Same old same old. Heard the speech at work on the radio. He doesn't sound any better even without the comical gestures we see on the boob tube.

Mr. Corn,
Thank you for your good analysis of pretzle boy speech.

As you stated last Friday on the Diane Rehm Show, Bush went into Iraq with no good way out.

What wasn't said in this speech today, is that we can expect to hear that as ground troops are pulled out more US led air strikes will be occuring with increasing civilian casualties and probable use of land mines.
Will those land mines be armed with depleted uranium? One shudders to conjecture.

Thanks again,
th

How long before the sign (with a picture of Cartman) sez. "Screw you guys, I'm goin' home!"

-not soon enough, I wager.

The Lib Dems have one problem here- It's there next choice for President-Hillary Clinton. Hillary went on record for defending her vote to go to war and wants us to stay the course until mission accomplished. She's turning out to be a real right wing hawk on the war. Sorry Cindy Sheenan, sorry David Corn!!!

Well, I'm really very encouraged now that I've heard from Laura.

On "Good Morning America," the Stepford First Lady said:

"It's really remarkable how far they've come," she said, "but I really feel very, very encouraged that we're going to see a very great ending when we see a really free Iraq right in the heart of the Middle East."

Meanwhile, her husband, the hood ornament, broke no new ground today in his "stay the course" speech at Annapolis.

I am really, really tired of being insulted by those morons in the Cheney/Bush regime.

Gee Baf,
Hillary has the best of both worlds! She is supporting the president while not being the one who started this war. It is Bushes baby and to our (dems) advantage. Hope you don't mind a dem babe as your next commander and I mean commander! And I hope you still support this war in 2008.

Let's call the "insurgency" what it really is:

It is a bunch of pissed-off Iraqi citizens that have witnesses arbitrary "collateral damage" murder of their sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, aunts, uncles in the hands of a military operation that jusfifies lobing wayward bombs from the sky into their cities, towns, and neighborhoods.

Put yourself in their shoes. What would you do if your inocent family member died due to a wayward bullet or missile. How would anybody feel if their family member was victim to "collateral damage"... Would you file a complaint with the UN? Or would you take matters into your own hands.

Gil

My name is Lori Berenson. I am a New York born and raised political prisoner in Peru. I have spent many years in Central and South America, trying to contribute to the efforts of those who seek social justice for all. I continue this work from prison.

On November 30, 1995, I was pulled off of a public bus in Lima, Peru. Like thousands of Peruvians, I was detained by the anti-terrorist police, tried for treason by a hooded military tribunal under draconian anti-terrorism laws and condemned to life in prison.

Read the rest of Lori's statement on the 10th Anniversary of her arrest.

the only thing that will end this disaster is for Congress to cut off funding. the more our elected reps hear from us, the less likely they can continue to support-politically or financially-a failed policy and a failed president.

But David, didn't you hear they DID find the WMD'S! Newsmax said so! Check it out:

According to the Newsmax email (apparently it's on behalf of Human Events, another Republican rag, and they're pushing some new book that exposes the media's bias - uh huh), we learn that we've discovered in Iraq:
1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents

Chemical warheads containing cyclosarin (a nerve agent five times more deadly than sarin gas)

Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas

This is only a PARTIAL LIST of the horrific weapons verified to have been recovered in Iraq to date.
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It's only a matter of time until they uncover the nukes! And as for the saddamists trying to regain power, I read we are employing those very same forces to commit the very same atrocities. Bad when saddam abuses people, good when we do. 400 tons of DU used so far, that is considered a WMD, and it's being used against a civilian population, but then, that's just SOOO American!

Regarding: National Strategy for Victory in Iraq":

Bush and his puppeteers should consult the dictionary for the definition of STRATEGY, because they do not seem to understand the meaning. They do have some sort of "goal" but certainly not a strategy:

strat-e-gy:

1 a (1) : the science and art of employing the political, economic, psychological, and military forces of a nation or group of nations to afford the maximum support to adopted policies in peace or war (2) : the science and art of military command exercised to meet the enemy in combat under advantageous conditions b : a variety of or instance of the use of strategy
2 a : a careful plan or method : a clever stratagem b : the art of devising or employing plans or stratagems toward a goal

Regarding: National Strategy for Victory in Iraq":

Bush and his puppeteers should consult the dictionary for the definition of STRATEGY, because they do not seem to understand the meaning. They do have some sort of "goal" but certainly not a strategy:

strat-e-gy:

1 a (1) : the science and art of employing the political, economic, psychological, and military forces of a nation or group of nations to afford the maximum support to adopted policies in peace or war (2) : the science and art of military command exercised to meet the enemy in combat under advantageous conditions b : a variety of or instance of the use of strategy
2 a : a careful plan or method : a clever stratagem b : the art of devising or employing plans or stratagems toward a goal

David, I read you stuff for humor. Just one question, just what exactly is it that you stupid dumb fucks want. What will make you happy? Whne you answer those questions, you will understand that you are standing in a spew of the liberal minority of the american people. You keep saying that 60 percent of the people reject Bush. According to who? If you take a poll in the liberal spew then your numbers will be that of the liberal spew.

saladin

I guess chemical weapons, which Saddam has already used to kill millions of his own people don't count. No it's has to be that nuclear bomb in a silo. The Voelcer report said that Saddam was pursuing nuclear weapons and had the material to put one together after the UN inspectors stopped. It's sort of like you guy's need this visable picture of a nuke, like reading a book with all pictures because you can't concentrate on the finer details of words.

I am always bothered by the way Bush and Bush sympathizers constantly parade around this concept of "freedom" and a "free Iraq". They seem to be saying that since Saddam is out of power their natural inclination towards freedom is no longer oppressed. These routine door-to-door searches that sometimes bring important evidence but often do not, hardly support the concept of freedom. They are so culturally inappropriate that, alongside casualties of civillians, breeds incredible hatred. It is far from an "asalaam aleykum" (peace be on to you) that is the standard muslim way of greeting a person or party. Are we teaching these new Iraqi soldiers to act like the US soldiers, or are they being allowed to adapt such things to make them more culturally effective? With all said I have serious doubts, after living in a Muslim country for a few years, whether Iraqis would even seriously want a democracy.

DU weapons ARE nukes, and WE are the ones using it against civilians! What is it about that the bushbots fail to comprehend?? IDIOTS!!

New poll shows 70% of Americans believe that the negative comments by the Demorats (and you left wing cornuts) are hurting the morale of our troops and want it stopped!!! So in other words the American public is saying" Shut the F**k up!!"

The terrorists (I mean freedom fighters)
would like to thank you all personally by dedicating ther next beheading to all those cornuts that supported them through this ordeal.
They look forward to converting you into muslims and taking away womens rights(actually after reading Jeanne, Flan, Kathleen and Saladins comments that might not be a bad idea)and public executions. Happy Ramadan to all!!!

Thursday, November 24, 2005 Rescue efforts lead to arrest nightmare for N.O. businessman. Abdulrahman Zeitoun of New Orleans writes about his experiences rescuing storm victims, and about his arrest and ordeal on suspicion of terrorism and looting:

They brought us to the bus station. We saw lots and lots of military personnel with many different types of weapons/guns. They made us sit down and wait to be as they called it "processed". They took our fingerprints, and photos. They had us under maximum security. We did not know what was going on. There were guards from Angola and New York prisons that were running the bus station like a prison camp.

After processing us, they put us in a make shift chicken cage. Actually, it was the bus terminals that they turned into prison cells. It looked like a giant chicken cage. It was filthy dirty. They left us there for 3 days on this stinky, oily, filthy dirty floor. With no blankets or pillows. I swear, had we been in a prison in Afghanistan or Iraq, we would have been treated better. Somehow, I got a splinter the size of a tooth pick in my foot. It was the size of a tooth pick in width, and about half the length. It was getting infected, and caused me quite a bit of pain. I asked them if I could see a doctor. They refused me. Every day, I asked for a doctor. the splinter was lodged in my foot. I couldn't get it out. I saw a doctor helping other prisoners. I called out to him for help. He yelled at me in a very rude voice, that he was not a doctor. But he was a liar. He was a doctor. He was wearing green clothes, and he had a stethoscope. No one would help me.

On the third day I was in this hell hole, they fed us an MRE that came with a small glass bottle of Tabasco. I broke that bottle on that nasty floor, picked up a shard of glass, then cut my foot open where the splinter was. The skin had grown over the splinter. My foot was infected. So much puss came out. Very painfully, I managed to get the splinter out. I squeezed out as much pus as I could, and hoped for the best. We would ask the soldiers why we were here. One would say because of looting, another would say because of terrorism, and another would say something else. They were trying to stick us with whatever they could.
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This is unbelievable. This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan, it is right here in the back yard. You've got to read this man's account of his experience with the goon squads of N.O.

Demonize to Colonize
by Ramsey Clark
November 29, 2005

they don't comprehend because for them it is all about left v. right - if their 'side' does or sez something, then it must be supported and justified no matter what -

From the article linked by Robert.

At least 35 nations have WMDs in their military stockpiles, the U.S. more than all others combined. The U.S. is planning a new generation of nuclear weapons, tactical weapons that would have been used against Iraq if the U.S. had possessed them in 2003. The U.S. used 4,000 tons, or more, of depleted uranium, super bombs in attempts to assassinate Saddam Hussein and cluster bombs to savage anyone within a large area, usually urban, where they were dropped.
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Why is it that America is completely immune to the same rules and laws we try to force on the rest of the world? Why is it OK for us to poison , maim and destroy everything that gets in our way but never do we face the consequences of those actions? A hard rains gonna fall on us, and it will make Katrina look like a light shower.

From the article linked by Robert.

At least 35 nations have WMDs in their military stockpiles, the U.S. more than all others combined. The U.S. is planning a new generation of nuclear weapons, tactical weapons that would have been used against Iraq if the U.S. had possessed them in 2003. The U.S. used 4,000 tons, or more, of depleted uranium, super bombs in attempts to assassinate Saddam Hussein and cluster bombs to savage anyone within a large area, usually urban, where they were dropped.
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Why is it that America is completely immune to the same rules and laws we try to force on the rest of the world? Why is it OK for us to poison , maim and destroy everything that gets in our way but never do we face the consequences of those actions? A hard rains gonna fall on us, and it will make Katrina look like a light shower.

Pentagon, intel pros tell Bush war cannot be won
By DOUG THOMPSON
Nov 30, 2005, 06:42

While President George W. Bush tells the American people that U.S. troops must stay in Iraq until they have achieved victory, Pentagon planners and intelligence professionals tell the White House the war cannot be won.

The President's speech tonight will be a con-job, says a senior Pentagon analyst who asked not to be identified. He will be attempting to sell a strategy that is not achievable and one that is not backed by the professionals who tell him otherwise.
In fact, experts say Bush can no longer rally Americans to support his failed far in Iraq.

The American people have turned against the war, and they're not turning back, said political analyst Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia. The public is no longer with the President on this issue.
But opposition to the President's policies also grows in the private corridors of the Pentagon and in the intelligence community where professionals in the art of waging war say the battle for Iraq is lost.

It's over, says a longtime analyst for the Central Intelligence Agency. Tt's been over since we declared a victory we didn't achieve and claimed to have accomplished a mission that was unfinished.
Bitterness grows within the military and intelligence establishment over Bush's unwillingness to listen to reason on Iraq. Analysts called to the White House to provide intelligence briefings on the situation in Iraq dread the trip to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue where an honest assessment of the war brings anger and sharp rebukes from a President who doesn't like to hear bad news.

It's a no-win situation, says one longtime Pentagon operative. If we provide an honest assessment of the situation the President blows his stack. He ignores our recommendations and then blames us when things go wrong.
A record number of senior officials at both the Pentagon and CIA have left in recent months, saying they are unable to deal with what they call The imperial Presidency of George W. Bush.
Republicans also grow increasingly nervous over Bush's stubbornness on Iraq and know the growing public opposition to the war is killing them politically.

If elections for Congress were being held next Tuesday, Republicans would lose both houses. The GOP knows it, says Sabato.

Other feel opposition to the war will continue to grow and, with it, increased demands that the U.S. withdraw..

"No matter how the questions are phrased, all the polls have logged increases in pro-withdrawal sentiment over the course of the war," says John Mueller, an expert on war and public opinion, based at Ohio State University. And that sentiment is inextricably linked to the growing belief that the war itself has been a mistake."
That belief the war itself has been a mistake is one shared by a growing number of those whose job it is to wage war, the pros at the Pentagon and in the intelligence community and the same pros that George W. Bush ignored in his headlong march into a losing war in Iraq.
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Now, how many are listening to O'Lielly?

Unbelievable...Lynne Cheney was on the Diane Rehm show this morning. She is absolutely frightening. Another compulsive liar gone wild.

She says that she is interested in history. And then right in front of the public she actually said that her husband has never linked 9/11 to Iraq. Diane Rehm really challenged her on this. Lynne actually said she was insulted by Diane's questions.

Go listen to the one hour it is well worth it.

Make sure folks do not buy any history book she writes or interprets....she is willing to to revise history/fact right before your eyes.

Mrs. Evil/ American Enterprise Institute.... GONE WILD....

911 victims' families call for the resignation of Philip Zelikow

who is Philip Zelikow? executive director of the 911 commission.

Bush is a liar. His speeches are bait and switch. He says one thing but he means something else. Never, ever, believe anything that Bush says.

#269 from the previous blog uses my name. I did not post #269. If any post puts Bush in the positive light, that should sent up a red flag. Here is where I stand. I loathe Bush and his entire cabal. Bush and his family and his cabal are evil people, very evil people.

9/11 Commission Executive Director Philip Zelikow has deep, lasting ties to several members of both the Bush I and Bush II Administrations. Any one of these connections could have been deemed sufficient to eliminate Zelikow from consideration on the basis of non-independence. Consider:

Zelikow was an aide to Brent Scowcroft, National Security Advisor to George H.W. Bush;
Zelikow was part of the Bush II transition team and worked closely with Condoleeza Rice, George W. Bush's National Security Advisor. As advisor to Rice, Zelikow would sit in on high-level meetings on the terror threat in early 2001.
1999 Zelikow co-authored a book with Rice, entitled "Germany Unified and Europe Transformed: A Study in Statecraft".
Zelikow was appointed to President Bush's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board in the aftermath of 9/11.

"Politics is a good thing!" is the slogan of Dr. Larry J. Sabato. According to the Wall Street Journal, Dr. Sabato is "probably the most quoted college professor in the land," while the Washington Post called him "the Mark McGwire of political analysts," he is dubbed by Fox News Channel as "America's favorite political scientist,"[...]

David as usual you hit the nail on the head.

What continues to be alarming is how long it takes the MSM to report what is going on in Iraq. The Christian Peace Maker Team reported that there were death squad killings and kidnappings being conducted against Sunnis.. by people in Iraqi police uniforms taking place 6 months ago. They take their reports to the U.S. military , just as they did with detainee torture reports, before we ever heard about Abu Gharib in the MSM.

You might want to get on the CPT LIST of my friend Peggy Gish who is on her way back to Iraq for her 7th time. We receive weekly letters from her. The Christian Peace maker team is way ahead(generally during this war their reports are 3-6 months ahead of the MSM in regard to what is going on over there.

Be back on tonight. Thanks for all of the reading and research that people do.

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

Mr. baf, the liberal spew cannot keep you from seeing your local recruiter, or sending a good portion of your income direct to the Pentagon. They just can't!
Until you do something which indicates your support of the war is more than allegorical or metaphorical, can you blame me if I consider you full of hot air?
You can't just run your mouth, you've got to give Bush the fodder, men and money, he needs to continue his war. So why wait? If you act now you could be shakin' and bakin' and waterboardin' in just a few months!
Your refusal to supply Bush with the things needful to continue the war will bring the war to a halt faster than all the liberal spew in the country. So what are you waiting for? An engraved invitation?

Sorry Kathleen, I can't stand to even LOOK at those psychos, much less listen to the noxious poison they spew!

Just wait in a couple of weeks we will have another reason for being in Iraq, it is christmas and the unbleivers have to have santa claus or some such crap from the bushbots. DU is a WMD by the definition, White Phosphorus use against troops or civilians constitutes a violation of the rules of land warfare. Lots of little things to overlook when you are trying to impose a government on people that aren't even wanting to have our version of corportacracy shoved down their throat and when they resist, well it is those pesky terrorists that hate our freedom which by the way is eroded daily by the criminals in the white house. How many reasons has doofus given since he thought up this clusterfuck? If he had a clue he would take it out and play with it. Laura? She can't pass up the xanax bottle in order to put up with this clown, how does she know anything? Is she getting the PDB these days, those long words making georgie confused? If you believe any of the lies that spews from these clowns then you deserve the country you are getting. Wait until the first of January and watch the economy totter towards collapse, going to be fun to watch, enjoy your new lifestyle.

From that bastion of liberals, The Financial Times:

US paying Iraqi press to run favourable stories
By Mark Mazzetti and Borzou Daragahi
Published: November 30 2005 08:16 | Last updated: November 30 2005 08:16

As part of an information offensive in Iraq, the U.S. military is secretly paying Iraqi newspapers to publish stories written by American troops in an effort to burnish the image of the U.S. mission in Iraq.

The articles, written by U.S. military information operations troops, are translated into Arabic and placed in Baghdad newspapers with the help of a defense contractor, according to U.S. military officials and documents obtained by the Los Angeles Times.

Many of the articles are presented in the Iraqi press as unbiased news accounts written and reported by independent journalists. The stories trumpet the work of U.S. and Iraqi troops, denounce insurgents, and tout U.S.-led efforts to rebuild the country.

While the articles are basically truthful, they present only one side of events and omit information that might reflect poorly on the U.S. or Iraqi governments, officials said. Records and interviews indicate that the U.S. has paid Iraqi newspapers to run dozens of such articles -- with headlines such as Iraqis Insist on Living Despite Terrorism--- since the effort began this year.

The operation is designed to mask any connection with the U.S. military. The Pentagon has a contract with a small Washington-based firm called Lincoln Group, which helps translate and place the stories. The Lincoln Group's Iraqi staff, or its subcontractors, sometimes pose as freelance reporters or advertising executives when they deliver the stories to Baghdad media outlets.

Mooser #30

A good portion of my income does go to the Pentagon. This is because unlike lefties like you who are too lazy to work and want more welfare, I own my own business and pay alot of taxes. I problably even pay for your food stamps, health care, police, fire, housing and someone to change your diaper once a day. Maybe someday when your brain fully develops, you to could make a worth while contribution to society as well.

Chimpy does it again, select a forum of subordinates who agree with him and proceed to act like he cares. It is a weak attempt to silence his critics. Meanwhile nothing changes. We are led to believe he cares? Give it up chimpy, we see through your BS and refuse to accept it. World domination is the game not "spreading democracy". Maybe, just maybe, our represenatives will grow some stones and impeach the whole bunch for crimes against humanity, before it's too late. I'm with you Gerald, these yahoos ARE the embodiment of evil.

Is is a Christmas Tree or Holiday Tree to you people? I don't understand what the difference is. Have a Merry spending holiday, everybody! Isn't that what is really is all about?

One of the many tragedies of this war is the complete distrust that can now be felt concerning the White House and the president. There is no policy at this point, whether sincere or not which I believe. Nothing Bush says is to be believed. I have lost complete confidence in this White House. And just when I believe my assessment could go no lower this white house somehow manages to achieve the impossible they lower my assessment further.
The old line about Bush being the worst president ever is insignificant when you look at what bush and his administration is doing to the country and the world.
It isn't just me who feels this distrust. Whether people consciously realize the distrust or not it is there. We have no leadership.
Worst president, who cares?
Criminal, I care.

#34
Baf,
So, how much does a lemonade stand take in during the winter months?

jeanne # 38

Come on Jeanne, you can do better than that!! This is why you lefties are stuck in dead in jobs-you just can't think outside the box. Hell, I bet my kids could make more money than you lefties selling lemonade. But hen who going to pay to have your diapers changed?

More background on what Saladin posted above....from Editor & Publisher

Report: U.S. Planting Propaganda in Iraqi Press

"The military's information operations campaign has sparked a backlash among some senior military officers in Iraq and at the Pentagon who argue that attempts to subvert the news media could destroy the U.S. military's credibility in other nations and with the American public."

Looks like Cindy Sheenan has made the NYT worst seller list.

Cindy is very upset at the AP showing a picture of a dejected Cindy waiting for someone to show up so she could sign one of her books. Cindy says there were a least 100 people in Crawford to protest and she made a whopping $2,000 on her book signing. Wow! that peace movement is just rolling along at warp speed!!! Where's Martin Sheen when you need him? Is her 15 minutes of fame up or is the public just sick of all those 1960's rejects?

The Lincoln Group, formed in 1999, is "a D.C.-based business 'intelligence' company that handles services from 'political campaign intelligence' to commercial real estate in Iraq."

The Lincoln Group is the outfit planting the stories in Iraq news outlets. Great. Fascism brought to a Middle East country courtesy of the busheviks. Oh, wait. Democracy is right around the corner....

"Lincoln is working with US and overseas corporations and organizations to develop an in-country capability in Baghdad and Basra. Located both at the center of power and the commercial gateway of the country, Lincoln will act as a central clearinghouse for businesses seeking to do business in Iraq. Lincoln will provide the information, research, and contacts necessary to develop and grow business within the country. Lincoln will also provide a threat and risk assessment service through its ASP service, allowing clients to understand and mitigate the perceived security risk and dangers present in country."

Baf's name is missing a character, it should read B-A-R-F. which is precisely what one does after being poisoned by their BS.

Justifying your hatred of fellow Americans based on your income level is ignorance run amok. There is no correlation between income and morality, honesty OR integrity, 3 qualities which you completely lack. You have degraded women in your comments, you have attacked fellow Americans with different viewpoints on the roles of Government, and you have embarassed yourself thoroughly.

Keep rehearsing those GOP talking points, the more you repeat the mantra, the more believable the lie becomes.

Ignorance is bliss.

Ignorance isn't bliss...it's bizniss as usual.

These fascists are everywhere...Christian Bailey, a corporate officer at the Lincoln Group, is also affiliated with Lead21.org -- they are part of the effort working night and day for a one-party fascist system in the United States, IMO.
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"Since its inception in Fall 2001, Lead21 has been doing its part to cultivate the next generation of business leaders committed to building a dynamic future for the Republican Party."; Christian Bailey is a member of the Board of Directors (http://www.lead21.org/page4.html).

It is amazing to me the utter refusal of the left, the right, and the media in general to acknowledge the existence of PNAC, who its members are, and the following statements which layout the desires of the 'cabal' that is ruining our country:

"From an American perspective, the value of such bases would endure even should Saddam pass from the scene. Over the long term, Iran may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests in the Gulf as Iraq has. And even should U.S.-Iranian relations improve, retaining forward-based forces in the region would still be an essential element in U.S. security strategy given the longstanding American interests in the region.

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

If PNAC's stated goals are not brought to the forefront we will continue to miss the larger stated goals of this administration. The left will be appeased through limited troop withdrawals, and this administration will continue to stay in power.

Proving that not only were we lied to about Iraq 'intelligence', but that it was part of a larger stated plan by this administration is imperative.

The Bush administration was not surprised on 9/11, not caught off guard or scrambling, but responded immediately with the intent to go into Iraq, not Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, but Iraq. They were not surprised on 9/11, because it was a necessary part of their larger stated plans.

And in two years, when Iraq is a non-issue, and fully engaged with a democratic country supporting the war on terror, you corrnuts will simply forget all this disrespectfully unamerican cowardly language you use now, and move on to the next trashing.

It would not matter how detailed Bush gets, you all would simply find it inadquate.

The Iraq war is a necessary, noble and soon to be won battle in the war on terror.

"Those who can not see the hand of god in this, are blind sir blind". TJ Jackson, valley campaign, 1862

What James said!

Winston Smith imagined his nation's forces sweeping into the enemy continent, a classic propaganda movie with cartoon arrows indicating the direction of troop movement. Everything is going well and it is all for a good cause. I love Big Brother. If it were somehow possible to meld the mind of the state with my own, so that my thoughts would be entirely those of the state, I would do it. I have no desire to think for myself, to explore the world outside the boundaries set by Big Brother. I know my nation is flawless, a shining beacon unto all, and I am but an instrument of this great entity. I do its bidding without haste or question, because I love Big Brother.

micki, it appears this administration has a full blown ministry of propaganda to quell the masses. But it's starting to look like the masses are becoming restless.

And when you see, in time, the over-flow effect, of building that democracy, that will lead to a victory on the war on terror, the sedation of militant Islam, you will ignore it, and go on to the next trashing.

GIVE IT UP, you lost in 04, and that aint going change. Hero Bush will protect your ungrateful butts, undeservably so.

You are correct, no matter what Bush says, it wont matter to the cornnuts, you all are locked into bashing mentality, and that is a waste.

Fortunately, Bush is in charge, victory will be our, while most Americans understand the need for victory there, as part of the war on terror.

But keep it up, I am still looking for someone to convince that the war on terror should be a criminal prosecution, rather than the global clash of cultures.

Any takers? Didnt think so.

Shallow, empty, lacking in vision, cry-baby, wanting for a better plan, and can only smear, is the hallmark of a cornnut.

mookie, if you read the story I posted about the N.O. hero turned looter/terrorist by the goon squads, you will have a very good idea of how close big brother really is. Add to that the FL. ACLU has declared that bands of roaming storm troopers staging mock exercises at banks, malls, on busses and trains, threatening people in any and all public places with automatic weapons designed to harrass and frighten everyone is in no way a violation of anyone's rights, that it is just what the constitution had in mind for our police force, so says the ACLU. Welcome to 1984.

With that kind of protection Derrick we'll all be speaking arabic by the next election cycle.

How well did that idiot protect the WTC or the Pentagon?

Or is there more to the text of My Pet Goat that I am missing?

And that's a kinder, gentler, oops; I mean compassionate conservative jackboot on yer neck.

Israel imported twenty tonnes of Norwegian heavy water in 1959, pledging peaceful use and on-site inspection. This past March, Norway finally requested inspection after repeated reports that Israel was making atomic bombs. A week or so ago, Israel turned Norway down. Israel said it was too difficult to distinguish Norway's heavy water from other heavy water it had imported, and thus Norway's water couldn't be tracked. Israel refused to say who the other exporters were.

Israel has thus set a precedent. It has become the first country in history to break the inspection pledge on a nuclear import.

Now, Norway must decide what to do. It should keep the following facts in mind:

Heavy water in tonne quantities is used only in reactors. There is only one reactor in Israel that uses heavy water, the one at Dimona. It was built secretly by France in the late 1950s and started in 1963. It is Israel's only source of plutonium, a nuclear weapon material. The CIA says Israel has been building atomic bombs with plutonium since 1968.

In 1963 when Dimona started, there were only two sources of heavy water in the world: the United States and Norway. France and Canada planned to produce heavy water, but French production did not begin until 1968, and Canada was a heavy water importer until the late 1970s. Israel produced heavy water only in laboratory quantities. Therefore, it was physically impossible to start Dimona without U.S. or Norwegian heavy water.

Israel imported four tonnes of U.S. heavy water in 1963, under inspection. It has imported none since. This was not enough to start Dimona, which required at least eighteen tonnes. Therefore, most of Dimona's water had to be Norwegian.

Canada has never exported any heavy water to Israel.

By 1968, when France began to make its own heavy water, France required inspection of all its nuclear exports. There is no French heavy water under inspection in Israel. Thus, France never sent Israel any French heavy water.

Therefore all the heavy water Israel has ever imported has come from Norway except the four tonnes from the United States. This means that there is no factual basis for Israel's claim that it received heavy water from diverse sources, or that it cannot identify Norway's heavy water.

When heavy water is irradiated in a reactor, tritium is formed in it. The tritium cannot be totally removed. Thus, it is possible to determine with certainty whether Norway's heavy water has been in a reactor.

If Norway's water has been in a reactor -- which could only be Dimona -- Norway has the right to inspect any plutonium the reactor makes to insure that it has not been put into bombs. This right was given by the 1959 agreement.

Reactors such as Dimona only lose about .5% of their heavy water each year. This means that if Norway's water went into Dimona -- which is inevitable -- about eighty percent of it is still there after twenty four years of operation.

What do these facts show? At least, they show Israel's response for what it is: a fabrication. Israel knows precisely how much heavy water it got from Norway, where the heavy water is, and what has been done with it. Israel also knows what it did with the heavy water it got from the United States. Israel's refusal to account for what happened to the water has no basis. It is a clear breach of the 1959 agreement and entitles Norway to remedies.

The agreement says explicitly that Norway can get its heavy water back if Israel refuses inspection. Retrieving heavy water is simple -- it is shipped in barrels. Its loss to Israel would probably shut down the Dimona reactor, the key to Israel's nuclear weapon program.

Should Norway demand its water back? If it doesn't, it must watch helplessly while Israel uses it to make atomic bombs. If it does, it will take a stand that other suppliers must support. The entire world nuclear trade is based on the assumption that importers will not break the inspection pledge. If countries could import nuclear materials under the pledge, and then break it, the nuclear supplier countries would simply be selling bomb factories. Not even the United States could endorse such a breach. If Norway wanted to, it could embarrass Israel and isolate it diplomatically.
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This is from an article written in 1987 by Gary Milhollin for the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms control. Seems Israel's motto is "do as we say, not as we do."

"Shallow, empty, lacking in vision, cry-baby, wanting for a better plan, and can only smear, is the hallmark of a cornnut."

"you corrnuts will simply forget all this disrespectfully unamerican cowardly language you use now, and move on to the next trashing. "

"it wont matter to the cornnuts, you all are locked into bashing mentality,"

wow, the hypocrisy just drips out of every sentence you spew forth.

When somoene can't handle opposing viewpoints in a rational manner and is forced to spew hatred verbally, they lost their "battle" long before it began.

terrorism is a law enforcement issue, they commit crimes, which require punsishment. Terrorism is a tactic of those who feel they have no political voice.

IF we quit elevating Osama bin Laden with our own words, and simply pointed out to the world that he is a cowardly criminal in need of being brought to justice we might have convinced those who protect and harbor him into giving him up. Instead, we launched missilies into the homes of inncocents and parents watched their children burn before their very eyes. That hardly convinced them of the justness of our casue, now did it?

Here's a history lesson for you.

We terrorized the Brittish into giving us our country, when that failed, we leaned on the French for help, after we terrorized the Native American Indians into giving up their lands, of course.

j dub #43

I don't degrade women, as Hajji would say- just ignorant sluts. I can repeat what Hajji said, right?

Not to worry in the next twenty years India and China will be the financial powerhouses, and the americans will be lucky to have food and a roof over their heads, they will finally learn the meaning of third world economy, gone are the days of easy credit and wal mart shopping, yup, just wait and enjoy your new lifestyle as your jobs and kids are sent overseas to feed the corpotocracy that is in charge, shrub is a sock puppet and the bush bots no better than sad followers of their own demise. What can you expect with public school education and when they learn to spell and actually construct a cogent argument then they may have some place in the discussion. Until then they are background noise to the real issues. Distraction is a repug tactic. Get ready, change is coming.

j dub #50

I was just reading your post and thought it was a press release from the DNC (it was the shallow, hallow, lacking vision part)You were actually starting to make sense and then you had to go and add your own thoughts, it went all to hell from there. Maybe we could give the Iraqi's some good old fashioned tax free Gambling Casino's to get even. Seems to be working well for the terrorised American Indians.

BARF--at least I can see the zits on my own face (metaphor for our nation's history) and call them zits.

It doesn't make me a hater of our country to admit that the tactics under which it was founded would be called terrorism by our current leaders.

And I don't have to call you names to expose your BS, you do it quite well on your own.

J-dub, you're leaving crumbs out for the cockroaches!

WTF, I found this great idea for a Christmas gift for the kiddies. A great way to prepare them for their very near future!

Apocalyptic Video Game Features Global Government Takeover

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet | November 30 2005

A new video game now available for X Box and PC depicts an apocalyptic vision of America after the year 2008 where terror attacks carried out by anti-government militias force the European Union to send in an occupying army.

Shattered Union has the player take control of one of seven different warring factions. After a dictator is installed as president in 2008, society gradually collapses into anarchy with a series of terror attacks carried out by domestic militia groups against the government. The result of this chaos is that the EU votes to occupy the United States with a 'peacekeeping force' which is strongly resisted by the population. Civil war ensues in the following years, including a nuclear strike on Washington DC.

We have reported multiple times on similar video games released that portray 'Patriots' and anti-government groups as terrorists who need to be eliminated.

This leaves the very strong impression that when all hell breaks loose it will be 'anti-government insurgents' carrying out terrorist attacks. In reality the real face of terror is always state sponsored as we have endlessly documented on this website.

However, the game depicts scenes of martial law with troops pointing guns at American citizens' heads. The player can enlist the help of the national guard or the Russians to quell the dissent. To a new generation of youngsters growing up on these video games what does that teach them? That a domestic military dictatorship is inevitable and that anti-government terrorists will have to be dealt with by using extreme force?

Last week we featured a short article about the game Battlefield 2, where players "fight for the new world order" in battling against domestic insurgents. These types of games have become part of a growing trend in the last few years and one that should worry us in light of the fact that MTV, movie and sports stars, video games and popular culture have all but replaced parents as the guardian of a child's moral compass.

Although the different factions are at war with each other and the EU occupation, the website sardonically describes the anti-EU Texas Republic faction as, "beer swilling cowboys" and a "gun toting rabble," and remarks that "the Republic of Texas was just one excuse away from existing since the formation of Texas itself."

Video games of this nature are conditioning a generation to believe that when bedlam breaks loose, martial law is the solution and that anti-government groups are terrorists hell bent on destruction.
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I'm sure the drooling bushbots will give their frenzied approval! Get 'em while they're young.

j dub

As I posted ealier, 70% of the American public does think you're a hater along with the incompentant Dems in Congress and you're putting our troops in harms way- yes you-not Bush!! So how does it feel getting our troops killed or mamed because of your hate?

#35 DEN, I do not feel good calling someone evil but if we study Bush's life behavior, the pattern is one of evil deeds.

#40 micki, my wife mentioned your post to me this morning.

Saladin, micki, and DEN, Bush's cabal sends forth stories of butterflies and flowers. Life must be wonderful on Cherry Blossom Lane for all Americans and Iraqis.

Dont you just love REID-D(NV), with his "same old" line "same old line" that he used to attach Bush. Curiously, he has not the balls, like most cornnuts, and wont give us HIS PLAN. All he (you) can do is degrade, without any constructive input, with no vision with no an alternative course or plan, other than Murdhul's Surrender Idea. At least Murdhal showed his ture colors (white), whereas REID wont even put up a flag.

Get it? Didnt think so.

Come on gang, give me something you would do different?? Any thinkers in here? Surrender is an option of course, but you all wont admit to your cowardness that is what you all want, to hide in your cave and hope the boggie man wont terrorize you next, otherwise, you provide YOUR PLAN. If you all dont have a PLAN, how can you even be credible (REID) to attack the president plan, which is not difficult to figure out, Political(democracy)-Economical(infrastrutucre rebuilding-Military(standdown standup)

Why would Liberman (D) CT, say, from four actual visits there, there is a plan, and it is working. He of course was my fav dem in 04, but you all picked the peace-guy at a time of war, as really stupid, I will never figure that one out.

COME ON, lets here your alternative plan ....

Got one? didnt think so

All ya do is smear smear smear and slap each other on the back for it, having absolutely no positive discussions or constructive input.

Why are you cornnuts so depleted of any individual contructive input to FUTURE course of action? (Because David has trained you to only look backward and smear, kinda like a fag, learned decadent behavior)

OK FAGs, give it up, repent your sins, and join the FUTURE, and provide a constructive course of action?

Anyone????? didnt think so

SALADIN--sorry, my bad, I should know better than to feed the trolls.

It's just too much fun watching them rant and rave for page after page saying absolutely nothing of consequence.

They namecall, they lie, they refuse to debate or listen to reason or treat others with respect.

They certainly don't do unto others as they would have others do unto them.

does that mean they are anti-Jesus and hate the Lord, because according to their logic, they do.

#63 Saladin, do you recall in one of my posts that the USA will expand departments by at least five cabinet positions and one of the departments will involve boot camp for boys and girls. The reason is to have a never ending flow of bodies to be killed for the Bush wars.

Can a Third Party Save Us From a Neocon Doom?
Robert Schumacher

There are clearly two distinct entities within the GOP today, that of the neocons, and that of the conservative nationalists. These two entities cannot logically exist in the same party for long –†it's like a mixture of oil and water and will separate on its own once the bottle stops shaking. So what is constantly shaking the bottle into confusion? Entities such as Fox News Corp, Rush Limbaugh, and other mass media outlets are how this is done. In frightening lockstep with one another, the major media players of the western world have all seemingly agreed to support the neocons, no matter how false or bloody their polices become. It is difficult to find anyone willing to challenge the policies of this administration in the mainstream media. Events and news all seem to be following the same script handed down from on high, all of it promoting the dastardly policies of men and women who desire to change the order of the world. Their "New order" would remove the power of destiny from the people of all free nations, and lock it away into hidden, unelectable, and unaccountable power combinations of industry and finance. These people have been trying to fool all of the people all of the time, and of course, this cannot be done for long.

Neoconservatism is a parasite that latched onto the Republican party, grew inwardly, and came to lodge itself at its head. Neocons attempted to force the GOP power base into doing its bidding, so long as the GOP voters are willing to accept their manipulations. How often do you hear the neocons in the Bush administration say: We had a clear mandate from the people to invade Iraq. . .or pass the patriot act. . .or whatever demonic villainy has gone on in the filthy god-forsaken pits of torture and abuse that "enemy combatants" have disappeared into for YEARS. It is inevitable that this ruse fall apart, and with it may come a major fracture in the republican party. It is an earthquake that may change the face of the American political landscape forever, and allow us to sweep away these years of neocon corruption and terror that has stained our name across the whole world.
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Like I said, evil demons from outer space, using that cookbook Robert mentioned! This is a very good article.

With that kind of protection Derrick we'll all be speaking arabic by the next election cycle.
How well did that idiot protect the WTC or the Pentagon?

Not very well in my book, but I lay most of the blame on Dem for cutting intel budget over last 15 years. But, Bush has to take responsibility for it as it occur on his watch, those in was in his first year. I am not giving Bush a pass on this, but would not go so far as you corrnut and call him a murderer, terrorist, etc, as is your extreme wants, but rather look at things in a balanced way, aportioning blame reasonably, but you all are not reasonably, so there ya go.

Gerald, isn't that known as the JROTC? Maybe they decided that video games would be more effective at brain washing.

They namecall, they lie, they refuse to debate or listen to reason or treat others with respect.

OK J-Dub, with civlity, lets engage.

What would you do different than what Bush is doing in Iraq.

What is your plan, if any, for border control.?

What is your plan, if any, to reduce dificits?

Be civil, I want to engage new ideas, and have a reason for being here.

Cabinet Positions

I have stated in previous posts that the repugnants will remain in office through the 21st century. Repugnants are known for expanding government and taxing the middle class. Here are the next cabinet positions within the next three to five years -- Department of Prostitution, Department of Cultivation, Department of Plowfields, Department of Military Boot Camp, and the Department of Stabilization of Military Forces.

Let me start with the Department of Cultivation. This department will oversee pregnancies that will be terminated at certain time periods in the woman's womb. Fetus body parts are worth between $4,000 and 7,000. The pregnancy would be aborted after 8, 12, 16 weeks, etc. for certain fetus body parts, such as a limb, skin, retina, heart, brain, gonads, etc. With more and more people being added to the poor class people will have to supplement their wages and this will be a perfect way to add money for them. With cuts in welfare and food stamps women will need more money.

The Department of Plowfields is for women who are citizens, legal, or illegal immigrants. Certain women will be designated for pregnancy duty or military duty. The embryonic stem cells will be implanted in the womb of the women for full term pregnancy. Babies born under this department will be contracted for military services. The woman will give up her baby at the age of twelve.

At age twelve the young boy or girl will enter military boot camp. These children will be property of the Department of Military Boot Camp. Schooling will continue but courses will be slanted toward military terminology, such Body Dismemberment 101, Grenades 201, Advanced Body Dismemberment 401, Killing 151, Advanced Killing 451, Torture 110, etc. By the time these twelve years old children are eighteen they will truly be lean, mean, fighting machines. Reinstatement of the military draft will be unnecessary.

At fighting age the men and women will be part of the Department of Stabilization of Military Forces. This department will have the numbers where these men and women can be deployed for military duty to fight in the Bush family's endless wars. There will always be a known number of troops for war which can be ready to expand America's evil empire.

Many of the men and women who are members of the new military armed services will not be permitted to marry. There needs like sex will be satisfied through the Department of Prostitution. Men and women in this department will be recruited as prostitutes to satisfy the needs of our new military armed services. These men and women will also supplement their salaries as military prostitutes. Male prostitutes will be available to impregnate any woman who wants her child to be part of the Department of Plowfields. There is a saying that the military marches on its stomach. Let us not forget the sex is also a powerful motivator. A person with more medals can have more sex partners to satisfy their needs.

These new departments will help make America ready for endless wars. People who will be involved in these departments will know ahead of time what their function and duties will be. Men and women in the new military armed services will have an out date of sixty-eight years of age. There will always be an army in waiting to fight the endless Bush family wars.

Brock (aka DMR), your spelling has deterioriated! In fact, it is atrocious! For claiming to be a member of mensa, you sure make yourself look stooooooooopid.

(PS sorry, Saladin, I couldn't resist. I promise I won't say anything to him again.)

mikie, is that it? You can only slam?

A lefty friend of mine said you all needed an education, but it seems youre locked in.
Well, I guess that says it all.
You all HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER, only degrading smears.

M,

I did jump into David Corn, but found that the cornnuts can only smear based on speculation and conjecture and biased interpretation. Telling is of course that when I ask for there FUTURE course of action, I get a blank. So I am done with these useless vermen.

D

It's kinda like getting on an elevator as someone, smiling slyly, gets off... Only after the doors close and you breath in do you realize that the guy that got off before you was smiling with relief...

-T

Hey Gerald that's been done before, it was called Nazis, Hitler youth, Gestapo, and the memorable SS, of course this time it would be different names but fascist controlled by the self proclaimed saviors of the world.

It's good to see David's fan club has grown to 9 or 10 ten now with J Dub. I'm sure Davids excited. Why are only the women on this site willing to debate us mean neo-cons? I guess Robert S, Capt, Hajji, Dewp, Den and whoever else needs their women to fight for them. That's OK, except I think I am starting to hurt their feelings and I feel bad now. Can't one of you guy's step up to the plate and help out your friends here?

Ok, I admit, Bush lied. But it was for our own good! When it helps us to fight against terrorists, because you lefties fail to see a clear and present danger, then it's worth it! Clinton lied about a b/j and you certainly didn't MIND then! What's a few thousand soldier's deaths to a noble cause? Iraqi citizens??... those are just ragheads anyway. Who gives a shit?!! Bush is doing God's work and you should be praying for his success instead of being the traitors all of you are. Everybody lies, including me, so what's the big deal?

On the Lighter Side

The sole purpose of a child's middle name is so he can tell when he's really in trouble.

I've learned that we are responsible for what we do, unless we are celebrities.

Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes.

I've learned that money doesn't buy class.

No one is perfect until you fall in love with them.

Opportunities are never lost; someone will take the ones you miss.

Nice try # 80

I ask for a man to step up to the plate and I get someone pretending to be a man. I know you trolls are afraid of me but come on, try something new at least!

#78 DEN, do you realize how far and hard Bush and his cabal are emulating Hitler and the Nazis? Yes, DEN, history does repeat itself. I wonder what America will follow up with in the 22nd century?

Looks like MoveOn.Org has been spanked for lying once again. It has decided to pull it's ad after mounting pressure. Only after being caught in yet another desperate attempt to trash the troops! Whoops!!

One fart bag gets off the elevator and another
gets on. Doesn't smell any different in here.

Haji, you will never get rid of the trolls, they sit around the computer, and while high on crack or whatever think they have intelligence. Please, let's move on. Think ahead of the current paradigm, we better figure out what is next. Instead of letting the liars and theives dictate the debate let's get ahead of them and figure out the next big idea that needs to be put forth. Pushing for america to be the great country is started out to be is great, but there needs to be something done about the education level in this country. Hell half of the trolls can't even spell nor form a correct sentence. What's up with that? They still think they have something going on with shrub, hell he is queer so are they. So let them have each other, bothers me not. If this country is going to compete against the chinese and the indians we better get our game on. Othewise we are distracted from the real threat and danger to our way of life. Mainly falling income and a failed economy. The next twenty five years will show whether we are going to stay a world power or be a footnote to history. If we don't get some leadership, real leadership we are doomed to be a failed country and just struggle to gain our place in the world. All the signs are there, stupid population and lack of innovation in our country. Letting our jobs be outsourced to other countries and benefitting the rich. The plight of the common man is our plight. If we don't get our act together it is over with. Look at history, something trolls know nothing about, and the empires and large powers all pass into history, how we do it is the mark of a great civilization. Right now we have a clown in charge so we are all seen as clowns, we need a real statesman, visionary to be in charge, and we don't have it with the current crop of hack politicians. Doomed I tell you, but hey , enjoy the new lifestyle. We have earned it.

Why are you cornnuts so depleted of any individual contructive input to FUTURE course of action? (Because David has trained you to only look backward and smear,....)

because failing to look back means acceptance of what has occurred....I, for one, refuse to sanction lies, distortions, exploitation, or even mistakes made for the sake of profit

kind of pointless to promote better education when we're up against this

If it weren't such a serious subject, I would be laughing at the challenges to "give me a future course of action" by certain (im)posters here.

One really tragic thing is that the so-called leader of the free world -- that would be GWB -- is much more interested in defusing the growing opposition to his war of choice, than he is to laying out a real plan of action for Iraqi sovereignty. Bush and his boyfriends are not facing the demonstrated fact that their war has made Iraq a breeding ground for terrorism.

I wonder if the busheviks will address the fact that the Iraqis who attended the recent meeting in Cairo said THEY want a timeline to end the U.S. occupation of Iraq? It is THEIR country, isn't it?

Today bush trotted out the same tired rhetoric about *freedom* to justify his continued occupation of Iraq. He did not offer a plan. He didn't offer solutions. As each day passes, the U.S. occupation is seen more as being oppressive than as a stepping-stone to freedom.

In one breath, bush hints at troop reductions, then backs off with more "stay the course" bullshit. If his handlers decide to lower the number of U.S. troops, in tandem with more air power -- shock and awe again? -- there will likely be more Iraqis killed. Is bush's plan as "simple" as thinking that the fewer U.S. troops killed, the more palatable his war becomes to Americans?

Looks to me, that that is possibly bush's "strategery" for *success* in Iraq. What a loser.

confidence: land of the free and home to the confident...errr, close enough

haha watch this short one

james wa

I for one, refuse to sanction lies , distortions, exploitation, or even mistakes made for the sake of profit

You're talkng about MoveOn.Org, right?

james wa

I for one, refuse to sanction lies , distortions, exploitation, or even mistakes made for the sake of profit

You're talkng about MoveOn.Org, right?

The Iraq war is a necessary, noble and soon to be won battle in the war on terror.

--Derrick Michael Reid

micki

Whats your brillant stragegy for success in Iraq? How about it, can you give us bushivics some insight into your intellect?

dammmit man, I'm shocked! The banner Doofus had up today doesn't jive with the one from the aircraft carrier. Surely he wasn't lying then, just mistaken and relying on bad intelligence. I'm beginning to think we can't trust our president with anything he says.
beginning?? hahahahahaha

Israel has become the first country in history to break the inspection pledge on a nuclear import.

Anyone care to guess why is speeches nowdays are early in the morning? I mean, we know why they're always at military bases, but why so early? Think maybe they know to 'let him out there' before he takes his first shot of the day?
Think he's a Jack Daniels guy, or a girlie-man with the scotch 'n water? *burp*

*his

Baf wrote:"As I posted ealier, 70% of the American public does think you're a hater along with the incompentant Dems in Congress and you're putting our troops in harms way- yes you-not Bush!! So how does it feel getting our troops killed or mamed because of your hate?"

Barf...I mean Baf,

You do realize this BS you regurgitate is filth you pulled from Rush Limbaugh'a site. If you want some real credibility around here, try not quoting from a f**king cokehead.

"Everybody lies, including me, so what's the big deal?"

Then take your ass over to Iraq and die for this lie...And take your messiahs (Rush and Hannity) over there with you, since their babble is gospel to you.

Howard Dean sucks up to the spies at AIPAC

AIPAC should be the kiss of death to US politicians by now, but they still take the free trips to Israel, and whatever the heck happens to them while they are there then come back fanatics in service to a foreign government.

You know how W really knows that there are WMD's in Iraq? His Daddy kept the receipts.

freeourtroops

Sorry dude, I don't listen to Rush Limbah-glad to see that you do - you might learn something!! Although, I think your messiah David Cornhole might not be to happy to here that.

As far as the 70% figure, this comes from a poll run over the weekend from RT Strategies. If you would do a little research instead of listening to hannity and rush, this might help. Just a suggestion.

#85 Hajji, I like your post!

Perfume

We need to lighten up. The neocons are pissed because the do not have all the money only 90% of it. The fundamentalists are pissed because the end time and rapture has not occurred with our planet being blown up by a nuclear holocaust. True American patriots are pissed because they see America goose stepping herself into hell.

This story is my favorite story that reminds me of American Nazis, especially rich American Nazis.

A little old lady is riding the elevator in a very lavish New York City Office Building.

A young and beautiful Nazi woman gets into the elevator and smelling like an expensive perfume turns to the little old lady and says arrogantly, "Giorgio Beverly Hills, $100 an ounce!"

The next young and beautiful Nazi woman gets on the elevator and also very arrogantly turns to the little old lady and says, "Chanel No. 5, $150 an ounce!"

About three floors later, the little old lady has reached her floor and is about to get off the elevator. Before she leaves, she looks sideways at both beautiful women in their eyes and bends over and farts. She says to them, "Broccoli - 59 cents a pound!"

freeourtroops

"Take your ass to Iraq and die for this lie"

I have family and friends that are over there-dickhead!! I want them to come home safe unlike pukes like you that get a hard on every time a body bag comes home.

#101 Steve, you are right! Daddy does have the receipts.

WTF, this country needs to get back to the basics. Capitalism is not the problem, the problem is the capitalists controlling the government. The lobbyists must GO. Abramoff is the tip of the iceberg, theres plenty more where he came from, they just haven't been indicted yet. With the lobbyists out of the way our elected officials could work for the people for a change. Next limit the war powers of the President for obvious reasons. He always should answer to the people through congress, it being the lawmaking portion of this government. Next stop the 51% majority vote in all elections and change it to a 2/3rds which would be 60% it better reflects a true majority. Adjust tax rates for corporations to 30% of gross profits with cuts given for corporations sponsoring education and caring for the infirmed and disabled and those without medical insurance providing of course the contributions can be proven. Return the voting system to paper ballots which would be hand counted by local election branches and hand delivered to state office for verification of accuracy, then each state would submit the ballots to a federal agency for the final count. All this while under the watchfull eye of voter advocates. Eliminate the Electoral College,it does not work. Once we have established the government "for the people" a constitutional review should take place and a review of amendments as to their practicality and useability, all amendments for the benefit of corporations should be removed as the original purpose for it was for the use of the people. Encourage voting by providing a substantial deduction for people that did vote through tax deductions. Require the government to anually balance the budget. Enhance the border surveillance using available technology and manpower to insure we are protected from terrorists. The best offense is a good defense. this world is full of people that would love to see us suffer for our liberty. Eliminate any religious influence in ANY government organization to prevent fringe groups from the political process. There are so many different religions it is impractical to include their rules in the government. Best to ensure peoples religious freedom at home and their chosen place of worship. Eliminate all but a few nuclear weapons and cease production of spent uranium ammunition. Increase our presence in the diplomatic process of other countries and support those who wish for peace. We must admit that we cannot stand alone, we are all on the same planet together and it is imperitive we address that issue with others to ensure clean air and water for all. We must be responsible citizens and corporations and produce products from recycleable materials, then recycle. Reduce dependence on foreign products, set a maximum of 30% imported products annually and once again produce our own goods. People must accept responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming others as in tort reform. Make corporations that build faulty products responsible for what they build, shoddy workmansip is not acceptable. Take care of farmers who grow our food because without them we would starve. Require educators to meet criteria that would result in a better educated populous that could read write and do math and more. That is my opinion on what might make this country work a bit better, course nothing here is carved in stone and is modifyable but I think it might help. OK trolls have at it, pick it apart, disect it, do whatever floats your boat just don't expect me to respond.

WTF, this country needs to get back to the basics. Capitalism is not the problem, the problem is the capitalists controlling the government. The lobbyists must GO. Abramoff is the tip of the iceberg, theres plenty more where he came from, they just haven't been indicted yet. With the lobbyists out of the way our elected officials could work for the people for a change. Next limit the war powers of the President for obvious reasons. He always should answer to the people through congress, it being the lawmaking portion of this government. Next stop the 51% majority vote in all elections and change it to a 2/3rds which would be 60% it better reflects a true majority. Adjust tax rates for corporations to 30% of gross profits with cuts given for corporations sponsoring education and caring for the infirmed and disabled and those without medical insurance providing of course the contributions can be proven. Return the voting system to paper ballots which would be hand counted by local election branches and hand delivered to state office for verification of accuracy, then each state would submit the ballots to a federal agency for the final count. All this while under the watchfull eye of voter advocates. Eliminate the Electoral College,it does not work. Once we have established the government "for the people" a constitutional review should take place and a review of amendments as to their practicality and useability, all amendments for the benefit of corporations should be removed as the original purpose for it was for the use of the people. Encourage voting by providing a substantial deduction for people that did vote through tax deductions. Require the government to anually balance the budget. Enhance the border surveillance using available technology and manpower to insure we are protected from terrorists. The best offense is a good defense. this world is full of people that would love to see us suffer for our liberty. Eliminate any religious influence in ANY government organization to prevent fringe groups from the political process. There are so many different religions it is impractical to include their rules in the government. Best to ensure peoples religious freedom at home and their chosen place of worship. Eliminate all but a few nuclear weapons and cease production of spent uranium ammunition. Increase our presence in the diplomatic process of other countries and support those who wish for peace. We must admit that we cannot stand alone, we are all on the same planet together and it is imperitive we address that issue with others to ensure clean air and water for all. We must be responsible citizens and corporations and produce products from recycleable materials, then recycle. Reduce dependence on foreign products, set a maximum of 30% imported products annually and once again produce our own goods. People must accept responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming others as in tort reform. Make corporations that build faulty products responsible for what they build, shoddy workmansip is not acceptable. Take care of farmers who grow our food because without them we would starve. Require educators to meet criteria that would result in a better educated populous that could read write and do math and more. That is my opinion on what might make this country work a bit better, course nothing here is carved in stone and is modifyable but I think it might help. OK trolls have at it, pick it apart, disect it, do whatever floats your boat just don't expect me to respond.

I apologize for being way off the thread, but this just makes me crazy. On Hardball tonight Senator Warner, trying to put a positive spin on the war and the President's speech, said the House voted 403-3 to reject Mr. Murtha's resolution. This went completely unchallenged (as usual)!. The House voted against the republican-introduced, one-sentence bullshit mischaracterization of Mr. Murtha's position,not his resolution (which did not get to the floor)! There is a huge distinction. This kind of crap happens over and over again on Russert, Mathews, etc. It's the tyrany of the small, incremental mistatement. This is how myths gets perpetuated, and nobody in a position to correct the record seems to want to step up to do so. Do they completely miss this stuff, or is there some kind of script that doesn't allow for stopping the discussion dead in it's tracks and getting the facts right?

Alan, I did a search to see "what would Jesus drink" and, of course, the answer was wine. You see, since George is such a *good* Christian, I figured he might drink whatever Jesus drinks.

But, I don't figure that GWB drinks wine. I doubt if GWB would drink wine even if he was invited to the Jesus Christ Bar and Grill.

Then I did a search to see "what would alcoholics drink" and the answer was "anything they can get their hands on."

Saladin #69:

Excellent article from Schumacher. A month or so ago I offered the opinion that a third party was needed, a party combining a conservative national ism and a socially oriented democracy. There has to be a change, which may be Bush's legacy: he did so much damage he causes a revolutionary spirit and unleashes the firebrands for freedom.

Personally, I have had enough of corporate laws and corporate personhood. A hundred years of that crap is plenty.

Don Smith

gbob

Murtha's resolution didn't make it to the floor becuse he didn't introduce one. It was all show. The republicans called him on it and guess what- he voted with the 403. Kind of like Kerry when flopped on his vote for the war.

DEN, I think you've got it! Except for the 2/3 vote idea, that is...66.66% is a mighty high benchmark. If any candidate got 66.66% of the voters behind him/her, it'd probably be a tainted count.

Micki #74

David needs to install a PIQ on his site. The PIQ would be able to detect the intelligence quotient of those posting and allow David to weed out those below a certain cutoff. Kind of like a called ID. Might be weeded out myself, but I'm willing to participate.

miki, I thought 2/3rds majority would be a more true majority than 51% besides if it wouldn't reach 60% or so people would deserve a recount, I would hope to increase voter participation with tax deductions. I figure it's worth trying, just look at the outcomes of the 2000 and 2004 elections, scary close don't you think? and look what we ended up with. Gotta go, I'll b back 2morrow

miki, I thought 2/3rds majority would be a more true majority than 51% besides if it wouldn't reach 60% or so people would deserve a recount, I would hope to increase voter participation with tax deductions. I figure it's worth trying, just look at the outcomes of the 2000 and 2004 elections, scary close don't you think? and look what we ended up with. Gotta go, I'll b back 2morrow

baf

True, I stand corrected. But don't you think it's equally a show to reduce Mr. Murtha's position to a one-sentence sound byte (actually a one-word sound byte, IMMEDIATE) and then perpetuate the myth unchallenged on national television over and over again. Of course he voted against it, any sane person would. It's just a pity that those who are not paying very close attention, get a different message than that represented by the facts.

Head spinning, DMR vomits "kinda like a fag, learned decadent behavior", "ok fags, give it up" and from another thread, "but your mothers suck cock in hell".

Maybe Gerald knows a good exorcist.

Happy Holidays hypocrite.

DEN:

Even if you're gone, I'll buy into your plans for the future, #106, 107.

On Bush's speech this AM, I can't for the life of me understand how his writers let the word strategy remain in the speech. A strategy calls for the deliberate imposition of scientific methods to get the desired result. Bush hates science; does none of his cabal know what strategy means?

sorry for the profanity...

^^^^^^^^^^6

"Pussy Boy George"

little georgie bush is my pussy boy
yes, we knew they would win the battle
just as we will win the war.

you cannot win a war waged by a pussy boy;
a pussy boy who was afraid to go to war
a pussy boy who hid and did drugs while others died
a pussy boy who was a cheerleader in college
he has no respect
he is a wooden Indian
he cannot hold Bill Clintons cigars

he is a tin horn dictator
I am a real dictator
I will see little georgie bush again
I will see him without his armies
without his money
I will see him in Hell and then
I will fuck him and I will pass him around

Hell will not be pretty for georgie bush
Hell is for hard men like me.

from the poetry of Saddam Hussein

hundreds of questions await 911 jury-pool

micki 74, I don't want to be the blog gestapo, I sometimes can't resist either! But I see a lot of comments pertaining to the inane posts by the trolls so I can't help but encourage people to ignore them until they go away. But if that is what some people like, by all means, go for it! I'm the last person on earth that would ever advocate censorship!
Steve 101, good one!
DEN 106, There is no such thing as capitalism in this country and hasn't been for a very long time. You can't have fascism and capitalism at the same time, they cancel each other out. But I like the rest of your ideas. The only problem is that the ruling elite will never allow it. Dumbing down the populace, outsourcing industry and poisoning huge swaths of humanity with DU contamination is the plan. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact, as that is what they have been doing for the past 30 years.

James Ha

Bill Clinton was in the band in high school, a dropout from Oxford and we all know what he uses the cigars for, a sexual surrogate. I'm not here to defend Bush, but you seem to be praising Saddam Hussein. I don't care if our President is Democrat or Republican but I wouldn't give Saddam 1% of time. Just my opinion.

TRH, I automatically doubt the stories about saddam simply because they are issuing from the mouths of those who gain by getting rid of him. This is not to say that he hasn't committed crimes against humanity, but if he is as horrible as they claim, why are they going out of their way to mess with the trial and make sure he never receives a fair hearing? If it is as claimed it should be an open and shut case. Why don't they want him to testify? What might he blab that they prefer to keep quiet, and that goes for all the crimes clinton committed against those poor people when he was in charge. There is more to saddam then meets the eye, or that we will ever hear about. I, for one, would love to learn what he knows. There are a lot of dirty hands involved.

James 120, if we just ignore all those pesky questions, then they don't exist!

Saladin,

Saddam has outlasted many leaders of many countries. I am sure he has dirt on a lot of them. I still believe that the reason Bush 41 held his tongue while Clinton was in office because a lot of the Iran/Contra transactions were carried out by the CIA from the State of Arkansas. I am sure, as Governor, he would have been privy as to what was happening.

"We never see the smoke and the fire, we never smell the blood, we never see the terror in the eyes of the children, whose nightmares will now feature screaming missiles from unseen terrorists, will be known only as Americans." : Martin Kelly

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"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today." : President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906

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"A great industrial Nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the Nation and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.

"We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the world - no longer a Government of free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." : Woodrow Wilson - From his Campaign Speeches, 1912

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"If a baseball player slides into home plate and, right before the umpire rules if he is safe or out, the player says to the umpire - 'Here is $1,000.' What would we call that? We would call that a bribe. If a lawyer was arguing a case before a judge and said, 'Your honor before you decide on the guilt or innocence of my client, here is $1,000.' What would we call that? We would call that a bribe. "But if an industry lobbyist walks into the office of a key legislator and hands her or him a check for $1,000, we call that a campaign contribution. We should call it a bribe." : Janice Fine - Dollars and Sense magazine

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O for a lodge in some vast wilderness, Some boundless contiguity of shade; Where rumor of oppression and deceit, Of unsuccessful or successful war, Might never reach me more. William Cowper - Source: Task (bk. II, l. 1)

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Thanks ICH newsletter!

If I walk out of the back door of my house anticipating that I will arive in the front, no matter how many times I try and sell the idea to everybody I will fail. If I lie to my family and say that intelligence sources told me I'd arrive in the front, and that I'm making good progress at reaching the front by exiting the back door they'd look at my like I'm nuts. The majority in my house would know that my plan will fail, they would know that I was obviously clueless and no matter how long I tried to sell the idea to them they'd begin to think that I was insane. Does this horrible, ridiculous idea ring a bell with anyone?!?!

It’s Hard

Barnes - DING!

capt

Racial Poverty Gaps in U.S. Amount to Human Rights Violation, Says U.N. Expert

by Haider Rizvi

UNITED NATIONS - Despite enormous wealth and various federal and social welfare schemes at work, the United States is failing to help millions of its people trying to get out of poverty, according to an independent United Nations rights expert.

"Resource constraints have limited the reach of the assistance programs and social discrimination has aggravated the problems in many situations resulting in poverty clearly seen as a violation of human rights," Dr. Arjun Sengupta declared after visiting the United States last month.

"If the United States government designed and implemented the policies according to human rights standards much of the problem of poverty could be resolved," he added.

"The case of the United States was particularly interesting as it presented an apparent paradox: as the wealthiest country on Earth, with higher per capita income levels than any other country, the United States has also had one of the highest incidences of poverty among the rich industrialized nations," Dr. Sengupta said.

The official statistics released in his report to the U.N. show that over 12 percent of the United States population--or about 37 million people--lived in poverty in 2004, with nearly 16 percent--or about 46 million--having no health insurance.

The report indicates that more than 38 million people, including 14 million children, are threatened by lack of food.

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We should be doing far better. We cut food stamps to pay for bullets, that is un-American.

capt

# 7 gilgamesh....It is telling that most americans are not even concerned about how many Iraqi people have been killed. The MSM are barely touching these deaths. Just go read #80 Baf...this person reflects just how sick our nation has become. And many of these same individuals hide calling themselves Christians

#22 Saladin...The U.S. motto "do as we say not as we do".... this is really getting under people around the world's skin.

#108 You hit the nail on the head. The Republicans misrepresented Murthas position with those few sentences that they introduced.

Capt sure missing your links.......

After listening this afternoon to NPR's "ATC," I wrote to the show, "You don't find any irony in the fact that nearly three years after he ordered an unprovoked invasion of Iraq, the president finally claims to have come up with a strategy? I do. And what a strategy: more generalities, more platitudes, more nonsense about a non-existent Iraq-based threat to the continental United States." The man continues to be clueless.

Plan for Quagmire

It is Bush the missionary who will not leave Iraq, for to do so, in his mind, would be to go against God’s will.

And like Cheney and Rumsfeld, Bush covets long-term military bases in Iraq and control of Iraqi oil. These were among the ulterior purposes for the war in the first place.

Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush also fear that leaving Iraq would embolden Al Qaeda. Yet Al Qaeda relishes the Iraq War, and recognizes that it boosts recruiting. If the United States were to pull out of Iraq, Al Qaeda would likely not be strong enough to wrest control of the country from Shiites, Kurds, and those Sunnis who are in league with it only until U.S. troops leave. Having Iraqis expel Zarqawi’s forces would do more to damage Al Qaeda than having the United States engage in a futile effort to stamp out the last terrorist in the land.

Delusions, wishful thinking, and stubbornness do not amount to a plan for victory.

They amount to a plan for quagmire.

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Wishful thinking is not a plan and stubbornness is not resolve nor is it character.

capt

Kat - *smile*

TRH, do you honestly believe that I wrote that? or that I would post it under my name if I had written it? - man, click the link(119) - it sez poetry of saddam hussein, not poetry of James JR. Ha -

Soldiers and Reporters

by Fred Reed

Much email comes my way, from military folk both current and retired, assuring me that the press consists of leftist commy anti-American liberal tree-hugging cowardly backstabbers who probably like the French and would date Jane Fonda. It is an old song. Having spent decades covering the armed forces, I have seen much of the Pentagon and the press. Things are a tad more complex. A few thoughts:

The military, particularly the officer corps, wants not reporting but cheerleading. The very idea of an uncontrolled press is repugnant. Thus officers try to keep reporters away from enlisted men, who are less political and tend to say things that, while true, are not policy. Thus the edgy, wary hostility in the presence of reporters. The truth of what a reporter writes doesn’¥ matter to them, only whether it is "positive."

The reasons for this sensitivity are in part practical, given that wars cannot long be fought without the support of the public. There are deeper reasons. First, there is the military’≥ stark with-us-or-against-us outlook. Second, the intense loyalty to the group that characterizes military men. Third, an authoritarian structure to which reporters seem an uncontrolled rabble. "Uncontrolled" is the key word.

The military believes that the press should be part of the team. Its job should be not to report but to support. "Are they Americans, or aren’¥ they?" To see what the command thinks the press should be, read a base newspaper. It will be a cross between a PR handout and a Weekly Reader.

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Nothing original about the concept.

capt

James Ha

I had no doubt that you were not the author. I just thought it was beneath you to post such an immature "poem." You can hate Bush all you want as is your right, but for you to even think such trash as you posted to be funny, well, I believed to be beneath you.

James, I know where you got that poem! When I read it I thought, "that's eloquent, a poem by a psycho, about a psycho!" But I loved the last line, HA!
TRH, I have read of many a nefarious doings in AK. while clinton was gov. and afterward. The latest scandal to catch up with bill is the sale of infected blood to foreign countries. Seeing daddy bush and him as such good buds makes me nauseous, and scared. Why people insist on harping about his sexual peccadillos is beyond me, he has done so much worse. It's like concentrating on bush's inarticulate speech and forgetting all about the fact that he is a lying murderer.

James, I know where you got that poem! When I read it I thought, "that's eloquent, a poem by a psycho, about a psycho!" But I loved the last line, HA!
TRH, I have read of many a nefarious doings in AK. while clinton was gov. and afterward. The latest scandal to catch up with bill is the sale of infected blood to foreign countries. Seeing daddy bush and him as such good buds makes me nauseous, and scared. Why people insist on harping about his sexual peccadillos is beyond me, he has done so much worse. It's like concentrating on bush's inarticulate speech and forgetting all about the fact that he is a lying murderer.

Saladin,

They powerful all know the "skeletons" of each others closet. They may be different skeletons, but they all got there in the same way.

AOL poll...

How confident are you in the Iraqi security forces?
Not at all 53%
Somewhat 31%
Very 16%
Total Votes: 83,325

How soon should the U.S. begin withdrawing troops from Iraq?
They should remain for as long as it takes 42%
Within weeks or months 33%
Immediately 26%
Total Votes: 56,574

''By fighting these terrorists in Iraq, Americans in uniform are defeating a direct threat to the American people.''
Do you agree with this statement?
No 57%
Yes 43%
Total Votes: 56,733

''The terrorists in Iraq share the same ideology as the terrorists who struck the United States on September the 11th.''
Do you agree with this statement?
Yes 55%
No 45%
Total Votes: 56,226

Will the U.S. effort in Iraq leave the Middle East in better or worse shape?
Worse 43%
Better 39%
The same 18%
Total Votes: 55,855

Has anybody seen this yet?

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

If this is real, where is the outrage?

Gil

A Chip Off the Old Bloc

The only person out of character was Solicitor General Paul Clement, who, momentarily forgetting the Bush administration's distaste for "legislating from the bench," found himself telling the justices: "I think the court could issue any order a legislature could issue."

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No activist judges?

capt

Capt,

Sounds like Clement needs to go back to high school. There is a difference between legislating and ruling on the constitutionality of said legislation. If the the court can legislate, then would not the legislature also be able to decide the constitutionality of law? If it works one way, it works both.

Alan,

This is it -- your last chance to help place billboards in Jean Schmidt's district sending her a clear message:

"Shame on You, Jean Schmidt: Stop Attacking Veterans. Keep Your Eye on the Ball -- We Need a Real Plan for Iraq."

Hold Jean Schmidt Accountable
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Thank you,

Tom McMahon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee

sometimes in the larger picture there are parallels. In 21 Jump Street in one episode
the boy who ran the cell block in a boys detention
center got taken out, he was called the Hammer.
Symbolically when the next in line refused to take
the position of the hammer all hell broke loose
when that guy tossed the hammer into the abyss. Everyone and his brother fought to take over the power. True to life was when the communist control
ended, next came civil unrest and war in Kosovo
and so on. Sadam had to throw his weight around
at Kuwait and Saudia Arabia. They were cutting him
out of their nefarious dealings. But Saudia Arabia
pulled the Bushy card on Sadam. Bush one left him
in power and Bush two not knowing or caring about
the inevitable power vacuum. Iraq has an internal
hammer problem now that the good old boy USofA can
not fix. And even if President Clinton said similar things about Sadam he had better sense than to rush in and claim mission accomplished.
Lastly,we can bring our troops home. They will not
be mistreated as they were in Vietnam.There is no
shame in that. They also have paid a heavey price.
Not to mention the unknown numbers of Iraqis.
Some of them return knowing their President took
them to war on falsehoods. Others will never believe it. Sadam,a bad man? Yes. Sadam a murderer? Yes. But using that rule of thumb we'll
always be at war.

Let me tell you, I am bored from my goldfoil-covered toenails to the top of my shiny melonhead of this constantly having to keep up with the 3-letter handles that Bushbot keeps using; so I'll just address the boobs en masse. Dearest Bushbot, you are falling asleep on the job, dammit. You're piling up the lies and the idiotic poll numbers but they're not piled high enough. Higher, I say. Chop chop.

See? That's how I get a raise from Halliburton. I say, more war, fresh blood, More food for the cannons, dammit. Chop chop. We get ourselves one of those beautimous no-bid contracts -- and cha-ching-bada-bing -- you can add a Billion to my multibillions.

Funny thing is that I can go out and spout nonsense till I'm blue in the ears and it doesn't put a dent in my 19% approval ratings. I got a feeling that Uncurious George is going to see a few ticks come out of his numbers. Dumb bastard.

Bushbot, you gotta be careful when you promise not to spend a Red Cent on any Happy Holidays crap. Remember, Falafel-Bill says that theres a conspiracy to can Jesus' birthday. The forces of Satan are so powerful, that Falafel-boy has fallen prey to the Dark Lord (No, not Michael Moore). Just look at these disgraceful Jesus ornaments. He says, "Put your holiday tree in The No Spin Zone" WTF? Why does that commie liberal hate Our Lord's own birthday?

And speaking of loudmouth morons, somebody needs to stick a fork in oxycontin-boy. He says that part of him is kinda glad that those poor aid workers got nabbed in Iraq. He needs to lay off the crack. Next thing, he'll be talking "cut and run" ‚Ñ¢ like the cowards at the Pentagon. Those geezers weren't smart as I was to get 5 deferments in Vietnam; and they're still a longneck short of a sixpack. Cowards, the lot of 'em.

Bushbot, where do I buy myself one of the fancy medals that they hand out like candy in the Military? Nevermind. In four more years, they'll have the medals and I'll have billions of your hard earned dollars. Not bad for a sackful of lies, eh? Thanks.

Three more years of hell, ahead, folks. It's still the Bush/PNAC war....and all the blathering won't change that. Good read: The Road to ROCK BOTTOM!

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So much hate, certainty, vanity, pride, greed, absolutism...so unproductive. How long before the real bloodshed begins? How long before Americans are again slaying Americans? Can you feel the swelling hatred in this country?

For a LARGER view of O'Reilly's balls for your holiday tree

No kidding.

Great article at the Raw Story website about Judy Miller saying she is sorry for her faulty reporting.

Judy must be getting help for her compulsive lying problem. I hope she doesn't think that means we will buy her book. I do think the world is safer when Judy is seeking help for her problem.

Go read Micheal Ledeen's lastest at National Review...he actually sounds depressed...I hope

Nightline looks good... starting now

I wish President Bush would finally come out and
and admit to the real reason we invaded Iraq. Saddam was in bed with Satan. I mean, it was right there on South Park. And, they were literally in bed together. That would really hush up his critics in the press. Hard for the press to deny that Satan existed in bed with Saddam when it was right there on their televisions.

General Pace musta had a good ass-chewing for 'correcting' Rummy yesterday, because he's spewing the party line now (on Nightline).

New poll shows 70% of Americans believe that the negative comments by the Demorats (and you left wing cornuts) are hurting the morale of our troops and want it stopped!!!

Perhaps you can provide a link to this poll? More likely, you "polled" it out of your ass like most of your comments. *sigh* I think I'll just go back to ignoring you.

I went and listened to the Diane Rehm show again this evening. I tell you it is worth it. When Diane (who was playing hardball today) asked Lynne about the linking of 9/11 and Iraq, Lynne said "Um I don't know of any leader, certainly the Pres nor the V.P. has never said that Saddam Husseing was connected with 9/11".

I must like to torture myself, but when I listen to these compulsive liars it just reinforces my commitment to help take them out. Seriously go listen to the interview.

This interview makes me think that Lynne really is Mrs. Evil. That she been operating behind the scenes in the shadows with Mr. Evil.

Did you folks know that Mrs. Cheney wrote a politcal thriller in 1979 called "EXECUTIVE PRIVILIGE" The book has a V. President leaking in the thriller and no one is able to figure out just exactly what his motive is. Does this sound famaliar? I want to get a copy of the book.

But I certainly will not be buying any type of history book written by Lynne Cheney. She tried to revise history right before our ears today.

My felloe Amerkins, I did my bestest to explane my plan for the war. I did not get the warm fuzzy support from you "Bushbots" that I expeckted. I didnt get no Hoorays or huzzas.

Even David Corn has ponked my speechalizing. He sez, Bush presented a less comic-bookish analysis of the war. I resent the fackt that he makes my faverit books seem less fackshual that other serious books like The Truth (With Jokes) by Al Franken -- which I have read and must admit is sooo damm funny.

David Corn sez He conceded that the insurgency has been made up of Sunni Arab rejectionists, Saddamists, and terrorists. I did not conceded enything. I dont thinck he even noes what conceded means. My momma sez that I cant be conceded because thats an impurfection and Im purfect just the way the dear lord made me.

and Bushbot, I expeckt you to show the libruls that I dont lie cuz nobody tells me nuthing. I just read the words on the shinny computur. TRH, remember, thay cant proov I lide cuz I never testfied under outh, uh, othe, oeth? enybody noe how to spell that damm word?

And pleaze dont talk about poles no more. Thoes numbers scare me. Maybe a mujority of Amerkins are for tortur but they are also in favor of the I word. ya, impeachment.

Poeple may be riled up about the war but lots of em still thinck Im a grate preznit and thinck that I'm number 1.

Ah, dammit sumbody stole the Preznits trofy for the Army NAVY game. Sumbody look in Uncle Dick's house. Hes libel to steel anything that aint naild down.

Krazy Karl -- I dont call him turdblosom no more cause I dont want him to be indited for being such a turd -- he says sum of his freinds are passing out Bibels for Pron in San Antonio. Thats funny. Pandemoiniac told us about it. I dont like that Pandemoiniac. Hes mene.

President Bush,

It is spelled "oath." I am honored that you recognized me and were able to spell my name.

TRH

TRH, its only cause I noe your one of the good fokes on this blog not a mene ole polecat like hajji -- what kinda name izzat? -- capt, pandemoiniac, james, alan, saladin or robert schwartz. Dang schwartz is horder to spell then oath.

Mr. President,

Your brain must be awfully tired after all of that thinking, not to mention the concentration on all the correct spelling that you were able to accomplish. I can just picture the callouses on your fingertips from banging out your thoughts on your keyboard. I am honored to be an addressee of yours at Mr. Corn's site.

Sad American, I feel it, and it hurts.
TRH, I can't help but laugh. Pan, that HAS to be you!

Gil, there is plenty of outrage. Certain of us have been trying to compound it, but it is a slow process when no one will LISTEN or LOOK!

Ah, I miss Gare. Don't you? At least he could spell better than he could spit -- which these dumb bushbots that show their baboonasses can't seem to accomplish. I guess they'd have to get through the 8th-grade first.

And quit whining about getting punked on here after the sun goes down, Bushbutt. Some of us liberals work long freekin hours to support you lazy red welfare queens. Just because you have to run off to the gas-n-sip for the evening shift doesn't make you immune to comment. Just bust out the comments when school lets out. What time does your Jr. High let out? You seem to get out kinda early. Are you on one of those vocational early-release programs to get the mentally challenged a jump-start in the workplace?

Whatever you do, don't tell me that you're that same goofus who posted here a couple of months ago that said he was having a hard time with his colostomy bag. Hajji offered you a helping hand. If it was you, I suggest you take him up on his sincere offer. He's really a caring person.

Unlike me. I don't give a rat's ass.

How many damned op-eds is George Will going to write using the word "anodyne?" He must be showing off for the liberals cause in his last piece he said that some reactionary called himself a "Republican, which doesn't mean much these days." WTf is his problem?

Remember Factcheck.org (or Factcheck.com, as President Cheney likes to call it)? They have given Chimpy a serious smackdown on his speechalizing.

I read the reactionary bullcrap just like Kathleen. Realclearpolitics is in such a tailspin that they have pared down the links to the left-leaning news stories. The truth hurts them more than they care to admit. Redstate.org has turned into a veritable morgue. As the Reactionary bedwetters in congress are left to herd a mad pile of cats, folks are losing faith in the Reds:

Date-----------Poll--------Reds---Dems----%Spread
11/10 - 11/11--Newsweek-----36%-----53%-----D +17%
11/4-11/7---NBC News/WSJ--37%-----48%-------D +11%
11/2-11/6---DemCorps (D)---39%-----48%------D +9%
10/30-11/2--ABC/WashPost---37%-----52%------D +15%
10/21-10/23--CNN/USAT/Gallup-43%-----50%----D + 7%
10/12-10/16--Hotline/FD------31%-----40%----D + 9%

They can talk all they want about winning in '06 and '08; but first they have to work on getting their way in congress. Despite have a mojority in Congress, the thumbsuckers are left to bitch and moan about the Democratic agenda. The Dems offer choices and the Reds vote them down or purposely distort the agenda:
"One day after Rep. John P. Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat, announced that he had changed his mind on the war and now favored immediate withdrawal, Republicans introduced a starker version of his proposal and changed the chamber's rules to permit an immediate vote."

They can't have an honest vote just like they can't raise money the honest way, they can't deal with Social Security, or helping those most in need (like our brave trooops in Iraq) in an honest and straighforward way. Unless it's a huge pile of corporate welfare, the Reactionaries just sit on their hands (except for those like Ney, Cunningham, DeLay, Blunt, Sensenbrenner, Hastert, Frist, etc, etc, etc) who stick their fingers in the pie and pull out bribes and kickbacks.

The Preznit's poll numbers ticked up a notch in anticipation of his announcement of a plan to redeploy troops in Iraq by the '06 elections. As the realization sets in that we've been scammed (again) by the Cheney Administration and as the heating bills come in this winter (combined with the expected announcement of a decline in Real Wages for the 5th straight year) the bottom will drop out from Mr. Bush's approval rating. I pray that next year will be a better year for Mr. Bush and for us all.

TRH, as loyal opposition and educated to boot, could ya' help a Texican out and help us get to the source of some of the freakier comments by the Bushbots? They don't link or copy-n-paste sources or anything. I have to go chasing hi and low to figure out where most of their funny stuff comes from (Newsmax seems a common source). I'm still trying to figure out what they're on about the Moveon ads. Moveon puts up and takes down ads like they were funded by some lefty millionaire or sumthing.

Ms. Saladin, I gotta make funnee or I will shorely go Krayzee!!

Bedtime in Texas. Hasta Pasta, chicos y chicas. (Dang, I even miss Pagliacci jess a little bit.)

Mr. President,

I wanted to send you a private message so I clicked on your name. I was taken to a blog called "The Demon of Mankind." Please tell me that there was an error with my computer. Or, better yet, please tell me that the site I was taken to was your "other personality" page that you keep hidden from Rove and Cheney. I just want to know the truth. Either way, thanks for remembering how to spell my name.

TRH

Heh, heh. Mojority? Check it out, I could be a bushbot.

Go for it Pan! At least I can laugh at the ass whoopin you dish out. But I had, happily, forgotten all about Gare, now I'll have nightmares! Thanks a heap!

Pandemoniac,

#163 was posted before seeing #162. I hope I still receive an answer to #163. Regarding sources mentioned in #162, I believe those sources are still confidential according to my last RNC talking points e-mail. They won't be outed unless it helps Scooter and Rove, or until I receive my waiver of confidentiality. But, I am not unwilling to take an "under the table contribution to my favorite charity, me" if one were offered.

Good night!

The Bookie of Virtue

William J. Bennett has made millions lecturing people on morality--and blown it on gambling.

"We should know that too much of anything, even a good thing, may prove to be our undoing...[We] need ... to set definite boundaries on our appetites."

--The Book of Virtues, by William J. Bennett
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aww shucks, I was hoping Jenna would make a post too! I like it when the prez sneaks 'out' and posts here. Instead of holding his hand like normal, the best 'policing/cleaning up' Unca Dick can do is post after him with corrections. And even Unca Dick can't control Jenna! Guess she was at the bar tonight.

I can hear it all now:

capt, Saladin, Hajji, Alan, Jeanne, and James Ha, if they were living in the American civil war days.

Saladin says, "capt, that Abe Lincoln and Grant are just a couple of liars". "We should never have gone down south to help those slaves". "The slaves were happy, and there was no reason to send our soldiers to be killed just to free a bunch of blacks". "The slaves do not want us there" "We should pull out of the south and let the SLAVE OWNERS run things the way they want"
"There aren't any SLAVE OWNERS down south NOW, they are just nice southern people who want us to get the hell out".

I suspect there would be a huge increase of "SLAVE OWNERS " up north if we were forced to deal with an illegal occupation that was on a mission to bring the destruction of everything we ever had".

"That F**king Lincoln is just a murdering jerk". "The Union soldiers don't really want to save those blacks anyway". "They just want to come home, and to hell with those blacks"

I hope you enjoyed my little story of, How Abe Lincoln and U.S. Grant lied us into the Civil war and freeing the slaves, through the eyes of:
capt, Saladin, Hajji, Alan, Jeanne, and James Ha.

Bush pleads for patience. Americans grant him their patience for the next 30 years, more dead and maimed human beings, and a 6 trillion dollar price tag. Iraq will be rebuild and America is but rubble. What we are doing is spreading our money around and not our democracy.

from Billmon, on Iraqi press propaganda...

Still, while the prose may be dreadful, the price tag for placing it is pretty damned cheap, even by Iraqi standards -- as low as $50 for Chalabi's paper, according to the LA Times. (By contrast, during my brief interlude as a PR whore in Washington, my firm charged its corporate clients up to $15,000 for writing and placing a single ghosted op-ed in the New York Times or the Washington Post.)
Which raises an important question: What has the Lincoln Group done with the other $5,499,950 in its Pentagon contract for PR work in Iraq? (not to mention the company's even bigger $100 million global disinformation deal with JPOSE.)

Now Joeseph, that wasn't very nice. It wasn't a good analogy either. One hasn't a thing to do with the other. Why should we be the world's policeman? Why go after Saddam (the oil, stupid) when there were REAL threats to us? And those threats have gotten WORSE while we're occupied with nation-building in that quagmire. Throwing money left 'n right to FOBs (friends of bush) that could be spent on Americans and our own citizens. On one of Capt's links above describing journalists and soldiers, said if given a chance the soldiers would come home in a flash, not of cowardice, but because they have no stake in the outcome. Why should I make my kids fatherless for Iraq's democracy?? was the prevalent theme.
And I very much agree.

Now Joeseph, that wasn't very nice. It wasn't a good analogy either. One hasn't a thing to do with the other. Why should we be the world's policeman? Why go after Saddam (the oil, stupid) when there were REAL threats to us? And those threats have gotten WORSE while we're occupied with nation-building in that quagmire. Throwing money left 'n right to FOBs (friends of bush) that could be spent on Americans and our own citizens. On one of Capt's links above describing journalists and soldiers, said if given a chance the soldiers would come home in a flash, not of cowardice, but because they have no stake in the outcome. Why should I make my kids fatherless for Iraq's democracy?? was the prevalent theme.
And I very much agree.

Alan

1st.
I think we all know that it was not for oil. That is just silly, and you know it.

2nd.
The South wasn't a threat to the Union.

3rd.
I am sure there were parents in both the North and the South that didn't want their sons hurt.

4th.
The threats in Iraq have not gotten worse.

5th.
We are kicking their ass's, and they are fighting back, just as we all knew they would.

6th.
The fact that we have taken far less casulities than our enemy, doesn't mean we should (cut & run) I think it would actually be called surrender, and pull out.

7th.
Do not believe what you read on left wing sites. As joe Leiberman said, I have been to Iraq 4 time in 2 years, and thing are getting better all the time. The President has a good plan, and it is working.

Do the 'talking points' all you want, it don't make it true. You were 6 out of 7 wrong.
1. it's oil my friend, no doubt about it
2. going across the ocean to war isn't the same as fighting fellow Americans, some with siblings 'drafted' on the opposing side (ever shot at your brother?)
3. not sure your point, but I agree parents get concerned when their kids are killing and being killed
4. I said the other, real threats were/are getting worse like N.Korea and Iran even(tho Iraq has gotten worse too...now up to 100 attacks/bombs a day)
5. see above about per-day rate of violence... the only time we get to kick ass is like in Fallujah where it's an all out assault, with many inncocent civilians getting killed too. The rest of the time we're getting picked off one and two at a time with IED's and at least one known bad-ass sniper.
6. see above about 'collateral damage'
7. Joe Lieberman?? haha Ok, what can he tell from the 'executive tour' they give him? That's 2 funneeee!

Hey, thanks for disagreeing with civility. That's the only reason I replied.

Alan said:

On one of Capt's links above describing journalists and soldiers, said if given a chance the soldiers would come home in a flash, not of cowardice, but because they have no stake in the outcome. Why should I make my kids fatherless for Iraq's democracy?? was the prevalent theme.
And I very much agree.

I SAY:

Alan,
I would be willing to bet, CIVIL WAR SOLDIERS, may have SAID:

Why should I make my kids fatherless for A BUNCH OF SLAVES's ??

Just because a small minority of soldiers MIGHT HAVE SAID something like that, does not make them correct.

Just because a small minority of soldiers MIGHT HAVE SAID something like that, does not make them correct.

K, I think I'm missing your point, so I won't try to answer that one. That statement above sounds true enough. The article didn't describe an interview or anything, so it wasn't exact quotes. He was describing his experiences and observing both sides, thru many wars, not just Iraq. Reporters see more wars than most soldiers, he said, because they get out of the service, come home, and reporters are still out in the world doing their job. I'll scroll up and find that link again. Hold on...

Soldiers and Reporters

It's not a political us vs them article, you should check it out. Here's another shot of it...

The two groups live in sharply differing mental worlds. While reporters are more insular than they should be, they are much less so than the military. They see a broader slice of the world and rub shoulders with more kinds of people. The overseas correspondents see more wars than do soldiers. The result is a certain cosmopolitanism which, whether good or bad, is much at odds with the clarity of the military’s outlook.

Alan,
You seem like a peaceful, diplomatic, non-violent guy. You do not sound like you understand a guy who volunteers to stand up and fight for those who are not able to fight for themselves.

If you and I went out for a drink to debate our differences, and some big muscle bound thug decided to thump your butt, and he was not the least bit interested in a diplomatic discussion, you would be very happy to have a friend like me, well trained in hand to hand combat, make him see the light. I would do that if he just would not leave you alone.

We are trying to make the terrorists, SEE THE LIGHT.

Alan,
I have to hit the rack. Got to be up early tomorrow. Nice chatting.

As the kids say, Later dude,

Joseph

Well thanks, I try to be nice to everybody. It doesn't take as much effort as being mean too. Go figure. K, the better analogy, using your scenario, would be...
You don't like the guy at the next table and keep trying to talk me into going over there with you to kick his ass. You decide to go over there anyway, and now I gotta get involved too, because I've done a little fighting in my day too, and I wouldn't turn my back on you like that. 'Course, I'd probably kick your ass myself later for putting me in that spot. Zat sound more like what's happening in Iraq to you?

Joe Lieberman interview

a'ight Joseph, g'nite
Tell your kiddos to "GET IN BED!!"

Listen to that interview of Lieberman! My gawddd! Imus keeps swatting 'em down as fast as he's pitching that manure.

bushie don't like Saddam (and he's got oil too)

bushie needs excuse to take out Saddam (and he's got oil too)

bushie knows Saddam has had bio/chem WMD's because we fixed him up with them (and he's got oil too)

bushie pouts till Dick says he's got nukes now also (and he's got oil too)

bushie happy cause now he can show up pappy by taking out Saddam, become big war hero (and he's got oil too)

go to sleep now bushie, I'll read you another chapter tomorrow night. *kiss on forehead*

When some 60 members of Congress are under investigation, I tend not to look for much leadership. Nor do I by rote trust what shows up.

We haven't heard all the names yet.

As to W. When this man finds the cohones to stand before actual unbiased, not under orders actual unbiased voters.......I might begin to listen.

But this Mission from God crap is just too Blues Brothers, frat boy crap.

He may have felt he was born again, but still he was elected President (perhaps)....but surely not Pope.

The division between Church and State stands because IT NEEDS TO STAND. Its like Science v Belief.

It needs to stand.

I don't give a rats backside that shrub boy thinks God sent him to iraqu, he aint there holding a gun.

So easy aparently to watch young American Patriots die.

For some of us...........not so much. And we keep asking.........For what? And we keep getting speaches made to those who have an obligation to treat this President warmly.

Where the Hell is the Beef?

Shrub boy is a turkeyburger of the first kind.

He will NEVER be seen by this person as anyone above absolute contempt.

I resent and dispise everything he stands for, and though GOD knows that isn't a hell of a lot, it is enough.

We have a bunch of draft dodging assholes dismantling intell agencies and spewing propoganda.

And our Republican Congress just keeps rubber stamping ALL THEIR CRAP.

Is this what YOU voted for?????

It sure as Hell is not what I voted for.

Im not a turtle or a slug, I write my reps.

And yet...................

Im reminded of a Marley song, "Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights".

Now is the time for all good men to Get the Hell UP.

Or shut the hell up, whichever seems prudent.

Kurdish Oil Deal Shocks Iraq's Political Leaders

A Norwegian company begins drilling in the north without approval from Baghdad.

By Borzou Daragahi
Times Staff Writer

December 1, 2005

BAGHDAD —†A controversial oil exploration deal between Iraq's autonomy-minded Kurds and a Norwegian company got underway this week without the approval of the central government here, raising a potentially explosive issue at a time of heightened ethnic and sectarian tensions.

The Kurdistan Democratic Party, which controls a portion of the semiautonomous Kurdish enclave in northern Iraq, last year quietly signed a deal with Norway's DNO to drill for oil near the border city of Zakho. Iraqi and company officials describe the agreement as the first involving new exploration in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

Drilling began after a ceremony Tuesday, during which Nechirvan Barzani, prime minister of the Kurdish northern region, vowed "there is no way Kurdistan would accept that the central government will control our resources," according to news agency reports.

In Baghdad, political leaders on Wednesday reacted to the deal with astonishment.

"We need to figure out if this is allowed in the constitution," said Adnan Ali Kadhimi, an advisor to Prime Minister Ibrahim Jafari. "Nobody has mentioned it. It has not come up among the government ministers' council. It has not been on their agenda."

The start of drilling, called "spudding" in the oil business, is sure to be worrisome to Iraq's Sunni Arab minority. They fear a disintegration of Iraq into separate ethnic and religious cantons if regions begin to cut energy deals with foreign companies and governments. Sunnis are concentrated in Iraq's most oil-poor region.

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Not good news.

capt

Kurdish Oil Deal Shocks Iraq's Political Leaders

A Norwegian company begins drilling in the north without approval from Baghdad.

December 1, 2005
Who Made Iraq Into a Threat?

by Paul Sperry
Before he invaded Iraq, President Bush warned us that the terrorists were using Iraq as a base to attack America. After the invasion, we found out that was nonsense on stilts.

Now Bush warns us the terrorists really are using Iraq as a base to attack America, and we have to stay there to defeat them. The terrorists are a "direct threat to the American people," he asserted yesterday.

Here we go again. At least this time he's a little closer to the truth: There are in fact terrorists in Iraq today, and they are killing American soldiers there. But we can thank our president for that – he made the "Iraqi threat" a self-fulfilling prophecy.

At yesterday's Annapolis pep rally, Bush tried to scare the American people into staying the course in Iraq by once again tying it to the war on terrorism and their own personal safety. Now is not the time to cut and run, he insisted; Iraq is no less than the "central front" in the war on terror.

But was Iraq the "central front" before Bush invaded? No, the central front was the Afghan-Pakistani border, al-Qaeda's home base (and it still is, thanks to Bush shifting the military resources needed to finish the job there to his wag-the-dog war in Iraq).

It's high time the White House press corps put down their stenographer's notepads, stopped dictating the president's doublespeak, and started forcing him to own up to the terrible reality he created in Iraq. If there is a threat from Iraq now, he and he alone created it by invading. It's self-evident from the litany of problems he cited in his speech. Just ask him if they existed before he started his unprovoked war:

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Bush CREATED the problem because he wanted to, now we have to stay because he is a major screw-up? That passes for policy?

capt

Who Made Iraq Into a Threat?

December 1, 2005

by Paul Sperry

Before he invaded Iraq, President Bush warned us that the terrorists were using Iraq as a base to attack America. After the invasion, we found out that was nonsense on stilts.

Now Bush warns us the terrorists really are using Iraq as a base to attack America, and we have to stay there to defeat them. The terrorists are a "direct threat to the American people," he asserted yesterday.

Here we go again. At least this time he's a little closer to the truth: There are in fact terrorists in Iraq today, and they are killing American soldiers there. But we can thank our president for that –†he made the "Iraqi threat" a self-fulfilling prophecy.

At yesterday's Annapolis pep rally, Bush tried to scare the American people into staying the course in Iraq by once again tying it to the war on terrorism and their own personal safety. Now is not the time to cut and run, he insisted; Iraq is no less than the "central front" in the war on terror.

But was Iraq the "central front" before Bush invaded? No, the central front was the Afghan-Pakistani border, al-Qaeda's home base (and it still is, thanks to Bush shifting the military resources needed to finish the job there to his wag-the-dog war in Iraq).

It's high time the White House press corps put down their stenographer's notepads, stopped dictating the president's doublespeak, and started forcing him to own up to the terrible reality he created in Iraq. If there is a threat from Iraq now, he and he alone created it by invading. It's self-evident from the litany of problems he cited in his speech. Just ask him if they existed before he started his unprovoked war:

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Bush CREATED the problem because he wanted to, now we have to stay because he is a major screw-up? That passes for policy?

capt

Bush in Iraq, Slouching Toward Genocide

By Robert Parry
December 1, 2005

Despite pretty words about democracy and freedom, George W. Bush’≥ "victory" plan in Iraq is starting to look increasingly like an invitation to genocide, the systematic destruction of the Sunni minority for resisting its U.S.-induced transformation from the nation’≥ ruling elite into second-class citizenship.

The Sunnis, an Islamic sect that makes up about 35 percent of Iraq’≥ 26 million people, are being confronted with a stark choice, either accept subordination to the less-educated Shiite majority or face the devastation of Sunni neighborhoods, the imprisonment of many Sunni males and the deaths of large numbers of the Sunni population.

In referring to this possibility, many in Washington object to the word "genocide" –†which is defined in international law as the destruction of "in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" –†but already there are troubling signs that Iraq’≥ incipient civil war could slide into something close to that.

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So, "victory" still sounds like Bunnypants "staying the course" until it is not his problem. We will be there until he is proven correct or out of office. Sad when the plan for Victory mean we all pay to bail Bush out of his pack of lies.

2,000, 20,000 or 2,000,000 is all the same to him. He is not the one dying so . . .

capt

Limbaugh on kidnapping of peace activists in Iraq: "I'm telling you, folks, there's a part of me that likes this"

On November 29, nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh read an Associated Press report about the apparent kidnapping of four Christian Peacemaker Teams (CPT) activists by an Iraqi insurgent group. Limbaugh announced that "part of me likes this." He explained: "Well, here's why I like it. I like any time a bunch of leftist feel-good hand-wringers are shown reality."

After suggesting that the story "could all be BS ... could all be a stunt," Limbaugh said, "We'll take it face value at first." Addressing the kidnapped CPT activists, Limbaugh said, "[Y]ou've met the bad guys, and you tried your technique on them, and now you're blindfolded in a room with guns pointed at you and knives at your throat. I don't like that." He then added, "But any time a bunch of people that walk around with the head in the sand practicing a bunch of irresponsible, idiotic theory confront reality, I'm kind of happy about it, because I'm eager for people to see reality, change their minds, if necessary, and have things sized up."

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Hopeless and heartless. Soulless and clueless. As are all the ditto-heads (as evidenced above).

capt

Baf wrote: "As far as the 70% figure, this comes from a poll run over the weekend from RT Strategies. If you would do a little research instead of listening to hannity and rush, this might help. Just a suggestion."

Oh yes Braf, I know where the figure comes from as Rush Limbaugh, Mr. The Polls Are All Biased, sited the so-called polling numbers on his website recently. And again, the credibility of a cokehead and one poll out of about 15, does not mean that you and your brainless ilk are now in the majority. But the fact that you constantly troll Mr. Cornhole's website says a whole lot. Keep trolling Lemming, YOU may learn something. Now crawl back to the RNC website to pickup your latest talking point. God forbid your out of lock step with those who control your thinking!

I hope Bush doesn't tell you the sky is falling. We'll never be able to get you out of the ducking position.....

Alan, when Joseph started out by comparing bushco to Lincoln-Grant that's where he lost me. You just can't reason with people who have decided what is what without benefit of all available evidence. The civil war was not all that met the eye. Joseph should do a bit of digging. War get's stirred up by those who will benefit from it. And while the people fight the wars with noble intentions, I assure you, the ruling elite have no such intentions. They never have and never will.

"Take your ass to Iraq and die for this lie"

Baf wrote: "I have family and friends that are over there-dickhead!! I want them to come home safe unlike pukes like you that get a hard on every time a body bag comes home."

WTF, does that have to do with the fact that YOUR ass is not over there?!?!?! Get up off your couch, exit the trailerpark, right at the PigglyWiggly, to your nearest recruitment center! Put your money where your mouth is Tough Guy and go fight in this war you so adamantly without question, support....

A failed attempt to sell a failed policy on a failed war

By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 1, 2005, 07:14

The dwindling numbers of those who continue to support, without question, George W. Bush’≥ failed policies in Iraq didn’¥ get much to support their cause when the President delivered what the White House promised would be a "major policy speech."

The speech, offered to a carefully-selected audience of Naval Academy midshipmen at Annapolis, gave us nothing new and offered one more glimpse of Bush’≥ inability to grasp reality.

Either Bush is purposely lying when he claims progress in training Iraqis to handle their own security or he is just too damn dumb to realize how bad things are in the country he invaded two-and-a-half years ago.

Even worse, he apparently learned nothing from the botched photo op aboard an aircraft carrier in 2003 where he stood before that ridiculous "Mission Accomplished" banner and declared victory in Iraq.

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A failed policy by a failed misleader. No surprises.

capt

A gutless, draft-dodging coward named Dick Cheney

By DOUG THOMPSON
Nov 22, 2005, 07:41

The last thing we need in the increasingly bitter Iraq debate is a gutless, draft-dodging coward like Dick Cheney criticizing those who did serve their country.

The Vice President, who used multiple deferments to avoid serving his country during the Vietnam conflict, jumped into the fray big time last week and again on Monday with an acrid broadside against those who properly question the President’s motives for dragging the country into the bloody dead-end called Iraq.

"This is revisionism of the most corrupt and shameless variety," Cheney said yesterday. "It has no place anywhere in American politics."

Sorry Dickie boy, but it is you and your cronies at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue who have "no place anywhere in American politics." It is hypocrites like you, you shameless, cowardly son-of-a-bitch, who should be led from the White House in chains and locked away in some hellhole to rot for eternity.

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Just like their idol(s) the pathetic trolls that post their spew here will NEVER sign-up, they would dodge the draft with anal cysts or "too busy with other priorities" just like the gutless cowards that idolize.

capt

Locals see violence but little progress

THROUGH the smoke of car bombs on the streets of Baghdad, Ali Kathem has trouble seeing the progress that George Bush described in Wednesday's speech.

"At least we didn't have terrorism under Saddam Hussein. Now, we have explosions, kidnapping, stealing," said Mr Kathem, 24, who has sold cigarettes on a busy roadside in the capital for nearly 10 years.

In a nearby electronics shop, Haider Falleh, 32, said his opinion of the new Iraq crystallised when a half-dozen men in police uniforms, driving police cars, robbed his shop of 45 mobile phones. He ran for help to police at a checkpoint across the street. They shrugged.

For Ghassan Abdul Haider, 26, a Shiite police officer in the capital, the religious lines dividing the country have kept him from his home in northern Baghdad for three months. The last time he was there, little children brought notes from his Sunni neighbours saying he would be killed.

In his speech at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, Virginia, Mr Bush spoke of progress towards independence, of land restored to Iraqi control, of gains in stability and democracy, and of the "skill and courage" of newly trained Iraqi security forces.

But on the streets of Baghdad, such optimistic rhetoric contrasts sharply with the blast of suicide bombs, the scream of ambulance sirens, the roar of racing police cars carrying men with masks and machine-guns, and the grim daily reports of assassinations, murders and hostage-taking.

"You just never know what you will face," Mr Falleh said. "Each day when I come to work, I think it will be my last day alive."

He said he survived one bomb blast and escaped death a second time when police reacting to the bomb fired wildly into his car.

On the same day Mr Bush spoke, nine farmworkers were killed when gunmen opened fire on a bus near Baquba, snipers fired on the office of a National Assembly member in the capital, and three Iraqi Army officers were wounded when a bomb went off near their patrol. In Falluja, 20,000 people marched in a funeral for a Sunni cleric shot while leaving prayers. For Iraq, it was a quiet day.

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Sure thing are going fine, smooth as silk, finer than the hair on a spiders legs.

Maybe Joe Loserman was in a different Iraq?

capt

"exit the trailerpark, right at the PigglyWiggly"

Hey! That leads to my house!

Joseph, it's one thing to "make terrorists see the light" - it's quite another thing entirely to feign incompetence as a cover for evil machinations, the result of which created far more terrorists who now need the light shown to them.

TRH, I'm pleased that you would say that posting saddam's poem(119) is beneath me; thanx for that!
I inadvertently ran across it on the web, and thought it was ironic what saddam thought of bush - I don't approve of saddam or bush, or clinton for that matter - they can all go hang and smoke cigars together as far as I'm concerned.

"they can all go hang and smoke cigars together as far as I'm concerned"

No doubt!

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.."

-Abraham Lincoln

Lincoln's "War of Northern Agression" wasn't about freeing slaves. Slavery was just the "Abortion" wedge out of that day's wheel of political cheese. Moral high ground is the first objetive in politics and war. (and I believe that ALL wars are political!)

-T

How many Iraqi troops are needed is balanced by the size of the insurgency. A decent political settlement could eliminate most of the insurgency. However, Mr Bush continues to pursue a military imposition of his own policies rather than engaging the opposition in a true political settlement that over 90% of Iraqis could support.

Hajji, I was going to post that lttle factoid but decided it would do no good. I'm glad you brought it up though. Most Americans prefer to live in the warm, fuzzy little Disney World fantasy land that has been taught in schools for generations. The truth about US history is more than most can swallow because it is overflowing with bloodshed, grief and destruction. How many know that on the very day Lincoln was proclaiming Thanksgiving an official holiday he was also ordering troops to march against the Sioux in Minnesota, and subsequently ordered 38 Santee Sioux hung on Christmas Eve for leaving the 'reservation' in search of food.
History is full of murderous behavior like this on the part of our so-called heroes. But let's not allow facts to get in the way of fantasy!

Truth Jailed

Truth Jailed

U.S. Is Said to Pay to Plant Articles in Iraq Papers

One wonders...was the GREY LADY going to sit on this story until hell freezes over...or just until the LATimes published first...and made the New York Times honchos get off their corporate-bushevik-loving asses and tell us what they've known for months...from the article:

"...The Lincoln contract with the American-led coalition forces in Iraq has rankled some military and civilian officials and contractors. Some of them described the program to The New York Times in recent months and provided examples of the military's storyboards....

Two dozen recent storyboards prepared by the military for Lincoln and reviewed by The New York Times had a variety of good-news themes addressing the economy, security, the insurgency and Iraq's political future. Some were written to resemble news articles. Others took the form of opinion pieces or public service announcements..."

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The New York Times needs a thorough housecleaning -- their good reporters must be pissed beyond description!

The reason the gap between spin and soul - the brittle corporate lies that justify false wars vs. the joyous human spirit that wants to party all the time - exists is because powerful people profit from creating weapons and selling them. Then they get fools to use them so they can sell even more.

Micki, (#204)

Yesterday, CBS Evening News, gave that story it about 20 seconds. I was a bit taken aback. I haven't heard much in the way of political truth-telling from them since "Blathergate".

-T

we should take a much harder look at the methods of indigenous living, and realize that any genuine, actualized future should involve a much closer intimacy with the planet that sustains us. Dirt under the fingernails should be a required course in every year of education.

As we wear out the planet with our follies, we must learn to live on the land like a feather. Some Indian said that. I think he was a Pawnee.

Yet in the 2006 mainstream, little girls in New York are taught to dress like whores, and in Washington, male hookers frolic at the highest levels of government, which is supported by people who worship Jehovah's wrath at evil Arab hijackers.

199 You make an interesting and historically valid point regarding Mr. Lincoln's motives. Here in the heart of historical revision land, it is equally valid to note that the motives of one Mr. Davis, et al, were most definitely the retention of the institution of human slavery, and most importantly, the human "property" itself. Far too many southerners spew the "Civil War wasn't about slavery" line based on the Northern perspective when a cursory examination of any of Jefferson Davis' speeches from about 1850 on make it quite obvious that the continuation and spread of slavery was at the heart of the southern "state's rights" issue. Davis spoke for virtually all southern politicians to a man. They were interested in protecting their wealth and "property" and used any number of specious arguments to justify it on moral grounds.

Sound familiar? Iraq not about oil? One wonders what results might be obtained from an examination of the financial interests and holdings of the current administration and congress in relation to the two primary beneficiaries of middle eastern warfare: petroleum and weapons makers and all of the ancillary and related industries. Of course, we already know what Bush and Cheney's connections to those industries are, which makes this whole discussion even more bizarre, considering the willingness of those who doggedly support this administration to ignore said connections. These are often the same folks who thought Whitewater and Lewinsky were the crimes of the century!

Greetings and glad tidings to all from the fetid, stinking, steamy swamps of sunny South Carolina!

Saladin,

It does not seem to trouble the multitudes that such "history" is sanitized and and re-packaged for general consumption. I can tell that revealing some small, ignored truth of history to many people actually physically causes pain, perhaps in the brain as their complacent expression changes to one you'd expect from an "ice-cream" headache.

It is an unfortunate fact that the victor gets to write the history and the powerful change the history to suit their future plans.

-T

#266 Hajji -- I shouldn't be surprised -- but to find out RIGHT in the NYT that they knew about this for MONTHS and didn't get the story out is, IMO, disgraceful, unprofessional, and shoddy (I could think of worse adjectives!).

The NYT brass must have taken the same ethics courses that Bob Woodward attended.

oops #206

Robb,

It is quite telling how the agricultural fortunes of the southern powerful almost immediately dissolved and were overshadowed by the continuing rise of the industrial north following the Civil War.

To this day the wounds of such conflict are held open to fester in these lands of ours. Down to such petty, ridiculous labels plastered on you should you choose to NOT eat at a certain BBQ place in Columbia, (N-Lovin' g-Damn Yankee) or choose TO attend a Civil-War battlefield re-enactment.(Sheet wearin' Cracker-assed OFay)

It would seem that I am, proudly, BOTH!

HA!

-T

If man evolved from the apes, why are there still apes? Roving bands of chimpanzees will shred and rip any non-band chimp to death they find while they are on patrol. How is it then we evolved? We still commit acts of brutality in the name of our particular band or political persuasion. To humans death of others is a necessary casualty of war. Warriors continue to kill backed by our political leaders. This is acceptable to many and many enjoy participating, where then is the future for mankind?

From: Institute For Historical Review

'Holocaust Denial' Laws are Disgraceful
By Mark Weber - November 27, 2005

David Irving, the controversial British historian, was arrested in Austria on November 11 for a 16-year-old violation of that country's holocaust denial statute. He has now been formally charged, and if found guilty could face years in prison.

His case is by no means unique. In Germany, France, Austria, Belgium, Switzerland and several other European countries, as well as in Israel, it is a crime publicly to dispute the official version of Holocaust history.

The list of those who have been fined, imprisoned, or forced into exile for denying the Holocaust includes Robert Faurisson and Roger Garaudy in France, Siegfried Verbeke in Belgium, Juergen Graf and Gaston-Armand Amaudruz in Switzerland, and Guenter Deckert, Hans Schmidt and Fredrick Toben in Germany.

On November 8 the trial in Germany of holocaust denier Ernst Zundel began with a dramatic clash between his attorneys and the presiding judge. And a few days later Germar Rudolf, a German citizen, was deported from Chicago to his homeland, where he likewise faces years of imprisonment for denying the Holocaust.
Tony Blair's government considered introducing a holocaust denial statute in Britain, but eventually rejected the idea. Italy, Ireland, Norway, Denmark and Sweden are among the other European countries that have declined to enact such laws.

Some people may be offended by those who play down Jewish death and suffering during World War II. But free and open societies protect even offensive speech. That's why western countries defend the right of their citizens, for example, to praise Communism or promote atheism.

Holocaust denial laws violate ancient and universal standards of justice. They criminalize even factual or truthful statements that play down or whitewash the Holocaust. They are selective and one-sided. In countries where they are on the books, the Holocaust is the only chapter of history that cannot be freely discussed. They inhibit historical inquiry and restrict free speech. They are a disgrace, and should be repealed.
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One thing I don't get about these stupid laws is, what's the point? If the claims made by these so-called "holocaust deniers" are BS, it seems the best idea, to shut them up for good, is to open the subject up for all who want to examine both claims. Let both sides present their case. Locking them up and throwing away the key and refusing to even allow them to present evidence makes me very suspicious. What do they have to lose by allowing the scrutiny of this subject? The Red Cross themselves have argued with many of the holocaust claims, including how many Jews died and what caused the deaths. What will they do, ban the Red Cross and throw them in the dungeon?

Street Gangs

Bob Herbert (spell) of the NYTimes spoke out on street gangs and he has a concern for our streets. We need to control our streets from street gangs and we need to also know street gang thinking and how we can bring in these people into mainstream America.

How do we do it? We must first understand that street gangs are a form of terrorist cells. American terrorist cells and ripe recruiting stations for foreign terrorist cells. A concerted effort should be made to help street gang members to be productive members of society.

If Americans had universal health care coverage, they could accept less in wages and not feel so much pressure to make more money in order to pay for the high cost of health insurance.

I put most of our problems squarely on the backs of the rich and filthy rich who want more and more of the American pie and hell with the rest of America and Americans. Why do the rich need $500 million and not $50 million? Why do they need offshore tax havens to avoid paying any taxes that would help to ease our deficits? Why are they so unpatriotic but most of all why are they not part of the human race?

We have heard that with tax breaks for the rich they will help America to be more productive. The truth is that their tax breaks have not generated more production. The economy or the stock market seems to be going well because companies are downsizing and outsourcing jobs. Americans are working harder and longer for less and less money. Good paying jobs are being outsourced for less money and in a few years America will be relegated to the class of a banana republic.

Daily Times - Site Edition Thursday, December 01, 2005

Iraqis want Saddam to run for election.

AMMAN: Iraqis have asked Saddam Hussein's defence team to mull the possibility of fielding the ousted dictator as a candidate for future elections, one of his lawyers said in remarks published on Wednesday.

Iraqis have asked the defence team to study the legal conditions to present Saddam Hussein as a candidate for elections, first as an MP then as president, Jordan's Al-Dustour daily quoted former Qatari justice minister Najib al-Nuaimi as saying.

If this contradicts the legal system then president Saddam will be nominated simply as a candidate, he said, without specifying if Saddam could try to run in the December 15 election.

Nuaimi is among three foreign lawyers along with former US attorney general Ramsey Clark and Jordanian lawyer Issam Ghazzawi who were sworn in by the Iraqi court as members of Saddam's defence at Monday's hearing.

Asked by AFP about Nuaimi's reported remarks, Ghazzawi said: As we were leaving Iraq on Tuesday ordinary Iraqis at the airport approached us saying they wished that Saddam would return (as president).
These Iraqis said we have lost security after Saddam, how we wish he would return, Ghazzawi said.
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Now we come full circle. Good job Jr.!

212 Nary a morsel from Maurice's table shall EVER pass my lips! Ever read "Confederates in the Attic"? I recommend it highly.

Saladin,

Such laws are made out of fear. (as are many) The only think I can see is that we've become conditioned to realize that lies will sometime win out over truth, so we legislate AGAINST free speech of whatever we might have been taught are lies.

How many lies do the multitudes accept as FACT?

Far, far too many.

I'm told, by my childhood friend, now a resident of Helsinki, that a large portion of Europeans believe that Nazism,(and anti-Jewism) like a dormant virus, lies just below the surface, waiting for some act or gesture to re-awaken it and many fear it lives IN THEM!

Because of that, many are complacent to give in to legislation to limit speech that questions the "official" history. Strangely, at the same time they vote for the restriction of overt symbols of religion like the covering of heads with Yarmulke or Hijab in public schools.

-T

American Soldiers

2,360 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush's evil lies.

16,000+ American soldiers have been maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Bush's evil lies.

40,000+ American soldiers are suffering from PTSD.

Over 100,000+ Iraqis have been killed in Iraq since Bush declared shock and awe bombings on March 19, 2003.

Are you feeling more safe and secure with Bush in the WH and Cheney as his chief hatchet man overseeing America and her people.

American elections are rigged to favor the repugnants.

We will have to see how events play out. Seymour Hersh (when he was asked to comment about the 2004 election)

Bush will declare martial law in 2008 and the elections will be suspended.

Our military men and women are used as cannon fodder for a terrorist American government.

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. George W. Bush, August 5, 2005

THE GLORY OF BUSH IS MAN FULLY DEAD!!!

This war in Iraq really pisses me off!!!!!

Rigged elections doom American democracy. American soldiers are being killed and maimed TO PROMOTE AN AMERICAN NAZI STATE.

THE GLORY OF GOD IS MAN FULLY ALIVE. St. Irenaeus

I shall pass this way but once. Any good that I can do let me do it now for I shall not pass this way again. St. Ambrose

We must work tirelessly for man to be fully alive.

Robb,

I haven't, but I will!

Now, if y'all'll just c'mon over. Today's task in spreading gravel in the new wallkway. I've got enough shovels and rakes for EVERYBODY!

-T

Keep slingin' it folks!

Hajji, what is really strange about the arrest of these "holocaust deniers" is that they aren't even denying it, they are historians, not Nazis or white supremacists with an ax to grind. They have found many instances of innaccurate and erroneous information about that sad part of history that brings into question the claims of soap and lampshades made of human remains and the cause of most of the deaths in those camps. As I said, the Red Cross released a report in opposition to many of those claims. What is it that people hate about knowing the truth? Are they bound and determined to repeat the same mistakes of history over and over again because the truth is too much to bear?

Saladin,

So it would appear...

https://secure.reopen911.org/freedvd.php

"OK J-Dub, with civlity, lets engage.

What would you do different than what Bush is doing in Iraq.

What is your plan, if any, for border control.?

What is your plan, if any, to reduce dificits?

Be civil, I want to engage new ideas, and have a reason for being here."

Even a total jackass homophobe like yourself deserves a second chance, so here it is.

Even though you have not provided any answers yourself(hypocrite, anyone?) I will be the "bigger man" and do unto you as I would have you do unto me and answer, briefly as possible, your questions.

Let's see if you can be a "man of your word" and keep civil as you promised.

1.)Iraq--I wouldn't have invaded, so we have to start there. What would I do differently now, part of it is what he is beginning to do and level with the public about the percentage of terrorists, versus nationalists. He did finally admit, that they comprise the smallest, yet most lethal faction of our "competition" for creating a sattelite State in Iraq. I would also giv ethe Generals on the ground the number of troops they needed, and institute a draft to ensure that ALL AMERICANS shared equally in the sacrifices. But to be honest, I don't believe the American public would respond well to a draft and that it would only create more division here at home, which is why I wouldn't have invaded under such sketchy circumstances.

I would have prepared my "intel group" and peppered them amongst Iraqi society long in advance of launching any invasion also so as to ensure that my guys were embedded amongst the enemy that was soon to emerge(at least to me it was obvious).

2.)Border control--I don't see a problem here and neither does Bush which is why he doesn't want to do anything about "securing our borders." If we truely are the greatest nation on Earth, then it is only logical that others who don't live in the greatest nation on Earth will want to come here however they can, and once here they will need to work to support themselves, or else go into crime. I would use the National Guard to do more border patrol rather than send them to Iraq and other countries to fight battles they were never trained for and would never have volunteered for.

3.)I assume you meant "dEfecits." I would eliminate loopholes that allow corporations to incorporate offshore, like Halliburton and tons of others do to avoid paying their fair share, I would also roll back the Bush tax cuts for the uberwealthy, they have no trouble paying that extra little bit and receive the most benefits of living here in Amercia as they can afford to enjoy the greatest our country has to offer while 99% of us can not even afford to take legitimate vacations any more for more than a short period of time. Accountability would do wonders for our economy and pare down the defecit.

I would also legalize and tax marijuana, this would cut down the overburdened prison system, elevate federal revenues, and introduce a world of underground cash back into the federal coiffeures. Don't tell me there would be negative consequences like teen pregnancy or lazy MFs who don't want to work as marijuana is readiy avialble, the money is already changing hands, but nobody is paying taxes at the high level, you know, the growers. I imagine it would generate more revenue than the tech bubble did, only it wouldn't burst, it would continue to flourish forever.

Those are just a few of my most basic ideas.

And to the yahoos who claim us lefties would need your help in a fight and that BS about us "hurting troop morale" and all. I, this lowly lefty, am a disciple of Brazilian juijitsu, a former kickboxer also. My dad is Navy, my sister Air Force and her son a Marine who has been to Iraq twice now and none of them have claimed my opinions hurt their morale.

I'll take their word over your hyperbole any day of the week, and I'll kick that bar fools ass every time, too, I don't need your for protection, especially since I no longer start fights, having long ago got over that immature desire. Might as well measure dick size, it proves just as much, nothing.

Finally, I find it amusing how the rightwing loves to cite poll numbers from polls who won't release how their poll was conducted, but are quick to dismiss any other polls that don't conform with their preconceived notions about Iraq, like the miles of polls citing disapproval of the Presiden't handling of the war, the majority of Americans who feel we were not told the whole truth regarding the weaponry capabilities of Saddam, or that he was never a threat to his neighbors, let alone to us.

that's all.
for now.

The Neocon Jihad is evident.

How do you like it so far?????????????

David,

You must have seen Jane Hamsher's piece, A Few Questions For Viveca Novak.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/a-few-questions-for-vivec_b_11720.html

"Never mind the fact that Corn, approaching 50, uses the phrase "kick-ass" without irony as if he were still lighting a match at a Foghat concert."

I didn't take you for a Foghat fan.

Are you gonna take that sitting down?

Neil

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