Sounds like Davids afraid Bush will make a come back!!

cool - pajama party action - ha. an even greater opportunity to keep the subject of 911 uncomfortably in everyone's face! ha.

congress had the same intelligence that bush let them have

Mr. David Corn,

Good post!

"It makes you wonder about the comprehension skills of the people at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. "

Frankly I have gotten beyond wondering some time ago. It is not a problem with comprehension as much as an inability to face facts.

Thanks again for all of your work.

Good luck tomorrow, I hope the PJ media things takes off like a rocket.

Kirk

Why haven't we seen the routine video surveillance tapes of ANY of the passengers alleged to have boarded the ill-fated 9/11 flights at Boston's Logan, Newark's Liberty and Washington's Dulles international airports?

Well, the answer may very well lie in Holland. You see, security at some if not all of these airport gates of 9/11 was in the hands of an American minimum-wage subsidiary of a Dutch corporation called ICTS-International. What is most remarkable about this arrangement is that the Dutch corporation ICTS-International was, as of 9/11, Dutch in name only. An early 2003 check of its web-site showed a Board of Directors consisting entirely of nationals of the Zionist state with the single exception of the Comptroller, who apparently was the nominal Dutchman.

But that's not the kicker. Hours before the House version of the first Patriot Act went to a vote, "technical corrections" were inserted into the body of the legislation whereby foreign security companies such as ICTS-International would be immune from lawsuits related to the events of 9/11. Talk about not being available for deposition! This "Patriot" act legislative sleight of hand occurred before the inception of the 9/11 Commission when Fearless Leader George W. Bush was still resisting the very IDEA of an investigation into 9/11. Hence, in the face of an institutional cover-up, citizens were denied the possibility of a discovery process which is normally afforded to litigants. Without such discovery process, ICTS-International would never be compelled by a court of law to give testimony and show evidence related to the missing airport video surveillance tapes of 9/11 or any other aspect of security measures in place on 9/11.

But there are those who will insist that they have seen on television video surveillance tapes of the hijackers of 9/11 and are satisfied with the official explanation of what happened on that fateful day.

However, these people are confused by the tape repeatedly shown on TV of two of the alleged hijackers (Mohammad Atta being one of them) passing through a security checkpoint at Portland Maine International Airport to take a connecting flight to Boston on the morning of 11 September 2001.

This Portland tape has no timestamp, which makes it suspect. Also, even IF the tape were genuine, it does not place either of the two young Arabs at Logan International Airport.

Nearly all Americans were lulled into believing that the Portland, Maine tape was sufficient proof when it was not. People were mesmerized by the repeated showing of this tape on TV and in their emotional state did not realize exactly what they were looking at and what they weren't looking at.

Q: Could this be too nuanced a point for Bush and his spinners?

A: In words of one syllable: YES

We were neo-conned once, and the busheviks intend to repeat history. The busheviks will spin 'til they fall.

My head was spinning when I read that Judy Miller was the keynote speaker.
And then I came to the comment section and what do I read in the first comment? OMG baf. You are just laughable. Do you honestly think writing something makes it true?

Bush special envoy embroiled in controversy over Iraq debt

Consortium plans to cash in as Baker asks countries to end ?200bn burden

Naomi Klein
Wednesday October 13, 2004
The Guardian

President Bush's special envoy, James Baker, who has been trying to persuade the world to forgive Iraq's crushing debts, is simultaneously working for a commercial concern that is trying to recover money from Iraq, according to confidential documents.

Mr Baker's Carlyle Group is in a consortium secretly proposing to try to collect $27bn (?15bn) on behalf of Kuwait, one of Iraq's biggest creditors, by using high-level political influence. It claims Mr Baker will not benefit personally, but the consortium could make millions in fees, retainers and commission as a result.

Other countries, including Britain, have been urged by Mr Baker to relieve the new Iraq regime of its $200bn debt burden. Iraq owes Britain approximately $1bn.

One international lawyer described the consortium's scheme as "influence peddling of the crassest kind".

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Lest we forget about the direct connection to Carlyle Group.

This is the same James Baker III that represents the Saudi royal family being sued by the surviving families of the 911 WTC attacks.

Same James Baker III that represented Bush in Bush v. Gore.

The war wagon is a for profit vehicle driven by greed. One question: Big oil has been called to answer for the obscene amount of profit they are making why not the $5 billion the Carlyle Group is making? How about the weapons and military goods industry? (see location Houston)

Many questions but like an onion there are many layers and many more nefarious and illegal secrets.

Like un-ringing a bell you cannot un-connect the dots.

If justice still matters to the character of the American people and American corporations Bush and his crew are toast in so many ways it is not even funny.

Time will tell.

capt

Just what we need, another forum for Judith Miller...

Bush is losing it. He has isolated himself even more than Nixon ever did:

www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm

I cannot imagine why more rats are not fleeing the sinking ship...why more cabinet members, top aides, various under-secretaries, etc., are not heading for the exits. This administration has the smell of death all around it. I'd rather be working selling cigs and slurpees at a 7-11 in Fargo than to be work for this dying administration.

Bob in North Dakota

"The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments. " ~ Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 191

"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument." ~ William G. McAdoo (1863 - 1941)

"With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plea; but to tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments where they will certainly be lost. " ~ William Lloyd Garrison (1805 - 1879)

jeanne

Come on - get real! Rove is still in power, David was predicting he would be brought down. He predicted that Fitzpatrick would vindicate the war critics -wrong again. Tom Dealy is kicking the shit out of Ronnie Earle - according to this web site ( lobbists still pouring in money to support Tom Delay). All you have left is Alito which will be another big loss. David knows as does Gerald in previuos posts, that Bush's poll numbers can only go up. He was silent when the lib Dems and media were attacking him and now hes fighting back. Americans love a fighter and hate whiners like the libs.

Misled. Misled. The President did NoT bother to do what he said he would do.

For instance, on January 28, 2003 at the State of the Union speech / applause festival , President Bush said this :

" If war is forced upon us, we will fight with the full force and might of the United States military, and we will prevail . "

Full force and might ??????

Did not happen , and it is still not happening to this day (today is November 15, 2005 ) and that's really just the tip of the iceberg. I would type more, however , I am a campaigner for the petition-drive at www.warisaracket.org and that's how I will be spending some of my time in the immediate future.

www.warisaracket.org
Because Because Because

WAR IS a R A c K E T .

Anderson Petition

No, David, what is too nuanced for you or the rest of the Left to understand is that Bush has not been complaining about the resistance to the war. What he and the rest of us detest is the hypocrisy of his being called a liar when all the others, especially the Democrats, were saying the same thing.

Whether or not the rest acted upon it (and I think the argument that Congress authorized the right to go to war but didn't authorize the war itself is a specious argument at best) is irrelevant to this debate.

One can argue the merits of this war ad infinitum. What is indisputable, and what has been stated by at least three bipartisan, independent commissions, is that (1)there were no misrepresentations of the data and (2)there was no pressure on the intelligence agencies to provide evidence conducive to the start of the war.

What part of "no" do you people not understand? Is this all too logical and not emotional enough for you?

I wonder if bushco is really concerned about anything at all -

is 911 about to be exposed as a lie? are the niger uranium documents coming home to roost? will scooter pedo. libby reveal who's behind plame-gate? will the AIPAC spy scandal reveal more traitors?

the U.S. govt. has been waving their false flags a little too enthusiastically, and could conceivably collapse like a house of cards -

what would it take to get things back on track for them? another terrorist attack on U.S. soil, as spelled out by this GOP memo:
GOP memo touts new terror attack as way to reverse party's decline

and what would happen after that?
Ex-intel Official: Bush Admin Will Restrict Liberties After Next Terror Attack

so don't get too excited anticipating the fall of bushco...a dog is much more vicious when cornered

Americans love a fighter, including the one named Cindy Sheehan.

Have a good signing-up at www.warisa
racket.org

Game, set, match to Anderson Petition

Democrats were saying, as Commander (s) in Chief (s) , that the " full force and might of the United States military " would be used ???????? Hmmm , I must have been dozing during that part of it.

Please sign the petition at

www.warisaracket.org

W A R is a racket.

( it is also an early-era U2 album )
Anderson Petition

I think Dummypants is running so scared he is going to do something right. It might be a first.

None of those drunk on delusions of power ever let go of the delusions. I have a feeling the future will be just as crazy as the last few years. Stuff we cannot imagine from this point in time.

I hope I am completely wrong.

capt

capt

"drunk on delusion"

sounds like Teddy Kennedy -

My Fair Neocon

by Karen Kwiatkowski

You have to hand it to the neoconservative crowd. When the going gets tough, the lies get going.

Poddy writes in December’s issue of Commentary Magazine on a subject he knows well. Lies, damn lies, and more damn lies about Iraq. Poddy’s article has been helpfully released this month online, in part to ensure that George W. Bush won’t go wobbly on his own talking points. Podhoretz is verbose, sometimes rambling and often incoherent. But after a diligent and academic review, I believe I understand his message.

His message is this: The real liars are not the President, the Vice President, or Scooter Libby (innocent until proven guilty), but another set of culprits altogether.

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A timely piece with some poetry.

capt

I have a feeling the future will be just as crazy as the last few years. Stuff we cannot imagine from this point in time. - Capt.

Completely off all topics - Check out the ideas of Terence McKenna; ideas of the degree of novelty in time; Timewave Zero

Gotta admit, things are getting strange around here...

Jeanne, from the last thread. That whole "selection" fiasco was the main reason I didn't trust any of them. gore vanished, the dems did NOTHING to make sure the next election didn't end up like the 2000 election except some arm waving and empty laments. Now clinton's running around Jordan ranting about suicide bombers when it is obvious to anyone with eyesight that it was NOT a suicide bomber! I am so sick of all the lies I could just scream!! And now there's this:

Secrecy order in CIA leak case challenged by media

Mon Nov 14, 7:40 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A major U.S. media organization on Monday challenged efforts by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald to keep documents secret in the CIA leak case that involved the Bush administration.

Dow Jones & Co, which publishes The Wall Street Journal and other publications, filed court papers asking Judge Reggie Walton to deny a sweeping motion by Fitzgerald that would bar public disclosure of documents in the case.

The proposed protective order, which was agreed to by Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, would cover grand jury transcripts, witness statements and a wide range of other documents involved in the case. Any leaks could result in civil and criminal fines, the order warns.

"Dow Jones has a substantial interest in ensuring timely access to information of importance to its readers and the general public," Dow Jones said in its motion. "That interest is particularly strong in a case like this one, which concerns a matter of great national importance."
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I never had much faith in Fitzy to begin with, but WTF is this? Has he been hired by the right to create another cover-up? Is this investigation just a way to impede further investigations? Who can we possibly trust?

Gotta agree, Robert,

More than ever, it seems like everybody is just trying to grab up all they can (power, money, etc...) before some real shit his the fan in a big way.

Reminds me of a couple corporate entities I made a bunch of money for, just before they sold it to some other schmuck. Cooked books, shuffling of assests to inflate inventory values, small nips of dog-biscuit silencers for those who might know enough to blow the scheme...

Yeah...it feels a lot like that on a GLOBAL scale!

Now, off to work to make a crap-load of money for a "Not-for-Profit" Hospital...sheah, right!

-T

...but I gotta admit, some of those biscuits were kinda tasty, at the time!

(I feel kinda dirty, looking back)

saladin

jeanne would have you trust Saddam Hussien, she thinks he's a great guy who was in full cooperation with the UN inspectors.

#23,

WOW, I need to dig in to that. Looks very interesting.

I have often wondered if the follow quote assumed too much. After a quick skim of the linked site it brought to mind:

"This only is denied to God: the power to undo the past." ~ Agathon (448 BC - 400 BC), from Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics

Maybe not. Old ways of thinking seem to expire.

Thanks

capt

I guess barf thinks I'm an idiot. In case you missed it on the last thread, save what little synapse activity you have barf, I won't answer you.

" abf " at # 27 Please add your name to the petition at www.warisaracket.org This feeling inside, kinda funny, I know it's not much but it's the best that U can do..............
President Bush at the State of the Union speech / applause festival on
January 28, 2003

" If war is forced upon us, we will fight with the full force and might of the United States military, and we will prevail . "

Quick review of the years 2003 , 2004,
2005

A. Under direction by Commander in Chief Bush, US military fights, in Iraq,
with less than the full force and might of the US military. Day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day .........

B. People in the U.S.A. blame Saddam Hussein, Cindy Sheehan, the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, Senator McCain, Jesus Christ, Donald Rumsfeld, and Sheryl Crow for what happens in Iraq. Seldom does anyone point out that President Bush FAILED to do what he said he would do.

C . ( current, as of November 15, 2005 )

President Bush has STILL not lived up to the thing (s) he said / says.

Period.

War is a racket. Period.

www.warisaracket.org

Anderson Petition
Thanks " abf " YOU MADE MY JOB EASIER . YOU ALSO MADE MY
DAY !!!!!!!!!

Colin Powell, February 2001: "[Saddam] has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq."
Condoleeza Rice, July 2001: "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

George W Bush, March 2002: "F___ Saddam. we're taking him out."

The Downing Street Memo, July 2002:
There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.

[The Downing Street Memo for dummies] [Blair acknowledges memo is authentic]

Ministers were warned in July 2002 that Britain was committed to taking part in an American-
led invasion of Iraq and they had no choice but to find a way of making it legal. [Times]

The RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war ... By the end of August the raids had become a full air offensive. [Times]

They dropped precision-guided munitions on Saddam Hussein's major western air-defense facility, clearing the path for Special Forces helicopters that lay in wait in Jordan. Earlier attacks had been carried out against Iraqi command and control centers, radar detection systems, Revolutionary Guard units, communication centers and mobile air-defense systems. The Pentagon's goal was clear: Destroy Iraq's ability to resist. This was war. ... This was September 2002--a month before Congress had voted to give President Bush the authority he used to invade Iraq, two months before the United Nations brought the matter to a vote and more than six months before "shock and awe" officially began. [Democracy Now]
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What I want to know is, did any of the dems in congress know this was happening a month before they authorized the war? If not, why not? How can they possibly keep something like that a secret from half the congress? If they did know about it, why didn't they object?
Iraq WMD Lies:
The Words of Mass Deception
The Lie of the Century

#29
Unbelievable. So lame.

sali, maybe the fitz. investigation is designed to sweep all other investigations of plame-gate, (which leads to niger-gate, which leads to bushco-gate) under a protective umbrella, which would only serve to hide those involved from further scrutiny -

James, he's rounded up all the relevent evidence, now he wants to keep it secret. Sound familiar?

Once AGAIN President Bush/Republicans...

Please explain exactly what Sadaam Hussien had to do with the events of 9-11-01?

Once AGAIN President Bush/Republicans...

Please explain exactly what Sadaam Hussien had to do with the events of 9-11-01?

I don't know how anyone could call this spreading democracy.
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Exclusive: More than 13,000 being held by coalition in Iraqi prisons; Less than 2% have been convicted

Larisa Alexandrovna

As more and more Iraqis have been detained and released, the insurgency has intensified. The number detained has more than doubled in the last year and a half; the number of attacks has also more than doubled over the same period.

Recent documents leaked to RAW STORY reveal that as of Nov. 8, coalition forces in Iraq held 13,514 in Iraqi prisons. The documents also reveal the grim landscape of Iraq’≥ internment system, in which just two percent of those detained been convicted. A UN report has confirmed the basic figures.

A slide created by Detainee Operations at US Central Command (CENTCOM), provided to RAW STORY, reveals that 13,514 detainees are currently held inside coalition-run internment camps throughout Iraq. The figure represents a huge spike from March 2004 –†when just 5,673 were reported held, according to a source familiar with the documents....

It's no wonder the intelligence community has failed us -they are using unqualified idiots like Joe Wilson, the spook wanna be. That was a brillant move!!

A letter to WRH with some very astute points regarding the hotel blast in Jordan:

Four (4) top Palestinian officials were killed in the attacks, one of which was the head of Palestinian Military Intelligence (equivalent of the US DIA), Maj. Gen. Bashir Nafeh, who had escaped many Israeli assasination attempts on his life. The other 3 were Col Abed Allun, high-ranking Preventive Security forces official, Jihad Fatouh, the commercial attache at the Palestinian Embassy in Cairo, and Mosab Khorma, deputy Chairman of Cairo-Amman Bank in the Palestinian territories. Top targets for Israel, not Zarqawi.

The attacks happened on Nov 9 or 11/9. In Jordan (and most of the world) they write the day of the month and then the month, which makes it 9/11. So Jordan now has its own 9/11 attacks. How strange now that Jordan just announced they want to enact martial law legislation (like the US Patriot Act)!!

One purpose which may have been achieved is the popular reaction in Jordan. Prior to the attacks, over 90% of Jordanians supported the Iraqi Resistance against foreign occupation. Now many Jordanians are confused and not as supportive. Who stands to gain from an attack like that??

So to sum it up, top Palestinian officials are killed along with many innocent bystanders. No Israeli, American, or Jordanian officials were killed. Public opinion in Jordan is adveresly effected on Iraqis. Iraqis will find it harder to enter Jordan. Jordan will enact new martial law legislation. Who gains??? Isn't that the first question the investigators ask in a murder investigation??
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Throw in the pipeline to the port at Haifa through Jordan. Who profits indeed?

Once AGAIN President Bush/Republicans...

Please explain exactly what Sadaam Hussien had to do with the events of 9-11-01?

Senate Republicans Block Iraq Timetable

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Republican-controlled Senate easily defeated a Democratic effort Tuesday to pressure President Bush to outline a timetable for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. It then overwhelmingly endorsed a weaker statement calling on the administration to explain its Iraq policy.

Senators also voted to endorse the Bush administration's military tribunals for prosecuting foreign terrorism suspects at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but to allow the detainees to appeal their detention status and punishments to a federal court.

On the question of a timetable for troop withdrawal, senators rejected the Democrats' proposal by 58-40. Democratic leaders had advanced the measure in the wake of declining public support for a conflict that has claimed more than 2,000 U.S. lives and cost more than $200 billion.

Republicans countered with their own nonbinding alternative that the Senate approved on a 79-19 vote. Five Democrats sided with the majority party.

Instead of calling for a withdrawal timetable, the GOP provision urged that 2006 "should be a period of significant transition to full Iraqi sovereignty," with Iraqi forces taking the lead in providing security to create the conditions for the phased redeployment of United States forces.

"They want an exit strategy, a cut-and-run exit strategy. What we are for is a successful strategy," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said: "We want to change the course. We can't stay the course."

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I am sure I could name the dempublicans that voted is opposition to the opposition.

capt

http://www.joetrippi.com/

You have to read his most recent post.

capt

It's so fun to watch the WH twist in the wind. They have their little troll henchmen out to distribute the nonsensical lies, too. Rally the troops, we need to convince the American people that Bush is not a moron, that the Iraq war is about "freedom and democracy", and that this administration and the GOP are NOT corrupt. Looks like some folks are going to be working overtime! BURN.

"God made everything out of nothing, but the nothingness shows through." ~ Paul Valery (1871 - 1945)

baf at # 38 Duuuuuuuuuuude you got a good eye for idiocy. Please note my earlier posts today, wherein I remind everyone that President Bush has STILL not lived
up to that little bit about fighting with the " full force and might " of the American soldiers, equipment, etc. Wow, one could nearly say that that is idiotic , too.......... Please add your name, baf, at the petition web-site www.warisaracket.org YOUR EYES for IDIOTS ARE telling YOU Something, WAR IS A

R A C K E T .

Fact. Anderson Petition

Former CPB Head Reportedly Broke Rules, Ethics Code

WASHINGTON -- The former chairman of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting repeatedly violated the organization's contracting rules and code of ethics in his efforts to promote conservatives in the system, according to an internal investigation released today.

The 42-page report —†the culmination of a six-month investigation by Kenneth A. Konz, the corporation's inspector general —†described former Chairman Kenneth Y. Tomlinson as a rogue politico who overstepped the boundaries of his position to right what he viewed as a liberal tilt in public broadcasting.

Konz and his nine-member staff documented numerous occasions in which Tomlinson circumvented the corporation's contracting procedures in trying to hire his own handpicked candidates to study the political balance in public broadcasting.

According to the report, Tomlinson failed to get board approval for his hiring of a consultant, Fred Mann, to monitor the political leanings of the guests on "Now With Bill Moyers" and three other programs. Mann, who divided guests into categories such as "pro-Bush" and "anti-Bush," was paid $20,200 for an analysis that was "not sophisticated," the report said.

Tomlinson also had inappropriate involvement in the development of "The Journal Editorial Report," a public affairs program that began airing on PBS in September 2004, Konz wrote.

The inspector general also uncovered numerous e-mails between Tomlinson and White House staff about the hiring of Patricia Harrison, a former Republican Party chairwoman, as the new CPB president.

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PBS is one of the greatest treasures we have and Ken Tomlinson and the Bush administration couldn't keep their cotton picken fingers off it.

Phase II Report Being Stonewalled, Senators Charge

Yesterday was the deadline for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence to report its progress on Phase II of the investigation into the administration's use of pre-war intelligence. The prognosis is not good, according to Senators Rockefeller, Levin and Feinstein. They have released a letter, and here is its main finding:

At this time, we are unable to provide an estimated completion date of the Phase II investigation given the substantial amount of work that remains to be done.

This assessment differs greatly from the one offered by Sen. Pat Roberts on November 1st: It isn'tlike it's been delayed. As a matter of fact, it's been ongoing. As a matter of fact, we have been doing our work on Phase 2. In reality, as the letter makes clear at various points, the work of the committee has been stonewalled by an unwillingness on the part of conservatives to investigate the administration. The Senators report that the investigation has been unable to proceed due to the following issues:

(1) Chairman Roberts is unwilling to investigate the Cabal inside the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans because he is deferring to the administration to investigate itself.

(2) Roberts has been unwilling to allow for additional interviews and documents to conduct a thorough inquiry.

Also, it is important to note that while Bush continues to falsely claim that the Senate Intelligence Committee found the administration had not manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people about why we went to war, the Intel Committee Senators say just the opposite:

The Committee staff work on two other sections of the investigation is not finished: whether public statements were substantiated by intelligence information and the use of intelligence information provided by the Iraqi National Congress.

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Surprise, surprise!

Expected but still depressing.

We need an army of Kathleens!

That and the crud at #41.

Grrrrrrr.

capt

Why are they not in front of their cameras calling Bush a butcher?

by Mary MacElveen

I first want to thank Mark Parent and LiveJournal.com for bringing this video feed to the attention of many (English Version from Italian TV): US Chemical Weapons Attack on Iraqi Civilians.

But before you watch this video which is 27 minutes in length, I want to strongly caution you that what you are about to see is so horrific and if you have children, under no circumstances are they to view this feed.

While I have seen graphic photos of the "Bush War" in Iraq, I have never seen such a horrendous feed like this one. Feeds such as this one are not being seen by the American people and they should be.

President Hugo Chavez FriasAmerica deserves to know the truth!

In a recent VHeadline.com article: Bush brought death and destruction to Iraq...images speak for themselves. I called the readers attention to a grainy video feed showing a bombed out Fallujah. This one is far more devastating than that!

When President Hugo Chavez states that our government is "imperialist" in nature ... or where he calls Bush "Mr. Danger" ... I feel, after viewing this feed, that he is using the wrong adjectives. If he were to view it, he would be using much stronger terms to describe what our US government did to an innocent people. As I watched it, I was horrified, sickened beyond belief and I cried a multitude of tears.

In When can citizens of the United States stop hanging their heads in shame for Bush?, I asked pointed questions of our elected American officials:

Do you finally get it now?

Is this the best leadership we can present to the world?

Are you in the least embarrassed and abhorred by these video feeds?

The set of questions I would ask now are:

Why do you continue to support Bush?

Is this leadership or war crimes?

Shouldn’t you be calling for the immediate withdrawal of our troops from Iraq?

Haven’t we done enough damage already?

But here is the most important question of them all: Shouldn’t you be doing everything in your power to IMPEACH Bush? The killing of innocent Iraqi citizens by the use of chemical weapons is not fighting the war on terrorism. What it proves is that we are the terrorists. As I once wrote the Iraqi citizens are suffering a 9/11 on a daily basis for over two and a half years.

To the American media you continually refer to President Hugo Chavez as a ‘leftist’ leader again let me remind you of this fact ... he is a democratically-elected President.

As you write every negative article about President Chavez, let me also remind you that he did not do anything comparable to what Bush has done.

If the American media sat down and watched this video feed ... and after seeing such horrifying images ... wouldn’t they at least be ashamed of using any derogatory term related to President Chavez especially?

Why are they not in front of their cameras calling Bush a butcher?

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Some very valid questions.

capt

Robert #47, Kathleen will be very disappointed. Me, I expected nothing less. AIPAC should be thrown out of this country, along with all their supporters, but it will never happen. We will continue to fight and die for those traitors as our country sinks into bankruptcy. The iceburg cometh.

CHART, TABLE: CIA Secret Prison Planes--What the MSM Won't Tell

The European Commission said last week it will investigate published reports that the CIA set up secret jails in Eastern Europe to detain high-profile terrorism suspects. The Commission says the governments of the EU's 25 member nations will be informally questioned about possible human rights violations. News media reported also that the group Human Rights Watch "claims records and other evidence point to POLAND and ROMANIA as countries that allowed their territory to be used by the CIA to jail top suspected al-Qaeda captives." We report that HRW knows that from tracing the movements of CIA planes and WE PROVIDE A LIST OF THE 28 PLANES, 8 SHELL COMPANIES, AND SEVERAL CIA-RELATED COMPANIES.

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A very interesting tid-bit: Check out Laxalt if you do not already know his history.

Hint - "The Neverending Laxalt Fund"

Very interesting indeed.

capt

From the AP report that capt cited: "...The administration has refused to set a timetable for withdrawal, saying insurgents simply would wait to strike until after U.S. forces departed."
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If it weren't so serious, it's be funny...this gang that got EVERYTHING wrong about their damned war, knows this??!! Uh, earth to bush! Ever occur to you, they're striking because we ARE there??

AIPAC should be thrown out of this country, along with all their supporters, but it will never happen. - Saladin

Can't say I'm too pleased with Israeli policies, but you have just called for the deportation of thousands, if not millions of American Jews.

The following is the text of John Kerry's Floor Statement:

MR. PRESIDENT, Veterans Day is sacred - or it is supposed to be. Veterans Day is a day to honor veterans, not to play attack politics. The President, who is Commander in Chief, should know and respect this.

Veterans Day originally marked the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, when the guns of World War I, the war to end all wars, finally fell silent. Instead of honoring that moment, instead of laying a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier at Arlington National Cemetery, instead of laying out a clear plan for success in Iraq, the President laid into his critics with an 11th hour rhetorical assault that dishonored America’≥ veterans and those serving today, even as he continued to distort the truth about his war of choice.

Perhaps most striking of all is that his almost desperate sounding Veterans Day attack on those who have told the truth about his distortion was itself accompanied by even more distortion.

(queue Edgar Winters Frankenstein)

Of course this is news to Bush, he was always too busy on veterans day. Priorities.

capt

mr. schwartz,

are there that many american jews all lobbying for the interests of israel?

Keep up the great work, David.

Iraq detainees 'found starving'

Iraq's government says it has begun an investigation into the alleged abuse of more than 170 detainees held by Iraqi security forces in Baghdad.

The prisoners, many malnourished and some showing signs of torture, were found when US troops took control of an interior ministry building on Sunday.

The US raid followed repeated enquiries by the parents of a missing teenager.

Iraq's prime minister has promised to find those responsible for any abuse. Most of those held were Sunnis.

'Hard evidence'

The BBC's Caroline Hawley in Baghdad says the discovery will not come as a surprise to many Iraqis.

There have been persistent allegations of abuse by members of the Shia-dominated security forces, she says.

But Sunday's discovery is hard evidence and officials believe it may be the tip of the iceberg.

There are suspicions the building may also have been used as a base for a militia called the Badr Brigade, and that such militias may have infiltrated Iraq's security services, our correspondent adds.

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This is what we have empowered in Iraq? This is the freedom and democracy we have exported?

Who is ultimately responsible for this mess? No, not Bunnypants, it was all of those mean dems that made him start a war against his better considerations and better judgment. *WINK*

capt

AIPAC or the American Israel Political Action Committee.

I don't really know the numbers of folks who support them - but, I do know that many, many American Jews also have family in Israel. It is a natural consequence of the break-up of families that occured in the holocaust.

Consider, New York has a fairly large and influential Jewish population, all of whom were greatly angered and troubled by 9/11. If it were a false flag operation that Israel was involved with & that info got out, what would the consequences of that be?

A glance at the names of those who died on 9/11 shows that all races, religions were represented.

Today, AIPAC has 100,000 members across all 50 states who are at the forefront of the most vexing issues facing Israel today: stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, fighting terrorism and achieving peace.

Directly from their website, and I got the acronym wrong, BTW, American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Just to answer the question asked directly.

Emergency petition to George Bush: You must pledge not to pardon Scooter Libby or anyone else convicted as part of Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation.

I know...and a quarter used to get you a local phone call...

The Iraqi government started punishing provinces who rejected the constitution

November Tuesday 15th 2005 (14h56) :

The referendum about the Iraqi constitution was associated with huge frauds made by the ruling parties, who insisted on passing articles that are in their favor. Many parties and politicians have asked for investigations. However, instead of investigating these frauds, the Iraqi government has raised major offensives against people of the provinces which rejected the constitution. The minister of interior and minister of defense are from parties that strongly backed the constitution. Moreover most of the personnel of those ministries are from these parties. These offensives started with the operation named " Iron curtain", which was raised against people of Alqaem and Karaabla and Al-ubaidy in Al-Ramadi province west of Iraq. In the name of following foreign insurgents, many houses have been demolished on the heads of peaceful families. The USA F-16 fighters, which were used normally do not differentiate between insurgent fighters and peaceful families. The USA troops declared that they have killed 37 Iraqis in air raids on 14 Nov. in Al-ubaaidy town. The Iraqi Red Crescent reported on 13 Nov. the finding of 54 dead under the rubble of their houses. They included many women and children. The USA troops always consider any person they kill as insurgents. More than 200 civilians were arrested in the 1st week of Nov in Al-Ramadi province. On the other hand, waves of arresting civilians have started in Dialla province north-east of Baghdad. On 12 & 13 Nov more than 600 civilians were arrested there and more than 200 were arrested in Baghdad.. These are the numbers declared by the government sources, but the actual numbers are more. The arrested people will be detained for few months, without being charged or sent to a trail. The total number of detainees by the Iraqi government has exceeds 100,000 as many sources confirmed. Most of the detainees face brutal treatments. In many cases electric drills were applied to the detainees arms, or legs during the interrogation sessions. These brutal actions have led to false confessions.

It is obvious that such actions are against those who voted " NO " for the new Iraqi constitution. It is no more than some kind of revenge performed by USA troops and Iraqi government. It is ironic that those who are speaking of installing democracy in Iraq, detain tens of thousands of peaceful people without charging them, with out letting any lawyers or the Red Cross or the Red Crescent to visit them.

We hereby ask you to act, according to your responsibility, to free the detained Iraqis or to send them to a fair and justice trail. We always condemn violence, but when violence and torture come from governmental institutions and USA troops, it will only ignite much more violence and terror.

Mohamed Younis Mosul / IRAQ

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I hate to be redundant but . . .

This is what we have empowered in Iraq? This is the freedom and democracy we have exported?

capt

Dear Friend(s)m

I just signed this petition telling George Bush not to pardon Scooter Libby. Thanks to Micki's link.

Please join me:

Give 'em hell Harry

I signed and your should too.

Thanks!

capt

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From IronicTimes.com

We do live in some ironic times.

Robert, you can be Jewish and American at the same time. Anyone who puts Israeli interests ahead of America's, and considers themselves to be citizens of the US, can go back to Israel as far as I am concerned. I am certainly not calling for the deportation of anyone, and when I referenced supporters of AIPAC I was pointing mainly at US politicians who accept money from this lobby. Spying for another country, I don't care what country it is, is completely unacceptable. If it had been Russian or German nationals that had been caught they would have been booted instantly. This preferencial treatment Israel receives is my main gripe.

damnit - I should be more careful how I word things perhaps, but when I throw the term "Israel" around, I'm referring to THIS Israel:

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

capt

No need to sign the Scooter libby petition, no pardon will be necessary. Have'nt you heard Joe Wilson is the one who leaked his wifes name in the green room at Fox. Andrea Mitchell was caught on "Imus in the morning" to saying on a radio station that everyone in the reporters circles knew who Wilson wife was before the article came out. When Scooters lawyers get done with these journalists, Fitz will finally know that he was duped by the evil corpoarte media empire.

Civil liberties in danger, says ex-intel official

Sunday, November 13, 2005

By RICHARD COWEN
STAFF WRITER

MAPLEWOOD - The man who leaked thousands of pages of top secret documents to the media in 1971 to expose the U.S. government's handling of the Vietnam War warned Saturday that another terrorist attack could permanently damage civil liberties.

Daniel Ellsberg, the former U.S. intelligence official responsible for leaking the so-called Pentagon Papers to The New York Times and 18 other newspapers, told an audience of about 400 that the Bush administration most likely would respond to any terror attack on U.S. soil by severely restricting freedom of the press and the individual's right to speak out.

"In a time of fear, I believe that the majority of the American people will cling to authority," Ellsberg told the gathering at Columbia High School for New Jersey Peace Action's annual luncheon.

"And if there is another terror attack," Ellsberg added sarcastically, "I believe the president will get what he wants. And what he wants is a new Patriot Act, one that will make the current Patriot Act look like the Bill of Rights."

The Patriot Act, originally passed by Congress after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, is up for renewal.

To combat terrorism, it gave law enforcement leeway into probing the private lives of Americans - allowing for easier wiretaps, incarceration without charges, monitoring of computer use and even checking on books borrowed from libraries. Some members of Congress expressed alarm recently that the FBI had initiated 30,000 investigations of private e-mail accounts last year.

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The departments of government are not in place to do anything for the people except collect taxes. All of the "emergency" powers and departments are in place to protect and preserve the authority of government, not to help the people. They assert only controlling the masses can they preserve order. Any resistance will be labeled "insurgent" and dealt with according to the authority given Bush to call you, me, or any citizen an enemy combatant and hold without any charges.

What a country. The reason this is a very bad idea is without any checks or balances in short order political opposition becomes an enemy of the state on the word of inept incompetence.

I bet there are a few Jose Padilla's out there that are very worried about a screw up over their name.

capt

I signed micki.

Sorry barf, i saw andra on imus and she said no such thing. Mrs Greenspan was mostly trying to stay out of the fray

Mr. Bush, Meet Mr. Taft

One more time with the tired dissent-is-disloyalty line? Here's some ammo for anyone who thinks dissent equals loyalty.

By Michael Tomasky
11.14.05

Watching and reading George W. Bush's Veterans' Day speech last Friday confirmed my belief that it's a good thing Karl Rove wasn't indicted. If this is the best these people can do, Rove is doing Bush a lot more damage from his White House office than he would as an indictee.

The speech was humiliating to Bush and the United States of America on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin. OK, actually, I do. I'll begin with the outright lie.

My critics, Bush whimpered, "are fully aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments related to Iraq's weapons programs."

No such thing ever happened. That bipartisan investigation -- the so-called "Phase II" probe into administration manipulation of pre-war intelligence -- is ongoing right now. It's taken this long to start because, as Laura Rozen reported in our October print issue, Senate intelligence committee chairman Pat Roberts dragged his feet; and, as Murray Waas reported in The National Journal online, once Roberts did haltingly begin the probe, Dick Cheney and his staff refused to turn over crucial documentation. The delays and stonewalls, of course, are exactly what led the Democrats to call the closed session of the Senate. The probe is finally proceeding -- but it sure hasn't "found" anything.

There is no other way to interpret Bush's sentence: It is a direct, unmediated, Nixonian lie. What kind of pathetic man would utter such a lie on Veterans' Day, when over 2,000 U.S. soldiers have died?

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"Why of course the people don't want war. But it is the leaders who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." ~ -Joseph Goebbels (attrib)

I found an article that made a strong case for the above quote attributed to Goebbles is actually two quotes put together but there is controversy.

Still, it really says it all. Some people still fall for the old standards. The quote is the classic lie regardless the source.

capt

The fact is Bush lied about the reasons for an illegal and unwise invasion and starting a war of aggression on his word. He did not feel the need to cover his ass with a second resolution. He went without wide support.

That is a fact.

It does not change if it polled badly and is no more true because the polls are up on the issue.

I can say one thing, without exception, the bloggers on the "Bush lies" blog are obviously an insightful group (smart enough to follow David's lead). The posters on the "Bush never lied" blog are not so much! HA!

Proves David has been right all along.

Anybody else notice that the first time, the only time we have ever heard Bunnypants say he was wrong he equivocates with a broad swipe of "everybody else said so" and add insult to the injury by calling the opposition names?

What a shallow soul. He is not a man, not by my measure.

You do not have to be a conservative to feel ashamed for him, all Americans share that shame.

No wreath on the tomb of the unknown soldier, a long standing tradition shows what a creep this monkey-boy has become.

He has no respect for the troops, he has distain for those that are able to do what he was too weak to do, they serve.

WAY too obvious to me.

capt

But wadda I know?

HA!

EPA Rule Loopholes Allow Pesticide Testing on Kids

ALERT: EPA PROPOSES TESTING CHEMICALS AND PESTICIDES ON ORPHANS & MENTALLY HANDICAPPED CHILDREN

As we focus our attentions on bush the liar and his illegal warmongering, they continue to do their Machiavellian dirty work in numerous other ways that damage our children and their future...this will absolutely astound you!

Note these "exceptions"

1. Children who "cannot be reasonably consulted," such as those that are mentally handicapped or orphaned newborns may be tested on. With permission from the institution or guardian in charge of the individual, the child may be exposed to chemicals for the sake of research.

2. Parental consent forms are not necessary for testing on children who have been neglected or abused.

3. Chemical studies on any children outside of the U.S. are acceptable.

duderdorf

You can get the complete transcript from the Imus web site. You might want to clean the ear wax out next time. She admitted to Imus that she may have mis-spoke only after Imus called her bluff.

Culture of life = toxins in a petri dish

NCLB = all evaluated for classification

Pesticide testing = opportunity for the under classes to contribute to society.

Grrrrr!

capt

Former U.S. Army Interrogator Describes the Harsh Techniques He Used in Iraq, Detainee Abuse by Marines and Navy Seals and Why 'torture is the Worst Possible Thing We Could Do'

With deep remorse, former U.S. Army interrogator Specialist Tony Lagouranis talks about his own involvement with abusing detainees in Iraq and torture carried out by the Navy Seals. He apologizes to the Iraqi people and urges U.S. soldiers to follow their conscience. Lagouranis returned from Iraq in January and until now had given no live interviews. But Lagouranis says he now feels it his duty to speak out about what he witnessed in Iraq:

His use of harsh interrogation techniques on prisoners in Iraq including dogs, sleep deprivation, prolonged isolation and dietary manipulation.
How Navy SEALS induced hypothermia by using ice water to lower the body temperature of prisoners.
Serving in Fallujah and going through the clothes and pockets of some 500 dead bodies to try and identify them.
The corpses on men, women and children in Fallujah, which had been lying in the streets for days and had been "eaten by dogs and birds and maggots," were then stacked up in a warehouse where U.S. soldiers ate and slept.
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This soldier tried to stop the abuse. He reported the abuse and had the reports disappear. His interview told of soldiers without leadership direction. He's left wondering why we were in Iraq in the first place. He claimed that a very small percentage were guilty of anything. The men were picked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. One man had a shovel and a cell phone. That was his crime. Men were subjected to torture that included breaking of bones, burning, freezing temperatures. He says the fault goes all the way to the pentagon. I disagree. It goes all the way to the top.

Baf,
link it. I'll clean the earwax out of my ear to hear it.

Distractions once again, while the attention is focused on the pecados of gw, the economic tidal wave is gaining strength and by this time next year you aren't going to recognize your lifestyle. Think broke, with no chance to recover. Yup, going to get real interesting around here, and all of this crap about what gw knew, (nothing ever) and what he has done (sell out his country to the corporations) will be shown to be just a step in the process. We are screwed and while most don't realize it, the facts are that we cannot recover from the financial disaster that is upon us. Numbers don't lie, but liars use numbers to get their way. Not paying attention to the mountain of debt that has landed on the US will be our downfall. It won't matter about minor things like malfeasance in office or whether or not there was a conspiracy to crash those planes on 9/11 they are part of the distraction and were necessary for the larger plan. We cannot know the extent of this until it starts to be fulfilled. Watch you pockets and enjoy your new lifestyle.

PUNT formation???

What if Bush is losing it....angry, irrational, depressed, people trying to avoid contact with him....the White House becoming more and more paralyzed and dysfunctional every day....and less and less able to deal with the mess(es) they have created.

I think things, on many fronts, are going to get a lot worse before they get better.

Eventually, everyone in the Bush administration (apart from W himself) will go into punt formation, and simply shrug their shoulders and say, "This whole mess belongs to the next administration." Normally this happens 12 months before a general election...has it already happened with regards to Iraq? If not, it will soon. They will admit that it is a hopeless quagmire, and their only solution will be to give the problem to someone else.

Bob in North Dakota

Micki,

They were paying "street people" in San Diego CA to test something. $15 - one pack of cheap smokes and a half pint.

Someone made them stop.

There are no words for the ilk that would harm a child. These slugs are heartless and evil.

This is what happens when the indutry that should have some oversight is allowed to write their own regulations. It is all about profit. So a few kids get screwed along the way, no biggie to these guys.

Profit is king, profit is power, profit is truth.

Face it the under classes are just an expense. No surprise profit says they should be used.

If money was good then rich people would be good and made better by their wealth. Only then should we let those with the most money run the world, not before. We need a new world order of the people not the state.

IMHO

capt

"I think things, on many fronts, are going to get a lot worse before they get better."

I would bet on it.

Far worse. The last throes of power lost usually inflict as much pain as possible clinging to their lost dream. In the end all tyrants blame their failure on the opposition and lash out long after knowing they have lost.

"The problem of power is how to achieve its responsible use rather than its irresponsible and indulgent use - of how to get men of power to live for the public rather than off the public." ~ Robert F. Kennedy (1925 - 1968), 'I Remember, I Believe,' The Pursuit of Justice, 1964

"We thought, because we had power, we had wisdom." ~ Stephen Vincent Benet (1898 - 1943), Litany for Dictatorships, 1935

capt

WTF!!!! Who ordered the Nazi experiments? Bush is the reincarnation of Hitler like it or not, it behooves us all to get RID of this administration before we're all marked for extermination or worse, experiments. No wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier? Jerk! Chimpy doesn't care about you or your family. Remove him and his gang NOW!!! IMPEACH the ---hole(s)!

"Ah yes, truth. Funny how everyone is always asking for it but when they get it they don't believe it because it's not the truth they want to hear.": Helena Cassadine

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Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth: Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi

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Without seeking, truth cannot be known at all. It can neither be declared from pulpits, nor set down in articles, nor in any wise prepared and sold in packages ready for use. Truth must be ground for every man by itself out of it such, with such help as he can get, indeed, but not without stern labor of his own: John Ruskin

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The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear: Herbert Sebastien Agar

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Thanks ICH newsletter!

Add - one of my all time favorites:

"As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand." ~ Josh Billings (1818 - 1885), 'Affurisms from Josh Billings: His Sayings,' 1865

what the f**k

#79

I guess if your waiting for a government hand out then your right. No more welfare checks for you buddy!!

From the website:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa6.cfm

ALERT: EPA PROPOSES TESTING CHEMICALS AND PESTICIDES ON ORPHANS & MENTALLY HANDICAPPED CHILDREN

"70 FR 53857 "EPA proposes an extraordinary procedure applicable if scientifically sound but ethically deficient human research is found to be crucial to EPA’≥ fulfilling its mission to protect public health. This procedure would also apply if a scientifically sound study covered by proposed ? 26.221 or ? 26.421--i.e., an intentional dosing study involving pregnant women or children as subjects..."

(OCA NOTE: This clause allows the EPA to accept or conduct "ethically deficient" studies of chemical tests on humans if the agency deems it necessary to fulfull its mission. Unfortunately, the EPA report sets up no criteria for making such an exception with any particular study. This ambiguity leaves a gaping loophole in the rule. Without specific and detailed criteria, it could be argued that any and every study of chemical testing on humans is "necessary." This loophole in the rule must be removed, based on this inadequacy of criteria and definition.)"

It seems like y'all are focusing on the orphaned and mentally handicapped children that were mentioned in the other parts of this bill. This paragraph seems scariest, especially the words:

"scientifically sound but ethically deficient"

This section of the bill does not specify orphans or handicapped children. However, it can be used to mean orphans or handicapped children. In fact, it can be used to mean ANYONE, as I read it. The five words above, "scientifically sound but ethically deficient" are scary. In this day and age, what is "scientifically sound"? What the wingnuts say it is? This basically gives them the authority to do anything they want to anyone they want if it involves chemicals and is under the umbrella of the EPA. You may not want to get on their bad side. Mengele redux.

Thanks David for taking up the presidential verbal attacks on critics of the war you know the ones disguised as Kerry supporters.
all I have to say to monkey boy is this....Congressional investigation PHASE TWO.
Stay tuned.

And is it just me or do you find it interesting that the right wing has left for the Orient..Bush in Japan, Arnie in Beging, and Condi in Korea.

I had hoped for a strong third party. When we say "follow the money" perhaps I should say follow the yen.

Yen, yuan, it is all Greek to me.

Troll Alert!

David,
Pajama media? Does anybody even wear pajamas anymore? I think the last pair I owned was in grade school. That was only about 35 years ago.

And now for something completely different.

methinks Bill is the reincarnation of Antoine.

Telstra's $26b line to the future

By Jeni Porter, Rob O'Neill, Colin Kruger and Stephanie Peatling
November 16, 2005

Telstra has unveiled its most ambitious strategy yet to become a lean and integrated world leader in telecommunications. It will spend $26 billion over five years bringing new technologies to consumers. But the new vision will come at a cost - 12,000 jobs.

Telstra's chief executive, Sol Trujillo, who was recruited to turn the faltering giant around ahead of its full privatisation by the Government, announced yesterday that Telstra needed a new business model.

He said consumers would get faster movie and music downloads to their PCs and mobile phones, video calls, and a promise of better customer service. They would also be able to use their phones to send shopping lists to online supermarkets.

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From down-under. They are (coincidentally) having the same problems and are instituting some of the same measures. Telstra is huge down-under and 12,000 jobs is a very substantial number.

The squeeze is not just here. If our economic engine sputters it will shake the UK, Australia and many other countries. We could put the whole planets economy in some major bad mojo. The effect from the oil giants is like a boulder in a still lake and the first ripple has not even hit . . .yet.

capt

#90 Methinks you are correct. Brock=Antoine=Bill

From:NationMaster.com

Current account balance

1. Japan @$170,200,000,000.00
2. Germany @$73,590,000,000.00
3. Saudi Arabia @$51,500,000,000.00
4. Russia @$46,040,000,000.00

145. Italy @-$21,100,000,000.00
146. Spain @-$30,890,000,000.00
147. United Kingdom @-$33,460,000,000.00
148. Australia @-$38,300,000,000.00
149. United States @-$646,500,000,000.00

If profit and money are the nazz we are screwed, #149 out of 149?

The USA is in more debt than any other country and nearly 20 times the debt of number 148. We are in the negative for more than twice the account balance of the top 4 that are in the positive.

And if you think we are any better off "per capita" we are still #149 of 149.

Our national debt is snowballing, each administration handing of to the next.

There was never a "surplus" as we have never paid down our national debt. Not a little, not any since 1929 (I think).

We (USA) have to borrow more each day just to pay the interest on our debt. We never had a single dollar to give to the quagmire in Iraq. We just borrowed $200 billion more from some point in the future. A point more distant than any telescope has seen. The point is where after a return to fiscal sanity we have actually paid down our debt. We have to pay the piper sooner or later and later is worse.

The bank is busted, we have been out of the monopoly money for many years.

capt

Pentagon confirms using white phosphorous in Iraq

LONDON (AFP) Nov 15, 2005

A US military official on Tuesday confirmed white phosphorous bombs were deployed against insurgents in Iraq last year but denied media reports they used against civilians.

"White phosphorus is a conventional munition. It is not a chemical weapon. They are not outlawed or illegal," Lieutenant-Colonel Barry Venable, a Pentagon spokesman, told the BBC in an interview.

"We use them primarily as obscurants, for smokescreens or target marking in some cases. However, it is an incendiary weapon and may be used against enemy combatants."

Italy's state television RAI claimed last week the highly flammable munitions were used against insurgents and civilians in the Iraqi town of Fallujah in November last year.

Radical left-wing Italian politicians joined a protest at the US embassy on Monday, including communist deputy Piero Folena, who called for a United Nations inquiry into the alleged use of such weapons in Fallujah.

The RAI documentary, "Fallujah -- The Hidden Massacre", said the US military used a kind of napalm and white phosphorus in the battle, a claim denied by the US State Department.

Robert Tuttle, US ambassador to Britain, wrote in a letter published by The Independent newspaper on Tuesday that "US forces do not use napalm or white phosphorus as weapons".

But Venable said white phosphorous was useful to shift insurgents from positions that could not be targeted by normal artillery.

"It was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants," he told the

"When you have enemy forces that are in covered positions that your high explosive artillery rounds are not having an impact on... one technique is to fire a white phosphorus round into the position," he said.

"The combined effects of the fire and smoke -- and in some case the terror brought about by the explosion on the ground -- will drive them out of the holes so that you can kill them with high explosives

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Should we so willingly surrender the moral high-ground to the enemy?

So we do melt people, here I go again. I did not want to believe it when I heard it. It actually hurts me to know we openly admit to such a thing.

capt

Re: Pajamas?

It is all I wear, always. I stock up when I find good footsie pj's in my size.

capt

Capt,

Humans are uniquely qualified to behave in an in-HUMANE fashion.

...and re-iterating it every day.

I'm ashamed to be part of it, as well..

-T

Troll Alert!

Capt,

Here in Kintucky, we cuts them footsies out of our kids pj's cuz we consider thems to be shoes. And everybody knows we here in Kintucky dont wear no shoes.

Hajji,

The only good thing is that the generation just behind us is going to do far better. They wil not have to even try.

I cannot imagine them doing as badly.

We can still do so many things so much better.

I think overall we have really messed things up.

How did it get so bad so fast?

*sigh*

capt

Very disturbing story about Bush's state of mind in the Wash Times magazine

President Bush feels betrayed by several of his most senior aides and advisors and has severely restricted access to the Oval Office, administration sources say. The president's reclusiveness in the face of relentless public scrutiny of the U.S.-led war in Iraq and White House leaks regarding CIA operative Valerie Plame has become so extreme that Mr. Bush has also reduced contact with his father, former President George H.W. Bush, administration sources said on the condition of anonymity.

Matt Drudge adds on his site:
The sources said Mr. Bush maintains daily contact with only four people: first lady Laura Bush, his mother, Barbara Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes. The sources also say that Mr. Bush has stopped talking with his father, except on family occasions.

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Holy Shit Barfman!

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I guess pj's are almost on topic?

"In a real dark night of the soul it is always three o'clock in the morning, day after day." ~ F. Scott Fitzgerald (1896 - 1940), "The Crack-Up" (1936)

capt

Capt,

Regarding white phosphorus or "Willie Pete" as it is referred to in the army artilery, is not an offensive weapon. The only harm it can cause to a person on the ground is if they take a direct hit from the round or happen to come into contact with the round while it is expelling smoke, as it gets really hot. WP is used mainly to provide cover for infantry units crossing areas with little cover from enemy fire and to pinpoint areas for target by air. The smoke is dense but you can actually walk through it without coughing or causing your eyes to water. If anybody is using this as an offensive weapon it is a poor choice and highly ineffective.

Regarding the pj's

Where do you think the "no shirt, no shoes, no service" sign originated from?

I proposed a scenario where a fall out with poppy required the powers that be put some heat to Juniors feet. Poppy is not likely to favor the outing of CIA agents/operatives NOC's or otherwise.

If he actually gets as weird as Nixon the GOPhers will ask him to resign. I think Nixon started scaring those closest to him.

It would go a long way to repairing a reputation in tatters because of the bluster wannbe cowboy.

As far as I am concerned, the veterans day just took the cake. Like nobody knew about the tomb of the unknown soldier? That the POTUS offers respect to the unknown that gave their lives for love of country.

The little asshole forgot the WH is our house, he is just charged with keeping it clean for a term. The ethics janitor need to be fired. Hey we gave him more than a fair chance and he has proven to be a miserable failure. Pink slip time for the monkey-boy.

The GOP needs to start looking for its lost soul. It has been violated and even self-inflicted wounds hurt.

capt

"No Cowboy Boots on Greens."

-Sign at Sundowner Golf Course, Boyd Co., KY

(and I think it was actually neccessary)

-T

Oh My Stars! Bush is gonna Blow! And then Dickhead will be Prez! Ya think they'll make Condi VP?

Capt. @ 71:
The bipartisan Senate Intelligence report said Bush didn't lie. The bipartisan Butler Commission report said Bush didn't lie. The bipartisan Robb-Silberman Commission said Bush didn't lie.

Perhaps you have even one bipartisan study you'd like to quote to support your position?

Mr. Corn... watch out for that kudlow dude ...i don't know if he's still on the nose candy ....

Here you go Bill-

The very partisan Kaeff-report says Bush is a vindictive corporate puppet proping up a facist regime on the the fears and ignorance of everyday Americans.

Now you may not put much stock in that report, but why would you even think for a second anyone here gives two shits about commisions created by the white house or the corrupt rebublican congress? Please understand that lack of faith in the government is not limited to the incompetency of chimpy.

Hajji,

Should have taken a picture of that. That is classic. I found the spikes on the pointed toe
boots affected my swing.

Bill,

I am a Conservative but your bi-partician
commissions have one fatal flaw; they are all politicians, or at least the majority of them anyway. Politicians all have one goal, to make the people think they are doing something important. They will never "find" anything of substance because then a commission can be appointed to investigate their "commission."

Power protects power.

The fog of war: white phosphorus, Fallujah and some burning questions

By Andrew Buncombe and Solomon Hughes in Washington
Published: 15 November 2005

The claims contained in the RAI documentary have met with a strident official response from the US, as well as from right-wing commentators and bloggers who have questioned the film's evidence and sought to undermine its central allegations.

While military experts have supported some of these criticisms, an examination by The Independent of the available evidence suggests the following: that WP shells were fired at insurgents, that reports from the battleground suggest troops firing these WP shells did not always know who they were hitting and that there remain widespread reports of civilians suffering extensive burn injuries. While US commanders insist they always strive to avoid civilian casualties, the story of the battle of Fallujah highlights the intrinsic difficulty of such an endeavour.

It is also clear that elements within the US government have been putting out incorrect information about the battle of Fallujah, making it harder to assesses the truth. Some within the US government have previously issued disingenuous statements about the use in Iraq of another controversial incendiary weapon - napalm.

The assault upon Fallujah, 40 miles from Baghdad, took place over a two-week period last November. US commanders said the city was an insurgent stronghold. Civilians were ordered to evacuate in advance. Around 50 US troops and an estimated 1,200 insurgents were killed. How many civilians were killed is unclear. Up to 300,000 people were driven from the city.

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It is worse than we can imagine.

This could be a bigger more offensive crime than anything yet. Melting people is not nice.

No feather in anybodys cap when the war was started on a sting of lies and misrepresentations. Then we lie about what we have done, then we try to minimize it, rationalize it, justify it and eventually we will just try to ignore it. We have to return to being honest OBL never attacked our ability to be truthful we never needed to discard it as a virtue. We need to return to being honorable as a nation the terrorists have not scared the honor out of the people just the misleadership that has proven to be liars and criminals. And for what?

We are better than that, well the people of America are better than that. This whole mess is all where the buck stops in the oval office. Hell, if I were in his place I would hide too.

This must stop. All of it. The lies, the BS, the war.

Like it is okay to melt a single civilian or is it that the insurgents family is fair game for a little WP round or three?

capt

You folks ought to be glad that I and others like me are here. I mean, I couldn't imagine anything duller than conversing with a bunch of conservatives all of whom thought like I did. God save us all from echo chambers.

That is, unless I was afraid to engage in reasoned debate and adult dialogue. Then I would want a bunch of sniveling sycophants posting hosannahs to my every utterance.

We must all be like Howard Dean, who is fearless in engaging anyone at any time. No, wait. He refuses to appear simultaneously with Ken Mehlman, the head of the RNC, on any program. The good doctor is truly a coward to his convictions if he is unw