I would just like to say that I have been following this blog for months now although not posting much and it disturbs me that posters like baf are bringing down the level of discourse so low that it hurts to read. I now skip his postings and perhaps shouldn't be letting on that it bothers me but it's annoying that he can crap in the middle of an intelligent discussion and get off scott free. The price we pay for an open forum I suppose.

Hillary is so funny, trying to walk her tight rope between RIGHT and left.

Hillary Clinton says, "If I new then what I know now, I would not have voted to go to war".

I suppose that means if she new then what she knows now, she would not have wanted to pull out of Vietnam, since we now know Pol Pot murdered 2,000,000 people when we cut and run surrendered.

At least I hope she would not want 2,000,000 more people to be murdered just because some gutless libs and left wing reporters were filling American's heads with the same kind of shit those same types of gutless libs and left wing reporters are now trying to fill American's heads with today.

Sound good lefties?

F**K those Iraqi's if they can't take a joke

David,
I feel that anyone who comes in contact with this administration ends up tainted. The reporter does not know what is a lie or the truth. No one knows if they are being used, and most likely they are. They don't know who among them is being an honest reporter and who's a lap dog. As with all disfunctional groups, the white house enjoys knowing that they have everybody on their guard and trusting no one.

The damage being inflicted on your profession and our country is not calculable. Maybe this is the washington scene as you've always known it but I would prefer to think we, as a country, are better than who we are right now.

By the way, I agree with the assessment (from the previous post #32) of the law firm Timo, Bore, and Morons. And I believe in Vivica Novak's integrity.

#1
It's a power game. Ignore it.

Jeanne 3,

If you haven't realized by now, every administration is and has been the same since the beginning. You are either naive, or you just started to get interested in politics.

Clinton was no different, Regan was no different, J.F.K was no different ETC .....

So which is it, naive or new comer?

Strange game where the point is to bring low or to ruin but that seems to parallel this administration.

Sounds like Turdblossom's mouthpiece will try to do anything to turn the fact around that the slimy SOB outed a covert CIA agent.

The BIG question is what cards is Rove holding that keeps him in the Throne Room at the West Wing?

That's a hand I'd like to see played!

-T

we never did find out who shot J.R.?

Hajji, 7

Don't you mean ...
Corn outed a coffee fetching CIA secretary ?

Who Rules America

"The war on 'terror' will never be over, it will just change locations. Like the war on drugs, prostitution, pornography, and the many others that will follow, it is a war on humanity. These wars will never be won; the State will just keep creating new boogiemen to frighten us with. The sheep will anxiously anticipate the next fall guy the State offers up as a sacrifice for the war on whatever happens to be next. Be careful, the next pawn could be me or you."

Mike Wasdin

How ARE we doin' in that "War on Drugs". I know that for a large part of my life, I've been known to be SUPPORTING the enemy in that one!

Judging by my Eckerd's tab, Maybe we should be havin' a war on drug COMPANIES!

I can get opiates MUCH cheaper on the corner, but Roscoe doesn't take my HMO!

-T

Silverstein has already started reconstruction of the steel frame building #7 and another building, the 1776-foot Freedom Tower. Cost estimates for rebuilding the WTC site range from $10 to $12 billion. Given these estimates, one has to wonder how much asbestos removal and renovation would have cost for the towers.

Not soaking John Q. Public Enough? We'll sell the missiles to Israel and since I've seen into your soul, there, Ivan Whoeverthehellya 'r...YOU can sell stuff to them Eyeranakis!

Russia to sell 29 air defense systems to Iran
12/03/2005 23:17
The 700-million-dollar transaction is said to become Russia's largest deal since 2000

Russia intends to sell 29 Tor M-1 anti-missile systems capable of downing cruise missiles and air bombs to Iran, the Vedomosti newspaper wrote with reference to an anonymous manager of a defense enterprise. According to the newspaper, the contract on the matter has already been signed.
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And the escalation, uhm, escalates!

-T

Mr. David Corn,

I absolutely stand by your assessment (you know the players) and appreciate your insights.

I am sure your friend is being honest and that is enough for me. What effect her honesty has on the case is not as important as the truth.

The truth does matter without regard for the outcome. We should all count our lucky stars for people with integrity and honesty. You are lucky to have such friends and we are all lucky to have you sharing what you know.

As always - Thanks for all of your work!

Kirk

James,
Did you read my post from the previous day about my engineering friend?

Hajji,
I want to know the answer to that too.

The question about the cards Rove is holding that is.

"How ARE we doin' in that "War on Drugs"."

I surrendered years ago.

capt

My bong got busted and the shop down the way had a restraining order on what it could sell so if I was to get another bong of the like I had it was going to take a long convoluted journey. So I just surrendered. I really miss that old bong. The war against my drugs is over.

9/11 Story Pulled

SURE we've got a "Free Press" in America. HA!

We were amazed that a FOX affiliate had actually done a story on 9/11 that WASN'T a "tinfoil hat hit piece." ...So amazed in fact that we linked to their website so other people could see for themselves. -Oh, but our amazement was short lived.

Within days, the story was killed, the transcript removed from their website, the video links taken down, and all references in the archives were gone. POOF, just like that, it never existed.

Wouldn't you love to know who "gave the order" to make that story disappear without a trace? They must be pretty powerful, huh?

This only further reinforces what we already know: There is a deliberate effort by the mainstream media to suppress the irrefutable evidence of a 9/11 cover up. No problem. We've got a copy of the video below. Be sure to save one for yourself and then spread this info FAR and WIDE.

This is what the government and the corporate media criminals didn't feel you had the right to see.

http://tree3.com/video/fox.wmv

Oh, and maybe you should drop them a line...ask them why they pulled the story. Ask them why, if what the government says is true, they're so afraid of THE EVIDENCE.

http://www.wicz.com/FOX40/localnews.asp

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Go figure. Let's make some noise?

capt

From Charley Reese's most recent column at antiwar.com: "Communication of truth...is a fairly low priority in Washington, for the simple reason that if the public knew the complete and whole truth about the federal government, most of the politicians would be looking for work after the next election."

That rather says it all, y'all.

From the swamps of Arkansas, Ivory Bill Woodpecker

I hope the Viveca Novak connection sinks Karl Rove.

On another matter...

Bush hopes for lift from upbeat reports

Man oh man... President Jumpy Jaw's poll numbers are still in the toilet so the White House Storytellers are claiming the economy is humming along just fine -- and HE DID IT!

They pull a new trick out of their hat every day!

Documents Show Katrina's Political Storm

By CONNIE MABIN
Associated Press Writer

December 3, 2005

NEW ORLEANS —†As Hurricane Katrina roared ashore and began its assault on homes and lives across Louisiana, a political storm was brewing in the Louisiana governor's office and the White House, newly released documents show.

The 100,000 pages of documents that Blanco sent to Congress on Friday include a series of letters starting with one Blanco sent President Bush a day before the hurricane hit.

"I have determined that this incident will be of such severity and magnitude that effective response will be beyond the capabilities of the state and the affected local governments and that supplementary federal assistance will be necessary," Blanco wrote.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said Saturday that she hadn't seen the documents.

"There are many reviews underway to look back and review how the events unfolded during that week and all levels of government have to take stock of what happened, act on that and make sure that it doesn't happen again," Perino said.

The Democratic governor's staff also griped that Republicans were attacking Blanco.

"Rove is on the prowl," says one unexplained Sept. 3 message from Kopplin to Mann, a reference to Bush adviser Karl Rove.

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Drip, drip, drip. The lies are being exposed so fast it is hard to keep count.

capt

"President Jumpy Jaw" HA! GOOD ONE~!

indeed, noise should be made! it isn't just FOX who are fux, they ALL are....

PUBLIC ENEMY #1: the media!

The next dark void of political sophistry an inquiring mind must traverse is that of the false journalistic posturing that offers that the press is always mindful of the stresses of those in power in Washington, especially during a time of war. This stance excuses journalists and the press from asking the "hard" questions. But what is so biased about questions such as those inquiring as to our military's body counts, or battle maps, or communicating information in terms of front line combat film and videos as was the practice in World War II, Korea and Vietnam? How about advancing this simple question: Where's the "front?" Why virtually no combat videos or photos from any MSM entity? Without even a rudimentary front line, it is clear we are fighting armed civilians, armed civilians who are not "insurgents," but in reality freedom fighters, constituting an armed resistance against Bush's illegal and immoral invasion.

Gonzales on Texas Redistricting: It's the Senates Fault for confirming Ashcroft

A document obtained by the Washington Post reveal that career lawyers in the Justice Department unanimously concluded that Tom DeLay's plan to redistrict Texas violated the Voting Rights Act:

The memo, unanimously endorsed by six lawyers and two analysts in the department's voting section, said the redistricting plan illegally diluted black and Hispanic voting power in two congressional districts.

Nevertheless, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft and other partisan political appointees overruled them and approved DeLay's plan anyway. This morning, Gonzales made little effort to defend the substance of the decision and passed blame to the Senate who confirmed Ashcroft and other top officials:

Gonzales said the plan was approved by people "confirmed by the Senate to exercise their own independent judgment" and their disagreement with other agency employees doesn't mean the final decision was wrong.

Question: If there was nothing wrong with the decision, why did the Justice Department go to such great lengths to keep the memo secret?

The 73-page memo, dated Dec. 12, 2003, has been kept under tight wraps for two years. Lawyers who worked on the case were subjected to an unusual gag rule. The memo was provided to The Post by a person connected to the case who is critical of the adopted redistricting map.
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That's disfunction. Next he's be blaming the blacks and the Hispanics.

Truth is non-partisan. It doesn't' subscribe to a particular political philosophy. And truth is not served by an alternative media that looks at things from a partisan political slant. A Robert Novak who writes that all things Democratic are bad is no different from a William Rivers Pitt who claims the same things about Republicans." Perfectly said, and in fact, a repeat of my own quote in my newsletter founding my own citizen's action group: Truth is non-partisan.

Once this simple concept is grasped, the propaganda rants of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, as well as those of Michael Moore, Al Franken, and William Rivers Pitt, fall by the wayside. Their opinions and statements are totally irrelevant. They support what is only the most evil and immoral aspect of American life: politics.

Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason. ~ Unknown

Robert Scheer former columnist from the LA Times put part of the blame for his firing on O'Reilly who tried to shred him every day. In my opinion that would be an honor but when your paper has been taken over by a neo-con accountant there isn't much chance of surviving the cut.

David: You didn't explain why your sources had to remain anonymous. What is this? Are they whistleblowers risking their positions to give you the lowdown on what really happened in a private conversation between a source and a reporter? You also don't explain how your sources could be in a position to know. Why not?

I'm not doubting your story, by the way. I have no reason to doubt it. I also have no basis on which to evaluate it, other than to say to myself, "Well, I trust David Corn." Is that the best you can do?

The new policy of the New York Times (not always followed) is to explain why anonymity was granted to a source in the story where the source is quoted, so that readers have some sense of the paper's reasoning. What's your policy?

The Al-Jazeera Memo

Those exposing the nefarious activities of the government machine merit support. The state will always portray such individuals as treasonous and a threat to national security. They are neither. These brave and honourable people are patriots. The REAL traitors and the REAL threat to our security are those within the government apparatus who lie to us on a daily basis, seek to curtail and erode our civil liberties, misuse our military in phony wars, and engage in acts of State-sponsored terrorism.

The Al-Jazeera Memo

Those exposing the nefarious activities of the government machine merit support. The state will always portray such individuals as treasonous and a threat to national security. They are neither. These brave and honourable people are patriots. The REAL traitors and the REAL threat to our security are those within the government apparatus who lie to us on a daily basis, seek to curtail and erode our civil liberties, misuse our military in phony wars, and engage in acts of State-sponsored terrorism.

I don't think I can handle Meet the Press tomorrow. I'll have read Kathleen's recap. She has a much stronger stomach than me.

Sunday, December 4th
Exclusive! Sen. John McCain, R-AZ, on Iraq. Then, the Chair & Vice Chair of the 9/11 Commission, Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton, on their final report on terrorism & U.S. preparedness, "The 9/11 Commission Report: The Unfinished Agenda"

This Morning might be kind of interesting. Stephen Hadley is going to be on with Rep Murtha. Hmmmm.

mibu # 2
says

Hillary is so funny, trying to walk her tight rope between RIGHT and left.

Hillary Clinton says, "If I new then what I know now, I would not have voted to go to war".

I suppose that means if she new then what she knows now, she would not have wanted to pull out of Vietnam, since we now know Pol Pot murdered 2,000,000 people when we cut and run surrendered.

At least I hope she would not want 2,000,000 more people to be murdered just because some gutless libs and left wing reporters were filling American's heads with the same kind of shit those same types of gutless libs and left wing reporters are now trying to fill American's heads with today.

Sound good lefties?

F**K those Iraqi's if they can't take a joke

Good one, no one here has the guts to tackle it.

"Broken, Worn Out" and "Living Hand to Mouth"
The Revolt of the Generals

By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

The immense significance of Rep John Murtha's November 17 speech calling for immediate withdrawal from Iraq is that it signals mutiny in the US senior officer corps, seeing the institution they lead as "broken, worn out" and "living hand to mouth", to use the biting words of their spokesman, John Murtha, as he reiterated on December his denunciation of Bush's destruction of the Army.

A CounterPuncher with nearly 40 years experience working in and around the Pentagon told me this week that "The Four Star Generals picked Murtha to make this speech because he has maximum credibility." It's true. Even in the US Senate there's no one with quite Murtha's standing to deliver the message, except maybe for Byrd, but the venerable senator from West Virginia was a vehement opponent of the war from the outset , whereas Murtha voted for it and only recently has turned around.

So the Four-Star Generals briefed Murtha and gave him the state-of-the-art data which made his speech so deadly, stinging the White House into panic-stricken and foolish denunciations of Murtha as a clone of Michael Moore.

It cannot have taken vice president Cheney, a former US Defense Secretary, more than a moment to scan Murtha's speech and realize the import of Murtha's speech as an announcement that the generals have had enough.
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Yeah, I think I'll watch This Week with George S.

#34
Maybe we wouldn't tackle it because it's a stupid comment and you are the same person as #2.

Mr. Corn...please give it a break on the Plame-gate thing.

Rove is never going to jail. Cheney is never going to jail. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just engaging in wishful thinking.

They are untouchable...above the law. Even if they took machine guns and murdered a hundred people during the Super Bowl Halftime Show, with thousands of eyewitnesses, they would walk. They are above the law, untouchable. They are, literally, the Chimp's trainers. He will do whatever they say. No matter what they do, he will write a get-out-of-jail-free card for them.

Bob in North Dakota

Saying "No" to King Herod The Forgotten Christmas Story

By Rev. WILLIAM E. ALBERTS

There is a forgotten Christmas story. A story rarely dwelled on in Christian churches. A story often drowned out by a "multitude of the heavenly hosts" singing Christmas carols. It is not the story of Jesus' birth. It is the related story of a "troubled" King Herod ordering the slaughter of all the male Jewish children "two years old or under" in the region of Bethlehem, to kill off any threat to his power prophesied by the birth of a messiah. It is the story of "wailing and loud lamentation," of "Rachel weeping [inconsolably] for her children, because they were no more." (Matthew 2:1-18) I believe it is the real story of Christmas. Thus honoring Jesus' birth includes responding to today's Rachels and their children because that is what Jesus was about.

Who are today's Rachels and their children? Inconsolable weeping continues to be heard throughout Iraq, where, between 1990-98 alone, US-controlled UN economic sanctions contributed to the deaths of some 500,000 Iraqi children under five years of age. And Rachel's "bitter weeping" has intensified with the March 19, 2003 Bush administration-led invasion and ensuing occupation of Iraq_"wailing and loud lamentation" that have helped to fuel a powerful insurgency. And it is here that we see today's King Herod.

President Bush has followed in King Herod's footsteps, using secrecy and deception to pursue US global domination.
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I'd like to see Bill O'Reilly talk about this Christmas story instead of the fake non story he's peddling these days.

Bob,
I'm not so sure. Nixon and his gang thought they were above the law. It didn't work out so well for them.

Going back to #20----Wouldn't you love to know who "gave the order" to make that story disappear without a trace? They must be pretty powerful, huh?

Sure! But more than 'the story' I would want to see the evidence--such as What hit the Pentagon?
The films are there, why withhold the evidence of the Boing 757 crashing the Pentagon and leaving a small hole that a Boing 757 would not fit into?
Unless the evidence would not show a Boing 757, but it would show what did (or did not)make the hole. And if the hole was not due to the Boing 757, then what happened to the 757?
Where is the 757?

"he will write a get-out-of-jail-free card for them."

Of course, you are right however I think we should make Bunnypants write the pardons. We would be remiss to pardon the criminals before they are charged even if they carry a presidential pardon in their pocket.

Sure they will never spend a day in jail but that is no reason to give them a pass.

It really does not matter if anybody does any jail time, just look at what has happened so far. Sure Judas Miller did her 85 days but no jail time for Libby, or any of that group but the process has given many Americans a reason to quit supporting the liars. That has to be worth something.

So, "please give it a break on the Plame-gate thing" no way, not even after the pardons are passed. This is the Bush legacy let us remind everybody everyday about the lies and smears and all of the other petty games being played by all of our politicians.

IMHO

capt

Now, going back to the original Post--
Viveca Novak said to Luskin that Rove might have told Time's Matt Cooper (prior to the leak that appeared in Bob Novak's column) that Valerie Wilson worked at the CIA.

As a non-lawyer I have to ask: If this new revelation clears Rove of: lying to the GJ, does it not make Rove a party to the criminal "Outing of a CIA agent"? Treason, is it not?

Death toll from road accidents 390 times that from terrorism: study

AFP | November 30, 2005

The body count from road accidents in developed economies is 390 times higher than the death toll in these countries from international terrorism, says a study appearing in a specialist journal, Injury Prevention. In 2001, as many people died every 26 days on American roads as died in the terrorist attacks of 9/11, it says.

Researchers led by Nick Wilson of Otago University, New Zealand, trawled through a US State Department database of deaths caused by international terrorism, and compared this with an Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development database on road crash deaths among 29 OECD countries.

The study covered two years, in 2000 and 2001.

The authors acknowledge the widespread emotional, political and economic impacts of terrorism, but they also point out the enormous difference in scale between the two death tolls.

"Policymakers need to be aware of this when allocating resources to preventing these two avoidable causes of mortality," they say.

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A war we could win?

capt

Even though I think that David usually -- like almost always -- has his ducks in order, I think he posted this *update* today on Viveca Novak because he sort of jumped the gun yesterday and today he decided to do a little clean-up work.

I trust him to have his facts and his sourcing straight, and I do not think he is hiding behind a journalistic privilege -- the use of unnamed sources -- for nefarious or self-serving reasons. It seems to me that David doesn't routinely use anonymous sources, rather he uses them in extraordinary circumstances.

While we don't know David's source's link to this story, it appears the source doesn't have a particular ax to grind. So, I'll cut David some slack on this.

But...dammit,at the end of the day...I'm with Jay Rosen above!

Actually a pardon wouldn't be the gift the cons in the white house think it would be. They would have to live with the shame of what they had done without paying any price. It wouldn't bother them that they didn't have to pay any price but it would bother everybody else in the world. There would't be a place they could go on earth where people wouldn't look down on them. I don't think Nixon had a comfortable life after he was forced out. What he did was nothing compared to these crooks. And liars.

Jeanne @#34...LOL... I know who that person is. I was thinking the same thing, but decided to let some other feisty broad say it. And you tackled it!! Touchdown!

Pardon me?

To take us to war
an illegal invasion
all based no lies
fear as persuasion

the truth always speaks
although seldom invited
it is happening now
as one slug is indicted

I hope this drags out
the pardons get written
Americans are smart
twice shy once bitten

Don't worry about Hillary voting to cut and run. That tactic has already been perfected by Chimpy.

Thousands of New Yorkers are still coming to grips with the fact that the Preznit has made "cut and run" the official strategy in Afghanistan. As Osama and his friends make videos laughing in our faces, you Rightwing goobers are the only traitors to turn their backs on the suffering of Americans in favor of protecting Osama and the REAL terrorists. Smooth move morons. The only people fighting our battles are the Fighting Dems. We have 10 Iraq vets running for congress and you Reds have none. The Dems are fighting to take care of the troops and their families. REpublicans are too busy fighting for Tax Cuts for Billionaires and giving Big Oil Companies corporate welfare checks.

I'm going to post the whole damned thing, because I want every word easily accessible.

GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER?

By Richard Reeves December 2, 2005

PARIS -- President John F. Kennedy was considered a historian because of his book "Profiles in Courage," so he received periodic requests to rate the presidents, those lists that usually begin "1. Lincoln, 2. Washington ..."
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But after he actually became president himself, he stopped filling them out.

"No one knows what it's like in this office," he said after being in the job. "Even with poor James Buchanan, you can't understand what he did and why without sitting in his place, looking at the papers that passed on his desk, knowing the people he talked with."

Poor James Buchanan, the 15th president, is generally considered the worst president in history. Ironically, the Pennsylvania Democrat, elected in 1856, was one of the most qualified of the 43 men who have served in the highest office. A lawyer, a self-made man, Buchanan served with some distinction in the House, served as chairman of the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee and secretary of state under President James K. Polk. He had a great deal to do with the United States becoming a continental nation -- "Manifest Destiny," war with Mexico, and all that. He was also ambassador to Great Britain and was offered a seat on the Supreme Court three separate times.

But he was a confused, indecisive president, who may have made the Civil War inevitable by trying to appease or negotiate with the South. His most recent biographer, Jean Clark, writing for the prestigious American Presidents Series, concluded this year that his actions probably constituted treason. It also did not help that his administration was as corrupt as any in history, and he was widely believed to be homosexual.

Whatever his sexual preferences, his real failures were in refusing to move after South Carolina announced secession from the Union and attacked Fort Sumter, and in supporting both the legality of the pro-slavery constitution of Kansas and the Supreme Court ruling in the Dred Scott class declaring that escaped slaves were not people but property.

He was the guy who in 1861 passed on the mess to the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln. Buchanan set the standard, a tough record to beat. But there are serious people who believe that George W. Bush will prove to do that, be worse than Buchanan. I have talked with three significant historians in the past few months who would not say it in public, but who are saying privately that Bush will be remembered as the worst of the presidents.

There are some numbers. The History News Network at George Mason University has just polled historians informally on the Bush record. Four hundred and fifteen, about a third of those contacted, answered -- maybe they were all crazed liberals -- making the project as unofficial as it was interesting. These were the results: 338 said they believed Bush was failing, while 77 said he was succeeding. Fifty said they thought he was the worst president ever. Worse than Buchanan.

This is what those historians said -- and it should be noted that some of the criticism about deficit spending and misuse of the military came from self-identified conservatives -- about the Bush record:

# He has taken the country into an unwinnable war and alienated friend and foe alike in the process;

# He is bankrupting the country with a combination of aggressive military spending and reduced taxation of the rich;

# He has deliberately and dangerously attacked separation of church and state;

# He has repeatedly "misled," to use a kind word, the American people on affairs domestic and foreign;

# He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign (
Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);

# He has sacrificed American employment (including the toleration of pension and benefit elimination) to increase overall productivity;

# He is ignorantly hostile to science and technological progress;

# He has tolerated or ignored one of the republic's oldest problems, corporate cheating in supplying the military in wartime.

Quite an indictment. It is, of course, too early to evaluate a president. That, historically, takes decades, and views change over times as results and impact become more obvious. Besides, many of the historians note that however bad Bush seems, they have indeed seen worse men around the White House. Some say Buchanan. Many say Vice President Dick Cheney.

cole -
What really happened to American Airlines Flights 11 and 77 on Sept 11, 2001. by Gerard Holmgren . Copyright. Nov 2003

who knows what really happened?

#46
It just gets old.

To take us to war
an illegal invasion
all based on lies
fears and persuasion

the truth always speaks
although seldom invited
it is happening now
as one slug is indicted

I hope this drags out
the pardons get written
Americans are smart
twice shy once bitten

Stranger Than Fiction

buddy-buddy with george tenet
buddy-buddy with mohammed atta

David

The Plame thing is lame. No crime to say somebody works at the CIA. If it were, we would never know who the top dog at the CIA was.

How Bush Created a Theocracy in Iraq

Dec. 2, 2005
By Juan Cole

The Bush administration naively believed that Iraq was a blank slate on which it could inscribe its vision for a remake of the Arab world. Iraq, however, was a witches’†brew of dynamic social and religious movements, a veritable pressure cooker. When George W. Bush invaded, he blew off the lid.

Shiite religious leaders and parties, in particular, have crucially shaped the new Iraq in each of its three political phases. The first was during the period of direct American rule, largely by Paul Bremer. The second comprised the months of interim government, when Iyad Allawi was prime minister. The third stretches from the formation of an elected government, with Ibrahim Jaafari as prime minister, to today.

In the first phase, expatriate Shiite parties returned to the country to emerge as major players, to the consternation of a confused and clueless "Coalition Provisional Authority."

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Juan has some interesting insights.

capt

David,

If you're looking for a basketball game, come join us Thursday night in a gym twenty minutes south of Boston.

"no crime to say----"
Then what was the point in saying it?
If Valerie Plame worked at Macy's would she have "been in play"?

I don't think it will take decades to figure out George Bush is the worst president. At least he's number one in something.

When Buchanan was president his decisions or lack of them affected the country. George Bush's inept, corrupt, warped decisions affect the entire world. Everything he does has a rippling influence like an earthquake and tsunami.

I have added truthdig.com to my computer benchmark.

Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason. Unknown capt comes up with another great quote!

#37 Bob in ND, I believe you are right.

For all the politicians who may read this post, please don't piss on my leg and tell me that it's raining.

#55 capt, Bush is one big screw up! I have my view of Bush and I will post next.

Leak of Agent's Name Causes Exposure of CIA Front Firm Brewster-Jennings & Associates

By Walter Pincus and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, October 4, 2003; Page A03

The leak of a CIA operative's name has also exposed the identity of a CIA front company, potentially expanding the damage caused by the original disclosure, Bush administration officials said yesterday.

The company's identity, Brewster-Jennings & Associates, became public because it appeared in Federal Election Commission records on a form filled out in 1999 by Valerie Plame, the case officer at the center of the controversy, when she contributed $1,000 to Al Gore's presidential primary campaign

After the name of the company was broadcast yesterday, administration officials confirmed that it was a CIA front. They said the obscure and possibly defunct firm was listed as Plame's employer on her W-2 tax forms in 1999 when she was working undercover for the CIA. Plame's name was first published July 14 in a newspaper column by Robert D. Novak that quoted two senior administration officials. They were critical of her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, for his handling of a CIA mission that undercut President Bush's claim that Iraq had sought uranium from the African nation of Niger for possible use in developing nuclear weapons.

The Justice Department began a formal criminal investigation of the leak Sept. 26.

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The facts are thus. Additionally if Plame was given a W-2 for the tax year 1999 she was undercover within the five year condition that makes it a crime for anybody to expose her.

capt

I know that I upset a lot of people but please pray for me.

Weapons

There are various weapons in the world, such as nuclear weapons, evil weapons, and holy weapons to name a few weapons. The evil weapons are Lucifer’≥ followers. They prowl the earth seeking the ruin of souls. I can say that the holy weapons are Jesus’†disciples but I will stress three holy weapons that are necessary to defeat evil. These weapons are prayer, the Eucharist, and the Rosary. When I say these three weapons, people will say that these weapons are primarily for Catholics. That may be true but there are 54% of the Catholics who voted for Bush. 54% of the Catholics chose someone who believes in murders, torture, and wars. He also hates the poor and the underserved. It is my perceptual opinion that Bush and his cabal are followers of Lucifer. These are the very same people who in 2000 and 2004 claimed to be good, holy, and saintly persons. 54% of the Catholics bought into these lies. They are followers of Bush and his cabal.

Maybe many of these Catholics (54%) will return to the three holy weapons of prayer, the Eucharist, and the Rosary. Unless they do return to these holy weapons, Bush and his cabal will always control the WH and Congress. Bush and his cabal will not only have the Catholic vote but also the rigged voting machines. Bush can maintain his unbeatable force to control America and to also expand his power. He will have absolute power and he will never lose power. Bush and Lucifer will control planet, Earth.

These holy weapons of prayer, the Eucharist, and the Rosary will still have a powerful force to overcome in rigged voting machines but at least some human beings will return to do what is just and right and maybe, just maybe these evil forces that are controlled by Bush will be defeated.

The USA cannot and will not change without these three holy weapons in action. Americans are currently marching into the abyss of hell as followers of George W. Bush.

#57
Cole,
I agree with you. They not only 'outed' Valerie Plame but also the company she worked for. An operation that worked to slow down nuclear proliferation was brought to a screeching halt. Every serious CIA person has agreed that the impact was huge. And they back up their claims with facts. I am satisfied that the disclosure of her identity was treasonous.

#50
''who knows what really happened?

Certainly we do not know. Certainly the sham 911 commission made no attempt to find out, and certainly if the tapes of the Pentagon do not show a Boing 757 ramming the Pentagon at one foot above its footing--one damned precise hit for an amature pseudo pilot--then the whole plot unravels. Then the drop of Building 7 as a 'controlled demolition' becomes a real rule out, and then the twins themselves have to be looked at Carefully, Fully and Thoroughly by a team of real forensic crime experts and toss out the 911 sham report.

Cole, check this out::
http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/asce_en.htm">ASCE's pentagon performance report

oops...damned commodore64! - here::

ASCE's Pentagon Building Performance Report

#63
Jeanne,
and any person, esp in an offshore state doing business with that company could be in mortal danger.
Treason at time of War!
I'll trade that charge for the one of lying to a GJ---go Fitz.

Wishing a Happy Fitzmas and a Merry Scroll down to all!

"With the discovery of this document, Rove had little choice but to correct his previous testimony."

Mr. Corn. Did Fitzgerald speak to you on record that Rove came to correct his previous testimony? Did the prosecutor tell what his testimony was?

I think not. I see a lot of Drudge style reporting going on here. I am no fan of Rove, but I don't think trying the matter in hit and run style reports will improve the information.

What is your hat size. I'll buy you a derby for the holidays.

#48, you are to stupid to believe, so I will simply continue on with Jeanne. She at least has a working brain.

Jeanne 36

You won't answer, because you don't have an answer. You know it as well as I do.

2,000,000 dead, with the possibility of it happening again if we do what you guys want.

STILL STANDS:
mibu # 2
says

Hillary is so funny, trying to walk her tight rope between RIGHT and left.

Hillary Clinton says, "If I new then what I know now, I would not have voted to go to war".

I suppose that means if she new then what she knows now, she would not have wanted to pull out of Vietnam, since we now know Pol Pot murdered 2,000,000 people when we cut and run surrendered.

At least I hope she would not want 2,000,000 more people to be murdered just because some gutless libs and left wing reporters were filling American's heads with the same kind of shit those same types of gutless libs and left wing reporters are now trying to fill American's heads with today.

Sound good lefties?

F**K those Iraqi's if they can't take a joke

Good one, no one here has the guts to tackle it.

Good to see that Moran doesn't mind being called a traitor for approving of Chimpy's cut and run strategy in Afghanistan. But then again, courage hasn't been a republican virtue in over a 150 years. Since then, it's all been run and hide, like Ronnie Raygun in Beirut.

Keep ignoring me Moran, it makes you look like a bigger coward than Chimpy. Oh well, maybe someday, Chimpy will grow some gonads and bring Osama to justice. LOL.

wooohooozzz! Anybody live close enough to join me?
=======================
Dear Alan,

The Republican poster boys for the culture of corruption - Dick Cheney and Tom DeLay - will be together in Houston this Monday to raise money for Tom DeLay's legal defense fund.

Come out, welcome Dick Cheney to Texas and tell him he needs to stop ducking questions about his role in the CIA leak scandal and manipulation of pre-war intelligence. Also, ask Tom DeLay why he continues to raise special interest cash after being indicted on charges of money laundering.

Who: Dick Cheney and Tom DeLay
What: Dick Cheney Raising Money for Tom DeLay's Legal Defense Fund
When: Monday December 5, 2005 5- 8:00 p.m.
Where: Westin Oak Hotel 5011 Westheimer Houston, Texas
*Participants will gather along the Galleria 2 & 3 entrances

If you have any questions, contact John Cobarruvias at 281-486-5203 or David Smith at 832-692-3306.

Thank you,

The Democratic Party

P.S. If you own a scooter, bring it to the protest in honor of Dick Cheney's indicted former Chief of Staff, Scooter Libby.

Odd to associate the actions of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge with the fall of Vietnam? We were not legally in Cambodia nor was bombing Cambodia legal.

I guess your point is, we should invade any country we choose, any time we choose. That illegal military actions are called for?

No to mention the Khmer Rouge was known as Kampuchean Communist Party (KCP) starting in 1966 but existed as Workers' Party of Kampuchea (WPK) since 1960.

Are you saying JFK should have started a war in Cambodia?

Bush's Counterattack

Most everyone has difficulty in acknowledging his own errors, maybe because we are insecure or underestimate the reservoir of forgiveness in ourselves and others. Add to this normal tendency the possession of great power and you get a ruler capable of making big errors and then not being able to recognize, admit, and correct them. This ruler will self-righteously and stubbornly dig in his heels even as his subjects suffer. Even hugely popular entertainment figures with a seeming monopoly on audiences are prone to turn into monsters.

It is one thing for one of us to be optimistic and make a decision. If we are wrong, we lose. It’≥ quite another for the power of office to encourage grandiose visions that can end up making us all lose. Such power encourages stupidity, immorality, and warped judgment. The judgment biases show up in all sorts of ways, such as excessive optimism or pessimism, or excessively long or short time horizons, or placing too much or too little weight on bits of information. It is always hard to make decisions under uncertainty. Unaccountable and focused political power make the decisions all the more fallible and all the more costly and serious.

What solution is there except for individual freedom and the accompanying responsibility? This means an about face in many of the directions we are now heading in.

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Bush could not accept responsibility for a loose bowel movement. It was the cooks fault.

capt

MY COUNTRY TORTURES PEOPLE.

70, you meat head,

You really don't understand anything about anything do you?

cut and run strategy in Afghanistan

You have noticed we aren't gone, haven't you?
Some times you nuts get thrown a bone to chew on while life proceeds.

You are nothing more than an ignorant, gutless cowardly traitor. We aren't going anywhere, but if you want to ride that dead horse, be my guest.

As far as Osama, where he is, is better than dead, you silly dingle berry.

72

yes

yes
as in, JFK should've invaded Cambodia.
Well then, is that why they killed him, cause he wouldn't 'play' their game?

They???

let's stay in the real world, shall we.

You have to admit, that Hillary/Pol Pot/Vietnam post was funny. It's Hillary's fault, you see.

Actually, when you look at it, the longer we stayed in Vietnam, the more people were dying in Cambodia. Since it was the Vietnamese that invaded Cambodia and dislodged Pol Pot... I'm thinking you could argue that N.Vietnamese were busy fighting us, or they could've stopped the 'killing fields' next door sooner. That sounds logical, no? Who knew it was Hillary's fault? And that hubby of hers made Doofus invade Iraq too! See, it's all the dems fault, this mess we're in.

yeah, they

Remember the quote "Beware of the military industrial complex"?
JFK was beginning what you'd call 'cut and run'. 'They' didn't like that much.
LBJ knew how to play though.

'IMMACULATE CERTIFICATION'! DIEBOLD ALLOWED IN NORTH CAROLINA AFTER ALL!

Former Diebold Rep, Now on NC Election Advisory Board Certifies Diebold, Despite Apparent Failure to Comply with State Law Requiring Source Code Escrow!

The New York Times ran a story pinpointing countries in Europe that have allowed CIA planes to land on their soil in ongoing operations after 9/11.

The story does two things, it gives America's enemies information, and encourages al Qaeda to attack the countries that have helped the USA. There's no question European countries are under pressure not to help the CIA.

Does that kind of CIA information help you and your family? If the world will not cooperate with the Central Intelligence Agency, doesn't that make it easier for terrorists to operate?

This didn't happen during World War II. Franklin Roosevelt created an office of censorship in 1941 and pressure was put upon American news organizations not to publish information "that the enemy will use."

All intelligent people believe the enemy is interested in which countries allow CIA planes to land.

The office of censorship was closed in 1945 after the war, but the issue was not closed. FDR didn't want the press undermining World War II, and the country went along with it, because we didn't have the amount of left wing traitors at home then that we have now.

Today, we're fighting a war on terrorism, but every day, the American press puts forth information the enemy will use.

The American public has a right to know how we are waging the war on terror. We have a right to know what's going on however, there comes a point when the media has to decide if the information they're disseminating is going to damage the war effort.

We don't need to know where the CIA planes are landing in Europe. That information is not vital to to anyone at home.

That kind of information does help the enemy and hurt the us and the war on terror. The American press should help fight the terrorists, rather than use the conflict to promote a political point of view.

alan 80,

Interesting, I also heard they used the saucers from Roswell to make their escape and leave that stupid patsy Oswald to take the heat.

Hmmmmm ... velly intelethting.

alan 79
it's all the dems fault, this mess we're in

absolutely correct, FOR ONCE !!

Alan
'They' didn't like that much.
LBJ knew how to play though.

Even David Corn would shutter at that one.

I have changed my mind about you Alan. You are loopy

I doubt Bush or Cheney or Rove meant to do anything wrong by sending us into this disasterous war. Motive isn't the point hear. Novak is charged with manslaughter, not first degree murder. Whatever she did - it didn't help. With friends like Luskin...

Mickey
sending us into this disasterous war

Don't you watch the real news?
The war effort is a success, elections, free people, thriving economy, less people are killed every month in Iraq than in L.A. and New York.

I think you meant:
sending us into this necessary important fight for liberty.

I thought you cornnuts hated nepotism.

Why no outrage about the CIA secretary sharing her feminine favors around the upper echelon of the CIA.

After sharing her little favors,and during the pillow talk, she volunteers her husband to fabricate a false report, while on the government dole.

W.'s Head in the Sand

At the Naval Academy, President Bush talked about how well the Iraqi security forces were fighting. He claimed that 40 Iraqi battalions were taking the lead in the fight against insurgents, and that in the battle of Tal Afar this year, "the assault was primarily led by Iraqi security forces - 11 Iraqi battalions backed by 5 coalition battalions providing support."

Anderson Cooper of CNN swiftly produced Time magazine's Baghdad bureau chief, Michael Ware, who was embedded with the U.S. military during the entire Tal Afar battle. "With the greatest respect to the president, that's completely wrong," Mr. Ware said, adding: "I was with Iraqi units right there on the front line as they were battling with Al Qaeda. They were not leading."

He also told Mr. Cooper: "I have had a very senior officer here in Baghdad say to me that there's never going to be a point where these guys will be able to stand up against the insurgency on their own."

Mr. Ware recalled that in a battle two weeks ago, he saw an Iraqi security officer put down his weapon and curl up into a ball when he was under attack. "I have seen that on - on many, many occasions," he said.

Curling up in a ball. Good National Strategy for Victory.

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It does seem to be a pretty major flaw in the plan. As the plan depends on the Iraqis ability to fight the insurgent what if they are never ready?

I guess that means we just continue to occupy?

capt

Jeanne wrote:

> I'm not so sure. Nixon and his gang thought they were above the law. It didn't work out so well for them.

Apples and oranges, Jeanne. People like Erlichman and Haldeman were lackeys, hacks, employees, serfs...way beneath Nixon. Nixon had raised himself up by the political bootstraps in California. Nixon's presidential gang owed HIM, not the other way around.

It is the opposite for Rove and Cheney. People like Karen Hughes and Rove MADE Bush. Cheney made it possible for Bush to become president. Bush owes THEM his political nuts. They know where all the skeletons are buried.

Rove and Cheney are untouchable. This is a completely opposite situation than Nixon's. Bush is the ventriloquist's dummy on the lap of Rove...mindless, stupid, and unable to do anything on his own. However crooked Nixon was, nobody would accuse him of that.

Bob in North Dakota

I'm not sure the other comments relate so much to this article but here's what i think about V. Novak; My question to you David is this; What were the circumnstances or the reason for the conversation she had with Luskin? Was it hey I need to talk or was it the other day at Whole foods we ran into each other. For someone who seems to be close to her I don't see any atmosphere being provided for this specific coversation. Thanks again for all your details and delivery of them.

Tales From the Nixonian Crypt

I half-suspected NPR to exhume Henry Kissinger (he is dead, isn’t he?) the other day when they did a promo about a story on "Iraqization," but no, they spared us the sonorous tones of Doctor Strangelove, only to give us his pin-headed sidekick, former Nixon Defense Secretary, Melvin Laird.

Since it’s clearly too much to expect National Pentagon Radio to invite an eminent, independent historian onto our airwaves to explain the likely pitfalls of Bush’s plan to hand over Iraq to our hand-picked Iraqis, it falls to the Itinerant Scribbler Corps to put Laird’s interview into historic perspective.

"Eventually we have to get out as soon as our job is done…" Laird began, omitting, of course, any mention of exactly what that job might consist of… Finding WMD’s? Freeing Iraqis from despotic torture chambers? Militarily securing a strategic, oil-rich region?

"…But we can’t walk away from the conflict now," he cautioned. "We will be able to start withdrawal of our forces as the Iraqi forces come into readiness…Just because we get our force level down in Iraq doesn’t mean we can walk away…(All together now:)…or the losses we suffered will be in vain."

When the reporter introduced the term "Vietnamization," Laird interrupted her to say eagerly, "That’s a good term. I coined that term. And it worked very well, I think."

With images of U.S. helicopters evacuating people from the roof of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon coming to mind, I heard the reporter counter that perhaps in the end it didn’t work. Gentleman Mel interrupted again to say, "Vietnamization did work. I mean the forces of the South Vietnamese were doing very well but they had to have U.S. support to carry on the war…"

Finally, answering a question concerning whether Bush could count on sufficient popular support to make "Iraqization" work, Laird allowed as how "I think we need to have more straight talk in order to show real leadership in this field."

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Speaking of Nixon.

capt

Nvermind I found my answer over at Firedoglake. Another Question for you David; Did you not know or think it was important to mention V. Novaks' conversation with Luskin happened over drinks? I guess everyone is close to this, but at what point will we get the complete list of who is covering their own asses, ala Andrea Mitchel& Bob Woodward and this unraveling golf ball will be rebuilt and complete. Wait ubtill it becomes a real parody for a skit on SNL like the old Jane you ignorant slut ones with Dan And Jane.

Least Competent Criminals

Christina Goodenow, 38, of Medford, Ore., was arrested in October for using a stolen credit card, but a conviction would be especially disastrous for her since she just won $1 million in the lottery with a $1 ticket she bought with the credit card (thus voiding the ticket).

Americans Want Different Type of President Next Time, Poll Says

Dec. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Three in five Americans want the next U.S. president to be completely different from incumbent George W. Bush, according to a poll by Time magazine.

Bush's policies in Iraq and high gasoline and energy prices had a ``very negative'' effect on his overall job rating for 45 percent of respondents, according to the poll, conducted between Nov. 29 and Dec. 1. The results showed 36 percent would like the next president to have policies similar to those of Bush, compared with 60 percent who want a different type of leader.

The findings indicate Bush is failing to reverse flagging approval ratings after laying out his strategy for Iraq in a Nov. 30 speech. The poll showed 41 percent approve of the job Bush is doing while 53 percent disapprove, little changed from results in September after Hurricane Katrina hit the U.S. Gulf Coast. Of those who disapprove, 76 percent said they were unlikely to change their opinion of Bush.

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Jeeze, a different type of president? If I was Bush that could hurt my feelings.

capt

David, I know this Plame-gate thing is something you are dedicated to, but I'm afraid you're missing the bigger picture. I recently read a story of how Brewster-Jennings actually caught WMD's being smuggled into Iraq with the intention of planting them to prove the WH allegations that saddam had WMD's. Surely this is no coincidence. They could have outed any of the agents working for this under cover operation and achieved the same results. Plame was handy because they could use her to discredit Wilson at the same time. They haven't managed to stage this coup d'etat of our country because they're stupid or short-sighted, it worked, in large part, because we the people have been stupid and short-sighted! And now we will all pay the price. The bill is coming due, roughly 72 trillion dollars, and God only knows how much blood will be on our hands in the end.

Did Plame out WH plans for finding WMD in Iraq?

Did the White House plan to 'find' WMD in Iraq until Brewster-Jennings intercepted their shipment? Was that why Plame was in their crosshairs long before Wilson's editorial?

Nov 19, 2005 -- 09:00:33 AM EST

Buried in a TPM Nov 18 blog about what the WH was really thinking when it invaded Iraq, Joshua Micah Marshall writes "This even leads to a sort of inverted conspiracy theorizing when people ask, 'If he knew there was no WMD, why didn't they at least try to plant some to avoid the catastrophic embarrassment which ensued after the war....The real answer, I think, is as banal as it is devastating: I don't think they ever gave it much thought -- not in the sense of trying to get to the heart of the matter."

This WH may be diabolical, but it's not stupid. Apparently, they gave it a lot of thought if the following is true. As Wayne Madsen reports (Nov 11):

"According to U.S. intelligence sources, the White House exposure of Valerie Plame and her Brewster Jennings & Associates was intended to retaliate against the CIA's work in limiting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. WMR has reported in the past on this aspect of the scandal. In addition to identifying the involvement of individuals in the White House who were close to key players in nuclear proliferation, the CIA Counter-Proliferation Division prevented the shipment of binary VX nerve gas from Turkey into Iraq in November 2002. The Brewster Jennings network in Turkey was able to intercept this shipment which was intended to be hidden in Iraq and later used as evidence that Saddam Hussein was in possession of weapons of mass destruction. U.S. intelligence sources revealed that this was a major reason the Bush White House targeted Plame and her network."

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A bit on the salting of WMD's.

capt

Don't you watch the real news?
The war effort is a success, elections, free people, thriving economy, less people are killed every month in Iraq than in L.A. and New York.

I think you meant:
sending us into this necessary important fight for liberty.
^^^^^^^^^^6
funny how no one gave a damn about the Iraqi's liberty until PNAC911 gave the neocons the excuse they needed to 'fight for liberty'- and now Syria is just begging to be libertied -

the reason bush is pushing for syria's invasion

Thanks Capt. I'm sure that is just some huge librul conspiracy cooked up to make saint bunnypants look bad!

James, I find it impossible to believe that 2 of the biggest nuclear powers on the planet, the US and Israel, spend one minute fretting over these tiny, non-nuke states, and their alledged nuke capabilities. They have as many nukes as Iraq, which is exactly ZERO! I suppose it is just a coincidence that the oil pipeline route that Israel wants to their port at Haifa just happens to need to go through Syria, yup, just a coincidence!

These Photos of Niger Uranium Forgeries Blow Libby, War Case Wide Open!

Put the words NIGER FORGERIES and these photocopies (below) into the consciousness of Mr. and Mrs. America, and it could change the course of history. These 4 graphics are worth 4 million words. These are the cause/excuse for the Iraq war. They are not real (they are forgeries), but they are a REAL threat to the nation’≥ existence! Why? Because they came from foreign sources. FOREIGN AGENTS HAVE BEEN DRIVING US POLICY. That is a bigger threat to America than knocking down the WTC, which "only" killed 0.014% of one metropolitan area. (Reminder: Bin Laden still is at large.) The $64-Million Questions: WHAT FOREIGNERS Made the Forgeries? WHAT AMERICANS SOLD OUT AMERICA by Using the Forgeries?

1. THE FIRST PART OF THE ARTICLE SHOWS THE CRUDE FORGERIES THAT ARE THE "NOBLE CAUSE" FOR WHICH WE ARE FIGHTING, AND SOME OF DYING, IN IRAQ.

2. THE SECOND PART IS A DETAILED TIMELINE OF HOW FIXED INTELLIGENCE BASED ON THE FORGERIES GOT US INTO THE IRAQ WAR -- ALSO HOW LEWIS LIBBY (NOW INDICTED) AND OTHERS HAVE ATTEMPTED TO COVER UP THE USE OF FORGERIES.

JANUARY 1, 2001 The little gang simulates a break-in and burglary at the embassy and steals letterhead and some document stamps, the kind that make documents official as a notary stamp does.

The gang types and stamps the amateurish forgeries you see here, including:

Forged letters

Forged contracts

A memorandum of understanding for Niger to supply Iraq some uranium in 2000 An 2-page agreement, as an attachment to the memorandum About 17 pages in all

Martino conveys the dodgey dossier to the French. The French are the first to get it and immediately see that it is a forgery, having obvious mistakes as shown above. That doesn’¥ stop them from paying him.

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The linked piece includes photo copies of the actual "Niger" documents. To call them a crude forgery is being very generous.

The timeline is interesting as well.

capt

At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen,
we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

Abraham Lincoln
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Looks like Lincoln turned out to be a prophet.

As a result of the (Civil) war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated into the hands of a few and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of the war.
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Lincoln, who spoke the words above, knew exactly what was happening, and he worked to bring it about, using the freeing of the slaves, (sound familiar?) as an excuse to accomplish Northern economic control over the south. He came to regret his actions. That war was the beginning of the end for America as the founding fathers envisioned it.

We don't need to know where the CIA planes are landing in Europe. That information is not vital to to anyone at home.

The governments of Europe would beg to differ.

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear.: ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero - (106-43 B.C.) Roman Statesman, Philosopher and Orator.

ya, a coincidence~ it's just one more little coincidence in the great coincidence theory that is the bushco govt.~
^^^^^^^^^^6
The Bush Administration Lied

This Pentagon exercise simulated a plane crashing into the Pentagon. The report serves to refute unequivocally claims by the Bush Administration that they could not have predicted that an airplane could be used in a terrorist attack.

Pentagon Simulated a Scenario
of an actual Terrorist Attack 10 months before 9/11

IRAQ: Strategic City Stabilization Initiative (Worth $1,020,000,000.00)

Just found this application on HuffPo. Thought it was interesting. Anyone out there looking for work? I did notice the last sentence under the "Description" regarding "no funds available yet".

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File this one under WTF?

It is just not crazy enough, not weird enough until they are shooting your ashes out of a cannon (miss ya HST).

capt

WASHINGTON -- In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft crashed into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.

On 9/11, CIA Was Running Simulation of a Plane Crashing into a Building

And Cheney was in charge!

"Depopulation should be the highest priority of foreign policy towards the third world, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries"~~Henry Kissinger

Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it "The professionals," said Ferguson, "aren't interested in lowering population for humanitarian reasons. That sounds nice. We look at resources and environmental constraints. We look at our strategic needs, and we say that this country must lower its population or else we will have trouble.
The-Haig-Kissinger-Depopulation-Policy

#47 - Capt That was great!

#49 - I would like to know what David McCullough has to say about GWB. I wonder if he was one of the historians contacted. His opinion, above almost all others would be very interesting indeed, especially since he knows GWB's parents pretty well. His Christmas card a few years ago was a picture taken of the McCullough family with George HW and Barbara Bush (I know this because he sent a card to my sister - the McCulloughs lived in our neighborhood when I was a kid and they stay in touch periodically). I would very much trust what Mr. McCullough would have to say on GWB. In spite of his friendship with the father, I know Mr.McCullough and trust him.

#90 I'm not so sure that John D. Erlichman and H.R. Haldeman were lowly functionaries in the Nixon era. They were shrewd, cunning, manipulative, powerful and secretive, that's a given -- all the traits that Nixon respected. (Haldeman was on Nixon's vice-presidential campaign staff and their association dates even earlier than that.)

Many of the Nixon gang worked together at J.Walter Thompson advertising agency -- at that time the largest advertising agency in the world. Erlichman and Haldeman were roommates at UCLA -- Erlichman became a Seattle lawyer and Haldeman went to work for "J. Walter Tombstone." JWT had also been dubbed "the Cold War advertising agency."

Ron Ziegler, Nixon's press secretary, was a J. Walter alum; Dwight Chapin, Nixon's appointments secretary, ditto; Jeb Stuart Magruder, ditto; Donald Segretti, ditto; Gordon Strachan, ditto; others, too, even as far down the pecking order as Henry E. Simmons at HEW.

J. Walter Thompson was the operation that burnished, rehabilitated, and "re-packaged" Nixon for his 1968 presidential campaign. The Nixon-image makers even talked about putting Nixon in a Kennedy-style rocking chair to soften his image. They re-packaged Nixon like he was a brand of cereal.

The JWT gang used their power (before and) after winning the White House, manipulating the news media AND television entertainment programming. They manipulated entertainment producers into injecting drug and crime themes into their programming that would frighten the American people -- at the same time making the administration look "tough on crime." Their manipulation included plans to make a connection between dissent and drug use.

Well, anyway...if it weren't for J. Walter Thompson's rehabilitation gang, Nixon never would have won the 1968 presidential election. Of course, it upped his prospects exponentially when Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles the night he won the California primary...

#90 I'm not so sure that John D. Erlichman and H.R. Haldeman were lowly functionaries in the Nixon era. They were shrewd, cunning, manipulative, powerful and secretive, that's a given -- all the traits that Nixon respected. (Haldeman was on Nixon's vice-presidential campaign staff and their association dates even earlier than that.)

Many of the Nixon gang worked together at J.Walter Thompson advertising agency -- at that time the largest advertising agency in the world. Erlichman and Haldeman were roommates at UCLA -- Erlichman became a Seattle lawyer and Haldeman went to work for "J. Walter Tombstone." JWT had also been dubbed "the Cold War advertising agency."

Ron Ziegler, Nixon's press secretary, was a J. Walter alum; Dwight Chapin, Nixon's appointments secretary, ditto; Jeb Stuart Magruder, ditto; Donald Segretti, ditto; Gordon Strachan, ditto; others, too, even as far down the pecking order as Henry E. Simmons at HEW.

J. Walter Thompson was the operation that burnished, rehabilitated, and "re-packaged" Nixon for his 1968 presidential campaign. The Nixon-image makers even talked about putting Nixon in a Kennedy-style rocking chair to soften his image. They re-packaged Nixon like he was a brand of cereal.

The JWT gang used their power (before and) after winning the White House, manipulating the news media AND television entertainment programming. They manipulated entertainment producers into injecting drug and crime themes into their programming that would frighten the American people -- at the same time making the administration look "tough on crime." Their manipulation included plans to make a connection between dissent and drug use.

Well, anyway...if it weren't for J. Walter Thompson's rehabilitation gang, Nixon never would have won the 1968 presidential election. Of course, it upped his prospects exponentially when Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles the night he won the California primary...

A Century of War
by John V. Denson

A summary of the lies told to generate war throughout US history. This history is lost and forgotten, is it any wonder we keep repeating it?

First, their were the lies that started the Civil War.

Spanish-American war: McKinley ordered the American warships sent to the Philippines at approximately the same time he sent the battleship Maine to Cuba and instructed the American Navy to support the Philippine rebels against their Spanish rulers. McKinley asked Congress to declare war because of the sinking of the battleship Maine, but we know today that the explosion occurred within the ship and, therefore, could not have been done by the Spanish, (as was claimed by our Govt. and the Hearst dominated media.) In the Philippines, the native rebels were successful in throwing off their Spanish rulers and were aided in their effort by the American Navy. Once the rebels had succeeded, McKinley ordered the American guns turned upon the rebels, murdering them in cold blood by the thousands, and snatched their island away from them.

WW1: Wilson, like Polk, Lincoln, and McKinley before him, deceitfully made it appear that the alleged enemy started the war by firing the first shot. The German embassy warned Secretary of State Bryan that the British passenger ship, the Lusitania, was carrying illegal weapons and munitions, and was therefore a proper and perfectly legal target for submarines. Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan tried to get Wilson to warn Americans not to sail on this ship but he refused to do so, seeing that the opportunity for the loss of American lives would present him with an apparent reason for entering the war. Wilson failed to give the warning and Bryan later resigned. Over 100 Americans were killed when a German submarine sank the Lusitania.

WW2: Roosevelt provoked Japan into the attack on Pearl Harbor by ordering US Navy ships to surround and cut Japan off from oil and other necessary imports. The attack was known well in advance yet allowed to proceed in order to justify America's entrance into WW2. Hitler offered to release all the Jews from Germany. A small sum of money would be required. This offer was sent to the Zionist headquarters in Switzerland. It was refused. This decision was made because the Jewish leaders at the time decided that lives would have to be sacrificed if they were to ever gain the homeland in Palestine. They were directly responsible for the misery of the holocaust.
Vietnam War: The lie about the attack at Tonkin Gulf.

Virtually every war we have ever engaged in has been provoked by lying politicians without a speck of conscience. How many millions have been sacrificed in the name of greed and power for the few? What is happening today? Do you notice the pattern? It is the same plan, everytime, and it works everytime because people forget and lies are taught to our children. It isn't dems or repubs that will make the difference. It is up to us, if we don't do it, we will go down like every empire before us. Our 200 years is up.

Excitement Builds

Although Christmas is three weeks away, excitement is building that this will be the most glorious Christmas ever. What happened to make it so? It was Bush's speech at the Naval Academy. He is going to stay the course of more murders, tortures, maiming, and wars. There is strong talk about attacking Syria. Just the thought of more murders and war crimes excites me. What better time to commit murders and war crimes during the season of peace on earth and good will toward men? Just the thought of bodies being dismembered puts me in ecstasy.

Micki,

WOW, that is a bunch of detailed information about the Nixon gang.

Remind me not to go on Jeopardy against you.

capt

American Soldiers

American soldiers are being killed like flies for Bush’≥ lies. To date 2,375 American soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

OF COURSE, NONE OF THEM WAS GOING TO GET SHOT AT. NONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE MOTHERS AND FATHERS OF DEAD SOLDIERS AND MARINES. GENERAL SCHWARZKOPF

DON'T PATRONIZE ME WITH TALK ABOUT HUMAN LIVES. COLIN "LAPDOG" POWELL

It sounds like human lives are not important to Lapdog.

American Soldiers

American soldiers are being killed like flies for Bush’≥ lies. To date 2,375 American soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

OF COURSE, NONE OF THEM WAS GOING TO GET SHOT AT. NONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE MOTHERS AND FATHERS OF DEAD SOLDIERS AND MARINES. GENERAL SCHWARZKOPF

DON'T PATRONIZE ME WITH TALK ABOUT HUMAN LIVES. COLIN "LAPDOG" POWELL

It sounds like human lives are not important to Lapdog.

"The American press should help fight the terrorists, rather than use the conflict to promote a political point of view."

From #82, quoting an article.

Pot calling kettle black, one media article claiming other media articles are biased.

"The media" is not biased, its job is to report. To listen to all relevant available sources and filter it into an understandable, hopefully objective analysis.

Reporters themself, may be biased. The institutions they work for have biases(try reporting about one of your parent companies other money makers in a less than flattering light and see if they allow you to) due to the nature of their structure.

But to blame the media, for reporting on the actions of a Government, especially those that are of questionable legality, is to udermine the important role of the 4th Estate in the powers it was granted in the Constitution.

How would we know of the horrible crimes at El Mozote if not for the couragious reporting of "biased" journalists?

Without Gary Webb who would have exposed the underbelly of corruption in Los Angeles stretching all the way to Nicuraugua, El Salvador, Columbia and Panama?

So I think it is naive and way too convenient to simply scapegoat the media as a whole and claim that by doing thier jobs they are enacting a political desire (wasn't the media used to enact a political revenge in the whole outing of Val Plame?), especially one such as aiding and abetting known terrorists.

And doesn't the whole idea of the USA, the paradigm of freedom and human rights, subletting torture out to cronies create more enemies for us to have to fight?

Because if you believe that, then the media in this case is doing what is right to end the creation of future terrorists and our government is actually the one aiding and abetting the terrorists by helping them to recruit future generations of anti-Americans.

"lying politicians without a speck of conscience"

They are all seduced by lies. Their lies or the web of another. That is why character is important especially for politicians.

Too bad politics has become a race to the bottom. We really deserve better.

I fear an honest politician that cherishes freedom and liberty would get chewed up and spat out by the nefarious criminals that support the winners[sic].

More and more people have come to the obvious conclusion that we must do better. We need a real leader with a positive vision not these warmongering slugs. (both parties)

Look at the whole crew of losers that were running for the top slot in the last election. Not a stellar bunch. We need to do better, somehow.

capt

"Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States"

Vice-President Dick Cheney

I have been called

I have been called insane, unreasonable, and a traitor. Yes, I have been given those labels. If I am insane, unreasonable, and a traitor, what does that make Bush a saint?

Syria

Since Bush is too stupid to understand Syria, he has decided to attack Syria and than try to understand this complex country. Bush is just one stupid beast.

Gerald, bush and his masters understand syria just fine~go back and read the link @98

Greenspan fears for global economy

Friday 02 December 2005, 21:02 Makka Time, 18:02 GMT  

Alan Greenspan, the US Federal Reserve chairman, fears that America's failure to deal with its exploding budget deficit and worldwide efforts to erect trade barriers could disrupt the global economy.

Greenspan in his prepared remarks, which were released in Washington, said: "If ... the pernicious drift toward fiscal instability in the United States and elsewhere is not arrested and is compounded by a protectionist reversal of globalisation, the adjustment process could be quite painful for the world economy."
 

who is Zarqawi really?~and why does http://judicial-inc.biz/Israelis_In_Iraq.htm">Juba the terrorist sniper have access to Israeli equipment?

Gerald, I seriously doubt if bush is allowed to make ANY decisions, much less the decision to attack Syria. These plans were being laid back when Reagan was president, and are being played out to the letter today. Same tactics, same lies, same results. And the sheeple fall for it, just like they always have. Only this time, the US is being set up for a fall. The looting of the treasury and fatal weakening of our military by spreading them so thin in a war against enemies that are made up out of thin air, have combined to bring our country to the brink. It won't be long now. Continue to fret about Plame and Rove and all the periphery rabble, that way, when the ax finally falls, you won't see it until it's an inch above your neck!

Zarqawi

Juba the sniper

James, no wonder they are able to capture and or kill him over and over again! He has more lives than the Coyote that chases the Roadrunner.

"In reality, he is an Israeli media creation, emanating out of Jordan."

The Looniest Of All 9-11 Conspiracy Theories

Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event there will usually be at least one, often several wild conspiracy theories which spring up around it. 'The CIA killed Hendrix', 'The Pope had John Lennon murdered', 'Hitler was half Werewolf', 'Space aliens replaced Nixon with a clone' etc, etc. The bigger the event, the more ridiculous and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate in relation to it.
So its hardly surprising that the events of September 11th, 2001 have spawned their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And as always, there is - sadly - a small but gullible percentage of the population eager to lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or rational analysis.

One of the wilder stories circulating about September 11th - and one that has attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs - is that it was carried out by nineteen fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'

Never a group of people to be bothered by facts, the perpetrators of this cartoon fantasy have constructed an elaborately woven web of delusions and unsubstantiated hearsay in order to promote this garbage across the internet and the media to the extent that a number of otherwise rational people have actually fallen under its spell.

Normally I don't even bother debunking this kind of junk, but the effect that this paranoid myth is beginning to have requires a little rational analysis, in order to consign it to the same rubbish bin as all such silly conspiracy theories....
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What will they come up with next?

From the above article. I read this a long time ago, but it is well worth reading again, it's hilarious.

...But the hurdles which confront the conspiracy theorist are many, and they are now forced to implement even more creative uses for the newly discovered shockingly destructive qualities of Kerosene. They have to explain how the Arabs also engineered the elegant veritcal collapse of both the WTC towers, and for this awkward fact the easiest counter is to simply deny that it was a controlled demolition, and claim that the buildings collapsed from fire caused by the burning Kerosene.

For this, its necessary to sweep aside the second law of thermodynamics and propose Kerosene which is not only impossibly destructive, but also recycles itself for a second burning in violation of the law of degradation of energy. You see, it not only consumed itself in a sudden catastrophic fireball , vapourising a sixty-five ton plane into nothing, but then came back for a second go, burning at 2000 degrees centigrade for another hour at the impact point, melting the skyscraper's steel like butter. And while it was doing all this it also poured down the elevator shafts, starting fires all through the building. When I was at school there was a little thing called the entropy law which suggests that a given portion of fuel can only burn once, something which is readily observable in the real world, even for those who didn't make it to junior high school science. But this is no problem for the conspiracy theorist. Gleefully, they claim that a few thousand gallons of Kerosene is enough to:

- Completely vapourise a sixty-five ton aircraft

- Have enough left over to burn ferociously enough for over an hour at the impact point to melt steel - melting point about double the maximum combustion temperature of the fuel

- Still have enough left over to pour down the elevator shafts and start similarly destructive fires all through the building

This Kerosene really is remarkable stuff! How chilling to realize that those Kerosene heaters we had in the house when I was a kid were deadly bombs, just waiting to go off. One false move and the entire street might have been vapourised. And never again will I take Kerosene lamps out camping. One moment you're there innocently holding the lamp - the next - kapow! Vapourised into nothing along with with the rest of the camp site, and still leaving enough of the deadly stuff to start a massive forest fire.

One more excerpt. Sorry, I can't resist!

The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free falling object, dropped from that height, meaning that its physically impossible for it to have collapsed by the method of the top floors smashing through the lower floors. But according to the conspiracy theorists, the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the morning of September 11th. It appears that the evil psychic power of those dreadful Arabs knew no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were able, by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the tower at a speed physically impossible under the laws of gravity, had it been meeting any resistance from fireproofed steel structures originally designed to resist many tons of hurricane force wind as well as the impact of a Boeing passenger jet straying off course.

Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at school, but did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why. "Muslim terrorists stole my notes, Sir." "No Miss, the Kerosene heater blew up and vapourised everything in the street, except for my passport." "You see Sir, the schoolbus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my homework because they hate our freedoms."

Or perhaps they misunderstood the term 'creative science' and mistakenly thought that coming up with such rubbish was in fact, their science homework.

The ferocious heat generated by this ghastly Kerosene was, according to the conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims can't be identified. DNA is destroyed by heat - although 2000 degrees centigrade isn't really required, 100 degrees centigrade will generally do the job. This is quite remarkable, because according to the conspiracy theorist, the nature of DNA suddenly changes if you go to a different city.

That's right, if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in New York, your DNA will be destroyed by such temperatures. But if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in Washington, your DNA will be so robust that it can survive temperatures which completely vapourise a sixty-five ton aircraft.
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And the bushbots call US looney!

James Ha and Saladin, good posts! The bullshit from Bush and his cabal is starting to pile up.

From the Nonviolent Jesus website

As Christians, it seems that our duty is to dig deeper than the merely pragmatic concerns now being raised about the war in Iraq, valid as these may be. Our first concern should not be success, but whether our national projects advance the Kingdom of God. No matter how successful or otherwise the war in Iraq might be, we should struggle against it if it contradicts that Kingdom and the laws that should govern it. Perhaps a few more words by John Howard Yoder might bring this point to it's head, "He who resorts to blows confesses he has no better arguments. Violence is weak not only in the motivation and the moral resources which keep out the enemy but cannot create a wholesome society. It can aggress but not defend; it can revolt but not build. It can eliminate a specific abuse but cannot bring social health. If a regime established by violence is to survive, this can only be by demonstrating its capacity to increase progressively the areas of freedom and of orderly legal process. The one thing you cannot do with bayonets, as the dictum has it, is to sit on them." John Howard Yoder, The Original Revolution: Essays on Christian Pacificism, Scottsdale, PA: Herald Press, 1971, p. 167. The failure in Iraq goes far deeper than incompetent execution. The spirit that prosecuted this enterprise emerged from a culture of death, as Pope John Paul II so often described it.

John Paul II's attitude toward this war can be fairly summed up in his statement made on January 13, 2003 in an address after the American Congress authorized the use of force, "NO TO WAR! War is not always inevitable. It is always a defeat for humanity." The culture of death in which this war was gestated can be characterized in the following passage from John Paul II's Gospel of Life, "This reality is characterized by the emergence of a culture which denies solidarity and in many cases takes the form of a veritable 'culture of death'. This culture is actively fostered by powerful cultural, economic and political currents which encourage an idea of society excessively concerned with efficiency." This is the culture that justifies war as long as it can be successfully spun, but turns against it and its promoters once they are perceived as ineffective. It then becomes painfully clear that it is the ineffectiveness that is condemned, not the naked aggression involved in invading a sovereign country based on lies. The Tribunal at Nuremberg stated, "To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole." This is the evil that Christians should, in my opinion, be focused on, not the fact that the aggression is not going well. It would be far worse if this deeply sinful plan were actually working. I also see an analogy here with Yoder's insight that the church should rejoice in her weakness, that her duty is not to make the powerful more effective, that we Christians need "no longer hold ourselves to be morally or psychologically obligated to tailor or moral standards to the needs of the people who are running the world", or running it into the ground in the current situation.

Bush is guilty of an international crime. Bush is truly a war criminal.

David...let's hope Rove's twisted methods (attack, distract, and never never admit that you have lied..never) to deceive are completely called out on the carpet by Fitzgerald.

So great to roll through these post without the distraction of Baf lies.

THANKS TO ALL FOR THE GREAT LINKS. FOLKS SURE ARE COVERING A LOT OF TERRITORY.

#37 Bob in North Dakota. Cheney and Rove may not go to jail. I do believe Fitzgerald is after the truth and if he gets there...they will have to go somewhere. I do hope there is a hell at times like these..

#41 Capt I agree with you. We need to apply Pressure Pressure in regard to the lies and smears of the Bush administration. Although as I have shared it often feels hopeless.

#81 Alan...where is the best place to read about the State law requiring Source Code Escrow? I know here in OHio Bob Fitkaris and Wasserman at Fress Press are the folks in OHio who are focused on voting reform and Diebold.

#96 Saladin
#97 Capt...I know I have read that Brewster Jennings had discovered a connection between WMD sales and folks in the Bush Administration who have possibly involved with proliferation of weapons or profits made from proliferation.

This is the first I have heard about Brewster Jennings catching or being aware of WMD's being smuggled into Iraq.

Although it is certainly not surprising. After the invasion and there were no finds of WMD's. I kept saying to myself and others when wil they plant some WMD's. Especially when the Bush Administration kept saying that there was a strong possibility that the WMD'S had been moved into Syria or Iran. At that point it seemed more than likely that they would try to plant something.

#100 Saladin I have read a few things about the oil pipeline that Israel wants to run into their port at Haifa. So it needs to go through Syria? Where have you found to be the best reading on this topic?

#110 James Ha ...These folks really are fascist......Depopulation "Implications of world wide population growth for U.S. security and overseas interest"

#????? Someone was addressing invading Syria. Where was it that I have read that we all ready have special forces in both Syria and Iran?

TO ALL...it was refreshing to read everyones thoughts and links without the droll trolls...distractions and lies, I do think it is best not to throw fuel onto their inflammatory hogwash, by responding to them. It really changes the enviroment.

I was reading Bishop Thomas Gumbleton's homily for November 27, 2005. He recites God's words, "Where two or more are gathered in my name, I will be there."

The David Corn website does have two or more gathered in God's name and so He is with us. We should work on this website to better our world and the Kingdom of God.

#135 OIL Ms. Saladin may have other possibilities, but here is a start; suggest that you go to the truthseeker site listed as your starting point.

Links:
www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ED04Ak01.html
www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FA27Ak03.html
www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Caspian/Background.html
www.whatreallyhappened.com/oil.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm
www.indiareacts.com/archivefeatures/nat2.asp?recno=10∓ctg=policy
www.radioislam.org/racism/fr/juif.htm
www.wzo.org.il/en/resources/view.asp?id=828
www1.idf.il/aman/site/default.asp
www.intelligence.org.il/department/intelligence.htm
www.fas.org/irp/world/israel/aman/
www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=332835&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1967.htm

See Inside the White House archive:
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/category.asp?id=41

Jeanne... I did watch Russerts "Meet the Press" this morning. I usually go back and forth to Stephanopolous "This Week". I could not this time. Russert had McCain on for 40 minutes. This guy is going to be tough to beat in 2008.
If McCain wins he will continue with the control and occupation of Iraq, it was obvious.

While he agreed with those who have said that not near enough troops were sent in . He was focused on the possible consequences of an early withdrawal. He said that the Bush administration had made serious "mistakes to inflate the american people's expectations" before the invasion of Iraq. He also went onto say that "the benefits of success in Iraq are magnigicent".

This made me sick to my stomach. Benefit to who...the over one hundred thousand dead Iraqi people and to who knows how many american and ooalition soldiers whill still die.

McCain went onto say the big problem with too few troops is the ability of the standing force to control an area and then be able to expand that control. So that the Iraqi people in that controlled area could resume normal life.

One has to wonder what normal is to the Iraqi people who have been put threw HELL under Saddam,a war with Iran, our sanctions, and now our occupation of their country.

McCain did go over how we were told by Wolfowitz (remember him?) and Cheney that we would be greeted as liberators, and oil would pay for the cost of the invasion etc.etc. He actually said "this town has become so corrupt". Talk about an under statement.

You have to wonder what it would be like to be and Iraqi and watch rich white guys in the U.S. sit there and determine the direction of your country.

You would have to be in "SHOCK AND AWE" to watch a country half way around the world invade your country based on lies ..telling you and the rest of the world we are trying to win "THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF YOUR PEOPLE" as the U.S. kills over one hundred of them and counting....... in the process.

It is numbing.

over One hundred thousand Iraqi people killed and counting..... (according to the Lancet report and Robert Fisk of the Independent).....

December Prayer Mattie Stepanek, 1999

No matter who you are,
Say a prayer this season.
No matter your faith,
Say a prayer this season.
No matter how you celebrate,
Say a prayer this season.
There are many ways
To celebrate faiths.
There are so many faiths
To celebrate life.
No matter who,
No matter what,
No matter how,
You pray.
Let’≥ say a prayer
This season,
Together, for peace.

Leaving Iraq

james 98
funny how no one gave a damn about the Iraqi's liberty until PNAC911

funny how every one, EXCEPT UNEDUCATED LIBERAL LEFT WING CONSPIRACY NUTS, cared about the Iraqi's liberty, especially after al Qaeda with help from Saddam and his training camps, attacked America on 9/11

96 Saladin
Brewster-Jennings actually caught WMD's being smuggled into Iraq with the intention of planting them to prove the WH allegations that saddam had WMD's.
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I HEARD LEFT WING PROPAGANDISTS HAD ALREADY MADE UP A STORY THAT,
Brewster-Jennings actually caught WMD's being smuggled into Iraq with the intention of planting them to prove the WH allegations that saddam had WMD's. I KNOW THOSE SAME LEFT WING PROPAGANDISTS HAVE MADE UP LOTS OF LIES TO BE PLANTED IN VARIOUS PLACES, TO HELP THE TERRORISTS AND TRY TO HURT BUSH.

Funny how you rightwing loons don't care that we cut and run from Afghanistan and let Osama run free. It's nice that you would like Iraqis to be free; but most Iraqis want American troops out to express their freedom. So do most Americans.

Too bad that you spit on the graves of the victims of 911 by defending a cowardly lying president. 911 was only a stepping stone to Chimpy's election.

Saladin 102

You, especially, should never be allowed to quote, Abraham Lincoln.

If you had lived back then you would have been calling him a lying killer, and telling everyone how the slaves were better off before Abraham Lincoln started sending our soldiers down south to die for a worthless cause.

Saladin, you are a hypocritical disgusting pig.

and the rightwing loonies think it's just great that we torture people. 'Democracy' and "showing them a better way" while lying and torturing, but don't tell anybody or it will be treason. Say wha?? Don't show the rest of Abu Graib pictures or it's treason. Don't show the forged Niger docs because it would be treason.
How 'bout, we point out all their lies and mistakes so we don't make them again and try to repair our standing in the world. You can't sweep lies under the rug and pretend they don't exist. Quit making it easier for al Qaeda to recruit more terrorist while we're stuck in a quagmire in Iraq for no fkn reason. Let's 'cut and run' back to Afghanistan where the REAL WAR ON TERROR IS.

*same to you Nigh

haha I figured you're gonna spew some b/s so I beat ya to it. LOL

What was I thinking?

Mibu? Joseph? Jess? Ben? Nigh the Slaveholder? SMDH.

(Same Moron Different Handle)

Catch you guyz later, I'm off to take my Mom out to eat for her b'day.

Alan, don't forget it's cut and run ‚Ñ¢. They own the trademark.

Cheneyburton get's a cut of the Billions on any movement of U.S. troops. If a few hundred thousand folks die in the process, well they can send a subsidiary to help the dying and displaced. Million dollar contracts? How quaint. Sorta like the Geneva Conventions.

Kathleen, I wanted to post in response to the comment at #1 regarding the lowering of the conversational bar when trolls are around. It can only be lowered if people continue to help them lower it by answering. Saying that it is all the trolls fault isn't really honest. I have no problem whatsoever scrolling straight past the BS like ben posted, they do not have the ability to annoy or piss me off if I don't read their happy crappy.
Here is a good link re: Haifa pipeline through Syria.

Oil Pipeline Maps

And you are correct, assaults on Syrian troops by US forces have already begun. You may recall that bushco started bombing Iraq a month before getting the OK from congress, so this is not surprising.

104 Don
We don't need to know where the CIA planes are landing in Europe. That information is not vital to anyone at home.

The governments of Europe would beg to differ.

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The cooperating governments already know, and I could care less about how the non-cooperating governments feel, when we are fighting a world wide war on terror to protect ourselves, and yes, even them.

We can sit around and have a nice little talk about our " feelings ", after we kill more terrorists.

I guess the buchco strategy is that the more incompetent you are, the more bombings will be unleashed. If my Church does not condemn the Syrian war, I am really going to be pissed. My letters are no longer published in the Catholic News Service.

Gerald, the important thing is that YOU condemn these horrific and inhuman wars!! The church can answer for itself.

I am in the market for a rational explanation for this conundrum!

According to the practitioners of the fruit loop, nineteen Arabs took over four planes by subduing the passengers and crew through the use of guns, knives, box cutters and gas, and then used electronic guidance systems which they had smuggled on board to fly the planes to their targets.

The suspension of disbelief required for this outrageous concoction is only for the hard core conspiracy theorist. For a start, they conveniently skip over the awkward fact that there weren't any Arabs on the planes. If there were, one must speculate that they somehow got on board without being filmed by any of the security cameras and without being registered on the passenger lists. But the curly question of how they are supposed to have got on board is all too mundane for the exciting world of the conspiracy theorist. With vague mumblings that they must have been using false ID - but never specifying which IDs they are alleged to have used, or how these were traced to their real identities - they quickly bypass this problem, to relate exciting and sinister tales about how some of the fictitious fiends were actually searched before boarding because they looked suspicious. However, as inevitably happens with any web of lies, this simply paints them into an even more difficult corner. How are they supposed to have got on board with all that stuff if they were searched ? And if they used gas in a confined space, they would have been affected themselves unless they also had masks in their luggage.

"Excuse me sir, why do you have a boxcutter, a gun, a container of gas, a gas mask and an electronic guidance unit in your luggage?"

"A present for your grandmother? Very well sir, on you get."

"Very strange", thinks the security officer, "that's the fourth Arabic man without an Arabic name who just got on board with a knife, gun or boxcutter and gas mask...and why does that security camera keep flicking off every time one these characters shows up? Must be one of those days I guess..."

Asking any of these basic questions to a conspiracy theorist is likely to cause a sudden leap to the claim that we know that they were on board because they left a credit card trail for the tickets they had purchased and cars they had rented. So if they used credit cards that identified them, how does that reconcile with the claim that they used false IDs to get on to the plane? But by this time , the fruit loop is in full swing, as the conspiracy theorist tries to stay one jump ahead of this annoying and awkward rational analysis. They will allege that the hijackers' passports were found at the crash scenes. "So there!" they exalt triumphantly, their fanatical faces lighting up with that deranged look of one who has just had a revelation of questionable sanity.

Hmm? So they got on board with false IDs but took their real passports with them? However, by this time the fruit loop has been completely circumnavigated,and the conspiracy theorist exclaims impatiently, "who said anything about false IDs? We know what seats they were sitting in! Their presence is well documented!" And so the whole loop starts again. "Well, why aren't they on the passenger lists?" "You numbskull! They assumed the identities of other passengers!" And so on...

Finally, out of sheer fascination with this circular method of creative delusion, the rational sceptic will allow them to get away with this loop, in order to move on to the next question, and see what further delights await us in the unraveling of this marvelously stupid story.

145 about
Saladin 102

You, especially, should never be allowed to quote, Abraham Lincoln.

If you had lived back then you would have been calling him a lying killer, and telling everyone how the slaves were better off before Abraham Lincoln started sending our soldiers down south to die for a worthless cause.

Saladin, you are a hypocritical disgusting pig.

Nigh, on this one I will have to agree with you, except, leave off the disgusting pig part. Saladin in only hypocritical, not a disgusting pig

The Real McCain

Beware of McCain because I see him more as Cain in the Cain and Abel story of the Bible.

Mibu dressed as a girl (Jess) sez:
We can sit around and have a nice little talk about our " feelings ", after we kill more terrorists.

From a Reuters article:
"the American Civil Liberties Union says it plans to sue the CIA in the case of a man who was flown by its agents to a secret prison in Afghanistan near Kabul called the "Salt Pit", and interrogated there as a terrorism suspect.

It did not identify the man, but the details match the case of Khaled el-Masri, a German national who was arrested in Macedonia on December 31, 2003, and says he was handed to U.S. officials, flown to Afghanistan where he was held in appalling conditions, and only sent back to Europe five months later when the CIA realised they had the wrong man."

I know all us brown folks look the same to you rightwing losers; but if you think they're killing terrorists, you're a bigger moron than Harriet Miers.

The USS Liberty: America's Most Shameful Secret

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that...I want to tell you something very clear: don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it"

Ariel Sharon - Israeli Prime Minister - 3rd October 2001

The Liberty - a World War II freighter - had been converted into an intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment. The ship bristled with antennas and electronic 'ears' including TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon.

Liberty had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the third Arab-Israeli war: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

At 08:00 on 8th June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over Liberty, which was flying a large American flag. At 14:00, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The Liberty was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle.

At 14:24, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning Liberty with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 14:31, an Israeli torpedo hit the Liberty midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died.

Israeli gunboats circled the wounded Liberty, firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on direct orders from the White House.

An hour after the attack, Israeli warships and planes returned. Commander McGonagle gave the order - 'prepare to repel borders' - but the Israelis, probably fearful of intervention by the US Sixth Fleet, departed. Liberty was left shattered but still defiant, her flag flying.

The Israeli attacks killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War II.

Why did Israel try to sink a naval vessel of its benefactor and ally? Most likely because Liberty's intercepts flatly contradicted Israel's claim, made at the war's beginning on 5 June, that Egypt had attacked Israel, and that Israel's massive air assault on three Arab nations was in retaliation. In fact, Israel began the war by a devastating, Pearl-Harbor style surprise attack that caught the Arabs in bed and destroyed their entire air forces.
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A painful bit of history. This episode and it's consequences are still raging today.

Alan,

You live in a rose colored fantasy world don't you?

Is it safer, for your fragile little mind in there, rather than living in the real world?

Don't worry Pan, I know the coward posting in your name is not you. Ignorance, for a troll, is bliss.

"For the first time ever, Republicans in Congress -- Republicans! -- are demanding to know the president's exit strategy from Iraq.
Yeah, in response the president said I have an exit strategy, I'm leaving office in 2008."--Conan O.

Nope. The preparations to cut and run ‚Ñ¢ are in the works. The only thing left is whether or not to tell Chimpy. It's not as if he'll know either way.

"President Bush traveling a lot these days. You notice that? Last week, Bush was in Latin America, and later this week he's going to Asia. The trips are all part of Bush's new domestic plan, 'Don't blame me, I wasn't even there.'" --Conan O.

Folks in America aren't making the money that they used to. Thanks to their boys in the Cheney Administration, Big Oil doesn't have that problem.

"According to the latest poll, if George W. Bush were to run for president today he would lose to the Democratic candidate. And today George W. Bush said 'Again?'" --Jay Leno

How many elections is this guy gonna have to rig to get some respect? Stealing elections is harrrd work for Chimpy.

The big story from Washington today is that President Bush may have lied to investigators about the CIA leak. The theory is that President Bush may have been playing dumb. Well good luck getting anyone to believe that one." --Jay Leno

Hey, the Bushbutts might believe it. They think that they got the Millions in tax cuts that the Billionaires got. They also think that we caught Osama and that there's WMD in Iraq. LOL.

Click on my name to get a free DVD of of Scooter Libby Perjuring himself, trying to keep President Cheney out of Jail. It's funny stuff.

Will we nuke Iran?

CALL YOUR REPRESETATIVES..LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU WANT THEM TO STAND UP TO THE AIPAC LOBBY...TELL THEM YOU DO NOT WANT THEM TO SUPPORT SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN................ FOCUS ON ISSUES
With time short on Iran nukes,
AIPAC criticizes Bush approach
By Ron Kampeas
December 2, 2005

WASHINGTON, Dec. 4 (JTA) — As time dwindles for diplomatic efforts to curtail Iran’s drive for nuclear weapons, the pro-Israel lobby in Washington is criticizing the Bush administration’s handling of the issue.
The United States has endorsed a European Union plan that would allow Iran to continue its nuclear development as long as it leaves uranium enrichment, the final stage of converting uranium to fuel, to Russia. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the hope is that such a deal would keep Iran from bringing its uranium to weapon-grade level.

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“We’re prepared to see if the Russians can explore something that may bring the Iranians around to the recognition that they cannot enrich and reprocess on their territory, that they have a credibility problem with the international community as to the fuel cycle,” Rice told USA Today last week. “We’ll see whether it works.”

Within days of Rice’s interview, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee delivered a rare public criticism of the Bush administration.

“Last week’s decision allowed Iran to win a critical round in its game of cat-and-mouse with the international community,” AIPAC said in an email earlier this week headlined “IMPORTANT — AIPAC press statement critical of Administration’s recent decisions on Iran policy.”

AIPAC and Israel had hoped that the United States would nudge the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, into referring Iran to the U.N. Security Council last week for sanctions. The IAEA board met last week in Vienna and deferred a decision on whether to refer Iran to the Security Council while Britain, Germany and France — the “E.U. 3" — try to negotiate with Iran.

A senior Bush administration official said Iran was clearly in non-compliance, but the United States wanted to make sure Russia would not exercise its veto if the matter goes to the Security Council.

“We’re satisfied that reporting Iran’s non-compliance to the Security Council will advance the issue,” said the official, who spoke anonymously because the matter is still under negotiation. “But because Russia is in a position to veto, we want to make sure Russia is cooperative when we get to the Security Council.”

The negotiations are to begin within two weeks, and no one expects the IAEA to consider the matter again until at least February.

But that could be too late, according to an assessment by Maj.-Gen. Aharon Zeevi-Farkash, Israel’s military intelligence chief.

“If, by the end of March,” the IAEA board “does not succeed in transferring the issue to the Security Council, it will be possible to say that the diplomatic effort has failed,” Zeevi-Farkash reportedly told the Knesset’s Defense and Foreign Affairs Committee this week.

The U.S. official said the Bush administration does not agree with that date. “There’s a difference, it’s not huge,” the official said. “But Israel sees it as a bit closer than we do.”

In a deal brokered last year by the E.U. 3, Iran agreed to shut down its nuclear fuel-cycle activities. That ended this summer after critical E.U. and IAEA reports suggested that Iran was not allowing inspectors full access, and uncovered earlier deceptions by Iran.

Iran defiantly resumed its nuclear fuel cycle; moreover, its new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is a radical who has ratcheted up anti-Israel rhetoric, publicly calling for Israel’s destruction.

On Sunday, Iran announced that it plans to build 20 more nuclear reactors. Construction is to begin on the first two of the new reactors in March, one with Russian help.

Israel saw in the statement further cause for concern that Iran soon will attain nuclear weapons.

“The danger is a global danger, and I think it is entirely clear that we cannot allow situation to emerge where Iran becomes a nuclear power,” Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said. Israel’s military chief of staff said Sunday that he doubts diplomatic pressure will stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

“The fact that the Iranians are successful time after time in getting away from international pressure ... encourages them to continue their nuclear project,” Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz told foreign journalists. “I don’t believe for the time being that political pressure will bear any fruit.”

Iran says it has no interest in enriching uranium to weapons levels, and wants only to convert it to fuel for peaceful energy purposes. But AIPAC and Israel are concerned that allowing Iran any uranium conversion capability would bring it dangerously close to weaponization if the E.U.-Russia deal falls through.

“The Russian proposal allowing Iran to possess a key step in the nuclear fuel cycle is a dangerous concession made at a time of continued Iranian intransigence,” AIPAC said in a memo accompanying its statement. Senior Israeli officials brought the matter up in a strategic dialogue session this week with their U.S. counterparts.

The Americans, headed by Nicholas Burns, an undersecretary of state, said they agreed that Iran ultimately should face sanctions, but didn’t want to bring the matter to the Security Council until they were certain that Russia and China would not veto sanctions.

There likely would be a majority on the Security Council for sanctions, but Russia and China — who are wary of nuclear oversight because of their own nuclear programs — have indicated they would exercise their veto right.

The U.S. believes that bringing Russia into the mix would give it a motive to back sanctions eventually. Israel and AIPAC worry that could take too long, and they favor going to the Security Council now, if only to show Iran how serious they are.

Moreover, Israel believes that a warning statement from the Security Council — rather than full sanctions — likely would not be vetoed now. Getting Russia and China on board with such a warning now would make it harder for them to veto sanctions later if Iran continues to defy warnings, the thinking goes.

Another option is to operate outside the U.N. framework. Europeans have suggested they would consider sanctions if the United States presses hard; Iran does a great deal of business with Europe, and such sanctions could have some bite.

Another factor informing resistance to the E.U.-Russian formula is that advocates of sanctions do not regard Russia as entirely trustworthy when it comes to Iran. Russia has an array of defense and nuclear investments in the Islamic republic, and Russian media reported Friday that Russia and Iran have just signed a $1 billion missile deal.

The U.S. official said the Russian proposal as it now stands was not acceptable.

The United States wants to shut down all fuel conversion in Iran, while the Russians want the Iranians to be able to continue converting uranium to fuel, reserving only the final enrichment stage for Russia.

“We don’t think conversion in Iran makes sense,” the official said. There’s enough existing fuel on the open market to power the single nuclear reactor Iran says it needs, the official said, and the amount of fuel that a separate conversion process would yield is excessive. “No country needs this much fuel to power a single reactor.”

The undercurrent of the U.S. strategy appears to be to allow Russia to realize how stubborn the Iranians are, a process that would finally drive Russia into the camp in favor of sanctions. “We were supportive of the efforts of the E.U. 3,” the official said, referring to a failed agreement last year to shut down Iran’s nuclear cycle. “They came to a dead end. Now we’re trying to be supportive of Russia’s efforts.”

AIPAC prides itself on its close working relationship with the Bush administration, and officials at the pro-Israel group suggested they would not have issued such public criticism if they didn’t consider the matter urgent. Iran has been a top

AIPAC priority for more than a decade, and the organization believes the Islamic republic poses a grave danger to Israel.

If it comes down to a political battle, signs are that AIPAC could muster strong support in Congress to press the White House to demand sanctions on Iran.

Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.), chairwoman of the U.S. House of Representatives’ Middle East subcommittee, signaled outspoken opposition to the E.U.-Russia deal weeks ago.

“It is baffling that the Europeans still seek to appease and arm the terrorist regime in Teheran,” she said in a Nov. 10 statement. “To add insult to injury, they want to entrust Russia, a nation with an already dubious record regarding Iran’s nuclear and missile proliferation, to process Iran’s uranium.”

Ros-Lehtinen noted that her own Iran sanctions bill has the support of three quarters of her House colleagues, though she’s trying to line up additional co-sponsors.

“By allowing Iran nuclear capabilities, the Europeans are giving the match to the pyromaniac,” she said.




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There. See the difference?

Confessions

A somewhat lengthy article but a great informative article!

#165 Pan, I love it!

If Israel controls American foreign policy, then we have no exit strategies of any kind. We must be given permission from Israel to exit Iraq!

"Jeanne" has got folks here talking at each other, burying meaningful comments beneath much chatter, as if this were a forum instead of a place to post comments on Corn's chosen diversion du jour. This makes Jeanne a distraction from a diversion; noise upon noise.

Is Bush a War Criminal?

To hell with Bushco, his jackboots and his illegal war.

I hope any new volunteers for the military, get wasted as soon as they set foot on Iraqi soil.

It would be a good thing for the jackboots already there also.

IBW 170

Amen to that

The Cheney Administration is talking cut and run ‚Ñ¢ again. Hadley is ready. He thinks that the Last Throes thing was overdone, BTW. He must not have had his dose of Koolaid this morning.

And speaking of which, Crazy Chris Hitchens is showing signs that the Koolaid (or Jack Daniels, whichever) is wearing off. He punks Joe Scarborough's entire country. It's so sad.

And let the Swiftboating of Rich Lowry begin. He said: "Now, there are plausible criticisms to be made of the Bush administration: for being unrealistic, for being incompetent, for being naive, all the rest of it"

Yikes. Big Dawg is getting desperate for power? Was this him breaking into the White House?

Oy, James Wolcott is being mene again. He has some funny things to say about Mr. Corn and his friends at Pajama Factory.

I wouldn't expect a reply from Mr. Corn for getting caught in the crossfire between Wolcott and Cooper.

170
It would be great to see the Nazi/Bush Gestapo, get back some of what they have been handing out.

173 pande

I wouldn't expect a reply from Mr. Corn for getting caught in the crossfire between Wolcott and Cooper.

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You are correct. David Corn will run and hide his head up someone's cornhole. He will do anything to steer you Cornnuts from the truth of he and Joe Wilson outing Joe's wife, the CIA secretary.

Pan, if David sleeps with the enemy, he's bound to be turned on. But, he is far too graceful to reply in kind, he knows how to brush off bushbots!

Dec 4 2005..Whether you are a Republican, Democrat or an independent. Whether you were for, against or on the fence having to do with the invasion of Iraq. The american public needs to have the truth about the false intelligence that took us into this war.

Senator Pat Roberts R the chair of Phase II of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has continually put up road blocks.. against.. the implementation of Phase II. He continues to do so at this time.

The Office of Special Plans, the White House Iraq Group, and the Policy Counterterroism Evaluation Group were all involved in the creation and dessimination of fabricated intelligence having to do with WMD's in Iraq. They have yet to be investigated. Phase II would investigate these offices and their activities.

Please contact Republican Pat Roberts from Kansas and Senator Rockerfeller from West Virgina demanding that Phase II of the SSCI move forward. Demand that every piece of intelligence and every individual be thoroughly investigated. This is the job of our representatives.

This is the very least we can do for those who have lost their lives in this needless war.

DEC. 5 2005...PUT MORE PRESSURE ON OUR REPRESENTATIVES THIS WEEK. DO NOT LET THIS GET SWEPT UNDER THE RUG... AGAIN.....

Kathleen, the Rockefeller's are members of the CFR and the Trilateral Commission. They will do whatever supports their agenda, which is the one world Govt. They have admitted this goal time and time again. Contact away, they don't care what we want. Why do you think, in all the years you have labored, that nothing changes, except for the worst?

Kathleen, the Rockefeller's are members of the CFR and the Trilateral Commission. They will do whatever supports their agenda, which is the one world Govt. They have admitted this goal time and time again. Contact away, they don't care what we want. Why do you think, in all the years you have labored, that nothing changes, except for the worst?

I hope several more road side bombs go off with devastating results to the military.

If it happens enough, the Bushbots in America that defend our Commander in Murder, will understand we have been right from the beginning.

Illuminati Bloodlines including The Rockefeller Bloodline

#174 looks like there's another micki

that was not moi!

#178 Saladin...you are wrong about Senator Rockerfeller's efforts to implement Phase II of the SSCI. He has made every effort to move this investigation forward.

Senator Pat Roberts just used another roadblock..by asking the inspector general of the Pentagon to investigate the Office Of Special Plans. This could delay this investigation another year. This investigation was promised by Roberts over a year ago.

Senator Rockerfeller did not know that Roberts had made that request.

We need to push for this investigation.

It seems we always need permission from Israel to anything. The unholy Jew is the reason for most of the trouble in the world.

It seem we must be given permission from Israel for everything! The unholy Jew is the reason for most all the trouble in the world.

participate.net

Kathleen...you might want to take a look at this site. Something may leap out at you as a possibility for getting the word out on important issues.

Kathleen, we will see.

"Pacified" Fallujah

Lies cost lives in Iraq...

...So if you want to keep thinking there is peace in Fallujah, you’§ better ignore the facts on the ground and keep listening to NPR "presstitutes" talking on the radio from their hotel rooms in Baghdad.

Surprised to hear this about NPR? Don't be.

According to Robert McChesney, president of Free Press, a national, non-profit, media reform group in the US which works to support a diverse and independent media, our public broadcasting outlets are already infiltrated by Bush Administration ideologues.

"White House loyalists inside the Corporation for Public Broadcasting have launched a crusade to remake PBS, NPR and other public media into official mouthpieces. Kenneth Tomlinson's tenure at the CPB was characterized by targeting journalists like Bill Moyers who dared to air dissenting voices or prepare investigative reports on the administration," writes McChesney, "Tomlinson's goal was clearly to fire a shot across the bow of all public stations so managers would shy away from the sort of investigative journalism that might expose Bush administration malfeasance. Tomlinson resigned in disgrace but left behind a cast of cronies to carry out his partisan crusade. And we still don’¥ know the extent to which Karl Rove and others at the White House orchestrated his efforts."
Free Press also accuses the Bush Administration of bribing journalists, lying about the Iraq War, eliminating dissent in the mainstream media, gutting the Freedom of Information Act, consolidating media control, and manufacturing fake news.

We've recently had a nice example of a bright and shining lie with regards to manufacturing fake news in Iraq. A secret military campaign to plant paid propaganda in the Iraqi news media has been uncovered. Exposed is Washington-based Lincoln Group, which has contracts with the military to "Provide media and public relations services."

Meanwhile, failed US propaganda campaigns are not hiding the fact that military planners in Iraq estimate that there are as many as 100 resistance groups now fighting against the Anglo-American occupiers of their country.

Nor have the propagandists managed to hide the fact that two more members of the so-called Coalition of the Willing, Bulgaria and Ukraine, have announced they will begin withdrawing their combined 1,250 troops by the middle of this month.

Most likely, Bulgaria and Ukraine want to get their folks out of Iraq before more of the country becomes "pacified" like Fallujah.
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No matter how the White House tries to hide the truth it comes out. There will always be someone who reports what is actually happening.

I watched this guy blow glass today. His work is beautiful.
Todd Cameron's Glass

Now that the 'Conspiracy Theory' has been successfully debunked in #130 / #131 and what followed we are left with the 911 event and a hole where a theory once stood.

Let's try it again, from a different perspective.
The bin Ladin's and the bush's have been friends and working partners for a long time.
Osama bin Ladin was known to dislike the Iraqi govt and also the Saudi govt.
With trouble right next door what does Osama do?
Recruit suiciders to do damage thousands of miles away! Makes perfect sense. Lend a helping hand to the failing bush jr. And by luck they chose 911, a time when an 'exercise' would go on about an attack on NY/Wash DC.

How did bush respond? By sitting in a classroom and then flying off to various destinations and ultimately Omaha. Omaha, is right next door to NY right?

And he made sure the bin Ladins got a flight out of the country. Hay, is this fitting into the absent 'Conspiracy' hole?

To digress, the burning of Kerosene--it is only the Kerosene which was blown into the air and on the surface of a lake of spill that contributed to the burn. The rest spilled down the various shafts, to be followed by flames, heating the 42 columns of steel 'I' beams. I don't know what to make of this but the columns failed at 30 foot increments, right? Just the way they went up.

And to add to the 'conspiracy' theory the beams were carted away as close to immediately as possible. And the specs of the construction of the towers and the inspection reports all went into a secret undisclosed vault ASAP. With the Pentagon pictures, perhaps.

Why did the beams fail? Thermite? controlled demolition? Poor welds? Damn theory.

Funny, the twin tower construction was about the time when there was a lot of talk of a great new bonding agent---could be used on bridges, buildings etc. Crazy glue.

Could the 42 columns have been perched one on top of another in 30 foot sections for about 1000 ft or so? Held by crazy glue? what would happen to crazy glue with burning kerosene cooking the beams?

Sorry for this but there is a void in a theory just begging to get filled.