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November 02, 2005

Bush and the CIA Leak: Why Not Tell All?

In a letter sent to George W. Bush today, Senator Harry Reid and Representative Nancy Pelosi, the two Democratic leaders in Congress, called on Bush to "remove the cloud that hangs" over his presidency. Specifically, they wrote,

We believe that you should honor your promise to the American people and fire all of those who treated the officer's identity with such reckless disregard for the consequences. It is totally unacceptable that anyone involved in the unauthorized disclosure of the identity of a CIA officer, including your Deputy Chief of Staff, Karl Rove, should remain employed at the White House with a security clearance.

The serious charges in the indictment against Mr. Libby raise a number of questions to which the American people are entitled to have answers. Among these questions are the extent of Vice President Cheney's role in disclosing the identity of the CIA operative, and the degree of knowledge that you and the Vice President had of efforts by members of your senior staff to make the officer's identity public.

We believe that it is in the best interest of the nation for the facts on this matter to be brought fully before the American people. We urge you and Vice President Cheney to support full congressional investigations and to make yourselves available to respond to questions on these matters.

The Dems are fighting back in the wake of the Libby indictment--perhaps partly out of (justifiable) frustration over the fact that the Fitzgerald investigation may not lead to a public accounting of what transpired in the leak affair. But there is one slight problem in their letter. They ask Bush and Cheney to support "full congressional investigations" regarding the leak scandal. But there are no inquiries under way for them to endorse, and congressional Republicans are highly unlikely to initiate any. The Phase II report--over which Ds and Rs in the Senate tussled yesterday--does not cover the Plame/CIA leak. Its chief focus was supposed to be the White House's use--or abuse--of the prewar intelligence. This is a topic not unrelated to the leak, but the Phase II study does not encompass the leak.

So Reid and Pelosi should be calling on Bush to call for congressional investigations of the leak. But if Bush really wanted the public to know what happened (and wanted to save the taxpayers money), he could simply have his White House come clean. He could order all his aides to state publicly what they did or witnessed and what they told the grand jury. (It's not illegal for witnesses to talk about their testimony.) And he and Cheney could do the same. After all, if everyone told the truth, there would be no need for any congressional investigation. Now why wouldn't Bush back an initiative like that?

Posted by David Corn at November 2, 2005 03:16 PM

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Basic Trust

I have shared with you some information regarding a paradox. I will now stress the importance of basic trust in the eight stages of human development. The Bush misadministration has been a very secretive cabal because Bush does not possess basic trust which should have been instilled in his formative years. He and his brothers have nicknamed their mother, "Nutcracker." This nickname should be quite revealing to you. Everything the misadministration does is done in secret. Some secrecy in government is necessary but with Bush it is an obsession of a sick person.

The eighth stage and the last stage is integrity. Integrity is reached about the age of forty-five. For a person to reach integrity everything starts with basic trust. You pass through the various stages. In Bush's life age forty-five is about the time he found God and said that he would not be a drunk. A dozen years later he becomes president through fraud and rigged elections. Bush is a nutcase but more seriously he displays a depraved indifference toward living human beings. It is my perceptual opinion that Bush is close to becoming an insane person. He is too sick to lead a democracy. He will do all in his power to bring down American democracy. Everything that he touches becomes demented and deranged. You see as Americans the unraveling of insane policies from an insane or close to insane person.

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 03:50 PM

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Nov. 2 "Drive Out the Bush Regime" Gets Major Endorsements
by Drive Out the Bush Regime

info@worldcantwait.org

Howard Zinn, Code Pink, Mumia Abu-Jamal are among those endorsing day of walk outs and mobilizations Nov 2, anniversary of Bush's "re"-election, to drive his regime out of office. Local actions are along Wilshire Bl - noon to 8 pm.

Walk outs at noon from work and schools, demonstrations, direct actions.

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at November 2, 2005 03:57 PM

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US military Casualties

W.W.II -- 295,000

Vietnam War -- 58,202

United States Civil War -- 620,000
Battle of Gettysburg -- 46,000

Iraq war on terrorism -- 2,000

Fortunately for the USA, the war on terrorism being fought in Iraq is nothing like the Vietnam war. Anyone who even mentions them in the same breath is ignorant or a liar.

The Bush administration has waged the most successful, urgent, essential, necessary military action in the history of the United States.

Keep up the excellent work Mr. President. We all appreciate what you are doing for us.

Posted by: Allison at November 2, 2005 04:03 PM

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David, The PlameGate issue is inextricably linked to the lies in the run-up to the war. It will be impossible to investigate one without having an investigation about the other. In fact, Plame's outing is merely the end portion of a series of events that began with trumped up war intelligence: http://greyhairsblog.blogspot.com/2005/11/yellowcake-maze-4th-edition.html I know you know this. Why be coy?

Posted by: Mike at November 2, 2005 04:14 PM

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White House Ducks Prewar Intel Questions" By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press

The White House sought to deflect politically charged questions Wednesday about President Bush's use of prewar intelligence in Iraq, saying Democrats, too, had concluded Saddam Hussein was a threat.

"If Democrats want to talk about the threat that Saddam Hussein posed and the intelligence, they might want to start with looking at the previous administration and their own statements that they've made," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

He said the Clinton administration and fellow Democrats "used the intelligence to come to the same conclusion that Saddam Hussein and his regime were a threat." [...]

[...]Roberts' committee produced a 511-page report in 2004 on flaws in an Iraq intelligence estimate assembled by the country's top analysts in October 2002, and he promised a second phase would look at issues that *couldn't be finished in the first year of work.

The committee has worked on the second phase of the review, Roberts said, but it has not finished. He blamed Democrats for the delays and said his staff had informed Democratic counterparts on Monday that the committee hoped to complete the second phase next week.

"Now we have this ... stunt 24 hours after their staff was informed that we were moving to closure next week," a clearly angry Roberts told reporters. "If that's not politics, I'm not standing here."

For their part, Reid and Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, claimed that Republicans have repeatedly rebuffed Democratic pleas for a thorough investigation.

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Nothing new on the blame Clinton front, don't want to play the blame game unless it is to blame the last administation. I did find this curious though, "*couldn't be finished in the first year of work." I thought that was wouldn't be done during an election.

Roberts wants to blame the democrats for not getting phase two done? Don't want to play the blame game, of course, unless it's to blame democrats. How could they be moving to closure, when no investigatory hearings were held? How could Roberts have already started working on a report?


Posted by: Robert Schwartz at November 2, 2005 04:14 PM

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Fortunately for the USA, the war on terrorism being fought in Iraq is nothing like the Vietnam war. Anyone who even mentions them in the same breath is ignorant or a liar.

The Bush administration has waged the most successful, urgent, essential, necessary military action in the history of the United States.

Keep up the excellent work Mr. President. We all appreciate what you are doing for us.
Allison
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Such sloppy word usage. Leaving aside the irrelevant statistics, and I could throw in the number of innocent Iraqis dead, according to Lancet/Johns Hopkins, but I won't, let us analyze this post, just for shits & giggles.

Just reading your first statement aloud in one exhalation would, ipso facto, make me either ignorant or a liar. Ooops #1.

Deception was used to sell both conflicts. Ooops #2, and I'll forgo any other easily made comparisons.

Urgent and essential? You've got to be putting us on. Inspectors and the like, Ooopses 3 & 4.

And obviously, you do not speak for us all.

So many mistakes in only 5 sentences.

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at November 2, 2005 04:25 PM

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Schwartz

The only mistake is you not understanding how full of shit you are.

No one cares what was said to justify this essential war. Ignorant traitors like you would not have agreed to anything. You don't care about anything but yourself. We needed to go, we went, and no one cares that you are to stupid to understand.

Posted by: Allison at November 2, 2005 04:37 PM

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"If Democrats want to talk about the threat that Saddam Hussein posed and the intelligence, they might want to start with looking at the previous administration and their own statements that they've made," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

Well, there you go. It was Clinton's fault! And them damn Dems kept delaying phase 2 to protect the Big Dawg. Fitz can go home now, the case is solved. Apologize to Scooter and tell him it was all a misunderstanding. The Dems lied and covered up their march to war. I can see it all more clearly now. Clinton strong-armed us into war during a R's administration. It's a Dem scam to bring in Hillary as our savior, right? right?
We need to start a petition to make sure Clinton don't lead us into Syria next!#$%
Help us Mr. Frist!

Posted by: Alan at November 2, 2005 04:38 PM

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"We all appreciate what you are doing for us."

I don't.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 04:40 PM

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Allison, have you written that petition yet?

Posted by: Alan at November 2, 2005 04:42 PM

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Clinton should've had Gore set up an "Office of Special PLans/Stained Dress Division".
*cough*

Posted by: Alan at November 2, 2005 04:44 PM

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Allison,
If you are going to insult Robert, I would suggest you do a little (I mean a lot) research. You are not capable of holding a candle to him. I would suggest you go to the last blog and look at my post where I link Money for Nothing. Your essential war is a joke. Even the conservatives think so. It is a mess and to support it now that all the lies have been revealed is an insult to our intelligence.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 04:45 PM

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"No one cares what was said to justify this essential war" babbles "Allison" maniacally. Speaks volumes about the nature of the still willing enablers of atrocities, eh? Maybe you should get yourself over there to the glorious cause and start killing all the Iraqi "terrorists" willy nilly, Allison, before they swim the ocean in frog suits and plant dirty bombs among us, or something. You seem quite cut out for wanton slaughter.

Posted by: Riff at November 2, 2005 04:49 PM

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I asked yesterday, and David mentioned it... now I'm even more curious how the Arkansas speech went. Anybody seen anything from the school, or local papers??

Posted by: Alan at November 2, 2005 04:49 PM

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1-800-USA-ARMY

Let me start by saying for all of you who love Bush as your god, join the military services at 1-800-USA-ARMY.

I hate this war with Iraq because it is a wrong and an immoral war. As the death toll of American soldiers rise, I am more furious because these soldiers have been killed for the Bush lies, for oil, for us to bring down Saddam Hussein and replace him with a more corrupt government. In my readings Iraq is a very corrupt government. We have American soldiers killed not to spread democracy but to establish a corrupt government. How do the parents and loved ones feel about their sons, daughters, husbands, and wives being killed for a corrupt government?

Bush, cheney, rumsfeld, and a host of other regime officials are nothing more than scumbags, slime balls, and low life sludges. These people are perverse, demented, depraved, and deranged creatures.

Anyone who voted for these murderous thugs are accomplices in the murder of American soldiers and the Iraqi people.

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 04:57 PM

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Riff

Already been there and killed a bunch of them, and you are welcome, for me not letting them come over here and hurt you.

Posted by: Allison at November 2, 2005 04:57 PM

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#16 I was never concerned about Saddam and his Baathists being a threat to us here at all. We've stirred up plenty of real danger and hatred now though. Nice work (if you were really there; other trolls have been embarassed by trying to make that claim). I am sure you wouldn't worry at all about shooting straight. After all it's just "them", and who cares if the whole lot of them Iraqis and their little children are wiped from the planet, right?

Posted by: Riff at November 2, 2005 05:09 PM

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Good for the Dems - it's about time someone asks the right questions and demands answers.

Robert Schwartz - you are the greatest. Keep posting.

Posted by: Joe Tully at November 2, 2005 05:16 PM

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Gerald

You are directly responsible for the deaths of American soldiers by giving aid and encouragement to the terrorists. Your encouragement, in the form of telling the enemy they might have a chance, is by showing them there is a small minority traitors like you here at home who are with them and against our own government.

It will not work Gerald. Those of us who have actually seen their faces and truly understand how dangerous they are to the way of life you now enjoy, will stand by our GREAT PRESIDENT.

Posted by: Allison at November 2, 2005 05:23 PM

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Riff

Yeah, like you care about anybody but yourself.

I noticed that you were not concerned enough to mention the innocents the terrorists kill on purpose.

Posted by: Allison at November 2, 2005 05:30 PM

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American Soldiers

2,278 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for BushÕ³ evil lies.

Let us not forget the 15,500 maimed American soldiers and the 42,000 soldiers who suffer from post traumatic stress disorder.

Many of these soldiers will not receive help from the Veterans Aministration becaues the taxcuts and budget cuts are going to the rich unpatriotic Americans.

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 05:31 PM

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Bush is not going to back this. Rove will not let him. You have the body and then you have the brain! They are not attached and that the problem! Rove speaks for Mr. Bush.. and today quote..

" We will not comment on an ongoing investigation"

Posted by: Dg at November 2, 2005 05:31 PM

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Assessing the President

There are generals and church people who say that George W. Bush was chosen to be president by God. I cannot prove or disprove what people are saying. So, I offer you my assessment with some trepidation.

George W. Bush and his regime have been an experiment in mendacity with the American people. His disciples claim that he is the messianic messenger but his message has obfuscated the American people. His character lacks the probity to be a leader and his actions are more reflective of a nefarious person. George W. Bush expects Americans and the media to obsequious to what he says because he says it.

Before I accept the hyperbole that George W. Bush was chosen by God to be president and that God speaks to him, he must possess the virtues of my God which are humility, love, mercy, and patience. Personally, Mr. Bush does not possess any of these virtues. I see him more as a controlling, punitive, and vengeful person, totally lacking in compassion.

George W. Bush displays a depraved indifference toward the killing of living human beings.

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 05:34 PM

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Corporations and Persons

I watched Television Ontario (TVO). The program title was "The Corporation - The Pathology of Commerce." The program mentioned that the Supreme Court ruled that a corporation is a person than surely a person is a person. The program highlighted a checklist for mental disorders. Since a corporation can be considered a person, the mental disorder checklist can be applied.

Here is the checklist.
1. Callousness toward people
2. Impersonal relationships with people
3. Disregard for the safety of others
4. Deceitfulness
5. Incapacity to experience guilt
6. Failure to comply toward social norms to benefit people

From the checklist corporations displayed a psychopathic mental disorder. If we use the same checklist for our two highest leaders, then we would have to conclude that george w. bush and dick chaney display the same mental disorder. It would be my perception that the above two men are unfit to be president and vice-president, respectively. They hold too much power for men who have a possible mental disorder.

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 05:37 PM

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Paradox

Louis Tice of the Pacific Institute in Seattle, Washington offers a paradox, "You give up control in order to be in control." Confident leaders do not have to rule by controlling and punitive threats. He also discusses Erickson's book, "Eight Stages of Human Development" regarding leadership. Leadership starts at the top with basic trust. A dishonest leader cannot be an effective leader. Controlling and punitive threats will have consequences and there will be a backlash against such a leader. People will subtly undermine the leader and in the end the leader is not in control and he or she remains in a constant state of fear. A fearful leader is an unstable leader. Good examples of fearful and unstable leaders are Napoleon and Hitler. We must be vigilant of such leaders, be it in the United States or in the world.

Please pay careful attention to Bush's behavior. You do not have to be a licensed psychiatrist or a Ph.D. psychologist to know that Bush is a very sick person. His increased temper tantrums, his abusive language, his flying all over the country, and his apparent alcoholism and drug intake are signs that Bush is losing it. We have in the WH a very unstable beast that could snap at any minute. We must never forget this psycho's depraved indifference in the murdering of human beings. Pray hard for this demented and deranged amoeba!


Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 05:41 PM

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to:
Gerald

American Soldiers

2,278 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush? evil lies.

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Gerald, You must take your responsibility for a large part of those deaths. You have been and are still helping the terrorists. Your are contemptible.

MUCH SHAME ON YOU, you killer of American soldiers.

Posted by: Allison at November 2, 2005 05:42 PM

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Allison, you are a lying sack of shit!

Posted by: quadlander at November 2, 2005 05:46 PM

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Mr. David Corn,

"he could simply have his White House come clean. He could order all his aides to state publicly what they did or witnessed and what they told the grand jury. "

I thought that was what was already promised?

It is useless if you have to ask people to tell the truth. Pretty obvious what the problem is and whose fault it is.

Everybody knows who invaded Iraq and the reasons we were told, to the each were lies and fabrications to expect the WH to have gained a respect for the truth is not supported by the evidence of their history.

Thanks again

Kirk

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 05:47 PM

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"Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress had been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." -- Oscar Wilde - (1854-1900)

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It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics: -Robert A. Heinlein

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Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear: -Thomas Jefferson

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"I do esteem individual liberty above everything. What is a nation for, but to secure the maximum liberty to every individual?" : D. H. Lawrence
(1885-1938) Source: Letter, 12 July 1916

Thanks ICH newsletter

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 05:48 PM

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Get off your knees allison GW already has someone to do that for him. if you believe all that BS you are posting then I would love to see how well you make out when the storm troopers come knocking until that day don't give any crap to your betters, and put a sock in it. If you don't like the comments on here then leave and quickly we sure don't have any shortage of asshole trolls here lately so we must be getting to them, which is a good thing. So rant if you wish but it ain't gonna matter in a few more months. Your sorry ass will be sniveling and whining about the lack of housing and food that you don't have and your president can't do anything about it, AGAIN. Let's see what has he done that has worked? Uh? No answer? You are correct, nothing, not one damn thing and all his words are empty like your thoughts not a completed project in his whole reign so take a shot at the reich wing bushbots there are plenty of other web sites. Go on get out of here. He He!!

Posted by: What the F**k at November 2, 2005 05:48 PM

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Bush Family Secrets

Prescott Bush had dealings with Hitler for nine years. He would tell the family that he admired Hitler's leadership skills.

George, elder, was involved in the Iran-Contra cover-up. This was a treasonous act that went nowhere. He gave weapons of mass destruction to Iraq. He remained silent of the murders of the Chinese students in China in 1989. He broke promises to the Iraqi people to overthrow Saddam after the Gulf War. He helped train Osama bin Laden's terrorists. Bush, elder, is an advisor to the Carlyle Company that invests heavily in defense contracts to gain huge profits from war and weaponry. He said that if Americans knew what the Bushes did to this country, they would be chased down the streets and lynched.

Barbara "Nutcracker" Bush said that why should worry about body bags and death. She does not want to worry her beautiful mind with body bags and death.

Neil Bush's saving and loan scandals were covered up or he was never tried.

Jeb Bush's rigging of FloridaÕ³ 2000 election.

Bush, younger, and his business dealings made him millions of dollars through questionable information from insider stock sales. He had close ties with Ken Lay and Enron. He spiked the investigations of Osama bin Laden. He made his first million dollars as principal of Arbusto Oil in Texas, a nearly worthless venture ended up a gold mine with the financing of Saudi-linked businessmen and Gulf Arabs. He received $4.1 million for his presidential run from five Texas energy companies that controlled the energy power sales to California. These companies were Enron, TXU, Reliant, Dynegy, and the El Paso Corporation. At Arbusto Oil Bush had an offshore tax shelter to avoid paying federal income taxes. Bush is a true rich unpatriotic American? Bush, younger, has loosened regulations toward companies that manufacture and produce toxic products and toxic wastes that are sent into our environment. He is awarding tract to companies that have offshore tax shelters and pay no taxes. Halliburton has 20 such tax shelters. Yet, Americans are asked to pay taxes. American companies with offshore tax shelters avoid paying close to $700 billion in taxes. Americans have paid nearly $300 billion so far for the Iraq war. It is estimated that Americans will have to pay over $2 trillion for 20 years of occupation. These monies are lost to our citizens in our cities and states. Homeland Security is wasting money and a waste of time. We have the security departments to do the job without Homeland Security. Bush's increase in temper tantrums is a warning sign of a demented and deranged psycho.

This information is only the tip of the iceberg. George, younger, rides to the presidency with the Catholic vote because he says that he is pro-life. As governor of Texas 152 inmates were put to death. As president he starts a war with the killing of thousands of Iraqis and American lives. The war started through lies. Bush is a murderer and a war criminal. He has signed directives to kill Iraqi leaders and possibly other leaders from other countries. Bush claims to be compassionate and pro-life but Americans have no universal health care and affordable prescription drugs. Bush has loosened regulations for corporations to hire illegal aliens. They hire these illegal aliens but do not have their names on the books to avoid paying about $400 billion in taxes. The tax breaks that corporations receive through offshore tax shelters and the loosening of regulations to hire illegal aliens even with Homeland Security corporations do not pay $1.1 per year in taxes. Can you imagine what Americans can do with $1.1 trillion for health care, the environment, education, poverty, road construction, mass transit, and overall quality of life for the American people?

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 05:50 PM

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The Formula

I am giving you a formula that I believe will bring about justice and peace. Actually, God has given me these ideas directly for a better world. You can accept what I say through Divine Providence or reject what I say. We are all given a free choice. The decision is yours alone.

1. Shalom translated means peace but it is more than peace. Shalom is God's vision of the world. It is God's dream that Shalom comes only to the inclusive embracing community that excludes no one.
2. In each of us there is a Jesus and a Hitler. We should always strive to bring out the Jesus in us.
3. Love is wanting the best for another person or persons.
4. Try to emulate Mother Teresa who saw in each human being the face of Jesus.
5. War is outmoded; no normal person chooses war over peace.
6. From James in the New Testament - Faith without deeds is worth nothing.
7. Practice your faith that believes in the true God. God wants us to love one another.
8. Read the Bible because it is GodÕ³ love letter to us.
9. Read Mattie Stepanek's books on Heartsongs.
10. John Kerry says that it is not important for God to be on our side, what is important are we on God's side?
11. Read Matthew 25:31-46! When you do it to the least of my brethren, you do it for me.
12. Read Matthew 5:1-12! The beatitudes!
13. Read Luke 10:25-37! Who is my neighbor?
14. Read Luke 12:13-21! These verses warn us against greed.
15. Be aware of the Just War Theory! Are we in imminent danger?
16. Practice being a Conscientious Objector!
17. St. Ambrose says, "I shall pass this way but once, any good that I can do let me do it now, because I shall not pass this way again."
18. Totus Tuus means all yours. We are all God's children.
19. Paul Wellstone says that politics is not about power. Politics is not only about money. Politics is not about winning for the sake of winning. Politics is about the improvement of people's lives. It is about advancing the cause of peace and justice in our country and in the world. Politics is about doing well for people.
20. Mr. Bourn who built the Filoli Home and Gardens that is south of San Francisco says that we must fight for a just cause; we must love our fellow man; and we must live a good life.
21. When we recite the Lord's Prayer, we are acknowledging that God is the Father and we are all brothers and sisters.
22. The Cross is a sign of contradiction. It is not about death and hatred; it is about life and love.
23. St. Irenaeus says, "The glory of God is man fully alive." Man can only be fully alive when he loves God with his whole mind, body, and soul. And, when he loves his neighbor, as he loves himself.

Many persons will have and will offer various formulas for justice and peace. The end result will center on whether or not we have love and mercy in our hearts. Justice and peace can never move forward unless we have a conversion of the heart.

Leo Buscaglia reminds us that the heart sees what the eyes fail to see. In life we may be called upon to see with our hearts. Our hearts must be filled with love and mercy.

The moral demise of a nation precedes the ultimate demise of a nation. America is in a state of moral demise because Americans do not believe in God. They have chosen the antichrist of money, nuclear weapons, and the words of Bush.

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 05:58 PM

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Has anyone seen the site george bush is the antichrist.com? I was skeptical at first. Stephen Hanchett goes into great detail to describe what he believes. It makes one wonder if he isn't too far from the truth describing the evil embodiment of george(the butcher)bush. how much blood does he have on his hands now, 260some executed in Texas during his reign there, now 2000+ dead GI's plus untold thousands of Iraqi people and he still wants more! The supposed antichrist will masquerade as a religious man for purpose of deception. I only hope Stephen is incorrect

Posted by: Den at November 2, 2005 06:01 PM

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What the F

I never have and never will give crap to my betters. I only try to educate ignorant traitors like you and Gerald.

You could be right about no food or housing if nuts like you and your kind ever get any power.

No, that will not happen. Your kind of back stabbing cowards are done. Live with it, of course, at the expense of people like me, and our GREAT President Bush.

Posted by: Allison at November 2, 2005 06:01 PM

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War is a narcotic.

War is a narcotic. War gives certain people a high. Bush is a drug addict who says he has recovered but the Iraq war is an addictive narcotic that gives bush his daily high. He says that he has recovered but you never recover from an addictive personality. The longer a war lasts the more power goes to the government.

We start hating through language and from language we start to want to kill people. War gives the addictive personality meaning. Bush cannot exist without war. The state begins to define our being. The state must control us in order for us to kill. We cannot look at another person as part of humanity. Friends do not want war. You must, in war, want to kill and a person cannot be a friend to a person whom he is out to kill. People become intoxicated in war toward killing. You lose yourself and your identity as a human person in war.

If you oppose war, you court physical violence to yourself by the nationalists who desire and crave killing and war. You need moral courage to oppose war in America, a land that is overrun by nationalists who want killing and war.

Human beings do not want to kill other human beings. bush and cheney are not human beings because they want to kill human beings. bush and cheney turned away from people who had empathy for us after 9/11. We had an opportunity to build friendships but we became racists.

The republican party possesses extremists who are doing great damage to our relations in the world. Once you become violent, you hang onto and remain violent because you cannot behave any other way. Violence comes back to haunt a country. Our violence to other countries will come back to haunt us. We do not have the right to control other people.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT BUSH AND CHENEY ARE PLANNING A TERRORIST ATTACK INSIDE THE USA THROUGH A COVERT OPERATION WITH THE JACKALS (CIA) SO THEY CAN REMAIN IN CONTROL AND IN POWER FOREVER.

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 06:02 PM

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 06:04 PM

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Brothers and Sisters - Awake!


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How much longer will Christians excuse President Bush's blatantly anti-Christian policies and personal behavior? Is the 'R' representing his political persuasion reason enough for Christians to cast a blind eye? The fact of the matter is that Bush's policies are virtually identical to that of his predecessor, and yet Bush is showered with praise while Clinton is continually demonized. Such an observation leads me to believe that it is not Bush's neo-conservative agenda nor exemplary leadership, but solely his public profession of faith which has gained him the admiration of the religious-right.

The irony in this situation is that Clinton likewise portrayed himself as Christian; nevertheless, he was despised by most fundamental Bible-thumpers. So why does Bush come across as more believable? Again, I ask, is it the mere fact that he is Republican?

Bush obviously wears his religion on his sleeve for public consumption, but I was never comfortable with that being the sole reason for Bush's overwhelming acceptance among fellow Christians. Now, after years of earnest prayer and research, I have come to the conclusion that George W. Bush is indeed a religious man - broadly Christian - yet twisted and macabre in ways most people are unaware. In other words, what the Christian community as a whole fails to understand is that Bush's version of Christianity is far from what is deemed "fundamental."

President Bush, like his father and grand-father before him, is an elitist. He is part of a cabal of individuals whom believe that they posess secret knowledge which has been passed down since the time of King Solomon. They believe that they are the "enlightened ones, " and that Christ has entrusted them with ushering-in the prophesied millenium; the thousand years of world peace. They believe that it is they, through Christ, whom will ultimately save mankind and rule over the entire earth; a.k.a. "New World Order."

Bush and the neocons are deceived - such beliefs are occultic and will probably prove to be the catalist for Armagedon. Nevertheless, persuading Christians of this fact can prove difficult. Yet by continually shedding light upon Bush's un-christian and un-conservative works, our brothers and sisters are slowly beginning to awake.

If you are a constitutional conservative or a fundamental christian, and you find yourself sceptical of the information alledged thus far, I ask that you suspend your preconceived notions about Bush, disregard his 'conservative' and 'compassionate' rhetoric, and focus solely upon his deeds as outlined in this site. It was our Savior Himself who stated that we shall know them by their fruits.

As a pretext to investing your valuable time sifting through the vast information archived herein, I ask that you ponder the following nine points. If you find yourself in disagreement with my assertions, then there is certainly no need to waste any more of your time. On the other hand, if you find yourself agreeing, either in whole or in part, then I encourage you to take a prolonged look at the considerable works of the man who now occupies the most power office in the land.

During his inauguration, George W. Bush placed his left hand upon the Holy Bible and took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, yet since his swearing-in, the Constitution has been violated in almost every conceivable manner. From FREE-SPEECH ZONES to WARRANTLESS SEARCHES to TORTURING DETAINEES, Bush has systematically dismantled the very document that he swore an oath before God to protect.

President Bush's Department of Homeland Security is the biggest federal power grab since the days of Franklin D. Roosevelt. This trojan-horse poses a greater threat to our personal liberties than standing armys. Centralizing military and law enforcement power into the executive branch is the very definition of a Police State!


Bush claims that the war in Iraq is necessary to prevent further terrorism, nevertheless our borders remain wide-open. Furthermore, while there remain many unanswered questions regarding September 11th as well as the subsequent absense of WMDs in Iraq, Bush consistently objects to any independent investigation. We are simply supposed to believe that our intelligent agencies were inept, but Bush has fixed them.


Perhaps Saddam Hussein did use chemical weapons against his own people, but the U.S. government did likewise when it gassed women and children at their church in Waco, Texas. In that abhorent instance, the military was illegally utilized in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. A different administration - yes, but President Bush never held the previous administration responsible; and now Bush publically admits that he would support the dismantling of the Posse Comitatus Act.


President Bush is the biggest spender in the history of the republic - not just on military expenditures, but likewise on social programs. SOCIALISM is unbiblical - God's word commands us to "Love thy neighbor as yourself," which nullifies favoritism and/or discrimination. Socialism boils down to government's forcible extraction of assets from earners for the purpose of redistribution among non-earners (or to whom-ever government officials feel can be persuaded to return the favor via the ballot-box). It should be apparent that "Compassionate conservatism" is simply a neoconservative buzz-word for their brand of socialism. True compassion is defined as the free-exercise of giving; either of one's time, knowledge, or resources. Monies paid under duress - even for a lofty purpose - is not compassion; it is theft. It matters not that it is by decree of government nor by will of the majority, stealing is always a violation of God's Law!

While Bush has verbally taken a moral stand on homosexuality and abortion, he has stacked his cabinet with pro-abortionists and homosexual activists. Bush signed into law a bill which gives federal death benefits to same sex partners, and a DC appropriations bill that allows same sex benefits. Bush has never asked Congress to stop funding for Planned Parenthood, but he did send $15 billion of American taxpayer money to the United Nations for HIV/AIDS programs in Africa - so Planned Parenthood can push its sinister agenda on those people too.

President Reagan withdrew from the anti-American UNESCO organization, basically a global school board which supports the diabolical Earth Charter. President Bush approves of UNESCO; thus, while our children are neither free to read from the Bible nor mention the name of Christ in school, they are led to worship Mother Earth under the guise of education. The Earth Charter is housed in an Ark of Hope which makes its way around the country. Any true Christian should be able to see the blasphemous implications.

Would a Christian pass laws to further erode parents' God-given rights to educate their own children? Bush did just that with his "No Child Left Behind Bill" which mandates further government intrusion into the very institution (government schools) used to enforce the homosexual agenda upon our children. The Republican Party used to run on the platform of dismantling the unconstitutional Department of Education; however, we now have a Republican president pumping billions of additional dollars into this ungodly system!

President Bush, his father, and his grandfather are "Bonesmen" - members of the macabre Skull and Bones secret society. The group meets in building known as The Tomb, and part of the initiation process involves lying naked in a coffin and reveal sexual exploits. The Bush's are also members of the elite Bohemian Grove where they attend annual pagan rituals before the great "Owl" which admittedly includes mock human sacrifice!

In all honesty, none of our recent presidential administrations have come close to living up to God's standard. But Bush is the one in office now, and he has taken us to a new low. This site is dedicated to the honest revelation of President Bush's religious beliefs and political policies. This is NOT a Bush-bashing site - there are no personal attacks - it merely presents Bush's true record which is neither conservative, christian, nor compassionate. Nevertheless, if you are in favor of big-government, big-business, open borders, and globalism, then consider this a pro-Bush site.

Please understand that opposing Bush and the neo-conservative agenda does not make you a liberal Democrat! Likewise, this site does contain articles written by liberal Democrats whose bias is easily identified within their diatribe. These articles are included solely because I deem there to be factual content behind the spin, not because I am in agreement with their ideology. But this site also contains articles penned by my fellow constitutional christians who likewise see Bush for what he is - in spite of being a Republican.

This website has been created to be both a resource in awakening my brothers and sisters in Christ as well as a cyber-refuge for knowledgable Christians to communicate and build each other up via the chat-room and forum. Your comments are appreciated.

May we all continue to grow in the knowledge and grace of our Lord and Savior!


Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 06:08 PM

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Ally is Timmie

Posted by: Nathan Lane at November 2, 2005 06:19 PM

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Gerald, You seem to believe in God. Which is more important --- A woman's right to murder her baby, or the baby's right to live? What do you think God would say?

What? Are you afraid to answer in front of your left wing nut friends?

Posted by: Tim at November 2, 2005 06:27 PM

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Pay your taxes allison I need the income.

Posted by: What the F**k at November 2, 2005 06:28 PM

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Tim the troll needs to get off this left wing nut blog and spend some quality time with his family. Put your family values where your mouth is.

Posted by: sojourner at November 2, 2005 06:39 PM

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ACTION ALERT


Stop funding the war! Bring them home!

Ask your member of Congress to support legislation to stop funding the deployment of U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq

Later this week or next week, Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Massachusetts) will introduce legislation to stop funding the deployment of U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq. The bill would allow Defense Department funds to be used only to provide for: the safe and orderly withdrawal of all troops; consultations with other governments, NATO, and the UN regarding international forces; and financial assistance and equipment to either Iraqi security forces and/or international forces. In addition, the bill would not prohibit or restrict non-defense funding to carry out reconstruction in Iraq.

When it comes to the floor, this bill will be stronger than previous legislation. Already signed on: Schakowsky (D-IL), Frank (D-MA), Serrano (D-NY), and Velazquez (D-NY).

Please contact your representative to encourage him/her to become an original co-sponsor for the McGovern Resolution. (Since Rep. McGovern hasn't introduced the bill yet, it doesn't have a number).

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Call, write, send letter, rinse and repeat until the slimeballs are out of the White House.

HA!


capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 06:44 PM

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'05 Proving To Be Worst Newspaper Year Since Recession

by Ross Fadner
Oct 31, 2005


IT'S OFFICIAL: 2005 WILL BE the newspaper industry's worst year since the last ad industry recession. And things aren't looking much better for next year either, according to a top Wall Street firm's report on newspaper publishing. "Sadly, 2005 is shaping up as the industry's worst year from a revenue growth perspective since the recession impacted 2001-2002 period," says the report from Goldman Sachs, adding a warning that meaningful growth in 2006 is "very unlikely."

In particular, national advertising has under-performed, remaining essentially flat this year, as has the retail category, the report said--while classified, both print and online, has shown positive gains so far this year, up 4-5 percent.

The weak ad environment for newspapers has caused Goldman to scale back its 2006 growth forecast to 3.5 percent from 4.0 percent. The note said national ad growth would once again be weakest at 1.0 percent, followed by retail, 2.5 percent, and classifieds at 3.6 percent. The bright spot continues to be online newspaper revenues, which are projected to grow an impressive 25 percent in 2006. Despite this, online will still represent 5.0 percent of total newspaper revenues.

The only really good news for publishers is that the investment firm believes the cost of newsprint, which has risen recently, is likely to fall slightly in 2006, as demand falls more quickly than production capacity. The report said newsprint prices would peak and then slowly recede in the second half of the year.

Even so, this good news is scant relief for an industry besieged by flat ad revenues, falling stocks, and fleeing subscribers. Last week, Rishad Tobaccowala, chief innovation officer for Publicis Groupe, told a newspaper--the Chicago Tribune--"newspapers are at a tipping point," in which online media will start to take more readership and more ad dollars. He added that newspapers are in the worst situation of all news media for growth as "the least visually engaging and least youth oriented" medium.

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While newspapers have held on to regular delivery customers more out of habit than by doing a good job of reporting, it is no surprise with hacks like Miller, Blair, Novak, etc. the print news is dying on the vine.

Bad tree = bad fruit.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 06:50 PM

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To:
Allison

Even though the people here will not thank you for protecting them, I will thank you for them.

Remember, the people here have the right to say what they want. You and your fellow soldiers are giving them that right with your lives. Do not go down to their level. You are their protector whether or not you or they like or will even admit it.

The one fellow is right in the fact that you should not be writing on their site. This is not a place where Americans should be. Leave it to them, for what they say is unimportant and meaningless. No one except the terrorists listen to their kind of nonsense.

Just remember Allison, without you, these people would not even have life.

Posted by: Captain Simms at November 2, 2005 06:51 PM

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Milwaukee Paper Apologizes for Accepting 'Cooked' WMD Evidence

By E&P Staff

Published: October 31, 2005 10:55 AM ET

NEW YORK The most important newspaper in its region finally apologized to readers for accepting "cooked" evidence about WMD in Iraq that helped lead to war in 2003. No, it was not The New York Times.

In a column on Sunday, O. Ricardo Pimentel, editorial page editor at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, wrote that, "Yes, regrettably on the matter of WMD, count us as among the many who were duped. We should have been more skeptical. For that lack of skepticism and the failure to include the proper caveats to the WMD claim, we apologize, though I would note that, ultimately, we didn't believe that the president's central WMD argument warranted war. Not then and especially not now."

The column appeared on the same day Tim Rutten, media writer for the Los Angeles Times, urged major newspapers to own up to their role in easily accepting the WMD argument from the Bush administration. He noted that his own newspaper was among this large group.

"The American people need to know how that progression occurred because that knowledge is key to the responsible exercise of citizenship in the upcoming midterm elections and beyond," Rutten wrote. "The New York Times clearly wasn't the only journalistic institution that failed, and the duty to set the public record straight about how this mistake was made is a shared one. There will be shame enough for all if the media as a whole fail to accept this obligation."

In his opening, Pimentel, in Milwaukee, observed that while the focus on WMD mis-coverage has rested on The New York Times, he wondered if "the rest of us below that level of influence and reach -- this newspaper's Editorial Board being my concern -- also have a responsibility to explain ourselves?"

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Plenty of blame to go around. I am guilty of believing Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell. They lied and nothing they said was even close to being true and every "news" agency, every "press room" and every mass media outlet is guilty of the same thing. We all made the mistake of believing a liar and going to war on a whim.

Explain ourselves? We have to make excuses for believing the Coward in Crawford? But he has nothing that he needs to admit or apologize for?

Sure, I am sure he is that stupid.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 07:01 PM

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I am in agreement with Paul John II. Life begins at conception and ends with natural death. I believe that once a baby is born that baby like adults should have universal health care and prescription drug coverage. With salaries becoming more and more stagnant or decreasing universal health care is a must.

Bush and his goons believe in pissing money away.

I believe that Jesus is for universal health care, a safe environment, education, against corporate fraud, against wars, torture, and killings, pro-love and mercy, and the inclusion of all His children to the gifts He has given us.

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 07:04 PM

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It is highly unlikely that Allison has ever seen a nano second of combat in her life, unless viewed on TV of course.

Posted by: morelli at November 2, 2005 07:04 PM

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Anybody interested in hearing from a real veteran try :

operationtruth.com

A non-partisan collection of military service persons, families and groups. They all are bona fide. Not your standard faker/poser and not one troll among them (no surprise).

People who serve are respectful and respectable.

capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 07:06 PM

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Shalom

Here is more reality!

Here is what America and the world need in order to attain peace and justice on our planet for all of God's children. Here is also what I believe God wants for His children and His vision for the world.

Shalom translated means peace but it is much more than peace. Shalom is a vision of social wholeness; a state of well being for all, where everyone has access to the goods of creation intended to meet the needs of all. Shalom is the substance of the biblical vision of one community embracing all creation where all enjoy the resources that make communal harmony joyous and effective.

Shalom is nothing less than God's intended vision of the world, a dream of God that resists our tendencies for division, hostility, fear, lust, and misery. If there is to be well-being, it will not be just for the isolated and insulated individuals, it is security and prosperity granted to the whole community - the poor, the widow, the orphan, the immigrant, the tax collector and the sinner, the despised and the rejected, young and old, the have and the have nots, the powerful and the dependent. We are in it together. Together we stand before God's blessings and together we receive the gift of life. Shalom comes only to the inclusive embracing community that excludes no one.

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 07:11 PM

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Posters who believe in Bush and his evil policies should join and serve in America's armed forces.

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 07:14 PM

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Captain Simms
You are correct.

I came to this site because I was told about it, and decided to check it out. I just could not believe there were people this misguided in America. When people like this turn their back on us and our President, they do not even deserve a response. I will leave them to their treason and post here no more.

Thanks for reminding me we protect the rights of all those in America, even like the people here who are trying to destroy it.

Posted by: Allison at November 2, 2005 07:18 PM

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Fifteen Words

You may or may not remember the fifteen words that I want to hear from my God - WELCOME HOME MY FAITHFUL FRIEND AND DISCIPLE. COME, I HAVE PREPARED A PLACE FOR YOU.

Here are the fifteen words that glorify Americans from the bushgod - FEAR, FEAR, FEAR, GREED, GREED, GREED, HATE, HATE, HATE, KILL, KILL, KILL, TORTURE, TORTURE, TORTURE!

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 07:21 PM

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Captain S: "Just remember Allison, without you, these people would not even have life." And without the taxpayer tit to suck on, you and Allison would likely be hawking real estate or slinging burgers rather than calling each other heroes. Don't you dare tell me you're killing people for my sake. There weren't any Iraqis on those planes on 9/11, and Iraqis never threatened the U.S., yet the "insurgents" that you're killing are Iraqis. And as far as the "traitor" charge goes, didn't you swear to uphold the Constitution when put on that uniform? The Constitution says that only Congress can declare war. Congress never declared war on Iraq. Doesn't that make YOU a traitor?

Posted by: Drewp at November 2, 2005 07:21 PM

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Reid Shakes Things Up & Trent Lott Takes "Revenge Swipe" at Karl Rove


November 01, 2005


The tension is building.

The more Frist fulminates and fumes at Harry Reid, the greater the Democratic leader becomes in the eyes of Americans, on both sides of the aisle.

Finally, many are saying, the Democrats are doing something of consequence.

And amidst this chaos, Republican cohesiveness is eroding. Loyalty to the White House has been replaced by prodding and nudging of the Bush team by their Republican brethren in Congress.

Case in point. . .Trent Lott just appeared on Chris Matthews' Hardball and just questioned whether Karl Rove should remain employed as Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy.

I just saw it, but someone already has a video clip up of Lott shoving Rove out to the wolves.

Harry Reid has really stirred things up -- to paraphrase Dick Cheney -- "Big Time".

Steve Clemons

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I have yet to be very excited about old Harry but the clip of Lott turning on Rove is priceless! (down right now but likely up later or on "Crook and Liars" soon enough)

capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 07:22 PM

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Dear Mr. Bush by Mattie Stepanek, June, 2002

You said we are caught
Between terrorism and hopelessness.
You said we cannot
Find peace in this situation.
I caught your words, but
I cannot agree with the conclusion.
Clearly,
We cannot perpetuate terrorism.
But perhaps,
If we choose to accept
Hopelessness with a catch,
We will find peace in all situations.
Hope, or lack of hope,
Is an attitude.
And an attitude is a choice.
In this great country,
We do have a choice.
And so, in conclusion,
We cannot get caught
With a bad attitude,
Or we are not choosing peace.

Posted by: Gerald at November 2, 2005 07:25 PM

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Allison: "I came to this site because I was told about it, and decided to check it out. I just could not believe there were people this misguided in America." Then you're as out-of-touch as your commander-in-chief. Read. Look at the polls. Those of you who still support this murderous war are in a rapidly shrinking minority.

Posted by: Drewp at November 2, 2005 07:25 PM

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Hey Gerald,

WAKE UP

You seem to believe in God. Which is more important --- A woman's right to murder her baby, or the baby's right to live? What do you think God would say?

What? Are you afraid to answer in front of your left wing nut friends?

Posted by: Tim at November 2, 2005 07:29 PM

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Informed Comment

So how might the investigation of Feith's office (which is apparently dead in the water given that the Republicans on the committee would probably decline to issue subpoenas) delay the phase two conclusions that Roberts should be producing? Feith and the Office of Special Plans were central to these conclusions. If he and his employees are stonewalling, and if Roberts won't subpoena them or threaten them with contempt of Congress, then it is hard to see how any progress can be made.

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I cannot possibly be the only one that gets the "stonewalling" joke?

Come on anybody?


capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 07:31 PM

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Allison: "I came to this site because I was told about it, and decided to check it out. "

And if you had an honest bone in your body, you'd admit that you came here because you knew exactly what you'd find: people who vehemently disagree with you and oppose this war.

You're a liar to your core. Dishonesty is in your DNA. You can't write a truthful sentence. In that, you're perfectly representative of your fellow belligerents.

Posted by: Drewp at November 2, 2005 07:33 PM

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Scapegoating on a Scooter


Truth is the most valuable thing we have. Let us economize it.
~ Mark Twain

by Butler Shaffer

Defenders of statism will undertake any action and against as many people as necessary to safeguard the basic structure of the state. Even the figureheads atop the totem pole may be sacrificed if need be. The Nixons, Clintons, and Bushes are all fungible, each capable of replacing one another. This is a principal reason that elections always come down to a choice between standardized, indistinguishable candidates; and why, no matter who you vote for, the political establishment always gets elected. This is also why you have heard so little objection from the Democrats to the Bush administrationÕ³ depraved policies and moral transgressions: they donÕ´ want to do or say anything that would denigrate the system they hope to control one day.

The Washington poker game has begun, and the state system has anted with "Scooter" Libby, in hopes that public criticism of this administration will be satisfied with a low-stakes game. But disapproval of governmental practices may insist upon deeper inquiries: perhaps into authorship of the Niger yellowcake forgeries; or into the events preceding 9/11; or into the identity or purposes that were insistent upon war with Iraq. Such questions may raise the stakes far beyond the charges now faced by Mr. Libby, arising from the relatively innocuous offense of Valerie PlameÕ³ outing.

The media has made numerous allusions to NixonÕ³ Watergate fiasco, reminding the public of the alleged offense known as a "cover-up." But what gets politicians and government officials into trouble is not the covering up of their misdeeds, but their failure to do so. It is the failure to hide or disguise official wrongdoing that brings the state into disrepute by allowing evidence of political dishonesty to become public knowledge, thus weakening popular sentiments about the allegedly noble, public-serving purposes of political systems. The sanctity of the state apparatus itself must be protected. The threat of "cover-up" is, for government functionaries, akin to the warnings airline passengers encounter about making jokes regarding bombs.

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A good read and it applies too accurate a perspective in ways.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 07:38 PM

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#59,

WOW, you rock (as awlays) Drewp!


Just tell it like it is. They HATE the truth!


Kudos


capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 07:40 PM

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Capt: "Case in point. . .Trent Lott just appeared on Chris Matthews' Hardball and just questioned whether Karl Rove should remain employed as Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy."

Heehee. This is going to be fun to watch.

Brings to mind something I learned in my undergrad psych. class: If you put rats under enough stress, they start eating one another.

Rats I'd feel sorry for, but not this species of vermin.

Posted by: Drewp at November 2, 2005 07:41 PM

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Allison or Tim or whoever you are,
You are very cruel. You are, as one of the people posted, a lying sack of shit. You have not seen combat. You are here to berate the people who post.
George Bush and his administration have lied us into war. His actions have killed over 2000 servicemen. His actions have killed 100000 Iraqis. By the way, one of the enemy escaped in Afghanistan. Maybe you can go hunt him down for George.
George's inaction has made us less safe. We are no less safe today from terrorists attacks than on 9/11/2001. Because of his ineptness and his desire to give his cronies jobs he has made us less safe during natural disasters too.
Our economy is a shambles. The rich are happy.
The middle class has been legislated into a corner where they have no protections. The poor are losing whatever safeguards they had.
Our education is becoming Christianized. Our checks and balances are being eliminated. Our members of congress indicted.
And you have the nerve to come to this site and post crap. "Keep up the excellent work Mr. President. We all appreciate what you are doing for us." I would appreciate it if he would get on his fucking tricycle and ride back to Crawford. And I would appreciate it if you would not tell our Mr. President that I appreciate anything he does. I don't.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 07:56 PM

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Yep, GOPhers are clearly on that level.

HA!

US and Venezuela in aircraft dogfight

By Patrick Markey in Caracas
November 3, 2005


The Venezuelan President, Hugo Chavez, said his government may give its US-made F-16 fighter jets to Cuba or China and replace them with Chinese or Russian aircraft after he accused Washington of blocking purchases of US military parts.

Any exchange of military hardware to those countries would break an agreement with the US Government on the transfer of technology without Washington's permission and further strain fraying ties between Venezuela and the US.

A fierce critic of the Bush Administration, Mr Chavez has rattled Washington by strengthening ties with anti-US states like Cuba and promoting his self-described socialist revolution as a counterweight to US regional influence.

"If they don't comply with the contract É we can do whatever we want with these aircraft, whatever the hell we want. Maybe we'll give 10 planes to Cuba or to China so they can study the technology," Mr Chavez said. "We could give them away and buy aircraft from China or from Russia É We don't need any US imperialism."

A US military official said there had been no communications with Venezuela about any sale of F-16s to other countries, but noted that US laws on foreign arms sales were "quite strict" regarding third-party transfers.

The US does not trade with Cuba and keeps a tight rein on technology transfers to China.

Israeli media reported last month that Washington had blocked a sale of technology to Venezuela to upgrade its F-16 fighters, which are made by Lockheed Martin. US officials have not confirmed the reports.

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This is where the business of war goods comes apart.

What profit is there in selling weapons and weapons systems to other countries? Sure they are careful to keep the best stuff for us and it would be cool if we have hidden a kill switch in the planes and ordinance we market (I know too James Bond) but I mean in general.

capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 07:57 PM

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Proof politics has long gone to pot


By Julia Baird
November 3, 2005

WHAT a curious state of affairs in Britain, when models are sorely judged for using drugs, while politicians are excused for the same behaviour. As the New Statesman asked, "Politicians on drugs, what's new?"

Does this finally explain the decision to go to war in Iraq? What's going on?

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A bit of perspective on the issue from down under.

capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 08:02 PM

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Here is someone with leadership skills who can unite the insurgency in Iraq. This is going to add to the problems.
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Slow Word of al-Qaida Escape Draws Ire

"He's Iraqi after all. If he's not hiding out (in Afghanistan or Pakistan), he's probably headed to Iraq to join the fight there," said Conboy, who recently published a book on Jemaah Islamiyah, a Southeast Asian terror group that seeks to create a regionwide Islamic state.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 08:05 PM

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More people showing appreciation for our Mr. President.
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Students walk out to protest war, recruiting

James Walsh, Star Tribune
November 3, 2005


More than 1,000 students, many of them from 40 Twin Cities area high schools, protested today against the war in Iraq and military recruiters on campus.

The crowd rallied at Coffman Memorial Union on the University of Minnesota campus before marching through campus, stopping traffic along Washington Avenue and ending up in front of the Army and Navy recruiting offices on Washington Avenue and Oak Street.

University Police Greg Hestness estimated the crowd at about 1,000 people. Protest organizer Ty Moore put the crowd closer to 1,500. Hundreds of people stood to the side as the students marched past, taking photographs or making cell phone calls to friends. Some applauded. A group of 25 to 30 counter-protesters across the street blared "Stars and Stripes Forever" from a pickup truck.

After winding through campus, marchers strode down the center of Washington Avenue. While the group didn't have permission to block off streets, Hestness said, university police went ahead of the marchers to divert traffic for several blocks. Hestness said the event was peaceful.

The walkout is part of a nationwide protest organized by Youth Against War and Racism. The Minnesota event includes the rally and march, followed by a teach-in.

At Bloomington Kennedy, about 20 students walked out to join the protest. Most said they had excused absences; a couple said they didn't have excuses but were going anyway. Minneapolis South reported about 100 students participated.

Kennedy Principal Ron Simmons said that today was the second day of end-of-quarter tests at Kennedy. Any student who walked out without permission would not be able to make up work they miss today and their grades would be affected, he said.

Andrew O'Brien, 17, a Kennedy senior and one of the organizers of the school's walkout, was disappointed that more students weren't participating. He said the timing of the protest during the testing period was a problem. In addition, he said it's been difficult to get Kennedy students interested in the issue. Students are apathetic about politics in general and about the war specifically, he said.

Last week, Moore and other supporters of the protest accused some schools of threatening students who walked out with failing grades. Most schools responded that they would follow their normal policies for absences: If students are excused by a parent, they will be allowed to make up work they miss.

Moore said his group would mount a "pressure campaign" against schools if students are disciplined or are not allowed to make up work as a result of the walkout.


Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 08:16 PM

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First, I am not posting for Allison and she doesn't post for me. Those posts up thread today aren't mine.

Second, Allison has more balls than any of you wimps here! She says it like it needs to be said!

Posted by: Tim at November 2, 2005 08:21 PM

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Well, we have George Bush scaring the hell out of the public with his bird flu preparations and we have experts going crazy trying to calm people down.

Experts dismiss scare over bird flu

...And if Americans are scared of avian flu now, Siegel continues, "imagine what will happen if a single scrawny, flu-ridden migratory bird somehow manages to reach our shores."

That, he maintains, is how the fear epidemic - as opposed to a flu pandemic - spreads.

Back to the unlikely scenario of those migratory birds carrying avian flu to a poultry house somewhere in Kansas.

"Only once in every blue moon do you get infection in a poultry house, and the government has a system of monitoring and eradication that means it is quickly wiped out," Butcher said. "So it can happen, but it is rare and it is not allowed to spread."

Because the United States exports about one-third of the 9 billion poultry produced, if potentially dangerous disease turns up, there is a policy of zero tolerance.

"Other countries would not accept poultry from anywhere in the United States if there was any question of infection," Butcher said.

He said that although there is a potential that the virus could mutate, as it exists, it could not become an important disease in humans.

"For it to become dangerous to humans, it has to go through a pretty significant genetic change. If you put this in perspective, it's not going to happen. For a person to be infected now, it appears that the exposure level has to be astronomical," Butcher said.

"While we are putting all our attention on this avian influenza, another virus is going to come up and bite us in the bottom," he said.


Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 08:29 PM

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Ok Tim. Whatever.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 08:30 PM

Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 08:39 PM

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I thoughtHalloween tricks on blogs were over. Oh yeah today is Dias de Muertes. It seems the trolls are taking a three day event.

Posted by: th at November 2, 2005 08:52 PM

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Jeanne,

You said, "Well, we have George Bush scaring the hell out of the public with his bird flu preparations ..."

Yours is the perfect example of the mindless parroting of the spewing vitriol of the left. What nonsense. the President isn't doing this at all and certainly not personally.

Besides, what the hell is wrong with being prepared? Your comment simply makes no logical sense at all.

Posted by: Tim at November 2, 2005 08:59 PM

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Capt: "Kudos"

Thanks, Capt. I've really got to stop skipping lunch. I can't stomach that garbage at all on an empty stomach.

Posted by: Drewp at November 2, 2005 09:00 PM

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Tim,
What I see is a lot of profit to be made by the drug companies. I would love to believe that the administration is on the up and up on this but their track record is terrible. Do I believe scientists or Bush?

Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 09:05 PM

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Now, ABC News reports tonight that one of the escapees was a top al-qaeda operative. How could this happen with them being guarded by 12,000 U.S. troops?

Is this an inside job?????

UPDATED: 07:48, July 12, 2005, People's Daily Online, China

Suspected al-Qaida operatives escape US Afghan prison
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Four suspected al-Qaida operatives have escaped the most fortified US detention center at US military Headquarters in Afghanistan, a US army statement said Monday.

"Four detainees were reported missing at approximately 5 a.m. and search operations began shortly thereafter," the statement issued in the afternoon said.

It did not give more details. However, Afghan sources say that all the escaped inmates were Arabs affiliated with al-Qaida network.

"Four detainees in the Bagram Airfield detainment facility are unaccounted for, prompting an extensive search," it said.

This is the first time that detainees were able to escape US detention center and put on display security lapse in US holding facilities in Afghanistan.

Local government officials and ground units backed by US military helicopters, the statement added, were searching the surrounding areas to recapture the escaped detainees.

"An investigation into the incident is going on," concluded the statement. More than 400 suspected Taliban and al-Qaida operatives have been held in 23 US military detention centers in Afghanistan.

Source: Xinhua

Posted by: micki at November 2, 2005 09:14 PM

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Mexico Defies Washington on the International Criminal Court


by Katherine Stapp

NEW YORK - If Washington follows through on threats to slash aid to Mexico as punishment for its accession to the International Criminal Court (ICC), it risks further alienating key U.S. allies and drawing attention to its own increasingly shaky human rights record, say activists.

"There will be a price to be paid by the U.S. government in terms of its credibility," Richard Dicker, director of Human Rights Watch's International Justice Program, told IPS.

Mexico signed the Rome Statute of the ICC in September 2000, but did not ratify the treaty and formally deposit it with the United Nations until last week, on Oct. 28, making it the 100th nation to join the ICC.

Washington had warned Mexico that if it ratified the ICC and refused to sign an accord exempting U.S. nationals from the court's jurisdiction, it would cut 11.5 million dollars in funding from aid programs for fighting drug trafficking, according to human rights groups. The amount is equal to almost 40 percent of the economic aid Mexico receives from the United States.

However, Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said last week that Mexico would not sign such an accord, and was willing to lose the aid rather than give the United States special status.

Almost every country in the European Union, 27 African countries, and all but four Latin American countries (Chile, El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua) have now joined the new court based in The Hague, which is empowered to prosecute individuals for genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity committed after Jul. 1, 2002.

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Spreading freedom (to do as we say) and democracy (if you elect who we tell you to elect). Just like the new doctrine here in America: freedom (to support Bush) and Democracy (because Diebold says so).

Bush has never been able to really get out neighbors north or south to do what he wants. That is because threats and demands do not pass for leadership or diplomacy.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 09:18 PM

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Ayahuasca Visions


As part of his research for Supernatural, Graham Hancock traveled to the Peruvian Amazon to drink the powerful plant hallucinogen Ayahuasca with indigenous shamans. Such visionary experiences, Hancock argues, were fundamental to the unprecedented and astonishing evolutionary leap forward achieved by our species during the past 40,000 years and provided the inspiration for the earliest art and religious ideas of mankind. It is difficult for those who have not experienced Ayahuasca, or other related shamanic hallucinogens, to visualise the strange parallel realities into which these substances bring us. Fortunately, however, a number of shamans in the Amazon are also gifted artists and have made paintings of their own visions. Through these paintings it is possible for all of us to get some glimpse of the Ayahuasca Otherworld Рwhich, mysteriously, is not a different place for each different individual who drinks Ayahuasca. On the contrary, whether experienced by an Amazonian shaman, or an American lawyer, or a European businessman, or a Japanese fashion designer, the Ayahuasca realm is always recognizably the same place, inhabited by the same intelligent beings with the same mission to teach us important truths about ourselves and the nature of the universe. The Peruvian shaman Pablo Amaringo is the most famous and gifted of Ayahuasca artists working today and has kindly granted us permission to reproduce here a gallery of his paintings. Click on any of the images for a larger view. For further information on Pablo and his work see www.pabloamaringo.com.

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The artwork is too cool not to share.

capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 09:39 PM

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The winds of mass political re-alignment only blow every generation or so. The winds blew during the Great Depression (culminating in the Presidency of FDR), and during the Cold War (culminating in the Presidence of RWR).

These winds are starting to whip up again, but I suspect that the Democrats are too brain-dead to realize it. They are behind the times, and are trying to act like Republicans, at the very time that their movement is grinding to a halt. If the Dems would cast off a few sacred cows, they could become the majority party for a generation.

For example, if the Democrats would adopt a neutral stance towards abortion-on-demand, and distance themselves from gay marriage and other such issues...and really mean it...they would gain enough moderate Catholic, Hispanic, and Black fundamentalist voters to put many more "wins" in their columns. As long as the Democratic party is hostile to groups as this, they will remain out of power.


Bob in North Dakota

Posted by: Bob in North Dakota at November 2, 2005 09:47 PM

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Drewp - comment # 59

You are a funny little turd.
Now go back to your dunce corner, put on your pointed hat, sit down and eat more of your boogers, you booger eating moron.

Holy shit you are STUPID

PS
Capt, you have to join Drewp. I am sure you are already wearing your pointy hat. Now just get in your corner and munch away.

Posted by: OTHER Tim at November 2, 2005 09:55 PM

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#80
Hi Allison.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 10:14 PM

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If political survival means taking a neutral stance on issues for the sake of same, THAT would be acting like republicans.

A womanÕs choice is her right and a very important issue. As is civil rights for all genders, lifestyles, race, creed, color and class.

You are wrong Bob. I do not get to say that very often but :

If the party does not stand for what is right they will not stand for anything, just like the republicans. Give up the good fight and all that will be left in politics is greed, lies, fabrications and "say anything" politicians and demagogues. That is what has happened to the GOP.

As soon as they sold out to the "Christian Coalition" and the "Moral Majority" and started their insane anti-abortion doctrine I left the GOP and never looked back. 65-70% of regular Sunday Catholics want the choice to belong to the woman.

The idea (push pressroom) that all conservatives are anti-abortion is BS. The neo-creeps keep pushing the idea of "partial-birth" procedures which represent a very small percentage of abortions. The fact is no matter what laws are passed the choice always belongs to a woman. Men need to start respecting something they will never own no matter how concerned they my try to make themselves.

No, So selling out for and office. No selling out to have power. That is what has put the country where we are. We must stand for what is right or just sit down and shut-up. (metaphorically)

A swing and a miss.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 10:17 PM

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William F Buckley on the Plame outing.
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Who Did What?

We have noticed that Valerie Plame Wilson has lived in Washington since 1997. Where she was before that is not disclosed by research facilities at my disposal. But even if she was safe in Washington when the identity of her employer was given out, it does not mean that her outing was without consequence. We do not know what dealings she might have been engaging in which are now interrupted or even made impossible. We do not know whether the countries in which she worked before 1997 could accost her, if she were to visit any of them, confronting her with signed papers that gave untruthful reasons for her previous stay Ñ that she was there only as tourist, or working for a fictitious U.S. company. In my case, it was 15 years after reentry into the secular world before my secret career in Mexico was blown, harming no one except perhaps some who might have been put off by my deception.

The great question here is Robert Novak. It was he who published, in his column, that Mrs. Joseph Wilson was a secret agent of the CIA. I am too close a friend to pursue the matter with Novak, and his loyalty is a postulate. What was going on? If there are mysteries in town, that surely is one of them, the role of Novak.

The importance of the law against revealing the true professional identity of an agent is advertised by the draconian punishment, under the federal code, for violating it. In the swirl of the Libby affair, one loses sight of the real offense, and it becomes almost inapprehensible what it is that Cheney/Libby/Rove got themselves into. But the sacredness of the law against betraying a clandestine soldier of the republic cannot be slighted.

Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 10:24 PM

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OTHER Tim: ". . . you booger eating moron" Makes me shudder to think that we put uniforms on these people and turn them loose with guns and other things that go boom.

Posted by: Drewp at November 2, 2005 10:29 PM

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Poll: Military Gives Bush Thumbs Down On Iraq

POSTED: 3:53 pm EDT October 28, 2005

ELON, N.C. -- More than half of North Carolina military members surveyed in the latest Elon University poll disapprove of President Bush's handling of the war in Iraq and his overall job performance.

Nearly 53 percent of military members said they strongly disapproved or disapproved of Bush's handling of his job. And just more than 56 percent of that same group strongly disapproved or disapproved of how he has dealt with the Iraq war.

Overall, 53 percent of those surveyed did not approve of Bush's job performance, while 57 percent did not approve of his handling of the Iraq war.

"We see that those most involved in the Iraq situation, the military, are not so different from the general public after all and share the same concerns about Iraq," said Hunter Bacot, the poll's director. "Conventional wisdom might suggest that the military would be more supportive of Bush in Iraq, but that simply isn't the case if you look at the numbers."

North Carolina has one of the nation's largest military presences, with major Army, Marine and Air Force installations based in eastern North Carolina. North Carolina-based active-duty and reserve units have seen extensive action since the United States attacked Afghanistan following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Of the 539 adults surveyed for the Elon poll, 80 -- or 14.8 percent of the sample -- were active-duty, reserve, retired or veteran members of the military. The telephone poll was conducted between Monday and Thursday and has a margin of error for the entire sample of plus or minus 4.3 percentage points.

The margin of error, which reflects the confidence that the results speak for an entire group, is higher for smaller groups, such as the 80 military members.

Just over half of those people surveyed said the United States should no longer be in Iraq, while nearly 43 percent agreed that the country should remain there. The rest said they did not know or refused to answer.

Roughly half of those polled -- 52 percent -- said they do not know if the war in Iraq was worth fighting. The poll showed about 15 percent believe the war was worthwhile and 29.1 percent do not think so.

Military members were somewhat more supportive of the United States' presence in Iraq than the general population, with exactly half saying the nation should be there and 41.3 percent saying it should not.

More than half of military members -- 51 percent -- said they did not know if the war was worth fighting, while 19 percent said the war was worth it and 29 percent said it was not

The low approval numbers for Bush seen in the poll continue a pattern of declining support for the second-term president seen in previous Elon polls and nationally.

The percentage of those surveyed who say they strongly approve or approve of Bush's job performance was down to 41 percent in the current poll from a recent peak of 55 percent in February 2004.

Approval of Bush's handling of the Iraq war has dropped from 52 percent in September 2003 to nearly 39 percent now.

Approval of the president's handling of the economy ticked up slightly in the current poll, to 37 percent, from the 36 percent approval registered in April. The peak was 42 percent in September 2004.

Elon's Institute for Politics and Public Affairs has been conducting its poll since 2000.

Posted by: Military Mom at November 2, 2005 10:53 PM

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Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird


London's Sunday Telegraph reported in July that, because of the shortage of military supplies caused by troops deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq, British Army soldiers on training exercises were ordered simply to shout "bang bang" rather than fire practice rounds. [Courier-Mail (Brisbane), 9-9-05] [Sunday Telegraph (London), 7-17-05]

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More sad than funny.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 10:58 PM

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Poll: Few doubt wrongdoing in CIA leak


Neighbor, former official questioned with grand jury set to expire


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Only one in 10 Americans said they believe Bush administration officials did nothing illegal or unethical in connection with the leaking of a CIA operative's identity, according to a national poll released Tuesday.

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Only one in ten? I think the numbers are very telling indeed. Something to keep in mind when the cry-baby neocons start fussing.

The ten percent are the most delusional and are completely over-represented here and in the media.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 11:18 PM

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Cheney's approval rating at 19%

Who are those crazy bastards?

Posted by: caroline at November 2, 2005 11:19 PM

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Oh. One decimal point is Tim.

Posted by: caroline at November 2, 2005 11:20 PM

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#86
Bang bang.... Who's staring in this weird movie we're in? Alan Arkin? Peter Sellers? Buster Keaton?

Posted by: Jeanne at November 2, 2005 11:23 PM

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David, if Fitzgerald is doing a thorough job of who and how Valerie Plame's identity was leaked.. Why would we want that investigation duplicated?

I want every stitch of the false pre-war intelligence needs to be thoroughly investigated and all of the individuals involved. What ever they call it, how ever it is done. OUr representatives need to do it.

David do you think journalist did enough reporting a year and a half ago on the road blocking of Phase II of the SSCI ? I have really been thiking the main stream media failed the american public again, by not attempting to shed light on this important topic over a year and a half ago.
I know you try hard to inform. Although when I googled this topic a year ago very little came up. Do you know which journalist or media sources that covered Phase II last year?

Posted by: kathleen at November 2, 2005 11:28 PM

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Yes, Bush lied

Posted: October 6, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern


2003 WorldNetDaily.com


WASHINGTON РA year ago, on Oct. 1, one of the most important documents in U.S. history was published and couriered over to the White House.

The 90-page, top-secret report, drafted by the National Intelligence Council at Langley, included an executive summary for President Bush known as the "key judgments." It summed up the findings of the U.S. intelligence community regarding the threat posed by Iraq, findings the president says formed the foundation for his decision to preemptively invade Iraq without provocation. The report "was good, sound intelligence," Bush has remarked.

Most of it deals with alleged weapons of mass destruction.

But page 4 of the report, called the National Intelligence Estimate, deals with terrorism, and draws conclusions that would come as a shock to most Americans, judging from recent polls on Iraq. The CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency and the other U.S. spy agencies unanimously agreed that Baghdad:

had not sponsored past terrorist attacks against America,

was not operating in concert with al-Qaida,

and was not a terrorist threat to America.

"We have no specific intelligence information that Saddam's regime has directed attacks against U.S. territory," the report stated.

However, it added, "Saddam, if sufficiently desperate, might decide that only an organization such as al-Qaida could perpetrate the type of terrorist attack that he would hope to conduct."

Sufficiently desperate? If he "feared an attack that threatened the survival of the regime," the report explained.

"In such circumstances," it added, "he might decide that the extreme step of assisting the Islamist terrorists in conducting a CBW [chemical and biological weapons] attack against the United States would be his last chance to exact vengeance by taking a large number of victims with him."

In other words, only if Saddam were provoked by U.S. attack would he even consider taking the "extreme step" of reaching out to al-Qaida, an organization with which he had no natural or preexisting relationship. He wasn't about to strike the U.S. or share his alleged weapons with al-Qaida Рunless the U.S. struck him first and threatened the collapse of his regime.

"Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists," Bush said Oct. 7 in his nationally televised Cincinnati speech. "Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving fingerprints." The terrorists he was referring to were "al-Qaida members."

By telling Americans that Saddam could "on any given day" slip unconventional weapons to al-Qaida if America didn't disarm him, the president misrepresented the conclusions of his own secret intelligence report, which warned that Saddam wouldn't even try to reach out to al-Qaida unless he were attacked and had nothing to lose Рand might even find that hard to do since he had no history of conducting joint terrorist operations with al-Qaida, and certainly none against the U.S.

If that's not lying, I don't know what is.

Forget that Bush lied about the reasons for putting our sons and daughters in harm's way in Iraq; and forget that he sent 140,000 troops there with bull's-eyes on their backs, then dared their attackers to bring it on.

It was the height of irresponsibility to have done so in the middle of a war on al-Qaida, the real and proven threat to America. Bush diverted those troops and other resources Рincluding intelligence assets, Arabic translators and hundreds of billions of tax dollars Рfrom the hunt for Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders along the Afghan-Pakistani border. And now they've regrouped and are as threatening as ever.

That's inexcusable, and Bush supporters with any intellectual honesty and concern for their own families' safety should be mad as hell about it Рand that's coming from someone who voted for Bush.

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A WND piece. Well documents the lies. A good reference.


capt

Posted by: capt at November 2, 2005 11:36 PM

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Anatomy of a lie


Posted: July 15, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern


2003 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice insists neither she nor the president knew the CIA raised serious doubts about a nuke-weapons charge against Iraq in his last State of the Union speech.

"If there was a concern about the underlying intelligence there, the president was unaware of that concern, as was I," she told reporters Friday aboard Air Force One.

The language the White House originally wanted to use in its allegation was even more baseless and reckless Рthat Iraq recently sought up to 500 tons of uranium from Niger.

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Another WND piece. Look at the dates and consider the source. Then consider this: Niger only produces about 500 tons or uranium a year. They sell to several countries and c