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November 16, 2005

CIA Leak Scandal: The Woodward Mystery/Of Gonzo, Blogs and Massacres in El Salvador

Yet another new mystery in the CIA leak case emerges. Who told Woodward in mid-June 2003 that former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife worked at the CIA? In today's Washington Post, Woodward reveals that on Monday he gave a sworn deposition to special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, in which said that in mid-June, a senior administration official had told him that Valerie Wilson worked for the CIA on weapons of mass destruction as a WMD analyst. (The analyst label was wrong.)

This top administration official went to Fitzgerald--apparently after the Scooter Libby indictment--and told the prosecutor about his chat with Woodward. The official also gave Woodward permission to talk about this conversation with Fitzgerald but not to reveal this official's identity to the public. The discussion occurred, according to Woodward, in mid-June 2003 prior June to 20 and weeks before Valerie Wilson was outed as a CIA official in a Bob Novak column. It also transpired before Libby first told New York Times reporter Judith Miller about Wilson's wife on June 23. Since Woodward says he spoke to Libby on June 23 and interviewed him on June 27--his notes of these interactions contain no references to Wilson's wife--this seems to mean that the senior administration official who told Woodward about Valerie Wilson was not Libby. Unless something funny is going on here, Woodward's revelation suggests that a Bush official other than Libby was the first to tell a reporter about Wilson's wife.

Who was it? Good guesses would include Colin Powell, his deputy Richard Armitage, George Tenet, Stephen Hadley or even Dick Cheney. Was Woodward's source the same official who first told Novak? Perhaps. (Karl Rove's camp put out the word that Rove, as Novak's second source, merely confirmed the information on Valerie Wilson.)

Why would this source contact Fitzgerald after Libby's indictment to spill these beans? There's no telling. A guilty conscience? New evidence emerged? Who knows? Does this help Libby? I don't see how it would, though his advocates were emailing around a statement today maintaining that the new information shows that Fitzgerald was wrong when he said Libby was the first Bushie to share Valerie Wilson's CIA identity with a journalist. Might this development somehow be useful to Rove? Did Rove's legal team orchestrate it? We can only speculate.

What's beyond speculation is that Woodward was sitting on explosive information. He let no one know. He did not even tell Post executive editor Leonard Downie Jr. about this until last month. But Woodward did go on talk shows and dismissed the leak investigation--without revealing he knew of a senior official who had leaked this information (to him!). Was Wooodward's criticism of Fitzgerald based on the inside info he possessed? Or did he deride Fitzgerald to protect one of the sources he relies upon for his inside-the-zoo books? I don't think he'll be answering such questions soon.

Just when it seemed the leak story was fading, here's another odd bounce. Does this indicate Fitzgerald is still hard at work, or is this a mopping-up task for him? Like so much of this sage, this episode yields more questions than answers.
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PJ TALK. The "Gonzo to Blogs" panel at the OSM conference was delightful and hardly earthshaking. We cogitated upon the differences between blogging and journalism and those between reporting and commentary. I noted that too often in conversations about the media the terms "objectivity" and "accuracy" are confused. Objectivity does not truly exist, I maintained, but accuracy does and should be pursued for by bloggers and journalists alike. Nothing too radical there, I hope. There was much optimism among the panelists for market forces having a positive impact on the credibility of bloggers. Richard Fernandez, who writes the Belmont Club blog, remarked that "market forces will push bloggers to be responsible. When you get 10 hits a day nobody cares what you say. When you reach a certain point, you have a reputation and you can throw it away with a single word." There's some truth to that. But I can think of many high-volume sites that are not always accurate or responsible. (No names here.) When it comes to sites peddling stock tips and info-you-can-use, Fernandez's point has more merit. As for political sites, high traffic does not lead to greater accuracy.

There were no sparks at the panel. And if OSM had a link to the video footage of the event, I'd insert it here. But at the end of the discussion, John Podhoretz surmised that if there were bloggers at the time of the Tet Offensive, the war in Vietnam would have gone differently. Conservatives have long argued that the media reported Tet as a win for the Viet Cong when in strict military terms it was a defeat, and, they gripe, this reporting had a negative effect on public opinion within the United Sates. Other historians have debated this. Still, Podhoretz suggested that if military experts had been able to blog about Tet they could have challenged the MSM accounts. With the panel about to end, I decided I had to reply quickly with a different what-if to show that the MSM ain't always pushing a liberal agenda (which did seem to be the prevailing assumption among many in the room). I blurted out: "And if bloggers in El Salvador in the early 1980s were able to blog about the massacre at El Mozote"--in which 800 or so peasants were murdered by a US-trained and US-equipped elite battalion of the El Salvador army--"then Elliott Abrams might not have been able to get away with saying no massacre had happened and the White House cover-up would not have lasted." (That's my recollection of what I said. I don't talk and take notes at the same time.) As soon as I finished, I realized that Abrams is Podhoretz's brother-in-law. Before Podhoretz could reply, the panel ended. I looked at him and said, "Sorry to bring family into it." He glowered at me: "You didn't have to get personal." It was not my intention to toss out an example so close to home. But it happened. And it was a good example. Besides, if we're going to be open-source about everything, there should be no sacred cows. Right, OSMers?

Posted by David Corn at November 16, 2005 04:59 PM

Comments

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does podhoretz really view that as "getting personal"? - f**k him and anyone else who is a politcal, punditical, or journalistical cry-baby! - does this 'OSM' link to this blog? - if any podhoretzes or simons or millers are reading this, they should take note: the cornblog allows free and unfettered commentary - THAT is the true definition of free speech. ha.

Posted by: James Ha at November 16, 2005 05:14 PM

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oh ya....
click my name podhoretz to order the FREE DVD: "CONFRONTING THE EVIDENCE: Reopen 911"

Posted by: James Ha at November 16, 2005 05:17 PM

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Mr. David Corn,

STILL these nuts with "the media made us lose Vietnam?" OMG, I would have said something far less eloquent and clearly more inaccurate than your well spoken comment. It was not person by you intention as it was not thoughts of others relatives but the situation. F'em if he cannot take a joke. He must have a good sense of humor if he has ever read what he write.

"there should be no sacred cows. Right"

That says it all. I have a feeling you might get yourself uninvited as the fascists eventually turn on any opposition as the cause of their inept and misplaces views and resulting failures and chaos.

I would say "give em hell" but you have clearly done so with any encouragement. (as always)

Kudos

Kirk

Posted by: capt at November 16, 2005 05:29 PM

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pigin English passes my proofs - sorry

"It was not personal by your intention as it was not thoughts of others relatives but the situation. F'em if he cannot take a joke. He must have a good sense of humor if he has ever read what he writes. "

Still not good but better!

capt

Posted by: capt at November 16, 2005 05:31 PM

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Woodward says Libby not leaker

From Tim Reid in Washington



The veteran Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward became embroiled in the CIA-leak case yesterday as it became clear that Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor, is far from finished investigating the scandal.

Mr Woodward, of Watergate fame, testified that a senior Bush Administration official told him about Valerie Plame, the CIA agent in question, a month before her identity was leaked to the press. Mr Woodward said that the official, whom he refused to name, was not Lewis Libby, the former Chief of Staff to Vice-President Cheney, charged with perjury for his role in the affair.

His disclosure means that it was another official, and not Mr Libby, as Mr Fitzgerald claimed in his indictment, who first spoke to a journalist about Ms Plame. Mr Woodward said that he spoke to the official in mid-June. Mr Libby is accused of first leaking Ms PlameÕs identity in late June.

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So Bob gives Libby the defense witness by implication and nobody else is charged. End of story?

Sorry but if true, Bob is a traitor just like Miller.

His access fetish has cooked his brain.

capt

Posted by: capt at November 16, 2005 05:52 PM

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The POoDdle didn't deny the accuracy of your message, just felt it was personal. So be it; much of what passes for commentary by many on the right (from the White House leadership on down) is nothing more nor less than personal assaults used to distract from factual representations.

Posted by: spyder at November 16, 2005 05:57 PM

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Here is the "everybody walks" scenario:

Bunnypants or Cheney tells Bob, Bob (not knowing it was classified) mentioned it to others (Libby, Rove) so they really did hear it from a "media" or "reporter" type.

The actual leaker was Bush or Cheney but it was for Bob's book. So Bob, who is leaking, is not in the employ of the government so he cannot be charged with the leak. The leak was just incidental to his interviews for his book so Rove and Libby were just using what Bob said.

Everybody walks.

Indictments and investigations will be all but stopped because it is just a waste of time and money.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 16, 2005 06:00 PM

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Capt
"Indictments and investigations will be all but stopped because it is just a waste of time and money."

Finanly some one gets it!! Libs are just no match for converasatives. You all should focus on your issues you can win on like the libs in MA who want to soften the crime of animal sex. Now thats a winner for you guys!!!

Posted by: baf at November 16, 2005 06:12 PM

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Wasn't it Rove who said, "wives are fair game?"

Boo-freaking-hoo, Pudhoretz.

Posted by: Drewp at November 16, 2005 06:15 PM

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FIRST INNING SCORE

Corn: 1
Podhoretz: 0

Posted by: micki at November 16, 2005 06:25 PM

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I don't get the "everybody walks" scenario. It seems to me that wouldn't defend Libby from the lying/obstruction charges.

Posted by: joe at November 16, 2005 06:32 PM

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#8
that's a real good example baf! especially since that pillar of the 'converasatives' himself, the esteemed scooter libby has actually written a novel about a girl who is kept in a cage by yet other 'converasatives' for the purpose of being raped by a bear! - what kind of pedophile does one have to be to refer to himself by the name of scooter at his age? - that's about as classic as brit hume with his little boy haircut wig!

Posted by: James Ha at November 16, 2005 06:42 PM

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David,

Woodward actually said he spoke to three current and former administration officials and he implied the source was not a current administration official. He also denied it being Libby, so that lets Rove, Cheney et al off the hook. What former administration official, who was there in 2003 but no longer there, would have a reason to out Plame?

I would think Powell would not have a reason to do this. Would George Tenet? He is, after all, the one Cheney requested to send someone to Niger to research the yellow cake incident.

Posted by: TRH at November 16, 2005 06:50 PM

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Woodwards actual quote reads "current or former"

"On Monday, November 14, I testified under oath in a sworn deposition to Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald for more than two hours about small portions of interviews I conducted with three current or former Bush administration officials that relate to the investigation of the public disclosure of the identity of undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame."

For the full statement see below.

WoodwardStatement

I say it was Tenet. Why else would he receive the Medal of Freedom?

Posted by: TRH at November 16, 2005 07:05 PM

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james wa wa

Nice to see you libs can read - but I've got to admit, I wouldn't even waste my time reading something Scooter wrote-who cares!!! What he wrote was fiction. The libs in MA are real as well as Scott Ritter you libs love to quote- who was caught solciting sex from 12 and 13 year girls. Maybe you should learn fact from fiction next time.

Posted by: baf at November 16, 2005 07:10 PM

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Funny only a troll noticed I was speaking troll?

HA!


Look up sacasm some time.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 16, 2005 07:23 PM

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good thinking again baf!
first I'm not a lib I'm a conservative, and
second, YOU'RE the one who brought up animal sex, and third, it's just like the other day when you castigated clinton for not accepting osama on a silver platter, and I pointed out what bush said and did about osama, and you then said osama doesn't matter -
baf, you're going to have to try a little harder than that my friend!

Posted by: James Ha at November 16, 2005 07:23 PM

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War, we have come to believe, is a spectator sport. The military and the press ... have turned war into a vast video arcade game. Its very essence- death - is hidden from public view.": Chris Hedges, Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for New York Times

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War ... should only be declared by the authority of the people, whose toils and treasures are to support its burdens, instead of the government which is to reap its fruits. : James Madison (1751-1836)

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War: first, one hopes to win; then one expects the enemy to lose; then, one is satisfied that he too is suffering; in the end, one is surprised that everyone has lost. : Karl Kraus (1874-1936)

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Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph: Haile Selassie

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"Television is altering the meaning of "being informed" by creating a species of information that might properly be called disinformation... Disinformation does not mean false information. It means misleading information - misplaced, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial information - information that creates the illusion of knowing something, but which in fact leads one away from knowing.": Neil Postman

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" The corporate grip on opinion in the United States is one of the wonders of the Western world. No First World country has ever managed to eliminate so entirely from its media all objectivity - much less dissent.": Gore Vidal

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Thanks ICH newsletter!

Posted by: capt at November 16, 2005 07:24 PM

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and fourth....order the damn FREE DVD
"CONFRONTING THE EVIDENCE: Reopen 911" by clicking on my name below!
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Posted by: James Ha at November 16, 2005 07:27 PM

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james wa wa

The point about Clinton was that he did nothing and Bush has successfully shut Osama down to the point where he doesn't matter anymore. You say your a conservative, but what are you conservative about? I've not seen anything conservative come out of any blogs you've written. Maybe you should come out of the closet!!!

Posted by: baf at November 16, 2005 07:33 PM

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Why Some Like It Hot: Spices Are Nature's Meds, Scientist Says

John Roach
for National Geographic News

November 11, 2005

People who live in warm climates are attracted to spicy foods because the red-hot seasonings keep people healthy, according to a scientist who takes a Darwinian approach to medicine.

"The Darwinian approach asks the question, Why are certain things the way they are, which is a complement to the approach of asking, How do things work?" said Paul Sherman, a professor of neurobiology and behavior at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York.

Sherman's research shows that people in warmer regions of the world benefit from eating spicier foods, because spices are natural antimicrobials. Food-borne pathogens and parasites are more prolific in warmer climates, and spices can kill or inhibit their growth.

*****end of clip*****

I am sure the local plants and food sources effectively address the local bugs, yeast and molds in a balanced act.

Before commercial yeast was invented, sourdough bread was the standard because a sourdough starter uses yeast right out of the air.

capt

Posted by: capt at November 16, 2005 07:42 PM

Posted by: flan at November 16, 2005 07:45 PM

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flan

your right Cheney did slam the Dems-thats really not that hard to do though.

Posted by: baf at November 16, 2005 07:51 PM

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But I can think of many high-volume sites that are not always accurate or responsible. (No names here.)

Why not, Dave? Afraid of offending some of your Pajamas/OSM buddies?

Posted by: Don A at November 16, 2005 08:01 PM

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FOX news?

Posted by: capt at November 16, 2005 08:01 PM

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Baf - It's not your right, it's you're right. As in you are right. Sorry to correct you.

Posted by: Grammar Coach at November 16, 2005 08:04 PM

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grammar coach

you're right-I am right- thanks!!!

Posted by: baf at November 16, 2005 08:21 PM

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grammar coach

Those damn libs at school kept trying to tell me I had two mommies. We never did get to the grammar part-damn it!!

Posted by: baf at November 16, 2005 08:27 PM

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That's Reich!

Posted by: T-Hee at November 16, 2005 08:28 PM

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baf #23, my ass could come up with a better response than that.

Posted by: flan at November 16, 2005 08:28 PM

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baf -

blogs that I've written? hmmm...I've written a whole bunch of blogs I guess, haven't I -
my belief that 911 was an inside job has nothing at all to do with my being a conservative - I'm conservative about finances/economy, in that I think one should 'pay as they go' so to speak - I haven't seen much of THAT happening with this white house, have you? and I would like to see the fed. govt. downsized, as this whitehouse claimed they would do, but instead has increased in size by a good 45% at least - and I would like to see what forrested areas we still have left CONSERVED for my children's children to enjoy, but this administration has literally turned them over to the timber industry -

you see baf, I'm a true conservative, and these republicans in the white house and in the congress are NOT - they have skoded the term 'conservative' and fooled a great many republican voters into believing them just by throwing the term 'conservative' around -

Posted by: James Ha at November 16, 2005 08:28 PM

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baf-
and since you brought up osama/bush yet again, I will remind you that in late '01 osama was surrounded in some valley or other in afghanistan by american forces who were then told to stand down while a russian-made helicopter somehow managed to fly in and pick somebody up and fly out again....and guess what? osama "somehow" slipped thru their fingers - and then guess what? many soldiers from that unit later committed suicide - I guess they were just too depressed to continue with life -

Posted by: James Ha at November 16, 2005 08:38 PM

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james wa wa

I agree with you about the repubs spending problem. I would also include social security if your worried about our kids as am I. As far as the forests go- I live and have grown up in the Pacific NW and love the outdoors. As a conservative I believe there is a middle ground that boths sides could meet just as Bush does. I have attended previous timber summits and know that this issue effects local communities as well as future generations. Something enviro-wackos could care less about. I also know that we have had devestating fires here, do to improper management. I support tax cuts and have enjoyed mine a great deal which has helped me to hire new employees above min wage which here in OR is one of the highest in the nation. So other than spending, I am still wondering how you could be conservative? Do you support cutting domestic programs to get spending under control?

Posted by: baf at November 16, 2005 08:41 PM

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and now I have to go feed my family. so....click my name to order the FREE DVD - "CONFRONTING THE EVIDENCE: Reopen 911" by Dr. Prof. David Ray Griffin
(free shipping/handling)

Posted by: James Ha at November 16, 2005 08:42 PM

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james wa wa #32

Sounds like the aliens have come to take him away. Maybe Louis Farrakahn sent them.

Posted by: baf at November 16, 2005 08:43 PM

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James, you are wasting important breath, or should I say, bandwidth, on such an idiot, he can't even spell, he doesn't even try.
David, scandal is all this will ever be. As far as I can see, Fitzy has all the evidence and can lock it up, why else is he insisting on secrecy?

For you James, remember the poor lady in the photo standing in the hole the plane knocked in the side of the WTC? Well, she has been tentatively identified as Edna Cintron, an administrative assistant for Marsh & McLennan, by her husband. Also, there is this;

Sakher Hammad had a WTC 1 basement pass dated 9/5/2001. This pass gave him access to the 6 underground levels of WTC 1 and he was working on the sprinklers. Hammad worked for Denko Mechanical, but the Port Authority of New York have no knowledge of this company.

Who signed Sakher Hammad's basement level pass, and what was he doing?

As maintenance and electrical workers talked to each other on their dedicated radio channel, one man trapped in a stairwell on the 103rd floor of the north tower called repeatedly for help.

"Open the stairway door," he called. The radio picked up his labored breathing, and he reported smoke rising. "People stuck in the stairway, open up the goddamn doors." Later he burst out, "Where's the f------ sprinkler system?" [USA Today]
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Posted by: Saladin at November 16, 2005 08:49 PM

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Baf - "I would also include social security if you're worried about our kids as am I."

Posted by: Grammar Coach at November 16, 2005 08:50 PM

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fuck you baf
what domestic programs baf? welfare? it needs to be fixed - foodstamps? no -
I believe that giant conglomerates who enjoy giant tax cuts because they have a mailbox in the bahamas or somewhere are the REAL problem - they do not use those tax cuts to create jobs like they always say they will - the manufacturing base of this country is dwindling to overseas employees - the tech. jobs are dwindling overseas as well - at the same time illegal laborers are allowed and even assisted to get jobs here in america - we are getting screwed from all sides and it just keeps getting worse and worse -
THAT'S what I think - later alligator - J

Posted by: James Ha at November 16, 2005 08:54 PM

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Bush 'Unsigns' War Crimes Treaty
From Alternet
By Jim Lobe, AlterNet. Posted May 6, 2002.

The Bush administration has pulled out of the treaty to establish the International Criminal Court -- a move that is both unprecedented and foolhardy.

The Bush administration Monday formally renounced its obligations as a signatory to the 1998 Rome Statute to establish an International Criminal Court (ICC). Critics say the decision to "unsign" the treaty will further damage the United States' reputation and isolate it from its allies.

"Driven by unfounded fears of phantom prosecutions, the United States has hit a new nadir of isolationism and exceptionalism," said William Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International's U.S. section (AIUSA).

A simple three-sentence letter to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan formally ended U.S. participation in an agreement to create the world's first permanent tribunal to prosecute war crimes, genocide, and other crimes against humanity. In the letter, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, John Bolton, asserted that Washington "does not intend to become a party to the (Rome Statute of the ICC)" and that it "has no legal obligations arising from its signature (to the treaty) on December 31, 2000."
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I guess we really can't participate since WE are committing crimes against humanity.

Posted by: Saladin at November 16, 2005 08:54 PM

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thank you Sali

Posted by: James Ha at November 16, 2005 08:56 PM

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AOL WEB POLL: The people speak!

Time for the bush handlers to break out the pretzels...


Who is more trustworthy?
Clinton 62%
Bush 38%
Total Votes: 297,745

Who is the better president?
Clinton 67%
Bush 33%
Total Votes: 299,483

Posted by: micki at November 16, 2005 08:58 PM

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micki, I really believe there is a method to this madness.

Posted by: Saladin at November 16, 2005 09:02 PM

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Hajji,

I know you are planning on coming home this weekend but I just wanted to bring to your attention this dangerous criminal on the loose in S.C.

Posted on Mon, Nov. 14, 2005

Midlands Most Wanted


Each Monday, The State will run information on a suspect wanted by authorities. Since the feature began in February 2004, 29 suspects have been taken into police custody.

RODNEY DANE HIGGINBOTHAM
¥ DATE OF BIRTH: July 29, 1965
¥ DESCRIPTION: 6 feet 1 inch, 165 pounds, brown hair and hazel eyes
¥ WANTED BY: Lexington County SheriffÕs Department
¥ CHARGES: Third-offense criminal domestic violence
¥ LAST KNOWN ADDRESS: 232 Stagecoach Road, Gaston

¥ ALLEGED CRIME: Police said Higginbotham argued with his wife because she had not cooked anything. When she began cooking, he started making spaghetti while eating crackers and squeeze cheese. They argued, and he squeezed cheese on the kitchen floor. She squeezed the cheese on his truck, and he squeezed the cheese in her hair before fleeing in his truck. His wife said she washed her hair before the officer arrived to take her complaint.

¥ IF YOU SEE HIM: Call the Lexington County SheriffÕs Department at (803) 785-8230 or Crime Stoppers at (888) 559-TIPS.
**************************

It's a good thing he only squeezed the cheese instead of cutting it! He would really be in deep trouble then!

Posted by: TRH at November 16, 2005 09:12 PM

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TRH, That sounds like my town! The worst crime I remember reading about was vandals breaking into the local florist shop and spray painting everything black! We also had a spider set off the alarm at the police station, the spider was executed. And an escape desert tortoise, caught wandering down the middle of the road. Ya gotta love small towns :-)

Posted by: Saladin at November 16, 2005 09:27 PM

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Dammit, haven't they had their ethics refresher course yet??
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WaPo article today says, "Mark Corallo, a spokesman for Rove, said that Rove is not the unnamed official who told Woodward about Plame and that he did not discuss Plame with Woodward..."
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There they go again...changing the rules... Apparently the WH rules that Scottie told us about -- not commenting on the investigation while it's on-going, don't apply to Karl and his spokesman.

Posted by: micki at November 16, 2005 09:29 PM

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Saladin,

That article came from "The State" which is located in Columbia, S.C. It didn't give the town that I could tell. I guess small town America still exists. Hard to tell these days.

Posted by: TRH at November 16, 2005 09:31 PM

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I think there's something in this whole Woodward mess that deserves further scrutinity--is this secret SAO someone that Fitz just missed interviewing the first time around? There aren't that many SAOs, so that strikes me as highly unlikely.

Doesn't it make more sense that this was an SAO who had been interviewed before? And that this was a "correction" to previous testimony? Perhaps he (or she) wasn't under oath the first time around--we know of two people for whom that is true. Or perhaps he suddenly "remembered" something in an old email or notebook, and wanted to keep his identity secret to save himself the white hot glare of the media spotlight.

Speculative sure, but I think the underlying questions are legitimate and worth pursuing.

Posted by: cvcobb01 at November 16, 2005 09:42 PM

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"I think there's something in this whole Woodward mess that deserves further scrutinity"

No doubt about it.

I smell something and it is not the sweet smell of success.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 16, 2005 09:52 PM

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Woodward Had Recently Denied He Had 'Bombshell' and Downplayed Plame Probe

By E&P Staff

Published: November 16, 2005 12:45 AM ET


WOODWARD: I wish I did have a bombshell. I don't even have a firecracker. I'm sorry. In fact, I mean this tells you something about the atmosphere here. I got a call from somebody in the CIA saying he got a call from the best New York Timesreporter on this saying exactly that I supposedly had a bombshell....

But Michael's point is exactly right. There is deep mystery here. It only grows with time and people are speculating and there are -- there is so little that people really know.

Now there are a couple of things that I think are true. First of all this began not as somebody launching a smear campaign that it actually -- when the story comes out I'm quite confident we're going to find out that it started kind of as gossip, as chatter and that somebody learned that Joe Wilson's wife had worked at the CIA and helped him get this job going to Niger to see if there was an Iraq/Niger uranium deal....

I don't see an underlying crime here and the absence of the underlying crime may cause somebody who is a really thoughtful prosecutor to say, you know, maybe this is not one to go to the court with.

KING: You're saying this is a maybe.

WOODWARD: A maybe, only a maybe....

*****end of clip*****

Something smells very bad and it is not my footsie pajamas.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 16, 2005 10:12 PM

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You go David... tell them like it happenned, not this neo-con "noble lie" or "perception is reality" or "the means justify the end", hogwash.

In regard to the Plame leak the two following statemnts by Bob Woodward clearly demonstrate to me that Woodward is no longer the investigative journalist that he (may?) have once been.

Woodward stated "When the story comes out, I'm quite confident we're going to find out that it started kind of as gossip, as chatter". He also states "When all of the facts come out in this case, it's going to be laughable because the consequesnces are not that great".

Woodward's obvious inability, refusal, or denial to comprehend how serious the public release of Valerie Plame's identity is both alarming and dangerous to others and to the security of our nation.

Valerie Plame served our country by following the path of WMD's around the world. Her life was in danger as well as the lives of her co-worker/agents. This leak has possibly endangered her life, the lives of other agents (I have read that agents of those that they have worked with around the world may have lost their lives). This leak has also put her own family in danger. Woodward calls these consequences laughable, chatter, gossip.

I wonder how he would feel about this leak if it had been his wife's identity that had been exposed. I would put money on it that Woodward would go ballistic, he would be ruthless. He just can't seem to put himself in Wilson or Plame's shoes here.

Woodwards disdain and disregard for the need to hold those responsible for the leak and Fitzgerald's investigation tells me that he either has something to hide, is protecting some one else. Or is a cold, calculated and irresposible journalist who is unable to take in just how serious this is.

His statements are arrogant and irresponsible. They remind me of his flippant attitude about the failure of the MSM to investigate the endless claims that the Bush administration kept repeating that Saddam posessed WMD's. He referred to this failure "groupthink".....Bull shit Woodward knows better than that.

Woodward has become a patsy....an accomplice to the crimes..part of the pre-war team.

Posted by: kathleen at November 16, 2005 10:21 PM

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#13 TRh....former administration official no longer there.....Ari Fleisher...


I know Wurmser and John Hannah are singing to Fitzgerald. Will they run free, or will they suffer any consequences for the part that they played in passing false intelligence along the chain of fools?

Posted by: kathleen at November 16, 2005 10:30 PM

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American Soldiers

2,325 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush's evil lies.

16,000+ American soldiers have been maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush's evil lies.

40,000+ American soldiers are suffering from PTSD.

Over 100,000+ Iraqis have been killed in Iraq since Bush declared shock and awe bombings on March 19, 2003.

Are you feeling more safe and secure with Bush in the WH and Cheney as his chief hatchet man overseeing America and her people.

American elections are rigged to favor the repugnants.

We will have to see how events play out. Seymour Hersh (when he was asked to comment about the 2004 election)

Bush will declare martial law in 2008 and the elections will be suspended.

Our military men and women are used as cannon fodder for a terrorist American government.

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. George W. Bush, August 5, 2005

THE GLORY OF BUSH IS MAN FULLY DEAD!!!

This war in Iraq really pisses me off!!!!!

Rigged elections doom American democracy. American soldiers are being killed and maimed TO PROMOTE AN AMERICAN NAZI STATE.


THE GLORY OF GOD IS MAN FULLY ALIVE. St. Irenaeus

I shall pass this way but once. Any good that I can do let me do it now for I shall not pass this way again. St. Ambrose

We must work tirelessly for man to be fully alive.

Posted by: Gerald at November 16, 2005 10:37 PM

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I don't see that anyone has mentioned your buddies have appropriated (that's the fancy word for stole) the name of Christopher Lydon's company, Open Source Media, Inc. Someone did, however mention that OSM (the new, phony one) has appropriated the phrase "open source", trademarked it, and is copyrighting all their content.

So, it's not enough that you're the beard for neo-con's and crazies, they're also crooks. Hope you enjoy your 30 pieces of silver.

Posted by: DrLaniac at November 16, 2005 10:37 PM

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Wednesday, November 16, 2005

Iraqi Prisoner Abuse
Preparations for Cairo Conference

Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari revealed Tuesday that nearly 200 prisoners detained by the Ministry of the Interior had been discovered to have been tortured and half-starved.

The State Department spokesman alleged that the US does not practice torture! And said it did not expect others to do so. But surely Abu Ghraib was a signal to the Iraqi secret police as to what was permissible.

http://www.juancole.com/

Posted by: capt at November 16, 2005 11:13 PM

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the ultimate slap in the face for you know who
(and check out how many ppl voted) *AOL poll

Who is more trustworthy?
Clinton 62%
Bush 38%
Total Votes: 470,732

Who is the better president?
Clinton 67%
Bush 33%
Total Votes: 474,920

How would you describe George H.W. Bush's presidency?
Not successful 51%
Moderately successful 36%
Successful 13%
Total Votes: 168,323

How would you describe Carter's presidency?
Not successful 54%
Moderately successful 32%
Successful 14%
Total Votes: 165,838

How would you describe Nixon's presidency?
Not successful 63%
Moderately successful 26%
Successful 11%
Total Votes: 164,648

Posted by: Alan at November 16, 2005 11:29 PM

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National Security Adviser was Woodward's source, attorneys say

Larisa Alexandrovna and Jason Leopold

National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley was the senior administration official who told Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward that Valerie Plame Wilson was a CIA officer, attorneys close to the investigation and intelligence officials tell RAW STORY.

Testifying under oath Monday to Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, Woodward recounted a casual conversation he had with Hadley, these sources say. Hadley did not return a call seeking comment.

Woodward said he was told that it was Ò®o big dealÓ that former Ambassador Joseph Wilson was sent to Niger to investigate the veracity of the Bush Administration's claims that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger. According to the attorneys, he said Hadley dismissed the trip by saying his wife, a CIA officer who worked on WMD issues, had recommended him....

....In his most recent book, Bush at War, Woodward says he was given access to classified minutes of National Security Council meetings. Both Rice and Hadley were major players in these meetings.

President Bush sat for lengthy interviews for his book, often speaking about classified information, Woodward later said. The Post editor added that he was surprised by Bush's frankness.

"Certainly Richard Nixon would not have allowed reporters to question him like that,Ó he said. "Bush's father wouldn't allow it. Clinton wouldn't allow it."
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Nobody can keep their mouth shut in this administration.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 16, 2005 11:35 PM

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*Nick Lampson's campaign against Tom Delay

Dear Alan,
Today is the day.

We're just a few thousand dollars short of our goal of raising $1 million to take on Tom DeLay and his special interest friends. Now, we need your help to get over the top.

Nothing sends the message of strength like a full war chest filled by the grassroots support of thousands of people like you. That's why we're working so hard to reach this million-dollar milestone.

The momentum for change in Texas 22 is undeniable. A full 42 percent of Tom DeLay's constituents think he should resign immediately due to his ethics troubles.

How is Tom DeLay reacting to this news? Not by reaching out to the voters. Recently, it was revealed DeLay ally, Michael Scanlon, called voters who identify themselves as devout Christians "wackos". Further, Scanlon used their beliefs and values to push through a gambling effort that goes against what they stand for -- a political dirty trick if I ever saw one. DeLay has remained silent, refusing to repudiate Scanlon's statements against some of his most loyal supporters.

Instead, Tom DeLay is holding another fancy fundraiser tomorrow with his real constituents: his Washington lobbyist friends. But really, these lobbyists are not supporting Tom DeLay because they think he's a statesman. They are supporting him precisely because he is willing to skirt the law and rules of ethics to deliver for them at the expense of his own district.

Mr. DeLay, I have news for you. All the money in the world is not going to get you out of the mess you've made for yourself.

When the news that we've raised $1 million flashes around the country, we will gain new supporters and new resources. We will use that support to build an organization the likes of which Tom DeLay has never faced. We'll be on the air and on the ground, mobilizing voters and getting our positive message of change to the people. That's my commitment to you.

We're going to match our small donors against his big ones. We're going to harness the power of regular people working together against his fat cat friends. And we're going to win. Come next November, Tom DeLay will be packing his bags and heading back to Texas for good.

Sincerely,

Mike Malaise
Campaign Manager

P.S. Please forward this message to everyone you know. Invite your friends and family to join our campaign.


Posted by: Alan at November 16, 2005 11:37 PM

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Communications between Republican leaders' PACs subpoenaed

The prosecutor who indicted former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) subpoenaed documents Wednesday that purportedly show communication between DeLay's political action committee and that of Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO), who took up the reins after DeLay was forced to relinquish his post, RAW STORY has learned.

Texas prosecutor Ronnie Earle subpoenaed the bank records of DeLay's Americans for a Republican Majority PAC, which gave $75,000 to start Texans for a Republican Majority, Delay's Texas committee which is at the core of Earle's indictments.

Earle is also seeking records which allegedly show that DeLay's national PAC gave to the Missouri Republican Party and Blunt's Rely on Your Own Beliefs PAC.

Federal Election Commission records show that Blunt's PAC also paid roughly $88,000 in fees since 2003 to a consultant facing indictment in Texas in the same case as DeLay.

Jim Ellis, who worked as the Blunt fundraiser, was subpoenaed along with DeLay.

DeLay is charged with conspiracy to inappropriately use corporate contributions to redistrict Texas, further cementing Republican control of the state.
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It just gets deeper and deeper and deeper.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 16, 2005 11:40 PM

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baf-

you should change your handle to baffled because you just don't get it. your terrible wildfires that you claim are from poor management, which means clear cuts in republicantrollish, is way more complex than that. the seasonal snow pack melting up to three weeks early every spring leaves the regions so dry by late summer that it is bound to go up in flames. you don't even need that traitor Smokey the Bear to commit arson to sell off the salvage lumber anymore. A simple lightning strike is all that is needed. Of course, addressing why the snow packs continue to melt, as well as the glaciers in Glacier Bay, or the ice caps in general is something that your kind is incapable of. Scientists revealing serious problems and coming up with soultions is to close to heresy isn't it? Global warming is a farce right? Something us environmental wackos made up right? And you have the gall to say you care about your children... baffling

Posted by: ripple at November 16, 2005 11:41 PM

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baf sed:
So other than spending, I am still wondering how you could be conservative? Do you support cutting domestic programs to get spending under control?

no I don't -
I don't think domestic programs such as food stamps and welfare and what-not are the problem - by all rights there should be plenty of cash to pay for food stamps, and medical ins. for all - if corporations hadn't been exerting their undue influence on policy makers for decades now, everything would probably have been hunky dory -

Posted by: James Ha at November 16, 2005 11:46 PM

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Judge Finds Post Reporter in Contempt


By PETE YOST

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal judge found Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus in contempt Wednesday, saying the journalist must reveal his government sources for stories about the criminal investigation of nuclear scientist Wen Ho Lee.

U.S. District Judge Rosemary Collyer said that ``in order to avoid a repetition of the Judith Miller imbroglio,'' Pincus must contact his sources to inform them of the court's order in case they wish to release him from his pledge of confidentiality.

The ruling is the latest example of court-ordered pressure on journalists to reveal their confidential sources.

Relying on anonymous sources, Pincus and reporters for other news organizations in 1999 identified Lee as the focus of a criminal investigation into the possible theft of nuclear secrets on behalf of China.

Never charged with espionage and eventually allowed to plead guilty to a single count of mishandling computer files, Lee is seeking the identity of the reporters' sources for his lawsuit against the departments of Energy and Justice. Lee says the government improperly disclosed personal information about him in violation of the Privacy Act.

``The transcendent importance of a free press is that reporters can report the news and express opinions without fear of government oppression or interference,'' Collyer wrote. ``The right to keep confidential an anonymous source is not 'transcendent' in the same sense; this is clear because the privilege is qualified even under the stirring language of the Constitution.''

This month, a federal appeals court rejected four journalists' appeal of a judge's order directing them to testify about their confidential sources in the Lee case.

The reporters are H. Josef Hebert of The Associated Press, James Risen of The New York Times, Robert Drogin of the Los Angeles Times and Pierre Thomas, formerly of CNN and now of ABC.

``Mr. Pincus is no less important as a potential witness concerning government leaks than the journalists from other media outlets, and the court finds no basis to reach a different decision concerning him.''
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This is an interesting case. It was discussed on Democracy Now. The case against Lee looked like it was trumped up.


Posted by: Jeanne at November 16, 2005 11:47 PM

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I love the way this government diagnoses people from afar. Maybe Frist can be of service here.
------------------------------------------
CIA says Castro has Parkinson's disease

The CIA has concluded that Cuban President Fidel Castro suffers from Parkinson's disease and could have difficulty coping with the duties of office as his condition worsens, an official said on Wednesday.

The assessment, completed in recent months, suggests the nonfatal but debilitating disease has progressed far enough to warrant questions among U.S. policymakers about the communist country's future in the next several years.

"The assessment is that he has the disease and that his condition has progressed. There appear to be more outward signs," said an official who is familiar with the assessment.

Bush administration officials and members of Congress have already been briefed on the findings about Castro. The Cuban leader, 79, has been in power on the island of 11 million people since leading a 1959 revolution and has long been at ideological odds with Washington.


But U.S. diplomats played down the significance of any CIA assessment and said they were not using such intelligence to make policy decisions about Castro or Cuba.


"Do we see him losing his grip over the country? No," said a State Department official, who asked not to be named because he was discussing intelligence conclusions. "We are not in any way adapting how we plan for the day Castro is gone based on an assessment that he might have Parkinson's."


The CIA based its assessment on a variety of evidence, including observations of Castro's public appearances and the opinions of doctors employed by the espionage agency.
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This administration wants to get into Cuba soooo bad.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 16, 2005 11:53 PM

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#55 alan, as the night lurches on, the numbers stay steady AGAINST the possibility that bush will ever recover.

Who is the better president?
Clinton 67%
Bush 33%
Total Votes: 506,533

Who is more trustworthy?
Clinton 62%
Bush 38%
Total Votes: 502,017

Posted by: anti-bush/pro-democracy at November 16, 2005 11:59 PM

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I don't know what 'conservative' means to anyone else, but to me it means 'one who saves' -

oh I just looked it up: 'favoring preservation of the existing order' - fuckin no wonder.

Posted by: James Ha at November 17, 2005 12:02 AM

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Have they even looked at Bush? He cannot even act like he is 80, I think Fidel would smoke Bush one on one.

I mean come on? They should be far more worried about Bush and what he has done than what Fidel might have. Fidel is very old. He will have many ailments related to just the advanced years, the GOP seem to think that is okay (S Thurman?)

capt


Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 12:05 AM

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Capt,
I think Bush has a greater problem with selective memory.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 17, 2005 12:13 AM

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As I understand polls, the larger the sample the more accurate the representation. Large enough samples can be taken with more assurance of accuracy.


That means a 500K sample is probably pretty close to a true representation of the projected total.

Harder to skew by over-representation in a large sample.(too many m/f d/r type thing in a small sample) minimum sample surveys are the least accurate. They like to use 1,000 (the minimum).

Those kind of numbers do not bode well for commander dummypants. I bet his thong is in a wad.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 12:14 AM

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Anybody with an eye for fiscal sanity can call themselves a conservative, if you believe in conservation (the environment, natural resources, even energy) you are a conservative.

The way they "market" conservatism one might think you have to be pro-war, pro-death penalty, anti-choice, evangelical, anti-evolution, homo-hating ditto head with a stick up the arse.

That is the neocon dream. Convince conservatives that they must support a radical agenda or they are drummed out as "libruls" (the target of their insecurity about being ignorant to the truth).

I can say many liberals, progressives, democrats, indy's, etc are also far more conservative than this administration. Clearly more conservative than any neocon troll. Even the very juvenile ones.

I posted a piece about "traditional" conservative values a thread or two back. Nothing conservative about this WH or much of the GOP. Not these days.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 12:23 AM

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Clinton says Iraq was a mistke

Presidents are supposed to be limited to two terms. But, since he has been out of office after two terms, would Clinton be eligible to run in 2008?

We need a president who can put together at least three words and not sound stupid. Why do I have a problem with Bush's language development?

Posted by: Gerald at November 17, 2005 12:40 AM

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From Wiki:

American Conservatism is a heterogenous political movement that incorporates many different ideologies under the blanket heading of conservative. Included are social conservatives, economic conservatives, and religious conservatives. Modern American conservatism coalesced in the latter half of the 20th Century, initially in response to the years of political and social change associated with the New Deal, World War II, the Cold War, the civil rights movement, and the women's liberation movement.

*********

We are all liberals, we are all conservatives, we are that meltingpot of heritage, race and religion that makes America a strong country by tolerance and understanding of our differences and our common quest for freedom, justice and a more perfect union.

That rules our most politicians and power players.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 12:41 AM

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Capt, I don't think those labels mean anything, they are just a source of contention. Tell me, who doesn't want these things for our country;

1 High quality, equal education for our children
2 Safety and security
3 Affordable healthcare
4 Jobs that afford a good standard of life
5 Freedom of speech
6 Justice for all
7 Honesty in Govt.
8 Assistance for those disabled
9 Charity for those in need
10 freedom to choose
11 A healthy environment to pass on to the next generation.
I could go on. These are the things everyone wants and needs. This separation through labels just muddies the waters. What the hell are we fighting for? Left, right, liberal, conservative. It makes no sense. Politicians seem to be on a mission to divide us. Why are people comparing bush and clinton? Neither one is good for the country.

Posted by: Saladin at November 17, 2005 12:58 AM

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#55 alan, as the night lurches on, the numbers stay steady AGAINST the possibility that bush will ever recover.

hey hey I'm still reading the posts, so lemme guess... Baf(fled) or the Professor has dismissed the poll because it wasn't 'scientific'. But then, the 'real' scientific ones have the same kind of results. haha I take these AOL polls serious simply because of the sheer number of voters. That's half-a-fkn-MILLION maaaan! Ima spark one up! *laughs*

Posted by: Alan at November 17, 2005 12:59 AM

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Those kind of numbers do not bode well for commander dummypants. I bet his thong is in a wad.

*coughs and chokes*
dammmmmit Capt, you should give us a warning when you're gonna pop one of those out! I almost choked laughing so hard. "thong"

Posted by: Alan at November 17, 2005 01:04 AM

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I thought thong would go with commander codpiece but it seemed a little over the top?

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 01:06 AM

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"Ima spark one up! *laughs*"

Wait a minute, I ' ll match you!

capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 01:08 AM

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*noticed I said "cough" first, and then "choke"?

Last time you cracked mah azz up, it was just a "choke". hint hint

Posted by: Alan at November 17, 2005 01:18 AM

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Bush backs Cheney: says Democratic questioning not patriotic but "irresponsible"


GYEONGJU, South Korea President Bush says it's not patriotic for Democrats to question his use of pre-Iraq-war intelligence, it's "irresponsible."

In the latest escalation of the verbal battle over Iraq, the president backed Vice President Cheney's denunciation of Democrats who voted for the war, but now say Bush misled them.

At a news conference in South Korea, Bush was asked if he agrees with Republican Senator Chuck Hagel that questioning the reasoning for war is patriotic -- or Cheney. He shot back, "the vice president."

Bush says he expects criticism. But he says lawmakers are "playing politics" if they saw the same intelligence he did and voted to support the use of force, but now say he was dishonest.

He added that winning the Iraq conflict is "serious business" -- and is being undermined by the partisanship.

*****end of clip*****

"Every government is run by liars. Nothing they say should be believed." ~ I.F. Stone 1907-1989


capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 01:31 AM

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This was from Nov. 11 and posted, before Doofus dis'd our military with his 'lie speech' on Veterans Day. Here's hoping you get to read alot more about this guy (cause he had beaten Hot-tub Tom) Last graf of his post...

Speak Up For Our Veterans

Our government will never be perfect, and we will never be able to adequately repay the dedication and service of our veterans. There is nothing nobler than risking your life for your country. But Congress has an obligation that it has not fulfilled when it comes to our veterans. Members of Congress must stop looking at veterans as people who look good in the background of a press conference, and we should again make them a priority when it comes to our federal budget. Congress should stop treating veterans like they're asking for a hand out when it comes to the benefits they were promised, and they should realize that, were it not for these veterans, there would be nothing to hand out. I hope you will do more than reflect upon the service of our veterans over this weekend. I hope you will speak up on their behalf.

Posted by: Alan at November 17, 2005 01:36 AM

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Raw Story has the leaker according to an attorney as Hadley.

The Left Coaster comments this pulls the Plame affair right into the Oval Office. The present NSA advisor leaked a CIA agents name who worked for the Operations side for political purposes As Corn reports Hadley was also in Italy at the same time the forgeries showed up. And it turns out that Hadley was the person who let the uranium 16 words into Bush's State of the Union. His excuse at the time: he forgot the CIA had wanted it left out.

That Hadley sure appears into this over his eyebrows.

Posted by: Easter Lemming Liberal News at November 17, 2005 01:44 AM

Posted by: Alan at November 17, 2005 01:46 AM

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That Hadley sure appears into this over his eyebrows.

uh huh, and by inference, CONDI
I wanna see that bitch go down too!

Posted by: Alan at November 17, 2005 01:50 AM

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From #80

"I called Carl Bernstein to ask what he thought of his old partnerÕs behavior. He was loyal as ever but he did say something very revealing -- and unintentionally damning. ÒThis investigation,Ó he told me, Òhas cast a constant searchlight that the White House canÕt turn off the way it has succeeded in turning off the press. So their methodology and their dishonesty and their disingenuousness -- particularly about how we went to war -- as well as their willingness to attack and rough up people who donÕt agree with them are now there for all to see. They canÕt turn off this searchlight, which is shining on a White House that runs a media apparatus so sophisticated in discrediting its critics it makes the Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Ziegler press shop look like a small-time operation.Ó And these are the very thugs that Woodward was protecting while attacking the guy operating the searchlight. "


********

Huffington can get on my nerves at times, other times I would give her a high five.

High fives on the link from #80!

High officials getting caught for high crimes is just too cool for school!

Thanks


capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 01:54 AM

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Under the War Powers Act which the Senate authorized Bush to take us to war, are there not provisions that could force the pres to relinquish power back to the Senate? Does anyone know much about this law? If enough people start demanding timetables, and Dems regain the Senate, isn't there a way we could force this war to end regardless of bush and cheney? God they make me sick when they say the future of freedom depends on who wins in iraq. as if anyone can win a war. as if freedom and democracy is what is being fought for.

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 02:07 AM

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That scene at the end will make ya fall outta your chair...
Daily Show/Chalabi


Posted by: Alan at November 17, 2005 02:12 AM

85

hahahaha Y'all gotta see the picture of "Judy Woodward" at Billmon !@#$%

Posted by: Alan at November 17, 2005 02:34 AM

86

http://aliberaldose.blogspot.com/

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 02:37 AM

87

Are we there yet?

*cheney 'toon


Posted by: Alan at November 17, 2005 02:50 AM

88

#85
That is so funny. Billmon you are bad.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 17, 2005 02:50 AM

89

Sex, shopping and the death of a regime


And so begins the inexorable march towards another neo-liberal paradise in the Middle East. If Lebanese journalist Rami Khoury argues that the joint goal of President George W Bush, French President Jacques Chirac and through them the United Nations is to "whittle away Syrian sovereignty", such an enterprise won't be accomplished by Security Council resolutions and border intrusions alone.

Prying open the Syrian economy to the neo-liberal, globalized economy is both a core strategy and one of the primary goals of this process. And it is shared by the United States, France and a fair number of Arab and Syrian entrepreneurs as well.

Indeed, against Emaar's drive to "build a global property-related brand", the Ba'ath Party's "Unity, Freedom, Socialism" doesn't stand much of a chance. The best Assad can offer his people, as he explained in a March 5 speech, is "the protection of national and pan-Arab interests through adherence to our identity, independence, loyalty to our principles and beliefs ... [while] dealing realistically with emergent challenges and developments".

But while Assad offers to "protect our political and social stability", Emaar offers luxury, service and profits. We don't need to guess who will win here, especially when the price for Assad's stability is an authoritarian regime, an economy that is in a shambles - near negative growth, key industries losing more than a quarter of their income in the past year alone - and increasing political and economic ostracization.

*****end of clip*****

Luxury, service and profits. I wonder if they are willing to realize the cost of neo-liberal (we call neocon) "profit is truth" mentality?

capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 02:59 AM

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Bob Woodward just tore out your guts, didn't he?

I can hardly wait to read more of your whinning and crying.

You CornNuts are ... well ... CORNNUTS.

This is to funny.

God you guys are dumb.

Posted by: soko at November 17, 2005 03:13 AM

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No soko my guts are fully intact. Death to facist!!! You know who you are!!!

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 03:17 AM

92

AND to the fascists too!!! Damnit I can't spell but my guts are intact. Give me a guitar.

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 03:19 AM

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No healthy adult between the ages of 18 & 65 should ever get anything free for any reason ... ever!!!

If you can't feed your self, do the rest of the country a favor and starve to death, rather than sucking the life, like a parasite, from hard working productive Americans.

Posted by: Randall at November 17, 2005 03:29 AM

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All hail the Ubermensch! Right Randall?

Fascist scum, you care nothing about people, but you you come here seeking validation for your hatred? Who has offended you by getting something for free? Please tell us, because it must be devistating to you. Is it the "liberated" Iraqis who are getting free educations from the American taxpayers? Or is it the welfare single mother downtown?

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 03:44 AM

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It's a little strange, but two songs keep circling around my brain........."stop children, whats that sound everbody look whats going down....paranoia strikes deep...into your mind it will creep :, and "could be the third world, doesn't speak the language, holds no currency"....

From a purely musical perspective.........this can't be good.

We are still participants in torture. Asked or not. That we are not doing this on our own soil doesn't render it moot.

One last lyric "time won't let me.......wait that long".

I NEVER again want to see our own chanting HELP US, HELP US, HELP US! My decorated dad turned in his grave..........my horror was complete.

We need to get hold of this right the hell now. This is a nation on the brink of collapse.

Nero fiddled while Rome burned, I suspect Shrub boy will have a few drinks and strum his guitar.

Our leader is distancing himself from his brain...........Lord Give us a SIGN......

To whom do we owe the most money?.......China. What did Bush do yesterday?.........Insult them. Where is he now?...........China.

Can you say Duh............bya?

Is someone likely to take a shot at this person? very probably, did he ask for this.............for sure? What does it cost this nation to protect this loose cannon (diplomatically speaking)? What will be the sum total of his impact on United States Foreign Policy?

Good question.

And then, there is the economy.

Aparently our energy policy was decided by big oil. Who knew????

Forgive the pun; but I suspect a delay..........in answering this one.

The Republican response to anything they have been accused of............is to counter accuse.

Does this strike anyone besides me as supremely childish and unproductive? I know I am but so are you.............yeah..helpful.

I humbly submit that the American people are not nearly as dumb as our elected officials assume.

I sure as hell hope so, anyway.

Posted by: titchaba at November 17, 2005 03:54 AM

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You're such a prick Randall to come here with that shit. You think it's ok to starve someone because they are having a hard time? Foodstamps is that what pisses you off? You're pissed because this country kinda takes care of those who are the least among us? You act like this is such a strain on the hard working productive Americans, have you ever looked at how much of your hard earned money goes to the military corporate industrial complex? Have you seen our trade deficit with China? Are you paying any attention at all to your surroundings? You are seriously misguided.

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 03:57 AM

97

Randall do you have balls?

titchaba brings up a good point. You think people who benefit from foodstamps are parasites, but tell us how you feel about the tax breaks for big oil companies? Should they be given ""tax incentives" to explore for more oil on public lands?

Are these types of give aways acceptable? Are you a fascist or just stupid? I'd really like to know.

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 04:03 AM

98

Matthew 25:40
"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'


Matthew 25:45
"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

*******

Think before you speak. Demon child.

Kill the disabled? The children? War orphans? The sick, the infirmed, nobody deserves to live but the able, the perfect, the healthy?

What kind of heartless bastards think like this?

Tragic, the fascist brown-shirts are goose stepping themselves to hell on the foul words they spew without a care?

Jesus reads blogs too you knunckleheads. I leave it to you to explain what your hate has done to your souls. Being forgiven means not being forgotten.(consider the record you make posting such hate) You will answer for you words and deeds in time.

I guess a quadraplegic veteran should just have someone unplug their iron lung? Little Hitler youths would treat those who have served with more respect.

capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 04:03 AM

99

i capt.

I'll never let them spew their filth here, and we all know we can count on you to do the same.

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 04:07 AM

100

What kind of people even say such a thing in jest let alone intimate such a thing with sincerity?

Kkkristo-fascists.


They make the "love thy enemies" thing a challenge.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 04:16 AM

101

Kkkristo-effin-fascists

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 04:19 AM

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ripple,

You probably are one of those food stamp fucks that's to lazy to get off your ass and do something productive. I LOVE it that we spend billions on the military. They REALLY WORK, keeping you alive and free to bitch at them and everyone else that allows a puke like you to run your mouth.

I LOVE it when big business gets tax breaks so they can hire guys like me so I can pay for lazy assholes like you.

Posted by: Randall at November 17, 2005 04:23 AM

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Americans Are Running Out of Patience With Their War President


by Eric Margolis


Who ever advised President George Bush to escape the storm of criticism he faces over Hurricane Katrina, Iraq, and the Libby CIA case by flying to Argentina for a free trade summit should be sent in chains to Guantanamo.

BushÕs venture was an embarrassing diplomatic failure and the most humiliating fiasco faced by a US president in Latin America since Vice President Richard Nixon got mobbed in 1958. Bush was left looking isolated and confused, while his nemesis, VenezuelaÕs boisterous merengue-marxist leader, Hugo Chavez, rallied Latinos to his side and gleefully mocked the US president.

Now, Bush has returned to Washington rent by factional warfare, growing outrage over Bush-CheneyÕs defense of torture, and new polls showing a majority of Americans believe the president deceived the US into war.

The long-simmering conflict between AmericaÕs national security establishment and neoconservative extremists burst into public with the criminal indictment of VP Dick CheneyÕs powerful neocon chief of staff, Lewis Libby, for perjury and obstruction of justice in the Valerie Plame CIA case.

The FBIÕs Libby investigation could produce a blizzard of embarrassing evidence of how the White HouseÕs neocon Praetorian Guard engineered the US into war. So bad is the mood in Washington, a member of CIAÕs founding families calls the neocons "fifth columnists."

When I was a US GI, we were taught the Conventions were sacred. They protected all at war, as CIAÕs renowned former chief in Afghanistan, Milt Bearden, so brilliantly observed in a recent article.

But those little Torquemadas of the modern Inquisition, Bush and Cheney, who both dodged regular military service in wartime, claim the Geneva Conventions are bunk.

Bush actually threatened to veto McCainÕs bill. Cheney keeps advocating torture. Even KGB would have been embarrassed. Americans will one day look back on this period with the same revulsion and shame as they do on McCarthyÕs era.

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Like I always say no conservative worth his or her salt would ever have supported the insult of a politician that is shining the seat in the oval office.

The honest people hate liars and failures of which Bush/Cheney are prime examples.

capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 04:32 AM

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right

big tough guy no likey the little parasites

you're a fucking phoney Randall, if you're a real fascist let's see some credentials. Who's your favorite corporation?

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 04:36 AM

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capt, you moronic douche-bag

Capt said:
Kill the disabled? The children? War orphans? The sick, the infirmed


I SAID:
No healthy adult between the ages of 18 & 65.

LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU RUN YOUR MOUTH

Posted by: Randall at November 17, 2005 04:37 AM

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Poor linking - the right link is:

Americans Are Running Out of Patience With Their War President


capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 04:39 AM

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Randall, would you suck your fufrer's cock if he paid you? Is that the kind of production you're into? WHO DO YOU WORK FOR TOUGH GUY?

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 04:40 AM

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Iraqi guards seen as death squads


These days, the streets of Dolay and adjoining neighborhoods of the Hurriya district look like battle zones in a civil war. Many Sunni businesses, including the tire repair shop once run by Abu Yusuf's cousins, never open. Remaining Sunnis in Dolay have closed off their side streets with barricades of logs, debris and razor wire. At night, neighbors stand guard with assault rifles, and sometimes battle police.

Life is miserable, too, for those who fled, Abu Yusuf said. "We are living like refugees in Tarmiya or Taji," Sunni towns north of Baghdad, "and we have no money because we had to leave our businesses behind," he said.

The Bush administration says a buildup of Iraq's army and police is helping to stabilize the country and ultimately will permit a U.S. withdrawal. "As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down," President George W. Bush told troops at Fort Bragg, N.C., this summer.

In the past year, the U.S. military has helped build up the commandos under guidance from James Steele, a former Army Special Forces officer who led U.S. counterinsurgency efforts in El Salvador in the 1980s. Salvadoran army units trained by Steele's team were accused of a pattern of atrocities.

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So another of our death squad/torture guys is the guidance over this new mess?

Figures.

capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 04:42 AM

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Yeah Capt.

He wouldn't starve an honorable vet, that would APPEAR unpatriotic. That would go directly against fascist nationalistic propaganda rules. He's more into starving like a 37 year old single mother of four who is laid off because outsourcing is good for our economy. Parasite he calls them, like the Jew in Poland and Germany and Austria about 70 years ago. They are parasites feeding on his hard working superman productivity.

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 04:47 AM

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Gen Pinochet 'fit to stand trial'


Former Chilean leader Augusto Pinochet is fit to stand trial on human rights charges, a prosecutor has said.


Hernan Quezada said court-appointed psychiatrists concluded Gen Pinochet "simulated" to exaggerate his mental health problems

Gen Pinochet, who no longer has legal immunity, can now be indicted over the deaths of dissidents during his regime.

He has so far avoided trial on several charges including fraud and tax evasion because of ill health.

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Check out the picture at the link, the future of Bunnypants is written all over that picture.

capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 04:50 AM

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"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength." ~ Eric Hoffer (1902 - 1983)

"We all have strength enough to endure the misfortunes of others." ~ Francois de La Rochefoucauld (1613 - 1680)

One can only hate the familiar. All hate is self loathing. Poor guy, eh?


capt

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 04:53 AM

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I pity the fool! (Mr. T)

Posted by: capt at November 17, 2005 04:54 AM

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Want all lose all
Then I know the wicked must fall

Randall - Craven a go choke puppy

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 04:58 AM

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ripple,

Any huge CAPITALIST CONGLOMERATE that HIRES WORKING AMERICANS will do, you socialist piece of shit.

It is confirmed ... 99.90% of you CornNuts have diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain.

Posted by: Randall at November 17, 2005 05:00 AM

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Don't you have a rally to go to, Randall?

maybe you're just too phoney to make it. you can't even say who your favorite corp is huh? complete phoney.

Well, I love you man, I hope you can dig that you big tough guy. I can forgive you, but judgement does come. You should try to get right before it's too late.

Posted by: ripple at November 17, 2005 05:15 AM

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ripple

Blah, blah, blah ... you definitely have a real bad case of diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain.

ps

Any NON UNION COMPANY WILL DO. Of course I do pity those companies that have had socialism shoved down their throats.

Posted by: Randall at November 17, 2005 05:36 AM

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I love the idea of Podhoretz saying bloggers would have rescued the US from the MSM defeat spin on the Tet offensive.
How would Poddy II feel about bloggers having been in Israel in 1948 �when the MSM described the Palestinians "freely leaving their homes in response to directives from arab leaders."

Posted by: skip at November 17, 2005 08:40 AM

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#93 Randall...I bet you call yourself a christian too.

To the folks who still have a conscience (randall, if you do not realize it, you are not on that list) Let's not forget to keep the pressure on our representatives in regard to PHASE II of the SSCI.(senate select committee on intelligence). Specifically Roberts and Rockerfeller.

Posted by: kathleen at November 17, 2005 08:44 AM

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I would have brought up the fiasco of the 1982 elections in El Salvadore that the MSM said were so fair & glorious. Bloggers might have brought up the fact that there were only 13 polling places in the entire country and that peoples' national id cards would show whether the person had voted or not. National Guard goons moonlighting as death squads enforcing a very real "vote or die" policy. No mention of these facts in the US media, just long lines at the polling places - democracy on the march, etc.

Posted by: Larry at November 17, 2005 08:45 AM

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Larry, and lets not forget that bloggers are the only ones that even seem to remember that 9/11 happened, and is the foundation of this disaster they call "democracy on the march."

Posted by: Saladin at November 17, 2005 10:01 AM

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From: Libby Out, Two New
NeoCons In - And Why
Saddam Was Deleted

Another behind-the-scenes Neocon is Dr. Edward Luttwak, scholar, author and Pentagon advisor. His name does not pop up much but he nonetheless figures as an important Neoconservative theorist.

I was surprised to see his name and his comments in print in Neoconned Again, page 30, in an article written by Maurizio Blondet about Iraq and was included in the revealing Neoconned and Neoconned Again books. If you have not read them, I highly recommend that you do.

This is cited from page 29-30 of Neoconned Again:

"I put through a call to Dr. Edward Luttwak, the internationally renowned author, lecturer, historian, military strategist and Pentagon consultant. Well-known in political circles in Italy, he had studied the military power of the Roman Empire here and was thus well able to express himself in Italian. I asked him whether the White House really was prepared to invade Iraq with all of its attendant risks? "We are very serious," he answered. He continued: "We are going to bomb Iraq back into the Stone Age." But why is this necessary, I answered, finding Luttwak's bluntness somewhat at variance with his reputation for subtle thinking and expression. Almost warming to the subject, he continues:

"Saddam is not like the Saudi Princes who spend the bulk of their lives outside of their country, and who fritter away the Kingdom's oil profits on prostitutes and bottles of champagne in Paris. No, Saddam is building railways! Creating electrical networks! Highways and other important elements of a serious State infrastructure! After eights years of war against the Iranian regime of Khomeini, he desperately needs to demobilize his Republican Guard, which incorporates so many of this technical elite, in order to rebuild the war-devastated country. These people are his technicians, his engineers. If they are put to work in the way Saddam wishes, they will rapidly make Iraq the most advanced power in the region, and we cannot allow this to happen."

That comment was made in 2002 well in advance of the invasion of Iraq. Note that Mr. Luttwak used the pronoun "we" as he is part of the group that was going after an objective.
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Very informative article.

Posted by: Saladin at November 17, 2005 10:22 AM

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From the same article.

In Neoconned it is clear that even during Desert Storm in 1991, and during the period of economic sanctions and "No Fly Zones", the United States and Great Britain were targeting non-military sites like water pumping stations, municipal waste treatment facilities, dams, hydroelectric generation stations, schools, hospitals, oil and gas infrastructure, et cetera to blast Iraq into the "stone age" and keep them there. Any target that was beneficial to quality of life was hit, and one million Iraqis died during that period due mainly to rampant disease, poor sanitation, diminished health care and dangerous drinking water. Called by any other name, that is still genocide. It shames this nation and infuriates the world against our abusive and inhumane policies.

Such a policy has nothing to do with U.S. National Security, it has everything to do with Saudi and Israeli security. It has to do with keeping the status quo in Arab nations at is lowest common denominator, that being wealth for an elite few and mind-numbing poverty for the vast majority of their citizens. Such a policy has resulted in close to one million Iraqis dying during the U.S. - U.N. sanctions alone, not to mention how many were killed in Gulf War I and II. Even machinery to grind flour was denied by the U.S. under the excuse of being "dual use" technology, though no arms programs were in progress, period. Medicines, chlorine for water treatment, diapers, needles, medical and dental supplies, farm equipment and many other items were arbitrarily denied by the U.S. and U.K. while those Iraqis were dying as a result of our negligence and malignant attitude. Malicious and malevolent are words that fit our policies towards Iraq over the past twenty five years. Anything related to quality of life was denied because the end game was to crush a country that was becoming an embarrassment to the other Arab nations.
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Both the bush and clinton administrations were engaging in this disgusting policy. But America is still sound asleep.

Posted by: Saladin at November 17, 2005 10:32 AM

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Kiss the Booboos

We know in recent reports that Bush only or basically talks to four women. One of the women is his mother, Barbara "Nutcracker" Bush. She is the one who does not let her beautiful mind worry about the dead and body bags. Maybe Bush has received all his compassion from his mommy dearest.

Bush talks to his mother so she can kiss the booboos away. Throughout his life Bush, the spoiled brat, has had his mother kiss many booboos away. Now he still wants his mother to kiss the booboos away.

There is only one problem. The booboos that she has to kiss away can never be kissed away. You cannot kiss away booboos for over 2,000 killed soldiers, 16,000+ maimed soldiers, 100,000+ Iraqis killed, chemical weapons used in Iraq, mass murders, mass tortures, and many, many war crimes. The Nutcracker cannot kiss those booboos away.

Posted by: Gerald at November 17, 2005 10:33 AM

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Maybe Bob Woodward should be investigated...he had no qualms about being an aggressive naysayer about the whole matter and it looks as though he had inside information that could have helped get to the bottom of this from the beginning...he even withheld info from his employer...Woodward is a part of TRAITORGATE...

At this point many people are saying, "hofuckinghum" who cares?? Regarding who ISN'T the person who told Woodward Plame's identity: Lots of claims of "not me" by their flack, lawyer, or Woodward himself. It's NOT: George Tenet, Colin Powell, GWB, Dan Bartlett, Andrew Card, Karl Rove or Scooter Libby.

So is it Dick Cheney? Ari Fleischer? Most likely more than one someone is lying. Imagine that.

They all make me sick.

Posted by: micki at November 17, 2005 10:39 AM

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Brock=Antoine=Bill=Randall

Ignore it.

Posted by: micki at November 17, 2005 10:41 AM

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Amen micki!

Posted by: Saladin at November 17, 2005 10:43 AM

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It isn't your fault, David, that Pudhairs let his sister marry an agent of genocide.

Let him masticate on his family's complicity in mass-murder. There's not enough neo-convict Binaca in the WORLD to get THAT taste out of mouth. The truth hurts...let it FLY!

Now, I've got to go wash the squeeze Cheeze off the Jeep!

-T

Posted by: Hajji at November 17, 2005 10:44 AM

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ÒWhat bothers me is when people are irresponsibly using their positions and playing politics.Ó Ð bloviated GWB as he denounces those who speak out against his administrationÕs path to war.

Damn straight, George! Take a look in the mirror!
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(Amen is right, Saladin!)

Posted by: micki at November 17, 2005 10:46 AM

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Bush's troubles mount as Republican defections increase

By DOUG THOMPSON
Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue
Nov 17, 2005, 08:15


A private poll recently commissioned by Republican leaders shows the GOP would lose control of both the House and Senate if midterm elections were held today and supports mounting evidence that the party must distance itself from President Bush if it wants to hold on to Congressional control in 2006.

GOP strategists who have seen the poll warn House and Senate leaders that BushÕs numbers will continue to fall and there may be no way the party can avoid catastrophe as long as the President remains in office.

"IÕve never seen anger like this in the American populace," says political scientist George Harleigh, who served in the Nixon administration. "ThereÕs an old rule in politics that says no slide is irreversible. The PresidentÕs declining numbers suggest he will go down in history as the exception to that rule."

Increasingly, GOP candidates for office Ð both incumbent and challengers Ð tell the White House and the national campaign committee they