Mr. David Corn,

I assume it is all about setting up a "fall on a sword" type thing. Time will tell. My guess is Libby will take it on the chin.

Thanks

Kirk

Sure hope all involved with this leak take falls. Sure sounds like a conspiracy.
David why no coverage on your site about the guilty plea of Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin last week. Barely any mention of this (a whisper on Hardball) on maintream T.V. Is that because you are not allowed to accurately discuss possible crimes committed by the officials at AIPAC ...Steve Rosen and Weissman. or the potential crimes of Naor Gilon acting as "an agent of influence.

Will you be doing any reporting on this issue?
Do you have any idea if Fitzgeral's investigation included where and who the Niger yellowcake documents came from ????

Rove will now be glorified by the repugnants for eternity by falling on the sword for Bush. Rove saves Bush from indictments.

Kristol: One or More Indictments in the Next Three Weeks

Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday:

Criminal defense lawyers I’∂e spoken to who are friendly to the administration are very worried that there will be one or more indictments in the next three weeks of senior administration officials, just looking at what Fitzgerald is doing and taking him at his word, you know, being a serious prosecutor here. And I think it’≥ going to be bad for the Bush administration.

Someone like Bill Kristol doesn’¥ get information like this by accident. It’≥ being fed to him so, if there is an indictment, he can prepare the base. Towards the end of the segment, Kristol got started, saying, "I hate the criminalization of politics."

The best way to stop the criminalization of politics is to get the criminals out of politics.

The bushits are probably laughing at all the "whodunnit" scenarios we're all conjuring up, but I still hold out hope that some people at the top will be indicted.

I mentioned earlier that one of my *sources* ;-) said that Ari Fleischer will be indicted and that I thought he'd flip and not take the fall for the busheviks. I still think that is plausible. If he's indicted, there will be others, too.

Mary Matalin (former member of the WHIG) won't take a fall for anyone in the WH either. She and Carville must have some "pillow talk" -- could be she told James and James told George Stephanopoulous about the president and the veep being involved in some conversations (remember on This Week when GS said that to George Will?).

The busheviks may try to squirm out of it by having General Rove fall on his sword, but if others are indicted, this tactic ain't going to work.

Yes, and why does the NYT continue to take a backseat on reporting this story? They could be scooping the competition and they sit on their asses...hmmmmm.

Kathleen,
My usual answer to questions such as, "why have you not covered X, Y or Z?" is this: there are only 24 hours in a day, and I need to sleep for about seven or eight of them. BTW, I have a day job as Washington editor of The Nation and also parental obligations. I don't get to cover and explore everything I would like to. I have covered the AIPAC scandal from time to time--more so than most. I am "allowed" to write about whatever I chose to write about on this blog. I hope that would be apparent to most of the tens of thousands of people who come to this site. And I noted the AIPAC case's relevance to the Rove scandal in the today's blog. As for the yellowcake forgeries, I have said this is a matter that deserves more investigation than it seems to have received. I think Democrats on the Hill should have been screaming about this. Yet they have chosen not to. I've poke around on this a few times but have found nothing worth reporting. My sincerest apologies for not breaking this case.

As you note, David, incredibly the yellowcake forgeries have not elicited ANY curiosity among the press corp (notice I didn't even say "the media"). I have to worry that even if Karl Rove is indicted AND CONVICTED of perjury, that there will still be no interest about the implications of all that.

Fitzgerald is secretive enough about details that there is no chance to make somebody the fall guy. The administration doesn't know how to plan for the final report and perhaps indictments with the lack of information they are getting.
And with the lack of information they couldn't smear. They've just had to sit and sweat.

In insisting he was not part of a scheme, or an effort, or some such, Rove is denying a conspiracy charge. My bet is that's what he thinks he is up against. Conspiracy to reveal classified information under the espionage laws.

David,

"The Democrats on the Hill."

Day after day
Alone on the hill
The dems with the foolish grins
are keeping perfectly still.

Nobody wants to know that
AIPAC's the bad guy here!
And they just take the money...

But those fools on the hill
See their sun going down,
Still, the spin from their heads
keep the press running 'round.

Well, anyway
Their heads' in the clouds
Those men of ? "integrity"
Keep spewing out loud.

But nobody ever hears them
give answers to what's asked.
And the MSM just won't notice.

But those fools on the hill
See their polls going down
And the lies from their heads
keep the truth from being found.

-appologies to Lennon and Marxcarthy!

-T

p.s.

thanx, David for this unprecidneted forum!

-T

#11

I second that emotion!

Thanks for the open forum!

capt

David Corn wrote: I promised this blog would have something on the Rove scandal today.

Thank you so very much for your latest scandal gossip, Mr. Corn.

Here is a "prop" for you:

Perhaps now (soon?) you can devote a tiny fraction of the resources you've spent on this minor "national security breach" to the total national security and Constitutional devastation represented by 9/11.

Your "inquiring mind's" sense of proportion is appallingly warped. After 4+ years, it's hard to continue blaming that on the effectiveness of the psy-op...

David:

When you're not sleeping, taking care of your kids, being a partner to your wife, editing for The Nation, writing for this blog, working 8 days a week, investigating, sourcing, writing, thinking, traveling, doing radio/TV interviews/commentary, eating, living, putting up with us on this blog, could you stick a broom up your ass and sweep the floor in your spare time?

Sheesh. A thinner skinned person would tell us to get lost!

Keep up the good work! I appreciate what you do.

From: Liberty Forum

Four Years for Talking Without a Permit?

...these activists do indeed face almost constant police harassment. Their megaphones are confiscated so frequently that they have to buy them in bulk, and they face arrest, fines, trumped-up legal charges, and heavy sentences of unpaid "community service." They defy repressive city ordinances banning the use of signs larger than 2 feet by 3 feet without a permit, banning the use of amplification without a permit and, on good days, they also end up defying the ban on public gatherings of more than 24 people without a permit. At least two of these ordinances are a legacy of Mayor Giuliani and have been engraved on a large metal plaque mounted high on the wall of the cage that surrounds the World Trade Center site ­ underlining their inseparability from the War on Terror.

One of the main organizers of the Union Square speak-outs, Geoffrey Blank, will go on trial in November for charges relating to a large number of petty infractions like those mentioned above, and is facing a possible four-year prison sentence.
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"They hate us for our freedoms."

George W. Bush

Two good comments from Jeanne and Saladin!

Jesus, March 18, 1977
While your world cries peace, love, and brotherhood, they prepare for war! While your world cries peace, love, and brotherhood, they slaughter their brothers; they murder the children. And what kind of peace will you have when you defy your God? I say unto you: there will be no peace when man has given himself to sin.

This war is not only wrong and immoral but it is sinful. America will not have peace. This war is a total disaster for the murder of people, for the torture of people, for the maiming of people, and for the damnation of souls.

AMERICA WILL HAVE NO PEACE!!!!!

Our Lady, November 24, 1979
Pride is truly a more formidable barrier against holiness and piety than even outright licentiousness. Pride is a sin, and shall keep many from entering into the Kingdom of Heaven.

We have an emperor who can never accept a mistake; he can never take the blame; he is never wrong. He is filled with pride. Unless Bush changes his ways, he is in deep trouble from entering into the Kingdom of Heaven.

David,

Working yourself to death, not sleeping, and ignoring your family is "uniquely American"!

You only have three jobs?!!? Drink some more cofee! This is the "ownership society" after all!

Cornbloggers,

Are we winning? Do you think the democrats on the hill will sieze this opportunity? Or will they continue to search unsucessfully for thier own asses with both hands and a flashlight?

I was never here...

Me no spell good. Me sorry.

corky, is that you? If so, I missed you! I see no evidence that we are winning, but I am still hoping for a miracle.

Camilio Mejia

I would like to share with you some very powerful words from a person whom I consider a disciple of Jesus.

"I am only a regular person who got tired of being afraid to follow his own conscience. For far too long I allowed others to direct my actions even when I knew they were wrong. I cannot accept this award on behalf of those who have truly refused and resisted. There are far too many of them who deserve the honor more than I. I will, however, accept the award on behalf of those who are still quiet, those who are still afraid to speak their minds. Not too long ago I was one of them. Not too long ago I was ordered to be part of a war that I knew in my heart was immoral and criminal, a war of aggression. Many have called me a coward. Many have called me a hero. I believe I can be found somewhere in the middle. For those who have called me a hero I say that I don't believe in heros but I believe that ordinary people can do extraordinary things. For those who have called me a coward, I say that they are wrong and that without knowing it they are also right. They are wrong when they think I left the war for fear of being killed. I admit that fear was there, but there was also the fear of killing innocent people, the fear of putting myself in the position where to survive means to kill. There was the fear of losing my soul in the process of saving my body, the fear of losing myself to my daughter, to the people who love me, to the man I used to be, the man I want to be. I did my job as a soldier. I commanded an infantry squad and we never failed to accomplish our mission, but they who called me a coward, without knowing it, are also right. I was a coward for not leaving the war, for having been a part of it in the first place. Refusing and resisting this war is my moral duty, a moral duty that called me to take a principled action, a moral duty that was clear and the accomplishment was urgent. I failed to fulfill my moral duty as a human being and instead I chose to fulfill my duty as a soldier all because I was afraid. I was terrified. I did not want to stand up to the government and the Army. I was terrified, afraid of punishment and humiliation. I went to war because at the moment I was a coward and for that I apologize. One of the reasons I did not refuse the war from the beginning is that I was afraid of losing my freedom. Today as I sit behind bars I realize there are many types of freedom and that in spite of my confinement I remain free in many important ways. I am confined to a prison but I feel today more than ever connected to all my brothers and sisters throughout the world."

Camilio Mejia is behind bars. His body may not be free but his heart is free. His heart is one of pure gold.

Camilio Mejia is personification of a true man!!!

Any one can kill another person but it takes a loving and a merciful person to refuse to kill another human being.

Actually Gerald, Camilio Mejia has done is time and is free. My daughter (who is home schooled) and I are going to see him speak in November. He is a hero.

lurker,
I think we are. I think we are. I think we are. I think we are. Yes, I think we are.

Come back soon.

Jeanne, hearing Camilio Mejia speak should be informative evening. Please take notes and share his talk with us.

Will do. There is also going to be a student strike in opposition of the war. I think we are going to be part of that too.

From: Common Dreams

Tell Us Who Fabricated the Iraq Evidence
by Norman Dombey

President Bush's principal adviser Karl Rove is to be questioned again over the improper naming of a CIA official. Mohamed ElBaradei, accused by the American right of being insufficiently aggressive, wins the Nobel Peace Prize for his stalwart work at the helm of the International Atomic Energy Agency. Pentagon official Larry Franklin pleads guilty to passing on classified information to Israel. Just a normal week in politics. But there is a thread linking these events and it is Iraq.

An organisation called the Office of Special Plans (OSP) was set up in the Pentagon by Douglas Feith, a former consultant to Israel's Likud party, to prepare for the war. In the words of Robert Baer, a distinguished former CIA man, it was a "competing intelligence shop at the Pentagon"..."if you didn't like the answer you're getting from the CIA". In short, bogus stories would get a second chance at the OSP.

A clue to the ancestry of these black arts can be found in 1980, when right-wing Republicans wanted Ronald Reagan elected. They publicised a story that Billy Carter, the then President Jimmy Carter's colourful brother, had received $50,000 (?28,000) from the Libyan government.

The story was always denied by the President and no evidence of the payment was found, but the story helped to elect Reagan. Its source? Sismi, and an associate of a man called Michael Ledeen.

One man who might well know the answer to all this is Vincent Cannistraro, the former head of counter terrorism operations at the CIA. His belief is that the documents were produced in the US but "funnelled through the Italians". When an interviewer asked Cannistraro "if I said Michael Ledeen", he reportedly replied "I don't think it's a proven case ...You'd be very close"

Ledeen, on hearing this, issued the following statement: "I have absolutely no connection to the Niger documents, have never even seen them. I did not work on them, never handled them, know virtually nothing about them, don't think I ever wrote or said anything about the subject."
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Here is that name again. David it seems that this guy has a story that is well worth chasing. He is denying having anything to do with this, as rove is denying leaking Plame's name. Liars everywhere. I bet that if he didn't actually forge that document he was in charge of the person or persons who did. At the very least he is well aware of the guilty party. And Franklin is connected to all this somehow. Israeli spies, false information, and neocons loyal to Israel in charge at OSP. There is something really rotten in Denmark!

Kissinger-clone Larry Eagleburger, appearing on CNN, on the day of the attack(911), more than once, that regardless of who America chooses to strike, ``There is only one way to deal with people like this, and that is you have to kill some of them, even if they are not directly involved in this thing.''

New York Post, would rave the next day, ``The response to this unimaginable 21st Century Pearl Harbor should be as simple as it is swift--kill the bastards. A gunshot between the eyes, blow them to smithereens, poison them if you have to. As for the cities or countries of these host worms, bomb them into basketball courts.''

Sept. 14(01) op-ed in the Washington Times by Defense Intelligence Agency officer Thomas Woodrow, who wrote, ``At a bare minimum, tactical nuclear capabilities should be used against the bin Laden camps in the desert of Afghanistan. To do less would be rightly seen by the poisoned minds that orchestrated these attacks as cowardice on the part of the United States and the current administration.''

excerpt from: Americans Target Of Largest Media Brainwashing Campaign In History

KARL ROVE, MICHAEL LEDEEN SPIES PROCURED FORGED NIGER DOCUMENTS

July Friday 29th 2005

KARL ROVE and VARIOUS SPIES HE IS LINKED TO

Karl Rove’≥ only full-time foreign-policy advisor is Michael Ledeen, a rabid anti-Arab, pro-Israel activist. The FBI is investigating Ledeen for procuring forged documents (shown here) on nonexistent WMD, which George Bush used to justify his war on Iraq. When Joseph Wilson exposed the farce, Rove helped "out" Wilson’≥ CIA wife. Did Ledeen procure the documents for Rove, and how might he have done that? The story includes multinational stool pigeon Rocco Martino, Italian spy Francesco Pazienza, wanted CIA spy Robert Seldon Lady, and Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin, who’≥ under charges of giving US secrets to Israel.

Karl Rove’≥ foreign-policy advisor, Michael Ledeen, proclaimed "the rightness of the fascist cause" in 1972. In 1984 he got George Bush Sr to appoint Iranian arms merchant and Iranian/Israeli double-agent Manucher Ghorbanifar as a middleman in the scandalous Iran-Contra affair. Ledeen has been a fixture in Washington and Israel ever since, advocating a modern version of the Crusades against Islamic nations. Based on what he has said and written, I believe Ledeen is insane.

Michael Ledeen, Rove’≥ "brain," is one of the leading advocates for a US attack on Iran. The Washington Post quoted Ledeen as saying that Rove told him, "Anytime you have a good idea, tell me." I guess that means we can look forward to the Bush team drumming up a war with Iran. [For more, see articles by Dan Froomkin of the Washington Post -- the main man of the mainstream media pursuing the Rove Scandal.]

George Bush Jr., when he assumed the presidency in 2000, already knew that he was going to settle the family score with Saddam Hussein. His "brain," Rove, quickly enlisted Ledeen to trump up a causus belli.

*****end of clip*****

Not the Bush’≥ brain, the Rove’≥ brain?

capt

Capt, we are on the same track! There is something very evil about that ledeen creature. Three guesses why the media is tip-toeing around this subject, and the first two don't count!

LEDEEN NAME IS EVERYWHERE

Saladin...take a look at this Paul Krugman article from June 29, 2004:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0629-01.htm

Krugman mentions Simone Ledeen, Michael's daughter...she subsequently gives Krugman a verbal reaming in National Review Online for this piece.

Simone worked for CPA under Paul Bremer in Iraq "in the trenches" she claims.

BTW, Michael Fleischer, Ari's brother, is also mentioned in the article.

The Rove people calling Fitgerald a bully is the biggest hoot of the day.

Bullies

Here's Billon's take on it.

One thing I learned long ago is that the authentic bully unerringly choosest the weakest, most submissive person in the group to pick on (which is, of course, the exact opposite of the behavior found in sane pack animals, like dogs.) It's also fairly well known that bullies tend to be incredible crybabies whenever the tables are turned and they find themselves brought to account for their actions.

micki, I have found that whenever Israel, (and by this I mean the powers that be, not the Jewish people) are involved in any kind of scandal, people are terrified of being labeled "anti-semite." This really pisses me off! Why does this tiny state, run by a psyco war criminal, have so much pull? Why are we schucking out billions of dollars in aid to them when our own nation is falling into absolute poverty? Why are we funding their war machine when they are the only nation in the middle east with nuclear WMD's? Ledeen has been ignored all these years since 9/11, I want to know why! Your article is a year old, and still it languishes. There is something very wrong here. The false info was sent through OSP through a spy for Israel, why is it that no one even blinks an eye? But when clinton was caught up in a scandal concerning giving info to China, all hell broke loose! BTW, good article.

David,

Thanks for the posts and all you do. Keeping the fire at Rovies cloven hoofs is why I tune in.

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Hi to all the regs on the Corn blog! Hello to Saladin, Pande, Haji, Bro Tex...and sspecial Salute to Capt.

It's been raining buckets here in Colorado, with about two feet of wet heavy snow at elevations above 8000'. Inspite of rain and snow there are still a bunch of bluebirds! With the snow here I gotta get my skis tuned. Gonna wear an orange vest (rifle season starts Fri) and go skiing.

Broncos are on a winning streak and I saw a guy (a staunch Republican) scraping a "W" sticker off his duelly! Life is good today. Hope same for all of you.

Keep sharing the good info. I really do not have time or focus to research the web for those tasty hyperlinks, so really appreciate this site for the quality of updates that the community of Cornbloggers.

Later,
th

These people have acted with impunity for so long, it's nice to see them squirm a little. I live for the possibility that some of the West Wing henchmen will do time for this, but I'll settle for a continuing swirl of sleaze emanating from the White House and Republican leadership offices on the Hill. Here's my take on the drip, drip, drip of scandal: http://moreplease.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_moreplease_archive.html#112887072270432577

I sometimes get to think with all the 'revelations' that are continually happening with Plamegate that maybe I'm dreaming since I often get the impression that I've seen or read something before. Often it's because of the many sites "news" is posted on. Anyway, I had a distinct impression of dÔøΩjÔøΩ vu over the line, "I didn't take the bait."

A quick search found this -

Rove E-Mailed Security Official About Talk
By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer
[July 15, 2005, 7:51PM EDT]
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050716/D8BC7F500.html

Hey, here's some good news.

Iraq rebuilding slows as U.S. money for projects dries up

We have pulverized a country, stole all of the rebuilding funds (thank you Halliburton) and now we don't have the money to fix it.

This may be a painful subject for some, but if the opposition doesn't start opposing these psychos soon, it will be too late.

Washington Democrats: No Will, No Backbone
by Joshua Frank

Two former staffers of the Clinton administration, William Galston and Elaine Kamarck, both Democratic Leadership Council patrons, released a report on October 6 that outlined their strategy to take back Washington.

"The groups that were supposed to constitute the new Democratic majority in 2004 simply failed to materialize in sufficient number to overcome the right-center coalition of the Republican Party," wrote Galston and Kamarck. "[On defense issues], liberals espouse views diverging not only from those of other Democrats, but from Americans as a whole."

Anti-war crusader Cindy Sheehan recently told me that she thought the Democrats should be abandoned. "I will not support a pro-war Democrat [in the upcoming elections] ... I regret supporting John Kerry in 2004," she said, "[t]he movement gained nothing from his candidacy." Later, in piece titled "War-Hawk Republicans and Anti-War Democrats: What's the Difference?," Sheehan wrote, "I think if one is not speaking out right now against the killing in Iraq, one is supporting it."

Exactly.
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Please, please, please dems, don't forsake the country. No amount of money is enough!

I'm curious now about the timing this will take...hoping Fitz takes his time now, there's no rush; days grow short and November comes soon, let the WH sweat. Big news, say: a week from Monday?
Fitz doesn't have to show the Ledeen connection, just set it all up so that's the next logical step.
Let the body politic make the next baby step away from facism and back toward oroginal intent.

Somewhat Related Question for Everyone/Anyone:

Why is Karl RoveÔøΩ's Mother suicide not discussed?

I would like to hear Internet pundits and possibly experienced mental health professionals discuss the relationship between Karl RoveÔøΩs brutal, dishonest and psychopathic approach to politics and power and how it is related to his mother suicide?

What is the psychological damage that an incident like this can have on a personÔøΩ's outlook and behavior? And specifically in RoveÔøΩ's case, do you see after 1981 (The year of his motherÔøΩ's suicide) a change in his behavior/actions corresponding to the well-documented events of Karl RoveÔøΩs career up until today?

More simply put, did he become more of a soulless monster because of his mother taking of her life?

Do you think, he thinks he is partially responsible?

Should someone who as participant in such a tragic event of this magnitude and sits in a position of such great power be required to seek or be reviewed by mental health professionals?

Or are we too squeamish to discuss this?

Whoa, you are a rabble rouzer. I think it hasn't been brought up because it shouldn't be. But...I really believe if Rove thought someone's plight had an impact on their life he would use it. He would smear with what ever worked. That's the thing about bullies. They go after the underbelly but are crushed when someone goes after theirs.

As far as the elections coming up...I think we need to really push our opinions through letters to the editor (even if it doesn't get published) emails to your local political parties and phone calls to your congress. If enough people become part of the process and their opinions become known things will start changing.
I send letters to the editor all the time. They don't get published but the editor knows what my opinion is. I am curious. Does anyone know what one letter to the editor represents in people? What does the paper think the ratio is. A letter from one person represents say 30 people? Does anybody know that?

I know this is long but it's a great column.
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Who Isn't Against Torture?
by Bob Herbert
The New York Times
October 10, 2005

Some people get it. Some don't. Senator John McCain, one of the strongest supporters of the war in Iraq, has sponsored a legislative amendment that would prohibit the "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment" of prisoners in the custody of the U.S. military. Last week the Senate approved the amendment by the overwhelming vote of 90 to 9.

This was not a matter of Democrats vs. Republicans, or left against right. Joining Senator McCain in his push for clear and unequivocal language banning the abusive treatment of prisoners were Senator John Warner of Virginia, the Republican chairman of the Armed Services Committee, and Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a former military lawyer who is also a Republican and an influential member of the committee. Both are hawks on the war.

Also lining up in support were more than two dozen retired senior military officers, including two former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Colin Powell and John Shalikashvili.

So who would you expect to remain out of step with this important march toward sanity, the rule of law and the continuation of a longstanding American commitment to humane values?

Did you say President Bush? Well, that would be correct.

The president, who has trouble getting anything right, is trying to block this effort to outlaw the abusive treatment of prisoners.

Senator McCain's proposal is an amendment to the huge defense authorization bill. The White House has sent out signals that Mr. Bush might veto the entire bill if that's what it takes to defeat the amendment.

The Washington Post summed the matter up in an editorial that said:

"Let's be clear: Mr. Bush is proposing to use the first veto of his presidency on a defense bill needed to fund military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan so that he can preserve the prerogative to subject detainees to cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. In effect, he threatens to declare to the world his administration's moral bankruptcy."

Last Wednesday, Senator McCain rose on the Senate floor and said:

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in 1948, states simply that 'No one shall be subject to torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.' The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which the U.S. is a signatory, states the same. The binding Convention Against Torture, negotiated by the Reagan administration and ratified by the Senate, prohibits cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment.

"On last year's [Department of Defense] authorization bill, the Senate passed a bipartisan amendment reaffirming that no detainee in U.S. custody can be subject to torture or cruel treatment, as the U.S. has long defined those terms. All of this seems to be common sense, in accordance with longstanding American values.

"But since last year's [defense] bill, a strange legal determination was made that the prohibition in the Convention Against Torture against cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment does not legally apply to foreigners held outside the U.S. They can, apparently, be treated inhumanely. This is the [Bush] administration's position, even though Judge Abe Sofaer, who negotiated the Convention Against Torture for President Reagan, said in a recent letter that the Reagan administration never intended the prohibition against cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment to apply only on U.S. soil."

The McCain amendment would end the confusion and the perverse hunt for loopholes in the laws that could somehow be interpreted as allowing the sadistic treatment of human beings in U.S. custody.

Senator McCain met last week with Capt. Ian Fishback, a West Point graduate who was one of three former members of the 82nd Airborne Division to come forward with allegations, first publicly disclosed in a report by Human Rights Watch, that members of their battalion had routinely beaten and otherwise abused prisoners in Iraq. In a letter that he sent to the senator before the meeting, Captain Fishback wrote:

"Some argue that since our actions are not as horrifying as Al Qaeda's, we should not be concerned. When did Al Qaeda become any type of standard by which we measure the morality of the United States? We are America, and our actions should be held to a higher standard, the ideals expressed in documents such as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution."

Senator McCain and Captain Fishback get it. Some people still don't.

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The Bush Administration is comprised of freaks and monsters. They all belong in prison.

Several weeks ago, about the time that the MSM were beginning to take notice of this issue, someone was discussing the specific law that pertains to the divulging of the identity of a covert agent. There was some discussion of a document of some kind( I don't remember what it is called) that all white house personnel must sign that basically says, among other things, that before commenting on something that might be classified that individual is bound by law to determine if that information is classified or not. Can anyone clear this up for me. What is that document called and is it legally binding in the way that the particular statute we've been discussing is or not? And why is no one talking about this anymore?

Jerry,
I think this is what you're looking for.
Rep. Waxman: Karl Rove violated non-disclosure agreement

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Is that it?

Anybody see Cheney lately?

As Vice President ducks dinner, buzz about aide tied to leak scandal

Vice President Dick Cheney was noticeably absent from a landmark dinner held last Thursday for the 50th anniversary of the conservative National Review magazine, Roll Call will report in Tuesday editions, RAW STORY can reveal.

While guests raved about the gourmet food served at the National Review’s 50th anniversary party Thursday night, they couldn’t take their minds off who wasn’t there: Vice President Cheney. His absence dredged up the question that dominated the blogosphere in recent months: Where’s Dick?

“Not here,” was the short answer. “Scheduling conflict,” the party line.

Oy, I had to reread Micki's post @ #14 three or four times before I could get it. I kept thinking, oh no she didn't. Ooooooh, no, she did not just tell Mr. Corn to shove a broom up his ass. It cracked me up. I believe such comments were the original impetus for the phrase "you best smile when you say that, stranger."

I've read Mr. Corn's previous comments about his life as a parent. It is interesting to peer into the lives of other dads. Little Tigre has cut a few teeth and is chewing the crap out of everything; and he's almost walking on his own. I got to watch that 18 inning baseball game that Alan mentioned. It took so long that I got to teach my daughter how to ride her bike (minus training wheels) between the 11th and 17th innings. My children's playroom is a Cheerios minefield. And I've always said, you haven't lived till you've stepped barefoot on the dorsal fin of a plastic dimetrodon at 2:30 in the morning. And just try to avoid dropping or waking your child after stepping on a plastic dinosaur.

It's kinda funny watching the Bushbots drop by periodically to make monkeyasses of themselves. You gotta feel for these morons. They're the last rats on a sinking ship. They're just too stoopid to figure it out.

Maybe Mr. Corn's blog has become obsolete in that regard. You can go to Reactionary blogs like Redstate to watch the slow dissolution of the Grand Ol' Lynchin' Party. You can read the the Wall Street Journal to get your giggles over their fears of what will happen to the Preznit if his brain gets indicted. Even goobers like Kristol have conceded that indictments are unavoidable. The funny thing is listening to the Reds whimpering about the thumping that Fitzgerald is giving them:
"Fitzgerald's office, although very professional, has been very aggressive in pursuing people," the (White House) adviser said. "These guys are bullies, and they threaten you."
Whiny bitches.

It is funny how all it took to crack the Republican monolith was for Chimpy to nominate the Church Lady to be one of the Supremes. It is absolutely hilarious watching the reactionaries come undone over the nomination. It's like opening Pandora's Box. The shit has truly hit the fan.

Much like TH and the rest of the old-timers, I lurk. I read. I laugh. One thing I don't do is wear my tinfoil hat (remember those?). Sal's right, something wicked this way comes. What else is there to drag the Cheney Administration out of the shithole they've dug for themselves? They're just waiting for Fitzgerald to drop his payload. In the meanwhile, we get more terror alerts, avian flu warnings, MORE spies in the White House, and other weird shit.

Either way, you gotta laugh.

`Road map is a life saver for us,' PM Abbas tells Hamas

By Arnon Regular

Abbas said that at Aqaba, Bush promised to speak with Sharon about the siege on Arafat. He said nobody can speak to or pressure Sharon except the Americans.

According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

*****end of clip*****

From the HERETIK

Curious, everything old is new again.

capt

possibly 70% of people i speak with in south carolina don't know who valerie plame is. of course they watch the republican network and you never see anything about this story.as i have said before, murdoch will bury this and president turbo will open his lie-berry in texas with idiot hannity as the keynote speaker. i pity the fool who takes the wh in 08.good night and good luck

David, thank you for responding. I also appreciate what you do. Although does that mean I should not challenge you? Does that mean that others on these blogs should not constructively challenge liberals, moderates or conservatives. If I have a logical question and I do it respectfully I believe that is my job as a citizen. I encourage others to do the same.

Last week I challenged Arianna, Lou Dobbs, chris Matthews, Olberman and Brian Lamb of c-span (on the Talk of the Nation. I asked all of these journalist why so little coverage of the Larry Franklin case? When I witness as a citizen important news not being fairly covered, I will challenge this lack of coverage. The media barely covered the Franklin case last week.

While I am not the editor of anything, I am the mother of three, ( and have raised these children basically on my own). I know parenting is important work and I honor that. I also work my ass off tarring roofs, crawl under rental houses, clean gutters, go to soccer games, attend dance recitals etc. etc. Many of us are busy. Many of us are trying to do our parts by pushing our nation back anywhere close to the middle. Any where close to the middle looks fine from way out her on the extreme right.

My commitment to constructively hound the media began after the 2000 selection of President Bush. I began calling into talk shows asking the questions that I thought were obvious and logical, and so wished that journalist would ask. Many were not.

This commitment accelerated the year before the invasion of Iraq. I was listening to Npr and Bbc daily and I was hearing an endless list of experts (Madeline albright, Zinni, el Baradei, McNamara, cia analyst etc. etc. all forewarn of the potential quagmire in Iraq. I also heard many of them question the validity of the pre-war intelligence.

When over and over again I did not hear journalist asking hard questions fo the folks who were pushing for the invasion. I decided to do the asking if they were not going to, calling into the Diane Rehm show (David I have asked you several questions directly on the show) I call into the TALk Of the Nation, c-span, write to Matthews, Dobbs. I am always respectful, but I ask what I believe to be logical questions based on a great deal of reading and research that I do before I ask the questions.

So when I challenge you David it is not because I do not respect or appreciate what you do. It is because I am commtited to doing my part as a citizen by asking these questions based on my observations, research and reading.

As you shared you have asked people on the hill about the logical question. Who created the Niger documents and where did they come from? I will continue to ask.

I will say it again I appreciate what you do and the commitment you obviously have to accurate and honest reporting based on facts.

But I will not stop asking respectful, logical questions, and I encourage others to do the same. Even of the Nations editor David Corn.

Thank You David for all you do, I will continue to do what I do.

Jeanne, generally I think that newspapers have a policy to publish letters supporting or opposing a particular issue in a ratio reflecting the number received on each side (whatever the numbers are).

Of course, they deal with the cold reality of space -- so the shorter, pithier, most to-the-point letters have a better chance of publication (which I'm sure you already know).

But, why don't you email Jim Romenesko at Poynter and ask him your question:

jromenesko@poynter.org

Micki,
I sent it.

Pande,
Beware of lego minefields.

Oy! Pande. It was maybe unclear I was being. I was sticking up for David. It was like I was thinking of my grandmother, who had a long list of things to do and I needed a new dress made for the piano recital and she would exclaim, "What is it you think I am? You want I should stick a broom up my ass and sweep the floor at the same time!?"

Oy! I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Seven Basic Principles

When I vote, I use a certain criteria to help me. There are seven basic principles that will help me.

1. Life and Dignity of the Human Person

Democrats are said to believe in a culture of death. Let us take a close look as to what they stand for, pro-health care, pro-affordable drugs, pro-increase in the minimum wage, pro-medical coverage of a person with a preexisting medical condition.
Republicans contribute to the culture of death through their programs of no coverage for a person with a preexisting medical condition, no affordable drugs, no health coverage for all Americans, no clean environment, no increase in the minimum wage.

2. Human Rights and Responsibilities

Democrats have passed civil rights policies and they are pro-education.
Republicans favor the rich and the super rich and tax cuts with people who have money.

3. A Call to Family and Community

Democrats seek for everyone to vote, increase in the quality of life, and improvements in community development.
Republicans thwart the voting rights of Americans like in Florida and Ohio. The rich have offshore tax shelters and the common person pays the bills. Rigged elections favor the Republicans.

4. The Dignity of Work and the Rights of Workers

Democrats have a rich history and a track record of supporting workers.
The Republicans have a sad history and a sad track record toward the workers. They also want to destroy social security and medicare.

5. The Option for the Poor

Democrats have a rich history in trying to help the poor.
Republicans oppose the minimum wage and they attempt to cut programs for the poor so the tax cuts go to the rich.

6. Solidarity

The Democrats favor a community of people working together for the common good.
Republicans have a hate and kill mentality for our global neighbors.

7. Care of God's Creation

Democrats have a strong desire for a clean environment that would enhance the quality of life.
Republicans have exploited the environment for the benefit of corporations and the Republicans have blocked treaties that would improve the environment.

Historically, I see the Democrats as people who are interested in the common good of all peoples. I see the Republicans as people who are filled hypocrisy, lies, greed, and corruption.

Your grandma actually said that! My grandma swore at my naughty cousins once in awhile but that's because they would throw peas at each other at the Christmas dinner and rip down curtains as they tried to climb them.

Fitz is expert at convicting organized criminals.

The bush regieme has organized crime to a federal level.

The traitorous felons will build a bullet-proof firewall around the traitorous bush.

bush will stupidly pardon all convicted traitors, and give the democrats enough ammo to take back congress for the greater of the USA.

But it will be too late because any and all laws that benefit the citizens will be struck down by the corporate whore majority on the supreme court.

The grand experiment has failed.

Gerald,
You have spelled out exactly why I have a hard time giving up on the Democratic Party. If they aren't willing to live up to those ideals anymore then I'm going to have to find me a new party.

Snark of the Day

I'm with you Pande, I refuse to pay the NY Times to be able to read the columns. Ain't happening. Those guys aren't going to get my great emails anymore either.

Gerald and Jeanne, your faith is admirable but ill placed. You are talking about the second head of the same snake. Just because they talk the talk of the charitable doesn't mean they walk the walk. Just look at them now, they are worse than useless. Cindy is right, if they don't speak out against this war, and loudly, they are in support of it. There is no middle ground. Our politicians have let us down, sold their souls to the highest bidder. How can you possibly lend them any support?

To Jeanne,

Follow up on Karl RoveÔøΩs MotherÔøΩs Suicide. #42 - #43

I still would like to hear from others regarding this topic.

I do not think it can be dismissed that easily as ÔøΩOut of boundsÔøΩ or ÔøΩIt in the past or itÔøΩs personal and should have no basis in his current action or behaviorÔøΩ. There is a deep physiological damage that accompanies the suicide of your mother and IÔøΩm sure mental health experts can see the clears correlation between this and his current behavior. Has he ever seen professional health regarding this issue? It goes to his state of mind.

A What if example? A Supreme Court nomineeÔøΩs family was violently killed during the commission of a robbery twenty years earlier. During his nomination hearing would it be out of bounds to ask him about this and his feelings on capital punishment and/or the death penalty?

Another question for some of you with more information:
When do you think the Rove/Libby/ Neocon Cabal seduced Judy Miller into their fold?
( It seems to be their modus operandi. Get ÔøΩem hooked in early.)
Was it before the WMD fiasco or way before that? When did she fist get introduced to Libby?

Posted by: Rabble Rouzer at October 10, 2005 09:40 PM

You have some concerns on Rove's mother's suicidal death and wonder if Rove is bearing some signs of mental illness.
We can't jump to conclusions. She may have suffered from depression after child birth or may have had a controlling/insane husband that may have ended her life. Rove may have suffered trauma and probably is a wandering soul trying to fill the vaccum by being destructive.
We all should pity the man.
Look at Bush, he has no excuse for being more destructive than Rove. He had everything going smooth. Yet, Bush is delusional. He believes he is saved and yet, his actions are demonic. He is a Schizo... and untreated may have signs of mass murder. Both Bush and Rove cry out "Jesus," but have not been delivered from their mad soul.
Bush and Karl are together involved in Plame/Wilson crisis. I also believe that Cooper may have been pressuring Miller to expose Libby and Rove.
Corn, you are doing a great job. Hope Bush's bird flu' will not come near any of us. We need to expose the truth.

Wooohooozzz, Pande made a visit! *anudder good one too
About that game, did you hear that the same fan in left field caught both Berkman's grand slam ball and then Burke's in the 18th TOO?!! What's the fkn odds?? He's a young married guy and is giving both balls back to the players. *slaps knee* He didn't put 'em on E-bay, and didn't hire an agent to squabble for some bucks either. The team is gonna fix him up with a couple tickets for the next series. It's probably a suite tho... but I'm betting both players will make it good for him. It's nice tho, that he immediately said he would give up those balls as the right thing to do. I know that's a small 'story' among our problems hashed out in here, but the feel-good stories keep our spirits up. go America (and 'specially Texas)
Bro-Tex, did your lady get her 'puter fixed? She has a good spyware program like AdAware SE, right? I mean, it's freeeee maaaan!
hey

Does anyone recall the timeline for Wilson's revelations? I recall him being giving a talk (Commonwealth club?) where I think he described trying to talk to the WH admin first about how they could think of using yellowcake in the state of union address. Then after no luck, he did the anonymous source method, and then got no response so he finally wrote a column using his name. Was that a matter of days or weeks in between each of those events?

EZ thank for replying to the Karl Rove's Mother Suicide topic. #42, #62, #63
The thing that worries me is the lack of a moral compass in his life (I'm thinking most people would say it is their mother rather than father, who is that compass or at least the one you spend your life trying to please/appease etc. too Freudian, maybe?)

But that missing component leads me to think that Karl Rove has long ago lost touch with humanity and is a deeply mentally disturbed angry individual with absolutely no moral conscience. He seems to have a history of attacking, taking out (projecting his self-hatred) on everyone or anyone that gets in his way. All because of his futile existence having never been able to achieve his goal of satisfying his mother or showing her "look I did it, i made something of myself". "Why aren't you here to see this?" "Why did you do it?"

I have a feeling mental health professionals will do a detailed work up on him. (Possibly after his own suicide, after being found guilty of conspiracy, which would not be unreasonable outcome if it comes down to it, for someone in his state of mind)

#65 to follow up on my thought... maybe that is why the WH admin was talking to Miller so earlier, they already had the warning signs of trouble from Wilson.

where I think he described trying to talk to the WH admin first about how they could think of using yellowcake in the state of union address.

Good question. I'm sure it jives with Judy Miller's first talk with Libby. Wilson said he 'went around' to several people but didn't say who(as I remember), and they basically dared him to go public. That's when the *plame-game* really first got started. I've read his op-ed piece before, but I don't remember the details and if he said when he first confronted them.

here's a copy of his op-ed piece...

What I Didn't Find in Africa

Then, in January, President Bush, citing the British dossier, repeated the charges about Iraqi efforts to buy uranium from Africa.

The next day, I reminded a friend at the State Department of my trip and suggested that if the president had been referring to Niger, then his conclusion was not borne out by the facts as I understood them. He replied that perhaps the president was speaking about one of the other three African countries that produce uranium: Gabon, South Africa or Namibia. At the time, I accepted the explanation. I didn't know that in December, a month before the president's address, the State Department had published a fact sheet that mentioned the Niger case.

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It didn't answer the question exactly tho.

Ok, for some laughs, read this spinster's article from January. haha

The Plame Game: Was This a Crime?

By Victoria Toensing and Bruce W. Sanford
Wednesday, January 12, 2005; Page A21

Why have so many people rushed to assume that a crime was committed when someone "in the administration" gave columnist Robert D. Novak the name of CIA "operative" Valerie Plame? Novak published her name while suggesting that nepotism might have lurked behind the CIA assignment of her husband, Joseph Wilson, to a job for which he was credentially challenged: The agency sent him to Niger to determine whether Iraq was interested in acquiring uranium from that country, although he was an expert neither on nuclear weapons nor on Niger.

Journalists are being threatened with jail for not testifying who gave them information about Plame -- even journalists who did not write about Plame but only talked with sources about her. Ironically, the special prosecutor has pursued this case with characteristic zeal after major publications editorialized that a full investigation and prosecution of the government source was necessary. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution even claimed that the allegations came "perilously close to treason."

Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson appeared in Vanity Fair magazine in January 2004. (Jonas Karlssom -- AP)

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It's time for a timeout on a misguided and mechanical investigation in which there is serious doubt that a crime was even committed. Federal courts have stated that a reporter should not be subpoenaed when the testimony sought is remote from criminal conduct or when there is no compelling "government interest," i.e., no crime. As two people who drafted and negotiated the scope of the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, we can tell you: The Novak column and the surrounding facts do not support evidence of criminal conduct.

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Doesn't anybody ever rub their noses in it when reporters shit on the carpet? I know Miller gets away with it, but what about these two? sheeesh!

ooops, sorry 'bout all that shyt in the middle
Seems I copied more'n I wanted to. my bad

Wilson's own article was July 6 right?

So I went looking and here is an Oct 12, 2003 article describing the FBI investigating this leak farther back than the famous Wilson column including early June. So this "early June" interest of the FBI is actually two years old.

The initial article where Wilson was the obvious person for the anonymous source (to at least the WH) was.... drum roll please.... early June. I think the washington post even printed a more detailed article where Wilson said he could be identified as the source in mid-June. Both of these before his own personal article. Therefore the Rove/Cheney machinery kicked into gear before he wrote his own personal article... and they started to look for the mud.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A13696-2003Oct11

Good Grief Gerald take a pill.

I wrote what I thought was an impassioned plea to the White house in regard to torture, the following was the response I got:

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Nuff said?

This administration is so out of touch with actual people, that it wouldn't know em if it groped em.

Gerald, what if God doesn't exist????

What if it's all about you and your actions on this earth?

Are you screwed or what?

Jeanne

Aint no such thing as a bulletproof firewall.

New bugs are written constantly.

Question remains..........who do you trust?

Government by Temper Tantrum

By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 11, 2005, 06:53

President George W. Bush’s temper tantrums are on the rise with White House insiders reporting increasing tongue-lashing of staffers, obscenity-filled outbursts and a leader driven to the edge by what he sees as party disloyalty and a country that no longer trusts him.

Conservative backlash over his latest Supreme Court nominee may, in fact, have pushed the President over the edge.

"He’s out of control," one White House aide says privately. "There’s no other way to put it. His anger spills over in meetings. He berates anyone who brings him bad news but there's not a lot of good news we can bring the President right now. He calls other Republicans 'motherfucking traitors' and it is becoming more and more of a challenge to keep that anger from showing in public."

In fact a Bush White House that has always prided itself with an ability to shield the President’s weaknesses from the public faces a mounting list of embarrassing public incidents.

The most recent came when Bush fled Washington to avoid the largest anti-war rally since Vietnam, some reporters asked him if he was running away.

"No goddamn it," he snapped back. "I’m going to keep track of Hurricane relief." Then he flew out of town to a command center in Colorado to watch what was happening in New Orleans, something he could easily monitored from the situation room of The White House. Reporters present said Bush pushed his way past aides to get away from more questions.

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King George is losing it. A role model for the cry-baby neocons.

I know we all do what we can. We sign petitions, send emails to our representatives, write letters to the editors and such but how about we all chip in and send the WH a case of whiskey and a truck load of pretzels.

capt

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Unravel Neo-Conservative Cabal
by Jeffrey Steinberg

A Bolton Angle?

While the issue of Pentagon illegal activity with Israel, in order to provoke a war against Iran, or Syria, is still a live one, so is the matter of the Niger "yellow cake" concoction, a story which has never been solved, and which is intimately connected with the still live investigation of what is known as the Plame leak.

It was December 2001, after the Ledeen, Franklin, Rhode trip to Rome, that fraudulent documents surfaced, alleging that Iraq was negotiating for yellow cake from Niger.

On the strength of Wilson's report, and other analysis, the CIA and the State Department removed the Niger report from their intelligence estimates of Iraq's pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. Yet, in December 2002, Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs John Bolton played a key role in putting this false information in a widely circulated State Department Fact Sheet on "Omissions From the Iraqi Declaration of the United Nations Security Council."

In a March 1, 2005 letter to the chairman of the National Security Subcommittee of the House Government Reform Committee, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) asked for a committee investigation into State Department efforts to conceal the role of Bolton in the creation of the Fact Sheet, and in insisting that the Niger reference be kept in the Fact Sheet, despite objections from both State Department intelligence and CIA officials.

This inquiry has relevance not only to Bolton's potential connection to an espionage network, but to his persistent role in "fixing" intelligence which he and his neo-con friends did not like. It was this cooking of intelligence which provided the justification for pushing the United States into war against Iraq, in pursuit of WMD which were not there, and which the neo-con circles around Dick Cheney continue to carry out in pursuit of the new wars they have on their agenda.
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All the usual suspects. What a coincidence that the forged document turned up right after these guys returned from Rome.

Another good question, why hasn't the FBI arrested anyone at the AIPAC? Who in the Bush administration is blocking justice in this case?

For that matter, why hasn't the FBI interviewed Rocco Martino, the acknowledged and admitted procurer of the phony Niger uranium documents? They are known to be investigating the phony documents.

New Leads Temporarily Postpone Indictments

Wayne Madsen | October 11 2005

Newly-discovered leads are postponing, at least temporarily, the issuance of indictments by Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in the CIA leak scandal. On October 9, even conservatives on the Sunday pundit programs were resigned to the fact that indictments of top White House officials are imminent.

Although the Grand Jury probe of the White House scandal has been unique by Washington standards for the relative lack of leaks to the media, there are several currents that are beginning to emerge:

1. Investigators are focusing on an email between Karl Rove and then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley that referenced a July 11, 2003 conversation between Rove and Time's Matt Cooper. In a case reminiscent of Oliver North and the shredding and deletion of e-mail in the White House PROFS office automation system during Iran-contra, there is speculation that some critical e-mails involving the CIA leak were illegally destroyed by the White House.

Then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales informed White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card at 8:00 pm on September 29, 2003 that the Justice Department was beginning a criminal investigation of the White House over the CIA leak. Gonzales did not order the White House staff to preserve all documents, email, and memos until the next day, giving the White House a full twelve hours to destroy any incriminating documents, including email. Gonzales later claimed he delayed his order because of the late hour on September 29 -- however, the White House and its operations staff works on a 24x7 basis.

There are rumors that critical email and other documents relating to the cover up of the CIA leak and the White House Iraq Group's "work up" on Ambassador Joseph Wilson and his CIA wife may have been destroyed during the twelve hour interval between notification that a criminal probe was underway and Gonzales' document "freeze" order. If the special prosecutor determines that evidence was destroyed, obstruction of justice indictments could be issued against Gonzales, Card, and Hadley.

2. Recently discovered notes of New York Times reporter Judith Miller concerning a June 2003 conversation she had with Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby before Wilson's OP ED on Niger uranium and Iraq appeared in The New York Times, may implicate Libby and Cheney in a conspiracy to go after Wilson and his wife. Previously it was reported that the White House retaliation against Wilson and his wife was in reaction to the OP ED piece. The discovery of Miller's notes points to a possible premeditated attack by the White House on the Wilsons.
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It's starting to look like cheney and crew expected Wilson to cooperate in the beginning, but soon found out he wouldn't and cooked up this scheme before he wrote his op-ed piece.

#76
Capt,
I laugh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Bullies look mighty pathetic when somebody finally challenges them.

The revolution will not be televised. Can you dig it?

Where do I start?

#74 titchaba, I do not know if there is a heaven but I pray that there is no hell. In life I can only share with you what I have experienced. I know from personal experiences that Jesus and His mother, Mary, have been present to help me. My experience is a living one and unless you walk in my shoes, it is more difficult to explain.

#58 George Silva is right on target.

Jeanne and Saladin, although I lean more heavily toward the Democrats, I will not vote for any candidate for president who is pro-war. War is outmoded and it serves no purpose. War creates more problems than it resolves problems. NO SANE PERSON CHOOSES WAR OVER PEACE.

capt, Bush is having temper tantrums because he is a psycho. He really is nuts. THE GLORY FOR BUSH RESTS IN HIM KILLING OFF OUR PLANET, BOTH THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE PEOPLE. BUSH IS A MADMAN!!!!!

PNAC Executive Director and Neo-Con/Nazi Propagandist Called 'Real Terrorist' Behind 9/11

Greg Szymanski | 11 Oct 2005

The head of a dangerous ultra-conservative Washington think tank is now going public to defend the neo-con's perverted war strategy, taking his dog and pony show on the road Tuesday where he will be speaking at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee campus.

Dr. Gary Schmitt, executive director of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), the Nazi/neo-con radical rightwing group that called for a New Pearl Harbor in September 2000, is stepping-up the Bush administration's propaganda pitch to justify the spread of global war and terror.

But local citizens and students are trying to stop the neo-con propaganda message in its tracks by threatening to perform a citizen's arrest on Schmitt, calling him a traitor and the real leader of the terrorist organization within our governmentt that planned the 9/11 attacks, killing 3,000 Americans in the process.

In it's document Rebuilding Americas Defenses of September 2000, PNAC called for a massive military budget increases, a policy of pre-emptive war, including using Saddam Hussein as an excuse to invade the Iraqi oil fields and stepped up intervention around the world, said a spokesman for Flush Pee-NAC, the local Wisconsin group threatening to arrest Schmitt before the speech.

But PNAC also noted that these goals would be extremely difficult to accomplish absent some galvanizing event like a new Pearl Harbor which occurred on 9/11.
Although millions in America now view the Iraqi war as a mistake and Al Qaeda as a Bush-neo-con myth created to instill fear, Schmitt is still trying to convince Americans of the administration's good intentions in the face of dwindling support for the war and other Bush policies, both home and abroad.

Besides Schmitt, others behind PNAC's global war strategy, bent on destroying the United States, include Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Presidential Advisor Richard Perle and World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz.

According to former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, the Bush administration was so obsessed with its planned Iraq invasion from the moment it took power that they had no time for other issues. Then in July, 2001, after the Taliban pipeline deal fell through, they committed to invading Afghanistan in the fall, also impossible without 9/11.
Even though the Bush still plays the terror card justifying his illegal war, prominent Americans from all walks of live, both conservative and liberal, are now calling 9/11 an inside government, citing numerous inconsistencies in the official story making it impossible to believe.

Some of those prominent Americans who disbelieve the government's official 9/11 story, calling it an inside job, include former Republican cabinet members Catherine Austin Fitts, Morgan Reynolds and Paul Craig Roberts. Others include writer Gore Vidal, noted theologian David Ray Griffin as well as David Cobb, Rabbi Machael Lerner, CIA analyst Ray McGovern, Howard Zinn, Jim Hightower, Rep. Cynthia McKinney, British ex-Environmental Minister Michael Meecher and the later Sen. Paul Wellstone.
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I would LOVE to see that asshole arrested!!

Cornposters, can you imagine if the MSM was doing its job in 2001? Psycho Bush would have been a babbling idiot sooner rather than later.

Saladin,
I agree that many of the Democrats in Washington are lethargic. And I agree that many came from the same type of machine. We need a new strong party to challenge the machine. However, I hate to give up too fast because in my state at the state and local level the Democrats are hardworking and most of the time work for the middle class. My concern, and I think the people of MN have made it clear, is that we send somebody of substance to the Senate.

You know that raise you thought you got? Forget about it.
Gasoline costs will wipe out raises, study says

Workers can expect an average pay raise of about 3.7 percent his year, but because of sky-high gasoline prices, they'll pour all but a smidgen of that extra cash down the gas tank commuting to work according to an analysis by Salary.com.

Jeanne, I haven't completely given up hope, But I have given up on the current dem party. They are lying, bought off traitors. If they were all like your states reps we might have a chance, but since the majority appears to be on the same rape and pillage mission as bushco I am afraid nothing short of outright revolution by the people will turn this ship around. And even then, we will still be facing an economic collapse that will make the great depression look like a picnic at Disneyland. There is no stopping that. It is red alert time, all the indicators are pointing at a very rough road ahead, no matter who wins the upcoming mid-term elections. I hope that everyone who has any kind of investments read the Devvy Kidd article I posted yesterday. The time is now to get yourself out of debt and prepare for the worst.

#84 Saladin, Amen Sister!!!

Bush, the chimp, is a babbling idiot!!!

I can't believe what I just saw on HARDBALL. It was scathing and it was about the scandle and the indictments. Chris Mathews laid it out very plainly and recited the timeline.

Hardball on Rove and the Leak

I imagine Bush is having a temper tantrum over this piece.

This is a headline news piece from Democracy Now.

Bolton Blocks UN Discussion of Rights Violations in Sudan
This news from the United Nations: U.S. ambassador John Bolton has blocked a U.N. envoy from addressing the Security Council on human rights violations in the Darfur region of Sudan. Bolton said that "We should talk about next steps, not about how to arrange the furniture in the Security Council." The envoy, Juan Mendez, told reporters that the human rights situation is "much more dangerous and worrisome" than he had expected, with "massive attacks of an indiscriminate nature against civilians" in camps in Darfur. Mendez added that the Sudanese government is refusing to cooperate with an International Criminal Court investigation into war crimes in the country. Bolton is one of the Bush administration's fiercest opponents of the Hague-based court. Meanwhile, two African Union troops and two civilian contractors were killed in the region Saturday, the first members of the AU mission to lose their lives.

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The Bush Administration put Bolton in place to dismantle the UN. The statements he's making here I think are meant to in the long run trivialize the UN. If less and less gets done then there is less and less reason for it to be there.
I think it's criminal that the Bush administration put in place a person whose sole purpose was to destroy an institution he was given a diplomatic post to.

David,
Great work. I'd be curious to get your take (and anybody else out there) on how Rove's posturing may be part of a firewall against a civil suit that the Wilson's will no doubt bring against him and the whole crew once Fitzgerald has his way with them. Not "intended" to be part of a "scheme"? It's Rove's modus operandi!!! Thanks again.

Is Bush so demented, depraved, deranged that he is preparing to unleashed nuclear weapons against Iran and Syria?

Is Bush a personification of Hitler? Is Bush a personification of Stalin?

Scott Ritter was on the Diane Riehm (spell) Show and he was very informative. It was a very good show.

Revving up China's Threat

More nuclear wars will come under Bush and his demonic and diabolical ways. I can just picture how glad the kkkevangelicals must feel at this time. The role of the fundies and the evas are similar to Islam and its political idealogue over its religious intentions.

How long can this go on?

Mr. Roberts, it will go on forever because Americans are mirror images of the bushgod.

I enjoy reading Mr. Roberts articles because he is a conservative with a brain who says Bush should be impeached.

Jeanne, it is not the intention of the neocons to dismantle the UN, on the contrary, the intention is to make it over into their own evil image to use as a tool for their NWO Govt. There is tons of info. concerning this plan and it is now, with boltons appointment, coming to fruition. The first order of business is to complete the dismantling of the US as a democratic republic, and as you can see, that has been nearly accomplished. When Asia finally gets fed up with us and yanks the credit card out from under we the people, then you will see the grand plan in all it's horrible glory. Alan Greenspan and the Federal Reserve, the MSM, and the US Govt. all share the blame for the purposeful destruction of this country.

Romans 13

I can see the shit fly for another religious post.

Our Troops Do Not Support the Constitution

People who support the Iraq war are unpatriotic.

Bush, Congress, and the Supreme Court have destroyed our U.S. Constitution. America is no longer a democracy. We are a nation of savage animals who are into immediate gratification and the the lust for murders, war crimes, torture, and endless wars.

PEOPLE, IT IS TRULY OVER FOR US AS A HUMANE PEOPLE!!!!!

The War on Terror

Bush is truly insane.

Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat.

Matthew also talks about the path to heaven is narrow and only a few will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Are you a bushgod disciple?

Bush's policies are leading us to damnation.

# 92 Jeanie..Bolton is making every effort to lay the ground work for U.S. military action in Iran.. A recent UN resolution moves the agenda for military action in Iran just a little closer. The same individuals who LIED us into the illegal invasion of Iraq are continuing to maker their run to "Secure the Realm". They have been busy making efforts to incorporate more regiional transformation, via military action in Iran and Syria.
Recently in the news Tony Blair stated that it "appeared" that Iran was involved with the killing of British soldiers in Iraq.
Is Bolton in there "fixing the intelligence" making sure that the intelligence about the Hariri asssination points clearly at Syria?

The very same folks that created the fabricated intelligence to support the invasion of Iraq are busy creating the perception that Iran and Syria are real threats.

Today October 11, I was able to get through the Diane Rehm show to ask the Un weapons inspector Scott Ritter questions. Many of us know Scott Ritter had the facts ,integrity and the honesty to speak truth to power in regard to the Bush administration's claims about Iraq's supposed WMD's. When I asked Scott whether he thought the american people would ever know the truth about the Niger documents? He basically said no. When I asked him whether he thought Phase Ii of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence would ever be implemented( this is the investigation that was supposed to begin after the election). He did not think so. This committee would investigate the OSP and the White House Iraq group. I believe with enough pressure from the american public we could seen this important part of the investigation actually take place. PHASE II NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND WE NEED TO DEMAND THAT IT BE IMPLEMETED.

WHEN I ASKED HIM "DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAN AND SYRIA' HE RESPONDED THAT "WE ARE HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION ." GO LISTEN TO TODAYS' PROGRAM (october 11).......DIANE REHM WITH SCOTT RITTER IT WAS REFRESHING TO HEAR SOMEONE WHO TELLS THE TRUTH.... the american people need to do everything they can do to pre-empt these radical right wingers efforts to use any military in Iran Or Syria........

Arrogant Homo sapiens

Like they promised they're running the country like a corporation, exactly like all of their businesses in the past, corrupt and dishonest. They've have been playing their crooked game and winning at it for so many years they probably thought they were not only the players, but the creators, judges and executioners of the game. Alas! But wait! (and for dramatic flair, a la Pacino in Scarface) "Let me introduce you to "My Little Friend", (Stage Left: Curtains part to reveal: a man) ÔøΩPatrick Fitzgerald! Whoa! Didn't expect the Mick to be so tenacious, Didja! Fellas?ÔøΩ (Always under estimating the enemy these geniuses)

And like their soul-less thug counterparts over at Enron. These once high-flying company stock and valuations always come crashing down to reality and all the players are finally revealed for what they truly are, Arrogant Homo sapiens.

*Business note of caution. There are times when giant corporations make such a enormous investment in a project they will keep dumping money into to a financial black hole hoping to stop the hemorrhaging. The term "Throwing good money after bad". When that is no longer a satisfactory reality they move onto one of many contingency plans and when that doesn't work they'll get desperate. Attacking Iran and/or Syria is a very plausible and possible page in this Neo-Con business plan.

You heard it hear first on DavidKorn.com

My predication, Karl Roves ends his life by suicide.

Like his mother before him, Karl Rove offÔøΩs himself prior to the commencement of his trial for conspiracy*. (*Note, I'ÔøΩm just predicating the suicide, not the charges). He'ÔøΩll think this will be the ultimate "Taking one for the (conservative) team". Any takers?

Yelnats, I hope this timeline would help you

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