Don't you mean Iran?

Okay, do you mean Iran?

"So even if Iraq is indeed now rejecting IAEA monitoring in order to ramp up a nuclear weapons program, the crisis may not be immediate."

David Corn, 2-8-06, 10:35 p.m.

Why is the IAEA in Iraq? We all know there was never any WMD there.

David said homo

"Those knuckle-dragging genetic ancestors of homo"

Mr. David Corn,

Of course it will be war, the drum beat of war, rumors of war, and perpetual war.

An election is coming up, time to beat the mindless lemmings into a froth about our safety, our allies safety, our ex-pat's safety.

The scared little lemmings will run for the edge of the cliff singing their "Heil[sic] to the chief" and spouting their jingoistic slogans.

Anybody not on the bandwagon is weak, a coward, or worse a traitor. (all compliments we hear here from the troll).

Another good post!

"And--unfortunately--there is no good reason to believe what the Bush administration has to say about Iraq."

Or about Iran either - never believe a proven liar and that is the only thing these neocons can do. They exposed an undercover CIA agent for a petty political purpose during a time of war (is you believe occupation is war).

All too predictable. Some say we will nuke Iran. I do not doubt it for a second.

Sure sounds like we could save the world by a simple impeachment, eh? Too bad the media is not on board for truth, freedom or justice. They would come in handy if they told the truth. But that was the old days. Now they do what they are told.

Thanks for all of your work.

Kirk

"There is always a well-known solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong." ~ H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956), Prejudices: Second Series, 1920

A Tease

Why has the French threatened nuclear attack on Iran if we can't believe the Bush administration?

Even Bush hasn't threatened that!

after iran is destroyed by bombing, the small portion of it (right next to iraq) that contains 90% of their oil fields can be occupied by halliburton or exxon or whoever bushco puts there to control it. capture the oil and eliminate the bourse all in one fell swoop! - we'll see if they can actually pull it off this time -

GO bushco! woo hoo! PNAC RULES!

How Conservatives Went Crazy

What happened to a formerly conservative press to reduce it to political partisanship and warmongering? Specifically, I have in mind National Review and the Wall Street Journal editorial page.

When I was associated with National Review, the magazine understood that the U.S. Constitution and civil liberties had to be protected from government. It was not considered unpatriotic to take the side of the Constitution and civil liberties against a sitting government, even if the government were Republican. Some things were still more important than party loyalty.

No more. Consider, for example, Byron York writing in the Feb. 13 issue. York doesn't understand why former U.S. Representative Bob Barr lent his Republican conservative credentials to former Vice President Al Gore's speech against President Bush's transgressions against law and civil liberty, or why Barr is associating with liberals opposing the "PATRIOT" Act.

Barr is the former Republican member of the House of Representatives who led the impeachment against President Bill Clinton. Barr did so not out of political partisanship. As a former prosecutor, Barr regards lying under oath to be a serious offense. A president who commits that offense must be held accountable. Otherwise, presidents will go on to lie about greater things –†such as war.

In opposing Bush's transgressions, Barr is simply being consistent. For Barr, party loyalty takes a back seat to defense of the Constitution, the rule of law, and civil liberty. If the U.S. had more leaders of Barr's caliber, Bush and Cheney would already have been impeached.

More HERE

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There is nothing "conservative" about the neocons. They are the most radical bunch of insane people I have ever seen.

capt

Thanks David for addressing this critical issue. The questions about Iran should be endless,of course because the folks pushing this are the very same folks that took our nation into Iraq

. One big one is why now? Why are we so focused on Iran now...because that is what the PNAC CROWD HAS ON THEIR REGIME CHANGE LIST.
IAEA MR. EL BARADEI WAS RIGHT ABOUT IRAQ..LET THE IAEA HANDLE THIS NOT JOHN BOLTON AND THE CAKEWALK FOLKS. HAS OUR COUNTRY GONE COMPLETELY MAD?

;MAYBE THAT GUY WHO HAD THE PLANS ON HIS LAPTOP IS A COUSIN OF CURVEBALL, OR A FRIEND OF MICHEAL LEDEEN OR CHALABI. COME ON THESE FOLKS ARE INSANE.

forgot to mention that tomorrow on the Diane Rehm program they will be focused on Iran. People might want to call in and ask some relevant questions. Like "where the hell is the verifiable evidence to back up the claims the Bush administration is making about Iran?" Such a simple question ..a question that I have not heard one reporter in the U.s. ask this administration. NOt one.

Although tonight on the BBc the reporter asked Jack Straw where is the conclusive evidence to back up the claims about Irans nuclear developments? Jack Straw answered "there is no conclusive evidence, just highly suspicious behaviour on the part of Iran".

IAEA'S MR. eL Baradei has said that "Iran does not pose an imminent threat."

;So this time the REGIME CHANGE FOLKS do not even have to pretend to come up with some fake documents from Niger. They can just make endless claims based on "highly suspicious behaviour"..oh yeah...Deja vu...

I hope folks call in tomorrow morning to the Rehm program. 1-800-989-talk....email drshow@wamu.org. We should hammer the show tomorrow morning with emails so they think someone is concerned about history repeating itself so quickly.

TAC to Standard—Challenge Accepted

Is the Iranian nuclear program "near the point of no return," as the Standard implies? Mohamed ElBaradei of the IAEA has told Newsweek: "There is no clear and present danger." And while the seals have been broken at the 164-centrifuge pilot plant at Natanz, Iran’s foreign ministry has said "fuel production" has not even begun.

Do we know different? Con Coughlin, the defense expert at the Daily Telegraph, writes that even if Iran begins to enrich, it will be three years before they have enough fissile material for a single bomb. Israel has hundreds, we have thousands of bombs.

But if the "military option" is a preventive war on Iran, let us, at least this time, consider beforehand the costs and consequences. With its cruise-missile and smart-bomb bins refilled, the U.S. could effect the nuclear castration of the mullahs in 48 hours. The Iranian air force and navy would be an afternoon’s work. But all of Iran’s Shahab missiles would likely be fired at U.S. bases and Israel, to the delight of the Arab and Islamic street, widening the war.

And how might Tehran respond? Iranian volunteers pouring into Iraq inciting the Shia to attack U.S. troops. The Green Zone turned into Fort Apache. A debacle, unless we send in more troops. Iranian oil exports halted. Terror attacks on U.S. installations and Gulf allies. Silkworm missiles fired at tankers. Oil at $100-$200 a barrel. A worldwide depression. That’s for openers.

In an all-out war, Iran could break apart. If so, we will multiply the ranks of terrorists hell-bent on getting their hands on a nuclear weapon, perhaps from Pakistan, and using it on us.

With our Army tied down and taking losses in Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistanis demanding we be thrown out of their country, do we really need another war against a nation four times the size of Iraq? One bullet fired at Musharraf, another at Karzai, and the U.S. position in the Pakistani-Afghan region could collapse overnight.

Conservatives must raise the ever-relevant question: Cui bono? Who would benefit from a U.S. war with Iran? Who is prodding us into it? Are they looking out for America first?

Conservatives will demand that Congress, this time, debate, and, if we are going to war, declare war. That would force us to focus on what the real threat is and whether we cannot find some accommodation with these people, as we did with Stalin, Mao, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev.

We never fought Russia and we need not fight Iran, unless they start the fight.

More HERE

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And there you go.

capt

Here are the known facts about Iran's nuclear program:

1- Iran has a legitimate economic case for nuclear power, which the US (including some of the members of the current Bush administration) encouraged. (see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3983-2005Mar26.html and http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GH24Ak02.html)

2- Iran's enrichment program was not clandestine, and was widely reported in the nuclear industry literature & on Iranian radio. Iran's deals with countries like CHina to make the necessary plants had been reported to the IAEA, and the IAEA had even visited Iran's uranium mines in 1992. (See Le Monde Diplomatique: "Iran Needs Nuclear Energy, Not Weapons" November 2005)

3- While there were undeclared facilities in Iran, the IAEA reported in Nov 2003 that "to date, there is no evidence that the previously undeclared nuclear material and activities referred to above were related to a nuclear weapons program."

4- In Nov 2004, the IAEA reported that "all the declared nuclear material in Iran has been accounted for, and therefore such material is not diverted to prohibited activities."

5- In Jan 2006, the IAEA reported that "Iran has continued to facilitate access under its Safeguards Agreement as requested by the Agency . . . including by providing in a timely manner the requisite declarations and access to locations."

6- Repeated offers of compromise by Iran that would have addressed the risk of proliferation of nukes were simply dismissed without any consideration. Most recently, Iran's Jan 2006 offer to continue the suspension of enrichment for another 2 years of additional negotiations were summarily dismissed, and not even reported in the US press though it was reported in the Iranian press (see
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HB07Ak01.html )

Oh yeah, there's also a "magic laptop" which has literally fallen out of the blue sky, and conveniently provides all the evidence of a nuclear weapons program in Iran that no one else has found after 3 years of inspections.

So, there we have it. Draw your own conclusions.

In Bushworld laptops fall from the sky. They are sent by God. Bush has a direct line to God as God speak through his (or so he says).

I wonder why God did not tell Dumbya there were no WMD's in Iraq?

Maybe the voice Dumbya hears is just a mental health issue?

capt

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE..LET THE IAEA HANDLE THIS. I HOPE U.S. REPORTERS START ASKING SOME DIRECT AND LOGICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE CLAIMS. THEY HAVE NOT SO FAR.

Hello Everybody,

My name is Bob and I am a human-animal hybrid. Bah! My mama was a beautiful sheep and my daddy was a handsome cowboy. Bah! They fell in love and now there is me, Bob. Bah!

Why does Preznit Bush hate me so much? Bah! Why doesn't Main Stream America understand me? Bah! Why am I being shunned for who I am? Baah!

I am so lonely and so confused. I only want to be loved like a white sheep. Not like a black ones. Baaah, baah, Baaah!

I just want to live my life and be happy.

mr. corn,
there's been no mention of the proposed (march 20th)iranian bourse from you yet?
it does seem like a very relevant topic (as to motive) to many of us -

Will the U.s. short circuit the U.N.'s IAEA process once again? Will the press continue to roll over?

If Iraq war so far has cost us 500 billion...can any one estimate how much a war with Iran would cost?...Of course lets keep in mind Iran has Sunburn anti ship cruise missles and Iranins are experts in long hual wars.

I posted this at the end of the last thread. It really is an awesome video, and for the dial-ups that want to read the story only, it's well worth the trip.

"Twenty"

'Muhammad cartoon'
proved fake

Imam added 3 especially provocative images to fuel outrage

One of three especially inflammatory but undocumented Muhammad images distributed by a Danish imam as an example of an "anti-Muslim environment" in the European country turns out to be a poorly reproduced copy of an Associated Press photo taken at a French pig-squealing contest.

The weblog NeanderNews pointed out the image used by Imam Ahmad Abu Laban was a faxed copy of AP's Aug. 15 photo of Jacques Barrot competing at the annual French Pig-Squealing Championships in Trie-sur-Baise

Since last week, Muslims throughout the world have engaged in protests and deadly riots in response to 12 cartoons caricaturing Islam's prophet Muhammad published in September by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten and three much more provocative images that Muslim leaders have been unable to document.

One of those images of mysterious origin, which never were published, is from the AP photo. Another depicts Muhammad as a pedophile demon and a third has a praying Muslim being raped by a dog, according to the weblog Gateway Pundit.

MORE HERE

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Of course, it is just a happy coincidence this is all timed around the March Bourse. We attacked Iraq AFTER Saddam started trading in Euros and the "press" has backpedaled and never really reported it. Many still think Saddam was GOING to change not that the change was made.

capt

James, I read your heartfelt arguments on the last thread. I have never seen such a lame attempt at diffusion as that offered by the tim. My God, what an IDIOT! I plead with you, don't feed it!
David, they will do what they want, isn't that as plain as day by now? Armegeddon is all the rage, nuclear bombs for all. Hang yourselves from meathooks, check into the nearest rubber room, we are so fucking doomed. Praise the lord and pass the bullets.

Fighting on all fronts

WASHINGTON - While the Pentagon emerged as the big winner on Monday among US government agencies in next year's budget sweepstakes, its failure to choose among the threats it says it must defend the country against may prove costly in the long run, both financially and operationally, according to analysts in the capital.

Although a major part of the proposed 7% increase in the Department of Defense's (DoD) budget to US$440 billion is designed to boost its counter-insurgency and unconventional warfare capabilities for the "war on terror", the budget also includes significantly more money for the development and procurement of expensive new weapons systems to cope with potential future threats, particularly China.

The costs of doing both, however, are putting a major strain on the US Treasury at a time when popular social spending is being cut back in the face of an anticipated record federal deficit next year.

"Rather than making some hard decisions about future weapons systems, the DoD has essentially deferred to long-standing service interests," said Carl Conetta, director of the Boston-based Project on Defense Alternatives, in reference to pet weapons projects of the different branches of the military.

More HERE

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A good piece. From Asian Times.

capt

Animal-Human Hybrids Spark Controversy

Scientists have begun blurring the line between human and animal by producing chimeras—° hybrid creature that's part human, part animal.

Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created. They were allowed to develop for several days in a laboratory dish before the scientists destroyed the embryos to harvest their stem cells.

In Minnesota last year researchers at the Mayo Clinic created pigs with human blood flowing through their bodies.

And at Stanford University in California an experiment might be done later this year to create mice with human brains.

Scientists feel that, the more humanlike the animal, the better research model it makes for testing drugs or possibly growing "spare parts," such as livers, to transplant into humans.

Watching how human cells mature and interact in a living creature may also lead to the discoveries of new medical treatments.

But creating human-animal chimeras—Æamed after a monster in Greek mythology that had a lion's head, goat's body, and serpent's tail—®as raised troubling questions: What new subhuman combination should be produced and for what purpose? At what point would it be considered human? And what rights, if any, should it have?

There are currently no U.S. federal laws that address these issues

More HERE

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"Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all the animals." ~ George Orwell

We have had animal human (Chimera) for some time.

I am not sure the research is all bad either.

capt

sal, ok. thank you dear!

I smell a rat, that looks alot like Arlen Spector.

Full House Committee Gets Briefing on Eavesdropping

WASHINGTON, Feb. 8 — Under pressure from some Congressional Republicans as well as Democrats, the White House abruptly changed its position on Wednesday and provided a closed-door briefing on the National Security Agency's domestic surveillance program to the full House Intelligence Committee.

(snip)

In another development Wednesday, Senator Arlen Specter, the Pennsylvania Republican who leads the Judiciary Committee, said he had begun drafting legislation that would require the administration to go before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to seek its ratification for the program.

"If they say it is unconstitutional, then there ought to be a modification of it so that what the administration is doing is constitutional," Mr. Specter said of the court, in a statement on the Senate floor.

Mr. Specter made it clear that he thought any legislative remedies should be forward-looking, not "punitive."
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yeah, no harm, no foul, right? Change the law (fk the constitution) and go right back spying, legally now.

here we go... page one for Thursday

Secret Court's Judges Were Warned About NSA Spy Data
Program May Have Led Improperly to Warrants

By Carol D. Leonnig
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 9, 2006; Page A01

Twice in the past four years, a top Justice Department lawyer warned the presiding judge of a secret surveillance court that information overheard in President Bush's eavesdropping program may have been improperly used to obtain wiretap warrants in the court, according to two sources with knowledge of those events.

The revelations infuriated U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly -- who, like her predecessor, Royce C. Lamberth, had expressed serious doubts about whether the warrantless monitoring of phone calls and e-mails ordered by Bush was legal. Both judges had insisted that no information obtained this way be used to gain warrants from their court, according to government sources, and both had been assured by administration officials it would never happen.

The two heads of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court were the only judges in the country briefed by the administration on Bush's program.
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I'm thinking that's why that one judge resigned in protest, that the administration was thumbing their nose at the law, and that 2 of their fellow judges knew about it the whole time. Seems them two's trust of the administration wasn't worthy... big surprise there!

Wikipedia's Help From the Hill
Edits Lead Site to Block Some Lawmakers' Offices

The scope of the scandal keeps growing, and now that an investigation has been launched, a growing list of Capitol Hill members and their staff appear to be involved.

No, this isn't about fallout from the shenanigans of former lobbyist Jack Abramoff. This concerns Wikipedia -- the online encyclopedia written and edited by anyone who wants to contribute -- and the suspected perpetrators of untruths about certain lawmakers.

You ain't gonna believe this. Delay gets assigned to the sub-committee overseeing the Justice Dept.!! As in, the Abramoff Investigation...

DeLay Lands Coveted Appropriations Spot

"...Republicans in Congress just can't seem to resist standing by their man," said Bill Burton, spokesman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

I'd like to thank Mr. Bush for reviving the Social Security debate. I wish him and the Republican congress the best of luck in selling it to the American people.

I wonder how many more incompetent cronies will get fired or "reassigned" before the year is out?

Crooks and Liars is chock full of videos from Olbermann to Cafferty that are a laugh riot (a riot minus the angry muslims - the moderate muslims are laughing). There's also a video there of Tweety mistreating another woman, ala Malkin. Someone (either Kathleen or Carol) mentioned it earlier. Is it just me, or does it seem like he hates womenfolk?

John Boehner is just another Tom DeLay

Rep. John Boehner came to Washington after the 1990 elections claiming to be a great reformer. In reality, he is just another politician on the take, out to milk the system for all he can.

I met Boehner at a reception for new members of Congress in December 1990. At the time, I was Vice President for Political Programs for the giant National Association of Realtors and controlled the largest political action committee (PAC) in town. Boehner had his hand out to every PAC, mine included, and made it clear he would vote the right way in exchange for maximum campaign contributions.

"I know your issues," he said, "and I can support. I trust you can see your way clear to support me?"

Boehner made his name as a member of the "Gang of Seven," a group of Congressional "reformers" who took on the House Bank that allowed members to overdraw their checking accounts at will and without penalty and helped expose Democratic powerhouse Dan Rostenkowski’≥ "cash for stamps" scam that cost him his seat in Congress and sent him to jail.

But while Boehner campaigned as the great reformer, he worked the system behind the scenes, scamming it for campaign cash and favors, cozying up to the same lobbyists and dealmakers as fellow Republican Tom DeLay. In 1992, he argued publicly for the elimination of PACs because they gave most of their money to the Democrats who controlled Congress. After Republicans took control in 1994, Boehner changed his tune and became a leading advocate of PACs and the money they could dump into the coffers of the new GOP leadership.

Boehner joined with DeLay and other Republican leaders in browbeating lobbying firms into hiring more Republicans and threatened PACs with exclusion from GOP briefings and events if they did not donate more to GOP candidates and causes.

His style was smoother than DeLay, the GOP pit bull who openly bullied and once told me "fuck the law. I don’¥ give a rat’≥ ass about the law." Boehner would smile and talk in diplomatic terms but the smile masked a ruthlessness that said "play ball our way or you don’¥ play in our ballpark."

"Make no mistake about it," he told me in 1991. "We will remember those who helped us and those who did not will find themselves outside looking in. That’≥ the way the game is played."

Boehner quickly learned how the game is played in Washington. Since 2000, he has allowed special interest groups to finance 41 trips for he and his family to Rome, Venice, Paris and Edinburgh, as well as domestic resort spots like Boca Raton, Fla., and Pebble Beach, Calif.

He often goes on the floor of the House of Representatives to praise the liquor industry for what he calls their "untiring efforts" to fight underage drinking and drunk driving. The industry bought these paid advertisements from Boehner with more than $200,000 in campaign contributions.

He is a big booster of Sallie Mae, the federal agency that provides government-backed student loans. His daughter works for Sallie Mae’≥ collection agency and employees of Sallie Mae have kicked in $120,000 to Boehner’≥ campaign PAC since 1989,

Boehner heads up efforts on the hill to limit lawsuits against the health care industry. In return, insurance companies for health care groups have contributed $2 million to Boehner.

And, yes, Boehner accepted $30,000 in campaign contributions from corrupt lobbyist Jack Abramoff’≥ tribal clients in the two election cycles. Unlike other members of Congress, Boehner has refused to return the tainted money.

Boehner rents his $1,600 a month Capitol Hill apartment from veteran lobbyist John Milne, who just happens to represent clients who have benefited from legislation Boehner sponsored as chairman of the House Education and Workforce Committee.

And Boehner’≥ former chief of staff, now an aide to White House political guru Karl Rove, helped plan a congressional junket to the Mariana Islands with Abramoff.

With all this baggage, the GOP picked John Boehner to replace the corrupt Tom DeLay as the number two Republican in the House.

And they "punished" Tom DeLay by giving him a highly-coveted seat on the House Appropriations Committee along with a spot on the subcommittee that oversees the Justice Department –†the same Justice Department currently investigating DeLay for his many wrongdoings.

Republicans call this "reform." I call it business as usual.

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SSDD

capt

Alan 28, there is absolutely nothing coming out of DC that can shock or surprise me anymore. Our entire planet has gone around the bend, we are being led by murderous psychopaths while everyone else is busy struggling just trying to get by day to day.
Pan, the SS issue will rear it's ugly head all by itself, your so aptly named "Grand Ole Spending Party" will bury it along with every other entitlement program designed to keep people from living under bridges and dumpster diving for meals. The one truth bush told is that the money is gone, he should know, he spent what was left. But it doesn't matter, everyone who is my age and younger can forget retirement, you will have to work until you drop dead, that includes disabled veterans. Unfortunately, if you want an even halfway decent job you will have to move to India or China. But if the NWO bullies get their way we will all soon be one big poverty stricken happy family.

City Chatter: The Terrorists of Tiny Town: Homeland security keeping our country safe from kindergarteners (hey, they could be Al Qaeda...) :: The Cleveland Free Times

The kindergarten class at Lakewood's Taft Elementary was planning a field trip to NASA Glenn Research Center. It's a popular trip because it's free, because the NASA staff already has age-appropriate tours that fit well with school curriculum, and, well, it's outer space, for pete's sake. They've got rocket ships. And NASA works the education angle hard. According to the agency, a major part of the NASA mission is to inspire the next generation of explorers . . . as only NASA can. And of course they talk about math and science. NASA says about 400 school groups took tours last year. But school principal Margaret Seibel says this year's trip for Taft kindergarteners, we're talking 6-year-olds here, had to be canceled due to homeland security concerns. Since new security regulations went into effect in May 1, 2005, access to the Visitor Center is restricted to United State citizens. All others might be terrorists. No tourists from France, no exchange students from Tokyo and, no foreign national kindergarteners on field trips. I was told they would not make any exceptions, Seibel says. Because two kids in the kindergarten class are not U.S. citizens, the teacher had to cancel the trip.
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The homeland goons must have caught them on the phone with AL-CIADA!

BYU'S Dr. Steven Jones Blows the Roof off a Utah Auditorium

by Philip Sherman Gordon

On Wednesday, February 1, a quiet, churchy-looking gentleman in a white shirt and tie walked into a packed auditorium on the campus of Utah Valley State College and electrified the room like a rock star. The 150-seat auditorium was filled to capacity, with every seat occupied, and people sitting in the aisles from the stage floor to the back of the room. Video cameras on tripods lined the back row. Two documentary-film crews were in attendance, in addition to the school's camera crew, and various independent journalists. Seven spill-over rooms, with seating for 40-50 each, were also filled to capacity. On this very conservative campus (in the most conservative county in the most conservative state in the union), where community leaders pulled out all the stops in 2004 to prevent Michael Moore from speaking as part of his anti-Bush, pro-Kerry Slacker Uprising Tour, Dr. Steven Jones, this pious professor from the Mormon Church-owned Brigham Young University, calmly, gently, gave a simple physics lesson on the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings, the implications of which awed the audience with a sense of world-historical significance, and implied an indictment of the present administration so utterly devastating that it made Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 look like a Bush apologia.

It is a devastating presentation, and one could feel the disequilibrium of 150 minds reeling at once. The defining moment of contemporary American experience suddenly lost its definition. What is the meaning of 9/11? What really happened that day? If these things are true, the implications clearly point to some kind of inside job involving the government of the United States of America. (The Department of Defense, the FBI, and the CIA all had offices in the mysteriously collapsed WTC-7. Is it reasonable that outside terrorists could have infiltrated that building and filled it with explosives? ) If the WTC was brought down by pre-positioned explosive devices, somehow facilitated and covered up by the government, it would be the most audacious conspiracy in human history. When before have so many people been so spectacularly bamboozled, with so much death and destruction, and such massive implications for geo-politics? Never, that's when.

If Dr. Jones's work ever breaks into the mainstream media, and the rest of the country reacts the way the Utah County audience reacted, traditional political divisions will evaporate like steel beams exploded with thermite, and the whole lot of them, the Democrats and the Republicans, will be swept away, along with the military-industrial complex that has apparently managed to subvert the constitution of these United States and to con the American public, mesmerized by the shock of 9/11 and hypnotized by spell-binding incantations of freedom and patriotism, into going along with their mad plans for world domination.
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If anyone hears about videos that may become available please post it. I would love to see this presentation.

Iran will be bombed!

Dear Cornposters:

Yes, Iran will be bombed by Nazi America with Hitler Bush's full approval. He is licking his chops to attack Iran. IRAN IS NOT AN IMMINENT THREAT TO NAZI AMERICA. Attacking Iran does not reach the Just War Theory for war upon a nation.

Iran may want nuclear weapons out of fear. Iran fears that Israel did not sign the non-proliferation treaty. Iran also fears Nazi America. In 1953 Nazi America overthrew a democratically elected government and put their puppet in power. Nazi America's actions give credence to the fact that we are an evil nation.

Dialogue is important but Nazi America does not believe in dialogue.

More depleted uranium will be dump in the Middle East. Nazi America's foreign policy for the Middle East is to contaminate the land so bad that the Muslims will be eventually dead from depleted uranium and Nazi America can go into the area and the oil fields will be our oil fields.

IRAN WILL BE BOMBED BECAUSE HITLER BUSH GRAVES TO BOMB IRAN AND DUMP TONS OF DEPLETED URANIUM OVER THEIR LAND, AIR, AND WATER.

Sincerely,

Gerald

It is certainly bad news when additional countries acquire nuclear weapons, but there is a fairly obvious question that David might want to consider. Why is it a crisis for the world community, possibly justifying an act of war, for Iran to be trying to acquire nuclear weapons, when it is perfectly alright for the United States, Russia, China, France, the United Kingdom, India, Pakistan, and oh yeah, Israel, to actually have them? This is a question the Iranians repeatedly ask and nobody bothers to answer. I'd like to hear David Corn's answer.

Good News For Rapists & Criminals: British Government Bans Knives
Launches PR 'amnesty,' encourages citizens to turn them in

The London Independent reports today,

"A five-week nationwide knives amnesty is being launched in the summer in an attempt to drive down numbers of stabbings."

"Under the amnesty, which will run between 24 May and 30 June in England, Wales and Scotland, members of the public can leave bladed weapons in drop-in bins which will be provided at police stations throughout the country without fear of prosecution."

Now I feel a great deal safer. The criminal who is prepared to break in your home and rip you to shreds in cold blood will finally see the error of his ways and comply with Charles Clarke's PR campaign and turn in his knives.

We know that's not how it works. Self-indulgent do-gooders who think they're misbehaving by as much as crossing a road on a red light will pave the way for law-abiding citizens to be disarmed of even their trusty kitchen knife. What's next? Will we be allowed to own baseball bats? How about just forcefully wrapping us all in cotton wool and keeping us all in rubber rooms?
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HUH??? Does this include plastic picnic knives as well? Crazy people from outer space have taken over the world!

DC, keep holding your breath for impeachment! You make me laugh. And, not *with* you.

The Shahad IV-VI aren't for fireworks. If you don't know what those are, you have no business having an opinion on this issue. But the Iranians will deliver a nuclear weapon via container or container ship. There are numerous admissions of a nuclear weapons program from powerful Iranians available on the Internet.

The reason Iran has no "right" to nuclear weapons is that increasing numbers of nuclear powers permanently spikes any chance of nuclear disarmament.

As a Republican, living in the burbs, I can sit back and wait for the Left's stupidity to reorganize the political landscape. POOF! No more LA, NY, or Seattle.

/Modest Proposal

The President suggests that anyone who criticizes his illegal wiretapping program doesn't understand the threat we face. But we do. Every single one of us is committed to stopping the terrorists who threaten us and our families.

Defeating the terrorists should be our top national priority, and we all agree that we need to wiretap them to do it. In fact, it would be irresponsible not to wiretap terrorists. But we have yet to see any reason why we have to trample the laws of the United States to do it. The President's decision that he can break the law says far more about his attitude toward the rule of law than it does about the laws themselves.
Sen. Feingold
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Is THIS the person everyone has been promoting for president? This person who is as busy supporting the AL-CIADA BS as bushco? God help us. He must have missed the Jones presentation.

In Whom Do I Trust?

Dear Cornposters:

If you have read of my posts, you know that I have stressed we are all God’≥ children and we are all brothers and sisters in God. Yet, I must be honest with you. I do not trust the Muslims. I do not advocate that we kill them but we must watch carefully their actions and deeds. The reason for concern centers from the fact that Islam is both a religion and a political ideologue similar to our fundamentalists and evangelicals. Many Christian and non-Christian religions are political ideologues.

I also do not trust the Nazi American government because we have evil people in power. We are a nation run by bushians and bushianity is our religion. Bushianity is a religion whose pillars of identity are hatred, murders, torture, war crimes, corruption, greed, decadence, and lies.

I also do not trust people like Franklin Graham, Falwell, Dobson, Robertson, Limbaugh, O’íeilly, and Hannity. These are only a few names of many names. Of course we cannot forget the low life amoeba, Bush and his Nazi Cabal. Even though I do not trust these poor excuses as human beings, I do not advocate the killing of people whom I do not trust. If we added up all the people whom I do not trust, the number would be a few billion people on our planet. No one wants to kill three or four billion people because you do not trust them. We must watch them vigilantly and try to carry out some dialogue so that inaction or idle hands is the devil’≥ playmate and we start to kill people.

Sincerely,

Gerald

A Mathematician Mulls Domestic Spying

Probability and probable cause

Abbas of 3Quarks daily points to a fascinating column by mathematician John Alan Paulos who considers the arguments for domestic spying from a quantitative perspective.

In any case, the Fourth Amendment is being violated with arrogance and seeming impunity. For the record, it states: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." I'm familiar with many definitions of "probable," but there's no meaning of the term I know that can be used to justify large-scale warrantless searches.

Paulos goes on to argue that a massive domestic spying program is unlikely to yield much additional security, but that it will necessarily involve intrusions on a vast number of innocent Americans (just because non-terrorists outnumber terrorists so heavily).

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Of course the numbers betray the purpose. That makes perfect sense to the neocons.

capt

Just like there was credible info via "Curveball" about Iraqi nukes, right? Just how would they sneak one in by container? Could it be that bush isn't interested in heightening security at the ports? I wonder why that is. Do you really think the Iranians are so stupid that they don't realize if they were to make LA go "poof" that would be the end of them, forever? If MAD is not a deterrant, why did we waste all that money? And, why are so many people SO gullible?

After the start of the Iraq war, all you cornnuts on the left, including David Cornnut himself, were screaming that Iran and North Korea were the real Nuclear threats and Bush is doing nothing about it.

Now that Bush is addressing this issue through the international community, that all you Cornnuts demanded, you lefties are going friggin crazy and flip flopping once again on your position. It is no wonder that the American public thinks you lefties are a bunch of cowards!!!

Israel plans to build 'museum of tolerance' on Muslim graves
By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem
Published: 09 February 2006

Skeletons are being removed from the site of an ancient Muslim cemetery in Jerusalem to make way for a $150m (86m) "museum of tolerance" being built for the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Centre.

Palestinians have launched a legal battle to stop the work at what was the city's main Muslim cemetery. The work is to prepare for the construction of a museum which seeks the promotion of "unity and respect among Jews and between people of all faiths".

Israeli archaeologists and developers have continued excavating the remains of people buried at the site - which was a cemetery for at least 1,000 years - despite a temporary ban on work granted by the Islamic Court, a division of Israel's justice system. Police have been taking legal advice on whether the order is legally binding. The Israeli High Court is to hear a separate case brought by the Al Aqsa Association of the Islamic Movement in Israel next week.
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Digging up Muslim graves to promote UNITY? We are farther down the rabbit hole than I ever imagined.
Gerald, I respect your thoughts and feelings, but I object to stereotyping huge swaths of people because of a few radicals. As you know some of the cruelest people on earth, the Zionists, have attained an incredible amount of power in the world, but it is not the fault of all Jews. To place the blame for the murderous activities of a few on an entire group or race is wrong. The vast majority of Muslims are good and peaceful people and do not deserve such distrust. As you have admitted, more than half the Catholics support that monster bush, but you don't, and I would never lump you in with them.

If we bomb Iran, might Iran respond by invading Iraq, to help free its Shia bretheren from US domination? Is this a plausible reponse on the part of Iran?

Just asking.

Bob in North Dakota
(not to be confused with Bob the Sheep)

American Soldiers

More American soldiers are killed in the Middle East, 2,525.

2,525 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush and his evil lies.

Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy. Henry Kissinger

G.K. Chesterton said that Jesus speaks sanity to a world of lunatics.

Before you seek revenge, dig two graves. Confucius

When an illegal war is launched, EVERY person killed and injured, EVERY piece of property destroyed, and all environmental damage is a WAR CRIME. A war without borders and limits is a perpetual war. This war of aggression proliferates terrorism in proportion to its reckless widening, making the world ever more dangerous. TCR News

Nazi America is a mirror image of Bush!

Contamination

Linda Schrock Taylor says that when God means to punish a nation, He deprives its rulers of wisdom.

Hitler Bush and the Nazi cabal will prowl the world seeking endless wars. With endless wars and depleted uranium the Nazi States of America will contaminate people, land, air, and water. In time our entire world will become contaminated through the use of depleted uranium in fighting our endless wars.

The Nazi States of America is an evil nation.

If the U.S. attacks Iran, Iran won't have to invade Iraq, because the Iraqi army is already there, and it is closely allied with the Iranian ayatollahs. And no, dear friends, we "lefties" don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons and we do want diplomatic efforts to stop them from getting them. But there is one path to that end that has a chance of success -- creating a nuclear free zone in the Middle East, as part of a long-term path to global disarmament. The bad news for you folks? That means Israel would have to give up its nuclear weapons. That is the essential obstacle here. Anyone who doesn't understand that is completely missing the point.

What's all this Nazi States of America nonsense? The Nazis were German, not American. They successfully killed half of the world's population of Jews back in the 30's and 40's. The Iranians, Palestinians and many other Muslims and Arabs have pledged to finish what the Nazis of Germany began by wiping Israel off the map. Six nuclear weapons targeted on the Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem and three other population centers would bring the Jewish population of the world down by 80%. The other 20% are here in America. So I don't get your reference. Would it not be more accurate to refer to Iran as "nazi" rather than America?

Allison, you seem to forget that if Iran were to do such a thing, Iran would be wiped off the map by the U.S., as they well know. That said, not that it matters, your demographics are utterly wrong.

Mr Corn seems to take great pleasure in informing that "a majority of Americans--53 percent in one survey--say that Bush purposefully misrepresented the WMD threat posed by Iraq in order to whip up popular support for war." Gee, I wonder where they got that impression. Might it have something to do with the endlessly repeated slanders coming from both Corn and his associates? PS, the WMD story isn't cooked yet. Think Syria.

Hi to the Cornheads!

Liberalism really is a mental disorder! Reminds me of schizophrenia in a way, with the frequent delusional and paranoid rants seen frequently in the lefty population. The liberal way of seeing a false alternate reality is akin to the hallucinations that suferers of schizophrenia deal with when off their meds. And the beauty of it all is liberals don't realize they are sick either, just like the schizophrenics I used to see in medical school. The only divergence from my observation above is that there exists many more liberals than schizophrenics, which is a troubling thought. Enjoy, food for thought.

Gerald,

Preach on, brotha! We Chimpy McHitlerburton cronies like winning elections (though we do miss the loyal opposition).

cervantes,

You forget that the Iranians want to hasten the return of the Mahdi. They've said so themselves. I tend to take crazies at their word (numbering myself among them as I do).

DC,

Ah, Mr. El Baradei...he was all over the Norks, the Libyans, and the A.Q. Khan network, wasn't he? Oh, wait, he wasn't.

"He who strikes first and strikes hard my not need to strike again".

Frankly, I'd rather not compromise my safety or the safety of the Israelis just because somebody "estimates" that the Iranians aren't close. Hello? Do these people have better intel than we do (Bekka valley, folks...)?

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Israel building the Simon Wiesenthal center over a Muslim graveyard -if true- is absolute poetic justice. Years of dhimmitude, pig/monkey insults, and terrorization from the Pals get re-paid in style. Simply marvelous.

Have U thought of moving to North Korea?

A little "reeducation" might be just what the doc ordered. Dovid!!

Liberal are all alike hide under there bed call everyone a lier. I guest we should just wait till we see the cloud going up and then yell Bush lied Bush lied. However hundred of thousand will be dead by then from a mad man in Iran.

liberal fight in war also - just ask Murtha, Hackett, Clelland, Kerry and many many other. Guest where bush, cheney, rummy, delay et al were during wars? Hiding under bed!