David Corn is one of the best journalists I know.

I don't know you David, but I agree with that quote. Keep giving them hell!

David,

We are all entitled to our opinions. But remember the old saw about "sticks and stones".

Hang in there.

That *cede to the middle* is all malarky!! That's what they say EVERYTIME a good, valid and Correct point get made against them. Distract from the issue at hand (with or without non-fishing related injuries *wink*) and claim it's all biased cause it's from a supposedly biased source. Or a far left-leaning source. Or an Out-of-the-Main-Stream Source. Fooey! But why you bother with what ole Loofah thinks of you...it's yer party you can cry if ya want to - but I wouldn't care WHAT that lying hypocrite would have to say. Especially as he is too much of a Blowhard Coward to invite on to refute him face-to-face. %-)

OReilly went to the Pat Robertson school of public speaking, graduated top of his class with a degree in BUFFOONERY. Can anybody take him seriously? A hack with his head up his butt crack. MSM TROLL

David sounds like Capt, he cries about someone calling him a name when he has just done the same thing to someone else before all of the blathering.

David,

I think you should write him again. Tell him you'd like to put aside the partisan BS and discuss the wonders of loofahs and falafel. I'm sure he'd enjoy.

Mr. David Corn,

You are on the right side and doing the right things if your writing and works makes steam shoot from O'Reily's ears like a cartoon character. (which is what he is)

Bill's blowhard bloviations are confirmation of your competence and substantial contribution. I think of it as some free advertising for your next book.

"David Corn is one of the best journalists I know. He was the first person to blow the whistle on the outing of Valerie Plame, which damaged our national security."

That is no small mention. Nice of Paul and as he knows so many journalists, a very high compliment but made more so the fact that you get all the kudos for breaking the Plame story!

Thanks again for all of your work!

Kirk

David,

I don't think Bush supporters think that anyone can be both objective AND critize the Bush adiministration at the same time. You are either with them or against them and if you are against them or criticize them you are labeled as a "liberal pinko commie" or something. Don't even spend the time on it.

What the heck are you trying to catch in the middle of January?

Did you catch the phrase "bomb thrower"? They are trying very hard to label anyone who disagrees with Bush as jihadist's.

You should take O'Rielly fishing sometime.

LBH,

The point is that David is a journalist who happens to report the truth about Bush's lies. Therefore he is cited as being on the "far-left". However, before the war began - before Bush was even elected, David was telling it like it is about both the Democrats and the Republicans.

What David is pointing out is that Bill O'Reilly is a hypocrite and won't put him money where his mouth is. But I say he shouldn't waste any more time on it because Bill O'Lielly isn't worth it.

*HIS money where his mouth is...

I live near the Chesapeake Bay. I love fishing, I used to go every single day. Now thanks to our Republican Governor, Bob Ehrlich, the Bay and its tributaries have become a toxic cesspool. When you buy a fishing license it now comes with a handy toxic fish chart. The chart shows the levels of poison in each fish species and the maximum number of fish you can eat each month, should you be so foolish. Last year I caught one fish.

GOP group wants death count list removed

DOYLESTOWN, Pa. -- The death count of Iraq casualties posted in the front window of the Bucks County Democratic Committee irks a Republican group so much that they’ve asked for it to be removed.

The count is under a sign that reads "We Honor Our Fallen Heroes" and is updated every day, according to Democratic officials.

"Why do you need the number of deaths if you want to honor our troops," said Don Petrille, chairman of the Bucks County Federation of Young Republicans.

"We don’t know what using the death toll adds to the message of support to our troops. I’ve written Democratic Party Chairman John Cordisco asking that something be done, but I haven’t heard anything yet."

The count yesterday stood at 2,224 of our military personnel who have been killed.

His group started talking about the count last November and decided to speak up about it at this month’s meeting, Petrille said.

He said the sign went up shortly before November’s election and Petrille said they think it is politically motivated because the war was started by the Republicans in Washington.

"It ignores all the accomplishments we made in Iraq, such as eliminating the torture rooms, we overthrew Saddam Hussein,and general elections were held to form a permanent government, Petrille said.

He said that is not a way to tout your political point of view.

Democrats, however, called the sign a way to honor fallen service members.

"Perhaps some are more comfortable thinking of war only in generalities," said Neil Samuels, the deputy chairman of the party.

"But the cost of war is not just political and economic -- it’s personal. And it is that terrible personal cost that causes us to memorialize and honor each hero’s sacrifice."

Cordisco was out of his office yesterday and was unable to comment.

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The GOPhers like to claim they honor the fallen but reality and the numbers are too grim to recognize? What a bunch of cry babies. The little armchair generals and chicken-hawks have no honor, no self respect as evidenced by the desire to stick their collective heads up their collective asses and pretend the numbers do not matter.

The body count does not "It ignores all the accomplishments we made in Iraq" it just records the cost of those small accomplishments and what kind of dividend or government is getting per fallen hero. If the bargain is worth it the numbers would be celebrated by the same GOPhers, the fact that the numbers expose how little Busheney has achieved for the thousands killed does not diminish the contribution of those fallen heroes it just records the cost to every true and patriotic American.

The surviving families and the fallen heroes killed in this illegal and unwarranted hobby war deserve far better than the GOP groups have to offer. They should be ashamed.

capt

Will media report facts undermining Bush administration's "reasonable basis" defense of spy program's legality?

The DeWine amendment

As Greenwald documented, DeWine introduced legislation on June 20, 2002, proposing "to modify the standard of proof for issuance" of FISA warrants from "probable cause to reasonable suspicion" in the case of warrants to conduct surveillance on "non-U.S. persons." From the Congressional Record:

S. 2659. A bill to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to modify the standard of proof for issuance of orders regarding non-United States persons from probable cause to reasonable suspicion; to the Select Committee on Intelligence.

The "reasonable suspicion" standard that DeWine sought to establish is precisely the basis on which the Bush administration now claims to have determined the need to bypass FISA to spy on domestic phone calls without a court-ordered FISA warrant.

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To change from "probable cause" to "reasonable suspicion" they would have to modify the fourth amendment.

The language is very specific and no amount of spin or BS from the DOJ or the WH can change that one simple fact. Busheney over-reached badly. They committed crimes against the constitution they swore to uphold and protect.

Time for impeachment.

capt

"It ignores all the accomplishments we made in Iraq, such as eliminating the torture rooms, we overthrew Saddam Hussein,and general elections were held to form a permanent government", Petrille said......Oh yea we got rid of the "torture rooms" in Iraq and moved them to an undisclosed CIA gulag, and let us not forget Abu Garaib. These people NEVER quit do they? They are Chickenhawks-a-plenty. In addition to the troops killed fighting this illigitimate war they should list the lives lost in the civillian arena, and the troops maimed by IEDS that are also conveniently ignored so chimpy can't read the, OOPS forgot, Chickenhawk-in-Chief doesnt read, bad news. Jim Lehrer posts soldiers killed during his broadcast...in silence.

Did you guys catch the Deputy Director of the NSA trying to tell a reporter the Fourth Amendment did not mention probable cause? That was scary.

Bush the Incompetent

Incompetence is not one of the seven deadly sins, and it's hardly the worst attribute that can be ascribed to George W. Bush. But it is this president's defining attribute. Historians, looking back at the hash that his administration has made of his war in Iraq, his response to Hurricane Katrina and his Medicare drug plan, will have to grapple with how one president could so cosmically botch so many big things -- particularly when most of them were the president's own initiatives.

In numbing profusion, the newspapers are filled with litanies of screw-ups. Yesterday's New York Times brought news of the first official assessment of our reconstruction efforts in Iraq, in which the government's special inspector general depicted a policy beset, as Times reporter James Glanz put it, "by gross understaffing, a lack of technical expertise, bureaucratic infighting [and] secrecy." At one point, rebuilding efforts were divided, bewilderingly and counterproductively, between the Army Corps of Engineers and, for projects involving water, the Navy. That's when you'd think a president would make clear in no uncertain terms that bureaucratic turf battles would not be allowed to impede Iraq's reconstruction. But then, the president had no guiding vision for how to rebuild Iraq -- indeed, he went to war believing that such an undertaking really wouldn't require much in the way of American treasure and American lives.

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The last three paragraphs are worth the price of the ride!

capt

Corky,

It seems like none of the neoconmen have ever bothered to actually read that GD piece of paper for fear of the wrath of Bunnypants.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Pretty simple English, clearly stated the president has committed high crimes. Time to impeach.

capt

capt.

Did you see that video? That Air Force guy was scolding the reporter and steadfastly stuck to his incorrect statement.

"O'REILLY: It doesn't get -- it doesn't get more far left. If you want to stake that territory out, I'm just telling you, you cede the middle."

OOOHHH PAWLEASE.
O'Reilly is so far right he needs an oxygen tank to breath.

#21
Corky,
He was do'in his job, just do'in his job.

Asked if he thought Bush had broken the law, McCain replied, "I don't know. I want to be perfectly clear. I don't know the answer. That's why I welcome the hearings."......I don't know about anyone else but Im getting sick of these "elected officials" not being able to uphold the constitution of which they swore an oath. They should know better.

David Corn consider yourself honored to be attacked by O'Lielly. All he is a nutcase fodder for the neocons and the irreligious right.

Paul Craig Roberts is a conservative who writes for the Wall Street Journal. He has chosen country over party. I enjoy reading articles by conservatives who choose country over party. Arianna is another conservative who chooses country over party.

#259 Saladin, from the previous thread, the problem with DU is its life expectancy is 4.5 billion years but with that number there are doubters on the years so I just now say one billion years. Add to that all the malignancies that come with the dumping of DU and you can see the really problems in store for our planet. DU is part of the Project for the Next or New American Century and the creative destruction that is to kill off six billion people.

If you are a neocon or an irreligious right member, you must be peeing in your pants with excitement over all the dead people that will be on our roads to scoop up and placed in communal graves.

Oh gee, atta-boys all around for those dilligent NSA snoops, keeping the terrorists at bay, wonder if they will bring out the "Cone of Silence" when the Chickenhawk-in-Chief shows up.

Gerald said: If you are a neocon or an irreligious right member, you must be peeing in your pants with excitement over all the dead people that will be on our roads to scoop up and placed in communal graves........All this time I thought they were bedwetters, learn something new every day eh Gerald?

You are indeed a fine journalist. I check your blog every day and subscribe to the Nation.

Corky,

I read about it, did not see the actual video but I shy away from stuff that makes me want to inject some 9mm lead into my TV or computer screen! HA!

Bad enough reading about such idiots.

capt

DEN 24

[Asked if he thought Bush had broken the law, McCain replied, "I don't know. I want to be perfectly clear. I don't know the answer. That's why I welcome the hearings."]

That's because McCain is a far-left pinko appeaser. If he was a true American he would have said "Bush IS the law." When you listen to McCain you cede the middle. He's a bomb thrower.

You really have to love the repugnants. They are such warm fuzzies. Now they are trying to remove the death count. That's right! The dead aren't dead; they just vanished in thin air. Where they are, nobody knows?

The two greatest linguists are Stengel and his Stengelese and Yogi and his Yogisms.

Bill O'Reilly makes me sick. He's made so many outrageous comments they are too numerous to keep track of...but, remember his comments about San Francisco?

"You know, if I'm the president of the United States, I walk right into Union Square, I set up my little presidential podium and I say, 'Listen, citizens of San Francisco, if you vote against military recruiting, you're not going to get another nickel in federal funds,' " O'Reilly said Nov. 8 on his radio show.

"Fine. You want to be your own country? Go right ahead," O'Reilly went on. "And if al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, 'Look, every other place in America is off limits to you except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.' "
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And the busheviks yammer about responsible discourse!!!

O'Lielly is such a LIAR that he's "earned" the award of Misinformer of the Year.

#27 DEN, I like the bedwetter comment. The only time I peed in my pants is when I drank too much beer and couldn't make it to the restroom on time. I would say to friends at the start of an evening of drinking, "Make sure you get me to the restroom on time."

BTW, does anyone know if O'Lielly was ever in combat? He claimed on his show, talking to two Iraqi veterans, that he knew all about combat because he'd "seen combat and knows what it's like." (paraphrasing slightly)

Sounds to me like he was being...disingenuous? Or a BIG FAT LIAR?

O'Lielly is a member of the triangle of hate in the media. The other two members are Hannity and Limbaugh.

34 Micki, O'Reilly was a journalist in "combat" in the Falklands or Grenada. Tries to pass that off as military experience, hoping no one will notice. Someone called in to his radio show and called him on it. Bill got real mad and nasty and hung up on the guy, calling him "tough guy". Al Franken has repeatedly played the exchange on his program on Air America, and it is pretty funny. Check out sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com.

http://sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/

Yes, micki, bill is an inveterate liar.

Don, I work in Charleston. We can do lunch. Or not.

HOT, HOT, HOT! Diebold sleeping in the same bed with...........Wally Mart! YES! this forum is ON IT

"I'll tell you what. I've been in combat. I've seen it, I've been close to it... and if my unit is danger, and I've got a captured guy, and the guy knows where the enemy is, and I'm looking him in the eye, the guy better tell me. That's all I'm gonna tell you. The guy better tell me. If it's life or death, he's going first." That's O'Reilly talking, and he sounds like a tough veteran, but if not an outright lie it is at least a bluff. O'Reilly was never in the military.

O'Lielly should be raked over the coals for his big fat lies.

Driving Affordable Health Care Over A Cliff

We face a major crisis in this nation. Our health system is collapsing. We now spend a record-high 16 percent of our economy on health care. Premiums have risen by 73 percent since 2000. And businesses now spend nearly $450 billion on health benefits –†not counting their Medicare payroll taxes. In a few short years, the health costs of Fortune 500 companies will exceed their profits. Despite these costs, the U.S. ranks 34th on life expectancy, 41st in infant mortality, and 37th, according to the World Health Organization, in health system performance. In short, we need fundamental change.

The problem is not a lack of ideas. It is a lack of leadership. The only answer that the President has to this crisis is so-called consumer-driven health care. This means shifting costs to people through high deductibles, and shifting risk and responsibility to patients.

This is a bad idea for three reasons:

1. It makes the wrong assumptions about health care. A person with chest pain is not in a position to decide on which tests to take and what drugs he needs. A $1,000 deductible is not going to make a person switch hospitals to get an extra hour of hospital care, which is all that the deductible can buy. Health care is not a commodity. When we buy a car, we don’¥ want to have the parts dropped off on our front lawns. Consumer-driven care just doesn’¥ make sense for health care.

2. It assumes that individuals can go up against industry and win. Look at the Medicare drug benefit. My mother has to choose from 73 plans. It is impossible for her to figure out which has the lowest prices. Rather than pooling the purchasing power of seniors to leverage lower prices, this drug benefit allows for drug companies to charge higher prices and insurers to profit. So, if you like the Medicare drug benefit, you will love consumer-directed health care.

3. It pits the healthy against the sick. About 70 percent of costs in the U.S. health system are for the top 10 percent most expensive people. These people’≥ costs are well above the deductible, so a high deducible won’¥ change their behavior.

Consumer-directed health care is not the answer, and it will make matters worse. Instead, we should embrace comprehensive health reform based on four simple pillars. It should provide affordable health care for all Americans, ensure choice of doctors and plans, contain costs, and prioritize prevention.

Posted by Tom Daschle
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There are so many unnecessary costs in health care directly related to the industry itself. How many for profit insurance companies do we need in this country to have good health care? We need national health care for the good of the country and the economy. We need it now.

thnx Robb! thnx fact-checker!

I like Barbara, she speaks her mind on important issues like her speech yesterday on Alitotos appt. to the SCOTUS. Read it HERE. She has more cahones than most of the MEN.
She IS a Fox!... Gerald, she one of yours?

Oh here's a good one. David, you'll appreciate this one.
Without acknowledging error, O'Reilly modified false Abramoff claim; attacked "organized terror" from "far-left websites"

From the January 23 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

O'REILLY: "Personal Story" segment tonight: We've been telling you for years that the far left in America is very organized, very vicious, and will stop at nothing to intimidate people with whom it disagrees. Enter Washington Post ombudsman Deborah Howell. She suggested in a column that convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff gave money to both political parties. Well, that is true in the sense that Abramoff directed contributions to both parties. His personal donations were to Republicans. Well, apparently, some far-left websites didn't like Miss Howell's reporting, so they attacked her personally. And editors of The Washington Post had to shut down the comment section of their website. Nice. Joining us now from Washington: Juan Williams, a Fox News analyst and former Washington Post correspondent.

We couldn't track down Deborah Howell. You know, if she wants to come on, I'd like to talk to her. But here's what she said, quote: "It is profoundly distressing that political discord [sic: discourse] has sunk to a level where abusive name-calling and the crudest of sexual language are the norm, where facts have no place in an argument. This unbounded, unreasoning rage is not going to help this newspaper, this country or democracy." Now, as you know, Juan, because I deal with this every day, these smear websites, this is what they do on a daily basis. They put out a fatwa against O'Reilly or anybody else they don't like, in this case Deborah Howell at The Washington Post, usually sympathetic to the left. All right? And then their overexuberant readers go in and, you know, do this kind of personal attack. And there's nothing we can do to stop it, but I think the exposure of it is worthy....

...On the January 23 O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly went on to further attack "far-left" "smear sites," claiming they engage in "organized terror":

O'REILLY: But there's an intimidation factor here, and that's what they're after. Don't say anything against us, don't say anything against the left or the right, or we'll come after you and we'll smear you, and we don't care what we say. And that's what's going on.

Nancy, Rita, Greta -- we need you here, now, in S.F. We have a story of our own, and it's heartbreaking

I don't care to comment anymore (though I may have to) about how disappointing CNN is. That will come as good news to CNN. Maybe people at the channel will stop sending me e-mails about how I've hurt their feelings, or how wrong I am about their pathetic decline.

I don't care about Fox News either, about whether it's actually fair or balanced. That discussion is tiring and serves merely as free advertising. I will say this: There's a laughably righteous anger to all the post-40 white guys who watch that channel. Their lemminglike sense of outrage at so-called liberals and the mainstream media (or "MSM," the cliched shorthand that pops up in their frequently misspelled e-mail rants, which I joyfully delete in blocks) says less about their political beliefs than it does about their myopic sense of oppression. That could probably be fixed by traveling abroad.

MSNBC hired Maury Povich and Connie Chung. Why launch a failure analysis when there's a match, a gas can and a bag of rags out back?

Each of these news channels can eat its young for all I care. No more constant monitoring. I'll TiVo "The NewsHour" on PBS, "The Daily Show" and "The Colbert Report" on Comedy Central, and Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" on MSNBC, instead.

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I do not have TiVo but I do have a DVR and use it to record everything I watch. I record the show first so I can skip past the commercials.

It has been over a year since I completely quit CNN, MSNBC and the others. I think I am better informed than they will ever be. I can get better more meaningful information from the Corn blog (when the trolls allow us the time and space).

Why do the "news" channels offer such crud?

"As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it." ~ Dick Cavett (1936 - )

capt

Hey! don't we have a troll named Bill? HHMMMMMMM

I'll never forget when O'Reilly said "he would bury the subordinate" who was accusing him of sexual harrasment. Denying it uncategorically when the news first broke that he had phone sex with this woman, he slandered the woman on the airwaves. Then all of a sudden we found out she had concrete proof (tapes) that he and she did indeed share intimate moments on the phone. He went from burying her to lining her bank account with between 6 and 10 million dollars. Bill O'Lielly is a political charleton who is in the same catergory with Swaggart and Baker. and yet. His show gets the highest ratings on Cable news outlets with an avg audience of around 2.5 million viewers. Knowing that many people watch this scumbag is disheartening.

You want a good laugh? Read his book for kids. Do as I say, not as I do.
Chapters on bullying, on sexual harrassment. I guess if you're going to learn about those topics you may as well learn it from an expert.

David,

We love you, man, but you've got to admit, you're pretty far left. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Mr. Corn,
Bill O'Reilly is simply trying to occupy your time with triviality; thereby distracting your attention away from more important investigative journalism.

Why do we waste time, effort or print on 'pond scun' as is o'reilly? I love to email him and ask him to go head to head with Al Franken again, nothing like seeing him get his ass handed to him. This guy is something you wipe off the bottom of your shoe!

David...take it as a compliment. If you are getting under O'Rile..ly's skin...this is a good thing. I find you left on some issues and "wrong" on other issues. If O'Rile..ly finds your opinions just leaning one way what does that say. He doesn't read what you write.

well ...keep in mind that 60 % of what bill says is crap....

keep up the great work dave

If someone says something horribly untrue about you you have two choices, give them a soapbox, on which to launch future attacks, or you can ignore them like the pond scum they clearly are.

Not saying I don't respond occasionally, but I try to keep it to a shot or two over their bow, anything more gives credence to their demented point of view.

O Riley is a wack job of the first order. Yelling at bot boy is always overkill. They wan't to provoke us to say something they can spin in their favor.

Denial is more than a river in Egypt.

Food for thought.

A whirling dervish like Loofah Bill spins at all times while demanding to know if are you are going to believe the lying tape or him? That man has neither morals not character. He is a poor imitation of his father. Fox would be better without him. Of course Fox would be better if 99% of their rightwing staff were to drown in their own sea of lies.

Any one who listens to Bill O'Reilly deserves what they get, "garbage." I have seen Paul Begala on tv many times. A very smart man who knows what he's talking about unlike O'Reilly who doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground. I'll continue to listen to smart people like Corn and Begala and the neocons can continue swimming in the filth which comes from the mouths like O'Reilly, Chaney, Rove and Bush....

David Corn is not a Journalist. What a joke that anyone would claim such a thing. He is a Leftwing Moonbat. OK. That should clear things up.

Everyone should remember that Bush and his minions all have a congenital inability to tell the truth. They HAVE to lie. The pity is that the morons who make up at least half of America believe him. Hell, if he molested babies on the White House lawn at noon every day, they'd think it was okay.

D.Corn,

Not sure that you read these, but you should be honored when B.O'reilly calls you a leftist. Thats his way of saying he knows your "right" and has no way to refute your remarks. I walked in my barn this morning and came upon an angry racoon, I meant him no harm but boy did he/she show me some teeth!

David Corn, I'm not sure why you bother to go on FOX at all. Why do you? David

before we went to iraq, most democrats also believed there was WMD in Iraq. including Ted Kennedy, and Hillary Clinton, and Bill Clinton