Same old same old. Heard the speech at work on the radio. He doesn't sound any better even without the comical gestures we see on the boob tube.

Mr. Corn,
Thank you for your good analysis of pretzle boy speech.

As you stated last Friday on the Diane Rehm Show, Bush went into Iraq with no good way out.

What wasn't said in this speech today, is that we can expect to hear that as ground troops are pulled out more US led air strikes will be occuring with increasing civilian casualties and probable use of land mines.
Will those land mines be armed with depleted uranium? One shudders to conjecture.

Thanks again,
th

How long before the sign (with a picture of Cartman) sez. "Screw you guys, I'm goin' home!"

-not soon enough, I wager.

The Lib Dems have one problem here- It's there next choice for President-Hillary Clinton. Hillary went on record for defending her vote to go to war and wants us to stay the course until mission accomplished. She's turning out to be a real right wing hawk on the war. Sorry Cindy Sheenan, sorry David Corn!!!

Well, I'm really very encouraged now that I've heard from Laura.

On "Good Morning America," the Stepford First Lady said:

"It's really remarkable how far they've come," she said, "but I really feel very, very encouraged that we're going to see a very great ending when we see a really free Iraq right in the heart of the Middle East."

Meanwhile, her husband, the hood ornament, broke no new ground today in his "stay the course" speech at Annapolis.

I am really, really tired of being insulted by those morons in the Cheney/Bush regime.

Gee Baf,
Hillary has the best of both worlds! She is supporting the president while not being the one who started this war. It is Bushes baby and to our (dems) advantage. Hope you don't mind a dem babe as your next commander and I mean commander! And I hope you still support this war in 2008.

Let's call the "insurgency" what it really is:

It is a bunch of pissed-off Iraqi citizens that have witnesses arbitrary "collateral damage" murder of their sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, aunts, uncles in the hands of a military operation that jusfifies lobing wayward bombs from the sky into their cities, towns, and neighborhoods.

Put yourself in their shoes. What would you do if your inocent family member died due to a wayward bullet or missile. How would anybody feel if their family member was victim to "collateral damage"... Would you file a complaint with the UN? Or would you take matters into your own hands.

Gil

My name is Lori Berenson. I am a New York born and raised political prisoner in Peru. I have spent many years in Central and South America, trying to contribute to the efforts of those who seek social justice for all. I continue this work from prison.

On November 30, 1995, I was pulled off of a public bus in Lima, Peru. Like thousands of Peruvians, I was detained by the anti-terrorist police, tried for treason by a hooded military tribunal under draconian anti-terrorism laws and condemned to life in prison.

Read the rest of Lori's statement on the 10th Anniversary of her arrest.

the only thing that will end this disaster is for Congress to cut off funding. the more our elected reps hear from us, the less likely they can continue to support-politically or financially-a failed policy and a failed president.

But David, didn't you hear they DID find the WMD'S! Newsmax said so! Check it out:

According to the Newsmax email (apparently it's on behalf of Human Events, another Republican rag, and they're pushing some new book that exposes the media's bias - uh huh), we learn that we've discovered in Iraq:
1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents

Chemical warheads containing cyclosarin (a nerve agent five times more deadly than sarin gas)

Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas

This is only a PARTIAL LIST of the horrific weapons verified to have been recovered in Iraq to date.
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It's only a matter of time until they uncover the nukes! And as for the saddamists trying to regain power, I read we are employing those very same forces to commit the very same atrocities. Bad when saddam abuses people, good when we do. 400 tons of DU used so far, that is considered a WMD, and it's being used against a civilian population, but then, that's just SOOO American!

Regarding: National Strategy for Victory in Iraq":

Bush and his puppeteers should consult the dictionary for the definition of STRATEGY, because they do not seem to understand the meaning. They do have some sort of "goal" but certainly not a strategy:

strat-e-gy:

1 a (1) : the science and art of employing the political, economic, psychological, and military forces of a nation or group of nations to afford the maximum support to adopted policies in peace or war (2) : the science and art of military command exercised to meet the enemy in combat under advantageous conditions b : a variety of or instance of the use of strategy
2 a : a careful plan or method : a clever stratagem b : the art of devising or employing plans or stratagems toward a goal

Regarding: National Strategy for Victory in Iraq":

Bush and his puppeteers should consult the dictionary for the definition of STRATEGY, because they do not seem to understand the meaning. They do have some sort of "goal" but certainly not a strategy:

strat-e-gy:

1 a (1) : the science and art of employing the political, economic, psychological, and military forces of a nation or group of nations to afford the maximum support to adopted policies in peace or war (2) : the science and art of military command exercised to meet the enemy in combat under advantageous conditions b : a variety of or instance of the use of strategy
2 a : a careful plan or method : a clever stratagem b : the art of devising or employing plans or stratagems toward a goal

David, I read you stuff for humor. Just one question, just what exactly is it that you stupid dumb fucks want. What will make you happy? Whne you answer those questions, you will understand that you are standing in a spew of the liberal minority of the american people. You keep saying that 60 percent of the people reject Bush. According to who? If you take a poll in the liberal spew then your numbers will be that of the liberal spew.

saladin

I guess chemical weapons, which Saddam has already used to kill millions of his own people don't count. No it's has to be that nuclear bomb in a silo. The Voelcer report said that Saddam was pursuing nuclear weapons and had the material to put one together after the UN inspectors stopped. It's sort of like you guy's need this visable picture of a nuke, like reading a book with all pictures because you can't concentrate on the finer details of words.

I am always bothered by the way Bush and Bush sympathizers constantly parade around this concept of "freedom" and a "free Iraq". They seem to be saying that since Saddam is out of power their natural inclination towards freedom is no longer oppressed. These routine door-to-door searches that sometimes bring important evidence but often do not, hardly support the concept of freedom. They are so culturally inappropriate that, alongside casualties of civillians, breeds incredible hatred. It is far from an "asalaam aleykum" (peace be on to you) that is the standard muslim way of greeting a person or party. Are we teaching these new Iraqi soldiers to act like the US soldiers, or are they being allowed to adapt such things to make them more culturally effective? With all said I have serious doubts, after living in a Muslim country for a few years, whether Iraqis would even seriously want a democracy.

DU weapons ARE nukes, and WE are the ones using it against civilians! What is it about that the bushbots fail to comprehend?? IDIOTS!!

New poll shows 70% of Americans believe that the negative comments by the Demorats (and you left wing cornuts) are hurting the morale of our troops and want it stopped!!! So in other words the American public is saying" Shut the F**k up!!"

The terrorists (I mean freedom fighters)
would like to thank you all personally by dedicating ther next beheading to all those cornuts that supported them through this ordeal.
They look forward to converting you into muslims and taking away womens rights(actually after reading Jeanne, Flan, Kathleen and Saladins comments that might not be a bad idea)and public executions. Happy Ramadan to all!!!

Thursday, November 24, 2005 Rescue efforts lead to arrest nightmare for N.O. businessman. Abdulrahman Zeitoun of New Orleans writes about his experiences rescuing storm victims, and about his arrest and ordeal on suspicion of terrorism and looting:

They brought us to the bus station. We saw lots and lots of military personnel with many different types of weapons/guns. They made us sit down and wait to be as they called it "processed". They took our fingerprints, and photos. They had us under maximum security. We did not know what was going on. There were guards from Angola and New York prisons that were running the bus station like a prison camp.

After processing us, they put us in a make shift chicken cage. Actually, it was the bus terminals that they turned into prison cells. It looked like a giant chicken cage. It was filthy dirty. They left us there for 3 days on this stinky, oily, filthy dirty floor. With no blankets or pillows. I swear, had we been in a prison in Afghanistan or Iraq, we would have been treated better. Somehow, I got a splinter the size of a tooth pick in my foot. It was the size of a tooth pick in width, and about half the length. It was getting infected, and caused me quite a bit of pain. I asked them if I could see a doctor. They refused me. Every day, I asked for a doctor. the splinter was lodged in my foot. I couldn't get it out. I saw a doctor helping other prisoners. I called out to him for help. He yelled at me in a very rude voice, that he was not a doctor. But he was a liar. He was a doctor. He was wearing green clothes, and he had a stethoscope. No one would help me.

On the third day I was in this hell hole, they fed us an MRE that came with a small glass bottle of Tabasco. I broke that bottle on that nasty floor, picked up a shard of glass, then cut my foot open where the splinter was. The skin had grown over the splinter. My foot was infected. So much puss came out. Very painfully, I managed to get the splinter out. I squeezed out as much pus as I could, and hoped for the best. We would ask the soldiers why we were here. One would say because of looting, another would say because of terrorism, and another would say something else. They were trying to stick us with whatever they could.
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This is unbelievable. This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan, it is right here in the back yard. You've got to read this man's account of his experience with the goon squads of N.O.

Demonize to Colonize
by Ramsey Clark
November 29, 2005

they don't comprehend because for them it is all about left v. right - if their 'side' does or sez something, then it must be supported and justified no matter what -

From the article linked by Robert.

At least 35 nations have WMDs in their military stockpiles, the U.S. more than all others combined. The U.S. is planning a new generation of nuclear weapons, tactical weapons that would have been used against Iraq if the U.S. had possessed them in 2003. The U.S. used 4,000 tons, or more, of depleted uranium, super bombs in attempts to assassinate Saddam Hussein and cluster bombs to savage anyone within a large area, usually urban, where they were dropped.
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Why is it that America is completely immune to the same rules and laws we try to force on the rest of the world? Why is it OK for us to poison , maim and destroy everything that gets in our way but never do we face the consequences of those actions? A hard rains gonna fall on us, and it will make Katrina look like a light shower.

From the article linked by Robert.

At least 35 nations have WMDs in their military stockpiles, the U.S. more than all others combined. The U.S. is planning a new generation of nuclear weapons, tactical weapons that would have been used against Iraq if the U.S. had possessed them in 2003. The U.S. used 4,000 tons, or more, of depleted uranium, super bombs in attempts to assassinate Saddam Hussein and cluster bombs to savage anyone within a large area, usually urban, where they were dropped.
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Why is it that America is completely immune to the same rules and laws we try to force on the rest of the world? Why is it OK for us to poison , maim and destroy everything that gets in our way but never do we face the consequences of those actions? A hard rains gonna fall on us, and it will make Katrina look like a light shower.

Pentagon, intel pros tell Bush war cannot be won
By DOUG THOMPSON
Nov 30, 2005, 06:42

While President George W. Bush tells the American people that U.S. troops must stay in Iraq until they have achieved victory, Pentagon planners and intelligence professionals tell the White House the war cannot be won.

The President's speech tonight will be a con-job, says a senior Pentagon analyst who asked not to be identified. He will be attempting to sell a strategy that is not achievable and one that is not backed by the professionals who tell him otherwise.
In fact, experts say Bush can no longer rally Americans to support his failed far in Iraq.

The American people have turned against the war, and they're not turning back, said political analyst Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia. The public is no longer with the President on this issue.
But opposition to the President's policies also grows in the private corridors of the Pentagon and in the intelligence community where professionals in the art of waging war say the battle for Iraq is lost.

It's over, says a longtime analyst for the Central Intelligence Agency. Tt's been over since we declared a victory we didn't achieve and claimed to have accomplished a mission that was unfinished.
Bitterness grows within the military and intelligence establishment over Bush's unwillingness to listen to reason on Iraq. Analysts called to the White House to provide intelligence briefings on the situation in Iraq dread the trip to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue where an honest assessment of the war brings anger and sharp rebukes from a President who doesn't like to hear bad news.

It's a no-win situation, says one longtime Pentagon operative. If we provide an honest assessment of the situation the President blows his stack. He ignores our recommendations and then blames us when things go wrong.
A record number of senior officials at both the Pentagon and CIA have left in recent months, saying they are unable to deal with what they call The imperial Presidency of George W. Bush.
Republicans also grow increasingly nervous over Bush's stubbornness on Iraq and know the growing public opposition to the war is killing them politically.

If elections for Congress were being held next Tuesday, Republicans would lose both houses. The GOP knows it, says Sabato.

Other feel opposition to the war will continue to grow and, with it, increased demands that the U.S. withdraw..

"No matter how the questions are phrased, all the polls have logged increases in pro-withdrawal sentiment over the course of the war," says John Mueller, an expert on war and public opinion, based at Ohio State University. And that sentiment is inextricably linked to the growing belief that the war itself has been a mistake."
That belief the war itself has been a mistake is one shared by a growing number of those whose job it is to wage war, the pros at the Pentagon and in the intelligence community and the same pros that George W. Bush ignored in his headlong march into a losing war in Iraq.
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Now, how many are listening to O'Lielly?

Unbelievable...Lynne Cheney was on the Diane Rehm show this morning. She is absolutely frightening. Another compulsive liar gone wild.

She says that she is interested in history. And then right in front of the public she actually said that her husband has never linked 9/11 to Iraq. Diane Rehm really challenged her on this. Lynne actually said she was insulted by Diane's questions.

Go listen to the one hour it is well worth it.

Make sure folks do not buy any history book she writes or interprets....she is willing to to revise history/fact right before your eyes.

Mrs. Evil/ American Enterprise Institute.... GONE WILD....

911 victims' families call for the resignation of Philip Zelikow

who is Philip Zelikow? executive director of the 911 commission.

Bush is a liar. His speeches are bait and switch. He says one thing but he means something else. Never, ever, believe anything that Bush says.

#269 from the previous blog uses my name. I did not post #269. If any post puts Bush in the positive light, that should sent up a red flag. Here is where I stand. I loathe Bush and his entire cabal. Bush and his family and his cabal are evil people, very evil people.

9/11 Commission Executive Director Philip Zelikow has deep, lasting ties to several members of both the Bush I and Bush II Administrations. Any one of these connections could have been deemed sufficient to eliminate Zelikow from consideration on the basis of non-independence. Consider:

Zelikow was an aide to Brent Scowcroft, National Security Advisor to George H.W. Bush;
Zelikow was part of the Bush II transition team and worked closely with Condoleeza Rice, George W. Bush's National Security Advisor. As advisor to Rice, Zelikow would sit in on high-level meetings on the terror threat in early 2001.
1999 Zelikow co-authored a book with Rice, entitled "Germany Unified and Europe Transformed: A Study in Statecraft".
Zelikow was appointed to President Bush's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board in the aftermath of 9/11.

"Politics is a good thing!" is the slogan of Dr. Larry J. Sabato. According to the Wall Street Journal, Dr. Sabato is "probably the most quoted college professor in the land," while the Washington Post called him "the Mark McGwire of political analysts," he is dubbed by Fox News Channel as "America's favorite political scientist,"[...]

David as usual you hit the nail on the head.

What continues to be alarming is how long it takes the MSM to report what is going on in Iraq. The Christian Peace Maker Team reported that there were death squad killings and kidnappings being conducted against Sunnis.. by people in Iraqi police uniforms taking place 6 months ago. They take their reports to the U.S. military , just as they did with detainee torture reports, before we ever heard about Abu Gharib in the MSM.

You might want to get on the CPT LIST of my friend Peggy Gish who is on her way back to Iraq for her 7th time. We receive weekly letters from her. The Christian Peace maker team is way ahead(generally during this war their reports are 3-6 months ahead of the MSM in regard to what is going on over there.

Be back on tonight. Thanks for all of the reading and research that people do.

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

Mr. baf, the liberal spew cannot keep you from seeing your local recruiter, or sending a good portion of your income direct to the Pentagon. They just can't!
Until you do something which indicates your support of the war is more than allegorical or metaphorical, can you blame me if I consider you full of hot air?
You can't just run your mouth, you've got to give Bush the fodder, men and money, he needs to continue his war. So why wait? If you act now you could be shakin' and bakin' and waterboardin' in just a few months!
Your refusal to supply Bush with the things needful to continue the war will bring the war to a halt faster than all the liberal spew in the country. So what are you waiting for? An engraved invitation?

Sorry Kathleen, I can't stand to even LOOK at those psychos, much less listen to the noxious poison they spew!

Just wait in a couple of weeks we will have another reason for being in Iraq, it is christmas and the unbleivers have to have santa claus or some such crap from the bushbots. DU is a WMD by the definition, White Phosphorus use against troops or civilians constitutes a violation of the rules of land warfare. Lots of little things to overlook when you are trying to impose a government on people that aren't even wanting to have our version of corportacracy shoved down their throat and when they resist, well it is those pesky terrorists that hate our freedom which by the way is eroded daily by the criminals in the white house. How many reasons has doofus given since he thought up this clusterfuck? If he had a clue he would take it out and play with it. Laura? She can't pass up the xanax bottle in order to put up with this clown, how does she know anything? Is she getting the PDB these days, those long words making georgie confused? If you believe any of the lies that spews from these clowns then you deserve the country you are getting. Wait until the first of January and watch the economy totter towards collapse, going to be fun to watch, enjoy your new lifestyle.

From that bastion of liberals, The Financial Times:

US paying Iraqi press to run favourable stories
By Mark Mazzetti and Borzou Daragahi
Published: November 30 2005 08:16 | Last updated: November 30 2005 08:16

As part of an information offensive in Iraq, the U.S. military is secretly paying Iraqi newspapers to publish stories written by American troops in an effort to burnish the image of the U.S. mission in Iraq.

The articles, written by U.S. military information operations troops, are translated into Arabic and placed in Baghdad newspapers with the help of a defense contractor, according to U.S. military officials and documents obtained by the Los Angeles Times.

Many of the articles are presented in the Iraqi press as unbiased news accounts written and reported by independent journalists. The stories trumpet the work of U.S. and Iraqi troops, denounce insurgents, and tout U.S.-led efforts to rebuild the country.

While the articles are basically truthful, they present only one side of events and omit information that might reflect poorly on the U.S. or Iraqi governments, officials said. Records and interviews indicate that the U.S. has paid Iraqi newspapers to run dozens of such articles -- with headlines such as Iraqis Insist on Living Despite Terrorism--- since the effort began this year.

The operation is designed to mask any connection with the U.S. military. The Pentagon has a contract with a small Washington-based firm called Lincoln Group, which helps translate and place the stories. The Lincoln Group's Iraqi staff, or its subcontractors, sometimes pose as freelance reporters or advertising executives when they deliver the stories to Baghdad media outlets.

Mooser #30

A good portion of my income does go to the Pentagon. This is because unlike lefties like you who are too lazy to work and want more welfare, I own my own business and pay alot of taxes. I problably even pay for your food stamps, health care, police, fire, housing and someone to change your diaper once a day. Maybe someday when your brain fully develops, you to could make a worth while contribution to society as well.

Chimpy does it again, select a forum of subordinates who agree with him and proceed to act like he cares. It is a weak attempt to silence his critics. Meanwhile nothing changes. We are led to believe he cares? Give it up chimpy, we see through your BS and refuse to accept it. World domination is the game not "spreading democracy". Maybe, just maybe, our represenatives will grow some stones and impeach the whole bunch for crimes against humanity, before it's too late. I'm with you Gerald, these yahoos ARE the embodiment of evil.

Is is a Christmas Tree or Holiday Tree to you people? I don't understand what the difference is. Have a Merry spending holiday, everybody! Isn't that what is really is all about?

One of the many tragedies of this war is the complete distrust that can now be felt concerning the White House and the president. There is no policy at this point, whether sincere or not which I believe. Nothing Bush says is to be believed. I have lost complete confidence in this White House. And just when I believe my assessment could go no lower this white house somehow manages to achieve the impossible they lower my assessment further.
The old line about Bush being the worst president ever is insignificant when you look at what bush and his administration is doing to the country and the world.
It isn't just me who feels this distrust. Whether people consciously realize the distrust or not it is there. We have no leadership.
Worst president, who cares?
Criminal, I care.

#34
Baf,
So, how much does a lemonade stand take in during the winter months?

jeanne # 38

Come on Jeanne, you can do better than that!! This is why you lefties are stuck in dead in jobs-you just can't think outside the box. Hell, I bet my kids could make more money than you lefties selling lemonade. But hen who going to pay to have your diapers changed?

More background on what Saladin posted above....from Editor & Publisher

Report: U.S. Planting Propaganda in Iraqi Press

"The military's information operations campaign has sparked a backlash among some senior military officers in Iraq and at the Pentagon who argue that attempts to subvert the news media could destroy the U.S. military's credibility in other nations and with the American public."

Looks like Cindy Sheenan has made the NYT worst seller list.

Cindy is very upset at the AP showing a picture of a dejected Cindy waiting for someone to show up so she could sign one of her books. Cindy says there were a least 100 people in Crawford to protest and she made a whopping $2,000 on her book signing. Wow! that peace movement is just rolling along at warp speed!!! Where's Martin Sheen when you need him? Is her 15 minutes of fame up or is the public just sick of all those 1960's rejects?

The Lincoln Group, formed in 1999, is "a D.C.-based business 'intelligence' company that handles services from 'political campaign intelligence' to commercial real estate in Iraq."

The Lincoln Group is the outfit planting the stories in Iraq news outlets. Great. Fascism brought to a Middle East country courtesy of the busheviks. Oh, wait. Democracy is right around the corner....

"Lincoln is working with US and overseas corporations and organizations to develop an in-country capability in Baghdad and Basra. Located both at the center of power and the commercial gateway of the country, Lincoln will act as a central clearinghouse for businesses seeking to do business in Iraq. Lincoln will provide the information, research, and contacts necessary to develop and grow business within the country. Lincoln will also provide a threat and risk assessment service through its ASP service, allowing clients to understand and mitigate the perceived security risk and dangers present in country."

Baf's name is missing a character, it should read B-A-R-F. which is precisely what one does after being poisoned by their BS.

Justifying your hatred of fellow Americans based on your income level is ignorance run amok. There is no correlation between income and morality, honesty OR integrity, 3 qualities which you completely lack. You have degraded women in your comments, you have attacked fellow Americans with different viewpoints on the roles of Government, and you have embarassed yourself thoroughly.

Keep rehearsing those GOP talking points, the more you repeat the mantra, the more believable the lie becomes.

Ignorance is bliss.

Ignorance isn't bliss...it's bizniss as usual.

These fascists are everywhere...Christian Bailey, a corporate officer at the Lincoln Group, is also affiliated with Lead21.org -- they are part of the effort working night and day for a one-party fascist system in the United States, IMO.
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"Since its inception in Fall 2001, Lead21 has been doing its part to cultivate the next generation of business leaders committed to building a dynamic future for the Republican Party."; Christian Bailey is a member of the Board of Directors (http://www.lead21.org/page4.html).

It is amazing to me the utter refusal of the left, the right, and the media in general to acknowledge the existence of PNAC, who its members are, and the following statements which layout the desires of the 'cabal' that is ruining our country:

"From an American perspective, the value of such bases would endure even should Saddam pass from the scene. Over the long term, Iran may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests in the Gulf as Iraq has. And even should U.S.-Iranian relations improve, retaining forward-based forces in the region would still be an essential element in U.S. security strategy given the longstanding American interests in the region.

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

If PNAC's stated goals are not brought to the forefront we will continue to miss the larger stated goals of this administration. The left will be appeased through limited troop withdrawals, and this administration will continue to stay in power.

Proving that not only were we lied to about Iraq 'intelligence', but that it was part of a larger stated plan by this administration is imperative.

The Bush administration was not surprised on 9/11, not caught off guard or scrambling, but responded immediately with the intent to go into Iraq, not Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, but Iraq. They were not surprised on 9/11, because it was a necessary part of their larger stated plans.

And in two years, when Iraq is a non-issue, and fully engaged with a democratic country supporting the war on terror, you corrnuts will simply forget all this disrespectfully unamerican cowardly language you use now, and move on to the next trashing.

It would not matter how detailed Bush gets, you all would simply find it inadquate.

The Iraq war is a necessary, noble and soon to be won battle in the war on terror.

"Those who can not see the hand of god in this, are blind sir blind". TJ Jackson, valley campaign, 1862

What James said!

Winston Smith imagined his nation's forces sweeping into the enemy continent, a classic propaganda movie with cartoon arrows indicating the direction of troop movement. Everything is going well and it is all for a good cause. I love Big Brother. If it were somehow possible to meld the mind of the state with my own, so that my thoughts would be entirely those of the state, I would do it. I have no desire to think for myself, to explore the world outside the boundaries set by Big Brother. I know my nation is flawless, a shining beacon unto all, and I am but an instrument of this great entity. I do its bidding without haste or question, because I love Big Brother.

micki, it appears this administration has a full blown ministry of propaganda to quell the masses. But it's starting to look like the masses are becoming restless.

And when you see, in time, the over-flow effect, of building that democracy, that will lead to a victory on the war on terror, the sedation of militant Islam, you will ignore it, and go on to the next trashing.

GIVE IT UP, you lost in 04, and that aint going change. Hero Bush will protect your ungrateful butts, undeservably so.

You are correct, no matter what Bush says, it wont matter to the cornnuts, you all are locked into bashing mentality, and that is a waste.

Fortunately, Bush is in charge, victory will be our, while most Americans understand the need for victory there, as part of the war on terror.

But keep it up, I am still looking for someone to convince that the war on terror should be a criminal prosecution, rather than the global clash of cultures.

Any takers? Didnt think so.

Shallow, empty, lacking in vision, cry-baby, wanting for a better plan, and can only smear, is the hallmark of a cornnut.

mookie, if you read the story I posted about the N.O. hero turned looter/terrorist by the goon squads, you will have a very good idea of how close big brother really is. Add to that the FL. ACLU has declared that bands of roaming storm troopers staging mock exercises at banks, malls, on busses and trains, threatening people in any and all public places with automatic weapons designed to harrass and frighten everyone is in no way a violation of anyone's rights, that it is just what the constitution had in mind for our police force, so says the ACLU. Welcome to 1984.

With that kind of protection Derrick we'll all be speaking arabic by the next election cycle.

How well did that idiot protect the WTC or the Pentagon?

Or is there more to the text of My Pet Goat that I am missing?

And that's a kinder, gentler, oops; I mean compassionate conservative jackboot on yer neck.

Israel imported twenty tonnes of Norwegian heavy water in 1959, pledging peaceful use and on-site inspection. This past March, Norway finally requested inspection after repeated reports that Israel was making atomic bombs. A week or so ago, Israel turned Norway down. Israel said it was too difficult to distinguish Norway's heavy water from other heavy water it had imported, and thus Norway's water couldn't be tracked. Israel refused to say who the other exporters were.

Israel has thus set a precedent. It has become the first country in history to break the inspection pledge on a nuclear import.

Now, Norway must decide what to do. It should keep the following facts in mind:

Heavy water in tonne quantities is used only in reactors. There is only one reactor in Israel that uses heavy water, the one at Dimona. It was built secretly by France in the late 1950s and started in 1963. It is Israel's only source of plutonium, a nuclear weapon material. The CIA says Israel has been building atomic bombs with plutonium since 1968.

In 1963 when Dimona started, there were only two sources of heavy water in the world: the United States and Norway. France and Canada planned to produce heavy water, but French production did not begin until 1968, and Canada was a heavy water importer until the late 1970s. Israel produced heavy water only in laboratory quantities. Therefore, it was physically impossible to start Dimona without U.S. or Norwegian heavy water.

Israel imported four tonnes of U.S. heavy water in 1963, under inspection. It has imported none since. This was not enough to start Dimona, which required at least eighteen tonnes. Therefore, most of Dimona's water had to be Norwegian.

Canada has never exported any heavy water to Israel.

By 1968, when France began to make its own heavy water, France required inspection of all its nuclear exports. There is no French heavy water under inspection in Israel. Thus, France never sent Israel any French heavy water.

Therefore all the heavy water Israel has ever imported has come from Norway except the four tonnes from the United States. This means that there is no factual basis for Israel's claim that it received heavy water from diverse sources, or that it cannot identify Norway's heavy water.

When heavy water is irradiated in a reactor, tritium is formed in it. The tritium cannot be totally removed. Thus, it is possible to determine with certainty whether Norway's heavy water has been in a reactor.

If Norway's water has been in a reactor -- which could only be Dimona -- Norway has the right to inspect any plutonium the reactor makes to insure that it has not been put into bombs. This right was given by the 1959 agreement.

Reactors such as Dimona only lose about .5% of their heavy water each year. This means that if Norway's water went into Dimona -- which is inevitable -- about eighty percent of it is still there after twenty four years of operation.

What do these facts show? At least, they show Israel's response for what it is: a fabrication. Israel knows precisely how much heavy water it got from Norway, where the heavy water is, and what has been done with it. Israel also knows what it did with the heavy water it got from the United States. Israel's refusal to account for what happened to the water has no basis. It is a clear breach of the 1959 agreement and entitles Norway to remedies.

The agreement says explicitly that Norway can get its heavy water back if Israel refuses inspection. Retrieving heavy water is simple -- it is shipped in barrels. Its loss to Israel would probably shut down the Dimona reactor, the key to Israel's nuclear weapon program.

Should Norway demand its water back? If it doesn't, it must watch helplessly while Israel uses it to make atomic bombs. If it does, it will take a stand that other suppliers must support. The entire world nuclear trade is based on the assumption that importers will not break the inspection pledge. If countries could import nuclear materials under the pledge, and then break it, the nuclear supplier countries would simply be selling bomb factories. Not even the United States could endorse such a breach. If Norway wanted to, it could embarrass Israel and isolate it diplomatically.
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This is from an article written in 1987 by Gary Milhollin for the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms control. Seems Israel's motto is "do as we say, not as we do."

"Shallow, empty, lacking in vision, cry-baby, wanting for a better plan, and can only smear, is the hallmark of a cornnut."

"you corrnuts will simply forget all this disrespectfully unamerican cowardly language you use now, and move on to the next trashing. "

"it wont matter to the cornnuts, you all are locked into bashing mentality,"

wow, the hypocrisy just drips out of every sentence you spew forth.

When somoene can't handle opposing viewpoints in a rational manner and is forced to spew hatred verbally, they lost their "battle" long before it began.

terrorism is a law enforcement issue, they commit crimes, which require punsishment. Terrorism is a tactic of those who feel they have no political voice.

IF we quit elevating Osama bin Laden with our own words, and simply pointed out to the world that he is a cowardly criminal in need of being brought to justice we might have convinced those who protect and harbor him into giving him up. Instead, we launched missilies into the homes of inncocents and parents watched their children burn before their very eyes. That hardly convinced them of the justness of our casue, now did it?

Here's a history lesson for you.

We terrorized the Brittish into giving us our country, when that failed, we leaned on the French for help, after we terrorized the Native American Indians into giving up their lands, of course.

j dub #43

I don't degrade women, as Hajji would say- just ignorant sluts. I can repeat what Hajji said, right?

Not to worry in the next twenty years India and China will be the financial powerhouses, and the americans will be lucky to have food and a roof over their heads, they will finally learn the meaning of third world economy, gone are the days of easy credit and wal mart shopping, yup, just wait and enjoy your new lifestyle as your jobs and kids are sent overseas to feed the corpotocracy that is in charge, shrub is a sock puppet and the bush bots no better than sad followers of their own demise. What can you expect with public school education and when they learn to spell and actually construct a cogent argument then they may have some place in the discussion. Until then they are background noise to the real issues. Distraction is a repug tactic. Get ready, change is coming.

j dub #50

I was just reading your post and thought it was a press release from the DNC (it was the shallow, hallow, lacking vision part)You were actually starting to make sense and then you had to go and add your own thoughts, it went all to hell from there. Maybe we could give the Iraqi's some good old fashioned tax free Gambling Casino's to get even. Seems to be working well for the terrorised American Indians.

BARF--at least I can see the zits on my own face (metaphor for our nation's history) and call them zits.

It doesn't make me a hater of our country to admit that the tactics under which it was founded would be called terrorism by our current leaders.

And I don't have to call you names to expose your BS, you do it quite well on your own.

J-dub, you're leaving crumbs out for the cockroaches!

WTF, I found this great idea for a Christmas gift for the kiddies. A great way to prepare them for their very near future!

Apocalyptic Video Game Features Global Government Takeover

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet | November 30 2005

A new video game now available for X Box and PC depicts an apocalyptic vision of America after the year 2008 where terror attacks carried out by anti-government militias force the European Union to send in an occupying army.

Shattered Union has the player take control of one of seven different warring factions. After a dictator is installed as president in 2008, society gradually collapses into anarchy with a series of terror attacks carried out by domestic militia groups against the government. The result of this chaos is that the EU votes to occupy the United States with a 'peacekeeping force' which is strongly resisted by the population. Civil war ensues in the following years, including a nuclear strike on Washington DC.

We have reported multiple times on similar video games released that portray 'Patriots' and anti-government groups as terrorists who need to be eliminated.

This leaves the very strong impression that when all hell breaks loose it will be 'anti-government insurgents' carrying out terrorist attacks. In reality the real face of terror is always state sponsored as we have endlessly documented on this website.

However, the game depicts scenes of martial law with troops pointing guns at American citizens' heads. The player can enlist the help of the national guard or the Russians to quell the dissent. To a new generation of youngsters growing up on these video games what does that teach them? That a domestic military dictatorship is inevitable and that anti-government terrorists will have to be dealt with by using extreme force?

Last week we featured a short article about the game Battlefield 2, where players "fight for the new world order" in battling against domestic insurgents. These types of games have become part of a growing trend in the last few years and one that should worry us in light of the fact that MTV, movie and sports stars, video games and popular culture have all but replaced parents as the guardian of a child's moral compass.

Although the different factions are at war with each other and the EU occupation, the website sardonically describes the anti-EU Texas Republic faction as, "beer swilling cowboys" and a "gun toting rabble," and remarks that "the Republic of Texas was just one excuse away from existing since the formation of Texas itself."

Video games of this nature are conditioning a generation to believe that when bedlam breaks loose, martial law is the solution and that anti-government groups are terrorists hell bent on destruction.
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I'm sure the drooling bushbots will give their frenzied approval! Get 'em while they're young.

j dub

As I posted ealier, 70% of the American public does think you're a hater along with the incompentant Dems in Congress and you're putting our troops in harms way- yes you-not Bush!! So how does it feel getting our troops killed or mamed because of your hate?

#35 DEN, I do not feel good calling someone evil but if we study Bush's life behavior, the pattern is one of evil deeds.

#40 micki, my wife mentioned your post to me this morning.

Saladin, micki, and DEN, Bush's cabal sends forth stories of butterflies and flowers. Life must be wonderful on Cherry Blossom Lane for all Americans and Iraqis.

Dont you just love REID-D(NV), with his "same old" line "same old line" that he used to attach Bush. Curiously, he has not the balls, like most cornnuts, and wont give us HIS PLAN. All he (you) can do is degrade, without any constructive input, with no vision with no an alternative course or plan, other than Murdhul's Surrender Idea. At least Murdhal showed his ture colors (white), whereas REID wont even put up a flag.

Get it? Didnt think so.

Come on gang, give me something you would do different?? Any thinkers in here? Surrender is an option of course, but you all wont admit to your cowardness that is what you all want, to hide in your cave and hope the boggie man wont terrorize you next, otherwise, you provide YOUR PLAN. If you all dont have a PLAN, how can you even be credible (REID) to attack the president plan, which is not difficult to figure out, Political(democracy)-Economical(infrastrutucre rebuilding-Military(standdown standup)

Why would Liberman (D) CT, say, from four actual visits there, there is a plan, and it is working. He of course was my fav dem in 04, but you all picked the peace-guy at a time of war, as really stupid, I will never figure that one out.

COME ON, lets here your alternative plan ....

Got one? didnt think so

All ya do is smear smear smear and slap each other on the back for it, having absolutely no positive discussions or constructive input.

Why are you cornnuts so depleted of any individual contructive input to FUTURE course of action? (Because David has trained you to only look backward and smear, kinda like a fag, learned decadent behavior)

OK FAGs, give it up, repent your sins, and join the FUTURE, and provide a constructive course of action?

Anyone????? didnt think so

SALADIN--sorry, my bad, I should know better than to feed the trolls.

It's just too much fun watching them rant and rave for page after page saying absolutely nothing of consequence.

They namecall, they lie, they refuse to debate or listen to reason or treat others with respect.

They certainly don't do unto others as they would have others do unto them.

does that mean they are anti-Jesus and hate the Lord, because according to their logic, they do.

#63 Saladin, do you recall in one of my posts that the USA will expand departments by at least five cabinet positions and one of the departments will involve boot camp for boys and girls. The reason is to have a never ending flow of bodies to be killed for the Bush wars.

Can a Third Party Save Us From a Neocon Doom?
Robert Schumacher

There are clearly two distinct entities within the GOP today, that of the neocons, and that of the conservative nationalists. These two entities cannot logically exist in the same party for long Рit's like a mixture of oil and water and will separate on its own once the bottle stops shaking. So what is constantly shaking the bottle into confusion? Entities such as Fox News Corp, Rush Limbaugh, and other mass media outlets are how this is done. In frightening lockstep with one another, the major media players of the western world have all seemingly agreed to support the neocons, no matter how false or bloody their polices become. It is difficult to find anyone willing to challenge the policies of this administration in the mainstream media. Events and news all seem to be following the same script handed down from on high, all of it promoting the dastardly policies of men and women who desire to change the order of the world. Their "New order" would remove the power of destiny from the people of all free nations, and lock it away into hidden, unelectable, and unaccountable power combinations of industry and finance. These people have been trying to fool all of the people all of the time, and of course, this cannot be done for long.

Neoconservatism is a parasite that latched onto the Republican party, grew inwardly, and came to lodge itself at its head. Neocons attempted to force the GOP power base into doing its bidding, so long as the GOP voters are willing to accept their manipulations. How often do you hear the neocons in the Bush administration say: We had a clear mandate from the people to invade Iraq. . .or pass the patriot act. . .or whatever demonic villainy has gone on in the filthy god-forsaken pits of torture and abuse that "enemy combatants" have disappeared into for YEARS. It is inevitable that this ruse fall apart, and with it may come a major fracture in the republican party. It is an earthquake that may change the face of the American political landscape forever, and allow us to sweep away these years of neocon corruption and terror that has stained our name across the whole world.
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Like I said, evil demons from outer space, using that cookbook Robert mentioned! This is a very good article.

With that kind of protection Derrick we'll all be speaking arabic by the next election cycle.
How well did that idiot protect the WTC or the Pentagon?

Not very well in my book, but I lay most of the blame on Dem for cutting intel budget over last 15 years. But, Bush has to take responsibility for it as it occur on his watch, those in was in his first year. I am not giving Bush a pass on this, but would not go so far as you corrnut and call him a murderer, terrorist, etc, as is your extreme wants, but rather look at things in a balanced way, aportioning blame reasonably, but you all are not reasonably, so there ya go.

Gerald, isn't that known as the JROTC? Maybe they decided that video games would be more effective at brain washing.

They namecall, they lie, they refuse to debate or listen to reason or treat others with respect.

OK J-Dub, with civlity, lets engage.

What would you do different than what Bush is doing in Iraq.

What is your plan, if any, for border control.?

What is your plan, if any, to reduce dificits?

Be civil, I want to engage new ideas, and have a reason for being here.

Cabinet Positions

I have stated in previous posts that the repugnants will remain in office through the 21st century. Repugnants are known for expanding government and taxing the middle class. Here are the next cabinet positions within the next three to five years -- Department of Prostitution, Department of Cultivation, Department of Plowfields, Department of Military Boot Camp, and the Department of Stabilization of Military Forces.

Let me start with the Department of Cultivation. This department will oversee pregnancies that will be terminated at certain time periods in the woman's womb. Fetus body parts are worth between $4,000 and 7,000. The pregnancy would be aborted after 8, 12, 16 weeks, etc. for certain fetus body parts, such as a limb, skin, retina, heart, brain, gonads, etc. With more and more people being added to the poor class people will have to supplement their wages and this will be a perfect way to add money for them. With cuts in welfare and food stamps women will need more money.

The Department of Plowfields is for women who are citizens, legal, or illegal immigrants. Certain women will be designated for pregnancy duty or military duty. The embryonic stem cells will be implanted in the womb of the women for full term pregnancy. Babies born under this department will be contracted for military services. The woman will give up her baby at the age of twelve.

At age twelve the young boy or girl will enter military boot camp. These children will be property of the Department of Military Boot Camp. Schooling will continue but courses will be slanted toward military terminology, such Body Dismemberment 101, Grenades 201, Advanced Body Dismemberment 401, Killing 151, Advanced Killing 451, Torture 110, etc. By the time these twelve years old children are eighteen they will truly be lean, mean, fighting machines. Reinstatement of the military draft will be unnecessary.

At fighting age the men and women will be part of the Department of Stabilization of Military Forces. This department will have the numbers where these men and women can be deployed for military duty to fight in the Bush family's endless wars. There will always be a known number of troops for war which can be ready to expand America's evil empire.

Many of the men and women who are members of the new military armed services will not be permitted to marry. There needs like sex will be satisfied through the Department of Prostitution. Men and women in this department will be recruited as prostitutes to satisfy the needs of our new military armed services. These men and women will also supplement their salaries as military prostitutes. Male prostitutes will be available to impregnate any woman who wants her child to be part of the Department of Plowfields. There is a saying that the military marches on its stomach. Let us not forget the sex is also a powerful motivator. A person with more medals can have more sex partners to satisfy their needs.

These new departments will help make America ready for endless wars. People who will be involved in these departments will know ahead of time what their function and duties will be. Men and women in the new military armed services will have an out date of sixty-eight years of age. There will always be an army in waiting to fight the endless Bush family wars.

Brock (aka DMR), your spelling has deterioriated! In fact, it is atrocious! For claiming to be a member of mensa, you sure make yourself look stooooooooopid.

(PS sorry, Saladin, I couldn't resist. I promise I won't say anything to him again.)

mikie, is that it? You can only slam?

A lefty friend of mine said you all needed an education, but it seems youre locked in.
Well, I guess that says it all.
You all HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER, only degrading smears.

M,

I did jump into David Corn, but found that the cornnuts can only smear based on speculation and conjecture and biased interpretation. Telling is of course that when I ask for there FUTURE course of action, I get a blank. So I am done with these useless vermen.

D

It's kinda like getting on an elevator as someone, smiling slyly, gets off... Only after the doors close and you breath in do you realize that the guy that got off before you was smiling with relief...

-T

Hey Gerald that's been done before, it was called Nazis, Hitler youth, Gestapo, and the memorable SS, of course this time it would be different names but fascist controlled by the self proclaimed saviors of the world.

It's good to see David's fan club has grown to 9 or 10 ten now with J Dub. I'm sure Davids excited. Why are only the women on this site willing to debate us mean neo-cons? I guess Robert S, Capt, Hajji, Dewp, Den and whoever else needs their women to fight for them. That's OK, except I think I am starting to hurt their feelings and I feel bad now. Can't one of you guy's step up to the plate and help out your friends here?

Ok, I admit, Bush lied. But it was for our own good! When it helps us to fight against terrorists, because you lefties fail to see a clear and present danger, then it's worth it! Clinton lied about a b/j and you certainly didn't MIND then! What's a few thousand soldier's deaths to a noble cause? Iraqi citizens??... those are just ragheads anyway. Who gives a shit?!! Bush is doing God's work and you should be praying for his success instead of being the traitors all of you are. Everybody lies, including me, so what's the big deal?

On the Lighter Side

The sole purpose of a child's middle name is so he can tell when he's really in trouble.

I've learned that we are responsible for what we do, unless we are celebrities.

Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes.

I've learned that money doesn't buy class.

No one is perfect until you fall in love with them.

Opportunities are never lost; someone will take the ones you miss.

Nice try # 80

I ask for a man to step up to the plate and I get someone pretending to be a man. I know you trolls are afraid of me but come on, try something new at least!

#78 DEN, do you realize how far and hard Bush and his cabal are emulating Hitler and the Nazis? Yes, DEN, history does repeat itself. I wonder what America will follow up with in the 22nd century?

Looks like MoveOn.Org has been spanked for lying once again. It has decided to pull it's ad after mounting pressure. Only after being caught in yet another desperate attempt to trash the troops! Whoops!!

One fart bag gets off the elevator and another
gets on. Doesn't smell any different in here.

Haji, you will never get rid of the trolls, they sit around the computer, and while high on crack or whatever think they have intelligence. Please, let's move on. Think ahead of the current paradigm, we better figure out what is next. Instead of letting the liars and theives dictate the debate let's get ahead of them and figure out the next big idea that needs to be put forth. Pushing for america to be the great country is started out to be is great, but there needs to be something done about the education level in this country. Hell half of the trolls can't even spell nor form a correct sentence. What's up with that? They still think they have something going on with shrub, hell he is queer so are they. So let them have each other, bothers me not. If this country is going to compete against the chinese and the indians we better get our game on. Othewise we are distracted from the real threat and danger to our way of life. Mainly falling income and a failed economy. The next twenty five years will show whether we are going to stay a world power or be a footnote to history. If we don't get some leadership, real leadership we are doomed to be a failed country and just struggle to gain our place in the world. All the signs are there, stupid population and lack of innovation in our country. Letting our jobs be outsourced to other countries and benefitting the rich. The plight of the common man is our plight. If we don't get our act together it is over with. Look at history, something trolls know nothing about, and the empires and large powers all pass into history, how we do it is the mark of a great civilization. Right now we have a clown in charge so we are all seen as clowns, we need a real statesman, visionary to be in charge, and we don't have it with the current crop of hack politicians. Doomed I tell you, but hey , enjoy the new lifestyle. We have earned it.

Why are you cornnuts so depleted of any individual contructive input to FUTURE course of action? (Because David has trained you to only look backward and smear,....)

because failing to look back means acceptance of what has occurred....I, for one, refuse to sanction lies, distortions, exploitation, or even mistakes made for the sake of profit

kind of pointless to promote better education when we're up against this

If it weren't such a serious subject, I would be laughing at the challenges to "give me a future course of action" by certain (im)posters here.

One really tragic thing is that the so-called leader of the free world -- that would be GWB -- is much more interested in defusing the growing opposition to his war of choice, than he is to laying out a real plan of action for Iraqi sovereignty. Bush and his boyfriends are not facing the demonstrated fact that their war has made Iraq a breeding ground for terrorism.

I wonder if the busheviks will address the fact that the Iraqis who attended the recent meeting in Cairo said THEY want a timeline to end the U.S. occupation of Iraq? It is THEIR country, isn't it?

Today bush trotted out the same tired rhetoric about *freedom* to justify his continued occupation of Iraq. He did not offer a plan. He didn't offer solutions. As each day passes, the U.S. occupation is seen more as being oppressive than as a stepping-stone to freedom.

In one breath, bush hints at troop reductions, then backs off with more "stay the course" bullshit. If his handlers decide to lower the number of U.S. troops, in tandem with more air power -- shock and awe again? -- there will likely be more Iraqis killed. Is bush's plan as "simple" as thinking that the fewer U.S. troops killed, the more palatable his war becomes to Americans?

Looks to me, that that is possibly bush's "strategery" for *success* in Iraq. What a loser.

confidence: land of the free and home to the confident...errr, close enough

haha watch this short one

james wa

I for one, refuse to sanction lies , distortions, exploitation, or even mistakes made for the sake of profit

You're talkng about MoveOn.Org, right?

james wa

I for one, refuse to sanction lies , distortions, exploitation, or even mistakes made for the sake of profit

You're talkng about MoveOn.Org, right?

The Iraq war is a necessary, noble and soon to be won battle in the war on terror.

--Derrick Michael Reid

micki

Whats your brillant stragegy for success in Iraq? How about it, can you give us bushivics some insight into your intellect?

dammmit man, I'm shocked! The banner Doofus had up today doesn't jive with the one from the aircraft carrier. Surely he wasn't lying then, just mistaken and relying on bad intelligence. I'm beginning to think we can't trust our president with anything he says.
beginning?? hahahahahaha

Israel has become the first country in history to break the inspection pledge on a nuclear import.

Anyone care to guess why is speeches nowdays are early in the morning? I mean, we know why they're always at military bases, but why so early? Think maybe they know to 'let him out there' before he takes his first shot of the day?
Think he's a Jack Daniels guy, or a girlie-man with the scotch 'n water? *burp*

*his

Baf wrote:"As I posted ealier, 70% of the American public does think you're a hater along with the incompentant Dems in Congress and you're putting our troops in harms way- yes you-not Bush!! So how does it feel getting our troops killed or mamed because of your hate?"

Barf...I mean Baf,

You do realize this BS you regurgitate is filth you pulled from Rush Limbaugh'a site. If you want some real credibility around here, try not quoting from a f**king cokehead.

"Everybody lies, including me, so what's the big deal?"

Then take your ass over to Iraq and die for this lie...And take your messiahs (Rush and Hannity) over there with you, since their babble is gospel to you.

Howard Dean sucks up to the spies at AIPAC

AIPAC should be the kiss of death to US politicians by now, but they still take the free trips to Israel, and whatever the heck happens to them while they are there then come back fanatics in service to a foreign government.

You know how W really knows that there are WMD's in Iraq? His Daddy kept the receipts.

freeourtroops

Sorry dude, I don't listen to Rush Limbah-glad to see that you do - you might learn something!! Although, I think your messiah David Cornhole might not be to happy to here that.

As far as the 70% figure, this comes from a poll run over the weekend from RT Strategies. If you would do a little research instead of listening to hannity and rush, this might help. Just a suggestion.

#85 Hajji, I like your post!

Perfume

We need to lighten up. The neocons are pissed because the do not have all the money only 90% of it. The fundamentalists are pissed because the end time and rapture has not occurred with our planet being blown up by a nuclear holocaust. True American patriots are pissed because they see America goose stepping herself into hell.

This story is my favorite story that reminds me of American Nazis, especially rich American Nazis.

A little old lady is riding the elevator in a very lavish New York City Office Building.

A young and beautiful Nazi woman gets into the elevator and smelling like an expensive perfume turns to the little old lady and says arrogantly, "Giorgio Beverly Hills, $100 an ounce!"

The next young and beautiful Nazi woman gets on the elevator and also very arrogantly turns to the little old lady and says, "Chanel No. 5, $150 an ounce!"

About three floors later, the little old lady has reached her floor and is about to get off the elevator. Before she leaves, she looks sideways at both beautiful women in their eyes and bends over and farts. She says to them, "Broccoli - 59 cents a pound!"

freeourtroops

"Take your ass to Iraq and die for this lie"

I have family and friends that are over there-dickhead!! I want them to come home safe unlike pukes like you that get a hard on every time a body bag comes home.

#101 Steve, you are right! Daddy does have the receipts.

WTF, this country needs to get back to the basics. Capitalism is not the problem, the problem is the capitalists controlling the government. The lobbyists must GO. Abramoff is the tip of the iceberg, theres plenty more where he came from, they just haven't been indicted yet. With the lobbyists out of the way our elected officials could work for the people for a change. Next limit the war powers of the President for obvious reasons. He always should answer to the people through congress, it being the lawmaking portion of this government. Next stop the 51% majority vote in all elections and change it to a 2/3rds which would be 60% it better reflects a true majority. Adjust tax rates for corporations to 30% of gross profits with cuts given for corporations sponsoring education and caring for the infirmed and disabled and those without medical insurance providing of course the contributions can be proven. Return the voting system to paper ballots which would be hand counted by local election branches and hand delivered to state office for verification of accuracy, then each state would submit the ballots to a federal agency for the final count. All this while under the watchfull eye of voter advocates. Eliminate the Electoral College,it does not work. Once we have established the government "for the people" a constitutional review should take place and a review of amendments as to their practicality and useability, all amendments for the benefit of corporations should be removed as the original purpose for it was for the use of the people. Encourage voting by providing a substantial deduction for people that did vote through tax deductions. Require the government to anually balance the budget. Enhance the border surveillance using available technology and manpower to insure we are protected from terrorists. The best offense is a good defense. this world is full of people that would love to see us suffer for our liberty. Eliminate any religious influence in ANY government organization to prevent fringe groups from the political process. There are so many different religions it is impractical to include their rules in the government. Best to ensure peoples religious freedom at home and their chosen place of worship. Eliminate all but a few nuclear weapons and cease production of spent uranium ammunition. Increase our presence in the diplomatic process of other countries and support those who wish for peace. We must admit that we cannot stand alone, we are all on the same planet together and it is imperitive we address that issue with others to ensure clean air and water for all. We must be responsible citizens and corporations and produce products from recycleable materials, then recycle. Reduce dependence on foreign products, set a maximum of 30% imported products annually and once again produce our own goods. People must accept responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming others as in tort reform. Make corporations that build faulty products responsible for what they build, shoddy workmansip is not acceptable. Take care of farmers who grow our food because without them we would starve. Require educators to meet criteria that would result in a better educated populous that could read write and do math and more. That is my opinion on what might make this country work a bit better, course nothing here is carved in stone and is modifyable but I think it might help. OK trolls have at it, pick it apart, disect it, do whatever floats your boat just don't expect me to respond.

WTF, this country needs to get back to the basics. Capitalism is not the problem, the problem is the capitalists controlling the government. The lobbyists must GO. Abramoff is the tip of the iceberg, theres plenty more where he came from, they just haven't been indicted yet. With the lobbyists out of the way our elected officials could work for the people for a change. Next limit the war powers of the President for obvious reasons. He always should answer to the people through congress, it being the lawmaking portion of this government. Next stop the 51% majority vote in all elections and change it to a 2/3rds which would be 60% it better reflects a true majority. Adjust tax rates for corporations to 30% of gross profits with cuts given for corporations sponsoring education and caring for the infirmed and disabled and those without medical insurance providing of course the contributions can be proven. Return the voting system to paper ballots which would be hand counted by local election branches and hand delivered to state office for verification of accuracy, then each state would submit the ballots to a federal agency for the final count. All this while under the watchfull eye of voter advocates. Eliminate the Electoral College,it does not work. Once we have established the government "for the people" a constitutional review should take place and a review of amendments as to their practicality and useability, all amendments for the benefit of corporations should be removed as the original purpose for it was for the use of the people. Encourage voting by providing a substantial deduction for people that did vote through tax deductions. Require the government to anually balance the budget. Enhance the border surveillance using available technology and manpower to insure we are protected from terrorists. The best offense is a good defense. this world is full of people that would love to see us suffer for our liberty. Eliminate any religious influence in ANY government organization to prevent fringe groups from the political process. There are so many different religions it is impractical to include their rules in the government. Best to ensure peoples religious freedom at home and their chosen place of worship. Eliminate all but a few nuclear weapons and cease production of spent uranium ammunition. Increase our presence in the diplomatic process of other countries and support those who wish for peace. We must admit that we cannot stand alone, we are all on the same planet together and it is imperitive we address that issue with others to ensure clean air and water for all. We must be responsible citizens and corporations and produce products from recycleable materials, then recycle. Reduce dependence on foreign products, set a maximum of 30% imported products annually and once again produce our own goods. People must accept responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming others as in tort reform. Make corporations that build faulty products responsible for what they build, shoddy workmansip is not acceptable. Take care of farmers who grow our food because without them we would starve. Require educators to meet criteria that would result in a better educated populous that could read write and do math and more. That is my opinion on what might make this country work a bit better, course nothing here is carved in stone and is modifyable but I think it might help. OK trolls have at it, pick it apart, disect it, do whatever floats your boat just don't expect me to respond.

I apologize for being way off the thread, but this just makes me crazy. On Hardball tonight Senator Warner, trying to put a positive spin on the war and the President's speech, said the House voted 403-3 to reject Mr. Murtha's resolution. This went completely unchallenged (as usual)!. The House voted against the republican-introduced, one-sentence bullshit mischaracterization of Mr. Murtha's position,not his resolution (which did not get to the floor)! There is a huge distinction. This kind of crap happens over and over again on Russert, Mathews, etc. It's the tyrany of the small, incremental mistatement. This is how myths gets perpetuated, and nobody in a position to correct the record seems to want to step up to do so. Do they completely miss this stuff, or is there some kind of script that doesn't allow for stopping the discussion dead in it's tracks and getting the facts right?

Alan, I did a search to see "what would Jesus drink" and, of course, the answer was wine. You see, since George is such a *good* Christian, I figured he might drink whatever Jesus drinks.

But, I don't figure that GWB drinks wine. I doubt if GWB would drink wine even if he was invited to the Jesus Christ Bar and Grill.

Then I did a search to see "what would alcoholics drink" and the answer was "anything they can get their hands on."

Saladin #69:

Excellent article from Schumacher. A month or so ago I offered the opinion that a third party was needed, a party combining a conservative national ism and a socially oriented democracy. There has to be a change, which may be Bush's legacy: he did so much damage he causes a revolutionary spirit and unleashes the firebrands for freedom.

Personally, I have had enough of corporate laws and corporate personhood. A hundred years of that crap is plenty.

Don Smith

gbob

Murtha's resolution didn't make it to the floor becuse he didn't introduce one. It was all show. The republicans called him on it and guess what- he voted with the 403. Kind of like Kerry when flopped on his vote for the war.

DEN, I think you've got it! Except for the 2/3 vote idea, that is...66.66% is a mighty high benchmark. If any candidate got 66.66% of the voters behind him/her, it'd probably be a tainted count.

Micki #74

David needs to install a PIQ on his site. The PIQ would be able to detect the intelligence quotient of those posting and allow David to weed out those below a certain cutoff. Kind of like a called ID. Might be weeded out myself, but I'm willing to participate.

miki, I thought 2/3rds majority would be a more true majority than 51% besides if it wouldn't reach 60% or so people would deserve a recount, I would hope to increase voter participation with tax deductions. I figure it's worth trying, just look at the outcomes of the 2000 and 2004 elections, scary close don't you think? and look what we ended up with. Gotta go, I'll b back 2morrow

miki, I thought 2/3rds majority would be a more true majority than 51% besides if it wouldn't reach 60% or so people would deserve a recount, I would hope to increase voter participation with tax deductions. I figure it's worth trying, just look at the outcomes of the 2000 and 2004 elections, scary close don't you think? and look what we ended up with. Gotta go, I'll b back 2morrow

baf

True, I stand corrected. But don't you think it's equally a show to reduce Mr. Murtha's position to a one-sentence sound byte (actually a one-word sound byte, IMMEDIATE) and then perpetuate the myth unchallenged on national television over and over again. Of course he voted against it, any sane person would. It's just a pity that those who are not paying very close attention, get a different message than that represented by the facts.

Head spinning, DMR vomits "kinda like a fag, learned decadent behavior", "ok fags, give it up" and from another thread, "but your mothers suck cock in hell".

Maybe Gerald knows a good exorcist.

Happy Holidays hypocrite.

DEN:

Even if you're gone, I'll buy into your plans for the future, #106, 107.

On Bush's speech this AM, I can't for the life of me understand how his writers let the word strategy remain in the speech. A strategy calls for the deliberate imposition of scientific methods to get the desired result. Bush hates science; does none of his cabal know what strategy means?

sorry for the profanity...

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