Mr. David Corn,

Good post, add to the mix regarding "What are we fighting for" that we are negotiating with Mullah Omar and the picture is very clear.

Thanks for all of your work.

Kirk

I kind of hope the Woodward revelation blind sided Fitzgerald. Prosecutors hate being lied to.

After a two year investigation new evidence of lies profound enough to change the course or conclusions in the case might make Fitzgerald more determined to charge or indict.

Lies of omission are not a free play. If a person is not telling the truth they are lying.

capt

Brownie: ""My wife, children and my grandchild still love me. . . " Apparently his dog asked not to be mentioned.

Exactly--who are we fighting for in Iraq? I would answer: Iran, however unwittingly. The Iraqi Shi'ites will be the big winners, and they will get cozy with their co-religionists in Iran. Way to go, PNAC doofi! (I'm assuming "doofi" is the plural of "doofus", like "cacti" and "cactus".) Oh, silly me, I forgot--George Soros fabricated the existence of PNAC--but only if you live in--The Trollight Zone! (DOO DOO doo doo DOO DOO doo doo)

Wishing Anthony would send the PNAC fascists to the cornfield, Ivory Bill Woodpecker

"My wife, children and my grandchild still love me. My parents are still proud of me." Is it just me, or does this sound like something a stupid teenager would say? That bastard ought to have given suicide very serious consideration by now.

A spoiled teenager. "Oh yeah, well..."

#3
And his horse ain't talking.

Alan 478 previous thread

The Army closed its case. But the questions surrounding Westhusing's death continue.
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OR, maybe he got murdered because he found out a terrorist who had infiltrated, or maybe he got murdered because he found out about some drug deal, or maybe he committed suicide, or maybe ETC...

Regardless, the military has NEVER given access to reporters about crimes against military personal. The Military has always taken care of internal problems themselves. They are called court marshals

Not everything is a conspiracy. Crime and criminals don't go away just because America is presently involved in one of the most necessary and important military actions ever taken.

Based on the 'blackberry' emails from 'Brownie' and his other quotes, I think it is clear that this guy is disconnected from 'real work'. He is probably a moneyed family, a favored son, who has hung around country clubs too long. He is too excited about titles, clothes and status and has never had to meet a serious payroll for employees.

This is why we must allow the inheritance taxes on the very wealthy to continue. Brown fits the mold for the type who Gates, Rockfeller and Buffet warn will be spoiled by too much money passing from one generation to the next without a real sense of how to earn it nor how the society/governmnet helped them make it. Put it back in the pool and save us from the likes of Brown.

You know we can dimiss the alarmism because no one wants to overreact, but I wonder how serious people took the situation in the 1930s. I recall Bonhoeffer and others concerned that most of their fellow citizens didn't see their new leader for who he really was.

Hermann Göring: "Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

Gilbert: "There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

Göring: "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

In an interview with Gilbert in Göring's jail cell during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials (18 April 1946)

About #8:

"Personnel", not "personal".
"Courts-martial", not "court marshals".

As I've noted before, I might find myself able to take the trolls more seriously if they could spell.

Spellbound, Ivory Bill Woodpecker

WHO ARE WE FIGHTING FOR?
is not hard to justify at all.

We are fighting in Iraq for our life, so we do not have to fight for our lives over here.

The undeniable fact that we are making things MUCH MUCH BETTER and SAFER FOR ALL in IRAQ and the REST OF THE WORLD is a NICE SIDE BENEFIT.

Ivory bill peckerface,

Maybe you never make errors, because you type so slow with one hand, while you have your Ivory bill pecker in your other hand.

Some of us learned to type fast enough that things get by.

Ah, I love irritating the trolls. ;)---IBW

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Ah, I love irritating the trolls. ;)---IBW

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It seems that you love it, maybe a little toooo much.

Now, get that Ivory bill pecker out of your hand when thinking about me.

You're the troll, peckerhead.

From what I read on this site, IvoryBill pecker has everyone else's pecker on his mind way to much.

#8
Westinghus death is a no-win for pro-war fans regardless of whether it was cover-up or not. The published info is sufficient to show that the military has been signficantly outsourced to uncontrolled, and corrupt contractors.

Either this highly ethical person committed suicide over the responsbility he found himself having to deal with such contractors or he was murdered by them. Neither one is particularly a wonderful statement about the situation of the privatizing of US military operations. Whatever happened to the draft where people do it for the duty if not love of country, rather than the love of money?

18 yelnats

OR, maybe he got murdered by a terrorist he found out had infiltrated.

Oh yeah, that doesn't fit your bull shit theory of Illegeal war.

By the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the trolletarians are coming out of their dank lairs en masse! I checked the almanac, and it's not even a full moon (next one of those is December 15, by the way). Ah, the children of the night, what music they make...

Running with the shadows of the night, Ivory Bill Woodpecker

#12

A little over a week we went through this with the various Cheney/Rumsfeld acolytes who carry the APAC kool-aid to the masses.

Here is a reposting of some excerpts:

The US is in no more danger from terrorist attacks on our soil whether we redeploy to the borders of Iraq or we stay there and remain as sitting ducks.

Terrorists have still attacked nations outside of Iraq and obviously they are not all safely kept busy in Iraq. Meaning organizations like Al Qaeda are not somehow forced to fight only in Iraq, we just make a nice and easy target for them as they seek to help the Iraqi insurgents make Iraq our next Vietnam.

The rate of "terrorist" attacks on US interests (including troops) in foreign lands is dramatically higher since the Iraq war. This is only helped by making the wrong assertion that most attacks on US interests are terrorists versus internal insurgent efforts. So the US is really being attacked more than ever.

The reality is that organizations such as Al Qaeda are having a lot easier time getting new recruits and sending them in to 'help' local internal insurgencies. Al Qaeda is not going to go where it is difficult for them to carry out their mission; their ability to operate and train in Iraq was nil before the war and is now higher after the war.

If somehow our Iraq War military strategy has now become the prevention of US soil attacks by somehow keeping Al Qaeda preoccupied there, then we are in another Vietnam like situation. What we are doing is just sending a continuous chain of soldiers like barrels being rolled off the back of a truck into the path of a pursuing enemy, so that the enemy can never quite catch up with us. I think the Iraqi insurgents and Al Qaeda will readily outlast the US's desire to fight such a war of attrition.

I hope that each soldier is getting an honest explanation that their lives are being used for such a tactical purpose with no long-term solution or strategic benefit.

If the war is being fought with this purpose in mind, then this graphic picture is true: http://webpages.charter.net/micah/bushads2.jpg

#19 Who has the theory?

Applying Occam's razor... I think your theory requires facts that are not present versus the facts that are known and fit the situation that leads to suicide, and lesser so to a cover-up homicide, well before an infiltrating terrorist in the green zone who quietly slip in and kill this one particular officer having to deal with corruption in contractors versus any other assortment of targets in the heavily guarded green zone.

What if the UICS (contractor) paid this terrorist to come and do the killing? I mean come on.

yelnats 21
If somehow our Iraq War military strategy has now become the prevention of US soil attacks by somehow keeping Al Qaeda preoccupied

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Maybe not all attacks will be stopped, but many more than if we just let them run wild over the planet. We should continue to kill them where ever they are until they are all dead, NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES.

If we come home and quit, many many many more innocents will die, just like they did when the liberals and the liberal press made me and my fellow Marines come home from Nam. Of course you don't care about the loss of innocent life as long as you have cheap gas and food stamps.

Alan post # 487

Here are 2 EXAMPLES of the Saddam Hussein/al Qaeda link MADE by the Clinton administration in 1998:

Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism official promoting a book critical of the Bush administration, insists Saddam Hussein had no connection to al-Qaida, but in 1999 he defended President Clinton's attack on a Sudanese pharmaceutical plant by revealing the U.S. was "sure" it manufactured chemical warfare materials produced by Iraqi experts in cooperation with Osama bin Laden.

Richard Clarke

Clarke told the Washington Post in a Jan. 23, 1999, story U.S. intelligence officials had obtained a soil sample from the El Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, which was hit with Tomahawk cruise missiles in retaliation for bin Laden's role in the Aug. 7, 1998, embassy bombings in Africa.

The sample contained a precursor of VX nerve gas, which Clarke said when mixed with bleach and water, would have become fully active VX nerve gas.

Clarke told the Post the U.S. did not know how much of the substance was produced at El Shifa or what happened to it.

"But he said that intelligence exists linking bin Laden to El Shifa's current and past operators, the Iraqi nerve gas experts and the National Islamic Front in Sudan," the paper reported.

Al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1998/11/98110602_nlt.html

You Leftist absolutely LOVE to rewrite history!!! You truly do! But as you Leftist elitists STILL have not learned yet, the American people are not as dumb as you think!

You Leftist would have us believe that the Saddam Hussein/al Qaeda link and Iraq having WMDs was SOMEHOW conjured up by the Bush administration, when the Clinton administration BELIEVED the SAME THING.

Keep trying to fool the American people, I wish you luck!

Yelnats

infiltrating terrorist in the green zone who quietly slip in and kill this one particular officer

The killer may not have had to slip in, he may have been there even before Westinghus, and still firmly in place with his cover still in place.

The point is, I don't know and neither do you, but at least I don't always first jump to the conclusion that it is the evil Americans fault.

This will prove one lie and it's straight from the source...
THE WHITE HOUSE. Hit this link, it's just a short letter from Doofus to Congress to tell them we invaded Iraq because of 9/11.

Presidential Letter

March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH

my bad, here it is...

Presidential Letter

I'm tired Alan ... going to bed ... talk at ya tomorrow.

Ga Nite

Poor troll--I guess the weight of his delusions exhausts him.---IBW

Alan, read post #24, links made between Iraq and al Qaeda by the Clinton administration.

Bush never claimed Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11. That claim seems to be only made by liberals, b/c they can't differentiate between an Iraq/al Qaeda link and an Iraq/9/11 link where the latter has never been established or claimed, but the former has.

Alan, in that section of the resoultion, Bush is referring to the Axis of Evil, you know, Iraq, Iran, Syria and North Korea.

Also, Abu Musab al Zarqawi the leader of the terrorist organization, Ansar al Islam (An al Qaeda affiliate), now al Qaeda in Iraq, was in Afghanistan in 2001, and had his leg blown off, and fled to Iran and then to Baghdad, Iraq in 2002 to a hospital run by Saddam Hussein's son Udday Hussein. So that too, establishes an Iraq/ al Qaeda link.

Here cums Ivory with his pecker in his hand, he's a one balled man and he's of to the rodeooooo.

There goes Ivory with his pecker in his hand and his head up his ass and he's off to the old bathroom,

He spanks that thing while he thinks about trolls, he can't get enough of his pecker in cornholes, he's a funny little man with a thing for poles oh yeahhhh, he's all pissed off, he's an f-ing jerk, he'll spank that thing, till it's f-ing hurt.

Joe is paraphrasing "The Rodeo Song", by Bird and MacDonald, off the anthology "The Obscurity File", published by Oglio Records. I couldn't find it on Oglio's website (www.oglio.com), so you might have to search for a used copy, but it's worth the search if you like offbeat songs like "Teenage Enema Nurses In Bondage", "Harley David (Son of a Bitch)", "Buffy Come Back"(that would be Buffy of "Family Affair", not Buffy the Vampire Slayer), and "Urban Struggle" (about fake-cowboy chic).---IBW

I gotta dash now, y'all; it's been fun. I gotta cute cousin and a pahnt jah o'moonshahn waitin' out in the pickemup truck and we's gon' have us a BIG ol' tahm! YEE-HAWW!

From the swamps of Arkansas, Ivory Bill Woodpecker

Juan Cole

Let me finish with a word to W. As for your legacy two decades from now, George, let me clue you in on something--as a historian. In 20 years no Iraqis will have you on their minds one way or another. Do you think anyone in Egypt or Israel is still grateful to Jimmy Carter for helping bring to an end the cycle of Egyptian-Israeli wars? Jimmy Carter powerfully affected the destinies of all Egyptians and Israelis in that key way. Most people in both countries have probably never heard of him, and certainly no one talks about the first Camp David Accords anymore except as a dry historical subject. The US pro-Israel lobby is so ungrateful that they curse Carter roundly for all the help he gave Israel. Human beings don't have good memories for these things, which is why we have to have professional historians, a handful of people who are obsessed with the subject. And I guarantee you, George, that historians are going to be unkind to you. You went into a major war over a non-existent nuclear weapons program. Presidents' reputations don't survive things like that. Historians are creatures of documents and precision. A wild exaggeration with serious consequences is against everything they stand for as a profession. So forget about history and destiny and the divine will. You are at the helm of the Exxon Valdez and it is headed for the shoals. You can't afford to daydream about future decades.

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Historian will be unkind indeed.

capt

Is the President a Pathological Liar?

Bush's unhealthy relationship with reality

What forced this reconsideration was a speech Bush delivered in late November to several thousand troops at Butts Army Air Field in Fort Carson, Colorado. On this occasion, Bush served up the usual rah-rah about the war on terrorism. But as he was hailing the U.S. military, he remarked, "Working with a fine coalition, our military went to Afghanistan, destroyed the training camps of al Qaeda and put the Taliban out of business forever."

Out of business forever?

That was a false statement. Days before Bush’≥ speech, a U.S. helicopter crashed near Kabul, and five American soldiers were killed. These troops were hunting Taliban remnants. Two days before the speech, a rocket was fired at the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul; Taliban insurgents were the prime suspects. On November 16, a U.N. aid worker was assassinated, apparently by the Taliban. In Kandahar, the Taliban was threatening to harm Afghans who participated in local elections.

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So to answer the question: Yes, Bush is a pathological liar.

capt

Picking up where Ivory Bill mercifully left off,

Clueless Joe: "Crime and criminals don't go away just because America is presently involved in . . . "

Look up "presently" in the dictionary. You mean "currently."

Should have spent less time in ROTC and more in English class, Joe.

#25

The problem is that your argument cannot be substantiated by any facts bearing on his death. It is 100% speculation.

He could have been a Manchurian candidate that realized he was brainwashed and killed himself, for all we know.

If you want to argue that he wasn't affected by the corruption and was just weary of war, go ahead.. but don't run and hide behind the "terrorist" did it stuff... unless you have some facts to provide. Not that I mean to offend but it reminds me of the logic of a junior higher.

Let me ask you some better questions:

Do you think the USIS contractors are likely to be corrupt and are taking advantage of US taxpayers and the Iraqi citizens?

If they are corrupt does it make any difference to you and what would you say should be done about it, and what argument do you have that the military has the ability to do anything about it (in other words address the pressures that cause them to use private contractors in the first place especially where the private contractor employees get paid 5 to 10 times more than an enlisted person doing the same job)?

Does it bother you that current president has signed an executive order that protects private US oil companies from any judicial action in Iraq and in the US?

Fascism then. Fascism now?

When people think of fascism, they imagine Rows of goose-stepping storm troopers and puffy-chested dictators. What they don't see is the economic and political process that leads to the nightmare.

By Paul Bigioni

11/27/05 "Toronto Star" -- -- Observing political and economic discourse in North America since the 1970s leads to an inescapable conclusion: The vast bulk of legislative activity favours the interests of large commercial enterprises. Big business is very well off, and successive Canadian and U.S. governments, of whatever political stripe, have made this their primary objective for at least the past 25 years.

Digging deeper into 20th century history, one finds the exaltation of big business at the expense of the citizen was a central characteristic of government policy in Germany and Italy in the years before those countries were chewed to bits and spat out by fascism. Fascist dictatorships were borne to power in each of these countries by big business, and they served the interests of big business with remarkable ferocity.

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Interesting observations.

capt

#23

vbd stated:

Maybe not all attacks will be stopped, but many more than if we just let them run wild over the planet. We should continue to kill them where ever they are until they are all dead, NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES.

If we come home and quit, many many many more innocents will die, just like they did when the liberals and the liberal press made me and my fellow Marines come home from Nam. Of course you don't care about the loss of innocent life as long as you have cheap gas and food stamps.

I do not subject your concerns to such misalignment... I'm definitely not concerned about "cheap" gas or food stamps. I'm concerned about justice and human rights.

I am not sure what "innocent life" you are referring to? US citizens at home, military soldiers overseas?

In fact I wonder if your argument amounts to that it is better to sacrifice innocent Iraqi lives (and US soldier lives) than US citizen lives (in order to do what? protect cheap gas and give ourselves a welfare state based on the backs of third world countries?).

We irrationally charged into Iraq without weighing the costs in order to go after terrorists and WMD that many experts were saying were likely not there before the war. The WH admin purposefully shut out the secretary of state's office to manage a post-invasion Iraq through the pentagon, which has been an unmitigated disaster.

At this point, innocent Iraqi citizens die more frequently than US soldiers, a John Hopkins study using the same widely accepted methods to estimate mortality rates in Africa show that nearly 100,000 Iraqi CITIZENS have died as a result of the war, and a little over half as the result of US firepower (mostly air firepower).

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Maybe someday it would have been necessary to invade IRAQ, but our doing so now has not secured the US from the threats that caused 9-11, simply because SADDAM is not a 9-11 conspirator. We are now fighting 90% Iraqi insurgents and 10% terrorists in Iraq, and the latter did not exist in Iraq until after we invaded.

Even the Whitehouse talking points are clearly trying to say that they never said there was a link between the two. I state that they are trying to coverup their intended misinformation/deception because they had no desire to correct people when somehow 70% people came to believe there was a link.

So here are some other questions that I think would be more fruitful for discussion:

Terrorists networks are not countries they are more like viruses that thrive and build within weakened countries. They are independent of nations, they are lets say more like the "catholic church" in terms of boundaries and organization. How do you win against such an organization militarily? It was pretty clear how to end WWII when we fought soverign nations but how do you end this so call "war on terror"?
If our only response is military diplomacy what happens when the US is stretched beyond its limits because we end up having to fight the equivalent of a catholic church like organization in many nations? If we were to get rid of the "pope of terror" such as Bin Laden, what affect would that have?

(not disparaging comments about the catholic church are intended, just trying to borrow from its trans-national and fairly organic structure)

VIO wrote:
WHO ARE WE FIGHTING FOR?
is not hard to justify at all.

We are fighting in Iraq for our life, so we do not have to fight for our lives over here.

The undeniable fact that we are making things MUCH MUCH BETTER and SAFER FOR ALL in IRAQ and the REST OF THE WORLD is a NICE SIDE BENEFIT.

I feel the need to thank Vio. If we can't determine where the lunatic fringes reside we won't be able to become centered. Vio is one end of the spectrum, the lunatic right. One of you out there constitutes the other end of the spectrum. (While it is hilarious that anyone is so naive as to think that Iraq is a bulwark that keeps Al Quaida away from America, it goes a long way towards explaining why Americans thought 15 Saudis and 4 Egyptians were Saddam's shock troops in North America.) Keep up the silly ill-considered work Vio, America needs you.

Scooter's Motive We're getting closer to the truth

by Justin Raimondo

When someone is accused of a crime, a key component of determining their innocence or guilt is assigning a motive –†and this remains the biggest mystery of the Scooter Libby affair. Why did the vice president's then-chief of staff embark on a campaign to expose a CIA agent, Valerie Plame, and put her and her colleagues in danger?

The explanation we've been given, so far, has been that it was revenge for having put the administration's Saddam-has-nukes meme in doubt. By writing that July 6, 2003, op-ed for the New York Times, "What I Didn't Find in Africa," Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, attracted the ire of Libby and other neocons in the office of the vice president, who had been instrumental in formulating and defending that administration talking point.

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This has an interesting and slightly different perspective.

capt

Capt, while I agree with your assessment of Bush's legacy, you are wrong about Carter. There may be some in a lobby group that have harsh words, but the majority of those in Israel are very happy to have a peace with Israel. They are grateful to Carter. Why compare Carter to Bush????

Bush's legacy will be as a unpopular, blundering fool with smart, but evil, managers calling the shots behind him.

David, who are we fighting for? Is that a real question? I can provide a map that lays it all out in black and white.

From: ICH

Today, on Democracy Now!, the U.S. broadcast premiere of a documentary film called Afghan Massacre: The Convoy of Death.

The film provides eyewitness testimony that U.S. troops were complicit in the massacre of thousands of Taliban prisoners during the Afghan War.

It tells the story of thousands of prisoners who surrendered to the US military's Afghan allies after the siege of Kunduz. According to eyewitnesses, some three thousand of the prisoners were forced into sealed containers and loaded onto trucks for transport to Sheberghan prison. Eyewitnesses say when the prisoners began shouting for air, U.S.-allied Afghan soldiers fired directly into the truck, killing many of them. The rest suffered through an appalling road trip lasting up to four days, so thirsty they clawed at the skin of their fellow prisoners as they licked perspiration and even drank blood from open wounds.

Witnesses say that when the trucks arrived and soldiers opened the containers, most of the people inside were dead. They also say US Special Forces re-directed the containers carrying the living and dead into the desert and stood by as survivors were shot and buried. Now, up to three thousand bodies lie buried in a mass grave.
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Now this sure sounds familiar. Where have I heard of similar treatment to prisoners? Oh yeh, HITLER!

David and all...I continue to hope that Fitzgerald really meant what he said "that truth is the engine of our judicial system". If he continues to follow through we know "it's not over".

David there is very little in the MSM (surprise) about the development of Phase II that is finally being conducted by the SSCI. From what I have read Senator Pat Roberts is still putting up road blocks as to the depth of this investigation. Trying to keep many of the folks who possibly created (we know they dessiminated the false intelligence) OFF LIMITS to this investigation.

It would be a great service to the truth and to our "right to know" if you would continue to redirect the spotlight to this topic just for an update.

I CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO CALL..E-MAIL AND VISIT THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ABOUT THIS INVESTIGATION. WE DEMAND THAT IT COVER ALL THOSE INVOLVED WITH THE CREATION , DESSIMINATION AND MIS-USE OF THIS FALSE INTELLIGENCE. WE NEED TO STAY ON THIS ISSUE, AND LET THEM KNOW WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY.

#36 Capt. Not only is Bush a pathological liar...This is an administration filled with socio-paths and a pathological "cabal".

Fitzgerald Targets Rove Again
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Investigative Report Monday 28 November 2005

[...] Fitzgerald will present evidence to the grand jury later this week, obtained from other witnesses who were interviewed by the Special Prosecutor or who testified, showing that Rove lied during the three times he testified under oath and that he made misleading statements to Justice Department and FBI investigators in an attempt to cover up his role in the leak when he was first interviewed about it in October 2003, the sources said.

The most serious charges Rove faces are making false statements to investigators and obstruction of justice, the sources said. He does not appear to be in jeopardy of violating the law making it a crime to leak the name of a covert CIA agent, because it's unlikely that Rove was unaware that Plame Wilson was undercover, the sources said.

However, according to the sources, two things are very clear: either Rove will agree to enter into a plea deal with Fitzgerald or he will be charged with a crime, but he will not be exonerated for the role he played in the leak, based on numerous internal conversations Fitzgerald has had with his staff. If Rove does agree to enter into a plea, Fitzgerald is not expected to discuss any aspect of his probe into Rove, because Rove may be called to testify as a prosecution witness against Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. Libby was indicted last month on five counts of lying to investigators, perjury, and obstruction of justice related to his role in the leak.

Moreover, a second high-ranking official in the Bush administration also faces the possibility of indictment for making false statements to investigators about his role in the leak: National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley. more.
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Some more crumbs to chew on.

US may use planes as substitute for troops in Iraq
Jamie Wilson in Washington
Monday November 28, 2005

The Bush administration is considering a plan to put America's awesome airpower at the disposal of Iraqi commanders, as a way of reducing the number of US troops on the ground. The plan is causing consternation among commanders in US air force, who say it could lead to increased civilian casualties and lead to airstrikes being used as means of settling old scores.

According to an article in the New Yorker magazine by Seymour Hersh, the possibility of using airpower as a substitute for American troops on the ground has caused unease in the military, with air force commanders objecting to the possibility that Iraqis will eventually be responsible for target selection.

"Will the Iraqis call in air strikes in order to snuff rivals, or other warlords, or to snuff members of your own sect and blame it on someone else?" a senior military planner told the magazine. "Will some Iraqis be targeting on behalf of al-Qaida, or the insurgency, or the Iranians?" More.

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Long duration US airpower in the region? Sounds like the plan.

Rumsfeld’≥ Al-Jazeera outburst
Sarah Baxter

THE Middle Eastern news network Al-Jazeera was accused by Donald Rumsfeld, the American defence secretary, of broadcasting vicious, inaccurate and inexcusable reports about the war in Iraq the day before President George W Bush met Tony Blair at the White House and apparently suggested bombing the station's headquarters.

Rumsfeld denounced the satellite television station at a Pentagon briefing on April 15, 2004 after Al-Jazeera had reported that America’≥ assault on the insurgent stronghold of Falluja was terrorising civilians. They are simply lying, Rumsfeld said.

It was on April 16 that Bush reportedly said during talks with Blair that he wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera’≥ offices in Doha, Qatar, although it is not known whether he was joking. More.

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You would think that in a country that values freedom of speech and freedom of the press, the deliberate targeting of reporters would be a major issue amongst reporters, wouldn't you?

And what is it with these republicans and their jokes?

"The bombing starts in 5 minutes." Ronald Reagan

"I hit the trifecta." George W. Bush

Who are we fighting for? Another question to be asked (and answered honestly!): why are we fighting in the Middle East, specifically Iraq? Our presence there is causing more problems than it is eliminating. If we were truly "fighting terrorism," we'd be focusing our attention on the areas of the world where Muslims "on the margins" are keeping things stirred up -- such as Chechnya, Kashmir, the Philippines, Palestine -- by trying to reduce grievances. Easier said, than done I know...but our imperial presence in the Persian Gulf has "boiled over" and unless the United States changes its course, things are only going to get worse.

Under the Cheney/Bush regime, United States' foreign policy is a failure.

Supreme Court Denies FBI Translator's Case

By TONI LOCY, Associated Press Writer

A former FBI translator failed Monday to persuade the Supreme Court to revive her lawsuit alleging she was fired for reporting possible wrongdoing by other linguists involved in counterterrorism investigations.

The high court also rebuffed a request by Sibel Edmonds and media groups to rule on whether an appellate court improperly held arguments in the case in secret without being asked to do so by either side.

"When courts are sealed, the public may suspect the worst and lose faith in their government simply because they are prohibited access," wrote lawyers for media groups, including The Associated Press.

Edmonds, 32, who was hired after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and fired in March 2002, argued that a trial court judge was wrong to accept the Justice Department's claim that allowing her lawsuit to go forward would threaten "state secrets," or national security.
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Looks like those "state secrets" will remain secret. Witholding evidence regarding 9/11 is tantamount to guilt.

Danny Schechter: 'War on the media: 'Don't bomb us''

[...]In our country, the Committee to Protect Journalists has played that role well with important documentation and action alerts. Each year, usually at a fancy hotel in New York, they also have a pricey fundraising dinner hosted by network anchors in tuxedos who give prestigious awards to gutsy journalists and freedom of the press advocates. All the big media companies buy tables and pat themselves on the back for upholding the first amendment. They make videos honoring the courage of media messengers. Unfortunately, those videos and their stories rarely get on the air in their networks. In my book The More You Watch, The Less You Know, I derided the annual feel-good affair as "human rights for a night."

Why aren't these companies speaking out when other media organizations like Al Jazeera are threatened and attacked? What are they doing to demand independent inquiries into the killings of journalists and media staff? The toll in Iraq now stands at 93, and the Reuters bureau chief in Baghdad says the US military poses a bigger threat to newsgathering than the insurgents. (Reuters has bravely challenged the Pentagon to tell the truth!)

And where is the ongoing investigation of the recently leaked information about President Bush's alleged desire to bomb Al Jazeera headquarters in Qatar? Al Jazeera offices had been attacked before in Afghanistan and Baghdad. One of their journalists has been killed and others jailed. Their staff and some media groups have protested but many media outlets are not following up or expressing outrage. More.

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No shortage of reportage considering a holiday weekend...

#51 - Sibel Edmonds must be given a forum to tell her story, and protection from Federal Prosecution for violating a gag order. Perhaps Congressional Democrats can give her a hearing...

Hello, anybody hear anything but silence?

From: Lew Rockwell

The Grave Threat Is the Bush Administration
by Paul Craig Roberts

On November 27 Walter Pincus reported in the Washington Post that the Pentagon is expanding its domestic surveillance activity and that all sorts of proposals are afoot to allow military agencies to spy on law-abiding Americans and to build secret dossiers on citizens. The demand for police state powers is said to be necessary in order to fight the "war on terror."

Considering the drastic gestapo-type activities for which Washington is clamoring, a person would think that America is being overwhelmed by terrorist attacks. Yet, despite an aggressive and brutal war that Bush has been waging in Iraq for going on three years, terrorist attacks in America are even more rare than an honest politician. There has not been a terror attack since September 11, 2001, more than four years ago!

The Bush administration's hype about terrorism serves no purpose other than to build a police state that is far more dangerous to Americans than terrorists.

Ever since the "war on terror" was initiated by the Bush administration, the US has been holding large numbers of "detainees." By chance or the laws of probability, a few of these people might fit some definition of "terrorist." The vast majority, however, are innocents picked up in the equivalent of Stalin-era KGB street sweeps. Many are hapless people sold by warlords to the US in order to receive cash awards for turning in "terrorists."

Despite the large number of alleged "terrorists" or "enemy combatants" that are being held, the Bush administration simply hasn’¥ a shred of evidence with which to bring "detainees" to trial. If truth be known, the "detainees" are merely props for Bush's hype about the "terrorist threat." The "detainees" were arrested in order to make Americans feel safe and at ease with the police state.

A police state has to catch enemies in order to keep the people frightened and appreciative of the watchful eye of the police state. Now that the Padilla case has evaporated, the Bush administration has come up with a replacement. An American student of Arab descent, who was studying at a Saudi Arabian university, has been indicted by a federal grand jury for conspiracy to assassinate President Bush. The indictment rests on the confession wrung out of the young man by torture in a Saudi prison.

What kind of a country have we become when we put a citizen on trial on the basis of a confession obtained under torture by a foreign government? Is the case against this student anything other than an attempt to enlist the sympathy factor for Bush in order to repair his standing in the polls?

Americans need to understand that a police state has to produce results in order to justify its budget and its powers. It doesn’¥ really care who it catches. Stalin's police state caught the wife of Stalin's foreign minister in one of its street sweeps.

The Bush administration justifies torture and threatens to veto congressional attempts to restrain its use. The Bush administration justifies indefinite detention of American citizens without charges. It asserts the power of indefinite detention based on its subjective judgment about who is a threat. An American government that preaches "freedom and democracy" to the world claims the powers of tyrants as its own.

Americans need to wake up. The only danger to Americans in Iraq is the one Bush created by invading the country. The grave threat that Americans face is the Bush administration's police state mentality.

November 28, 2005
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Roberts repeats my own theory about bushco's need for torture. It is to assure us that everything in their power is being done to protect us, though any sentient human being can see it is part and parcel of the overall lie of terrorism. But it does keep the masses under control. Mind conditioning at it's finest!

Robert 53, I won't be holding my breath for that.

Gimme an Rx! Cheerleaders Pep Up Drug Sales
By STEPHANIE SAUL
Published: November 28, 2005

As an ambitious college student, Cassie Napier had all the right moves - flips, tumbles, an ever-flashing America's sweetheart smile - to prepare for her job after graduation. She became a drug saleswoman. More.

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Sex! Drugs! & Corporate Marketing!

Ya know that straw man argument of either fighting them over there, or fighting them here, is a load of BS put forth by trolls with no mind for critical thinking. First let's take logistics, where are they going to get the explosives? Are we going to give them 240,000 tons of RDX to use here? Are we going to give them the cover of the population? Wouldn't that make white boys driving pickup trucks potential suicide bombers? Plus these men and women that blow themselves up for a cause are dedicated to their beliefs? IN america? Ha Ha!! unless they threaten to turn off the cable and postpone the super bowl none of the yahoos in the US are going to be upset, well if they stop making that crap called bud lite too. So the argument that we fight them there or here, personally I would like to fight them here, let's see who wins that one. I can imagine a middle eastern group starting a bombing campaign around the country and then see how many middle eastern men and women survive the backlash. No folks this war is a farce, like our current coward in chief, and his crowd. Unless the population gets some balls we are stuck with these clowns for another three years, and just imagine what they can do in that time. Fascism is coming so get ready to enjoy your new lifestyle. Oh yeh, you won't have to worry about job security either, you will be in uniform. Lucky guys.

The Reason Bush Is Pushing For Syria's Invasion

Why Would Arabs Blow Their Own Pipelines?

The Pipelines Go To Turkey, Lebanon, and the Persian Gulf

This Is the New Pipeline Israel Wants

The Mossad has been busy blowing every pipeline, except the one that goes west, from Mosul to Israel. This has caused gas to go from $1.75 to $3.00 at the pumps, and Bush sees an Israeli pipeline as the answer.

Pipeline Must Go Through Syria

Today, there are six 24" lines going to the pumping stations at Haditha (major hydro-electric dam for power). They cross over the Euphrates, into Syria, and onto the refineries at Tripoli. The smart route, is to junction off this major line, and go through Syria, and onto Haifa, Israel. This is what Operation Matador is all about.
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Check out the maps. Those terrorists REALLY need to go back to terrorist school, they keep blowing up everything except the one thing that would hurt Israel!

Glad you all were not in charge in 1861. Glad you all are not in charge now. While I would agree that if the adm violated law, should pay for it, but you all are so hung up, that I really have question the sanity in here.

Question, If Ms Plame sent hubby on adm witch hunt, and the press said that it was VP chenny who sent him, WRONG, does not the adm have any right to defend itself? Apparently Not. The way I see, Plame outed herself by jumping into a hot-topic political foray.

And now we have witness talking with them &*^$$ lawyers. After first GJ, all frizgerald could up with is a perjury (state of mind) charge, now there is a GOTCHA you Bush-Lied gang can be proud of, the pissing away of tax dollars.

#57: No folks this war is a farce

Yeah, tell that to OBL (in his cave) or Saddam (in his cell).
150,000 troops in Iraq, I suppose is a mirage.
2000 dead aint no mirage. 150,000 Iraqi, well that is purportedly a myth, but will surprise you all in 06.
Wake up gang, OBL is coming to a theater near you! (But dont worry, Bushie will keep you safe.)

Brent Scowcroft Talks Turkey
Sibel Edmonds Fights Fascism
By John Stanton

The Sibel Edmonds v. Department of Justice saga continues as the year 2005 draws to a close. The only breaking news to come from the ongoing drama is the implication, published in Vanity Fair, that Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House of US Representatives, was the recipient of campaign contributions and assorted bribes from the Turkish-American community. That another US politician is on the take comes as no surprise. But more on that later. Sibel's story may have quietly died from the suffocating oppression of the US government had it not been for very recent revelations that the US sanctions and operates interrogation/torture facilities in Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's and Vice President Dick Cheney's New Europe (Poland, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.). While the buzz is all around the Plame-Wilson-Libby-Woodward-Rove-Hadley affair, and the lies that got the US into Iraq again, the real news is that military and non-military torture chambers stretching from Mexico to Asia have become standard operating procedure for the US. Further, the response of official Washington to the torture expose was not disgust, but a call to prosecute the whistleblower that leaked the awful news.

Within the remarkable public revelation from the Washington Post and Human Rights Watch, is the imprimatur of Rumsfeld and Cheney the two crusty Nixon Administration buddies and perhaps the most ruthless and dangerous Americans ever to hold office in the corporate/government world. They and their disciples share the view that conduct unbecoming does not exist. No law, no boundary, no moral code, no amount of lives or an outdated parchments like the US Constitution and Bill of Rights will be a barrier as they push forward their foreign and domestic agenda for some of the US population, Turkey and Israel. They hide behind the veil of the national security of the United States of America and label Top Secret/Special Compartmentalized Information the data that would implicate them, not save a US soldier in a Humvee, or they slap a State's Secret order on the likes of Sibel Edmonds mainly to protect balance sheets and business deals.

Me Ne Frego!

There is a name for this kind of government-corporation and the society it creates and it is Fascism, pure and simple. There just isn't any other way to describe people like Rumsfeld or Cheney. To that we must add the name Brent Scowcroft. US. Wikipedia reports that fascism's appearance in Italy in the 1920's (rooted in the term fascio from the 1800's) marked a new political and economic system that combined corporatism and nationalism in a state designed to bind all classes together under a capitalist system. Dissent was discouraged, political discourse of the time was highly inflammatory, and the society overly militaristic. Under Mussolini's dictatorship, from roughly 1925-1945, the effectiveness of its parliamentary system was virtually abolished though its forms were publicly preserved. The opposition was ferried to remote islands far from Italy proper where they would be tortured and sometimes killed. Mussolini was an active proponent of preemption. In 1923, he bombed Corfu and later established a puppet regime in Albania (according to the FBI in 2003, the Albanian Mafia is the most feared) .

Rumsfeld and Cheney have been able to push their fascist doctrine into mainstream America and into every decision making element in the US government. Their spokesman and head buffoon is George Bush II, who recently stated on his trip to Asia that criticism of his War in Iraq was irresponsible and unpatriotic, and is also on the record saying, "We do not torture." One sure sign of fascism is when the elected chief speaks to his minions almost entirely from the safe confines of a US military base. These strangely American fascists have adopted the motto of the Mussolini's Black Shirts who were the enforcement arm of his government.. Me Ne Frego, or I do not give a damn, they say as they went about brutalizing dissenters, union bosses, journalists, et al. It's the kind of attitude that produces, “freedom is messy”, “bring ‘em on” and “people are fungible."


Italian Fascism was based on state control of financial/commercial interests and public thought. American Fascism has done the reverse, outsourcing its mandate, protecting and defending the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, to corporations and powerful ideological domestic and foreign interests. These groups make the key decisions on US domestic and foreign policy. The actors in the stage production called the three branches of US government give the public audience a sense that they are somehow involved in staging the production.

Fascists don’¥ see a distinction between legitimate and semi-legitimate organizations. Front companies, informants, pundits, mafias, consultants, retired generals, drug dealers and junkies, arms traders, spies, assassins, associations, politicians, lobbyists, judges are all just tools to advance the national and foreign interests.

It's this kind of madness that Sibel Edmonds and those like her are fighting against. They are trying smash the mirrors and blow away the smoke that clouds the minds of so many who refuse to acknowledge that the US is rapidly becoming a reflection of Benito Mussolini's Fascist Italy. More.

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Sorry for the long post. Read the rest of the article, though.

The Neoevans Dinner

I mentioned in a previous post that our neocon evangelical relatives invited us and the neocon guests for dinner. As we sat around the table talking, I brought up three areas for discussion. I said that the war in Iraq is really a crusade. Christians have for years never forgot the defeats that Muslims inflicted upon the Christians in the early crusades. Christians will do anything not to lose another crusade. The second area was my prediction that there will not be a 2008 election. When I said these words, the words brought a shit-eating grin on the face of my brother-in-law. Being a Bush lover the words made his day. I mentioned a third area and the name, Frosty Wooldridge and his writings on immigration. I was bombarded with questions on who is Frosty Wooldridge.

The brother-in-law does not think much about anyone unless the name is Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Hannity. He does not think too much about someone whose name is Frosty Wooldridge. I also said that he was on the George Noory show, Coast to Coast. His reply was no wonder, as if George Noory is not important. George Noory has a good following of listeners.

After dinner my sister-in-law and I talked and she said that she was concerned about her grandchildren. She is concerned about her grandchildren. She should be concerned about her grandchildren with a low life in the WH who displays a depraved indifference toward human life. How does a person get through to people who have dense brains; who are selfish; and who worship the bushgod.

My neocon evangelical relatives are part of the problem with present America and her future. Their minds are so filled with crap that they now have shit for brains.

Our neocon guests left this morning. I try not to say much so that I do not stress myself out. Controlling stress is important in life and for a person's health. How does a person go through the Bush maniacal existence and avoid stress?

I commend Patrick Fitzgerald on his probes but any indictment short of Bush will not make me happy.

America is fighting in iraq to kill human beings.

Only in America can a failed FEMA director become a consultant on disasters. What a country?

David:

I hope this idea was not already proposed above (and that you might even read this):

If Fitz can show that Rove and his atty were disseminating "atty-client" confidential info to a reporter THEN THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT BOND NO LONGER EXISTS, and Luskin could very well wind up in front of this second grand jury testifying against Rove.

If someone else above posted this idea already, sorry.

Political Cover, (Something New in Iraq)

Vast majority of violence in Iraq is caused by Saddam's Sunnies long courted by Iraq gov to cease insurgency and join the political process. Sunnie now seem willing, but need political cover, some concession that they can claim as positive for all their dead, in justification.

Come On Gang, what concession:

Time table withdraw, so they can claim, it was their pressure that FREED IRAQ from the invaders.

US Adm, Dem opposition, Iraqi Gov, Hakim Shite political leader, Aylatollah Ali-Sistanie, and NOW the iraqi insurgence, ALL chorus that call the a US withdraw that is conditioned by the Adm upon reduction of violence. So it seems gang, that the deal, US withdraw and Isurgency capitulation is in the offing. This is great news for the Bush STAY-THE-COURSE plan, in that, its working!!!! President Bush is a true Hero, Lets all celebrate in these good changes. Hip Hip ...

David,

I noticed Brown's new business venture is Disaster "preparedness" not Disaster "response"
consulting. Either way, I will not be utilizing his services.

"I commend Patrick Fitzgerald on his probes but any indictment short of Bush will not make me happy."

You sound like Sidney Portea in the Heat of Night, I can take that fat cat off his hill!!!

This is truly a pointed and revealing comment, in that, a cornnut would not be happy until a US president is indicted. SO SAD and an outrage. No doubt also hope we lose in Iraq, so you all can get off in your sick shit.

"Who are we fighting for?"

You chicken little- candy asses aren't fighting for anyone!!! If we had a draft, you candy asses would be the first ones to flee to Canada!!! If an intruder broke into your home and threatened to kill your spouse, you would say go ahead just don't hurt me!!!!! Yellow is your favorite color(not blue). FREAKS!!!

baf, please come break into my home and experience the welcome you will receive from my "candy ass!!"

Looks like Cindy Sheenan is waiting for all you lefties to show up at her book signing in Crawford Texas. Now come on, show some support and go get her book. She looks awfully depressed sitting there all alone with no one paying any attention to her.

And speaking of candy asses who like to send our children into the meat grinder while deftly avoiding the same fate, lookee what I found!

From Daily KOS:

"The Little Piggies Who Tell You To Support Our Troops.
by johninwisconsin
Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 01:17:30 PM PDT
Linked by WRH

REPUBLICANS (and these are the guys sending people to
war):

Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the
last by marriage.
Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
Tom Delay: did not serve.
Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bill Frist: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Trent Lott: did not serve.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to
teach business.
Jeb Bush: did not serve.
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man
who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight
instructor.
George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year
National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could
campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate..
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a
non- combat role making movies.
B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting
was over in Korea.
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star,
Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying
Cross.
Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
John M. McHugh: did not serve.
JC Watts: did not serve.
Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem, " although
continued in NFL for 8 years as quarterback.
Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National
Guard.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
John Engler: did not serve.
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

PUNDITS and PREACHERS:

Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal
cyst.')
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Michael Savage: did not serve.

George Will: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Bennett: did not serve.
Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
John Wayne: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
Ralph Reed: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.
Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things
that don't shoot back.)
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I know there are dems on the list, but they aren't in charge of this particular war for oil pipelines and banks.

Saladin

First of all, I don't break into peoples homes-that's a lefty trate. Second, you are a little confusing- do you supprt violence? I thought you peaceniks were anti-violence, do you own a gun? Is it do as I say not as I do, like most lefty spewage?

First of all, I don't break into peoples homes-that's a lefty trate. - Baf

Of course, that's so low class. We steal money the old fashioned way. We write the legislation.

did not serve

Ted Nugent, charlie Daniels, Ralph Reed, Michael Medved, blah blah blah. Who cares!!! You have way to much time on your hands Saladin. You should try getting a job and becoming a productive citizen.

"We steal money the old fashioned way"

Ya it's called working-you should try it sometime, who knows you might make enough to buy Cindy Sheenans book.

"We write the legislation"

It sucks not having any power doesn't it? I guess breaking into peolpes homes is all you are left with.

The leak that revealed Bush's deep obsession with al-Jazeera

The US president planned to bomb the Qatar-based channel - that was the remarkable claim made in a top-secret memo. Why is the world's most powerful man so worried about a TV station?

Maybe Bush is worried about the pending March '06 launch of the English language version of al-Jazeera satellite television. After the launch, it'll be more difficult for the busheviks to keep people in the dark and covered with their "version" of shit. Just a thought.

#70

That list points out the blatant hypocrisy of
"fake patriot" republicans and conservatives.

Sure they support going to war as long as they or their children dont have to fight in it, and as long as they dont have to pay for it.

DMR sees light at the end of the tunnel, but he doesn't realize it's a railroad tunnel.

See you on the other side (another "Obscurity File" reference), Ivory Bill Woodpecker

Ya it's called working-you should try it sometime, who knows you might make enough to buy Cindy Sheenans book. - Baf

You are a joke. Working? That's for peasants.

Hi everybody. I am willing to admit , for the time being at least, that I am looking forward to two things regarding President Bush.

( 1 ) When he talks this week. Always funny to hear him focus, persistently, on things that matter to him. Always good to hear a person in need of psycho-
logical counseling put the world to rights.

( 2 ) President Bush's State Of The
Union speech 200 6 .

Here's a preview ( smile )

" Members of Congress, distinguished guests, AS WE SET FORTH ON THIS LONG
ROAD TO FREEDOM I WANT THE U.S. MILITARY SERVICEMEMBERS TO KNOW ONE THING
THEY ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF . THEY ARE GETTING SWINDLED. THEY ARE GETTING TAKEN TO THE CLEANERS AND BETRAYED BY ME AND MY STAFF AND THE FOLKS AT THE PENTAGON, TOO. (applause) THAT'S THE KIND OF DISREGARD FOR THE DIGNITY OF YOUNG AMERICAN LIVES THAT MADE THIS COUNTRY THE GREAT COUNTRY THAT IT IS TODAY AND WILL BE TOMORROW AND THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW .
MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS AMERICA .

THANK YOU AND GOODNIGHT. "

But I am just guessing.

Anderson Petition

www.operationtruth.com

Apologies as I'm sure this has been asked many times -- but can you explain the usage and origin of the term "insurgency" when it seems increasingly clear that these violent acts are not undertaken by foreign terrorists, but rather are 90% Iraqi nationals?

Isn't "insurgency" just spin? From a different perspective, might these people be the "resistance"?

another crooked repug bites the dust

Seymour Hersh with Blitzer

Alan @ #82 re: 8-term Republican and soon to be ex-representative Cunningham. And he isn't even one of the dozens of congressman (rumors say up to 60 in number) linked to taking money from Abramoff.

Happy, may be I be of Help.

Towell-Heads

That works for me

78 "In the next world, you're on your own".

DMR sees light at the end of the tunnel, but he doesn't realize it's a railroad tunnel.
See you on the other side (another "Obscurity File" reference), Ivory Bill Woodpecker

Ivory, perhaps it railroad built by coalition money. I think you are the kind, like most in here, you are blinded by hate, want Bush impeach, want us to lose in Iraq, to vindicate yourselves.

But you, and all of you should get a big heads up here, after taking down Saddam, preliminary Gov, Constitution, and in a few days a duly elected parliment. Now I know that progress just pisses you nay-sayer off, but I am proud of that good work there.

Then we look at the military side, and say taking down Saddam in 3 week was pretty damn good, was it not, though your kind used the term "stuck in the mud", but were quickly muzzled when our tanks rolled into Baghdad.

Then, the saddam loyalist (the insurgency, and not the foreign terrorist) dropped their uniform and fought on. And in the presence of this insurgency and the terrorist attack, and Army is built up from the ground, and that to is a major accomplishment.

With the Adm, Dem opposition, Tallabina, Hakim, Sistannie and even the INSURGENCY call for US withdrawal, it seems that is in the cards with a draw down.

The more I keep looking at it, the more it is a DONE DEAL, and you all rant and rave how Bushie Lied, but in the end, and in reflection, Bush's tough stand will be proven correct, and the entire world will be a better place.

When I see the Russians pressuring Iran, the UN pressuring Syria, the US kicking tail in Iraq, it seems that Militant Islam's days are numbered.
I know it is difficult to see any success at all when blinded by hate, but if you can take a step back, and look at LONG-TERM trends, I think you must reflect as say it is a done deal.

Now as to the cost of 2000 dead and 15000 injured, sure there can be argument that that was to high a price to pay. BUT DAMN IT, WE ARE AMERICAN and will not coward in our cave awaiting the next terror attack. I am proud of Bush'es resolve TO STAY THE COURSE, because in reality, we had no other choice. And guess, Bush wont pull out in levels that jeopardize that victory and long term success in making democractic in roads in the trouble region. No, you guys are full of hate, as you need only read the posts in here and it come through loud and clear, though misguided in large number by a head cornnut making a name.

I wish you all would spend your time on something constructive rather than back-slapping each other in your slander and disrespect for the USA presidency. It seems there are better things for you all to do. Move on, Bush won in 04 and there is nothing you can do about that. Why dont you all grab and rifle and patrol the southern borders, that is where the USA needs some help, or would doing something to protect the USA be to distasteful for you all anti-adm traitors?

What is all the fuss about? We are in a minor little skirmish with hardly any causalities. The economy is great. People can sit at their computers and fire insults at each other. Gas prices are lower than they should be. We have more food than we can eat. We have an all volunteer military, with more volunteering every day protecting us. Saddam is on trial for using his WMD's to kill thousands of people at once. We have patriots and traitors here at home just like always. Everything is going along as it always has. We have people who like the President and those who don't. We have people here at home buying their drugs so the money can be used to finance the terrorists. There is absolutely nothing new about today than there ever has been in any other part of history. Everything is going great, so quit bitching in order to make yourselves feel better about your insignificant little existence. Just sit back and enjoy this glorious time we live in. Anyone who happens to get killed in war or just die of old age, don't worry, when your are dead, you won't know it anyway.

Alan, The one-line lede of that story says a lot about the nauseating hypocrisy of these "conservative" slimeballs:

" . . . admitting he took $2.4 million in bribes to steer defense contracts to conspirators."

The cons quack like the Aflac duck about "tax cuts," then go to any length to ensure that they and their slimey pals can nuzzle up to the taxpayer tit and suck for all they're worth.

That's supply-side economics, baby! You supply, we demand!

Looks like it's going to be a blue Christmas for the lefty hate America crowd. The economy is strong and getting stronger with retail sales climbing. Damn, looks like Bush's tax cut is working!!!

#47 Robert...Thanks for that
# Robert How many journalist have been killed. I believe it is all ready more than any other war. Journalist seem to be a target.

I was able to get a question through to David on Diane Rehm this morning about Phase II at the end of the program. David I hoped this sparked you just a little to turn the spotlight on that investigation for a while again. Too often it seems journalist let this administration direct the spotlight and so many will be writing about the same topic...instead of investigating or following up on stories that we need to be updated about. PHASE II...PHASE II...

I believe this is a very critical investigation.

I encourage others to call and email all radio programs and c span(they are very receptive to program ideas)........asking the questions that we are not hearing journalist ask about investigations, scandals etc.

WE NEED TO KEEP EXPOSING THESE COMPULSIVE LIARS AND SOCIO PATHS TO THE SUN LIGHT.

Does anyone else think the time is coming for David Wurmser and Fleitz to be called out on the carpet by Fitzgerald? Is it true that Wurmser and John Hannah have been singing to Fitzgerald?

50,000,000 liberated from tyranny,
democratization of oppressed peoples,
World unites in the global war on terror
Militant Islam freed from centuries of social stagnations.
Disadvantaged GAP countries connecting with the CORE for improved world wide prosperity.
USA homeland protected for years by homeland defense.

And all you cornnuts have to say is "Bush-Lied".
You all have so little vision, and pathetically waste you time on a game long lost in 04.

Sad ..... Really Sad .......

ya gotta love the bushbots! All encompassing, stereo typing statements based on nothing more than the fact that we post on a left leaning blog. You don't even have to answer them, they do a great job of sounding idiotic on their own!

happy 81

Isn't "insurgency" just spin? From a different perspective, might these people be the
"resistance"?

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Naahh,
They are over 90% foreign terrorists just out to kill anyone they can get close enough to kill.

They don't care who it is as long as they can kill them.

They have no purpose in mind, just kill people at random.

But not to Worry, mighty mouse is here!! to preach the good and noble view of the year, and lift you all out of your errants ways. Yes you may worship me!

Robert Schwartz: "#51 - Sibel Edmonds must be given a forum to tell her story, and protection from Federal Prosecution for violating a gag order. Perhaps Congressional Democrats can give her a hearing..."

Although there are some exceptional individuals, I'm not counting on Congressional Dems as a whole to show much leadership on anything. But I am hopeful that Edmonds will drop some nice leads for some enterprising investigative reporter to follow, without violating the letter of the Ashcroft gag order.

Any enterprising investigative reporters left out there?

#43 via #35

"Capt, while I agree with your assessment of Bush's legacy, you are wrong about Carter."

That is the assement of the author of the piece I linked? Juan Cole? Informed Comment.

I would be willing to share my opinion of Carter but have not done so. The point is historians are not very kind to Carter. I believe that is an accurate statement.

capt

And let's not forget the double standard! The America hating liberals will all go to Canada in the face of a draft, and that is a BAAADDD thing! But the child murdering neocons can avoid service, and make sure their children do to, and it's just blah, blah blah!

Baf, dont get too excited, interest rates are raising, inflation is picking up, and the war is costing allot creating deficits.

But you know, Reagan spent 6 trillion and took down the soviets. It is and has been the US Tax payer that civilizes the world, but there is nothing new in that. And in looking back, East Europe, Russia and central Asia are now free and the chinese are becoming the biggest capitalist. Yet, I bet all the cornnuts were there in Germany protesting deploying of tatical Pershing Nukes. Every generating has its hero's eg Bush, and its nay-saying traitors, the cornnuts.

I hope the economy will remain strong, but I betting of the weak dollar to kick in in mid 06, so fans BUY GOLD!!! that is the hot tip.

Carter's legacy, now there is conflict of terms.

Carter's legacy: 18% interest rates and
DEATH TO AMERICA!!!!!!

Saladin 93
says:
stereo typing statements based on nothing more than the fact that we post on a left leaning
blog.

I think you actually meant to say,

we post on a Radical left wing lunatic blog?

Your apology is accepted for your mis-statement.

Sibel Edmonds is gagged by our "state secrets" just as the UK and Blair have gagged the new info re: bombing Al Jazeera.

Check out

http://www.aljazeera.com

Versus

http://english.aljazeera.net

They are not the same.

capt

Nixon: I am not a crook
Carter: Death to America
Reagan: Tear Down this Wall
Bush: Read my lips
Clinton: I did not have sex with that woman
Bush: stand-down stand-up

it's just blah, blah blah!

Saladin, its baaa baaa baaa, for you, eieio

I would hardly describe David as "radical." Since I myself am NOT a liberal, that is one stereo type you can banish right now. David's blog is one of the few left that is truly open to any and all comments, and that is what I appreciate about him, even though I disagree with much of his politics and opinions, I highly value his dedication to free speech, and on his dime no less. I have yet to see even one bushbot express thanks for this forum. They are nothing but rude and obnoxious, without the grace to even be thankful for what must strike them as a small thing. That is the reason I generally ignore them. I don't associate with rude people in my private life, and I certainly won't abuse David's good will towards all of us to do it here.

93 "Bushbots?" Plural? Seems odd that a handful of "individuals" are here at precisely the same time, making identical idiotic spelling and grammatical errors, and oh, let's not forget "arguments". What are the odds of that? And across gender lines as well? Too thick to realize they are wallowing in self ridicule -

Just lay low, folks, and pretend you don't notice, and eventually they will run off to wipe their boogers elsewhere.

Supreme Court rejects FBI linguist's appeal

By James Vicini

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court let stand on Monday the dismissal of a lawsuit by a former FBI linguist who said she had been fired in 2002 for speaking out about possible security breaches, misconduct and incompetent translation work.

Without any comment, the justices rejected an appeal by Sibel Edmonds, who worked as a contract linguist at the FBI's Washington field office from shortly after the September 11, 2001, attacks until her dismissal the following March.

Edmonds had reported to FBI management her concerns about the quality of the translations, accusing fellow translators of willful misconduct and gross incompetence. She also accused a co-worker of possible espionage.

A specialist in Middle Eastern languages, she said that numerous communications had been left untranslated or had been mistranslated.

The FBI has said that Edmonds was disruptive and that her allegations were not credible.

In July 2002, she sued the FBI, the U.S. Justice Department and various high-level officials in challenging her dismissal.

U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton dismissed the case after then-Attorney General John Ashcroft invoked the rarely used "state secrets privilege."

He warned that further disclosure of the duties of Edmonds and other translators could cause "serious damage to the national security interests of the United States."

Walton ruled that secret declarations from Ashcroft and a top FBI official demonstrated that the lawsuit could reveal classified information about intelligence-gathering methods and could disrupt diplomatic relations with foreign governments.

A U.S. appeals court, in a three-paragraph judgment, upheld the dismissal.

"This case was never about me; it was about the FBI's attempt to cover up wrongdoing and mismanagement," Edmonds said in a statement issued after the high court rejected her appeal.

"I am disheartened that the legal system has failed to hold the FBI accountable for its actions, but I will continue to press Congress to fully investigate security breaches within the Bureau," she said.

In appealing to the Supreme Court, attorneys for Edmonds described her as a whistle blower. They said the justices should clarify the proper scope and application of the state secrets privilege.

*****end of clip*****

Sibel has said that the 911 attacks were no surprise. Hastert is a bag man, and there are crooks running our government. This just goes to show there are crooks in the judicial system that will protect the crooks in high offices.

capt

Why the trools keep up the pace of bashing us on this blog is