. When told about Bin Laden's audio tape this weekend, my sister replied off the cuff, "Oh shit, Bin Laden's got to be on Bush's payroll." How do explain the timeliness of his videotape released just before the 2004 election, she went on. Either that, or on the CIA payroll. It would explain alot of things. While my sister has never been one to dive into conspiracy theory, she has a major point. This audiotape release is fairly timed to meet Bush's low poll ratings. And. perhaps, timed to prime us for the upcoming bombing of Iran and unbeknown to them, the ensuing global fiasco. All in hopes of getting good election results, just in case tampering with the voting machines doesn't work.

I didn't complete #16. I forgot this. My sister said, well think about it. In this most recent tape Bin Laden is including the people who voted for Bush as well. The whole of the U.S. is implicated. That's a great bone chiller. Perfect for Bush's needs. Scare us into submission to his every messianic whim. As Hersh's article says, Bush thinks Iran will be his true legacy, having messed up Iraq and all.

Pande

5 years of no growth is bullshit. How many times did big dawg have to veto big spending and shut down the government to keep the Grand Ol Spending Party from busting the budget that he purposed? If it weren't for the steady hand of Clinton and support of fiscally responsible Democrats, the deficit would be infintely worse than it is now.

Posted by Cornfused Pande

Pande again needs to be educated with facts.

The Price of Failure: The Costs of not Balancing the Budget.

Joint Economic Committee - Congress of the United States. December 1995

For the first time in 25 years (25 years of the grand ol spending party of Democrat majority) the US Congress has passed a credible plan to balance the budget. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the Republican proposal will actually generate a budget surplus in the year 2002. President Clinton, however, has vetoed the plan passed by Congress, advocating more SPENDING and ADDITIONAL DEBT ACCUMULATION. Such an action could end up costing a typical American family more than $2300 a year.

President Clinton has come out publicly in favor of balancing the budget within seven years, as proposed by the Republicans. However, at various times Clinton has also pledged to balance the budget within five years, within nine years, and within ten years. Unfortuntately, Clinton has yet to submit a budget proposal that comes anywhere near balance at any point, much less within seven, or even ten years.

In light of the fact that economic well-being of families will be lower if the budget is balanced, Clinton's current DELAYING tatics on the budget suggest that he is more interested in partisan politics than in policies to help middle class Americans.

Pande:

I don't blame you for being ignorant of the facts. Clinton was great at being a used car salesman. With customers like you he knew he could rewrite history.

Pande, Get a new debating partner. It's getting embarrasing.

Mr. David Corn,

I believe "party" does not matter as much as blind loyalty. Party might be part of the equation but the real measure is blind silent loyalty.

If the case can be made that this WH has singled out only Democrats it is easy enough to purge a few Republicans that are not in full party before country mode.

Seems to me the issue is not just party as there are surely some "Lieberman" like DINO’s that will not be purged and a few GOPher heads that could roll as token confirmation that party is not the issue.

Thanks

Kirk

Works for other things as well: No guns, no deaths by guns. No nukes, no threat of nuclear war. No religion, no religion-induced violence. No thinking, no progress.

With McCarthy, "you have somebody being fired from the CIA for allegedly telling the truth, and you have no one fired from the White House for revealing a CIA agent in order to support a lie. That underscores whatís really wrong in Washington, D.C."

It?s NOT Fascism . . . (pic)

Chief of CIA's Investment Group Resigns
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: April 24, 2006
Filed at 2:05 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The new chief of the CIA's venture capital organization, In-Q-Tel, has resigned after just four months on the job.

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Family reasons given...no party affiliation noted.

#6 citizen x, thank you for the information!

#7 Robert Schwartz, Sorry, I messed up and the Fitts' website is solari.com!

Dan Froomkin has linked to you under the heading "The Graph that Roared"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html

#6 citizen x, thank you for the information!

#7 Robert Schwartz, Sorry, I messed up and the Fitts' website is solari.com!

Leaks are important, especially if they inform us with the truth. Bushitler's regime contrive and make-up the news.

Please believe one fact! America right or wrong?
America right, yes; but never accept America wrong!

Carey, that OBL tape is a rerun. And on your post from the previous thread regarding thermite used on the WTC, I did see that photo several days ago but am unsure of the claim. I showed it to my husband who believes it could have also been cut with an oxy-acetylene torch, he asked when the photo was taken which I thought was a very relevent question. I put out a few feelers on the web to see if anyone knows the date. Hopefully there will be an answer.

America, right or wrong: when right, to be kept right, and when wrong, to be put right - Navy Cmdr. Steven Decatur

The link to Catherine Austin Fitts in "Black budgets" above should be: http://www.solari.com/

Micki, thank you for another limerick regarding 'lube' and 'Qaqaa', on the previous thread.

#30 Robert Schwartz, great quote!!!

#31 sparafucilli, more help and info the better!!!

Another common sense, down-to-earth column from Molly Ivins. This was posted on April 16th, but it applies to the 60 Minutes piece last night (that it did good in speaking to a wider audience) and on immigration.

Link

Reading her always makes me feel a little better about things.

#30 R. Swartz

Yes, great quote. And to think I live right down the street from an elementary school named after him.

Schwartz. Sorry about that. Too hurried.

Saladin,

I believe the photo you reference was taken at the same time (lighting, colors, etc) that that big-assed "Murcan Flag" was first hoisted there. (9-12?)

Given the distance (and due to an almost infinite depth-of-field with the long lens, it is difficult to say) that looks like one BIG ASSED box column!

The men who create power make an indispensable contribution to the Nation's greatness, but the men who question power make a contribution just as indispensable..."

Kennedy Speaks –†Robert Frost Library Groundbreaking 1963 (audio)

Hajji, if that's true then that photo is VERY damning evidence against the official conspiracy theory.

Right or Wrong

Dear Cornposters:

Navy Commander Steven Decatur summarizes it best with his quote. "America, right or wrong: when right, to be kept right, and when wrong, to be put right." Americans cannot sit idly by and accept the lies and wrongs of our government officials and our politicians who walk K Street as prostitutes. Plus, we cannot accept talk show prostitutes' commentaries. Here are some names of talk show prostitutes. They are Rush Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Robertson, and Bill Bennett. We also have columnists who are prostitutes like Buchanan, Robert Novak, and Charles Krauthammer. I cannot figure out Chris Matthews as to whether or not he is a prostitute or a pimp.

Make no mistake, Cornposters, America is a land of prostitutes!!!

Sincerely,

Gerald

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White House Briefing
Should Cheney Be Next?
Dan Froomkin | WaPo | 4/24/06

The Graph That Roared
It's often said that you never know where you're going to find a front-page story in The Washington Post. Well, here's a corollary: You never know where you're going to find the biggest news in a front-page story.

In R. Jeffrey Smith and Dafna Linzer's 's front-pager in Sunday's Post on the firing of the CIA officer, the biggest news arguably comes in the second-to-last paragraph:

"The White House also has recently barraged the agency with questions about the political affiliations of some of its senior intelligence officers, according to intelligence officials."

Why do they want to know? What are they being told? What do they intend to do with such information? Have we gotten to a point where there are two different kinds of intelligence: Democratic and Republican? So many questions.

The Nation's David Corn was among several bloggers who read all the way to the end.

(link)

Please excuse me for forgetting to have Thomas Sowell's name as one of the columnists' prostitutes.

Link-"To Blog or Not To Blog"

I learned of this brouhaha on Saturday in the LA Times. I saved it for today for cornbloggers as I knew more info would come out about it, not in the LA Times. Michael Hiltzik, who writes a column for the paper, has posted items under several pseudonyms in his own company-approved blog! Doesn't that beat all? A crime related to, but not as serious as plagiarism.

Jumpin' Jack Flash!

It's a gas!!!

Here is what prostitutes lay on us

#44 Robert Schwartz, it's about time someone stood up to that punk, Bushitler!!!

Tell me!!!!! Who in their right mind can accept a murderer and a war criminal like Bushitler?

I don't know if this link has been posted here yet or not, but it's the Rolling Stones article everyone is talking about, by a renowned historian from Princeton:

Bush: Is This the Worst President in History?

White: ".....probably the only reason this individual leaked information bearing on a highly-classified program is because that program was of questionable moral and legal standing....."

`Questionable' actions are undertaken as a matter of routine or necessity by all kinds of people in all kinds of situations.

IF we permit/encourage every Joe & Mary to leak based on his/her Judgment on what is `Questionable', our open, Democratic society has little or no chance in fighting the real threat that is Radical Islam. Today's multiple killings in Egypt's Sinai area is another stark reminder!!

The BASIC problem of the Left, bottom line, is its Pre-9/11 mindset. Our Islamic enemies are not worried about the MAD doctrine or trying to match our conventional weapons!
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White also believes: "If ...engaged in fewer activities of questionable morality and legality, there would doubtless be less controversy, fewer leaks, a more positive attitude toward the U.S. in the Middle East region (and in the Muslim world more generally), and, perhaps most importantly, less pain all round."

White, and others, can hold to this idealistic belief. However, some of us believe that if ALL of our tactics are: above `Questionable', abide by the Geneva Convention and even accord Aliens the rights of Americans under the US Constitution, it is quite possible that many more deaths and `pain' would have resulted SINCE 9/11 and many more `pain' are forthcoming. The Islamists would be slaughtering us everywhere while we hold ourselves back ?proudly? upholding thier Human Rights!

Carey, I added title of the article claiming Bushitler as the worst president ever to my favorites column. However, I will have to remove it sometime in 2008. The reason for such a removal is that right now the CIA is working on a covert operation of a domestic terrorist attack before the 2008 election in order to have Americans rally around Bushitler and Bushitler will declare martial law and the 2008 elections will be cancelled until further notice. This domestic terrorist attack will be blamed on some Al Qaeda group. Cancellation of the 2008 elections will keep Bushitler in the WH until he dies.

`Questionable' actions are undertaken as a matter of routine or necessity by all kinds of people in all kinds of situations.

Well, let's talk about this particular situation, then, Mr. Ignorance Is Bliss. Do you think that the U.S. should maintain secret prisons in foreign countries in which suspected terrorists are "disappeared" and sometimes tortured? Do our citizens have the right to know about these places operating under our name? Shouldn't we as citizens have the right to debate the very existence of such institutions?

Yes or no?

Let me repeat to the Cornposters!!! THERE WILL BE NO PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN 2008 BECAUSE THE CIA'S PLAN WILL SUCCEED TO BLAME SOME FOREIGN TERRORIST GROUP. Make no mistake it will be a CIA terrorist plot that rallies Americans around their murdering and war criminal president.

Hapless, your contention that 1/3 of Americans are upper-middle and upper class is unsupported by facts. Please cite real numbers not fuzzy logic. Do you have info from the Federal Reserve? In the meantime, look at the historical trends. They don't really paint such a rosy picture of the Bush economy (careful, it's one of those pdf files).

LBH #18,

You think that Republicans magically learned how to balance the budget? You think that the President was to blame for not submitting a balanced budget? You just finished arguing a couple of days ago that it was Congress' job not the President's to balance the budget and to reign in wacky spending. There you go arguing both sides of a point again. Flip-flopping like Mr. Bush won't win you any arguments.

As for balancing the budget, the stage was set in 1993 without the vote of a single Republican. Big Dawg had to set the Republicans straight, time after time after time after time after time after time after time.

Look at the postwar budget. Deficits from 1950 to 1980 went from $257Bil to $930 Bil (~$700Billion increase in 30 years). When Reagan took office, he kicked out the jams and jumped the deficit from about 1 Trillion to 2.5 Trillion in only 8 years. Bush Sr. took it from 2.5T to 4T in 4 years. Dems in Congress took their budgets and didn't do much to them. Pork wasn't the problem back then that it is today under the Grand Ol' Spending Party. The deficit only increased about 1.5T under Clinton which is comparable to Reagan's years even when you take into account the run up in Pork spending under the GoOPers. The conservatives would rather shut down the govt. than balance the budget. They clung to the Paris Hilton Tax Cut like it was their lifeline.

"Pande, Get a new debating partner. It's getting embarrasing."
Posted by: KissAss Con at April 24, 2006 02:12 PM

LBH is the only one who's interested. Hapless, won't play along. Who else is there? Mr. 33% is knocking out any supporters that might even try to debate the merits of his accomplishments.

However, some of us believe that if ALL of our tactics are: above `Questionable', abide by the Geneva Convention and even accord Aliens the rights of Americans under the US Constitution, it is quite possible that many more deaths and `pain' would have resulted SINCE 9/11 and many more `pain' are forthcoming. - Mr. Happy

It is hard to imagine that terrorist threats would have caused more pain and suffering then that which has been unleashed in Iraq, of course Mr. Happy is not concerned with pain and suffering there, just that which occurs here. And as our actions have merely increased the numbers of terrorists, we have no assurances that we will not suffer additionally here, as well.

But, Mr. Happy goes on to reveal another aspect of this philosophy. It does not rest on the high moral authority which America is supposed to gain its legitamacy by. Might makes right. Do unto others...lest they do unto you.

Got to tell you Gerald I don't think that there will be any rallying around this crook no matter what happens. Hell, we could have a UFO land on the white house lawn and it will still be spun by these goobers. Not a critical thinker among them and not a real intellect there either. Yes, there are some very cunning men there but cunning doesn't make critical thinkers. Wild animals and other predators are cunning but not especially smart. Sort of like some of the trolls that are just posting counter arguments to see themselves in print. Pathetic.

Here's something I'd like to know:

Where is it written that the CIA exists to SERVE THE PRESIDENT?

Huh? Wasn't the CIA established to provide analytical, (supposedly) unvarnished information to other areas of the government, including Congress, in addition to the president?

Ever since George H.W. Bush was Director-CIA -- then VP, the President -- and all the neocons started crawling out of the woodwork, the rightwing has tried to manipulate intelligence to justify their policy. To hell with objective analysis informing policy!

We are so f**ked.

Regarding the hapless Happy/LBHer:

Some cause happiness wherever they go, others whenever they go.

***Oscar Wilde***

Curiouser and curiouser:

Secrets of the CIA
A former colleague says the fired Mary McCarthy ‘categorically denies’ being the source of the leak on agency renditions.

By Mark Hosenball and Michael Isikoff
Updated: 4:26 p.m. ET April 24, 2006

April 24, 2006 - A former CIA officer who was sacked last week after allegedly confessing to leaking secrets has denied she was the source of a controversial Washington Post story about alleged CIA secret detention operations in Eastern Europe, a friend of the operative told NEWSWEEK.

The fired official, Mary O. McCarthy, “categorically denies being the source of the leak,” one of McCarthy’s friends and former colleagues, Rand Beers, said Monday after speaking to McCarthy. Beers said he could not elaborate on this denial and McCarthy herself did not respond to a request for comment left by NEWSWEEK on her home answering machine.

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Moves Signal Tighter Secrecy within C.I.A. -- NYT

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#58 Oh, oh!

#55 WTF, good post and I hope you are right!!!!!

#57 micki, happiness will come WHEN THEY GO EARLY!!!!! Hopefully, most of the scoundrels in Congress will be gone after 2006 unless the CIA calls up the domestic terrorist attack before the 2006 election? I still have nightmares about our electronically controlled voting machines that have no paper trail.

There are times when I awake in the middle of the night in a cold sweat from the very thought of our rigged elections.

With all this talk about leaks I have to take a time out for a leak!

Micki #56

National Security Act of 1947

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

SEC. 102A.. [50 U.S.C. 403-1] There is a Central Intelligence Agency. The function of the Agency shall be to assist the Director of Central Intelligence in carrying out the responsibilities referred to in paragraphs (1) through (5) of section 103(d) of this Act.

RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE

SEC. 103. (50 U.S.C. 403-3] (a) PROVISION OF INTELLIGENCE. (1) Under the direction of the National Security Council, the Director of Central Intelligence shall be responsible for providing national intelligence -

(A) to the President;

(B) to the heads of departments and agencies of the executive branch;

(C) to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and senior military commanders; and

(D) where appropriate, to the Senate and House of Representatives and the committees thereof.

More.

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Just for the record...

I'm sorry; it turned out to be a

Thanks, Robert! I knew that -- but seeing it spelled out "for the record" validates my memory.

It's pretty darned clear, isn't it?

It's pretty darned clear, isn't it? - Micki

(D) where appropriate, to the Senate and House of Representatives and the committees thereof.

I dunno, who gets to define "where appropriate"?

Depends on what ("D. where appropriate" means...duddinit?

-T

jinx!

You owe me a (nother) brewski!

-T

Rumsfeld sued over Pentagon's recruiting database By Daniel Trotta
1 hour, 53 minutes ago

Six New York teen-agers sued Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld on Monday, alleging the U.S. Department of Defense broke the law by keeping an extensive database on potential recruits.

The suit in federal court in Manhattan follows a series of allegations last year of misconduct by recruiters, who have experienced difficulty meeting targets because of the war in Iraq.

More.

dudn't matter, though...CIA was handing out "slam dunk" awards, at the time!

slammin' dunks...gettin' medals...that sorta thing...

-T

Robert S., where appropriate will probably be spelled out by the president? We cannot have only Bushitler receive the information because he can no longer be trusted. He lies and falsifies information that the American people will receive. Bushitler disgusts me!!!!!

There's a draft I could support!

The slam dunk of the dry drunk in a war funk.

Here is why I cannot trust Bushitler

micki 56, that's what I keep saying!

Pande

It is the job of Congress to balance the budget, as I said before. It was the Republicans that balanced the budget under Clinton only after a few short years of taking over the majority. The Dems had the previous 25 years to do it and couldn't. It was the Joint Economic Committee of Congress that blamed Clinton of being a lame duck, not I.

You want to take credit for the 1993 biggest tax increase in history, go ahead.

Now you want to go back to 1950 and bring in Ronald Reagan do defend your boy Clinton? Why can't you just use his record? Because we both know it was Newt and not your boy Clinton who deserves the credit for the economy in the 1990's.

I'm really disappointed that you chose not to respond to my previous comment on your racism and ethics post. All well, I guess I'll have to assume I was right and you were wrong.

Bush's approval ratings slide to new low
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush's approval ratings have sunk to a personal low, with only a third of Americans saying they approve of the way he is handling his job, a national poll released Monday said.

In the telephone poll of 1,012 adult Americans carried out Friday through Sunday by Opinion Research Corporation for CNN, 32 percent of respondents said they approve of Bush's performance, 60 percent said they disapprove and 8 percent said they do not know.
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When it gets to 29...I might even buy!

-T

Bushitler is a total liar

How the hell can they NOT KNOW???

Bushitler is not even the equivalent of a pimple on an elephant's ass

#79 Saladin, too many Americans do not have the education to know that Bushitler's is a total liar!!!

Israel raises alert for possible Iranian missile attacks

Israel has raised the vigilance level of its Arrow 2 anti-ballistic missile defense system for fear of possible missile attacks from Iran, local newspaper the Jerusalem Post reported on Monday.

I wonder if we're looking at a possible "false flag"operation here in the coming days. And remember folks, no matter what, Bush has pledged America's defense of Israel.

James ha

Name one President that hasn't pledged to defend Isreal.

Bush Says Massive Deportation Is Not Realistic
Source: Los Angeles Times
URL Source: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news ... .story?coll=orl-home-headlines
Published: Apr 24, 2006

President Bush in Irvine today called for a rational, temporary guest worker program and said that attempting to deport as many as 12 million undocumented workers illegally in the United States was a policy that was not going to work.

"We cannot lose sight of that we are talking about human beings that need to be treated with respect," Bush told the group, adding, "Massive deportation of human beings is not going to work."

As he has before, Bush tried to temper his call for tough enforcement.

"You can be a nation of law and a compassionate nation at the same time," he said.
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HAHAHAHA, what a f**king LAUGH!

Why does Israel need defending? They have bragged of being the worlds 6th largest nuclear power and that their missiles can reach all continents. Seems to me their neighbors are the ones needing defence.

Ray McGovern on "Newshour" tonight...logical, ethical...sensible...

DON'T MISS it!

-T

LBH --- I'm not James Ha (praise the Lord), but would you consider Millard Fillmore to be a ex-president? There. I named one.

Steven Leser writes "The Illinois General Assembly is about to rock the nation. Members of state legislatures are normally not considered as having the ability to decide issues with a massive impact to the nation as a whole. Representative Karen A. Yarbrough of Illinois' 7th District is about to shatter that perception forever. Representative Yarbrough stumbled on a little known and never utlitized rule of the US House of Representatives, Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of the United States House of Representatives, which allows federal impeachment proceedings to be initiated by joint resolution of a state legislature. Good news for a Monday!

#50 GERALD

There are no two ways about it. "Duck and cover" is what I'll subtly hint at to my boy. Just kidding, I wouldn't scare him for a minute. But we should all be scared, very scared.

Straight from the horses mouth.

"We are Judeo-Nazis, and why not? If your nice, civilized parents, rather than writing books about their love for humanity had instead come to Israel and killed six million Arabs, what would have happened? Sure, two or three nasty pages would have been written in the history books, and we would have been called all sorts of names, but we would be here today as a people of 25 million! What you don’¥ seem to understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it.
Ariel Sharon, 1982

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It certainly was a very great one, and it probably outweighs all others. The majority of the leading figures were Jews, and moreover, the principle inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders.

Winston Churchill, 1920

"The state of Israel must invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the methods of provocation and revenge.... And above all, let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space."

From the diary of Moshe Sharett, Israeli's first Foreign Minister from 1948-1956, and Prime Minister from 1954-1956.

Tell me, do the evil men of this world have a bad time? They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They don't suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that club. Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear us instead of feeling sorry. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear our madness instead of admiring our nobility. Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a savage country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go wild, that we might start World War Three just like that, or that we might one day go crazy and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East. Personally, I don't want to be any better than Harry Truman who snuffed out half a million Japanese with two fine bombs."

Ariel Sharon, 1982

The books of the Christians must not be rescued from fire, but must be burned.
The Babylonian Talmud, Judaism's most holy book, Shabbat 116a

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting off of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."

Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, May 1948

In most cases, "anti Semitism", old or new, is not an irrational hatred or sickness in the Gentile soul. It is a healthy defense mechanism of mainly Christian and Moslem nations, cultures, races and religions that are threatened by the gradual and insidious process of extinction under the Zionist agenda.

Henry Makow PhD, anti-Zionist Jew and Internet writer
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This is what our young men and women are being slaughtered for.

D. Benson, "I'm not James Ha (praise the Lord),"

That strikes me as an unnessesarily mean thing to say.

DEN, I posted that a day or two ago, now Cali has joined the club, woo hoo!

Why does France, Germany and Japan need our pledge of defense? Why do you defend terrorist regimes that have taken an oath to wipe Isreal off the map? (women, children and elderly included) The Palestinians are in a civil war killing each other but you continue to complain about Isreal being the opressor. Why do you support Arab nations who give women no rights at all? You would have more rights in Isreal as an arab women than you would in Iran or Syria. Do you like to be told what to think and say?

Sometimes I get thinking so fast, I don't write all of my thoughts down quickly enough. GERALD has a very major point. Remember that Newsweek wrote in June 2004 that Busheny had seriously considered cancelling the election. I can't remember the cockamamie reason, I only found out about it later through Gore Vidal. Given the otherwordly ways in which this administration works (and I mean that with the utmost disrespect) these fears are definitely not unfounded, that Bushco could find any reason to cancel elections. When we bomb Iran, all hell will break out globally. OUR TROOPS WILL IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ WILL BE IN EXTRAORINARY DANGER. And from the looks of it, it is more likely than not that they will use nukes in the underground bunker-busters, thinking they'll get away with it. Just like they think they got away with Iraq.

More great Israeli wisdom:

I am a Jew, I am an Israeli, I am a Zionist, and I am both racially and intellectually superior to you, the non-Jew. For your lies, your pathetic stupidity, and your anti-Semitism, your people will suffer under the punishment of the world’≥ future super-power, Israel!
Jews are superior to dirty-blooded non-Jews like you. While your ancestors were sleeping with the swine in the forests of Europe, my ancestors were building the city of Jerusalem. Israel will come to be the world's newest superpower. It is our destiny, written in the prophecies of god, written in our ambitions, written in our blood!
Orri Joseph Avraham, an Israeli citizen

"I have learned that the state of Israel cannot be ruled in our generation without deceit and adventurism."

Moshe Sharett, Israel's first Foreign Minister and later a Prime Minister

Never in her history has Israel had the luxury of having 500,000 foreigners fight her wars for her, until now.

Abba Eban, Foreign Minister to Israel, in reference to the 1st Gulf War.

"The 2nd war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neo-conservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.

Ari Shavit, writer for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz

Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.

Israeli defense minister Moshe Dayan

Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees.

(He also called them a den of vipers. That probably didn't help his case any!)

Jesus of Nazareth

If a Jew is tempted to do evil, he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

The Babylonian Talmud, Judaism's most holy book, Moed Kattan, 17a

When a Jew murders a gentile there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

The Babylonian Talmud, Judaism's most holy book, Sanhedrin 57a

"Jewish blood and a goy's (gentile's) blood are not the same."

Israeli Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg
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Can you imagine what sort of reaction this would provoke if any non-Jew were to say such a thing about Israel and it's citizens? People are going to PRISON for daring to question the accuracy of the holocaust dead.

Sal, I read the blog this weekend and didn't see it OOOPS! In case your saving pennies for copper, think again.

LBH, you are ignorant. I will not debate you. Israel IS a terrorist regime, just as bushco is, now run along to your little fantasy world where all is right as rain, just like the TV says.

I guess I'll have to assume I was right and you were wrong.
Posted by: LBH at April 24, 2006 05:51 PM

S.N.A.F.U

I'm not James Ha (praise the Lord),
very kind of you mr. benson - pistols at dawn?

Mr Benson

You've taken one of Pandes: Corn-nut, deception, seminars, I see!

I would be referring to a President after the formation of Isreal, not the 1800's. I believe Clinton was big buddies with the Isreal and even sent his buddy James Carville to run Barak's campaign.

I have skipped ahead, because I think we're touching on the real issues to be scared of right now. WTF (What the F**K), do you really think that people who have voted in (the first time, 2000, they really didn't) Bush, are going to suddenly see the light? While they're running scared from possibly a very real terrorist attack, once we f**k up Iran? Gerald's points are well-taken with me and my folk.

#56 Micki

We were f**ked when Porter Goss took over the CIA directorship. He is definitely in the Bushie loop. Or is it loopy? Loved your limerick!

DEN, I was joking when I said that! The only reason we save pennies is because we're too lazy to cash them in. We must have 50 lbs. worth.

by way of deception thou shall make war

Emergency Spending Bill Grows by Some $15B

The underlying bill contains $67.6 billion for Pentagon war operations and $27.1 billion for hurricane relief, including grants to states to build and repair housing and $2.1 billion for levees and flood control projects.

To date, Congress has provided about $315 billion for the war in Iraq and other anti-terror spending since September 2001. Appropriations for the ongoing budget year alone would top $117 billion with passage of the Senate measure.

But the Senate bill also contains numerous Appropriations Committee-approved provisions that have added to its price tag, much to the disappointment of other Republicans and the White House.

The add-ons include $4 billion for farmers hit by drought, floods and high energy costs, $2.3 billion to combat the avian flu and $1.1 billion in aid for Gulf Coast fisheries.

More HERE

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An extra billion here and an extra billion there and pretty soon we are talking about some real money.

capt

Why does France, Germany and Japan need our pledge of defense? Why do you defend terrorist regimes that have taken an oath to wipe Isreal off the map? (women, children and elderly included) The Palestinians are in a civil war killing each other but you continue to complain about Isreal being the opressor. Why do you support Arab nations who give women no rights at all? You would have more rights in Isreal as an arab women than you would in Iran or Syria. Do you like to be told what to think and say?

Why don't you answer some questions instead of just asking them?

You sign an agreement not to leak sensitive information to the general public, including the press, and then you do what you agreed not to do, you DESERVE to get fired.

Each question implying an assumption of facts.

Saladin

I'm not trying to debate you, even David knows your views of Isreal are crazy at best. I'm just curious why you would support terrorist organizations that treat women as 2nd class citizens?

O Reilly

I'm still waiting for you to ask an intelligent question!!!

On all of your posts regarding Israel Saladin, their history is coming to the fore right now. They, as you know, are behind much of the push to bomb Iran. We can document and document the horrors they've imposed on the Palestinians and the games they play with all Arabs. If we bomb Iran, and we will, cuz Bush thinks he needs a legacy and an Armageddon, it will not only collapse any hope of Middle Eastern peace, it will end it. And in the bombed out ruins, Bushco thinks they'll control oil. It's all so sick. They think God wants them to control it. Because they are the chosen. Yeah, these white a--holes think THEY are the chosen. It has to do with cognitive dissonance. They act, therefore they believe.

Re #91: Saladin, James Ha took it as intended, didn't you, James, in #99? It's LBH, #100, who can't take a good-natured joke at his expense, because he wasn't precise enough and I nailed him for it. I am confident that James Ha would have named Millard Fillmore as well, it's just that I got my licks in first.

Anyway, I felt I needed to indicate that I wasn't James Ha spoofing. Also, I am not the 'David' who posted #107. I always use my full name.

110 Is your IQ above 80?

"It is a government of the people by the people for the people no longer it is a government of corporations by corporations for corporations" Rutherford. B. Hayes

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"Hierarchies make some people dependent on others, blame the dependent for their dependency, and then use that dependency as a justification for further exercise of authority" : Martha Ackelsberg

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"The civilized have created the wretched, quite coldly and deliberately, and do not intend to change the status quo; are responsible for their slaughter and enslavement; rain down bombs on defenseless children whenever and wherever they decide that their "vital interests" are menaced, and think nothing of torturing a man to death: these people are not to be taken seriously when they speak of the "sanctity" of human life, or the "conscience" of the civilized world. " James Baldwin - page 489 of COLLECTED ESSAYS (1998), from chapter one of "The Devil Finds Work" (orig. pub. 1976)

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Thanks ICH Newsletter!

"Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! becase you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things. Blind guides, who strain out the gnat, but gulp down the camel!
Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful, but inside are full of dead men's bones and every sort of uncleaness.
In that way you also, outwardly indeed, appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are you to flee from the judgement of Gehenna?

Jesus of Nazareth
Mat. 23: 23,24, 27, 28, 33
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Sound like anyone we know?

David #107

Corn-nuts can't understand what a contact means.

Liberals were raised to do and say what they want when they want wihthout any consequences. They complain about Bush being above the law when they themselves aspire to be above the law as individuals in a totally free society without any penalty. Which has earned the award of hpyo-corns.

"It was the Republicans that balanced the budget under Clinton only after a few short years of taking over the majority."

How many times did Big Dawg have to threaten to shut down the government to show the Reds who was boss? Take away the leadership of President Clinton ... and pooof ... no more balanced budgets though Republicans are in the majority in the legislative and executive branches. Obviously the key ingredient was a fiscally responsible leadership. The Grand Ol' Spending party has almost doubled the 4 Trillion dollar debt in a mere 12 years. That's something that it took Dems almost 40 years to do (and had plenty of help from the budgets proposed by Reagan and Bush Sr.). $4Trillion in 40 years is a pretty horrific record. But the more recent record of the Republicans is downright idiotic. You wanna take credit for that record, go right ahead.

"The Dems had the previous 25 years to do it and couldn't."

Again, without a real fiscal conservative to shut them down when they got high on federal crack, they can't do squat.

"It was the Joint Economic Committee of Congress that blamed Clinton of being a lame duck, not I."

Lame duck. Quack.

"Now you want to go back to 1950 and bring in Ronald Reagan do defend your boy Clinton?"

That sounds pretty funny coming from somebody who runs back to Jimmy Carter to defend his hero. I'm just showing you the historical trends. It makes the Reds look pretty pathetic.

"I'm really disappointed that you chose not to respond to my previous comment on your racism and ethics post. All well, I guess I'll have to assume I was right and you were wrong."
Posted by: LBH at April 24, 2006 05:51 PM

Learn to read. I responded to both already. Let me repeat what I said, since you missed it the first time. The Grand Ol' Lynchin' Party earned its name by refusing to apologize for lynching. Saying that the current crop of Dems is the same gang of thugs that condoned lynchings is like saying that the current crop of Republicans is fiscally responsible. If you think that Mollohan leaving the ethics committee is the same as Ney and Doolittle and Cunningham and DeLay and Burns and every other Republican getting investigated, indicted, convicted, run out of office altogether, you have gone from drinking the Koolaid to mainlining and bathing in it. Let's get the Justice Dept. (sic) to investigate all of these thugs and see what shakes out. I said it before and I'll say it again. The culture of corruption in congress will only end when we (the voters) put an end to it. Don't be disappointed. Make a serious effort to read what I write.

O Reilly

Yes, my IQ is 80 above yours-thanks for asking!!

Is this your intelligent question I've been waiting for?

LBH, why do you support terrorist regimes, (the US and Isreal) that slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children? (Yes, I know clinton is guilty as well, I consider him a war criminal for his actions against Kosovo and Iraq) What rights do dead women have? What rights do young girls kidnapped in Iraq as sex slaves have? What rights do women cowering in their homes, fearing constant assault and murder of their families have? What rights do these women have when US troops burst into their homes and murder everyone at point blank range? What rights do the thousands of women in Palestine have when Israeli bulldozers smash and destroy houses, farms, olive groves and water systems? What right did Rachel Corrie have when an Israeli ran her over with a bulldozer, and then backed over her to make sure she was dead? You are a fool, and I couldn't care less what David Corn thinks of my opinion of Israel.

#56
Micki,
I agree with you. The CIA is here to serve the country. The president has been elected to serve the country. Bush is a public servant not supreme ruler.

Carey, after WW II there were two war powers acts that were passed becuase communist Russia may try and do some damage in the world and so Congress passed these laws that gave the president the power to cancel an election by declaring martial law. I vaguely remember that Bushitler did talked about cancelling the 2004 election. In 2008 the cancellation of the election will be definite. Bushitler knows that he is a murderer and a war criminal and if he leaves the WH, he will be tried at The Hague's International Criminal Court as a war criminal. That is why I believe he will never leave the WH. You can bank on it!!!

We live in perilous and dangerous times under Bushitler. I must impress upon the American people that Bushitler can never be trusted. Never, ever trust Bushitler!!!!!

112 - I accept your apology, ha ha -
actually I have no doubt that every U.S. president since israel's inception have supported them without fail - I also have no doubt that if israel is the victim of a rocket attack, then israel itself will be the perpetrators; they have a long history of blowing themselves up and blaming it on others -
poor little persecuted israel, always the victim -

con∑tact (kntkt)
n.

A coming together or touching, as of objects or surfaces.

The state or condition of touching or of immediate proximity: Litmus paper turns red on contact with an acid.

Connection or interaction; communication: still in contact with my former employer.

Visual observation: The pilot made contact with the ship.

Association; relationship: came into contact with new ideas at college.

A person who might be of use; a connection: The reporter met with her contact at the mayor's office.

A connection between two conductors that permits a flow of current or heat.
A part or device that makes or breaks such a connection.

Medicine. A person recently exposed to a contagious disease, usually through close association with an infected individual.
A contact lens.

by the way sal, thanx!

Yes, my IQ is 80
above yours-thanks for asking!!

Thar's AMAZING!!! I thought it was about 80 but what are the odds I would guess it exactly?

Pande

There is nothing serious about reading what you write. Capt gets less biased info from the Simpsons than what you post.

You are getting more desperate to keep up as you go along. Go ahead and keep up the corn-nut lies if it makes you feel good about yourself. Your Corn-nut fan club still supports you!

I understand that you need something to hold onto since the economy is soooo bad and all those middle and lower class people are getting soooo screwed by Bush.

I understand you're frustrated that unemployment is at an all time low.

I understand that you're pissed about not getting your cut of the free government handouts.

I understand that you're pissed the Dems are to imcompetent to get anything done or stand for an issue.

I understand that you're frustrated that Libby was the only one indicted and that's even falling apart.

I understand that you're frustrated Mollohan was forced from the Ethics committee for ethics violations, of all things.

I understand that you're frustrated that the Dems still don't have an agenda 4 months later.

I understand that you're frustrated Clintons cronie CIA leaker got caught.

It's been a bad year so far for ya Pande, I do understand!!!

Re #122: Thank you, James Ha, I always knew you were a gentleman.

As a minor footnote, I point out that the US (through the UN), put an end to the 1948 war, ending the hopes of some Zionists to capture the entire West Bank. Also, in 1956(?), the US helped put an end to the war of France-Britian-Isreal against the Egyptians. In the Yom Kippur war, the US helped bring the war to an end before Israel's army could capture Cairo. The US has more-or-less consistently pushed for some sort of two state solution, not perhaps the choice of many in Israel.

So I suspect it is more correct to say 'largely supported', rather than 'support without fail'. But this could be viewed as mere quibbling...

Carey, most Americans do not remember but Bushitler and Congress passed a law that stipulates if any American is tried at The Hague's International Criminal Court for war crimes, the American government will attack The Netherlands and the International Criminal Court. Bushitler is worried and so are his goons and thugs in Congress. They slipped that diddy in as an amendment in one of the acts or laws.

We live in perilous and dangerous times under Bushitler, our Nazi Congress, and our Nazi Supreme Court.

we're not going to have to take another vote are we?

Ok, Here's a serious question, if you and your wife get a divorce, are you still brother and sister?

my 'take another vote' remark is in reference to 126 - J

James Ha

Poor little persecuted Isreal.

I believe Isreal kicked the shit out of the Abrabs in the six day war. Poor little Isreal can take care of themselves.

129 James, do you mean a vote on the merits of Pande and lbh's political debate? Who is kicking whose ass? Is that the issue for which you are calling a vote?

#66 Robert --

It's pretty darned clear, isn't it? - Micki

(D) where appropriate, to the Senate and House of Representatives and the committees thereof.

I dunno, who gets to define "where appropriate"? - Robert
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What I mean by "clear" is that it's pretty damned clear that the CIA doesn't exist solely for the president, as David Brooks, William Bennett, and others seem to think it does.

Blasts Kill 21 in Egyptian Resort City

Three nearly simultaneous bombings hit the Egyptian beach resort popular with foreigners Monday at the height of the tourist season, killing at least 21 people and wounding more than 60 a day after Osama bin Laden issued a taped warning against Westerners.

The bombers struck the Sinai seaside town of Dahab in the early evening along a crowded promenade of shops, restaurants and bars. Authorities said 18 of the dead were Egyptian and that a Russian and a Swiss were also killed.

The explosions hit the central part of the city at 7:15 p.m. when the streets were jammed with tourists going for walks, shopping or looking for a restaurant or bar for evening festivities by the tranquil waters of the Gulf of Aqaba.

......President Bush also condemned the attacks and vowed to bring terrorists to justice.

"Today we saw again that the terrorists are willing to try to define the world the way they want to see it," Bush said in Las Vegas.
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I heard the audio of President Bush speaking. He sounded shook.

Hajji,

You might want to hold out longer. That stock could fall lower than 29. I'm in for 100 shares if it gets below 25.

I never heard of the Israeli Abrabs sic day war. I must have been out of school on that day.

Carey, I would feel more comfortable if I did not believe that most Americans have absorbed themselves around hatred. Hatred will destroy the human person and I see hatred destroying the American people.

I love Gerald. I love everyone but I distain ignorance for it is the devil's playground.

Sladin

It's OK Saladin the Taliban would love to have you as a second class citizen when you finish destroying the US and Isreal for giving you equal rights of men.

O Reilly

"I must have been out of school that day"

No, you were still shitting your diaper boy!!

Secrets of the CIA
Hosenball,Isikoff | Newsweek | 4/24/06

A former colleague says the fired Mary McCarthy categorically denies being the source of the leak on agency renditions.

(link)

I know for a fact that the CIA was not flying terrorist to outside countries to torture.

Otherwise Saladin would have told us all about it when she got back!!!

Not if was 1967. I was out of diapers in 1963.

Gerald,

Your last post prompts this question..Why do you hate George Bush so much? Many of your posts are filled with rage. I can understand disagreements with policy, but you are certainly consumed with hatred for the President. I disagreed many times over with Clinton but I did not hate the man.

143lbh, is sal a pilot or terrorist in your scenario? I assume you mean pilot because the terrorists don't come back but that's confusing because I presume your comment is meant as a dig on Sal only I don't get it. Please explain so we can all have a good laugh.

Re #146: O'Reilly, do you really want to feed the troll? (I'm new enough to the blogosphere that I'm not sure that is the right term. Is it?)

#128 Gerald

The only problem is, even Clinton said he would not abide by the International Court and it's rulings. So Bush has precedent. Doesn't that just suck?

Yes, its fair to call lbh a troll.

James 124, I guess I didn't get the joke.
O'Reilly 146, I'm BOTH dontcha know! A terrorist pilot AND a pilot terrorist. I got my training in a simulator in Florida where I was sure to go unnoticed! That's why I like to quote Jesus of Nazareth and defend the Palestinians.

Pande

We both know why Lott didn't vote to apologize for those southern lynching Democrats. This was the first step by the Black caucas to begin legislation on paying every black person a government check (reparations) for being a family memeber of slavery.This would bankrupt the US and is not a realistic option. Hell, next the Mexicans would be asking for reparations for taking Texas from them. So you can use the Grand Ol Lynching Party label all you want to convince your Corn-nut buddies of your argument, but the facts don't pan out.

Want a stab at it?

Did you notice that not one of the quotes I posted or any of the points I made were even acknowledged. I'm just called names, typical troll manuever. D.Benson, I almost never even read the bushbot posts, but I've always been a sucker for the underdog. I really must try harder. The opinion of a one sided, ill informed person is not worth contemplation. I promise to do better.

#139 O'Reilly, I try to call them the way I see them.

#145 TRH, I DO NOT HATE BUSHITLER! I do dislike him and he disgusts me because he lies incessantly. I believe that he is a coward. He joined the national guard during the Vietnam war and he spent his time helping a Congressman win an election and he got drunk in the evenings. On a questionnaire he said that he only wanted to serve in the USA. He is nothing more than a scurvy rat, full of chicken shit. You only have to study his mother, The Nutcracker, and you will see what she raised, a similar hateful person. He was raised to destroy America. I do not hate him because I do not wish for anyone to be damned in hell.

Saladin-O Reilly

You do not have to be a pilot to be a supporter of terrorism as Saladin so proudly does in open.

Saladin is the name of the Sultan of Eygpt and Syria who captured Jerusalem and defended it during the third crusade.

Her handle name alone speaks to her devotion of Muslim rule and Christian defeat.

154 In your dreams.

#148 Carey, I defended Clinton during the Monica scandal (I do not condone Monica's behavior but I do admire the way she stood up against the Nazis in Congress. If I was ever in a position to hire her, like an owner of a business, I would hire her.). After Clinton left office, I began to realize that he was not as great as we were led to believe. Yet, he is so muc