unfortunately and hate to say it, David, but you may have been duped with the late addition of Ledeen and May.

Please not another source for soundbite foodfight without real discussion... we saw how Jon Stewart made a mockery of the Crossfire show before the election.

I love you, man, but these people behind this are not "right of center." They are disgusting, lying bigots. Paris Hilton's jugs are one thing. Associating yourself with the electronic brownshirts is quite another.

The real reason for nuking Iran

A must read article!!!!!!!!!!

Big mistake David.

Better association with jugs and mugs than Michael Ledeen.

Bush and his cabal are insane low lifes.

Glad to have you on board my man!

so how will this work? could this be a good chance for regulars of this blog to get their comments in those other fool's blogs?

Bush is the poster child for total insanity.

Milwaukee Paper Apologizes for Accepting 'Cooked' WMD Evidence

In a column on Sunday, O. Ricardo Pimentel, editorial page editor at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, wrote that, “Yes, regrettably on the matter of WMD, count us as among the many who were duped. We should have been more skeptical. For that lack of skepticism and the failure to include the proper caveats to the WMD claim, we apologize, though I would note that, ultimately, we didn't believe that the president's central WMD argument warranted war. Not then and especially not now.”

Mr. David Corn,

I, for one, trust your judgment. Maybe you could collect on a bet? You know Cliffy has a blog at FDD and it has about a dozen hits. Ledeen is another story altogether.

Open and honest discussion is going to be hard in a room with complete fabricators. The most reasonable voice is always the easiest to drown out and may never be heard.

Thanks for the update

Kirk

"The part of Alan Colmes will be played by David Corn..."

America's future is linked to Bangladesh! Bangladesh has 5,000,000 children under the age of 14 who work 7 days a week and 12 hours per day. Most do not receive an education. Will Tom Delay import his ideas from the Mariana Islands?
Americans will work 7 days a week and 12 to 14 hours per day for $350 a year.

Cooper and Corn don't have a lick of sense. They join forces with Michael Ledeen, who is a fascist. Today Cooper recommended Eric Posner on his blog as some kind of authority on the trial of Saddam Hussein. If Cooper wasn't so brain-dead and so feverishly hostile to the left, he might have taken the trouble to google Posner's name. He would have discovered that Posner defended torture here: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004403 and the Patriot Act here: http://www.discourse.net/archives/2004/07/were_the_torture_memos_just_normal_lawyering.html Looks like Corn and Cooper will be running tours with David Horowitz before the year is up.

Dude, may I call you dude? You are my hero and Cliff May and Ledeen are dangle berries on the spyhincter of the conservative
movement. Ledeen, wait till we find out his involvement with the forged document wart that should grow to an elephantiasis hemroid on the PNAC crowd. This Scooter Leeky thing is just a bump in the road to them. The axis of evil, Syria, and Iran have been in their cross hairs for a long time and with a new supreme court ready to give the President all the cover he needs, remember we are still at WAR, the window of power is fleeting and opportunity
is very close at hand to finish off this master plan. One has to look at the total disregard for national resources, bodies and money, this crowd has and it aint that far out there. I challenge anyone to stay as focused and objective and still deliver the amount of salient info you have. Thank you beyond.

I don't pretend that I think it's a good idea - but there is a lot I don't understand. Carville and Matalin, Shriver and the Govenator...

thanks for letting us know where you stand. but don't think you'll have any credibility left if you go through with this.

We learn from everything we do. We never know what will come from change. To remain in a comfortable place is not going forward.

Just punch me in the solar plexus. It would hurt less and I'd take it less personally.

The part that concerns me is that you signed on with people who have no credibility and that you and your readers despise. Being associated with Cliff May and Michael Ledeen (!!!!) takes some of your credibility and passes it right over to them. Why exactly do you think they asked you to be a part of it? The Alan Colmes comment is spot on.

People will see that association and say, well, if David Corn is associated with it, maybe it's not that bad. Your readers will see it and go "Dude, WTF?!?"

Dude, WTF?!?

See, they're doing it already.

The right has spent decades building up their noise machine and you've now signed on to it. If it succeeds, you're helping to put money in their pockets. It reminds me of the article from the publisher of Harpers last year. He was offered a nice, fat, cushy, guaranteed paycheck for life if he'd sign on to one of their right-wing organs of spew. He declined. You should too.

Was that really Mr. Rove back up there at #6?
This is creeping me out?
G

David,

While I think you can stay true to your ogiginal mission for this blog and I do believe you when you say you will still have total editorial control, however it's a little bit of guilt by association. I for one don't feel that way and feel that only time will tell if this was a good choice or not.

I heard you on "On Point" tonight. It was a good show. However, I have to ask you a question about your Impeachment position. I want to know if you would want it pursued if the Dems took back the House and the Sendate? Or would it take both, or would you even consider it at all? Please address this and say why you take whatever position you have taken.

I think this is important because it goes to the heart of what you write about. The lies of George W. Bush. This administration lied us into an illegal war and there is enough out there to impeach both Bush and Cheney. I realize that right now Impeachment is impossible, but it should be shouted from the rooftops that if it were not for the Republican control of Congress these jokers would be in jail right now. If it weren't for the complacency and the downright collusion of the Main Stream Media, the truth would have been out there already and maybe Bush would not have gotten elected last year. But that is then and this is now.

It should be repeated and repeated and repeated. Just because they couldn't be convicted or even brought to that level doesn't mean the brave few, among which I count you David, should not put the facts out there as often as possible. Now, while the public is primed and when the press is beginning to find their voice and their collective spine again. Drip by drip by drip the call for justice just might get through.

We have to do something NOW to get these criminals out of office and we need people like you, David, to keep it out there as much as possible. So by saying that it's not worth it to pursue Impeachment proceedings is true but false. While we won't win the fight we might just win the war. It's worth talking about because it allows the facts about their crimes to be kept in the discussion. It's the only way there is a hope to take control of the House and/or the Senate away from the Republicans which would a major victory.

Please address these points David.

This brouha reminds of the recent nasty "unfriendly" fire directed at my candidate for governor, Tim Kaine.

Daily Kos, Swing State & Steve Gilliard berated Kaine for pulling an ad off Gilliard's Web site because he'd used a blackface to make fun of Michael Steele, the lieutenant governor in Maryland who had failed to denounce Maryland Gov. Ehrilick for attending an event at all-White country club.

They called him a yellow-belly coward.

Ten to one the folks stood up and told the bloggers to get over themselves!

I mean, of course Steele is an idiot and as far as I'm concerned if Gilliard wants to make fun of Steele until the cows come home, I'm okay with it. What happened was some idiot Republican made a stink and said Kaine was advertising in a racist blog, even though of course, Gilliard is African-American.

Kaine didn't want to give the opposition anything that could have legs, so he pulled his ad.

I commented in DailyKos that in the future, candidates would be well served to have a little clause in their contract terms of cancellation, forbidding any business relationship to be discussed.

Hell, if I were a candidate, I'd sure think more than twice before I signed up with a blogger in the future.

The point is here we have an anti-death penalty candidate who has a real good shot of winning Virginia and ordering DNA that is stuck in a California lab that could prove an innocent man was earlier executed in the Commonwealth, providing a hero to the movement, and they wanna talk about "dissing" and "disrepect"?

Yep, less than two weeks from a dead-even election, they go and raise a ruckus that could've easily derailed Kaine's momentum.

Geez, we saw how well everything turned out when Ralph Nader has his feathers ruffled in '00.

Fortunately, it looks like Kaine made the right call. He's now up by 3 points.

We liberals do not check in our brain when we sign in at blogs. Nor do we follow in herd-like fashion every tiny utterance or command by progressive leaders. That is just soooo Republican-like.

So if you want to join this little group, fuck whoever objects. Do exactly what your spirit calls for.

David,

Although most of the commenters aren't willing to give you a break, let it be known that I'm sticking up for you. Wolcott's foolishness in this regard is well known. Sure, you have allied yourself with a group those does contain some no-count scoundrels, but there are some good folks in that group besides yourself. Good liberal blogs. Many of them pro-war (which I suspect, is Wolcott's beef), but good liberal blogs. Sure right-of-center bloggers started the group. They can't be all bad if they put a man of your liberal credentials on the editorial board.

People really do need to lighten up.

David - you write

Later, I learned that other board members would be Cliff May, Michael Ledeen, Michael Barone and John Podhoretz.

And you didn't stop everything right then?

I'm sorry you have bills to pay, but you're now associated with some genuine lunatics. Before you didn't have enough money, but you had a good reputation. Soon, you still won't have enough money, and you'll have a smaller reputation. You've certainly started down that path at a brisk pace with your pointless ad hominem attack on Wolcott.

Start looking for a way out: you're going to bitterly regret this decision.

t

If, as seems probable, the "Pajamas Media" portal ends up being a mirror-image version of the Huffington Post (but with more typos and fewer complete sentences), then we have to wonder what sort of advertisers they're going to attract. Imagine David's latest anti-Bush screed juxtaposed with a solid column of ads for Regnery books. I doubt whether either party would be thrilled with such an arrangement. By the way, you can get a preview of all those fabulously diverse PJM opinions here: http://pjmunfiltered.blogspot.com

David, I admire you greatly and I fear you have been a little careless here. Charles Johnson, the ringleader of this little circus, is that most loathsome of creatures, a thing who aims to make money by spewing hate and promoting fear and ignorance. LGF is the "flagship" of Pajamas Media and, on even casual examination, is nothing more than a gathering place for racists and bigots of the lowest order. You have been duped (or seduced) into providing cover for these far-right nutcases, and that's not a good thing. Please reconsider.

If you wrestle with pigs you only get covered in . . . you know.

People judge you by the company you keep. Continuing displeasure with David Corn.

A follow up to the WTF entry on David Corn yesterday. I saw he had a new post up, so I posted an off-topic question on this issue in the comments. Several others seconded my question. A couple of hours later, he replied with an article.

His response is, to me, wholly unsatisfactory. He's signed up to be a part of something with Cliff May, Michael Ledeen and the guy behind Little Green Footballs. He says this all came as a surprise to him, but he's still going forward. After all, they offered him a great deal. Oof! David Corn's credibility just took a fatal blow in my opinion and he's dooming himself to become the Alan Colmes to people who make Sean Hannity look like a cuddly teddy bear. I'll be dropping his feed from LoopyNews before he makes the transition. I won't be associated with his new friends.

Not to be too blunt about it, but what the fuck are you thinking? Associate yourself with Charles Johnson and his band of drooling loonies? Have you lost your mind? I hear there are job openings for trainees at ReadiScrub Cesspool Service. Just to let you know, you know, that there are better choices out there. Say hello to 'TransferThem,' 'ploom hinemi,' 'NYNana,' 'IronFist' and all the other genocide-advocating lizards for me, kay, David?

A good reputation takes a life time to build, and five minutes to destroy. Too bad you're already in a position where you can't bow out gracefully....

The reporter who broke the Plame story is now looking forward to providing "varying views" cover for Charles Johnson, Michael Ledeen, and Cliff May. For more money.

Points for honesty about how things really work in the world of media consolidation. Do you know or care who are the main funders of this effort?

David-Let another one join the chorus. You have made a very bad judgment joining this charade. You add a sheen to their sludge. I am SURE they offered you a better deal to join up. What is the next bomb they are going to drop on you? Please reconsider and, at the least, get off the board.
Also, You went way over the top criticizing James Wolcott. Some of us are offering a helping hand.

You want to sell out to the liars, cheats, and con men, that's your business but I won't be reading you. And I'm taking your link off my blog which is now up to more than 50 hits a day! So there.

"Liberals" that sell out hurt us more than all the Frists, Delays, and Cheneys they can muster.

I, too, have to agree with the Alan Colmes comment. And the thing is, I'm sure that poor, sad bastard gets up every day, looks at himself in the mirror and tells himself that he's fostering a broader political understanding and, you know, it pays the bills. But make no mistake about it: the arguable banality of Wolcott's day job at Vanity Fair doesn't begin to compare with a conscious decision to act as a figleaf for what is obviously a hate movement. It would be truly sad to see you go that route.

Sell out! There won't be anything fair and balanced about this blog with that board. Idiot.

This fun and games attention-seeking at any cost behavior is disgusting. I mean I realize it may improve your hit count and get you a little more publicity, but at what cost? It makes me wonder how seriously you take what has happened in the last 5 years. Pajamas Media, huh? What a sucker you are, David.

Juggs, good.

Ledeen, BAD.

Paris Hilton's jugs do not lie. Paris Hilton's jugs do not take us to war. Paris Hilton's jugs do not slime patriots. Paris Hilton's jugs do not defend torture. Paris Hilton's jugs do not fuck up FEMA. Paris Hilton's jugs do not rig elections. I'd rather hang out with Paris Hilton's jugs than your new friends any day.

Jugs? More like 'mugs'. And David is the prime candidate. I'm sure that he was mentioned in the original plan for PJ Media: 'A bunch of wannabe genocidal crazies and Liberal To Be Named Later'. See, here's the problem: you can be a cheap date, and it doesn't necessarily ruin your reputation. But if you're a cheap whore, even for one night only, it kinda stays with you.

Mr. Corn, how on earth could you? Pyjama Media?

Dude, you wrote the Lies of GWB. It's a fuckin classic. GW himself cited it in his unfunny way.

That’≥ it, you're in.

And then, like me, you were one of the very few to find his ҷhere are the WMD?Ӡjokes nauseatingly awful. I felt I had found a kindred spirit. Well Done Mr. Corn I thought, another Warrior. He speaks, you listen. And as much as I can ever be a fan, I am. Which is why I had to read it over and over ...Pyjama Media? Are you going to go to their meetings? (You know, if Ledeen touches you Anywhere, you have to boil that part for 10 minutes, or else)

It's not funny, David, is all I am saying. It's sick, it's backwards and upside down. If I read that Krugman or Chomsky and you were in, I'd say Hmmmm, maybe another really Loud Huffington-Style community, and more of that noise I dig. But you're just there. Is it something we said?

I can't click on their noise boss, I can't do it. I can't go to the Fwee Repubwic; I can't stomach Little Green Footballs anymore than I can Stormfront. I don't need to, the song never changes there. I've heard it, and I can recite it.

But the PNAC is a whole other anethma, the AEI isn't fuckin around. They are the ideological engine driving our world to the edge and over, and they don't give a rat’≥ ass what you think. You offer them your credibility and it is swallowed into a glossy black tar of War and Lies. You stand near them and their sulphur and toxins will stain you...and worst of all they will waste your time.

You should not play with these fools Mr. C, you should help the grown-ups marginalize them. Frum and Pearle and Ledeen and May and whoever else they decide to spring on you , all the other un-indicted, cannot be looked to for perspective, or constructive input, it is not the nature of them. It is their nature to dement the truth and stack bodies. And that's without even broaching the subject of Ғight more often than wrongӠcause please ...hoo-wee.

You are not them, and they are not any of us. And you can't eat lunch in Vichy

I beg you to reconsider

PS: I once challenged Ledeen to a bare knuckle match in the parking garage of his choice in Manhattan, and he never even replied. You know why? He’≥ a tough talker so long as it’≥ someone else’≥ ass.

If you go to the Pajamas Media web site, the first thing you see is a contributor's profile, and guess who that contributor is? No, wrong, nope, sorry, yes *you're* right, it's Michelle Malkin!! Suddenly Paris Hilton doesn't seem so bad. David, there's no way you should be involved with this group. We'll take up a fund to pay your bills.

Well, we'll see.

I have a feeling you are going to regret having much to do with these folks. Their prior record is astounding in its mendacity and nastiness.

Just remember that your readers value you because of perceived credibility. That is all a journalist has.

Yeah, really. What's wrong with you, Mr. Corn? I'm sure you'd rightly object out of hand such an association with, say, David Duke. Charles Johnson is absolutely a David Duke equivalent. Have you not *read* LGF? And now Michelle Malkin too? They are using you. You do good work; and Wolcott's "fig leaf" remark is spot-on: these creeps are using you. Your presence, as well as Cooper's and Umansky's, gives these horrible sacks of shit a legitimacy they don't deserve. I admit I only visited your blog a half a dozen times or so, but I do read your work in the Nation regularly. But no more, and that goes for Cooper, too. You guys are enablers of a bunch of racist/fascist nutjobs. Shame on you.

It's funny that David Corn links sex and base corruption. It seems that he believes a blow job is equivalent to lying a country into war.

If you need to pay the bills that desperately that you'd ally yourself to and make respectable those fascists and neofascists, just get a job at McDonalds.

You'd have more self respect that way.

Or do you like seeing your own face next to the definition of useful idiot?

I am always interested in learning how relatively well-known people decide who to endorse, who to hang out with, who to debate with, etc. I think I do a pretty crappy job of it. And I must admit to hoping PJM goes down in flames. Pajamas Media is 99% Roger L. Simon and Charles Johnson and 1% everyone else. But I wish you well, though I fear you will be frustrated at the least.

David, you made the case for me. However, the comparison is not to Vanity Fair. The comparison is FoxNews. Would Jim Wolcott refuse to go on as a regular commentator on Fox & Friends? I hope Wolcott would say he would want to be a regular commentator just to see how long he can survive. Remember Jeff Cohen of Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting was an original member until FoxNews dumped him. But until then, he often got off great lines that knocked the others for a loop.

So, David, go for it.

But let's admit what bothers Wolcott and Atrios, among others: Your presence gives a "nonpartisan" gloss for shallow corporate media reporting about a "brave new blog" Pajamas Media (PM--oh my God, the initials are the same as an old left newspaper of the late 1940s!). That is a legitimate concern, but it might be good in that your voice may also be heard. Perhaps your eventual departure, when May and Poddy Jr declare a coup against your continued presence and your friend Roger goes along with them, will also be loud and noticed.

However, here's hoping against hope that PM becomes what you want it to be.

I hope Mr. Corn's involvement can at least provide an insider view of what goes on at PjM. I'd say that a devastating expose might make up for some of the 'bipartisan' cover he is providing the wackos. That and a report on how many times a day he feels the need to shower....