Basic Trust

I have shared with you some information regarding a paradox. I will now stress the importance of basic trust in the eight stages of human development. The Bush misadministration has been a very secretive cabal because Bush does not possess basic trust which should have been instilled in his formative years. He and his brothers have nicknamed their mother, "Nutcracker." This nickname should be quite revealing to you. Everything the misadministration does is done in secret. Some secrecy in government is necessary but with Bush it is an obsession of a sick person.

The eighth stage and the last stage is integrity. Integrity is reached about the age of forty-five. For a person to reach integrity everything starts with basic trust. You pass through the various stages. In Bush's life age forty-five is about the time he found God and said that he would not be a drunk. A dozen years later he becomes president through fraud and rigged elections. Bush is a nutcase but more seriously he displays a depraved indifference toward living human beings. It is my perceptual opinion that Bush is close to becoming an insane person. He is too sick to lead a democracy. He will do all in his power to bring down American democracy. Everything that he touches becomes demented and deranged. You see as Americans the unraveling of insane policies from an insane or close to insane person.

Nov. 2 "Drive Out the Bush Regime" Gets Major Endorsements
by Drive Out the Bush Regime

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Howard Zinn, Code Pink, Mumia Abu-Jamal are among those endorsing day of walk outs and mobilizations Nov 2, anniversary of Bush's "re"-election, to drive his regime out of office. Local actions are along Wilshire Bl - noon to 8 pm.

Walk outs at noon from work and schools, demonstrations, direct actions.

US military Casualties

W.W.II -- 295,000

Vietnam War -- 58,202

United States Civil War -- 620,000
Battle of Gettysburg -- 46,000

Iraq war on terrorism -- 2,000

Fortunately for the USA, the war on terrorism being fought in Iraq is nothing like the Vietnam war. Anyone who even mentions them in the same breath is ignorant or a liar.

The Bush administration has waged the most successful, urgent, essential, necessary military action in the history of the United States.

Keep up the excellent work Mr. President. We all appreciate what you are doing for us.

David, The PlameGate issue is inextricably linked to the lies in the run-up to the war. It will be impossible to investigate one without having an investigation about the other. In fact, Plame's outing is merely the end portion of a series of events that began with trumped up war intelligence: http://greyhairsblog.blogspot.com/2005/11/yellowcake-maze-4th-edition.html I know you know this. Why be coy?

White House Ducks Prewar Intel Questions" By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press

The White House sought to deflect politically charged questions Wednesday about President Bush's use of prewar intelligence in Iraq, saying Democrats, too, had concluded Saddam Hussein was a threat.

"If Democrats want to talk about the threat that Saddam Hussein posed and the intelligence, they might want to start with looking at the previous administration and their own statements that they've made," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

He said the Clinton administration and fellow Democrats "used the intelligence to come to the same conclusion that Saddam Hussein and his regime were a threat." [...]

[...]Roberts' committee produced a 511-page report in 2004 on flaws in an Iraq intelligence estimate assembled by the country's top analysts in October 2002, and he promised a second phase would look at issues that *couldn't be finished in the first year of work.

The committee has worked on the second phase of the review, Roberts said, but it has not finished. He blamed Democrats for the delays and said his staff had informed Democratic counterparts on Monday that the committee hoped to complete the second phase next week.

"Now we have this ... stunt 24 hours after their staff was informed that we were moving to closure next week," a clearly angry Roberts told reporters. "If that's not politics, I'm not standing here."

For their part, Reid and Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, claimed that Republicans have repeatedly rebuffed Democratic pleas for a thorough investigation.

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Nothing new on the blame Clinton front, don't want to play the blame game unless it is to blame the last administation. I did find this curious though, "*couldn't be finished in the first year of work." I thought that was wouldn't be done during an election.

Roberts wants to blame the democrats for not getting phase two done? Don't want to play the blame game, of course, unless it's to blame democrats. How could they be moving to closure, when no investigatory hearings were held? How could Roberts have already started working on a report?

Fortunately for the USA, the war on terrorism being fought in Iraq is nothing like the Vietnam war. Anyone who even mentions them in the same breath is ignorant or a liar.

The Bush administration has waged the most successful, urgent, essential, necessary military action in the history of the United States.

Keep up the excellent work Mr. President. We all appreciate what you are doing for us.
Allison
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Such sloppy word usage. Leaving aside the irrelevant statistics, and I could throw in the number of innocent Iraqis dead, according to Lancet/Johns Hopkins, but I won't, let us analyze this post, just for shits & giggles.

Just reading your first statement aloud in one exhalation would, ipso facto, make me either ignorant or a liar. Ooops #1.

Deception was used to sell both conflicts. Ooops #2, and I'll forgo any other easily made comparisons.

Urgent and essential? You've got to be putting us on. Inspectors and the like, Ooopses 3 & 4.

And obviously, you do not speak for us all.

So many mistakes in only 5 sentences.

Schwartz

The only mistake is you not understanding how full of shit you are.

No one cares what was said to justify this essential war. Ignorant traitors like you would not have agreed to anything. You don't care about anything but yourself. We needed to go, we went, and no one cares that you are to stupid to understand.

"If Democrats want to talk about the threat that Saddam Hussein posed and the intelligence, they might want to start with looking at the previous administration and their own statements that they've made," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

Well, there you go. It was Clinton's fault! And them damn Dems kept delaying phase 2 to protect the Big Dawg. Fitz can go home now, the case is solved. Apologize to Scooter and tell him it was all a misunderstanding. The Dems lied and covered up their march to war. I can see it all more clearly now. Clinton strong-armed us into war during a R's administration. It's a Dem scam to bring in Hillary as our savior, right? right?
We need to start a petition to make sure Clinton don't lead us into Syria next!#$%
Help us Mr. Frist!

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"We all appreciate what you are doing for us."

I don't.

Allison, have you written that petition yet?

Clinton should've had Gore set up an "Office of Special PLans/Stained Dress Division".
*cough*

Allison,
If you are going to insult Robert, I would suggest you do a little (I mean a lot) research. You are not capable of holding a candle to him. I would suggest you go to the last blog and look at my post where I link Money for Nothing. Your essential war is a joke. Even the conservatives think so. It is a mess and to support it now that all the lies have been revealed is an insult to our intelligence.

"No one cares what was said to justify this essential war" babbles "Allison" maniacally. Speaks volumes about the nature of the still willing enablers of atrocities, eh? Maybe you should get yourself over there to the glorious cause and start killing all the Iraqi "terrorists" willy nilly, Allison, before they swim the ocean in frog suits and plant dirty bombs among us, or something. You seem quite cut out for wanton slaughter.

I asked yesterday, and David mentioned it... now I'm even more curious how the Arkansas speech went. Anybody seen anything from the school, or local papers??

1-800-USA-ARMY

Let me start by saying for all of you who love Bush as your god, join the military services at 1-800-USA-ARMY.

I hate this war with Iraq because it is a wrong and an immoral war. As the death toll of American soldiers rise, I am more furious because these soldiers have been killed for the Bush lies, for oil, for us to bring down Saddam Hussein and replace him with a more corrupt government. In my readings Iraq is a very corrupt government. We have American soldiers killed not to spread democracy but to establish a corrupt government. How do the parents and loved ones feel about their sons, daughters, husbands, and wives being killed for a corrupt government?

Bush, cheney, rumsfeld, and a host of other regime officials are nothing more than scumbags, slime balls, and low life sludges. These people are perverse, demented, depraved, and deranged creatures.

Anyone who voted for these murderous thugs are accomplices in the murder of American soldiers and the Iraqi people.

Riff

Already been there and killed a bunch of them, and you are welcome, for me not letting them come over here and hurt you.

#16 I was never concerned about Saddam and his Baathists being a threat to us here at all. We've stirred up plenty of real danger and hatred now though. Nice work (if you were really there; other trolls have been embarassed by trying to make that claim). I am sure you wouldn't worry at all about shooting straight. After all it's just "them", and who cares if the whole lot of them Iraqis and their little children are wiped from the planet, right?

Good for the Dems - it's about time someone asks the right questions and demands answers.

Robert Schwartz - you are the greatest. Keep posting.

Gerald

You are directly responsible for the deaths of American soldiers by giving aid and encouragement to the terrorists. Your encouragement, in the form of telling the enemy they might have a chance, is by showing them there is a small minority traitors like you here at home who are with them and against our own government.

It will not work Gerald. Those of us who have actually seen their faces and truly understand how dangerous they are to the way of life you now enjoy, will stand by our GREAT PRESIDENT.

Riff

Yeah, like you care about anybody but yourself.

I noticed that you were not concerned enough to mention the innocents the terrorists kill on purpose.

American Soldiers

2,278 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush’≥ evil lies.

Let us not forget the 15,500 maimed American soldiers and the 42,000 soldiers who suffer from post traumatic stress disorder.

Many of these soldiers will not receive help from the Veterans Aministration becaues the taxcuts and budget cuts are going to the rich unpatriotic Americans.

Bush is not going to back this. Rove will not let him. You have the body and then you have the brain! They are not attached and that the problem! Rove speaks for Mr. Bush.. and today quote..

" We will not comment on an ongoing investigation"

Assessing the President

There are generals and church people who say that George W. Bush was chosen to be president by God. I cannot prove or disprove what people are saying. So, I offer you my assessment with some trepidation.

George W. Bush and his regime have been an experiment in mendacity with the American people. His disciples claim that he is the messianic messenger but his message has obfuscated the American people. His character lacks the probity to be a leader and his actions are more reflective of a nefarious person. George W. Bush expects Americans and the media to obsequious to what he says because he says it.

Before I accept the hyperbole that George W. Bush was chosen by God to be president and that God speaks to him, he must possess the virtues of my God which are humility, love, mercy, and patience. Personally, Mr. Bush does not possess any of these virtues. I see him more as a controlling, punitive, and vengeful person, totally lacking in compassion.

George W. Bush displays a depraved indifference toward the killing of living human beings.

Corporations and Persons

I watched Television Ontario (TVO). The program title was "The Corporation - The Pathology of Commerce." The program mentioned that the Supreme Court ruled that a corporation is a person than surely a person is a person. The program highlighted a checklist for mental disorders. Since a corporation can be considered a person, the mental disorder checklist can be applied.

Here is the checklist.
1. Callousness toward people
2. Impersonal relationships with people
3. Disregard for the safety of others
4. Deceitfulness
5. Incapacity to experience guilt
6. Failure to comply toward social norms to benefit people

From the checklist corporations displayed a psychopathic mental disorder. If we use the same checklist for our two highest leaders, then we would have to conclude that george w. bush and dick chaney display the same mental disorder. It would be my perception that the above two men are unfit to be president and vice-president, respectively. They hold too much power for men who have a possible mental disorder.

Paradox

Louis Tice of the Pacific Institute in Seattle, Washington offers a paradox, "You give up control in order to be in control." Confident leaders do not have to rule by controlling and punitive threats. He also discusses Erickson's book, "Eight Stages of Human Development" regarding leadership. Leadership starts at the top with basic trust. A dishonest leader cannot be an effective leader. Controlling and punitive threats will have consequences and there will be a backlash against such a leader. People will subtly undermine the leader and in the end the leader is not in control and he or she remains in a constant state of fear. A fearful leader is an unstable leader. Good examples of fearful and unstable leaders are Napoleon and Hitler. We must be vigilant of such leaders, be it in the United States or in the world.

Please pay careful attention to Bush's behavior. You do not have to be a licensed psychiatrist or a Ph.D. psychologist to know that Bush is a very sick person. His increased temper tantrums, his abusive language, his flying all over the country, and his apparent alcoholism and drug intake are signs that Bush is losing it. We have in the WH a very unstable beast that could snap at any minute. We must never forget this psycho's depraved indifference in the murdering of human beings. Pray hard for this demented and deranged amoeba!

to:
Gerald

American Soldiers

2,278 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush? evil lies.

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Gerald, You must take your responsibility for a large part of those deaths. You have been and are still helping the terrorists. Your are contemptible.

MUCH SHAME ON YOU, you killer of American soldiers.

Allison, you are a lying sack of shit!

Mr. David Corn,

"he could simply have his White House come clean. He could order all his aides to state publicly what they did or witnessed and what they told the grand jury. "

I thought that was what was already promised?

It is useless if you have to ask people to tell the truth. Pretty obvious what the problem is and whose fault it is.

Everybody knows who invaded Iraq and the reasons we were told, to the each were lies and fabrications to expect the WH to have gained a respect for the truth is not supported by the evidence of their history.

Thanks again

Kirk

"Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress had been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." -- Oscar Wilde - (1854-1900)

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It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics: -Robert A. Heinlein

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Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear: -Thomas Jefferson

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"I do esteem individual liberty above everything. What is a nation for, but to secure the maximum liberty to every individual?" : D. H. Lawrence
(1885-1938) Source: Letter, 12 July 1916

Thanks ICH newsletter

Get off your knees allison GW already has someone to do that for him. if you believe all that BS you are posting then I would love to see how well you make out when the storm troopers come knocking until that day don't give any crap to your betters, and put a sock in it. If you don't like the comments on here then leave and quickly we sure don't have any shortage of asshole trolls here lately so we must be getting to them, which is a good thing. So rant if you wish but it ain't gonna matter in a few more months. Your sorry ass will be sniveling and whining about the lack of housing and food that you don't have and your president can't do anything about it, AGAIN. Let's see what has he done that has worked? Uh? No answer? You are correct, nothing, not one damn thing and all his words are empty like your thoughts not a completed project in his whole reign so take a shot at the reich wing bushbots there are plenty of other web sites. Go on get out of here. He He!!

Bush Family Secrets

Prescott Bush had dealings with Hitler for nine years. He would tell the family that he admired Hitler's leadership skills.

George, elder, was involved in the Iran-Contra cover-up. This was a treasonous act that went nowhere. He gave weapons of mass destruction to Iraq. He remained silent of the murders of the Chinese students in China in 1989. He broke promises to the Iraqi people to overthrow Saddam after the Gulf War. He helped train Osama bin Laden's terrorists. Bush, elder, is an advisor to the Carlyle Company that invests heavily in defense contracts to gain huge profits from war and weaponry. He said that if Americans knew what the Bushes did to this country, they would be chased down the streets and lynched.

Barbara "Nutcracker" Bush said that why should worry about body bags and death. She does not want to worry her beautiful mind with body bags and death.

Neil Bush's saving and loan scandals were covered up or he was never tried.

Jeb Bush's rigging of Florida’≥ 2000 election.

Bush, younger, and his business dealings made him millions of dollars through questionable information from insider stock sales. He had close ties with Ken Lay and Enron. He spiked the investigations of Osama bin Laden. He made his first million dollars as principal of Arbusto Oil in Texas, a nearly worthless venture ended up a gold mine with the financing of Saudi-linked businessmen and Gulf Arabs. He received $4.1 million for his presidential run from five Texas energy companies that controlled the energy power sales to California. These companies were Enron, TXU, Reliant, Dynegy, and the El Paso Corporation. At Arbusto Oil Bush had an offshore tax shelter to avoid paying federal income taxes. Bush is a true rich unpatriotic American? Bush, younger, has loosened regulations toward companies that manufacture and produce toxic products and toxic wastes that are sent into our environment. He is awarding tract to companies that have offshore tax shelters and pay no taxes. Halliburton has 20 such tax shelters. Yet, Americans are asked to pay taxes. American companies with offshore tax shelters avoid paying close to $700 billion in taxes. Americans have paid nearly $300 billion so far for the Iraq war. It is estimated that Americans will have to pay over $2 trillion for 20 years of occupation. These monies are lost to our citizens in our cities and states. Homeland Security is wasting money and a waste of time. We have the security departments to do the job without Homeland Security. Bush's increase in temper tantrums is a warning sign of a demented and deranged psycho.

This information is only the tip of the iceberg. George, younger, rides to the presidency with the Catholic vote because he says that he is pro-life. As governor of Texas 152 inmates were put to death. As president he starts a war with the killing of thousands of Iraqis and American lives. The war started through lies. Bush is a murderer and a war criminal. He has signed directives to kill Iraqi leaders and possibly other leaders from other countries. Bush claims to be compassionate and pro-life but Americans have no universal health care and affordable prescription drugs. Bush has loosened regulations for corporations to hire illegal aliens. They hire these illegal aliens but do not have their names on the books to avoid paying about $400 billion in taxes. The tax breaks that corporations receive through offshore tax shelters and the loosening of regulations to hire illegal aliens even with Homeland Security corporations do not pay $1.1 per year in taxes. Can you imagine what Americans can do with $1.1 trillion for health care, the environment, education, poverty, road construction, mass transit, and overall quality of life for the American people?

The Formula

I am giving you a formula that I believe will bring about justice and peace. Actually, God has given me these ideas directly for a better world. You can accept what I say through Divine Providence or reject what I say. We are all given a free choice. The decision is yours alone.

1. Shalom translated means peace but it is more than peace. Shalom is God's vision of the world. It is God's dream that Shalom comes only to the inclusive embracing community that excludes no one.
2. In each of us there is a Jesus and a Hitler. We should always strive to bring out the Jesus in us.
3. Love is wanting the best for another person or persons.
4. Try to emulate Mother Teresa who saw in each human being the face of Jesus.
5. War is outmoded; no normal person chooses war over peace.
6. From James in the New Testament - Faith without deeds is worth nothing.
7. Practice your faith that believes in the true God. God wants us to love one another.
8. Read the Bible because it is God’≥ love letter to us.
9. Read Mattie Stepanek's books on Heartsongs.
10. John Kerry says that it is not important for God to be on our side, what is important are we on God's side?
11. Read Matthew 25:31-46! When you do it to the least of my brethren, you do it for me.
12. Read Matthew 5:1-12! The beatitudes!
13. Read Luke 10:25-37! Who is my neighbor?
14. Read Luke 12:13-21! These verses warn us against greed.
15. Be aware of the Just War Theory! Are we in imminent danger?
16. Practice being a Conscientious Objector!
17. St. Ambrose says, "I shall pass this way but once, any good that I can do let me do it now, because I shall not pass this way again."
18. Totus Tuus means all yours. We are all God's children.
19. Paul Wellstone says that politics is not about power. Politics is not only about money. Politics is not about winning for the sake of winning. Politics is about the improvement of people's lives. It is about advancing the cause of peace and justice in our country and in the world. Politics is about doing well for people.
20. Mr. Bourn who built the Filoli Home and Gardens that is south of San Francisco says that we must fight for a just cause; we must love our fellow man; and we must live a good life.
21. When we recite the Lord's Prayer, we are acknowledging that God is the Father and we are all brothers and sisters.
22. The Cross is a sign of contradiction. It is not about death and hatred; it is about life and love.
23. St. Irenaeus says, "The glory of God is man fully alive." Man can only be fully alive when he loves God with his whole mind, body, and soul. And, when he loves his neighbor, as he loves himself.

Many persons will have and will offer various formulas for justice and peace. The end result will center on whether or not we have love and mercy in our hearts. Justice and peace can never move forward unless we have a conversion of the heart.

Leo Buscaglia reminds us that the heart sees what the eyes fail to see. In life we may be called upon to see with our hearts. Our hearts must be filled with love and mercy.

The moral demise of a nation precedes the ultimate demise of a nation. America is in a state of moral demise because Americans do not believe in God. They have chosen the antichrist of money, nuclear weapons, and the words of Bush.

Has anyone seen the site george bush is the antichrist.com? I was skeptical at first. Stephen Hanchett goes into great detail to describe what he believes. It makes one wonder if he isn't too far from the truth describing the evil embodiment of george(the butcher)bush. how much blood does he have on his hands now, 260some executed in Texas during his reign there, now 2000+ dead GI's plus untold thousands of Iraqi people and he still wants more! The supposed antichrist will masquerade as a religious man for purpose of deception. I only hope Stephen is incorrect

What the F

I never have and never will give crap to my betters. I only try to educate ignorant traitors like you and Gerald.

You could be right about no food or housing if nuts like you and your kind ever get any power.

No, that will not happen. Your kind of back stabbing cowards are done. Live with it, of course, at the expense of people like me, and our GREAT President Bush.

War is a narcotic.

War is a narcotic. War gives certain people a high. Bush is a drug addict who says he has recovered but the Iraq war is an addictive narcotic that gives bush his daily high. He says that he has recovered but you never recover from an addictive personality. The longer a war lasts the more power goes to the government.

We start hating through language and from language we start to want to kill people. War gives the addictive personality meaning. Bush cannot exist without war. The state begins to define our being. The state must control us in order for us to kill. We cannot look at another person as part of humanity. Friends do not want war. You must, in war, want to kill and a person cannot be a friend to a person whom he is out to kill. People become intoxicated in war toward killing. You lose yourself and your identity as a human person in war.

If you oppose war, you court physical violence to yourself by the nationalists who desire and crave killing and war. You need moral courage to oppose war in America, a land that is overrun by nationalists who want killing and war.

Human beings do not want to kill other human beings. bush and cheney are not human beings because they want to kill human beings. bush and cheney turned away from people who had empathy for us after 9/11. We had an opportunity to build friendships but we became racists.

The republican party possesses extremists who are doing great damage to our relations in the world. Once you become violent, you hang onto and remain violent because you cannot behave any other way. Violence comes back to haunt a country. Our violence to other countries will come back to haunt us. We do not have the right to control other people.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT BUSH AND CHENEY ARE PLANNING A TERRORIST ATTACK INSIDE THE USA THROUGH A COVERT OPERATION WITH THE JACKALS (CIA) SO THEY CAN REMAIN IN CONTROL AND IN POWER FOREVER.

Mad Wars

Brothers and Sisters - Awake!

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How much longer will Christians excuse President Bush's blatantly anti-Christian policies and personal behavior? Is the 'R' representing his political persuasion reason enough for Christians to cast a blind eye? The fact of the matter is that Bush's policies are virtually identical to that of his predecessor, and yet Bush is showered with praise while Clinton is continually demonized. Such an observation leads me to believe that it is not Bush's neo-conservative agenda nor exemplary leadership, but solely his public profession of faith which has gained him the admiration of the religious-right.

The irony in this situation is that Clinton likewise portrayed himself as Christian; nevertheless, he was despised by most fundamental Bible-thumpers. So why does Bush come across as more believable? Again, I ask, is it the mere fact that he is Republican?

Bush obviously wears his religion on his sleeve for public consumption, but I was never comfortable with that being the sole reason for Bush's overwhelming acceptance among fellow Christians. Now, after years of earnest prayer and research, I have come to the conclusion that George W. Bush is indeed a religious man - broadly Christian - yet twisted and macabre in ways most people are unaware. In other words, what the Christian community as a whole fails to understand is that Bush's version of Christianity is far from what is deemed "fundamental."

President Bush, like his father and grand-father before him, is an elitist. He is part of a cabal of individuals whom believe that they posess secret knowledge which has been passed down since the time of King Solomon. They believe that they are the "enlightened ones, " and that Christ has entrusted them with ushering-in the prophesied millenium; the thousand years of world peace. They believe that it is they, through Christ, whom will ultimately save mankind and rule over the entire earth; a.k.a. "New World Order."

Bush and the neocons are deceived - such beliefs are occultic and will probably prove to be the catalist for Armagedon. Nevertheless, persuading Christians of this fact can prove difficult. Yet by continually shedding light upon Bush's un-christian and un-conservative works, our brothers and sisters are slowly beginning to awake.

If you are a constitutional conservative or a fundamental christian, and you find yourself sceptical of the information alledged thus far, I ask that you suspend your preconceived notions about Bush, disregard his 'conservative' and 'compassionate' rhetoric, and focus solely upon his deeds as outlined in this site. It was our Savior Himself who stated that we shall know them by their fruits.

As a pretext to investing your valuable time sifting through the vast information archived herein, I ask that you ponder the following nine points. If you find yourself in disagreement with my assertions, then there is certainly no need to waste any more of your time. On the other hand, if you find yourself agreeing, either in whole or in part, then I encourage you to take a prolonged look at the considerable works of the man who now occupies the most power office in the land.

During his inauguration, George W. Bush placed his left hand upon the Holy Bible and took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, yet since his swearing-in, the Constitution has been violated in almost every conceivable manner. From FREE-SPEECH ZONES to WARRANTLESS SEARCHES to TORTURING DETAINEES, Bush has systematically dismantled the very document that he swore an oath before God to protect.

President Bush's Department of Homeland Security is the biggest federal power grab since the days of Franklin D. Roosevelt. This trojan-horse poses a greater threat to our personal liberties than standing armys. Centralizing military and law enforcement power into the executive branch is the very definition of a Police State!

Bush claims that the war in Iraq is necessary to prevent further terrorism, nevertheless our borders remain wide-open. Furthermore, while there remain many unanswered questions regarding September 11th as well as the subsequent absense of WMDs in Iraq, Bush consistently objects to any independent investigation. We are simply supposed to believe that our intelligent agencies were inept, but Bush has fixed them.

Perhaps Saddam Hussein did use chemical weapons against his own people, but the U.S. government did likewise when it gassed women and children at their church in Waco, Texas. In that abhorent instance, the military was illegally utilized in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. A different administration - yes, but President Bush never held the previous administration responsible; and now Bush publically admits that he would support the dismantling of the Posse Comitatus Act.

President Bush is the biggest spender in the history of the republic - not just on military expenditures, but likewise on social programs. SOCIALISM is unbiblical - God's word commands us to "Love thy neighbor as yourself," which nullifies favoritism and/or discrimination. Socialism boils down to government's forcible extraction of assets from earners for the purpose of redistribution among non-earners (or to whom-ever government officials feel can be persuaded to return the favor via the ballot-box). It should be apparent that "Compassionate conservatism" is simply a neoconservative buzz-word for their brand of socialism. True compassion is defined as the free-exercise of giving; either of one's time, knowledge, or resources. Monies paid under duress - even for a lofty purpose - is not compassion; it is theft. It matters not that it is by decree of government nor by will of the majority, stealing is always a violation of God's Law!

While Bush has verbally taken a moral stand on homosexuality and abortion, he has stacked his cabinet with pro-abortionists and homosexual activists. Bush signed into law a bill which gives federal death benefits to same sex partners, and a DC appropriations bill that allows same sex benefits. Bush has never asked Congress to stop funding for Planned Parenthood, but he did send $15 billion of American taxpayer money to the United Nations for HIV/AIDS programs in Africa - so Planned Parenthood can push its sinister agenda on those people too.

President Reagan withdrew from the anti-American UNESCO organization, basically a global school board which supports the diabolical Earth Charter. President Bush approves of UNESCO; thus, while our children are neither free to read from the Bible nor mention the name of Christ in school, they are led to worship Mother Earth under the guise of education. The Earth Charter is housed in an Ark of Hope which makes its way around the country. Any true Christian should be able to see the blasphemous implications.

Would a Christian pass laws to further erode parents' God-given rights to educate their own children? Bush did just that with his "No Child Left Behind Bill" which mandates further government intrusion into the very institution (government schools) used to enforce the homosexual agenda upon our children. The Republican Party used to run on the platform of dismantling the unconstitutional Department of Education; however, we now have a Republican president pumping billions of additional dollars into this ungodly system!

President Bush, his father, and his grandfather are "Bonesmen" - members of the macabre Skull and Bones secret society. The group meets in building known as The Tomb, and part of the initiation process involves lying naked in a coffin and reveal sexual exploits. The Bush's are also members of the elite Bohemian Grove where they attend annual pagan rituals before the great "Owl" which admittedly includes mock human sacrifice!

In all honesty, none of our recent presidential administrations have come close to living up to God's standard. But Bush is the one in office now, and he has taken us to a new low. This site is dedicated to the honest revelation of President Bush's religious beliefs and political policies. This is NOT a Bush-bashing site - there are no personal attacks - it merely presents Bush's true record which is neither conservative, christian, nor compassionate. Nevertheless, if you are in favor of big-government, big-business, open borders, and globalism, then consider this a pro-Bush site.

Please understand that opposing Bush and the neo-conservative agenda does not make you a liberal Democrat! Likewise, this site does contain articles written by liberal Democrats whose bias is easily identified within their diatribe. These articles are included solely because I deem there to be factual content behind the spin, not because I am in agreement with their ideology. But this site also contains articles penned by my fellow constitutional christians who likewise see Bush for what he is - in spite of being a Republican.

This website has been created to be both a resource in awakening my brothers and sisters in Christ as well as a cyber-refuge for knowledgable Christians to communicate and build each other up via the chat-room and forum. Your comments are appreciated.

May we all continue to grow in the knowledge and grace of our Lord and Savior!

Ally is Timmie

Gerald, You seem to believe in God. Which is more important --- A woman's right to murder her baby, or the baby's right to live? What do you think God would say?

What? Are you afraid to answer in front of your left wing nut friends?

Pay your taxes allison I need the income.

Tim the troll needs to get off this left wing nut blog and spend some quality time with his family. Put your family values where your mouth is.

ACTION ALERT

Stop funding the war! Bring them home!

Ask your member of Congress to support legislation to stop funding the deployment of U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq

Later this week or next week, Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Massachusetts) will introduce legislation to stop funding the deployment of U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq. The bill would allow Defense Department funds to be used only to provide for: the safe and orderly withdrawal of all troops; consultations with other governments, NATO, and the UN regarding international forces; and financial assistance and equipment to either Iraqi security forces and/or international forces. In addition, the bill would not prohibit or restrict non-defense funding to carry out reconstruction in Iraq.

When it comes to the floor, this bill will be stronger than previous legislation. Already signed on: Schakowsky (D-IL), Frank (D-MA), Serrano (D-NY), and Velazquez (D-NY).

Please contact your representative to encourage him/her to become an original co-sponsor for the McGovern Resolution. (Since Rep. McGovern hasn't introduced the bill yet, it doesn't have a number).

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Call, write, send letter, rinse and repeat until the slimeballs are out of the White House.

HA!

capt

'05 Proving To Be Worst Newspaper Year Since Recession

by Ross Fadner
Oct 31, 2005

IT'S OFFICIAL: 2005 WILL BE the newspaper industry's worst year since the last ad industry recession. And things aren't looking much better for next year either, according to a top Wall Street firm's report on newspaper publishing. "Sadly, 2005 is shaping up as the industry's worst year from a revenue growth perspective since the recession impacted 2001-2002 period," says the report from Goldman Sachs, adding a warning that meaningful growth in 2006 is "very unlikely."

In particular, national advertising has under-performed, remaining essentially flat this year, as has the retail category, the report said--while classified, both print and online, has shown positive gains so far this year, up 4-5 percent.

The weak ad environment for newspapers has caused Goldman to scale back its 2006 growth forecast to 3.5 percent from 4.0 percent. The note said national ad growth would once again be weakest at 1.0 percent, followed by retail, 2.5 percent, and classifieds at 3.6 percent. The bright spot continues to be online newspaper revenues, which are projected to grow an impressive 25 percent in 2006. Despite this, online will still represent 5.0 percent of total newspaper revenues.

The only really good news for publishers is that the investment firm believes the cost of newsprint, which has risen recently, is likely to fall slightly in 2006, as demand falls more quickly than production capacity. The report said newsprint prices would peak and then slowly recede in the second half of the year.

Even so, this good news is scant relief for an industry besieged by flat ad revenues, falling stocks, and fleeing subscribers. Last week, Rishad Tobaccowala, chief innovation officer for Publicis Groupe, told a newspaper--the Chicago Tribune--"newspapers are at a tipping point," in which online media will start to take more readership and more ad dollars. He added that newspapers are in the worst situation of all news media for growth as "the least visually engaging and least youth oriented" medium.

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While newspapers have held on to regular delivery customers more out of habit than by doing a good job of reporting, it is no surprise with hacks like Miller, Blair, Novak, etc. the print news is dying on the vine.

Bad tree = bad fruit.

capt

To:
Allison

Even though the people here will not thank you for protecting them, I will thank you for them.

Remember, the people here have the right to say what they want. You and your fellow soldiers are giving them that right with your lives. Do not go down to their level. You are their protector whether or not you or they like or will even admit it.

The one fellow is right in the fact that you should not be writing on their site. This is not a place where Americans should be. Leave it to them, for what they say is unimportant and meaningless. No one except the terrorists listen to their kind of nonsense.

Just remember Allison, without you, these people would not even have life.

Milwaukee Paper Apologizes for Accepting 'Cooked' WMD Evidence

By E&P Staff

Published: October 31, 2005 10:55 AM ET

NEW YORK The most important newspaper in its region finally apologized to readers for accepting "cooked" evidence about WMD in Iraq that helped lead to war in 2003. No, it was not The New York Times.

In a column on Sunday, O. Ricardo Pimentel, editorial page editor at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, wrote that, "Yes, regrettably on the matter of WMD, count us as among the many who were duped. We should have been more skeptical. For that lack of skepticism and the failure to include the proper caveats to the WMD claim, we apologize, though I would note that, ultimately, we didn't believe that the president's central WMD argument warranted war. Not then and especially not now."

The column appeared on the same day Tim Rutten, media writer for the Los Angeles Times, urged major newspapers to own up to their role in easily accepting the WMD argument from the Bush administration. He noted that his own newspaper was among this large group.

"The American people need to know how that progression occurred because that knowledge is key to the responsible exercise of citizenship in the upcoming midterm elections and beyond," Rutten wrote. "The New York Times clearly wasn't the only journalistic institution that failed, and the duty to set the public record straight about how this mistake was made is a shared one. There will be shame enough for all if the media as a whole fail to accept this obligation."

In his opening, Pimentel, in Milwaukee, observed that while the focus on WMD mis-coverage has rested on The New York Times, he wondered if "the rest of us below that level of influence and reach -- this newspaper's Editorial Board being my concern -- also have a responsibility to explain ourselves?"

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Plenty of blame to go around. I am guilty of believing Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell. They lied and nothing they said was even close to being true and every "news" agency, every "press room" and every mass media outlet is guilty of the same thing. We all made the mistake of believing a liar and going to war on a whim.

Explain ourselves? We have to make excuses for believing the Coward in Crawford? But he has nothing that he needs to admit or apologize for?

Sure, I am sure he is that stupid.

capt

I am in agreement with Paul John II. Life begins at conception and ends with natural death. I believe that once a baby is born that baby like adults should have universal health care and prescription drug coverage. With salaries becoming more and more stagnant or decreasing universal health care is a must.

Bush and his goons believe in pissing money away.

I believe that Jesus is for universal health care, a safe environment, education, against corporate fraud, against wars, torture, and killings, pro-love and mercy, and the inclusion of all His children to the gifts He has given us.

It is highly unlikely that Allison has ever seen a nano second of combat in her life, unless viewed on TV of course.

Anybody interested in hearing from a real veteran try :

operationtruth.com

A non-partisan collection of military service persons, families and groups. They all are bona fide. Not your standard faker/poser and not one troll among them (no surprise).

People who serve are respectful and respectable.

capt

Shalom

Here is more reality!

Here is what America and the world need in order to attain peace and justice on our planet for all of God's children. Here is also what I believe God wants for His children and His vision for the world.

Shalom translated means peace but it is much more than peace. Shalom is a vision of social wholeness; a state of well being for all, where everyone has access to the goods of creation intended to meet the needs of all. Shalom is the substance of the biblical vision of one community embracing all creation where all enjoy the resources that make communal harmony joyous and effective.

Shalom is nothing less than God's intended vision of the world, a dream of God that resists our tendencies for division, hostility, fear, lust, and misery. If there is to be well-being, it will not be just for the isolated and insulated individuals, it is security and prosperity granted to the whole community - the poor, the widow, the orphan, the immigrant, the tax collector and the sinner, the despised and the rejected, young and old, the have and the have nots, the powerful and the dependent. We are in it together. Together we stand before God's blessings and together we receive the gift of life. Shalom comes only to the inclusive embracing community that excludes no one.

Posters who believe in Bush and his evil policies should join and serve in America's armed forces.

Captain Simms
You are correct.

I came to this site because I was told about it, and decided to check it out. I just could not believe there were people this misguided in America. When people like this turn their back on us and our President, they do not even deserve a response. I will leave them to their treason and post here no more.

Thanks for reminding me we protect the rights of all those in America, even like the people here who are trying to destroy it.

Fifteen Words

You may or may not remember the fifteen words that I want to hear from my God - WELCOME HOME MY FAITHFUL FRIEND AND DISCIPLE. COME, I HAVE PREPARED A PLACE FOR YOU.

Here are the fifteen words that glorify Americans from the bushgod - FEAR, FEAR, FEAR, GREED, GREED, GREED, HATE, HATE, HATE, KILL, KILL, KILL, TORTURE, TORTURE, TORTURE!

Captain S: "Just remember Allison, without you, these people would not even have life." And without the taxpayer tit to suck on, you and Allison would likely be hawking real estate or slinging burgers rather than calling each other heroes. Don't you dare tell me you're killing people for my sake. There weren't any Iraqis on those planes on 9/11, and Iraqis never threatened the U.S., yet the "insurgents" that you're killing are Iraqis. And as far as the "traitor" charge goes, didn't you swear to uphold the Constitution when put on that uniform? The Constitution says that only Congress can declare war. Congress never declared war on Iraq. Doesn't that make YOU a traitor?

Reid Shakes Things Up & Trent Lott Takes "Revenge Swipe" at Karl Rove

November 01, 2005

The tension is building.

The more Frist fulminates and fumes at Harry Reid, the greater the Democratic leader becomes in the eyes of Americans, on both sides of the aisle.

Finally, many are saying, the Democrats are doing something of consequence.

And amidst this chaos, Republican cohesiveness is eroding. Loyalty to the White House has been replaced by prodding and nudging of the Bush team by their Republican brethren in Congress.

Case in point. . .Trent Lott just appeared on Chris Matthews' Hardball and just questioned whether Karl Rove should remain employed as Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy.

I just saw it, but someone already has a video clip up of Lott shoving Rove out to the wolves.

Harry Reid has really stirred things up -- to paraphrase Dick Cheney -- "Big Time".

Steve Clemons

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I have yet to be very excited about old Harry but the clip of Lott turning on Rove is priceless! (down right now but likely up later or on "Crook and Liars" soon enough)

capt

Dear Mr. Bush by Mattie Stepanek, June, 2002

You said we are caught
Between terrorism and hopelessness.
You said we cannot
Find peace in this situation.
I caught your words, but
I cannot agree with the conclusion.
Clearly,
We cannot perpetuate terrorism.
But perhaps,
If we choose to accept
Hopelessness with a catch,
We will find peace in all situations.
Hope, or lack of hope,
Is an attitude.
And an attitude is a choice.
In this great country,
We do have a choice.
And so, in conclusion,
We cannot get caught
With a bad attitude,
Or we are not choosing peace.

Allison: "I came to this site because I was told about it, and decided to check it out. I just could not believe there were people this misguided in America." Then you're as out-of-touch as your commander-in-chief. Read. Look at the polls. Those of you who still support this murderous war are in a rapidly shrinking minority.

Hey Gerald,

WAKE UP

You seem to believe in God. Which is more important --- A woman's right to murder her baby, or the baby's right to live? What do you think God would say?

What? Are you afraid to answer in front of your left wing nut friends?

Informed Comment

So how might the investigation of Feith's office (which is apparently dead in the water given that the Republicans on the committee would probably decline to issue subpoenas) delay the phase two conclusions that Roberts should be producing? Feith and the Office of Special Plans were central to these conclusions. If he and his employees are stonewalling, and if Roberts won't subpoena them or threaten them with contempt of Congress, then it is hard to see how any progress can be made.

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I cannot possibly be the only one that gets the "stonewalling" joke?

Come on anybody?

capt

Allison: "I came to this site because I was told about it, and decided to check it out. "

And if you had an honest bone in your body, you'd admit that you came here because you knew exactly what you'd find: people who vehemently disagree with you and oppose this war.

You're a liar to your core. Dishonesty is in your DNA. You can't write a truthful sentence. In that, you're perfectly representative of your fellow belligerents.

Scapegoating on a Scooter

Truth is the most valuable thing we have. Let us economize it.
~ Mark Twain

by Butler Shaffer

Defenders of statism will undertake any action and against as many people as necessary to safeguard the basic structure of the state. Even the figureheads atop the totem pole may be sacrificed if need be. The Nixons, Clintons, and Bushes are all fungible, each capable of replacing one another. This is a principal reason that elections always come down to a choice between standardized, indistinguishable candidates; and why, no matter who you vote for, the political establishment always gets elected. This is also why you have heard so little objection from the Democrats to the Bush administration’≥ depraved policies and moral transgressions: they don’¥ want to do or say anything that would denigrate the system they hope to control one day.

The Washington poker game has begun, and the state system has anted with "Scooter" Libby, in hopes that public criticism of this administration will be satisfied with a low-stakes game. But disapproval of governmental practices may insist upon deeper inquiries: perhaps into authorship of the Niger yellowcake forgeries; or into the events preceding 9/11; or into the identity or purposes that were insistent upon war with Iraq. Such questions may raise the stakes far beyond the charges now faced by Mr. Libby, arising from the relatively innocuous offense of Valerie Plame’≥ outing.

The media has made numerous allusions to Nixon’≥ Watergate fiasco, reminding the public of the alleged offense known as a "cover-up." But what gets politicians and government officials into trouble is not the covering up of their misdeeds, but their failure to do so. It is the failure to hide or disguise official wrongdoing that brings the state into disrepute by allowing evidence of political dishonesty to become public knowledge, thus weakening popular sentiments about the allegedly noble, public-serving purposes of political systems. The sanctity of the state apparatus itself must be protected. The threat of "cover-up" is, for government functionaries, akin to the warnings airline passengers encounter about making jokes regarding bombs.

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A good read and it applies too accurate a perspective in ways.

capt

#59,

WOW, you rock (as awlays) Drewp!

Just tell it like it is. They HATE the truth!

Kudos

capt

Capt: "Case in point. . .Trent Lott just appeared on Chris Matthews' Hardball and just questioned whether Karl Rove should remain employed as Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy."

Heehee. This is going to be fun to watch.

Brings to mind something I learned in my undergrad psych. class: If you put rats under enough stress, they start eating one another.

Rats I'd feel sorry for, but not this species of vermin.

Allison or Tim or whoever you are,
You are very cruel. You are, as one of the people posted, a lying sack of shit. You have not seen combat. You are here to berate the people who post.
George Bush and his administration have lied us into war. His actions have killed over 2000 servicemen. His actions have killed 100000 Iraqis. By the way, one of the enemy escaped in Afghanistan. Maybe you can go hunt him down for George.
George's inaction has made us less safe. We are no less safe today from terrorists attacks than on 9/11/2001. Because of his ineptness and his desire to give his cronies jobs he has made us less safe during natural disasters too.
Our economy is a shambles. The rich are happy.
The middle class has been legislated into a corner where they have no protections. The poor are losing whatever safeguards they had.
Our education is becoming Christianized. Our checks and balances are being eliminated. Our members of congress indicted.
And you have the nerve to come to this site and post crap. "Keep up the excellent work Mr. President. We all appreciate what you are doing for us." I would appreciate it if he would get on his fucking tricycle and ride back to Crawford. And I would appreciate it if you would not tell our Mr. President that I appreciate anything he does. I don't.

Yep, GOPhers are clearly on that level.

HA!

US and Venezuela in aircraft dogfight

By Patrick Markey in Caracas
November 3, 2005

The Venezuelan President, Hugo Chavez, said his government may give its US-made F-16 fighter jets to Cuba or China and replace them with Chinese or Russian aircraft after he accused Washington of blocking purchases of US military parts.

Any exchange of military hardware to those countries would break an agreement with the US Government on the transfer of technology without Washington's permission and further strain fraying ties between Venezuela and the US.

A fierce critic of the Bush Administration, Mr Chavez has rattled Washington by strengthening ties with anti-US states like Cuba and promoting his self-described socialist revolution as a counterweight to US regional influence.

"If they don't comply with the contract … we can do whatever we want with these aircraft, whatever the hell we want. Maybe we'll give 10 planes to Cuba or to China so they can study the technology," Mr Chavez said. "We could give them away and buy aircraft from China or from Russia … We don't need any US imperialism."

A US military official said there had been no communications with Venezuela about any sale of F-16s to other countries, but noted that US laws on foreign arms sales were "quite strict" regarding third-party transfers.

The US does not trade with Cuba and keeps a tight rein on technology transfers to China.

Israeli media reported last month that Washington had blocked a sale of technology to Venezuela to upgrade its F-16 fighters, which are made by Lockheed Martin. US officials have not confirmed the reports.

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This is where the business of war goods comes apart.

What profit is there in selling weapons and weapons systems to other countries? Sure they are careful to keep the best stuff for us and it would be cool if we have hidden a kill switch in the planes and ordinance we market (I know too James Bond) but I mean in general.

capt

Proof politics has long gone to pot

By Julia Baird
November 3, 2005

WHAT a curious state of affairs in Britain, when models are sorely judged for using drugs, while politicians are excused for the same behaviour. As the New Statesman asked, "Politicians on drugs, what's new?"

Does this finally explain the decision to go to war in Iraq? What's going on?

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A bit of perspective on the issue from down under.

capt

Here is someone with leadership skills who can unite the insurgency in Iraq. This is going to add to the problems.
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Slow Word of al-Qaida Escape Draws Ire

"He's Iraqi after all. If he's not hiding out (in Afghanistan or Pakistan), he's probably headed to Iraq to join the fight there," said Conboy, who recently published a book on Jemaah Islamiyah, a Southeast Asian terror group that seeks to create a regionwide Islamic state.

More people showing appreciation for our Mr. President.
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Students walk out to protest war, recruiting

James Walsh, Star Tribune
November 3, 2005

More than 1,000 students, many of them from 40 Twin Cities area high schools, protested today against the war in Iraq and military recruiters on campus.

The crowd rallied at Coffman Memorial Union on the University of Minnesota campus before marching through campus, stopping traffic along Washington Avenue and ending up in front of the Army and Navy recruiting offices on Washington Avenue and Oak Street.

University Police Greg Hestness estimated the crowd at about 1,000 people. Protest organizer Ty Moore put the crowd closer to 1,500. Hundreds of people stood to the side as the students marched past, taking photographs or making cell phone calls to friends. Some applauded. A group of 25 to 30 counter-protesters across the street blared "Stars and Stripes Forever" from a pickup truck.

After winding through campus, marchers strode down the center of Washington Avenue. While the group didn't have permission to block off streets, Hestness said, university police went ahead of the marchers to divert traffic for several blocks. Hestness said the event was peaceful.

The walkout is part of a nationwide protest organized by Youth Against War and Racism. The Minnesota event includes the rally and march, followed by a teach-in.

At Bloomington Kennedy, about 20 students walked out to join the protest. Most said they had excused absences; a couple said they didn't have excuses but were going anyway. Minneapolis South reported about 100 students participated.

Kennedy Principal Ron Simmons said that today was the second day of end-of-quarter tests at Kennedy. Any student who walked out without permission would not be able to make up work they miss today and their grades would be affected, he said.

Andrew O'Brien, 17, a Kennedy senior and one of the organizers of the school's walkout, was disappointed that more students weren't participating. He said the timing of the protest during the testing period was a problem. In addition, he said it's been difficult to get Kennedy students interested in the issue. Students are apathetic about politics in general and about the war specifically, he said.

Last week, Moore and other supporters of the protest accused some schools of threatening students who walked out with failing grades. Most schools responded that they would follow their normal policies for absences: If students are excused by a parent, they will be allowed to make up work they miss.

Moore said his group would mount a "pressure campaign" against schools if students are disciplined or are not allowed to make up work as a result of the walkout.

First, I am not posting for Allison and she doesn't post for me. Those posts up thread today aren't mine.

Second, Allison has more balls than any of you wimps here! She says it like it needs to be said!

Well, we have George Bush scaring the hell out of the public with his bird flu preparations and we have experts going crazy trying to calm people down.

Experts dismiss scare over bird flu

...And if Americans are scared of avian flu now, Siegel continues, "imagine what will happen if a single scrawny, flu-ridden migratory bird somehow manages to reach our shores."

That, he maintains, is how the fear epidemic - as opposed to a flu pandemic - spreads.

Back to the unlikely scenario of those migratory birds carrying avian flu to a poultry house somewhere in Kansas.

"Only once in every blue moon do you get infection in a poultry house, and the government has a system of monitoring and eradication that means it is quickly wiped out," Butcher said. "So it can happen, but it is rare and it is not allowed to spread."

Because the United States exports about one-third of the 9 billion poultry produced, if potentially dangerous disease turns up, there is a policy of zero tolerance.

"Other countries would not accept poultry from anywhere in the United States if there was any question of infection," Butcher said.

He said that although there is a potential that the virus could mutate, as it exists, it could not become an important disease in humans.

"For it to become dangerous to humans, it has to go through a pretty significant genetic change. If you put this in perspective, it's not going to happen. For a person to be infected now, it appears that the exposure level has to be astronomical," Butcher said.

"While we are putting all our attention on this avian influenza, another virus is going to come up and bite us in the bottom," he said.

Ok Tim. Whatever.

Is Rove a Security Risk?
Because he disclosed Plame’≥ CIA identity to reporters, the Bush aide could lose his clearance.
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Do you think?
If I was president Rove would lose his job.

I thoughtHalloween tricks on blogs were over. Oh yeah today is Dias de Muertes. It seems the trolls are taking a three day event.

Jeanne,

You said, "Well, we have George Bush scaring the hell out of the public with his bird flu preparations ..."

Yours is the perfect example of the mindless parroting of the spewing vitriol of the left. What nonsense. the President isn't doing this at all and certainly not personally.

Besides, what the hell is wrong with being prepared? Your comment simply makes no logical sense at all.

Capt: "Kudos"

Thanks, Capt. I've really got to stop skipping lunch. I can't stomach that garbage at all on an empty stomach.

Tim,
What I see is a lot of profit to be made by the drug companies. I would love to believe that the administration is on the up and up on this but their track record is terrible. Do I believe scientists or Bush?

Now, ABC News reports tonight that one of the escapees was a top al-qaeda operative. How could this happen with them being guarded by 12,000 U.S. troops?

Is this an inside job?????

UPDATED: 07:48, July 12, 2005, People's Daily Online, China

Suspected al-Qaida operatives escape US Afghan prison
      
Four suspected al-Qaida operatives have escaped the most fortified US detention center at US military Headquarters in Afghanistan, a US army statement said Monday.

"Four detainees were reported missing at approximately 5 a.m. and search operations began shortly thereafter," the statement issued in the afternoon said.

It did not give more details. However, Afghan sources say that all the escaped inmates were Arabs affiliated with al-Qaida network.

"Four detainees in the Bagram Airfield detainment facility are unaccounted for, prompting an extensive search," it said.

This is the first time that detainees were able to escape US detention center and put on display security lapse in US holding facilities in Afghanistan.

Local government officials and ground units backed by US military helicopters, the statement added, were searching the surrounding areas to recapture the escaped detainees.

"An investigation into the incident is going on," concluded the statement. More than 400 suspected Taliban and al-Qaida operatives have been held in 23 US military detention centers in Afghanistan.

Source: Xinhua

Mexico Defies Washington on the International Criminal Court

by Katherine Stapp

NEW YORK - If Washington follows through on threats to slash aid to Mexico as punishment for its accession to the International Criminal Court (ICC), it risks further alienating key U.S. allies and drawing attention to its own increasingly shaky human rights record, say activists.

"There will be a price to be paid by the U.S. government in terms of its credibility," Richard Dicker, director of Human Rights Watch's International Justice Program, told IPS.

Mexico signed the Rome Statute of the ICC in September 2000, but did not ratify the treaty and formally deposit it with the United Nations until last week, on Oct. 28, making it the 100th nation to join the ICC.

Washington had warned Mexico that if it ratified the ICC and refused to sign an accord exempting U.S. nationals from the court's jurisdiction, it would cut 11.5 million dollars in funding from aid programs for fighting drug trafficking, according to human rights groups. The amount is equal to almost 40 percent of the economic aid Mexico receives from the United States.

However, Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said last week that Mexico would not sign such an accord, and was willing to lose the aid rather than give the United States special status.

Almost every country in the European Union, 27 African countries, and all but four Latin American countries (Chile, El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua) have now joined the new court based in The Hague, which is empowered to prosecute individuals for genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity committed after Jul. 1, 2002.

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Spreading freedom (to do as we say) and democracy (if you elect who we tell you to elect). Just like the new doctrine here in America: freedom (to support Bush) and Democracy (because Diebold says so).

Bush has never been able to really get out neighbors north or south to do what he wants. That is because threats and demands do not pass for leadership or diplomacy.

capt

Ayahuasca Visions

As part of his research for Supernatural, Graham Hancock traveled to the Peruvian Amazon to drink the powerful plant hallucinogen Ayahuasca with indigenous shamans. Such visionary experiences, Hancock argues, were fundamental to the unprecedented and astonishing evolutionary leap forward achieved by our species during the past 40,000 years and provided the inspiration for the earliest art and religious ideas of mankind. It is difficult for those who have not experienced Ayahuasca, or other related shamanic hallucinogens, to visualise the strange parallel realities into which these substances bring us. Fortunately, however, a number of shamans in the Amazon are also gifted artists and have made paintings of their own visions. Through these paintings it is possible for all of us to get some glimpse of the Ayahuasca Otherworld –†which, mysteriously, is not a different place for each different individual who drinks Ayahuasca. On the contrary, whether experienced by an Amazonian shaman, or an American lawyer, or a European businessman, or a Japanese fashion designer, the Ayahuasca realm is always recognizably the same place, inhabited by the same intelligent beings with the same mission to teach us important truths about ourselves and the nature of the universe. The Peruvian shaman Pablo Amaringo is the most famous and gifted of Ayahuasca artists working today and has kindly granted us permission to reproduce here a gallery of his paintings. Click on any of the images for a larger view. For further information on Pablo and his work see www.pabloamaringo.com.

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The artwork is too cool not to share.

capt

The winds of mass political re-alignment only blow every generation or so. The winds blew during the Great Depression (culminating in the Presidency of FDR), and during the Cold War (culminating in the Presidence of RWR).

These winds are starting to whip up again, but I suspect that the Democrats are too brain-dead to realize it. They are behind the times, and are trying to act like Republicans, at the very time that their movement is grinding to a halt. If the Dems would cast off a few sacred cows, they could become the majority party for a generation.

For example, if the Democrats would adopt a neutral stance towards abortion-on-demand, and distance themselves from gay marriage and other such issues...and really mean it...they would gain enough moderate Catholic, Hispanic, and Black fundamentalist voters to put many more "wins" in their columns. As long as the Democratic party is hostile to groups as this, they will remain out of power.

Bob in North Dakota

Drewp - comment # 59

You are a funny little turd.
Now go back to your dunce corner, put on your pointed hat, sit down and eat more of your boogers, you booger eating moron.

Holy shit you are STUPID

PS
Capt, you have to join Drewp. I am sure you are already wearing your pointy hat. Now just get in your corner and munch away.

#80
Hi Allison.

If political survival means taking a neutral stance on issues for the sake of same, THAT would be acting like republicans.

A woman’s choice is her right and a very important issue. As is civil rights for all genders, lifestyles, race, creed, color and class.

You are wrong Bob. I do not get to say that very often but :

If the party does not stand for what is right they will not stand for anything, just like the republicans. Give up the good fight and all that will be left in politics is greed, lies, fabrications and "say anything" politicians and demagogues. That is what has happened to the GOP.

As soon as they sold out to the "Christian Coalition" and the "Moral Majority" and started their insane anti-abortion doctrine I left the GOP and never looked back. 65-70% of regular Sunday Catholics want the choice to belong to the woman.

The idea (push pressroom) that all conservatives are anti-abortion is BS. The neo-creeps keep pushing the idea of "partial-birth" procedures which represent a very small percentage of abortions. The fact is no matter what laws are passed the choice always belongs to a woman. Men need to start respecting something they will never own no matter how concerned they my try to make themselves.

No, So selling out for and office. No selling out to have power. That is what has put the country where we are. We must stand for what is right or just sit down and shut-up. (metaphorically)

A swing and a miss.

capt

William F Buckley on the Plame outing.
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Who Did What?

We have noticed that Valerie Plame Wilson has lived in Washington since 1997. Where she was before that is not disclosed by research facilities at my disposal. But even if she was safe in Washington when the identity of her employer was given out, it does not mean that her outing was without consequence. We do not know what dealings she might have been engaging in which are now interrupted or even made impossible. We do not know whether the countries in which she worked before 1997 could accost her, if she were to visit any of them, confronting her with signed papers that gave untruthful reasons for her previous stay —†that she was there only as tourist, or working for a fictitious U.S. company. In my case, it was 15 years after reentry into the secular world before my secret career in Mexico was blown, harming no one except perhaps some who might have been put off by my deception.

The great question here is Robert Novak. It was he who published, in his column, that Mrs. Joseph Wilson was a secret agent of the CIA. I am too close a friend to pursue the matter with Novak, and his loyalty is a postulate. What was going on? If there are mysteries in town, that surely is one of them, the role of Novak.

The importance of the law against revealing the true professional identity of an agent is advertised by the draconian punishment, under the federal code, for violating it. In the swirl of the Libby affair, one loses sight of the real offense, and it becomes almost inapprehensible what it is that Cheney/Libby/Rove got themselves into. But the sacredness of the law against betraying a clandestine soldier of the republic cannot be slighted.

OTHER Tim: ". . . you booger eating moron" Makes me shudder to think that we put uniforms on these people and turn them loose with guns and other things that go boom.

Poll: Military Gives Bush Thumbs Down On Iraq

POSTED: 3:53 pm EDT October 28, 2005

ELON, N.C. -- More than half of North Carolina military members surveyed in the latest Elon University poll disapprove of President Bush's handling of the war in Iraq and his overall job performance.

Nearly 53 percent of military members said they strongly disapproved or disapproved of Bush's handling of his job. And just more than 56 percent of that same group strongly disapproved or disapproved of how he has dealt with the Iraq war.

Overall, 53 percent of those surveyed did not approve of Bush's job performance, while 57 percent did not approve of his handling of the Iraq war.

"We see that those most involved in the Iraq situation, the military, are not so different from the general public after all and share the same concerns about Iraq," said Hunter Bacot, the poll's director. "Conventional wisdom might suggest that the military would be more supportive of Bush in Iraq, but that simply isn't the case if you look at the numbers."

North Carolina has one of the nation's largest military presences, with major Army, Marine and Air Force installations based in eastern North Carolina. North Carolina-based active-duty and reserve units have seen extensive action since the United States attacked Afghanistan following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Of the 539 adults surveyed for the Elon poll, 80 -- or 14.8 percent of the sample -- were active-duty, reserve, retired or veteran members of the military. The telephone poll was conducted between Monday and Thursday and has a margin of error for the entire sample of plus or minus 4.3 percentage points.

The margin of error, which reflects the confidence that the results speak for an entire group, is higher for smaller groups, such as the 80 military members.

Just over half of those people surveyed said the United States should no longer be in Iraq, while nearly 43 percent agreed that the country should remain there. The rest said they did not know or refused to answer.

Roughly half of those polled -- 52 percent -- said they do not know if the war in Iraq was worth fighting. The poll showed about 15 percent believe the war was worthwhile and 29.1 percent do not think so.

Military members were somewhat more supportive of the United States' presence in Iraq than the general population, with exactly half saying the nation should be there and 41.3 percent saying it should not.

More than half of military members -- 51 percent -- said they did not know if the war was worth fighting, while 19 percent said the war was worth it and 29 percent said it was not

The low approval numbers for Bush seen in the poll continue a pattern of declining support for the second-term president seen in previous Elon polls and nationally.

The percentage of those surveyed who say they strongly approve or approve of Bush's job performance was down to 41 percent in the current poll from a recent peak of 55 percent in February 2004.

Approval of Bush's handling of the Iraq war has dropped from 52 percent in September 2003 to nearly 39 percent now.

Approval of the president's handling of the economy ticked up slightly in the current poll, to 37 percent, from the 36 percent approval registered in April. The peak was 42 percent in September 2004.

Elon's Institute for Politics and Public Affairs has been conducting its poll since 2000.

Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird

London's Sunday Telegraph reported in July that, because of the shortage of military supplies caused by troops deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq, British Army soldiers on training exercises were ordered simply to shout "bang bang" rather than fire practice rounds. [Courier-Mail (Brisbane), 9-9-05] [Sunday Telegraph (London), 7-17-05]

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More sad than funny.

capt

Poll: Few doubt wrongdoing in CIA leak

Neighbor, former official questioned with grand jury set to expire

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Only one in 10 Americans said they believe Bush administration officials did nothing illegal or unethical in connection with the leaking of a CIA operative's identity, according to a national poll released Tuesday.

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Only one in ten? I think the numbers are very telling indeed. Something to keep in mind when the cry-baby neocons start fussing.

The ten percent are the most delusional and are completely over-represented here and in the media.

capt

Cheney's approval rating at 19%

Who are those crazy bastards?

Oh. One decimal point is Tim.

#86
Bang bang.... Who's staring in this weird movie we're in? Alan Arkin? Peter Sellers? Buster Keaton?

David, if Fitzgerald is doing a thorough job of who and how Valerie Plame's identity was leaked.. Why would we want that investigation duplicated?

I want every stitch of the false pre-war intelligence needs to be thoroughly investigated and all of the individuals involved. What ever they call it, how ever it is done. OUr representatives need to do it.

David do you think journalist did enough reporting a year and a half ago on the road blocking of Phase II of the SSCI ? I have really been thiking the main stream media failed the american public again, by not attempting to shed light on this important topic over a year and a half ago.
I know you try hard to inform. Although when I googled this topic a year ago very little came up. Do you know which journalist or media sources that covered Phase II last year?

Yes, Bush lied

Posted: October 6, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2003 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON –†A year ago, on Oct. 1, one of the most important documents in U.S. history was published and couriered over to the White House.

The 90-page, top-secret report, drafted by the National Intelligence Council at Langley, included an executive summary for President Bush known as the "key judgments." It summed up the findings of the U.S. intelligence community regarding the threat posed by Iraq, findings the president says formed the foundation for his decision to preemptively invade Iraq without provocation. The report "was good, sound intelligence," Bush has remarked.

Most of it deals with alleged weapons of mass destruction.

But page 4 of the report, called the National Intelligence Estimate, deals with terrorism, and draws conclusions that would come as a shock to most Americans, judging from recent polls on Iraq. The CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency and the other U.S. spy agencies unanimously agreed that Baghdad:

had not sponsored past terrorist attacks against America,

was not operating in concert with al-Qaida,

and was not a terrorist threat to America.

"We have no specific intelligence information that Saddam's regime has directed attacks against U.S. territory," the report stated.

However, it added, "Saddam, if sufficiently desperate, might decide that only an organization such as al-Qaida could perpetrate the type of terrorist attack that he would hope to conduct."

Sufficiently desperate? If he "feared an attack that threatened the survival of the regime," the report explained.

"In such circumstances," it added, "he might decide that the extreme step of assisting the Islamist terrorists in conducting a CBW [chemical and biological weapons] attack against the United States would be his last chance to exact vengeance by taking a large number of victims with him."

In other words, only if Saddam were provoked by U.S. attack would he even consider taking the "extreme step" of reaching out to al-Qaida, an organization with which he had no natural or preexisting relationship. He wasn't about to strike the U.S. or share his alleged weapons with al-Qaida –†unless the U.S. struck him first and threatened the collapse of his regime.

"Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists," Bush said Oct. 7 in his nationally televised Cincinnati speech. "Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving fingerprints." The terrorists he was referring to were "al-Qaida members."

By telling Americans that Saddam could "on any given day" slip unconventional weapons to al-Qaida if America didn't disarm him, the president misrepresented the conclusions of his own secret intelligence report, which warned that Saddam wouldn't even try to reach out to al-Qaida unless he were attacked and had nothing to lose –†and might even find that hard to do since he had no history of conducting joint terrorist operations with al-Qaida, and certainly none against the U.S.

If that's not lying, I don't know what is.

Forget that Bush lied about the reasons for putting our sons and daughters in harm's way in Iraq; and forget that he sent 140,000 troops there with bull's-eyes on their backs, then dared their attackers to bring it on.

It was the height of irresponsibility to have done so in the middle of a war on al-Qaida, the real and proven threat to America. Bush diverted those troops and other resources –†including intelligence assets, Arabic translators and hundreds of billions of tax dollars –†from the hunt for Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders along the Afghan-Pakistani border. And now they've regrouped and are as threatening as ever.

That's inexcusable, and Bush supporters with any intellectual honesty and concern for their own families' safety should be mad as hell about it –†and that's coming from someone who voted for Bush.

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A WND piece. Well documents the lies. A good reference.

capt

Anatomy of a lie

Posted: July 15, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2003 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice insists neither she nor the president knew the CIA raised serious doubts about a nuke-weapons charge against Iraq in his last State of the Union speech.

"If there was a concern about the underlying intelligence there, the president was unaware of that concern, as was I," she told reporters Friday aboard Air Force One.

The language the White House originally wanted to use in its allegation was even more baseless and reckless –†that Iraq recently sought up to 500 tons of uranium from Niger.

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Another WND piece. Look at the dates and consider the source. Then consider this: Niger only produces about 500 tons or uranium a year. They sell to several countries and could never sell 500 tons to anybody even spread over a few years. That is how obvious a lie Bush wanted to make.

capt

I sent the following letter to Senator Reid today. I suggested a similar idea to David Corn a couple of days ago. I realize the chances of Bush/Cheney actually being tried for "aiding and abetting" are slim to zip, but I believe talking up this idea warrants consideration because it will keep the Iraq War/Deaths/Lies/Plame/False Claims/Bush/Cheney/Rove/Libby/et al at the forefront of people's thinking.

Dear Senator Reid:

Thank you for your strong stand yesterday. We need more of this!

I am looking for novel approaches to nail those SOBs in the WH -- ways that some legal minds may not have thought of yet. I think Bush and Cheney may be guilty of aiding and abetting and being accomplices to a crime.

Bush has repeatedly said that he will not comment on an "ongoing investigation." He has given the false impression that he is restricted from doing so by law.

Fitzgerald pointed out that there is no law that prevents a witness before the grand jury to discuss his/her testimony. Therefore, Bush (and Cheney, too) should be hounded on the fact that they could have long ago determined WHO exposed Valerie Plame and OUSTED him/her/them from the WH staff. They both chose not to do that. They are aiding and abetting -- note below the reference to "knowledge of the crime before or after the fact."

Bush needs to be asked -- for as long as it takes -- why he has done nothing to fulfill his "promise" to take action on this outrageous national security offense. Bush is playing fast and loose with our national security in a "time of war."

I looked up the legal definition of "aiding and abetting/accessory" at findlaw.com:

"Aiding and Abetting/Accessory

A criminal charge of aiding and abetting or accessory can usually be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime, though legal distinctions vary by state. A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support. Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender's participation in the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy."

Thanks for all that you do.

My name
City/State

More on al Qaeda escapee -- what the f**k is going on?

By Charles Aldinger Wed Nov 2, 4:31 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Omar al-Faruq, one of al Qaeda's most senior global operatives, escaped from an American military prison in
Afghanistan in July, U.S. defense officials said on Wednesday.

The Kuwaiti man, who was captured in Indonesia in 2002 and turned over to the United States, was among four prisoners who fled heavily fortified Bagram Air Base prison on July 10, the officials said. He remains at large.

The officials, who asked not to be identified, did not explain why the United States did not reveal Faruq was among the four men until pressed by lawyers this week at a military trial in Texas of an Army sergeant charged with maltreating detainees in Afghanistan.

Joseph Wilson is an agent provocateur, and not a very good one, uttering easily disproved statements all the time. His wife is an agent provocateur, as well. She had no secret job when they started shopping their story around. It's a faux scandal. Nothing to it. Rove, Bush, Libby and Chaney really didn't care about the Wilsons, but tried to get the liberal media to admit that Saddam's Iraq was shopping around in Africa, in three different countries, before the war, for uranium. The MSM wouldn't print the facts, and still won't, but it doesn't matter, because it's all over the conservative blogs, and talk radio, and cable, etc., not to mention a British white paper, and a unanimous report of the Senate Intelligence committee. The liberal journalism is just not relevant or reliable any more.

#96
OMG.

STILL CRUSHING THE LIES ON CORNHOLELIES.COM

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/2/220331.shtml

In its May 22, 2004 edition, the New York Times confirmed a myriad of reports on Saddam's nuclear fuel stockpile - and revealed a chilling detail unknown to weapons inspectors before the war: that Saddam had begun to partially enrich his uranium stash.
The Times noted:

"The repository, at Tuwaitha, a centerpiece of Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons program, . . . . holds more than 500 tons of uranium . . . . Some 1.8 tons is classified as low-enriched uranium."

Larry: "It's a faux scandal. Nothing to it."

Gee, maybe someone oughta tell Fitz before he embarrasses himself further and wastes any more taxpayer money.

And to think he spent 2 years investigating this, when he could have just stayed home and read the conservative blogs and listened to talk radio.

He obviously had an anti-conservative agenda all along. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Drewp,
What amazes me is that they post this stuff and they really believe people are going to take it serious.

capt:
You still have not answered the question;HOW HONEST ARE YOU?
WAS IT NOT POSTED ALL OVER THIS WEBSITE FOR MONTHS ON THAT ROVE WAS GOING TO BE INDITED BY FITZIE? ROVE WAS NOT INDITED, SO WHO LIED? WE NEED AN INVESTIGATION ON THE LEAKS TO THE MEDIA ON THE INCITEMENT OF ROVE. FITZIE WAS SO PROUD THAT HE DID NOT HAVE A LEAK DURING THE COURSE OF THIS INVESTIGATION, BUT DAVID CORN CONTINUOUSLY SAID THAT ROVE WOULD BE INDITED AND HE WAS NOT! WHO WAS THE LEA KER? IS IT NOT AG INST THE LAW TO REVEAL GRAND JURY TESTIMONY? WE NEED AN INVESTIGATION ON THIS MATTER!

Trebeloc: "In its May 22, 2004 edition, the New York Times confirmed . . ."

Ah, yes the NYT. The paper that published the longest mea culpa on record over it's prewar reportage.

Hell, Judith Miller admitted she got it all wrong just a couple of weeks ago.

You'll have to do a lot better than that, desperado.

YOU DONT BELIEVE THE NY TIMES, BUT YOU WILL BELIEVE CORN LIES?

Jeanne "Drewp, What amazes me is that they post this stuff and they really believe people are going to take it serious."

I wonder if they really do. Like their prez, they seem to be getting more incoherent by the day.

Their ramblings may be the early symptoms of a meltdown, sort of like Hal the computer in A Space Odyssey, when it starts singing, "Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do, I'm half crazy . . . "

Prewar Views of Iraq Threat Are Under Review by C.I.A.
New York Times article referred to in #99

Now that the war is over and the review is underway, the climate within the intelligence community has changed sharply. The failure so far of American forces to find conclusive evidence either of Iraqi ties to Al Qaeda or unconventional weapons has added urgency to the study's outcome.

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You know, trebeloc don't you think if they had found WMD we all would have heard about it? What do you think? We can't google the article? We're to lazy to find the real answers?
"Now that the war is over". Unbelievable.

WHO ARE THE REAL LIARS? READ AND WEEP CORNHOLES!

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/107166168.html

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

You know, trebeloc don't you think if they had found WMD we all would have heard about it? What do you think? We can't google the article? We're to lazy to find the real answers?
"Now that the war is over". Unbelievable.

IF YOU DID HEAR ABOUT IT YOU WOULD IGNORE IT LIKE YOU IGNORE THE FACT THAT BUSH ADMIN WAS REPEATING THE SAME THINGS THAT THE CLINTON ADMIN AND DEMOCRATS WERE SAYING! SEE 107
YOU GUYS ARE STUCCCK ON STUUUPID!
PUTTING YOU HEAD IN THE SAND AND CALLING BUSH A LIAR DOES NOT KEEP YOU SAFE FROM DANGER ONLY GIVES THE ENEMY A BETTER TARGET TO KICK YOU IN THE ASS!

Ok trebeloc, if you want to believe the white house you go right ahead. The rest of us prefer reality as gastly as it is.
Say hi to your fellow mushrooms.

HI Jeanne! HI CORNHOLES! All done.

Speaking of Hal, you can listen to many of his quotes here.

The one that seems appropriate to Trebeloc's fevered ramblings is, "This conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye."

Jeanne

If I have a gun and kill thousands of people with that gun and hide that gun and you can not find where I hid that gun, then the gun never existed and I am not guilty of murder, because you were not able to find where I hid the gun.

Thats Great, I was not aware that the dead bodies would not be enough to convince you that I had the gun that I shot them with.

Cool, I'm innocent and they are still dead and you are still an idiot.

109
Ok trebeloc, if you want to believe the white house you go right ahead. The rest of us prefer reality as gastly as it is.

Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, only dream of being in the White House some day, I believed them in Oct. 9, 1998 and i belive them now, even if they dont believe what THEY SAID in October 1998!

The question is what happened between then and now when YOU ALL changed YOUR minds about Saddam and WMD's?

Go run from the truth,YOU CANT HANDEL THE TRUTH!

Rove's Future Role Is Debated

White House May Seek Fresh Start In Wake of Leak

By Jim VandeHei and Carol D. Leonnig
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, November 3, 2005; Page A01

Top White House aides are privately discussing the future of Karl Rove, with some expressing doubt that President Bush can move beyond the damaging CIA leak case as long as his closest political strategist remains in the administration.

If Rove stays, which colleagues say remains his intention, he may at a minimum have to issue a formal apology for misleading colleagues and the public about his role in conversations that led to the unmasking of CIA operative Valerie Plame, according to senior Republican sources familiar with White House deliberations.

"Karl does not have any real enemies in the White House, but there are a lot of people in the White House wondering how they can put this behind them if the cloud remains over Karl," said a GOP strategist who has discussed the issue with top White House officials. "You can not have that [fresh] start as long as Karl is there."

McClellan relayed Rove's denial to reporters from the White House lectern in 2003, and he has not yet offered a public explanation for his inaccurate statements. "That is affecting everybody," said a Republican who has discussed the issue with the White House. "Scott personally is really beaten down by this. Everybody I talked to talks about this."

Political pressure is rising from the outside. A few conservatives have suggested it is time for Rove to go. William A. Niskanen, chairman of the libertarian Cato Institute, told Reuters on Tuesday that Bush has to "sacrifice" some top aides starting with Rove, who he said has given good campaign advice but poor guidance on getting legislation passed.

Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) said on MSNBC's "Hardball" the same day, "The question is, should he be the deputy chief of staff for policy under the current circumstances?"

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Nine out of ten? That would be including GOPhers.

Seems many on the wrong side of the issue are getting a clue. Sure, he never did anything wrong, he just has body odor or something. Maybe the SCLM is making Trent and the CATO institute say mean things. The SCLM has comic book super hero powers.

I am sure that is it.

To think, we used to be wearing the tin foil hats now it seem the hat is on the neocons.

The overly verbose ten percent that still believe, have marginalized themselves.Since when do they believe in minority rule? Only if they are the minority.

capt

the headline should have read:

Rove's Future Role Is Debated by wacky liberals who wont stop until his head is delivered to them on a silver platter.

or would that be to long?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/27/international/middleeast/27food.html?th&emc=th

UNITED NATIONS, Oct. 26 - More than 4,500 companies took part in the United Nations oil-for-food program and more than half of them paid illegal surcharges and kickbacks to Saddam Hussein, according to the independent committee investigating the program.

Imagine if Bush had not deposed Saddam and then the sanctions were lifted. How long do you think it would have been beform he accuired WMD's....he had plenty of money thanks to the UN!

Senate to probe how case for war was made

Democrats' gambit revived a long-delayed Senate inquiry.

By Gail Russell Chaddock
Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON –†By moving the Senate into a secret session for two hours this week, Democrats put a politically charged question back on the table: Did the Bush administration exaggerate the case for war against Iraq?

Emboldened by last week's indictment of former top White House aide I. Lewis Libby, Democrats Tuesday used an obscure parliamentary rule to capture the Senate floor. In doing so, they infuriated Republicans but won a timetable to complete a long-delayed Senate investigation of whether the White House manipulated the intelligence used to justify invading Iraq.

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If it infuriates the GOPhers is it the right thing to do.

Judging from the "Sports radio" type of trash talk coming from the ten percent solution on this blog, I would say they sound like they are in complete meltdown.

We can expect more and worse. Replying or commenting to them only encourages more of the same. None of the trolls that come here will ever be convinced.

The support Bush like the support their favorite sports team and they seem to think trash talk is political discourse. They are dyed in the wool (insert team name) and will never admit their "team" (read: Bush) stinks like cut bait (weeks old).

Anybody that wants to talk stats and figures is called stupid and crazy. Sports radio trash talkers. Like telling a Raiders fan their team sucks, it does but to the fan those are fightin’†words, ergo the snipe and yip-yap that seems to always increase as their team is exposed for cheating.

I personally enjoy it. Come on trash me some more, it means their team has already lost.

capt

Bush aide denies ties to fake Iraq-Niger documents

By Adam Entous
Wed Nov 2, 6:46 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, denied on Wednesday that he or his staff received fake documents in 2002 that showed Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger, a claim that formed part of the administration's case for going to war

The White House acknowledged after the war that the intelligence was faulty and Hadley took the blame for the reference that showed up in Bush's State of the Union speech.

According to reports in the Italian newspaper La Repubblica, Italian intelligence helped pass off forged documents that accused Iraq of trying to buy 500 tons of "yellowcake" uranium from Niger.

Focus has centered on Hadley because of his September 9, 2002, meeting with Italy's intelligence chief, Nicolo Pollari.

Exactly one month later, on October 9, 2002, an Italian journalist provided the U.S. Embassy in Rome with copies of documents about the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium sale, according to a U.S. congressional investigation. Copies of the documents were then sent to State Department headquarters and the CIA, the congressional report said.

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's office said last week that the government and Italian intelligence had no "direct or indirect role in the fabrication and the transmission of the 'fake dossier on Niger uranium."'

Backing up Berlusconi's account, the White House said earlier this week that U.S. officials who attended the September 9, 2002, meeting do not remember any discussion of the Niger claim or any exchange of documents.

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These guys have very poor memories about way too many things. They "do not remember any discussion" are weasel words because they will not be clear and say "it was not discussed" and if they did not remember why would Bush want to include the "500 tons" a lucky guess?

capt

Micki at #95 (escaped prisoners)

I don't remember where I seen it now, but...
It just so happens one of 'em at least, was scheduled to testify in a few days, at a torture trial against a US soldier. More bad reality-based reporting would've come from that. You don't think our guys slipped him out of town, do ya? Either took him through, or gave him a map of the fkn minefields surrounding the razor-wire fenced-in base? We should be hearing more about this!

I think that what we must acknowledge is what Gerald has mentioned several times: the person known as The President, George W Bush, is not sane and is in serious need of deep therapy. By trying to apply rational reasoning to an analysis of his behavior is to try to understand a mass murderer, a violent, sadistic rapist or a Hitler using sane logic. These people do not operate from this context and are sociopaths. They need to be removed from society and treated in whatever way is possible. Whether they can be rehabilitated is of less consequence than removing them from society to protect the rest of us. I do not condone nor propose killing them or torturing them, or in any way mistreating them. As hard as it is to refrain from such a response, it is what separates the sane and compassionate from the insane and sociopathic. To state that a person is insane, without a clinical analysis by a professional, is treading on dangerous, but I believe that there are enough professional mental health practitioners who have analyzed George W's behavior to make this statement stick. It would be too dangerous to one's career to publicly state this analysis, but I would be willing to bet that there are numerous such professionals who secretly and among themselves discuss this conclusion.

So, best to change the context of the Bush criticism to one of advocating the removal of a dangerously ill person from such a place of power. There is enough evidence of his irrational behavior to safely draw this conclusion.

#26 Gerald: I actually was privileged to take a course from Lou Tice in the mid-90s, paid for my a major financial services corporation, Prudential Financial, and highly respect his work. "You give up control in order to be in control." To stop fighting the Bush personality and surrender to the fact of its sickness; then we can simply take him away for treatment, and any others who are truly deranged, not for political reasons, but for humanitarian reasons.

As for Allison, I don't know if it is male or female, but it certainly is close to being in the same deranged status as its hero. When the solution to any disagreement is the destruction of the opposition, there is no reasoning that can resolve the conflict. To reason with the irrational is, in itself, insanity. We must do more than remove them from society, however. We must seek to treat them and discover the source of the sociopathology. Whether mental or physical symptoms are present, they are indicators of a deeper cause and should be treated as such. Taking aspirin for a headache will not cure the tumor that causes the headache; making stronger pain-killing drugs only allow the deeper dis-ease more time to grow and do more damage. Let's get to the source of the pain and treat it, so the rest of the body may heal--become whole.

May Peace Prevail on Earth,
St. John

I know, maybe that OBL right-hand man flipped, and is now undercover for Bush. Yeah, that's what's what. surely

Sounds like you admire the liars like Bill Clinton. All politicians learned from the biggest criminals, Bill and Hill, to just lie lie and lie some more. When you run into a truthful man like President Bush, you liars and liar lovers just don't know what to do.

Stephen Hadley, denied on Wednesday that he or his staff received fake documents in 2002

Now if he would've been asked "Did you help create those documents?", I guess he wouldn't 'lawyer'd up like Feith's group.

Bush tells the truth, it's just everyone around him who's lying? Is that it Treb, Soko, et al...?
Libby - lied
Rove - lied
Scotty-boy - had to lie daily
*time out... Scotty-boy's uncle, a Mr. Keeton, brother to Carole Keeton Rylander, just so happens to be representing the Bug Man in criminal court with Deguerin (sp ck).
Condi - lied
Hadley - lied
Hannah - lied
Addington - lied
Powell - lied
Gen. Myers - lied
Tenet - lied, but ooozed rather than shouted
Frist - lied
Delay - lied
zat enough, or should I go on?
Bush is pure as heavenly manna, surviving in purity in a sea of sinister lies? He's god, isn't he? Tells us the truth.

*would've

We are wasting time talking about Bush's capabilties or lack thereof, or his character.

Deep down many know that Cheney is the surrogate father to Bush, in fact let's just say he runs the show, and Bush well he is pretty much for show. In fact its a benefit to the WH Admin to direct the nation's attention on to Bush Junior and not Cheney and others, by distracting people including the opposition with inane comments, incompherensible speech and twisted logic, is really all part of the plan for Cheney to keep a low profile and execute with impunity. 9-11 afforded the opportunity to have the vice president "out of sight" in bunkers. We all were supposed to think he was just doing some boring paperwork that were the result of earlier Bush Junior decisions, and when time allowed he read the wall street journal. However, he really was making the decisions with the president being ab stentia doing the little distracting routine.

Not that Bush Jr. used to have some acumen for politics since he once he ran his real father's campaign and tried to bridge his dad's New England image into a southern respectability. However, despite being capable of only being a C+ performing student for the long haul, he was given the privelege of sitting in the big throne as long as his tutor/nanny in the Greek/Roman tradition was watching over him. This tutor was the master of politics that even Bush, Jr recognized it and showed his reverent disdain by calling him names like "turdblossom" and throwing little fits at him. But Rove just smiled he knew who the real boss was. When it came to crisises, big decisions or testifying before congressional commissions Cheney would be there either for him, or at least with him testifying together about how the WH admin worked.

Here's an honest man telling the truth. Our trolls especially, should watch this. Jimmy Carter was hitting homers today.

My name's Jimmah, Jimmah Carter, and I'm a peppah. My brother Billy, he's a peppah tooo

haha Sorry 'bout that, but I think of that Dr. Pepper ad on the radio years ago, every time I see or hear him talk, still. lol

Bird flu. shimd blew,..............It's another terror tactic, Rove's fingerprints are all over this bird flu crap.

The master of manipulation still his his chops.

But; I humbly submit to those who would indite...Who will we have leading the country; should be succeed in outing this Administration?

Personally, I look to change in Congress as our best hope.

I could be wrong.

Corky is talking about moving to Canada. I hate this a lot.

His grandfather fought to (actually) protect and defend America. Back then the country knew how to view a real threat.

Back then foreign policy was not mandated by lobbies.

It becomes more Orwellian with every passing day.

It was great to see Jimmy Carter on Oberman. He is my personal pic as Best President Ever. He did not put himself or his principals up for auction, and the beltway ate him alive.

He is and always has been a good and principaled man. I could not see him staging a photo op for a supreme court nominee at the casket of a great American patriot.

Actual Faith is easy to recognise. What we are seeing is a war on the right. Fox hosts "happy republican news" while at the same time airing shows that are remarkably risque'. Whats up with that?

A Party this conflicted......cannot long stand.

This is my take.

GOD if he/she exists please accept Rosa as one of the good guys.

Rosa wore a white hat. Not blue, not red........white.

Ironic aint it?

Taking Bush out, means asking Rice in? Anyone besides me see flaws here?

This country has been led by political bots way long enough.

Aborton is not baby killing, as convienient as this might be to a fringe group.

Anyone who has ever produced a baby knows this.

This is another smoke screen by the Right. They don't give a rats backside about the plight of the poor. No need, it doesn't touch them.

Bush did not interrupt his vacation for the Psunami
, but he did, in his jammies no less to weigh in on
Terry Schivo. Food for thought.

I wish them all brittle diabetic children.

Do I wish fewer abortions would happen..........oh hell yes. When I knew for sure this happened. surethat I held a human life in my person, it was REAL to me. No way I could have aborted this entity. NO way.

This having been said, I could support another child, and raise this child well. I know Im a minority.

Would I like to see a lot fewer abortions.........oh hell yes.

Do I think its my job to mandate this......oh hell no.

Corky is talking about moving to Canada. Im at a seriously low ebb.

And yet........ I see hope.

Please help Corky see this hope.

Our White House sold us a crock of crap, o.k.....what's next?

Im not so much a democrat as Im NOT A
REPUBLICAN.

For many Iraq Lies skeptics, eliminative inductions are mere arguments from ignorance, that is, arguments for the "truth" of a proposition because it has not been shown to be "false." In arguments from ignorance, the lack of evidence for a proposition is used to argue for its "truth." A stereotypical argument from ignorance goes something like “gnomes exist because you haven’t shown me that they don’t exist.”

No one knows if Mr. Bush has lied because he has never testified under oath, in public as to what he was told by his staff and by the American Intelligence community.

The Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's PreWar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq is full of references to agents and officers that warned the White House staff that they were dead wrong. Mr. Powell's former assistant, Mr. Wilkerson repeatedly shot down ridiculous assertions made by Mr. Cheney's staff (re: Iraq's WMD).

The question remains: when was Mr. Bush told of the intelligence community's doubts about WMD and whom was responsible for keeping your President informed? It seems your country has the most ignorant government on the face of the planet or the most dishonest. Which is it?

"The moral demise of a nation precedes the ultimate demise of a nation. America is in a state of moral demise because Americans do not believe in God. They have chosen the antichrist of money, nuclear weapons, and the words of Bush."

Gerald,

Once again you are saying that I am not a moral person because I do not believe in your "god". This is not true. I wish you would get off this!

There has been a lot of evil actions performed in the name of "God" so I wish you would just get off of your high horse and stick to the subject, which is Bush hijacked your "god" and is doing bad things in "His" name. But don't bring me and others like me into it.

We have every capability of doing good things and living a very moral life - we just don't happen to agree with your position that there is this omnipotent "being" out there that you call "God".

Please, leave it alone and stop prosletizing!!!!!

alan-

I believe in the LORD, and know that BUSH aint him! Bush has made mistakes, and I do not support all of his ideas.
I dont claim to know who LIED, as many at this site are prone to do! All i know is that in 91 Saddam signed a peace treaty, and then never lived up to his part of the deal. I repeat read the statments that were posted on 107!

Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, Bill Clinton, and others,said the same things that Bush repeated in 2002. I dont hear you saying that they lied! Something magical happened when Bush said the same things that the Democratic leadership said and threatened to backed it up with the use of force. You see alan I voted for Clinton and think that his biggest mistake had nothing to do with a BLUE DRESS!
I wish that the Clinton White House had followed throuht with the "RESIME CHANGE IN IRAQ" policy that was born in the late 90's, I just have a sneeking suspision that half of you lefties here would have supported an IRAQ war if it had taken place between 93 and 2001!

flan

where did you get your morality, and how do you compair it to the morality of others? Who says what is good? By what standard do you judge good? I know how much a dollar is worth, but how do you judge the value of a dollar to the value of the yen? There has to be a standard, and if you dont believe in GOD where does your standard come from?

titchaba,

You said everything I was thinking about abortion. Thank you!

I personally couldn't have an abortion but I have not been in a situatio that would cause me to even think about it. I know people who have been in that position and it is definitely not an easy decision, but it should be theirs to make and not the government's decision.

My sister had a very wanted pregnancy terminated because of a major deformity that would have meant either a still birth or the baby would not have lived very long after birth - I mean a matter of hours - it had no brain. She used Planned Parenthood for all of her well woman gynecology - including when she had her first child before this. When she went to have her abortion, she had to get past those good "Christians" that would want to make her a slave to her biology. It was very traumatic for her. She had two very wanted children after that.

This is just one story - there are thousands and thousands like her.

titchaba
Aborton is not baby killing, as convienient as this might be to a fringe group.

Anyone who has ever produced a baby knows this.

Well my wife and i have produced a baby and i disagree with you. My wife is pregnant now and at the first doctors visit we did hear the BABY'S HEART BEAT! The baby is alive in her womb and if she were to have a miscarrage then we would morn the loss of the BABY. You can say that a fetus with a heartbeat is not a baby if it makes you feel better about abortion,but to my wife and I we are waiting for the baby to be born, not to die.

Capt wrote:

>If the party does not stand for what is right they will not stand for anything

People of good conscience do not agree on what is "right" with respect to the issues I mentioned...and never will.

Bob in North Dakota

trebloc,

For someone who would walk lock step with this administration, I don't think I have to justify where my standards for morality come from to you. That is my business, which is the point I was trying to make.

I resent the fact that there is this belief out there that one has to believe in "god" to have a center of morality. "God" is a man-made invention, in my opinion, so it is man who has decided what is moral or not, not the other way around.

These books that are written, the Bible, the Koran and others are all supposed to be the word of "God", but they are just the word of man. Don't fool yourself.

hmm...

No comments since last night? I'm guessing this thing is broken...

-T

Hajji,

I made comments this morning, don't you see them?

uhmmm..

Perhaps it is I who is broken...

Bush's Abortion Flip-Flop?

David Corn

In 1978, Bush, a 31-year-old oilman, was seeking the Republican nomination in Texas' 19th Congressional District, which included Midland, Odessa and Lubbock. He was locked in a fierce battle with Jim Reese, a veteran campaigner and Reagan Republican. Days before the June 3 primary runoff, Bush was interviewed by a reporter for the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal. Reese had attacked Bush for being cozy with liberal Rockefeller Republicans. In response, Bush listed conservative positions he held. "I'm not for the extension of the time to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment," he told the paper. "I feel the ERA is unnecessary. I'm not for the federal funding of abortions. I've done nothing to promote homosexuality in our society." But he went on to explain his view on abortion. The Avalanche-Journal reported: "Bush said he opposes the pro-life amendment favored by Reese and favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question. 'That does not mean I'm for abortion,' he said."

So, Bush opposed the main goal of the antiabortion movement, a constitutional amendment banning abortion, which the GOP had endorsed. Moreover, he echoed the language of abortion-rights supporters: Abortion is a matter best left to a woman and her doctor. Bush's reported remarks were in step with the family position. His father, who as a Congressman was such a proponent of family planning he was nicknamed Rubbers, supported abortion rights until he became Reagan's running mate in 1980.

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A little trip down memory lane

Sure the pro-life idiots feel completely consistent being pro-war.

Life is precious as long and the baby is not been born. Once born we call them collateral damage.

Pro-life is not pro-war.

Pro-life is pro-peace or it is self-conflicted.

What would Jesus say? You believe in the lord but refuse what he taught? Nush if a flip-flopper as the winds blow. That is what happens when a person has no spine.

capt

bizzare....checking in this am, comments stopped at #78.

I've gotta do some digital housekeeping before I'm worthy to appear with the likes of Trebloc, Allison and the Tim's...

-later,

T

Inside the bunker

His administration has become its own republic of fear, and Bush is a prisoner to the right

Sidney Blumenthal
Thursday November 3, 2005
The Guardian

One year after his re-election President Bush governs from a bunker. "We go forward with complete confidence," he proclaimed in his second inaugural address. He urged "our youngest citizens" to see the future "in the determined faces of our soldiers", to choose between "evil" and "courage". But as he listened that day, Vice-President Dick Cheney knew the election had been secured by a cover-up.
"I would have wished nothing better," declared Patrick Fitzgerald in his press conference of October 28 announcing the indictment of I Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice-president's chief of staff, "that, when the subpoenas were issued in August 2004, witnesses testified then, and we would have been here in October 2004 instead of October 2005. No one would have went to jail."

The indictment documents that Cheney confirmed the identity of Valerie Plame to him. The indictment also describes a figure called "Official A", subsequently disclosed to be Karl Rove, the president's chief political adviser, who informed Libby that he had told the conservative columnist Robert Novak of Plame's status. The next day Libby conferred with Cheney on how to handle the matter; that very day, Libby revealed Plame's identity to two reporters. Then Libby falsely testified that he had learned Plame's name from reporters.

On September 30 2003 President Bush emphatically stated that he wanted anyone in his administration with information about the Plame leak to "come forward". On June 10 2004 he pledged that anyone on his staff who leaked Plame's name would be fired.

Hostage to his failed fortune, Bush is a prisoner of the right. His administration has become its own republic of fear. Libby's trial will reveal the administration's political methods. Cheney, along with a host of others, will be called to testify. Whatever other calamities may befall Bush, their spectre harries him to the right. "Disunity, dissolution and vacillation" are hallmarks of "the path of conciliation", as Lenin wrote in What is to be Done. The vanguard on "the path of struggle" criticised for being "an exclusive group," must oppose any retreat proposed by the "opportunist rearguard". "We are surrounded on all sides by enemies, and we have to advance almost constantly under their fire."

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This administration (as in others) falls victim to their paranoia. They commit crimes without a care in the world, they just cannot handle be caught and called to account.

capt

(Nush? HA! a contraction of No-Bush?)

Newsview: Bush Allies Say He's Lost His Way

By RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer
Tue Nov 1, 9:53 PM ET

WASHINGTON - The building blocks of President Bush's career — his credibility and image as a strong and competent leader — have been severely undercut by self-inflicted wounds, leading close allies to fret about his presidency. They say he's lost his way.

These senior Republicans, including past and current White House advisers, say they believe the president can find his way back into people's hearts but extreme measures need to be taken. Shake up his staff, unveil fresh policies, travel the country and be more accountable for his mistakes — these and other solutions are being discussed at the highest levels of the GOP.

The vow was not just a reference to the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal. It was a nod at every ethical question that ever hovered over President Clinton, any blurring of what Bush viewed as a clear bright line between right and wrong.

"In my administration, we will ask not only what is legal but what is right, not just what the lawyers allow but what the public deserves," Bush said Oct. 26, 2000.

Five years later, senior White House adviser I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby was accused of covering up his involvement in the CIA leak case, an investigation that raises questions about the role played by Bush confidant Karl Rove and Vice President Dick Cheney to discredit an Iraq war critic.

The case cuts at the president's hard-earned credibility.

In June 2004, Bush said he stood by his pledge to "fire anybody" in his administration shown to have leaked Valerie Plame's name. His press secretary, after checking with Libby and Karl, assured the public that neither man had anything to do with the leak.

It turns out they both were involved, though Rove has not been charged and neither man has been charged with breaking the law against revealing the identity of an undercover agent.

The president's own supporters call that a Clintonesque distinction that violates the spirit of Bush's pledge from 2000. Some say Bush should publicly chastise Libby and Rove while insisting on a public accounting of Cheney's role.

A White House official privately put it this way: Bush has to step up somehow and be accountable.

These allies said they would only speak on condition of anonymity because they did not want to be viewed as disloyal.

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Step up? Somehow? It would be very easy, all he has to do is come clean, admit his lies, errors, mistakes, miscalculations, misstatements, fabrications, faked evidence, etc. it would not even be necessary to say such a thing to an honest man.

capt

ALERT...ALERT.... This morning at 10a.m eastern standard time on the Diane Rehm show they will be discussing the "CIA SECRET PAPERS" the guest will be DAVID COLE, Senator Carl Levin, Dana Priest, David Rivkin. Many may have questions about this critical topic.

CALL 1-800-433-8850 AT 10 A.M. BE POLITE ...START CALLING AT 10...BE POLITE AND CLEAR AND TO THE POINT.....
Although I have a FAVOR TO ASK IF YOU FEEL SO INCLINED. As I have stated before I have been calling, and writing into many shows (for years now about different topics). The last year and a half focused on PHASEII OF THE SSCI (senate Select committee on intelligence). The favor I am asking (because I have gotten on so often) is PLEASE CALL IN THIS MORNING, of course asking your own questions....BUT PLEASE...PLEASE..PLEASE MENTION HOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO HAVE ALL OF THE INTELLIGENCE AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE INVESTIGATED WHO CREATED AND DESSSIMINATED THE FALSE INTELLIGENCE. YOU CAN POSE THIS AS A QUESTION. DO YOUR GUEST THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO HAVE SENATOR PAT ROBERTS THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATE THIS TOPIC?
WE NEED TO FLOOD THE AIRWAYS WITH THIS QUESTION AND DEMAND. WE NEED TO DO OUR PART AND APPLY PRESSURE..FOR THE TRUTH....WHETHER YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN OR AN INDEPENDENT..DOES NOT MATTER...THE TRUTH ABOUT THE INTELLIGENCE IS THE FOCUS.

Here are a few clues when you call or e-mail. Start calling at the top of the hour...obviously keep pushing redial...use your cell phone and land line, or as many lines as you have access to. If you get through...BE POLITE..THE SCREEENER IS VERY NICE.....ADDRESS THE TOPIC THEY ARE DISCUSSING...BEST TO STATE AN OPINION BASED ON EVIDENCE.....THEN ASK A RELEVANT QUESTION. THEN THROW IN YOUR REQUEST THAT DIANE GET ROCKERFELLER AND ROBERTS ON HER SHOW........THE NUMBER IS 1-800- 433-8850...START CALLING AT 10 A.M. MOST IMPORTANTLY BE POLITE AND RESPECTFUL....CLEAR AND TO THE POINT

We have a system of communication that we do not use enough......GO FOR IT

I GOT THROUGH ON C-SPAN THIS MORNING DURING OPEN PHONES.......AND ASKED RESPECTFULLY (AGAIN) WHY C-SPAN WHY SENATOR ROBERTS AND SENATOR ROCEKFELLER HAVE NOT BEEN ON. I FINALLY DID GET AN ANSWERT TO THIS QUESTION. The host said that they have made numerous attempts, and have been refused.

This is absurd the american people should have all of the information that they need about the intelligence PHASE II MUST BE IMPLEMENTED AND WE MUST DO OUR PART AND DEMAND IT............ ( WHICH I HAVE BEEN DOING LIKE I SAID

Kathleen,

GO GIRL! And I am right there with you.

Would that be 10am eastern or pacific?

I will try to follow your directions to the best of my abilities.

Thanks

capt

Eastern. Sorry I was reading from the bottom up.

Little helper:

I too have called into a few shows and have found that even a scrap of paper with the points/questions/comments I want to speak of, helps.

I got on with Alex Jones (years ago before Bush) and was so nervous that I just babbled and sounded like some kind of numbskull (big surprise).

I have gotten on our local station with a single set of simple notes on a sheet of paper and I hit on every point, I sounded much more clear, still a bit numb between the ears but . .

It is just human nature to get nervous. Just like the boy scouts, be prepared!

capt

The trolls need to make hay while the sun shines, but as WTF said, it won't be shining for much longer. I guess when the economy finally collapses they can blame clinton, the king of liars HAHAHA!
Hajji, are you home now?

Capt wrote:

>Pro-life is not pro-war.

There are pro-life people who were strongly against this war, and are also against captial punishment.

Democrats are as self-conflicted as the pro-war pro-lifers....they say they are for protecting the weak, for championing the rights of the powerless, but somehow think that a million dead babies a year is a groovy thing, and something worth fighting for.

But hey, we'll never agree on this, Capt. My only point was that the Democrats will remain out of power as long as they side with the radical pro-abortion crowd. Many people who would normally side with them (moderate Catholics, many Hispanics, Black fundamentalists) are pro-life, and cannot vote for candidates who kill babies.

Bob

Unless the babies happen to live in the middle east! This is the most disgusting hypocrisy. The right is more interested in afflicting the entire country with their personal beliefs than they are in stopping abortion. If they truly cared about preventing the deaths of babies they sure as hell wouldn't be supporting this lying, murderous idiot in office.

Here's a good article about Rove still simmering in the pot.
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And Away We Go

...Yippee kay-yay. From tomorrow's WaPo:
Top White House aides are privately discussing the future of Karl Rove, with some expressing doubt that President Bush can move beyond the damaging CIA leak case as long as his closest political strategist remains in the administration.

While Rove faces doubts about his White House status, there are new indications that he remains in legal jeopardy from Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald's criminal investigation of the Plame leak.
You mean that Adam Levine thing was all bullshit? No, say it ain't so!
The prosecutor spoke this week with an attorney for Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper about his client's conversations with Rove before and after Plame's identity became publicly known because of anonymous disclosures by White House officials, according to two sources familiar with the conversation....

More disgusting, embarrassing behavior by the (allegedly dry) dry-drunk in the WH. GWB is the National Shame of the United States.

From americablog:

by John in DC - 11/02/2005 11:51:00 AM

Yes, threats to our national security during wartime are very funny, Mr. President. It's especially funny when secret agents, US soldiers, and American citizens' lives are put at risk because of those leaks and our commander in chief doesn't do a damn thing about it.

Wednesday, November 02, 2005

Bush makes jokes about his White House staff leaking and his not wanting to get to the bottom of it

ROUNDTABLE INTERVIEW OF THE PRESIDENT
WITH FOREIGN PRINT MEDIA
The Roosevelt Room
November 1, 2005

With that, we'll start. Jorge, como yo.

Q Mr. President, in Argentina, you will have a bilateral meeting with President Kirchner.

THE PRESIDENT: Si.

Q What I want to know -- sources of the government told me that they would ask you about more cooperation on support for Argentina, you know, in the IMF fund --

THE PRESIDENT: IMF.

Q Exactly.

THE PRESIDENT: Please don't tell me that the government leaks secrets about conversations to the --

Q Well, I have my sources in the government.

THE PRESIDENT: You do? Okay, well I'm not going to ask you who they are, of course. (Laughter.)

Q No, please.

THE PRESIDENT: Inside joke here, for my team. (Laughter.)

END

Pandemic Is Inevitable Sez Govt. Officials

Past pandemics have caused millions of deaths worldwide. The Spanish flu of 1918 killed as many as 40 million people.

"No one today can say how many people might die if the virus does mutate," said Dr. David L. Heymann, executive director of communicable diseases for the World Health Organization, speaking today at the TIME Global Health Summit in New York. "It's an unknown. The worry is what's not known, and with this disease, we know very little."
^^^^^^^^^^6
ha - is that why they dug up the bodies of 1918 victims and tampered with the virus? because "we know very little" ?

and what about H5N1(avian flu)? here's a bunch of information about that: 215 articles about H5N1

left unsaid is the fact that rumsfeld owns 40% of Tamiflu, the company that makes the vaccine for avian flu

Capt.,

Thank you for #78. I don't know if you are aware of it or not, but SCOTUS just heard a case involving a church in America using huasca, another form (linguistic?) of ayahuasca.

It seems on this issue, Chief Justice Roberts may be actually willing to grant federal exception to the drug laws.

Rick Strassman has a book out on research studies he did on DMT, the psychoactive compound found in ayahuasca called "The Spirit Molecule."

New Strain Of H5N1 Is Resistant To TAMIFLU Anti-Virals

here's my favorite one - so, while bush is on all of our tv's harping about his 7 billion $$ bird flu vaccination plan, the med will be useless anyway -
and don't forget about Chiron - the geniuses what contaminated all the vaccines in England last year - so far this year they've contaminated a good third of the vaccines they're supposed to be making

Allison, My Aim is True...
Elvis Costello

Confessions of a Marine
By Jean-Paul Mari
Le Nouvel Observateur Thursday 27 October 2005 edition

Iraq: The story no American publisher wanted.

In a just-published book, Master-Sergeant Jimmy Massey tells about his mission to recruit for, then fight in, the war in Iraq. He tells why he killed. And cracked.

Jimmy Massey is 34 years old. He's originally a Texas boy, raised as a good Southern Baptist who loves squirrel hunting with his air rifle. After 12 years in the Marines, Jim is a broken man, a veteran afflicted with Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome, a depressive hooked on his medications, haunted by the nightmare images in which he massacres innocent civilians, scenes experienced in Iraq when he was nothing but a killing machine. Jim has cracked, has withdrawn from the service for medical reasons, and has written a raw and brutal book. Telling the life of a Marine of today, revealing "how he talks, how he thinks, how he fucks, and how he kills." The army denies the facts and his former comrades have insulted, rejected, and threatened him. His testimony ulcerates Neo-Conservative America and shocks the politically correct. In the United States, no publishing house has dared to publish his manuscript. Extracts follow.

**********

Nuaseatingly specific, I warn you.

Colorado just passed a weed/carry law.

Here in NM natives can carry peyote and other stuff (not sure which specifically)

I hoped I would get someone to comment on the art work. I really enjoyed it.

Bob, I think it is a good thing to disagree! That is all good. It we all agreed on everything this would be an echo chamber devoid of good information. We should all always challenge each others beliefs, assumptions, and understanding of the important issues. I did not mean to flame you, you know if we disagree it is without disrespect. I hope you know that you earned my respect long ago and have never lost any no matter the subject.

capt

Robert @159: I was just going to post that link off truthout.com, with a warning to folks that they may read it and weep. Powerful counterpoint to the trolls whose goo-filled heads keep exploding in here as the Bush Reich crumbles. Anyone see the latest CBS poll? As a bit more truth drips out Bush rockets down in approval polling. Imgaine if his remaining supporters were forced to be exposed to the full truth for a few days, Clockwork Orange fashion. Cheers, folks.

"goo-filled heads keep exploding in here as the Bush Reich crumbles"

Almost spit my coffee all over my keyboard!

HA!

Thanks

capt

The Tamiflu Tug of War

As bird flu panic spreads, demand for the influenza medicine—°nd the shares of its suppliers—©s getting feverish. Among the beneficiaries: Donald Rumsfeld.

By Nelson D. Schwartz

A year ago Tamiflu was known, if at all, as an obscure remedy for influenza, which doctors typically treat with bed rest and chicken soup. Today, with panic mounting over a potential bird flu pandemic, it's the most sought-after drug in the world, as everyone from suburban soccer moms in the U.S. to health officials in London and Taipei scramble to stockpile the pill. At the moment, it seems, virtually the entire world is on sick-chicken alert.

"One dead parrot in the U.K. and four dead ducks in Romania does not mean the pandemic has arrived," says William Burns, head of the pharmaceutical division of Roche, the Swiss company that manufactures Tamiflu. But the appearance in Europe of the H5N1 strain of bird flu—∑hich has already infected 121 people in Asia, 62 fatally—®as set off a stampede for the medicine and created a contagion of stock market speculation about Roche and the California biotech firm that first developed Tamiflu, Gilead Sciences. Despite worries about Tamiflu's effectiveness, the phenomenon is a reminder of just how quickly fear can spawn greed: The potential profit windfall for the drugmakers seems to be growing daily, and shares in both Roche and Gilead are surging.

Among the beneficiaries of the run on Tamiflu is Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who was chairman of Gilead from 1997 to 2001 and owns at least $5 million of the stock, which has jumped from $35 in April to $47. Former Secretary of State George Shultz, who is on Gilead's board, has sold more than $7 million worth of Gilead in 2005.

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Seems like there are millions of reasons for the government to push a patented treatment for the symptoms that might never appear?

Million$ and million$ of reasons to lie AGAIN to the public. It is all for profit, what are you anti-business?

capt

#159,

Noble cause my left butt cheek!

The true horror of every war includes the damage we do creating effective killers so we can win.

All of this, all of these silent and unseen casualties to save us from non-existent WMD's?

This is going on while Saddam sits in prison? We won, regime change established. So now we have to stay because we screwed the pooch going in? We screwed up so we have to stay and make it worse, kill more people, cause more damage?

It just slays me when these armchair generals and head-strong chicken-hawks come here to rah-rah the war and emit shrill screams about abortion.

People are dying, our people, their people, human beings are being blown to pieces for a lie. They just do not matter as much as blastocysts? I can only conclude they love small cell groups as they want to reduce any opposition to that level?

Blood on their hands just does not do them justice. They have a bloodlust, they want to claim the mantle of Christianity while supporting a war, murder, killing, state sponsored terrorism and institutional murder here at home and while they are at it, let's starve the babies already born here in America if the parent(s) refuse to better themselves with a good job and eduction?

The newest "tax cut" for the top 1% will take food out of the mouths of 300,000 children.

Before these idiots want to take over a womans reproduction I want to see a plan to insure, feed, educate, house and some consideration for the poor souls that will never attain an education or a good paying job.

They are all Americans in full measure, time we realize that and stop making the poor and stupid 3/5ths of a citizen.

Nobody I know is pro-abortion, nobody wants to advocate any such a thing. Calling it "abortion on demand" is a device. It is a womans choice. PERIOD. It does not matter what laws are passed or in place. When a woman is in the position where she thinks she might be pregnant she makes choices no matter who trys to make the choice for her.

The choice a woman makes is personal and private and has nothing to do with legislation. A choice that no man will ever have to consider and all men have no business imposing his beliefs on something no man can ever experience. It is never his choice.

If there is ever going to be a serious discussion about abortion it will be between only women. They are the subject of the debate no matter how hard these Kkkristo-fascists want to change the subject to her reproductive capability.

IMHO

capt

Great posts by great Americans!!! #67 Jeanne, mothers and our young people must be heard.

#133, Evil caused in the name of God does not mean that God caused the evil. We have a free will and it's the free will that decides our actions. 54 million people voted for Bush. The majority voted for evil. The majority of our country are Bush's disciples and they are willing to goose step themselves into hell. I cannot deny that there is a God. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT WE MUST BE UNITED WITH GOD IN ORDER TO BE SAVED. GOD IS THE ULTIMATE GOOD. ONLY GOOD CAN COME FROM BELIEVING IN GOD. To save our planet we must believe in God and good will bome from our believing.

#147 kathleen has great energy and ideas.

Roe v. Wade

The current law of the land allows those who do not believe there are any choices to be made to never have an abortion. That is their right and choice. Why try to impose their "choice" not to ever have an abortion on other women?

Does the state have the right to tell a woman she must have a baby? That is what is at stake. Rights of the individual versus the state taking away the individuals rights?

This is America after all, no matter what dictator we are supposed to have elected or is selected my the MSM and corporate lobbying.

It is NOT what they call you that matters, what matters is what you answer to. ( anybody know who said this first ????? PLeASe tell me.....)
Well, woke up with Condi on my mind. Every time I say/type something regarding the US Secretary of State Rice I can expect a response. Well, maybe not EVERY time, a man does get lonely....................
Condoleezza Rice is within three weeks of her birthday ( November 14 ) . She has been the US Secretary of State for more than eight months now. I could say this and that about her, possibly in a calm manner, but the folks where I live would likely hurl these words at me ......
"Racist " , "Sexist ", " Attempting-To-Provoke-A-Class-War " , " Disrespectful ",
" Rude ", " Mean", and " Traitor. "

Because I wound easily, maybe, I shall type up the words of James P. Pinkerton, 2003.
" Have you heard about the latest civil-rights issue ? It's the war in Iraq. That's
the argument put forth by National Security
Adviser Condoleezza Rice and, given her
position of influence, attention must be paid.

Yes, it may seem strange that the Southern-dominated Republican Party, which came to power starting in the late 1960's
on a " backlash " platform of opposition
to the liberal and integrationist Great Society agenda , is now claiming the civil-rights mantle. Indeed, the GOP today is the mirror image of the party of Lincoln.
The old-line abolitionist states in

To save our planet we must believe in God and good will COME from our believing.

Rove Deathwatch

Place Your Bets

The Washington Post reports that senior White House aids are "privately discussing" the future of Karl Rove.

Steve Gilliard thinks that Rove's days are numbered. So, he's announcing a friendly contest at The News Blog:

So we're gonna have a little contest: whoever guesses the day and time of Rove's exit from the WH will win a $50 gift certificate from Barnes and Noble.

And an announcement from the Special Prosecutor does not count, only the WH.

The runner up gets a t-shirt from their favorite lefty blog.

Email your entries to steve@newsblog@yahoo.com

*****end of clip*****

This is the football type pool I was think of about a week ago!

It should be fun - my prediction is Rove will be gone when he wants to go, not before. Although with more than a few GOPhers already speaking of BaR (Bush after Rove) I will offer a date and time just for fun.

capt

.... old line abolitionist states in New England and the Midwest are mostly Democratic, while Republicans dominate such once-Confederate states as Mississippi, Florida and, of course, George W. Bush's Texas.
In a speech last Thursday to the National
Association of Black Journalists, Rice said that A M E R I C A must make a
"generational commitment " to the task
of transforming not only Iraq but the entire Middle East . Her remarks garnered headlines because they dramatically extended
the time horizon of America's Iraq en-
gagement. Not so long ago, we were told
that we'd be there for a few months.
Now, it's looking like a few decades. "

------ James P. Pinkerton, 2003.

No permission was granted to reproduce this.

Sharing Information

Every Sunday morning NPR has a program SPEAKING OF FAITH. The host had a guest from Calvin College. Calvin College is in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Grand Rapids is in western Michigan and a hotbed of neoconservative thinking and religion.

The professor from Calvin College said that it was for the various religions to decide on moral issues like abortion. It was not for government to interfere. There needs to be a separation between religion and government.

Bush talks pro-life for the votes but he is pro-war and pro-preemptive nuclear wars on any country that does not follow America. How can that be pro-life thinking?

Second Judge Out for DeLay Trial By APRIL CASTRO, Associated Press Writer

Two days after U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay won a fight to get a new judge in his case, prosecutors on Thursday succeeded in ousting the Republican jurist responsible for selecting the new judge.

Administrative Judge B.B. Schraub recused himself after District Attorney Ronnie Earle filed a motion asking for his removal from the case.

Schraub said he will ask the chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court name a judge to preside over DeLay's conspiracy and money laundering trial.

State district Judge Bob Perkins, a Democrat, was removed from DeLay's case Tuesday after DeLay's legal team cast doubt on Perkins' ability to judge the case fairly because of more than $5,000 in contributions he's made to Democrats.

Earle said in his motion filed Thursday that Schraub has made more than $5,000 in contributions to Republican candidates, including to Gov. Rick Perry, a DeLay ally, which calls into question Schraub's impartiality in the case.

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A precedent for judging the impartiallity of judges?

Robert No. 159

The beans have already been spilled, so it doesn't matter now. Most people have already heard about this, but both books are still good reads.

Writing the books was the brain child of several soldiers. Jim was just one of the writers, but he had the idea of using different ghost names to write two books with two different sets of facts.

One for liberals the other for conservatives. The intent is to sell to both sides of the market and make as much as possible. We found it works best putting out the old Banned in Boston type promotion. Liberals like the RED MEAT stuff best, and are more than willing to buy any books that bash Bush and the military. A real gold mine for authors.

Conservatives like the Great Bush, and HOW MUCH WE ARE HELPING IRAQ, point of view. Lots of suckers on both sides I guess.

Anyway, If you like, "Confessions of a Marine", you must check out Jim's other book, "A Grateful Marine", the story of Gunnery Sergeant James Marrey. In this one he tells about his mission in Iraq, and how he saved and rebuilt many lives. Same story, same character, only this draft was slanted pretty hard to the right. Both drafts have some actual facts, but mostly just ideas we came up with to sell books. Both are entertaining. Buy one, We don't care which view you take, just buy one.

Response to #166

Absolutely. If the government can regulate the personal decisions of women regarding abortion what's to stop the government from regulating personal decisions of everybody.

The pro-choice position is not a pro-abortion position. It is a rights issue with respect to a person's right to manage his/her own body.

I had a miscarriage at 4 months, it was devistating for me. My first pregnancy, I was terrified through the next one...and the next one.

To me, the moment I knew I was pregnant, it was my child. It was very, very precious. I personally can not forsee any instance where I would abort a baby. But Im not a victim of rape or incest, and I could support any child I brought in to this world without causing other children to suffer serious loss.

Im real lucky, I have a husband I love and trust, and I know he will be there for me and my kids.

I may be a minority. Bottom line..........my body, my choice.

I will not see desperate women driven to risk their own lives and liberty to end a pregnancy that is insupportable. Thats just it.

Corky was my first live child. I did good. But now Corky is talking about leaving the country his grandfather got mad medals for defending.

Whats wrong with this picture?

You guys know Corky. Heard from him lately?

He, my super patriot .....is loosing interest in our country. This is a bad sign indeed.

I dispair.

I had a miscarriage at 4 months, it was devistating for me. My first pregnancy, I was terrified through the next one...and the next one.

To me, the moment I knew I was pregnant, it was my child. It was very, very precious. I personally can not forsee any instance where I would abort a baby. But Im not a victim of rape or incest, and I could support any child I brought in to this world without causing other children to suffer serious loss.

Im real lucky, I have a husband I love and trust, and I know he will be there for me and my kids.

I may be a minority. Bottom line..........my body, my choice.

I will not see desperate women driven to risk their own lives and liberty to end a pregnancy that is insupportable. Thats just it.

Corky was my first live child. I did good. But now Corky is talking about leaving the country his grandfather got mad medals for defending.

Whats wrong with this picture?

You guys know Corky. Heard from him lately?

He, my super patriot .....is loosing interest in our country. This is a bad sign indeed.

I dispair.

The problem is, we have a liar in the White House. If he would only tell the truth, he might salvage some respect. If troops commit torture, why doesn't Bush admit it? If he lied about going to war, why doesn't he admit it? There will be more lies to come in the next three years. If his staff (Cheney, Rummy, et al)conspired to out CIA agents, why not come clean? This president is NOT Mr. Clean. He's Mr. Dirt Bag.