tierny, in fact, doesn't understand the basics of anything. what an abysmal hack.

A person really should know what they are talking about when they write about a certain subject like undercover CIA work, but just like George W. Bush does not know enough to be president, Tierney does not know enough about the workings of undercover agents at the CIA to write about it.

Mr. David Corn,

The posts like this are the reason I call you mister!

Let the hacks hear you! Tear them a new one!

I enjoy the well reasoned "This is bullshit." You always say what needs to be said.

Thanks again,

Kirk

Can I get an answer to James Wolcott's question

I've been reading you for ages. I check your blog for new posts every day. What are you doing on the editorial board of neocon central, Pajamas Media?

Sorry for the OT post. But I am interested in the PJMedia issue.

Now, on topic:

1) Why can't the Republicans ever manage to tell the truth. Both sides have talking points, but it's only the Republicans who spin out such made up bullshit (and yes, it is a rhetorical question)

and

2) Why can't the press own up to this strategy and start correcting false talking points (less of a rhetorical question).

regardless of all minutia of the plame outing, the real crime is still being swept under the rug: that our govt. lied it's way into a war for profit

sic 'em, David!

I'm sick of the tyranny of the tierney-types in the media.

At what point and by whom or what vehicle was it in the publics domain that her identity was FIRST revealed? The law apparently wasn't broken or maybe intent is just way to hard to prove so what's the defense for Bob Novak, Who's Who? And will someone please explain to Wilson's critics the fact that there are 2 people that had to approve of Joe's trip that were not his wife. Listen to the way the Wilson critics carefully say she Reccomended him IE: Victoria Toensing. That is just as misleading as their claim about she wasn't covert.They just use weasle clauses
because no one at the CIA can say anything.

Mr. Corn, I'm interested in an answer to Dr.Laniac's question too. As a long time Nation subscriber, and a long time reader of your blog, I am very curious as to why you join forces, and lend your good name, with the rabid right wingers like Little Green Footballs, et al.

Yet, none of the curious wonder why David works for FOX?

I think we are lucky to have someone like Mr. Corn working for what is right. Should he limit the scope of his work to "left only" places, businesses, causes and who decides what is left enough to qualify?

Silly question, does anybody believe that David Corn is going to change his position based on where or at what table he sits?

You either do not share my respect for his integrity or you are implying something? David has always been honest enough to offer his perspective on stuff. Not always even left leaning by a long shot.

His work has always been respectful enough. On FOX, TV, radio and clearly in the ink he puts to paper (or types to his blog).

Good enough to have earned and keeps my respect. He need to answer to nobody but himself. He has been very successful using that formula. I hope he keeps doing what he does. I do not see any U-turns in the future but what do I know.

That is just my "take" on things.

capt

Exiting Iraq Now

by Michael S. Rozeff

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
November 7, 2005

President’s Radio Address

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Three weeks ago, the Iraqi people demonstrated their remarkable courage and resilience. They voted on and passed the new Iraqi constitution, an event unthinkable a short three years ago. Elections will soon be held in December. While extremists are still attempting to derail the progress of individual rights and democracy in Iraq, the Iraqis have chosen freedom and democracy. On behalf of the American people, I congratulate them on the ongoing political process.

An important part of our mission is now completed. I announce today an end to the military participation of American combat troops in Iraq. Prime Minister Blair will make a similar announcement concerning British forces. We now look forward to a redeployment of all American forces out of Iraq.

As I have stated before, I will not set a timetable for this withdrawal. However, I intend for it to be rapid.

Thank you for listening.

END

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This is a speech we will not soon hear. While members of Congress talk about timetables, Bush resists. As for troop reductions, the White House says there will be a "rolling target" based on "conditions." The conditions are that Iraqi forces take over security.

Americans and Iraqis, many civilian, will continue to lose their lives and be injured indefinitely. The enormous war costs will go on.

The longer American troops stay in Iraq, the higher becomes the risk of debacle – open and widespread civil war stimulated by the presence of an American occupying force and American interference in Iraq’s domestic affairs.

Now is a good time to exit. Now. Now is the time to act. Now is the time to stop awarding terrorists worldwide with a powerful recruiting tool, the continued American presence on Iraqi soil. Now is the time to end the needless death and destruction. William Lind is right. With voting on the constitution ended and elections scheduled soon, now is the time to exit.

Bush wants a puppet government that is friendly to American geopolitical interests. He has no confidence that the Iraqi people at this moment will use their freedom to produce a political outcome that reliably favors American interests. He wants control. This is what his words really mean, when he speaks of "ally" and "partner and "ensuring that success." This is the language of self-interest of the ruler of the American Empire. This is not the language of a disinterested Good Samaritan interested in freedom and democracy.

None of these goals are legitimate and none should be attempted. Iraq is for the Iraqis, not for the Americans.

Often an overpowering force, an Empire, has been able to impose peace and rule a divided land. Is this what Americans want their country to attempt in Iraq and then in Syria and Iran under the propaganda doctrines of ending tyranny, spreading democracy, fighting terror, or increasing American security? We have engaged in brutal conquest under false pretexts. We are Romans sending our legions to conquer and rule in the name of pax Americana.

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The clip is just a tease, read the whole piece, it is worth the time.

capt

"His work has always been respectful enough. On FOX, TV, radio and clearly in the ink he puts to paper (or types to his blog)."

I meant to write respectable but respectful applies as well. (Darn spell checker, it should know what I mean)

capt

The key here is quite simple: a disrespect for professional women. From Colleen Rowley to Valerie Plame, the rightists are convinced that "woman of substance" is an oxymoron. Karen Hughes is more their style, and Condeleeza Rice is noted for not saying anything to rock the boat.

Two questions for those who buy the theory that Libby did nothing wrong and Mr. Wilson's wife deserved to be outed as a CIA operative.

1. Does the administration have the unfettered right to out a CIA operative whenever it chooses so long as it fits their agenda?

2. If Libby did nothing wrong, why did he so carefully engineer his leaks so that neither he, nor the administration, were ever associated with the leaks? Afterall, he was only putting Mr. Wilson's testimony in its proper perspective.

"disrespect for professional women"

Maybe not just professionals?

They seem to believe all women are just baby warehouses that they can control or own.

Women from the middle and the moderate right have brains (some very good ones) and are not likely to submit.

Privacy - a big issue with all people.

Choice must be recognized as no matter what laws are passed to restrict options, every woman has to make a choice on a very personal issue on a very personal and private level. The neocons and Kkkristo-fascists want to use their binary logic and enforce a choice on every woman?

Yeah, and prohibition stopped people from drinking. Nobody smokes weed because it is illegal. When a person drinks they never drive drunk because they respect even the most reasonable laws, right?

I predict a backlash from every woman not already brutalized into submission. Even some of the most loyal.

capt

That man is a silly pathetic fool-- one of the worst out there, and that is saying a lot.

What Did Cheney Know, and When Did He Know It?
By Nicholas D. Kristof
The New York Times

[...]When Richard Nixon was a candidate for vice president and embroiled in scandal, he addressed the charges in his Checkers speech: "The best and only answer to a smear or to an honest misunderstanding of the facts is to tell the truth." (Mr. Vice President, any time a columnist quotes Nixon to you in an exhortation to be honest, you're in trouble.)

Even when Spiro Agnew was embroiled in a criminal investigation, he tried to explain himself, repeatedly. Do you really want to be less forthcoming than Dick Nixon and Spiro Agnew? [...]

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Starts with 5 questions for the Vice President.

1984 Chapter 3 section 3

'Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others ; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were- cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?'

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Interesting trollwellian perspective.

There will be no equality while fools and fanatics occupy our high offices.

capt

Bush Taps "Scalia-Lite" to Replace O'Connor
By Marjorie Cohn
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

[...] Alito would gut abortion rights if given the chance. As a judge on the Third US Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia, he voted in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1991 to uphold a Pennsylvania law that included a provision requiring women seeking abortion to notify their spouses. When the case reached the Supreme Court, the justices used it to reaffirm Roe v. Wade. Justice O'Connor wrote the decision, which struck down the state's spousal notification requirement. In his dissent in Casey, Chief Justice William Rehnquist quoted Alito's dissent from the lower court opinion.

But Alito's right-wing bona fides don't stop there. Alito engages in "judicial restraint" - the right wing's stated litmus test - only when the conservative ends justify the means. He showed little restraint when he voted to scuttle Congress's intent by making it much harder for civil rights plaintiffs to prove sex and race discrimination. In one case, Alito's colleagues on the Third Circuit observed that the federal law prohibiting employment discrimination "would be eviscerated if our analysis were to halt where [Judge Alito] suggests."

Alito voted to invalidate part of the Family and Medical Leave Act, which guarantees most workers up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to care for a loved one. The 2003 Supreme Court decision in Nevada v. Hibbs upheld the FMLA, essentially reversing a 2000 opinion by Alito which found that Congress had exceeded its power in passing the law.

In Erienet v. Velocity Net, Alito dissented from an opinion that makes it easier for consumers to get relief in state courts for violation of the Telephone Consumer Protection Act.

Samuel Alito has also shown hostility to privacy rights by supporting the unauthorized strip searches of women and children who are not named in a search warrant. He voted to uphold the strip search of a mother and her 10-year-old daughter in Doe v. Groody in 2004. That vote drew harsh criticism from Bush's current Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff, who was on the Third Circuit at the time. Chertoff accused Alito of rubber-stamping police misconduct. Alito's excessive deference to executive power in Groody could signal his willingness to defer to the power of the executive in Bush's wars on Iraq, terror and civil liberties. This is cause for great concern.

In 2001, Alito authored a decision that struck down a public school district's policy that prohibited harassment against students based on their sexual orientation. The policy focused on harassment that might interfere with a student's educational performance or create an intimidating, hostile or offensive environment. But Alito ruled this policy was unconstitutional because it could cover "simple acts of teasing and name-calling."

Alito pandered to the gun lobby when he voted to strike down a federal law prohibiting the possession of machine guns. His position led Alito's colleagues to accuse him of disrespecting the considered decision of Congress by requiring it to "play 'Show and Tell' with the federal courts." [...]

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Are the flags at half staff for Rosa Parks, or for the Civil Rights she worked for?

Trial Could Pit Libby's Interests Against Bush's
By Jim VandeHei and Carol D. Leonnig
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, November 1, 2005

I think y'all is missing something B I G.
Teenagers in this country ain't joining up for the US military. Right now that ain't such a big deal, except right now does not last very long. Then we has got a BIG problem. Lots of wiiiild ideas about transforming the Middle East (maybe not Saudi Arabia ) and very few young Americans willing to do the grunt work equals a BIG problem. Not the only problem either.

www. war is a racket.org Because war is
a racket. www.warisaracket.org

Anderson Petition

How to remember Rosa Parks

Tuesday, November 01, 2005
Bangor Daily News

As I write this column, Rosa Parks, an icon of the U.S. civil rights movement, lies in state in the Capitol Rotunda. Parks' iconic status hides a vital question: What are we celebrating in her passing? The mainstream media celebrate a woman whose activism, civil disobedience and willingness to extend rights more broadly runs against the spirit of the age.

The recent commemorations of Parks' life read as narratives that celebrate America as the quintessentially just society. Her brave acts forced this nation finally to embrace and implement the full meaning of its professed faith in the rights and equality of all citizens. As Condoleezza Rice recently suggested, without Parks' struggle she could not have become secretary of state.

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So, neo-Condi knows she is turning her back on her race and those that made her opportunities possible. Her blind loyalty to Bush is an insult to Rosa Parks and the long lost memory of the civil rights movement. When did the civil rights movement lose the few people of color that serve as tokens in a racist administration?

Just another sycophant demagogue. This WH will obviously promote her because of her views not her actions.

Neo-Condi and Colin should be the most supportive of civil rights affirmative action in or from this administration but their silence speaks volumes.

Honor Rosa Parks by calling the crime boss on his failures. (no, never failed at anything and has never lied or even been wrong).

Shameful.

capt

Teenagers in this country ain't joining up for the US military. Right now that ain't such a big deal, except right now does not last very long. Then we has got a BIG problem. - Anderson Petition

Actually, that sounds more like a solution than a problem. Starve the military of cannon fodder.

Right now U.S. teenagers ain't joining the US military. That's a problem. No good way (that I can think of ) to solve that particular problem. Please look at www.icasualties.org
and maybe thank a soldier sometime.
Anderson Petition

Starve the military of cannon fodder ? Fine. That's a slick policy for a banana republic. I was told this is the big-leagues. I was wrong. My apologies. Have a splendid looooooooong death. Anderson Petition

Timothy,

What are you saying?

More kids should sign-up? They are getting smart and want to survive so their mom's do not end up being slimes like Casey Sheehans mother? This is a bad thing how?

Was is a racket after all, so it is bad to starve the beast?

That makes for you to invite somebody to a long death? That makes no sense and is a bit over the top to any comment made on this board.

Maybe if you extrapolate a bit on what you mean you would find some support? You will only get the respect you give. That is just how it works.

capt

Antonia Zerbisias: 'Seymour Hersh winces at media protecting 'lying' sources'

[...]"You got reporters saying they're willing to go jail to defend the right of somebody to lie to them about something that leads to the deaths of thousands of people," Hersh says. "Do you understand the crazy value system? It's pretty bad." [...]

[...][H]e wrote the foreword to Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story of the Intelligence Conspiracy to Undermine the UN and Overthrow Saddam Hussein, by former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter.

"He's got some great stuff," says Hersh. "Some amazing stuff about how his own government worked against him and how often the Brits tipped him off about what our CIA were doing, they were so appalled. It's a great story but neither the Times nor the (Washington) Post has written a word about his book. They continue to ignore him. It's totally amazing."

In his work for The New Yorker, Hersh is known for his take-no-prisoners style. That's why neocon Richard Perle, former chair of the Defense Policy Board, called him "the closest thing American journalism has to a terrorist." [...]

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Sure he is, and Rod Paige said the head of the NEA was a terrorist...but "Shock and Awe," well that stuff's just fun & games I suppose.

We Need Answers not Cover-ups

Scooter Libby and Vice President Cheney withheld critical documents in the Senate's investigation of the use and misuse of intelligence in the decision to go to war and in the management of the war.

These documents must be handed over, because the American people deserve answers.

We need answers, not cover-ups, by the Administration about these serious issues.

I ask the White House to turn over all documents withheld from the United States Senate during its investigation of the use of intelligence during the planning of the Iraq war.

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Another petition to sign if you go in for that sort of thing.

capt

CAPITOL HILL -- Democrats forced the Republican-controlled Senate into an unusual closed session Tuesday, demanding answers about intelligence that led to the Iraq war.
Republicans derided the move as a political stunt. In a speech on the Senate floor, Democratic leader Harry Reid said the American people and U.S. troops deserved to know the details of how the United States became engaged in the war, particularly in light of the indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff.
Reid demanded the Senate go into closed session. With a second by Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., the public was ordered out of the chamber, the lights were dimmed, senators filed to their seats on the floor and the doors were closed. No vote is required in such circumstances.
"The Libby indictment provides a window into what this is really all about, how this administration manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to sell the war in Iraq and attempted to destroy those who dared to challenge its actions," Reid said before the doors were closed.
Libby resigned Friday after being indicted on charges of obstruction of justice, making false statements and perjury in an investigation by a special prosecutor into the unauthorized leak of a CIA agent's identity.
Democrats contend that the unmasking of Valerie Plame was retribution for her husband, Joseph Wilson, publicly challenging the Bush administration's contention that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium from Africa. That claim was part of the White House's justification for going to war.
Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., said Reid was making "some sort of stink about Scooter Libby and the CIA leak."
A former majority leader, Lott said a closed session is appropriate for such overarching matters as impeachment and chemical weapons -- the two topics that last sent the senators into such sessions.
In addition, Lott said, Reid's move violated the Senate's tradition of courtesy and consent. But there was nothing in Senate rules enabling Republicans to thwart Reid's effort.
As Reid spoke, Majority Leader Bill Frist met in the back of the chamber with a half-dozen senior GOP senators, including Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, who bore the brunt of Reid's criticism. Reid said Roberts reneged on a promise to fully investigate whether the administration exaggerated and manipulated intelligence leading up to the war.

Perle = duck-speak

Quack quack!

Take anything he says and reverse it, you might find a small amount of truth.

Hate is not the opposite of love, the opposite of love is indifference. I am very indifferent about Richard Perle. He is so dirty even this WH keeps him at arms distance.

capt

Democrats Force Senate Into Closed Session Over Iraq Data

Uh, sure. Do you want the US military to have zero servicemembers in it ? I don't .
I want them all, especially the 155,000 in Iraq today, to be HERE today, tomorrow, and ALWAYS. Billy Joel sang it once " We said we would all go down together. " My military should protect my country in my country.
Otherwise, I am unprotected, bitter, and full of self-righteous fury. (Actually I need to pee ) The thing is, ladies and gentlemen, this government is F A I L I N G
to keep the US military servicemembers
a) alive
b ) well-paid
C ) motivated
d ) capable of telling their younger siblings, younger cousins, etc. that being in the US military ( with Rumsfeld doing the Pentagon and doing the taxpayers )
is a good career move.

Pheeeewwww ! As for the death line, It Got Yer Attention !!!!!!!!

Anderson Petition

Looks like the Repugs are getting a taste of their own medicine! Give 'em hell, Harry!

I think a better title could have been the shorter version:

"Tierney Blows"

HA!

capt

#29 "Lott said, Reid's move violated the Senate's tradition of courtesy and consent. But there was nothing in Senate rules enabling Republicans to thwart Reid's effort."
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I love seeing Repugs whine, whine, whine...they wouldn't know courtesy if it bit them on the balls!

...it also looks like bush and company are off their game...changing the subject just got a little more difficult for them.

...looks like the Dems want to talk abut manipulating us into war and lies and Scooter Libby.

David:

You need to get yourself booked on The Daily Show, IMHO.
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Tonight, Senator Barbara Boxer will be appearing on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart is broadcast on Comedy Central at 11pm ET / 10pm CT / 8pm PT, and rebroadcast at 1am, 10am, 2pm, and 8pm ET. Check your local listings to confirm the time and channel near you.

We hope you get a chance to watch Senator Boxer on The Daily Show tonight.

Timothy,

I (and I am sure) others do read your posts.

"It Got Yer Attention"

If I was reading your post how much more attention do you require? Ergo unnecessary.

"Do you want the US military to have zero servicemembers in it?""

Hyperbolic and a strawman. Nobody ever said any such thing nor has anybody ever mentioned zero members? Why make stuff up?

"The thing is, ladies and gentlemen, this government is F A I L I N G to keep the US military servicemembers"

That is what happens when the CIC (Coward in Crawford) is exposed as lying us into then demanding we stay in an illegal and unwise military action.

I cannot believe your point is, because the invasion in Iraq is going so poorly more kids should enlist?

I might be missing something but you sound either conflicted or confused.

IF war is a racket why do we need more military to participate in it?

As far as prospective enlistee's, if they read what is offered at operationtruth.com, even a dead end service sector job sounds better than promises of money and education IF you survive?

One visit to a VA hospital will put a stop to any kids fantasy of war as a career opportunity.

You have mentioned operationtruth.com before.

Why would you advocate any thinking person to join the ranks of carbon cased bullet/IED stoppers?

NB - just sayin'

capt

Usually takes me a few beers to start quoting anti-Thatcher song lyrics...... " Yes I will fight FOR my country...... The enemy is NOT some nation far across the sea, the enemy is WITH US every single breathing day . " That's from a song by New Model Army and the title of the song is " My Country ." I invite all to view their song lyrics any old time. Their recordings are better. How many more months does the US presence in Iraq need before our "representative" government acknowledges that doing a crap job of post-Saddam management of Iraq = no progress keeping the US safe, stable, free, etc. etc. ????

Thirty plus months so far. And the kids really are not " digging " it, y'all ......... The kids just ain't digging it ........... Anderson Petition

www.warisaracket.org

ANOTHER PETITION - from Ted Kennedy

"The indictment of presidential advisor 'Scooter' Libby is far more than an indictment of one individual. It's an indictment of the lengths to which administration officials were willing to go to cover up their failed intelligence. It's an indictment of their distortions about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and their serious blunders taking us to war and their vindictive efforts to discredit anyone who challenges their misrepresentations.

As we know, Scooter Libby and Vice President Cheney withheld critical documents in the Senate's investigation of the use and misuse of intelligence and the abuse of power in the decision to go to war and in the management of the war.

These documents must be handed over, because the American people deserve answers:

http://www.tedkennedy.com/page/petition/iraqdocuments

That is why I'm urging the White House to hand over those documents and asking you to join me in doing so. We need as many Americans as possible to join us in the next few days to show the White House that we are not letting this indictment be the end."

Micki,

Maybe we should start a small email campaign to get TDS to offer to book David. His star is rising and his words are being read by more today than yesterday.

I think the timing is right and David on TDS could really ROCK! (good idea). Of course accepting the invite is up to Mr. Corn.

I would be very cool if it all worked out.

capt

Conflicted ? Guilty. May I please have my country back now ? Even though it is somewhat messed-up , I still want it. Even though it is dying, I still want it. Even though it is ugly and full-of-"sores" I still want it. Thank you for reading. It's a good thing Mr. Corn allows us to do here. Thank you Mr. Corn.

Anderson Petition

DAMN THAT SPELL CHECK!

"I would be very cool if it all worked out."

capt, we may have "our times" but I would never accuse you of being narcissistic! (sp?) ;-))

What's the first step?

THREE REPUBLICAN VOTES NEEDED: PA WA MN

The House of Representatives will vote as early as next week on a budget bill that would sacrifice the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to massive oil development and destruction.

We can win this showdown in Congress, but we must secure the votes of three more moderate Republicans: Representatives Jim Gerlach (PA), David Reichert (WA), and Mark Kennedy (MN).

Get out the emails, the phone calls, the letters...

*blush*

I have started HERE

I made the suggestion and emphasized David's expertise with regard to CIA issues (mentioned Blond Ghost) and that he runs an open forum.

Just for good measure, I threw in the Cliff May accusation and his being shut out of the Arkansas school after being invited.

If we could get just two friends, then they tell two friends and so on.

It has to be worth a try, who knows it might even work. David is so on top of what is currently going on, if we can get the TDS staff to read just a bit or google David's name I think we can at minimum generate an interest and that will inform some people.

A win-win no matter what happens.

capt

Good on ya, please keep up the good work y'all. Anderson Petition.

Thanks for the TDS link Capt. I sent 'em a request for David.
Speaking of our benefactor here... David, how did the Arkansas speech go. Care to post us a report?

1-800-USA-ARMY

Let me start by saying for all of you who love Bush as your god, join the military services at 1-800-USA-ARMY.

I hate this war with Iraq because it is a wrong and an immoral war. As the death toll of American soldiers rise, I am more furious because these soldiers have been killed for the Bush lies, for oil, for us to bring down Saddam Hussein and replace him with a more corrupt government. In my readings Iraq is a very corrupt government. We have American soldiers killed not to spread democracy but to establish a corrupt government. How do the parents and loved ones feel about their sons, daughters, husbands, and wives being killed for a corrupt government?

Bush, cheney, rumsfeld, and a host of other regime officials are nothing more than scumbags, slime balls, and low life sludges. These people are perverse, demented, depraved, and deranged creatures.

Anyone who voted for these murderous thugs are accomplices in the murder of American soldiers and the Iraqi people.

On America:

The people are what makes America a great nation. The people that are the only source of goodness in most all nations.

The government is suppose to represent the people but it is, and has been, very clear for many years they do not.

The only real and meaningful politics are at the family table and that is the only place to look for real political leaders.(these days)

The country will be ours as long as we keep it.

The real power is in the numbers without dollar signs, the real power is the hundreds of millions that care enough to make their voice heard and to never relent, never give up and never surrender.

Even if the government has been taken over by greed, hubris and stupidity, even when draconian laws are passed or inflicted, even when the brown-shirts are breaking your windows because you are a progressive.

"The men who create power make an indispensable contribution to the Nation’s greatness, but the men who question power make a contribution just as indispensable, especially when that questioning is disinterested, for they determine whether we use power or power uses us." ~ John F. Kennedy, Amherst College, Oct 26, 1963 - Source JFK Library, Boston, Mass

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962

The neocons already say that any questioning, any disagreement with the federal government is un-patriotic and seditious.

Standard fascist rhetoric, communist sounding as the neoconmen call us socialists (like that is a bad thing?)

capt

1-800-USA-ARMY

Let me start by saying for all of you who love Bush as your god, join the military services at 1-800-USA-ARMY.

I hate this war with Iraq because it is a wrong and an immoral war. As the death toll of American soldiers rise, I am more furious because these soldiers have been killed for the Bush lies, for oil, for us to bring down Saddam Hussein and replace him with a more corrupt government. In my readings Iraq is a very corrupt government. We have American soldiers killed not to spread democracy but to establish a corrupt government. How do the parents and loved ones feel about their sons, daughters, husbands, and wives being killed for a corrupt government?

Bush, cheney, rumsfeld, and a host of other regime officials are nothing more than scumbags, slime balls, and low life sludges. These people are perverse, demented, depraved, and deranged creatures.

Anyone who voted for these murderous thugs are accomplices in the murder of American soldiers and the Iraqi people.

Aggression is wrong

A somewhat lengthy article but a very good article!!!

"Anyone who voted for these murderous thugs are accomplices in the murder of American soldiers and the Iraqi people."

And those who continue to support this misadministration are willing and knowing accomplices to the lies and the destruction of our long standing doctrines and beliefs in freedom and a government of the people.

capt

Are we slow learners?

American Soldiers

2,270 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush’≥ evil lies.

American Soldiers

2,270 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush’≥ evil lies.

American Soldiers

2,270 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush’≥ evil lies.

A Deadly Month

Roadside bombs will always be part of the Iraqi mystique that will kill Americans for as long as Americans are in Iraq.

Mark Kennedy? I don't know if I would call him moderate.

#58 Jeanne -- I should have noted that plea came from one of my local Washington State green activist groups -- I wondered WHO are these
*moderate* Republicans? I don't think Dave Reichert (WA) is either -- but if they're successfully persuadable on this issue, I'll call them *moderate.*

Go Harry, Go!

Time Reporter Says He Learned Agent's Identity From Rove

Matthew Cooper Says I. Lewis Libby Confirmed Information

Oct. 31 2005 —†One of the reporters at the center of the investigation into the leak of the identity of an undercover CIA officer, says he first learned the agent's name from President Bush's top political advisor, Karl Rove.

Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper also said today in an interview with "Good Morning America," that the vice president's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, confirmed to him that Ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA operative.

"There is no question. I first learned about Valerie Plame working at the CIA from Karl Rove," Cooper said.

Libby has since claimed that he heard the Plame rumors from other reporters. Cooper disputed that version of events. "I don't remember it happening that way," he said. "I was taking notes at the time and I feel confident."

If a trial goes ahead, Cooper said he would name Rove as his source of the information.

"Before I spoke to Karl Rove I didn't know Mr. Wilson had a wife and that she had been involved in sending him to Africa."

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I know this is a re-post but I needed a sounding board:

I have opined that Rove will walk but if he does it will be even worse for the WH. (maybe)

Those in power are either losing it or are playing the public for fools and again that could make things worse if some on the fence see it.

If Cooper was that plain spoken to the grand jury I would think the jurors should have indicted Rove.

capt

I really doubt that Tierney would be so cocky if the CIA officer outed had been male. Obviously the value of the job done for the nation by the "little woman" was of no importance to Tierney or his fellow Republicans. Obviously in his eyes as well as many Republicans, the damage was minimal because, after all, how involved could she be?
The Republicans should be ashamed of their conduct throughout this investigation. They are the majority party and they are not demanding answers. Why?

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We can hope but Kennedy is sort of a party line type of guy. He ran attack ads during the last campaign and I don't have a lot of respect for him but maybe he'll surprise me.

I am trying to view the video on Harry Reid taking on the Republicans but slow in coming. It's on Think Progress and Crooks and Liars.
Bravo Harry. Bravo! BRAVO!

Frist on the shutdown:

"This is an affront to me personally," he said. "It's an affront to our leadership. . . "

Leadership? What leadership?

The Dems say they might shut the place down every day until they get results on phase 2. It's about freaking time. Seems it took the smell of Libby's blood to rouse them from their coma.

Wanna bet Hillary will jump on the bandwagon by next week?

Most of the comments on this issue, including yours, focus on the potential danger to Plame, her family and her contacts. Serious issues indeed, but likely not the most serious from the point of view of intelligence gathering. Imagine you are a Syrian. You have had a ten year relationship with someone you are pretty sure is a CIA NOC. That person wants information you can get. You are inclined to provide it but aware that, if things go wrong, you, your wife and children, your aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, nephews, etc. will pay the price. Now that it is clear that your NOC might someday be outed as a part of a political spat, are you going to put your life and the lives of your family on the line? In various dangerous places around the world over the last few years you can be sure that many individuals decided it was not worth the risk. I suspect the biggest price we pay as a result of Plame's outing is not the damage to her or to assets that she ran (they may have already been burned), but in the difficulty it will give us in recruiting intelligence assets going forward.

Right now U.S. teenagers ain't joining the US military. That's a problem. No good way (that I can think of ) to solve that particular problem. Please look at www.icasualties.org
and maybe thank a soldier sometime.
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BTW - I thanked some special forces guys - face to face - in Dashti Q'aleh, Afghanistan.

But, not many conflicts in my lifetime that this country has participated in that I approved of.

"What if they gave a war and nobody came?" Viet Nam era poster.

urspond,
Very good point.

Democrats detail times their efforts to examine intel were blocked

The following fact sheet was issued to reporters Tuesday afternoon, following Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid's (D-NV) decision to force the Senate into closed session over a report on the failure of Iraq WMD intelligence. It is presented "as is."

For more than two years, Senate Democrats have pressed Republicans to address the misuse of intelligence. At every turn, Republicans have blocked efforts to investigate how intelligence was used in the run-up to the war in Iraq. Below details the long record established by Democrats to investigate this matter....
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And then it goes on to give the 20 attempts to press forinformation on the misuse of intelligence. Oh yeah, real patriots. Yep.

Senate Emerges From Closed Session on Iraq

Democrats forced the Republican-controlled Senate into an unusual closed session Tuesday, questioning intelligence that President Bush used in the run-up to the war in Iraq and accusing Republicans of ignoring the issue.

"They have repeatedly chosen to protect the Republican administration rather than get to the bottom of what happened and why," Democratic leader Harry Reid said.

Taken by surprise, Republicans derided the move as a political stunt.

"The United States Senate has been hijacked by the Democratic leadership," said Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee. "They have no convictions, they have no principles, they have no ideas," the Republican leader said.

Democrats sought assurances that Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts of Kansas would complete the second phase of an investigation of the administration's prewar intelligence.

After about two hours, senators returned to open session having appointed a six-member task force -three members from each party -to review the committee's progress and report back to their respective leaders by Nov. 14.

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Hijacked? That the pot calling the kettle black.

And how about this one. Frist telling the American public that the Democrats have no convictions. No convictions. Is he trying to spin the positive aspects of his little stock problem?

Make no mistake- the primary intent of the Valerie Plame leak was to destroy the anti-proliferation network the CIA had set up. Because leaking her name could be construed as a smear, in these circumstances, of her husband (Joe Wilson), the Administration jumped at it. Whoever it was who first conceived the plan of leaking her name and front company (Libby?) minipulated the Administration into destroying one of its best intelligence assets, for their own ends. At this point, the Administration would gladly take the blame for being petty smearers of the president's war-con dissenters, instead of taking responsibility for an outright act of treason. Brewster-Jennings had two attributes which made it anathema to the neo-cons. First, it was a source of untainted information on proliferation, interfering with spin, second, its anti-proliferation work provided no political benefit to the Administration and might even do harm to them, third, Brewster-Jennings was a thorn in the side of Mid-East arms dealers and the Russian Mafia who are connected to the administration.

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This administration is intent on destroying any intelligence operations which might actually reduce the possibility of attack, or worst of all, reduce the possibility of expanding the Iraq war. Remember, the neo-cons, insanely, see war as something which can be minipulated to their political advantage, and as a process which the US can control and make serve our ends. Insane, of course, especially coming from men with no experience of war themselves.

Why is David Corn getting into bed with Michael Ledeen and John Podhoretz, and Michelle Malkin at Pajamas Media? Why is David Corn pandering to such filth and vile, despicable people? Shame on you, Corn. You are pathetic.