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September 23, 2005Has FBI Failed in a Big Power-grab?Has the FBI failed in a Bush-blessed, attempted power-grab? That was the lead sentence in an article of mine posted yesterday at www.thenation.com. But somewhere along the line, that line was cut and did not appear as the kickoff sentence. Nevertheless, the article deals with a policy-wonkish subject that has not gotten the attention it deserves: the FBI trying to grab a power that would go far beyond what the Patriot Act permits. If you had any concern about the Patriot Act, then you ought to be worried about the Bureau's attempt to obtain what's known as administrative subpoena power. As the article notes, civil libertarians of the right and left fret about this. Read on. And let me note that research support for this article was provided by the Institute for Justice and Journalism at the USC Annenberg School for Communication, which awarded me a fellowship last year. The FBI Fails (For Now) to Grab Subpoena Powers With several key provisions of the controversial Patriot Act set to expire later this year, Congress has been working for months on legislation that would extend and perhaps restrict those provisions. Most of the debate has concerned whether the Patriot Act went too far and has focused on the measure's Section 215, which allows the FBI to obtain library records and other "tangible things" in a terrorism or national security investigation by obtaining a warrant from the super-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court. But the FBI, with the presumed approval of the White House, has been pushing for power that would go beyond that of the controversial Section 215. In particular, the bureau has wanted the new Patriot Act measure to award it the right to issue administrative subpoenas. With an administrative subpoena, an FBI agent could--without going to a court or a grand jury--demand that a person or institution hand over any record on another person or organization: financial papers, health records, library records, e-mails and more. The order would be subject to judicial review only if the recipient--say, an Internet service provider--opposed the order. Administrative subpoenas would give the FBI greater power than Section 215 and national security letters. (With a national security letter, the FBI can, without bothering a court, obtain a limited set of information--certain financial documents, credit reports and Internet-use records. But a federal court last year declared national security letters unconstitutional. The Bush Administration has filed an appeal.) Moreover, as Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies, notes, "The FBI wants this administrative subpoena power forever"--that is, with no sunset provision. Beating back the FBI's demand for this authority would be a victory for the civil liberties community. And so far, the FBI has been losing. Opposition to FBI administrative subpoenas has united civil libertarians of the left and right. Nancy Libin, staff counsel at the Center for Democracy and Technology, notes that administrative subpoena power is "really kind of scary. The FBI would have the right to approach any business or person and say, 'Hand over whatever we want,' and a gag order would be attached. You can't challenge the subpoena. You can't talk about it. If an FBI agent wants a grand jury subpoena, he has to go through a prosecutor. It's not just an agent issuing a subpoena. Administrative subpoenas would make Section 215 moot." Paul Rosenzweig, a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation and a prominent champion of the original Patriot Act, says, "I don't like administrative subpoenas. Judges have to be involved. A law that permits the uninhibited exercise of executive authority is bad." And Suzanne Spalding, former assistant general counsel at the CIA, argues that "removing courts is a mistake." In its search for administrative subpoena authority, the FBI turned to the Senate Intelligence Committee. In May, as the committee was considering legislation to reauthorize parts of the Patriot Act, Valerie Caproni, the FBI's general counsel, testified before it, claiming that the bureau desperately needs administrative subpoenas for its terrorism investigations: "We cannot wait to disrupt terrorist acts or to prosecute terrorist crimes after they occur. To stay a step ahead of the terrorists, investigators need tools allowing them to obtain relevant information as quickly as possible." She noted that regulatory agencies that probe healthcare fraud and child abuse can issue administrative subpoenas. But as Democratic members of the Intelligence Committee pointed out in a subsequent report, Caproni, upon being questioned, "could not document significant past or current instances when national security investigations faltered or were hindered due to lack of an administrative subpoena authority." The Democrats also noted that the administrative subpoena power available to other agencies is far more limited than what the FBI has been seeking. And when the Democrats proposed providing administrative subpoena power to the FBI for "emergency use," Republicans on the committee, apparently fronting for the FBI, voted against it. Emergency authority was not good enough; the FBI wanted full and everyday use of this wide-ranging power. Why has the FBI been hellbent on administrative subpoena authority? Rosenzweig says he suspects it is a case of bureaucratic "gimme, gimme, gimme." Robert Litt, a former federal prosecutor and past senior Justice Department official, notes that the FBI "hates having to go through the Department of Justice to get information. But going to an assistant US Attorney to get a subpoena is hardly that burdensome." Litt says the FBI's current drive for administrative subpoena authority is part of a years-long effort to expand the bureau's power that predates September 11, 2001. After 9/11 the Bush Administration proposed antiterrorism legislation that included a provision that would allow the FBI to issue administrative subpoenas. But Congress resisted and stuck to the notion that the FBI's authority to obtain records ought to be subject to judicial review. Congress did relax pre-existing restrictions, giving birth to the infamous Section 215. "None of us who participated in drafting Section 215 thought it would become so controversial, given that we retained FISA court procedures," says Beryl Howell, who at the time was general counsel for the Democratic-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee. "Originally the FBI wanted administrative subpoenas so they would not have to go to court to get third-party records, so they could bypass courts and prosecutors. Section 215 was a disappointment for the FBI." The FBI lost the battle in 2001 but did not forget about the issue. In June the Republican-controlled Intelligence Committee, led by chairman Pat Roberts, approved Patriot Act legislation that granted the FBI administrative subpoena authority. Under this bill it would be a crime in some instances for the recipient of such a subpoena to tell anyone that he or she had received one. Democratic members of the committee complained that such a gag order "could prevent the recipient of an FBI administrative subpoena from exercising First Amendment rights to protest government action, including by bringing abuses to the attention of members of Congress or Inspectors General." By winning over the Senate Intelligence Committee, the FBI had only managed to clear a low hurdle. "The intelligence committees on the Hill are generally viewed as being held hostage by the agencies they oversee, but the judiciary committees are not," says one former senior Capitol Hill staffer. "Judiciary committee members tend to be more familiar with law enforcement and civil liberties issues and sometimes more skeptical of additional authority. It's par for the course for the FBI to go to the intelligence committees, which say yes, and then it's the judiciary committees' job to say no or to work out a compromise. Usually this happens behind closed doors, with staff aides on the different committees holding informal discussions. But not this year." As the Senate Intelligence Committee was doing the FBI's bidding, the House and Senate Judiciary Committees--which also have jurisdiction over the reauthorization of the Patriot Act--signaled that they were cool to idea of administrative subpoena authority. The Republican chairmen of the committees--Representative James Sensenbrenner Jr. and Senator Arlen Specter--both opposed the proposal. They were not swayed by the FBI argument that it has extensive powers to obtain evidence when conducting criminal investigations and should be able to do the same in terrorism and national security cases. "The problem," says Howell, "is that in a criminal investigation there are procedures built in to counterbalance any FBI overreaching. A subpoenaed party can complain to a judge. Grand jury investigations proceed under court supervision. These safety valves do not exist in national security investigations, which tend to be broader investigations than criminal investigations. That's why members of Congress--Republicans and Democrats--have been skeptical of granting the FBI this power." And as Kate Martin points out, if the FBI is investigating suspected terrorists as part of a criminal investigation, it can use all the available criminal tools. A Senate aide who worked on this matter adds, "Given all the concerns regarding Section 215 and the sensitivity of third-party records, people recognized that if you take judges out of the equation--which is what an administrative subpoena does--that would be a step back." Sensenbrenner, a conservative Republican, and Specter, a moderate Republican, ended up crafting different versions of the new Patriot Act legislation. The bill produced by Sensenbrenner's committee (and approved by the full House) preserved the controversial parts of the Patriot Act and extended these measures for ten years. The bill written by Specter's committee (and OK'd by the Senate) applied several new restrictions to these provisions and gave them four more years of life. But both pieces of legislation left out administrative subpoena authority. (The Senate Intelligence Committee's Patriot Act legislation was essentially shoved aside.) Next, the two measures will go to a House-Senate conference, where Specter, Sensenbrenner and other senators and representatives will attempt to produce a compromise bill acceptable to both houses. This might offer the FBI one more shot at obtaining administrative subpoena authority, but Congressional aides say it's unlikely the bureau can overcome opposition from the chairmen of the judiciary committees. But before the House approved its Patriot Act update, Representative Jeff Flake, a Republican, passed a little-noticed amendment that would bolster national security letters. This amendment, according to civil liberties advocates, could eventually become a backdoor for administrative subpoena authority. "The only difference between Flake's amendment and Roberts's administrative subpoena proposal," says Kate Martin, "is that Roberts would permit the seizure of every kind of record and thing, and the Flake amendment only involves those categories of records covered by the existing national security letters. If the Flake amendment gets passed in the final version of this legislation, the FBI will simply try to expand its coverage to everything else." While civil liberties advocates appear to have thwarted the FBI on outright administrative subpoena authority, the bureau has not declared this case closed. The latest tussle is just another round in a battle that is expected to continue. "It's hard to see stopping something bad as a win," says an aide for a Democratic senator who opposed the administrative subpoena proposal. "But we're going to have to come back again and again to keep stopping it." Indeed, in late July--after the House and Senate had produced versions of the Patriot Act legislation without administrative subpoena authority--FBI director Robert Mueller was still urging Congress to hand the FBI such power. "The FBI is always persistent," says Beryl Howell. "They don't give up." Posted by David Corn at September 23, 2005 10:17 PM |
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All I hear from you liberals/leftists/socialists/communists is that Bush is bad, but you offer no alternative policies. As you should have learned from the 2004 election, hatred does not inspire people, and if you're going to criticize Bush, you better have an alternative plan.
I don't understand your fixation with getting Bush (!) he isn't running for re-election lol!
Posted by: Bush Is Our President at September 23, 2005 10:52 PM
I am sad to say that Sensenbrenner is my Representative. With Feingold and Kohl voting for Roberts, I feel my representation in Congress is failing all around me. While I feel more confident about Feingold and Kohl as a whole, Sensenbrenner is a lost cause to me.
This subpoena incident will not go away. We must change control in the House. I am going to do whatever I can to support the Democratic opponent of Sensenbrenner's the next time he runs.
Yes we need a revolution. No war is a good starting platform. We should add bring back civil liberties to the list.
Posted by: flan at September 23, 2005 10:54 PM
#1 - You are right on one point, we liberals need to concentrate on the Republicans as a whole instead of concentrating on Bush.
Posted by: flan at September 23, 2005 10:56 PM
All this power makes only one thing possible...abuse.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 23, 2005 11:34 PM
Anybody hear anything from Alan?
Posted by: Hajji at September 23, 2005 11:39 PM
Bush is drunk with power - or is he just drunk?
Posted by: flan at September 23, 2005 11:41 PM
Mr. David Corn,
The power grab in never going to stop under this WH. We will not pull out of Iraq. Things will get far worse before they get any better.
"The worst government is the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression." ~ H L Mencken
Thanks
Kirk
Posted by: capt at September 23, 2005 11:46 PM
David,
Post 911, there is a delicate balancing act going on between law enforcement and the tight to privacy. I, for one, am 100% against any government intrusion into a person's private matters. But the balancing act involves actually
pits two things the government should respect most, right to privacy & providing for the general welfare of the populace, against each other.
Let's say that I have a neighbor who announces to me one day that he is dissatisfied with the current administration and he intends to do something about it. When I inquire as to what he means, he claims that he knows how to make a certain type of bomb and intends to set one off to let the government know just how vulnerable we are to a terrorist attack. I would naturally tell my neighbor he is foolish to think such thoughts. I may even go a step further and tell him that not only would he ruin the lives of those who would be affected by his action, he would also ruin his life. Since I am no psychologist, I may want to inform the local authorities of my neighbor's intent, regardless of whether I thought him to be serious or not.
Now, the struggle between the right to privacy and the general welfare of the populace. There may be no way for certain to know that my neighbor intends to do what he told me he intended to do. The police or FBI only have my account of what my neighbor told me. Is this enough to act on or should the authorities jump through judicial hoops to find out whether my neighbor is serious or not. In the meantime, I have to live with the knowledge that my neighbor intends to do something with disasterous consequences, not knowing for certsin if he is serious or not.
I make this point to illustrate what occured to your media darling, Hush Rimbaugh. The prosecutor took the word of a cleaning lady and conducted an all out search.
Posted by: Tim H at September 23, 2005 11:50 PM
Bush and his merry band of morons are drunk with the delusion of power. The only power they have is to make our lives miserable. They will exercise that power because that is all they have. They can never take our sense of humor and they cannot reverse what is right and wrong. They decided long ago doing the right thing is not the same as winning. They decided winning is more important and therefore they lose. Balance will return to the universe, in time.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 23, 2005 11:54 PM
# 1 LOL yourself, asshole. You jerks fixated on Clinton when he was out of office -- and you're starting up again. You've never gotten over him.
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You say:
"I don't understand your fixation with getting Bush (!) he isn't running for re-election lol!"
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You are right, however, we should NOT be focused on that loser, that failure, that embarrassment -- we should be focusing on the entire group of Repug Thugs. Thanks for reminding us.
Posted by: micki at September 24, 2005 12:06 AM
I think the rules we have in place make the prosecution put together a certain and substancial case before they take it to a judge. I think that some of the evidence that can be gathered with all of these new powers will in some cases be junk evidence. If I take out a book on fertilizer does that make me a terrorist? If I suddenly take an interest in Islamic religion do I become somebody to be watched? If there is no evidence that I am a threat to society is there any reason the FBI can just decide to investigate me? A judge can look at the fact that I have done nothing wrong and protect me from an abuse of power. Maybe the FBI wouldn't investigate me but they would investigate those vulnerable to harrassment. Like say immigrants from the middle east, blacks involved in hip hop movement, civil rights advocates, those in the peace movement, . It too easily, becomes somebodies uneasy feeling about a culture they are not comfortable with. I saw this happen in the '70' when I was in college.
They didn't like one of my professors. They'd come and harrass him. For what? Who knows.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 12:13 AM
Micki,
When I think of the neocons and Clinton I always think of that freak Starr. He always carried that big jug of coffee. He was soooooo impressed with himself. What a dick.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 12:17 AM
This is the kind of story that tells me that the FBI should not be given more power. Power is abuse.
The Disturbing Case of Abdul Amir Younes Hussein. This is the case of a CBS reporter in Iraq who sits in jail without charges, trial, lawyer being allowed to defend him.
Another case, this one in the US.
Palestinian activist Farouk Abdel-Muhti was released from jail Monday night (April 12 2004) nearly two years after he was detained by U.S. immigration officials. He was never charged with a crime. In a national exclusive, Democracy Now! speaks with Abdel-Muhti in his first interview as a free man. He discusses his release, his struggle for freedom and the conditions of his detention which included 8-months of 23-hour lockdown in solitary confinement. [Includes rush transcript]
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Prominent New York Palestinian activist Farouk Abdel-Muhti was released Thursday and returned home nearly two years after he was detained by U.S. immigration officals. He has never been charged with a crime.
A Pennsylvania federal judge last week ordered his release.
In April 2002, three New York police officers and an INS agent, all in civilian dress, came to Abdel-Muhti's Queens apartment without a warrant. They claimed they wanted to ask Abdel-Muhti some questions about September 11th. They said they believed there were weapons and explosives in the apartment. When Farouk's roommate, Bernard McFall refused to open the door, they threatened to break it down, entering without a warrant.
But Abdel-Muhti wasn't at home because he was at an early morning interview at Pacifica station WBAI-New York. He learned of the raid from his son, Tarek, and his roommate, Bernard McFall who works for the Environmental Protection Agency.
He was detained on April 26, 2002 and jailed in various facilities ever since, often in solitary confinement, subjected to extensive interrogation, and often been denied food. His supporters considered him to be a political prisoner. As a Palestinian who came to the U.S. four decades ago, Abdel-Muhti argued he is "stateless" and has no country to which he can be deported.
Abdel-Muhti later died from a heart attack. He was given poor medical treatment while in detentions for a heart condition.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 12:32 AM
The Patriot Act and libraries. I keep a list of all the books I check out of the library on my computer. Over a year ago I had a computer problem and lost maybe the last 5 books I entered. I asked one of my librarians if they could pull up the last couple books I checked out and they said they couldn't do that. When I asked her why, she just said they couldn't. I took it that she wasn't allowed to because certainly their computers are capable.
I said, "If John Ashcroft came in here you'd pull them up for him." That was another nail in the coffin of this government....when they can see my library records and I can't!
Posted by: Carol at September 24, 2005 12:54 AM
By the way, regarding the Department of Peace and Nonviolence, that would be a waste of money. It's redundant, too. We already have all the institutions we need. We just need the right people to run them. Shouldn't the State Department be in charge of peace? I don't think we need another "Department" of anything.
We also can't afford it.
Posted by: Carol at September 24, 2005 01:02 AM
Do some of you more radical posters understand that, with all of your "Bush is Hitler" nonsense, you sound just as silly as the conservatives pursuing Bill Clinton? And why the obsession with Bush? Do you understand that, for better or worse, Bush will never run for another public office? Like General Honore in New Orleans said to one reporter, "Don't get stuck on stupid." Look forward, not backwards.
Do you also understand that, if you impeach Bush, Dick Cheney becomes President? Is that what you really want? How about Rice? Hastert?
Bill
Posted by: Bill at September 24, 2005 01:07 AM
We have a Fascist government. Hence Hitler and the Nazis come to mind. And if you study how the Hitler regime worked you can see it happening here. It's as simple as that.
Posted by: History Buff at September 24, 2005 01:17 AM
Interesting and frightrening piece.
Pardon the diversion: I subscribe to the Nation and have been meaning for some time to write you and ask if Herb Corn was a relative. Upon graduation from hight school in 1942 I moved to Alexandria VA to live with my Dad who worked in the Alexandria torpedo station. While there I got a job as a copy boy on the Washington Star, where Herb Corn was, as I remember, managing editor. He was a bright guy and especially friendly to the copy boys and girls. Bill Hill was city editor; Chuck Egan
was an editor, as was Harold Bailey. Benjamin McKelway was the boss. Those were exciting times for an 18-year-old ranch kid. I recall picking up copies of the red streak for the editors and reporters on Oct. 18, 1942--my 18th birthday The banner headline: "Congress votes to draft 18-year-olds." Four months later I got drafted.
Bill Kunerth 19 Statesboro Drive, Belle Fourche, S.D. 57717
Posted by: Bill Kunerth at September 24, 2005 01:20 AM
Unfortunately Bill, Cheney is president. Why are we stuck on stupid? Because stupid is acting as president. This is not the same as when Clinton was in the presidency. Clinton was an able president. The Neocons were an insidious swarm of insects that kept encroaching until they found a weakness. What a waste. The Neocons are still the encroaching swarm. I personally believe that taking issues like the one David Corn is addressing is looking forward. We need to keep pressuring Congress to do the right thing.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 01:24 AM
The internet, and blogs in particular give us a bigger opportunity than hashing these things out amongst ourselves, they give us open access to our Representatives.
Don't like the way they voted? Tell them. They are from another State? Tell them anyway. They may never read the content, but some aid will dutifully record pro or con on any given issue.
Reelection looms for many, use it, before we loose it.
As cathartic as blogging is, if you really seriously care about an issue, inform yourself and write to editors of newspapers all over the country.
We need to find a way to meet in the middle or we face civil war.
Could be why the FBI is so desperate to grab this power.
Rats are deserting this sinking ship. The head of the FDA resigned. Anyone look into how many career professionals have resigned from positions of power in our government in the last year? Or why?
Outing Plame caused some attrition at the CIA Im sure.
As to more power for the FBI to gather information, give me a big break, they HAD information; important information that they declined to act on in regard to the flight schools and the students from the middle east.
Giving the FBI more power is like giving the shoolyard bully a big ol stick.
Posted by: titchaba at September 24, 2005 02:28 AM
"Anybody hear anything from Alan?"
Looks like we skated by on this one. So far anyway. They're reporting 200,000 local people without power, but it hasn't even rained hard here. Off 'n on sprinkling, and off 'n on gusts of wind blowing the shyt outta the trees (maybe 40-50 mph), but that's it for me. I've been going out on the back porch alot to watch it come in, but we're getting just the edge, and on the "clean" side too. The weirdest thing is... every so often there's a blue flash across the sky, but no 'bolt' like lightning does. Well, it's from transformers arcing. Some blow and some just spark a bit... but it looks strange. The 'eye wall' is hitting land as I type in Cameron Parish La. It's kinds rough on the Beaumont/Port Arthur area of Texas, but Louisianna, on the "dirty" side of the 'cane is getting the worst.
Hey Hajji, thanks for asking maaaaan!
*shoots ya the peace sign*
Posted by: Alan at September 24, 2005 02:39 AM
"I make this point to illustrate what occured to your media darling, Hush Rimbaugh. The prosecutor took the word of a cleaning lady and conducted an all out search."
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*cough That's a hella jump from talking about a possible terrorist act (keyword:possible) and eyewitness account of drug use. One is covered under usual criminal statutes, no? And the other one is kinda iffy, at best. Whoaaa, I like that word "iffy". That pretty-much describes everything Doofus has done. haha
Posted by: Alan at September 24, 2005 02:47 AM
Billmon's pissed
Visitors to the amateur porn website nowthatsfuckedup.com were given a much closer view of the action . . . Originally created as a site for men to share images of their sexual partners, this site has taken the concept of user-created content to a grim new low: US troops stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan are invited to display graphic battlefield photos apparently taken with their personal digital cameras. And thousands of people are logging on to take a look.
Posted by: Alan at September 24, 2005 04:07 AM
fake NYT headline
Posted by: Alan at September 24, 2005 04:43 AM
Alan, So ya decided to ride 'er out. I don't blame ya. Did you see the 100 mile long traffic jam? I think I'd rather take my chances in H-town than be stalled out and out of gas somewhere on the side of the road.
Man, I hope that Seafood Buffet Joint that I stop at just inside of Texas is still there the next time I come down there. Mmm, Crawdad Creole and that Gumbo.
Hey Galveston, oh Galveston, it's great to see you lucked out.
I still hear your sea winds blowin'
Your waves crashin'
Your sea birds laughin'
My girls dark eyes glowin'
I hope to see you again!
-Big Al
Posted by: alpieda at September 24, 2005 04:48 AM
The FBI could turn this country into Abu Gerb. I have worked on (carpenter) government jobs since the '70's in downtown Washington and surronding areas . The Homeland Security people have provided the construction industry with a new market.
As Robert Samulson explained shortly after 9/11, security is expensive. My career (superintendent) has allowed me into facilities which are being designed to control a gulog. Concrete trucks are sniffed by dogs while the (prescreened) driver is electronically fingerprinted.
The Army Corp. skimmed 5% from our invoice, They are not engineers, more like the mob.
Good luck to the gulf coast, use good tradesmen to rebuild.
Posted by: tomtorque at September 24, 2005 05:58 AM
Didn't they used to call this "paying protection"?
Not unlike the insurance industry. Government mandated insurance..........o.k. I had three claims in three years, and then spent three years paying double. Yeah, thats fair.
Posted by: titchaba at September 24, 2005 06:09 AM
Comment 1 Bush is Our President.
He aint mine, and I am neither leftist nor all that liberal. I know an idiot when I see one in action, Im 57, it helps to be old.
First and formost it is a sign of serious immaturity to give in to the impulse to call names and think it means anything.
Do something that helps or shut up.
Posted by: titchaba at September 24, 2005 06:27 AM
Alan,
I spoke to one person tonight in NO. He requested rubber gloves. I sent him 48 pair.
This was out of pocket, and fine with me.
Im not a rich person, given some lead time I can seek contributions.
I have mad time and this is a cause dear to my heart. Ill start a disaster relief site, but I need to hear from principals. Im not all that trusting about making contributions to recommended charities.
Real people with real need will get my attention.
Posted by: Titchaba at September 24, 2005 07:25 AM
Titchaba,
Finding ways to help individuals is really good. Seems like it serves to keep the dillution of individual contributions to large organizations to a minimum. Jill always seems to give just about every patient she sees her phone #.
While those 7am and midnight calls are sometimes irritating, it is almost always something that can be taken care of in just a few minutes doesn't hardly every cost much, if anything and makes a world of difference to the patient. It also serves to keep a nurturer like Jill plugged in to the health and safety of those she serves.
I don't think I'll ever be THAT dedicated, but she is fed and nourished by it.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 08:21 AM
Alan,
I hope you'll not take my lack of late-night vigil as indifference. Went south to see Jill's grandbabygirl last night. Talked extensively to Marshall about how lucky he was at DubbyaDaddy Intl. Thursday and crashed about 2am right coast time.
I was hopin' nobody was gonna pop the phase "Dodge a Bullet" at least until the bullets stopped flying. Glad to know it hasn't been too bad for you.
I hope the good people up in Beaumont, Port Arthur, Orange and Lake Charles and all the little 'burs, towns and bayou St.-somebodyies made it out, ok. The 20' local storm surge couldn't be good for ANYTHING along the waterways. I understand that the drainage there is better. I haven't heard what the tide was doing when that Bitch Rita hit the beach.
Update us as you can...
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 08:36 AM
Crapola!
I just got called to say I'm on 2-hour callback to recieve "Rita evacuees"...
Sigh...here we go again. Was planning on heading up to Knoxville, TN for a rally tonight. It is about 3hrs away...Close enough? I dunno. Anybody got a line on other regional Peace rallies better that United for Peace and Justice?
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 09:20 AM
David, on July 27, 2005, ROBERT MUELLER said in a statement before the Senate Judiciary Committee:
"I would like to stress that the administrative subpoena power proposal would provide the recipient the ability to quash the subpoena on the same grounds as a grand jury subpoena."
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Can the recipient challenge the subpoena?
Posted by: micki at September 24, 2005 10:09 AM
Jeanne: LOL! Yeah, that prissy Ken Starr...remember when he'd start every sickening statement in his affected, upper-crust lockjaw:
"If I may say....."
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Gag.
Posted by: micki at September 24, 2005 10:12 AM
The traitorous Patriot Act opened the door to all manner of civil abuse, and everyone in congress, both left and right, voted for it out of sheer panic without even reading it. Pretty convenient that they had it all written up and ready to go at a moments notice, and that handy antrax letter to move things along.
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 10:28 AM
Heading to Seattle shortly for the anti-war demo, but this just in:
Pattern of Abuse
A decorated Army officer reveals new allegations of detainee mistreatment in Iraq and Afghanistan. Did the military ignore his charges?
By ADAM ZAGORIN
Posted Friday, Sep. 23, 2005
The U.S. Army has launched a criminal investigation into new allegations of serious prisoner abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan made by a decorated former Captain in the Army's 82nd Airborne Division, an Army spokesman has confirmed to TIME. The claims of the Captain, who has not been named, are in part corroborated by statements of two sergeants who served with him in the 82nd Airborne; the allegations form the basis of a report from Human Rights Watch obtained by TIME and due to be released in the next few days Senate sources tell TIME that the Captain has also reported his charges to three senior Republican senators: Majority Leader Bill Frist, Armed Services Committee chairman John Warner and John McCain, a former torture victim in Vietnam. A Senate Republican staffer familiar with both the Captain and his allegations told TIME he appeared "extremely credible."
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Posted by: micki at September 24, 2005 10:30 AM
It seems to me the administrations is trotting out all the same old arguments for invading our lives only instead of looking for commies they are looking for terrorists.
Posted by: Gerry at September 24, 2005 10:33 AM
You GO micki!
Take pictures and share!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 10:34 AM
Oh...one more thing...as an adjunct to the Time report I note above: LEADERSHIP FAILURE
http://hrw.org/reports/2005/us0905/
Thanks hajji!
Posted by: micki at September 24, 2005 10:48 AM
As Protestors Arrive, Bush Runs and Hides
By ANN McFEATTERS
Block News Alliance
Sep 24, 2005, 04:52
As thousands of antiwar protesters began descending on the nation's capital, the nation's president prepared to leave town.
The White House in mid-week said President Bush was scheduled to travel to "TBD" (to be determined) on Friday after leaving Birmingham, Ala., and would be continuing on to "TBD" on Saturday. Clearly, Bush's advisers decided it would not be smart to have the president holed up in the residence, surrounded by a marching sea of angry Americans wearing yellow "Bush lies, who dies?" buttons, especially not with the need to show compassion to victims of yet another hurricane.
Before leaving town, the president went to the Pentagon where, flanked by the very purposeful defense chief Don Rumsfeld and the ever-solicitous Vice President Cheney, he talked about the "major battlefronts" in the war on terror _ Iraq and Afghanistan _ and how the war is going.
Oh, ye of little faith. It's going well!
With killing still going on in Afghanistan, 18,000 Americans there, the fledgling government struggling to hang on, the Taliban rebuilding and Osama bin Laden still loose, what is the progress?
Bush answered, "Afghanistan is a good example of progress being made. You might remember Afghanistan was the home base for the Taliban, as well as al Qaeda. And now we've got a democracy in _ into Afghanistan, and the world is better for it and safer for it. You bet we're making progress."
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Chicken, Chicken-s**t chicken-hawks.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 11:13 AM
To the regulars here, SALUD! Been reading this blog for the past couple of weeks and think highly of most of you.I'm new at this but hope to contribute to the oveall thought provoking substance in time. For now, i'll be listening from the mts of western carolina. buff
Posted by: buffalojoe at September 24, 2005 11:36 AM
Capt, I read that bush is on his way to Colorado to observerve a martial law drill in action.
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From the Alex Jones report;
Bush is visiting Northcom for a reason. That reason is Bush overseeing (but certainly not controlling) a martial law takeover drill which is directly connected to Granite Shadow, which the Washington Post reported, "is yet another new Top Secret and compartmented operation related to the military's extra-legal powers regarding weapons of mass destruction. It allows for emergency military operations in the United States without civilian supervision or control.
The article outlines the preparations for martial law takeover in the US. So Northcom are running a martial law takeover drill at the exact same time that Bush is visiting Northcom. Is this a coincidence?
The operation is taking place right now in Washington DC. To repeat, this is a drill, we do not claim it to be any more than that, though the implications are still sinister. Exercises would normally be cancelled in light of the hurricane but that hasn't prevented this exercise from going ahead
Just as ominous is the fact that Texas Governor Rick Perry has appeared on the news saying that the onslaught of hurricane Rita could provde terrorists with a chance to strike the US at its weakest point.
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He has important business to tend to, first and foremost is determining how best to get us pissed off citizens under control when the shit finally hits the fan. I posted yesterday that the top dems are also staying clear. What a choice we have for the next prez selection, chicken shit, spineless dems taking money from AIPAC or facist neocons bent on destroying the country, and doing a fine job of it.
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 11:38 AM
LETTER TO THE FBI
Posted by: James Ha at September 24, 2005 11:40 AM
welcome buffalojoe, from the Sierra Nevada Mtn.s of Cali.
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 11:40 AM
welcome buffalojoe, from the ABQ~!
very welcome indeed!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 11:43 AM
Very good letter James, too bad no one in a position to do anything will actually read it.
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 11:45 AM
Tombstone
I was wondering what words would be put on America's tombstone at the end time and the rapture. I was also wondering who would carve and etch the tombstone.
I believe the Saint Joseph, the Guardian and Protector of Mary and Jesus, will do the carving and etching. Joseph was a carpenter by trade. As was the custom, Joseph taught Jesus to be a carpenter. Carpenter was a catch all name for a person working with wood but also stones and rocks. The Middle East has many stones and rocks in the region. Being a carpenter was a slow and laborious task.
Once America's tombstone is completed the wrath of God will be upon America and her people. What will be the words on the tombstone? Jesus, while He works with Joseph, has tears in his eyes and bouts of crying and sobbing. A nonviolent Jesus knows that the completion of the tombstone means doom for America.
Completion of the tombstone is a slow and laborious process. The words on the tombstone reads, "HERE LIES A DEPRAVED INDIFFERENT NATION OF COLD BLOODED KILLERS WHO FOUND DELIGHT AND JOY IN THE MURDERING OF HER BROTHERS AND SISTERS."
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 11:47 AM
Tombstone
I was wondering what words would be put on America's tombstone at the end time and the rapture. I was also wondering who would carve and etch the tombstone.
I believe the Saint Joseph, the Guardian and Protector of Mary and Jesus, will do the carving and etching. Joseph was a carpenter by trade. As was the custom, Joseph taught Jesus to be a carpenter. Carpenter was a catch all name for a person working with wood but also stones and rocks. The Middle East has many stones and rocks in the region. Being a carpenter was a slow and laborious task.
Once America's tombstone is completed the wrath of God will be upon America and her people. What will be the words on the tombstone? Jesus, while He works with Joseph, has tears in his eyes and bouts of crying and sobbing. A nonviolent Jesus knows that the completion of the tombstone means doom for America.
Completion of the tombstone is a slow and laborious process. The words on the tombstone reads, "HERE LIES A DEPRAVED INDIFFERENT NATION OF COLD BLOODED KILLERS WHO FOUND DELIGHT AND JOY IN THE MURDERING OF HER BROTHERS AND SISTERS."
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 11:47 AM
Keeping Up
In keeping up with demographic trends America is trying to balance the Supreme Court. Bush has decided on Alberto "The Father of Torture" Gonzales for the remaining position on the Supreme Court.
Bush was scheduled to go to Texas to view the hurricane but he decided to talk to the notorious reverend James Dobson in Colorado Springs. Bush wanted to know the reverend's take on his selection of Gonzo, as he is called by friends.
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 11:55 AM
Just thought I would share a recent e-mail from
Air America. My guess is that it was sent to about 50 people.
Dear Air America Radio Listener,
When we launched the Air America Radio network one year ago, the country was being talked to death by conservative zealots like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and others. Right Wing radio saturated every media market and every community a dominance of the airwaves that has been a huge part of what allowed the Right Wing to:
* Drag America into the Iraq war.
* Open up the Arctic National Refuge for oil drilling.
* Take over both houses of Congress.
* And, of course, win the 2004 Presidential election.
Rather than wait for the Right Wing to run out of breath, we launched Air America Radio to give the country back its voice. Thanks to listeners like you, we have a presence on 70 stations covering 60% of U.S. media markets. Air America Radio currently offers 15 shows and runs 24 hours a day of entertaining but always enlightening programming.
To continue this great success story and start shaping the national debate the way that Right Wing talk radio does every day, we've got to reach into every community in this country. We know we cant achieve this next stage of growth without significant help from you, our loyal listeners.
Weve also been asked on many occasions by our listeners how they can help out. Today we are launching a new program called AIR AMERICA ASSOCIATES that gives you the opportunity to do just that.
As an Air America Associate, you are a member of a special group of listeners who support Air America Radio and are dedicated to building the Air America community. When you sign up, we will send you a packet of bumper stickers to remind you that your job as an Associate is to spread the word about Air America Radio to other progressives in your workplace, your family, and your neighborhood.
Also, as an Air America Associate, you'll be kept informed of events in your area and receive a monthly Associates insider newsletter with backstage news from our shows and our headquarters. And in time, when we launch our paid services, as an Associate you will be eligible for special discounts for premium content.
Rush Limbaugh didn't take over our airwaves by himself he had an army of "dittoheads" behind him. We will never reach the same critical mass that he has without our listeners helping us as well. So, please become an Air America Associate today by clicking here:
Thank you very much for your support,
Danny Goldberg
Air America Radio CEO
Can anyone say Dead Air America? Why don't we just merge it with NPR and call it what is. A taxpayer supported entitlement program just like most liberal policies.
As a conservative, I wish to extend a hand of friendship to the Corn posters. I have a message board that I would like to make available to you should David's site suffer another idiotic attack that shuts down his server or causes other problems. Or, feel free to use it if you wish to go off topic. Remember, just try to keep it clean.
Tim H
Forum
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 12:02 PM
#42, I would say that Saladin's information is more pausible. Prediction! There will be NO and I mean NO Election in 2008. Martial Law will be declared prior to the election, keeping Bush and his neocons in power so that Bush and the neocons will not be tried at The Hague for murder and war crimes.
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 12:02 PM
Elections really do not matter anymore because America's tombstone is about finished.
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 12:05 PM
Sorry for the message error if you tried to click on the Forum from my previous post.
Thy this one and click on "my Forum"
Forum
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 12:08 PM
Animal Lovers
There has been much talk about the leaving of animals during the hurricane. Animals are important but human beings are more important.
We had a dog for 14 years and 3 months until we had to put her to sleep. It was a difficult decision because she was part of the family.
I know that animals are important but why is America home to animal lovers and haters of human beings?
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 12:10 PM
Tim, thanks for the offer, but you may have noticed we go off topic all the time. You claim to be a conservative yet support bushco? This is non-sensical. And as for Air America, I won't miss it if it dies, I never listen to them, they just lie by ommission.
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 12:13 PM
Saladin,
I am not a blind supporter of Bush. I have several areas of disagreement with him and the Congress as a whole. My offer was sincere though. Mainly if some idiot keeps attacking David's site.
Take Care!
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 12:18 PM
Not to mention, I asked a clean question on your "forum" and was scrubbed, asked why and that was scrubbed.
Not an open forum.
If I want to be scrubbed for no reason I can go many. many places.
Thanks, but no thanks,
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 12:20 PM
Hmmm...imagine that...a RADIO network interested in PROMOTION!
How very unusual...
Now...back to shoveling it in a VERY literal way...
-T
p.s. anybody need any organic fertilizer? I got MOUNTAINS of it!
HEY THERE BUFFALOJOE! You might be able to see my HOUSE from there!
I can see the SC/NC border, from around Tuxedo, NC to the top of Sassafrass MT. From the top of my own little mountain between Pickens and Dacusville, SC.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 12:21 PM
neocon is not conservative. Never has been never will be.
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 12:21 PM
The Lord's Prayer
I would like to start with the Lord's Prayer.
Our Father, Who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. Amen.
As Christians, when we recite the Our Father, we must remember that the prayer is more than just words. The prayer is a powerful prayer.
Let us look at the words beyond rote memory. When we say the Our Father, we are acknowledging God as the Father, Our Father. This acknowledgement means that God is the Father of all His children but it is more than the fact that we are His children. We are united in God as brothers and sisters. We are all brothers and sisters.
We know that God is in heaven and that His name will be revered on earth as in heaven. His kingdom is the earth and heaven. We are also asking God for nourishment. As we ask God for nourishment to sustain us, we are asking God to forgive any transgressions and we are to also forgive people who have transgressed against us. Father John Corapi in his lectures equates the daily bread with the Eucharist that Catholics receive at daily Mass. Catholics have a double concern when they recite the Our Father and for Catholics to want to kill their brothers and sisters is a clear indication of irreverence to God. As I have said in some previous posts, that irreverence to God is eternal perdition. I have asked that all of God's children to never show irreverence to God but I especially appeal to my brothers and sisters to never worship a false god which would show irreverence to the true God.
We are also asking God to not be sinful but to keep us away from sin.
The prayer is not just words but it is a powerful statement that we are accepting God as Our Father and as Christians we are united in God as brothers and sisters.
To recite the Our Father and to hate, kill, and revel in wars we really are not Christians. We are instead dishonoring God and we are separated from Him through our sinful ways. To separate ourselves from God, we are on the road to eternal damnation.
In praying we must ask ourselves the question. How can I give glory to God? We can give glory to God by loving and showing mercy to all our brothers and sisters. We are united with God as a family and a community as His children for all eternity.
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 12:24 PM
Origins of Neoconservative
Neoconservatives are conservatives who are "new" (neo) to the conservative movement in some way. Usually, this comes as a result from the migration from the left of the political spectrum to the right, over the course of many years. Though every such neoconservative has an individual story to tell, there are several key events in recent American history that are often said to have prompted the shift.
Some of today's most famous neocons are from Eastern European Jewish immigrant families, who were frequently on the edge of poverty. The Great Depression radicalized many immigrants, and introduced them to the new and revolutionary ideas of socialism and communism. The Soviet Union's break with Stalinism in the 1950's led to the rise of the so-called New Left in America, which popularized anti-Sovietism along with anti-capitalism. The New Left became very popular among the children of hardline Communist families.
Opposition to the New Left and D?tente with the Soviet Union would cause the Neoconservatives to emerge as the first important group of social policy critics from the working class. The original neoconservatives, though not yet using this term, were generally liberals or socialists who strongly supported the Second World War. Multiple strands contributed to their ideas prior to becoming neoconservatives, including the Depression-era ideas of former New Dealers, trade unionists and Trotskyists, particularly those who followed the political ideas of Max Shachtman. The current neoconservative desire to spread democratic capitalism abroad often by force, it is sometimes said, parallels the Trotskyist dream of world socialist revolution. The influence of the Trotskyists perhaps left them with strong anti-Soviet tendencies, especially considering the Great Purges targeting alleged Trotskyists in Soviet Russia. A number of neoconservatives such as Jeane Kirkpatrick, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz were Shachtmanites in their youth while others were involved in the Social Democrats, USA, which was formed by Schachtman's supporters in the 1970s.
The original "neoconservative" theorists, such as Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz, were often associated with the magazine Commentary, and their intellectual evolution is quite evident in that magazine over the course of these years. Throughout the 1950s and early 1960s the early neoconservatives were anti-Communist socialists strongly supportive of the civil rights movement, integration, and Martin Luther King. However, they grew disillusioned with the Johnson administration's Great Society. Some neoconservatives also came to despise the counterculture of the 1960s and what they felt was a growing "anti-Americanism" among many baby boomers, in the movement against the Vietnam War and in the emerging New Left.
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Nothing conservative about neo-liberal thinking. It is as old as the hills and just as effective in politics as the mismanager and thief has been in the WH.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 12:32 PM
Hajji,
Of course you know most stations raise revenue by advertiting. But the advertiser has to know how much bang for their buck they will get. Since there are no listeners to Dead Air America, there is only a whimper for the advertiting buck. Be careful if you head to Knoxville.
Capt.
I wouldn't want you on my forum anyway. You're just too mean.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 12:36 PM
In the event you are looking for an open, uncensored forum for any reason go to Captains Quarters.
I will never scrub nor censor anybody for any reason. You can post any comment or start any topic.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 12:41 PM
Cointelpro, Deja Vu.
Bill said, quoting Gen. Honore, "Don't get stuck on stupid."
Unfortunately, that's what the Supreme Injustices saddled us with as Ex-Pres. Carter noted the other day.
Got my marchin' shoes on...
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 12:41 PM
MEAN?
Why did you scrub a simple question?
I am not mean you are weak.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 12:43 PM
Capt.
Of course, you know I am kidding.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 12:44 PM
Hey Tim H!
Maybe next time the the OHIO floods, maybe YOU and Slow Hand (and brain) DUBBYA could jam.
Looks like you're already playing the same song! He's WAY off key, as usual, though!
-T
p.s. Do you STILL think Bush/Cheney '04 are "The best men to lead this country?"
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 12:44 PM
Now THAT's MEAN!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 12:47 PM
Hajji:
Actually there are far many individuals who could lead this country better than Bush/Cheney. Most of them are too smart to get involved in politics. One guy I actually think could put them all to shame was Ross Perot but even his heart wasn't in it. Believe me when I say, I have an inherent distrust in big government no matter what party is in charge.
Capt:
Just visited Captains Quarters. You have yourself a nice site there. Baby just woke up so it is time for this dad to entertain & feed. I'll pop in later and give it a little more study. Thanks for the link.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 12:50 PM
However, I am not.
Should we revisit your drunken ravings posting as me and others and connecting to NAMBLA?
You still saying Mr. David Corn is a founding member of NAMBLA?
How about some of your locker room and fart jokes and some of that respect you like to spread when you are high?
You are a troll and all the nice talk will never change your stripes.
Thanks just the same, you obviously have no shame or you would not return after the crap you have posted here.
Shall we review? (rhetorical I would no waste my time)
Thanks
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 12:52 PM
Leadership Failure
Firsthand Accounts of Torture of Iraqi Detainees by the U.S. Army's 82nd Airborne Division
I. Summary
On their day off people would show up all the time. Everyone in camp knew if you wanted to work out your frustration you show up at the PUC tent.1 In a way it was sport. The cooks were all U.S. soldiers. One day [a sergeant] shows up and tells a PUC to grab a pole. He told him to bend over and broke the guy’s leg with a mini Louisville Slugger, a metal bat. He was the fucking cook. He shouldn’t be in with no PUCs.
— 82nd Airborne sergeant, describing events at FOB Mercury, Iraq
If I as an officer think we’re not even following the Geneva Conventions, there’s something wrong. If officers witness all these things happening, and don’t take action, there’s something wrong. If another West Pointer tells me he thinks, “Well, hitting somebody might be okay,” there’s something wrong.
— 82nd Airborne officer, describing confusion in Iraq concerning allowable interrogation techniques
Residents of Fallujah called them “the Murderous Maniacs” because of how they treated Iraqis in detention. They were soldiers of the U.S. Army’s 82nd Airborne Division, 1st Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, stationed at Forward Operating Base Mercury (FOB Mercury) in Iraq. The soldiers considered this name a badge of honor.2
One officer and two non-commissioned officers (NCOs) of the 82nd Airborne who witnessed abuse, speaking on condition of anonymity, described in multiple interviews with Human Rights Watch how their battalion in 2003-2004 routinely used physical and mental torture as a means of intelligence gathering and for stress relief. One soldier raised his concerns within the army chain of command for 17 months before the Army agreed to undertake an investigation, but only after he had contacted members of Congress and considered goingpublic with the story.
According to their accounts, the torture and other mistreatment of Iraqis in detention was systematic and was known at varying levels of command. Military Intelligence personnel, they said, directed and encouraged army personnel to subject prisoners to forced, repetitive exercise, sometimes to the point of unconsciousness, sleep deprivation for days on end, and exposure to extremes of heat and cold as part of the interrogation process. At least one interrogator beat detainees in front of other soldiers. Soldiers also incorporated daily beatings of detainees in preparation for interrogations. Civilians believed to be from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) conducted interrogations out of sight, but not earshot, of soldiers, who heard what they believed were abusive interrogations.
All three soldiers expressed confusion on the proper application of the Geneva Conventions on the laws of armed conflict in the treatment of prisoners. All had served in Afghanistan prior to Iraq and said that contradictory statements by U.S. officials regarding the applicability of the Geneva Conventions in Afghanistan and Iraq (see Conclusion) contributed to their confusion, and ultimately to how they treated prisoners. Although none were still in Iraq when we interviewed them, the NCOs said they believed the practices continue. [...] more
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Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 12:57 PM
Robert...
Make sure and wear a "Peace Helmet"... I hear the Freepers are gonna throw rocks...
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 01:02 PM
Capt
I am sincere in extending an olive branch in peace. Some of my rantings in the past were unjustifiable and as I told you in a private e-mail, they were like a foul odor. You just have to curl your nose and look away. I came to the realization that those postings you refer to were doing nothing to advance a debate or anything civil, for that matter. I came to that realization by coming to the Corn site and learning that there are views that differ than mine that are worth listening to. I also noticed that I sped through those posts that, like mine you mention, are nothing but rants filled with hatred. I do not want my posts to be like that anymore than I didn't like to read those of others who posted in the same manner.
I don't expect you to come to my forum but I am glad you provided your link to your site. I will visit there and I will read your postings. After all, your Corn postings were never "sped through" by me.
Like I said in my e-mail, Capt, your allright with me.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 01:02 PM
hajji: i'm looking at Ga and TN from NC. See you at Sockemdog on the Chatooga River sometime.
gonna visit you at your site Capt.
My new way of attempting to speak with republicans(please,don't confuse yourselves with consevatives) is just to ask them what is going right with their leadership in all 3 branches of gov't. Still a short conversation but at least it's over before the shouting starts.
Posted by: buffalojoe at September 24, 2005 01:13 PM
hajji: i'm looking at Ga and TN from NC. See you at Sockemdog on the Chatooga River sometime.
gonna visit you at your site Capt.
My new way of attempting to speak with republicans(please,don't confuse yourselves with consevatives) is just to ask them what is going right with their leadership in all 3 branches of gov't. Still a short conversation but at least it's over before the shouting starts.
Posted by: buffalojoe at September 24, 2005 01:13 PM
Hajji:
If the freepers throw rocks, let me know. I will be the first to say that we will hunt them down and bring them to justice.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 01:15 PM
It's not Freepers with rocks that worry me.
It's those LAPD guys with huge weaponry, mostly bought after that bank robbery someone refered to the other day. That weaponry is always on prominent display during these demonstrations.
They've got all sorts of new crowd control toys, and they love to show them off, even if they don't have a reason to use them.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 01:15 PM
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One of Ross' most dangerous traits is his unwillingness to admit facts he doesn't want to believe. If someone does this in an argument, but they know they are not right, we call them a liar. Ross does not seem to be a liar, though he says untruths. Instead, he refuses to believe the information he doesn't like.
He changes his perception, not the reality, and this is the most "crazy" of his well known traits.
His own son, Ross Jr., says "If he thinks he is right, that's all that matters." (Posner, p128). There are many examples. Perot has his company's headquarter's grass spray-painted green during Dallas' dry spells. (p91) When some employees who had won the company's "Recruiter of the Year" award left EDS, Perot wanted to erase their names from the engraved plaque."
My Guy (my guy) Talkin' 'bout Maaaai Guyahay....MY GUY"
Sounds familiar to me!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 01:17 PM
buffalo Joe...
Sounds like the Ocoee might be fun too! I was helping build a Cabin between Chattsworth and Ellijay, GA a couple years ago, so I know how beautiful that area is. Worked well for Eric Rudolph for a while, too. Gotta wait for the dam on the Ocoee...but DAMN! Nice paddling, that.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 01:21 PM
Robert,
Somebody "Accidentally" drove a freekin' Tank into a rally there not too long ago, didn't they?
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 01:22 PM
Hajji:
The link you provided didn't load. I am not saying Perot is the savior of all that is good, but I actually think he would be better than Bush/Cheney. I think that the best people to run this country just don't have the stomach for politics.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 01:23 PM
Hajji,
A tank (or two, I think, actually) did somehow end up at a rally near the Wilshire Federal Building, not too long ago. I don't think that was LAPD, though. To the best of my knowledge, they don't have anything heavier than a Bradley...
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 01:28 PM
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But these traits are so intense that they literally threaten his sanity. He refuses to admit wrongness or fair defeat, and if he can't change reality in the broader world, he seems to need to change it in the press -- or in his own mind.
Ross Perot is truly a great man, that is a man of great strengths and great, crippling flaws that he is unable to acknowledge, much less cure. This man has already enjoyed tremendous power in his life; were he to achieve his goal of becoming president, as was very possible in 1992, he would surely become a heroic failure to rival anyone in Shakespeare or the Greek tragedies.
_________
Perot sounds just like Bush! but I've never heard anybody call him a "Great Man".... link works fine for me, both times.
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 01:35 PM
My ASS would be better than Bush/Cheney...but then again, She's probably got more moral fiber (and HIGH FIBER!!!) than that of most politicians...
"Politics" - from the greek "poly" meaning many and "ticks" meaning blood-sucking insects....
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 01:37 PM
Shit...I think Knoxville's out...
Jill's doing the bills and $50+ in gas, and expenses will kill the grocery budget until her next payday.
I should've gotten an earlier start.
I should've gotten the $45 bus to DC.
I should've been rich.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 01:39 PM
Or is that "tics" - many repeated, uncontrollable gestures?
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 01:42 PM
Word from Washington D.C. - Watching on C-Span.org - The streets are jammed!!!
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 01:43 PM
I'm thinkin' it was Rove's twin hurricanes, driving up gas prices, just to keep me and others from attending the peace rallies this weekend...
Tim H was RIGHT!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 01:44 PM
...but according to Robert, has FAILED MISERABLY!
WOO HOO!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 01:45 PM
Accidentally cliced on C-span 2. Got Buzz Aldrin...thought that odd, but remembered how astronauts always come back talking about "One world, one people..."
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 01:50 PM
Capt or Hajji,
If Micki or Robert get pictures can we display them on your sites or does that take too much space?
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 01:51 PM
Buffalo Joe,
A big welcome from the land of 10,000 lakes, Minnesota.
Robert,
I heard about a new weapon that they were going to use in NO to subdue "rioters", you know, the survivors of one of the worst hurricanes to hit the US. I think is uses electrical impulses or magnetics or something.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 01:54 PM
Hajji,
It only takes 2 to make a rally. Show your support for the regional rally's by taking yours local. I guarantee there will be others willing to join you and Jill.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 01:57 PM
Jeanne,
Shouldn't be a problem at all. My dial-up and ancient computer (is it SUPPOSED to have a pilot light?) make it all slow,
Capt's got a good base or we "might could" (as they say in Pickens) just set up a new site exclusively for pics and stories.
Ralph Nader on C-span NOW.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 01:59 PM
Hajji,
I'm watching CSpan. Everybody thank CSAN for the coverage.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 02:02 PM
Looks like there might be some folks downtown at the Federal Building this evening at 7. I will do that.
Thanks for the encouragement!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 02:03 PM
Sonic 'Lasers' Head to Flood Zone By Xeni Jardin
EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE, California -- Air-raid sirens, Frank Sinatra songs and Muhammad Ali trash talk blared over the Southern California desert in a demonstration of new acoustic technology for crowd control and disaster communications.
In mid-90's morning heat at Edwards Air Force Base, HPV Technologies and American Technology demonstrated prototypes of non-lethal sonic devices for a group of military and law enforcement guests, including representatives of the U.K. Home Office.
Representatives of both companies say that within days, they will ship some units of their respective products to areas hit by Hurricane Katrina, so authorities can use the tools for crowd control, aid distribution and rescue operations.
Costa Mesa, California-based HPV showed off three sizes of its Magnetic Acoustic Device, or MAD, a black square panel composed of multiple speakers. The units on display ranged from about 4 to 10 feet across.
The device uses magnets approximately 6 inches tall and 9.25 inches wide to convert electrical pulses into sound waves, and is capable of aiming sound precisely for thousands of feet -- like the sonic equivalent of a laser, or spotlight. [...] more
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"There has never been a more impeachable president..." Ralph Nader - just now
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 02:04 PM
I gotta watch on the 'puter...no cable, no dish...
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 02:05 PM
Power corrupts and as with J. Edgar Hoover we all saw how total power corrupted totally. Hoover held even President's hostage to fear. Fear of him. The F.B.I better known as the Dept. of Fumblers, Bunglers and Incompetents wants to be above the law it's sworn to up hold which is the Constitution. They're real persistent at getting more power to abuse but not too good at catching crooks and terrorists. Give these thugs nothing.
Posted by: glennk at September 24, 2005 02:08 PM
Jessica Lange...calling out PNAC!
go girl!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 02:08 PM
I'm travelling light- just my phonecamera with me. If I get any photos they won't be great.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 02:08 PM
What the HELL does "crowd control" have to do with victims of Hurricanes and Floods?
Send the equivalent in food, clothing, shelter and medical care and you'll have no need for "crowd controll".
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 02:10 PM
Robert, if you see any good local coverage link it to us.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 02:12 PM
That goes for everybody else. I have a rally later in October we will be going to.
Twenty bus loads encircle the white house.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 02:13 PM
Robert...they'll still be "documentation"...
Just point and shoot. 'specially if the LAPD goons get out of line.
good luck and godspeed.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 02:13 PM
Claiming 250,000 people so far...
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 02:14 PM
Hajji,
The more I see of it, it appears that Katrina was more of a drill of crowd control than disaster relief. FEMA was more interested in controlling relief supplies than in facilatating their dispersal.
White House now surrounded. Stage announcing more than 250,000 in the streets in D.C. Just then my link to c-span died.
Curious.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 02:15 PM
I'm still connected. Some chick from Phillipines.
Read Mark Twain on how the US invaded the Phillipines... that's when "The War Prayer" was written.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 02:21 PM
I am more than willing to post any pictures or what not.
If you want your own page just go:
http://www.blogger.com/start
You can set up a board in about 5 minutes.
Either way and in anyway I can help.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 02:21 PM
Good local coverage?
In Los Angeles?
You'd think we'ed have some trained news folks here...but most local media are terrible.
Try KPFK
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 02:22 PM
Switched media players and reconnected to c-span.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 02:24 PM
Lynne Stewart was on Democracy Now. A very brave and good woman. She just finished speaking.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 02:26 PM
Jeanne,
Wasn't Ricardo Alarcon just sooo much more articulate than W.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 02:30 PM
Robert,
Jim Thornton is an old pal from WOWK-TV in Huntington, WV. Feel free to lean on him, if he's still doing drive-time. Tell him you hail from "Zarphania"...that'll perk up his ears!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 02:33 PM
robert,
Oh jeezzzzz. Ricardo Alarcon makes sense. He understands leadership. Anybody who wants to see the interview it was on Democracy Now. He represents Cuba. You won't see that on MSM.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 02:38 PM
Hajji,
I'll check him out. Let's see how he, or his station, covers today. Sometimes, of course, it is hard to get a story on the air, no matter the wishes of the voice on the air, if you get my drift.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 02:38 PM
I know...I haven't heard his show, myself.
He did traffic for a long time, voice-overs and I just now found out he's doing drive-time Newsradio. I'm VERY curious. My old e-mail for him doesn't work anymore, but I'll ferret him out...we used to get into SO MUCH trouble...
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 02:49 PM
Tim, since you reference our private emails I will post it below for all to see:
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First your email to me:
Subject: Who the hell are you? Spineless Jerk!
Hi there Tommy Hodges, Greenville South Carolina. AKA Hajji. Do you really think it was a sin form me to be posting on a site other than my real name? How about you "Hajji?" And how about you Captain Kirk? Are you really Captain Jerk or are we just supposed to guess. My name is Tim Hodges and you can read all about me and my family at www.tytandan.com. You Liberal pukes are pathetic and have no humor at all.
Regarding the link to NAMBLA. David Corn is a founding member as is still a member to this day. I was just assuming that most Cornbots were also members. I wasn't trying to recruit, just providing a quick link to your favorite site.
Both of you claim I am a coward postiing on this pathetic site under an assumed name.Who the hell is Hajji and Capt? You both are spineless liberals! Just in case you missed it Tommy Hodges of Greenville South Carolina, my name is Tim Hodges of Flatwoods, KY. My website is http://www.tytandan.com. I live and work in Greenup County, KY. My wife is Maria, my sons are Tyler, Tanner, Daniel and Mark. Did you really think I had something to hide{other than the fact that I am related to you} or were you just blowing the liberal stalk of the month. Apparently, David Corn's is your favorite.
Get some humor.
Eh? You idiot!
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My reply was that I would pray for you and your family because you are a psycho.
Then I sent you:
Subject: Re: Can we have a chat?
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:50 AM
Subject: Can we have a chat?
Tim,
Hajji is a man I consider a good friend. You are related so you get a bit more consideration than a stranger. I do not know if this helps you to understand but:
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Hajji,
It is just too obvious, Timmy is not able to mask his commentary well enough to be a faker/poser but it is curious why he would play such games. I guess he is not willing to stand behind the comments of his alter ego?
Sad really but in a small joke kind of way, you know?
(mini ha ha) HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at August 19, 2005 11:56 AM
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The above post was not about you nor directed at you.
On the Corn Blog we have had Tim, TimL, and so many made up handles the "Tim's" have posted under, the regulars called the "Tim's" collectively the "Dept. of Tim's" or the "DOT".
The only Tim I knew about was this troll. I guess those posts could have been from you but I doubt it. Frankly the DOT posts were more respectful and respectable. (with a few exceptions)
This has been since over a year ago so, my post was in answer to a comment made by Hajji about "Timmy". I assumed and would have always thought the comments were about the DOT not Tim Hodges.
Now YOU might have known he was talking about you, and he might have been talking about you but I was offering a comment about our resident Tim, not "Tim H." That was until you went into a complete melt-down.
I knew he had a cousin because Hajji had mentioned your webpage and I went there and asked you a simple question, you scrubbed it. No big deal.
That was the last time I ever thought of you "Tim H." Hajji's cousin, that is until you overreacted to a post not even directed at you.
I have never posted to you about ANYTHING, yet you seem to have an issue with me, personally. I do not know why and I do not really care. I will not make your problems mine.
The things you have posted as "Starry Eyed", "Bartender" and the odd assortment of insulting handles and such and the fact that you had some reason to post as "capt" with disgusting sexual innuendo and links to NAMBLA, your accusations about David are way out of line and un-called for but AGAIN no big deal. You will post whatever you like, whatever you think passes for enlightened commentary. I do not care one iota what you post. You can post as "capt", I do not care. It is an open blog and no rules apply.
I wanted to give you the opportunity to see the overreaction you made. I have not and will never offer you my opinion of what you have posted, not on the blog. I do not post to trolls.
It is my understanding that you are a veteran. I assume you remember what it means to be respectful and honorable. You have never had any reason to attack me personally or others. I can only assume you are a good man that is going through some rough times. The blog is a good place to vent.
I am not asking for an apology, I do not know if I would accept an apology from you as your posts are inexcusable.
I just figured if you are a man of honor and you do know what it means to be respectful you might make an effort to mend some fences with your cousin as your posts are not the only thing that you have done and said that represents the worst most disrespectful and dishonorable character a man could possess.
In my heart of hearts I believe you are a better man than the things you post. You should be that man not a troll posting about sick sexual acts and juvenile quips about body functions and such. AGAIN no biggie as far as I am concerned.
Now that you know I was not talking about you, you have to consider: was Hajji even talking about you? I do not know but as a man you could ask him.
You have sons? I hope you consider every word you post could be read by them. I do not think that you would want them to be as big a jerk as you have been and continue to be.
If I have EVER wronged you in some way or by my posts (which are almost all just a clip and an opinion) I challenge you to address me man to man and give me the same respect you would like to have in return.
I am not a bad man. I am very respectful and I am a man of honor. I live a happy life and am at peace with myself and my world. We may disagree about politics but thankfully that is not the whole world.
You have never had a reason to call me spineless, a coward or any of the other despicable and dastardly insults that seem to flow from a well of unjustified hatred in which you seem to be drowning.
So, the ball is in your court. You can do whatever you choose to do. Post whatever you choose to post. But if you have a problem with me personally I would like to know why and maybe we could sort that out.
I also believe if you can find the honor and respect they taught you in the military you will own up to your over-the-top over-reaction and maybe you will just quit it. (well I can hope)
As I said above I assume you are a good and honorable man, a respectful and understanding human being, no better and no worse than anybody else. I truly hope you do not continue to act as if you are less than that.
As I said in my return to you email, I will pray for you and you should consider some kind of help. What you have been posting is not that of a good man, not even a teenager. What you post is not respectful nor mature.
We can disagree about politics but we are both Americans, citizens and patriots, each in our own way so whatever our differences are they do not give you license for the type of low-brow content, childish invective and clearly intended insults you keep posting.
You and your family are in my prayers. Your cousin is a good man you should take up this issue and resolve any hard feelings, they are unnecessary and unwarranted.
I would hope for a little civility, you know the common respect we all show for others we do not know. Like a nod from a neighbor I want any issue between you and me to be resolved.
Here is to a better tomorrow, a better kinder and more peaceful coexistence regardless of the past.
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Your reply:
You're okay with me capt. Sometimes my posts are like a foul odor. You just have to curl your nose and glance away.
Tim H.
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You are as welcome to post on my board as I was scrubbed from yours. The only difference is I can and do stand by EVERYTHING I have posted.
Something you should not do. But maybe you have evolved. I stand by my assessment that you are a psycho. That's my opinion and I have reason to have such an opinion.
Thanks for bringing it up. Would you like to revist some of your saucier posts? Just ask I have them handy.
Anytime you want to review or if you just try to pretend you are sane or respectful, we will straighten it out in short order.
At minimum you could apologize for your slander of Mr. David Corn, you play on his dime and have been way over the top with his being involved in NAMBLA among many other vile invective and childish school yard taunts.
My guess is the gross posts were a result of alcohol or drugs. Maybe you have sobered up?
You are still a long way from gaining my respect. No big deal.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 02:51 PM
O.K., I'm putting up a last bit o'coffee before hitting the streets, lucky for me the march goes right by my office, downtown. Easy.
To paraphrase the late Phil Ochs, "Here's to the world, you've torn out the heart of. W. find yourself another planet to be part of."
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 02:55 PM
A rally in support of the war tomorrow on CSpan at noon. How many will be there?
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 02:59 PM
Another Sad Day
I BLAME BUSH FOR THE DEAD!!!!!
BUSH IS PRO-WAR AND ANTI-TROOPS. I can see rejoicing in the West Wing of the White House. Bush says that war is a NOBLE CAUSE than why are his daughters at home and not in Iraq?
Casualties in Iraq lists that 2,144 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for the Bush's evil lies and to keep the opium trade alive so the CIA and the Pentagon can have drugs flowing to pay for American terrorism in the USA and throughout the world. Police dogs, taser guns, and tear gas have been unleashed upon Americans for protesting against Bush's policies. Bush and Cheney plan to stay in power forever. America is under martial law and a complete police state. We are no longer a nation with freedoms and rights.
YES, I BLAME BUSH FOR THE DEAD!!!!!
The Bush Family
Bush I was interviewed in December, 1992. "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down the streets and lynched."
Barbara Bush was interviewed on Good Morning America on March 18, 2003. "Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that."
MY FELLOW AMERICANS I ASK YOU ARE BODY BAGS AND DEATHS IRRELEVANT? Gerald
There should be little doubt in anyone's mind where Bush II receives his sensitivity training toward human life. Gerald
David Corn mentions Barbara Bush's words in an article that the underprivileged are making out okay in the wake of Katrina. Every time she babbles Barbara Bush reveals her soulless sensitivity. What can we expect from an emperor whose mother shows lack of nurturing and sensitivity toward human beings.
Here is an example of a Bush II thinking process!!!
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." George W. Bush
The Nazi Family Code
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders, tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." Herman Goering or are these the words of Karl Rove?
The American Family
America is home to rigged elections, a shattered US Constitution, and damned souls.
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 03:03 PM
Sounds like a good place to do some good ole fashioned recruiting.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 03:05 PM
C-span followig "Anti-War" with Bush's friggin weekly radio lie...how puh-thetic!
Posted by: Hajji at September 24, 2005 03:06 PM
Thanx for the space. I am at # 102 on the charts at www.warisaracket.org and I recommend it to anyone willing. I have seen how little President Bush actually DOES to bring OTHER countries' money
into the Iraq War and I have concluded
that his leadership is hideous. Every day we get poorer, not to mention dead (er ).
Wounded, families wrecked, we foot the bill. So ? So I signed my name at www.warisaracket.org and I'm at # 102.
That is where I stand. Where do you stand ? Thanx for reading. Timothy
Saturday September 24, 2005 .
Posted by: Timothy at September 24, 2005 03:06 PM
Is Bush in Colorado to see the peace marches and determine what kind of martial law he can inflict upon Americans? Bush is a psycho!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 03:07 PM
Anybody wanna wager they will bring in bus loads of "paid" pro-war protesters?
Think 2000 recount. Nothing is below the neocon-men.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 03:11 PM
Gerald,
The American Family
America is home to rigged elections, a shattered US Constitution, and damned souls.
I'm not sure how the shattered Constitution and rigged elections got under the American Family heading, but, would you mind not being so quick to damn souls. Mighty presumptive, I might presume to say.
I might say that you do post links to some very illuminating articles, but that would be just so Luciferian for me to do.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 24, 2005 03:12 PM
The Navy and the CIA
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 03:12 PM
Timothy @ #124
I always refer anybody posting here to Operationtruth.com to hear from those that have been there. We get some posers and liars that pretend to be on "secret assignments" and such. They are ridiculous fakers so I recommend Op-truth to ground those who do not know. Funny thing referring to operationtruth.com ALWAYS drives the fakers away. Liars are always scared of the truth.
I am #118 on the petition you recommended.
Kudos Timothy
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 03:20 PM
Bill O'Reilly proves once again what a carnie barker he is when he interviewed Wesley Clark.
Wesley Clark Stands His Ground with Bill O'Reilly.
He actually refers to himself as a gentleman. The guy is a pig.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 03:21 PM
Robert #107, that's a pretty common take. There really is no excuse for such incompetence, it's not like we've never had hurricanes before, and there was plenty of warning about the potential devastation of Katrina. bush is in Colorado to watch a martial law drill, what does that say? They are concerned about effective crowd control rather than helping the victims of these disasters, I have a feeling there is something they aren't telling us.
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 03:22 PM
"He actually refers to himself as a gentleman. The guy is a pig."
Are you sitting down?
O'Liely has referred to himself as a "journalist."
Now that is funny, no?
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 03:26 PM
#127 R.S., there is a saying if the hat fits, wear it. The inclusion of damned souls is only for those individuals who are glorified by murders and war crimes. In your posts I do not see a person who is glorified by murders and war crimes.
Most of my life I had to listen to supervisors who were idiots. I now post as a retired person who is a member of the KMA club and I love to piss people off after all the years of being pissed on by idiots. KMA stands for the KISS MY ASS club.
What is happening to my America by idiots really piss me off and I need to blow off steam. Plus, the majority of Americans believe that Bush was chosen to be emperor by God. My God would never choose a murderer to be emperor. My God may be testing Americans and apparently the majority of Americans have chosen to adore and worship Bush as a deity. Unless America returns to the true God, we will be a damned nation.
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 03:31 PM
#127 R.S., there is a saying if the hat fits, wear it. The inclusion of damned souls is only for those individuals who are glorified by murders and war crimes. In your posts I do not see a person who is glorified by murders and war crimes.
Most of my life I had to listen to supervisors who were idiots. I now post as a retired person who is a member of the KMA club and I love to piss people off after all the years of being pissed on by idiots. KMA stands for the KISS MY ASS club.
What is happening to my America by idiots really pisses me off and I need to blow off steam. Plus, the majority of Americans believe that Bush was chosen to be emperor by God. My God would never choose a murderer to be emperor. My God may be testing Americans and apparently the majority of Americans have chosen to adore and worship Bush as a deity. Unless America returns to the true God, we will be a damned nation.
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 03:32 PM
WASHINGTON DC WEBCAMS
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 03:32 PM
Thanx Capt. Have a pleasant day. - T .
Posted by: Timothy at September 24, 2005 03:34 PM
The president scrapped his trip to San Antonio. It was just too sunny.
Bush moved closer to storm; San Antonio was 'too sunny'.
Instead he went to Colorado Springs where there is a 20% chance of showers. As you can see.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 03:36 PM
Major Victory For Firearms Owners And Freedom In Louisiana
Friday, September 23, 2005
(Fairfax, VA) -- The United States District Court for the Eastern District in Louisiana today sided with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and issued a restraining order to bar further gun confiscations from peaceable and law-abiding victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.
"This is a significant victory for freedom and for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The courts ruling is instant relief for the victims who now have an effective means of defending themselves from the robbers and rapists that seek to further exploit the remnants of their shattered lives," said NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre.
Joining LaPierre in hailing the U.S. District Court decision was NRA chief lobbyist Chris W. Cox. "This is an important victory. But the battle is not over. The NRA will remedy state emergency statutes in all 50 states, if needed, to ensure that this injustice does not happen again."
The controversy erupted when The New York Times reported, the New Orleans superintendent of police directed that no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to have guns and that "only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons." ABC News quoted New Orleans deputy police chief, saying, "No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons."
The NRA also pledged that it will continue its work to ensure that every single firearm arbitrarily and unlawfully seized under this directive is returned to the rightful law-abiding owner.
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My opinion is: if the weapons are not in the hands of a criminal the ONLY reason to seize the arms is to disarm an innocent gun owner. That is not right. Forget about the legal mumbo-jumbo, the "emergency powers" and all of that crud. Unless the person is a criminal they can own a weapon.
Do I side with the NRA? One issue at a time but on this one yes.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 03:37 PM
www.lewrockwell.com has many great articles for this weekend.
Please check them out!!!
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 03:38 PM
Two news items from Wayne Madsen. There is a handy list of those who take money from AIPAC, and they are ALL traitors to the US. I bet not one of those slinking cowards will show up at the DC protest.
September 24, 2005 -- Anti-war protest in Washington, DC today. Very few Democratic members of Congress to appear. Reason: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), according to Democratic insiders on Capitol Hill, put out the word that any member of Congress who appeared at the protest, where some speakers were to represent pro-Palestinian views, would face the political wrath of AIPAC. According to Democratic sources on the Hill, Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts was the chief conveyor of the AIPAC warning to his colleagues. At the time of this report, three members of Congress were to address the anti-war protestors: Reps. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), John Conyers (D-MI), and Lynn Woolsey (D-CA). The word is that AIPAC will direct its massive campaign support to Woolsey's neo-con and pro-Iraq war primary challenger, California State Assemblyman Joe Nation, who has strong connections to the Rand Corporation, one of the Pentagon's chief war-making think tanks. Woolsey represents California's Marin and Sonoma counties.
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And, at the top of the list of low life parasites.
September 24, 2005 -- Hurricane evacuees don't see FEMA or Red Cross, but military recruiters show up in force. According to a number of sources familiar with the Gulf Coast evacuation situation arising from Hurricane Katrina, military recruiters appeared at hurricane evacuation centers across Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Arkansas, and other states long before evacuees ever saw anyone from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) or the Red Cross. Military recruiters, aware that a number of young, poor, and long-term or hurricane-related unemployed and homeless African American and white men were housed at evacuation shelters, took advantage of the disaster to recruit additional cannon fodder for Bush's war in Iraq.
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 03:41 PM
Capt, this is a test, it is only a test of the emergency Martial Law System coming to a city near you. This test will determine the will of the citizens of the United States to hang onto the last of their civil rights in the face of state sponsored terror/panic attacks! Daring to resist orders issued by the military enforcement unit in your area will result in your relocation to the nearest FEMA temporary camp set up for rebellious rabble rousers like us!!
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 03:46 PM
Iraq is Vietnam without honesty
www.antiwar.com also has great articles for this weekend readings.
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 03:47 PM
Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult
April 22, 2003
Concerns Raised by the Vatican
by WAYNE MADSEN
George W. Bush proclaims himself a born-again Christian. However, Bush and fellow self-anointed neo-Christians like House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, John Ashcroft, and sports arena Book of Revelations carnival hawker Franklin Graham appear to wallow in a "Christian" blood lust cult when it comes to practicing the teachings of the founder of Christianity. This cultist form of Christianity, with its emphasis on death rather than life, is also worrying the leaders of mainstream Christian religions, particularly the Pope.
One only has to check out Bush's record as Governor of Texas to see his own preference for death over life. During his tenure as Governor, Bush presided over a record setting 152 executions, including the 1998 execution of fellow born-again Christian Karla Faye Tucker, a convicted murderer who later led a prison ministry. Forty of Bush's executions were carried out in 2000, the year the Bush presidential campaign was spotlighting their candidate's strong law enforcement record. The Washington Post's Richard Cohen reported in October 2000 that one of the execution chamber's "tie-down team" members, Fred Allen, had to prepare so many people for lethal injections during 2000, he quit his job in disgust.
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This is an old piece but worth a read again.
Wayne Madsen writes some real good stuff!
Thanks Saladin, good stuff (as always)
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 03:52 PM
Why does the Korea Herald, Asia Times, and other foreign newspapers get it right and our MSM always get it wrong? Why do we have to go websites like antiwar.com, Jesus on the Family, and lewrockwell.com for informative news articles?
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 03:56 PM
"FEMA temporary camp set up for rebellious rabble rousers like us"
No doubt, we will be there in spirit if placed in different camps. We are likely to end up in the camp for crazy citizens that believe we are born with rights that no government can take away.
We are just looney to think such things!
I think a bunch of the regulars will end up in the same camp. I imagine it will be a very dark day for a re-union but a party just the same.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 03:57 PM
"Why does the Korea Herald, Asia Times, and other foreign newspapers get it right and our MSM always get it wrong?"
Easy, the MSM is now run for one purpose "profit" that is the corporate mantra. It is infecting the media world wide.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 04:00 PM
capt, thank you for the Wayne Madsen article. I saved it for my computer benchmark to read it later. I am off to church to participate in the Liturgy of the Eucharist and pray for God's mercy for my beloved but failing America.
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 04:08 PM
Found a rally article on Yahoo. Anti-War Protesters March in Washington
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 04:17 PM
"For in a Republic, who is 'the country?' Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant -- merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them." -- Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)
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Outside Independence Hall when the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended, Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, "A republic, if you can keep it." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) US Founding Father 1787 Source: as recorded by Constitution signer James McHenry in a diary entry.
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"A man is none the less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." -- Lysander Spooner (1808-1887) Political theorist, activist, abolitionist Source: The Constitution of No Authority (Boston: 1870), p. 28.
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Thanks ICH newsletter!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 04:31 PM
From: The NY Times
Report Says Bush's Tax Cuts Will Cause Some to Pay More
By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON
Published: September 24, 2005
Over the next 10 years, Americans will not receive nearly $750 billion in tax cuts because the cuts will be offset by the alternative minimum tax, a new report shows.
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Golly Gee, what a surprise! I'd be willing to bet they knew this all along.
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 04:44 PM
Saladin,
Oh yeah baby, yeeaaah (Austin Powers)
Did you see my post about the homeowners mortgage tax breaks costing too much?
But those millionaires are getting all the tax help they really need?
It is an insane world in which we live.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 05:07 PM
Capt #118
Wow, I just saw my Corn posting life played before my very eyes. And you are fearful of the Patriot Act? Consider this an apolpgy to any that I may have offended with my rants and raves including David Corn. I have learned the lesson of humility. Those words I displayed will not sway anyone to my side. I do not ask your respect nor do I want it. I will still visit your site as mentioned previously and will keep my discussion civil.
Take care!
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 05:55 PM
It just it was WAY overboard to invites us from here to "just keep it clean".
You are welcome, check it out. You will not be scrubbed no matter what you post.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 06:06 PM
Soldier's chilling testimony
This is a great and must read article!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 07:12 PM
Soldier's chilling testimony fuels demonstrations against Iraq war
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Published: 24 September 2005
A former American soldier who served in Iraq and filed for conscientious objector status has given an extraordinary insight into the war's dehumanising effects an insight that helps explain why the British and American public has turned sharply against the occupation.
On the eve of large anti-war demonstrations in Washington and London, Hart Viges has told how indiscriminate fire from US troops is likely to have killed an untold number of Iraqi civilians. Mr Viges, 29, said he was still haunted by the memories of what he experienced and urged President George Bush to withdraw US troops from Iraq.
"I don't know how many innocents I killed with my mortar rounds," Mr Viges, who served with the 82nd Airborne Division, said during a presentation this week at American University in Washington. "In Baghdad, I had days that I don't want to remember. I try to forget," he added
The rare insight into the chaos of the combat including an order to open fire on all taxis in the city of Samawa because it was believed Iraqi forces were using them for transport comes as US support for the war in Iraq slumps to an all-time low. Polls suggest that 60 per cent now believe the war was wrong. Mr Bush's personal approval ratings are also at a record low.
British attitudes to the Iraq war have shown a nation divided over the decision to invade but by last October the balance had tilted 46 per cent to 40 per cent towards an anti-war position, according to an ICM poll published in The Guardian.
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The illegal and unwise invasion of Iraq will be haunting many for generations to come. Bush has no clue the hell he has given the world. A blood thirsty chicken-hawk does not represent the USA but that is what he has made us, all of us. No WMDճ no matter what happens it was clearly a mistake on a global scale. Bush can "take responsibility" for the poor plan HE made in 2004. Why is it impossible to admit his error in Iraq and bring the troops home.
"It will get worse" he says, that is what he has been saying since HE chose to invade. It will get worse is not a "plan" is it the formula for failure, a recipe for disaster, no surprise that is what we get.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 07:15 PM
Jinx!
Gerald great minds? HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 07:17 PM
CIA Intelligence Reports Seven Months Before 9/11 said Iraq Posed No Threat to U.S., Containment Was Working
By Jason Leopold
CIA Director George Tenet testified before Congress in February 2001 that Iraq posed no immediate threat to the United States or to other countries in the Middle East.
But immediately after the terrorist attacks on 9-11, which the Bush administration has said Iraq is partially responsible for, the President and his advisers were already making a case for war against Iraq without so much as providing a shred of evidence to back up their allegations that Iraq and its former President, Saddam Hussein, helped al-Qaida hijackers plan the catastrophe.
It was then, after the 9-11 attacks, that intelligence reports from the CIA radically changed from previous months, which said Iraq posed no immediate threat to the U.S., to now show Iraq had a stockpile of chemical and biological weapons and was in hot pursuit of a nuclear bomb. The Bush administration seized upon the reports to build public support for the war and used the information to eventually justify a preemptive strike against the country last March.
Lawmakers in Washington, D.C. are now investigating whether the intelligence information gathered by the CIA was accurate or whether the Bush administration manipulated and or exaggerated the intelligence to make a case for war.
In just seven short months, beginning as early as February 2001, Bush administration officials said Iraq went from being a threat only to its own people to posing an imminent threat to the world. Indeed, in a Feb. 12, 2001 interview with the Fox News Channel Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said: "Iraq is probably not a nuclear threat at the present time."
Powell added that Iraq is "not threatening America."
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Yet STILL some pretend Bunnypants never lied to start his hobby war.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 07:25 PM
Capt, it is common knowledge that the PNAC has had the plans for war on the middle east for years, lying is the least of their sins. But it seems the oil grab is backfiring, the global elite underestimated the willingness of the people to fight for what is rightfully theirs. When you put people into the position of having nothing to lose you can expect them to fight accordingly. Throw on top of that the fake insurgency bombings for which Israel and Britain have been caught red handed at and you will have civil war on your hands. The only thing worse than idiots at the helm are EVIL idiots at the helm! How much money is enough do you reckon?
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 07:54 PM
Saladin,
Total race to the bottom and nobody wins. One dollar is too much and billions are not enough, the crack rule applies.
IMHO
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 08:09 PM
"I am opposed to millionaires, but it would be dangerous to offer me the position." ~ Mark Twain
Who would tell the guy with balloons and a big check to stuff it?
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 08:12 PM
From: Lew Rockwell
The modern Conservative, who is in fact not a Conservative at all, is one that has adopted, on a rhetorical level, perspectives that were classically Liberal (especially in regards to Market Liberalism), but yet has perverted these perspectives into something distinctly authoritarian. The perversion is not uniquely their own, however. Neo-Conservatism adopts an ignorant, self-denied love for New Deal styled Socialism and increased regulation.
Lies are nothing new to politics. It's arguable that Neo-Conservatives have lied to us on a regular basis on a variety of issues, ranging from foreign policy to the supposed destruction of the nuclear family, which they claim would result from allowing homosexuals the same rights held by heterosexuals. But in each of these cases, the lie's impact is diminished by a healthy level of scepticism. The most successful lie propagated by Neo-Conservatives would have to be the conclusion that they are fiscal conservatives. Few of us, unfortunately, question the existence of a Free Market appreciation within the ranks of these "Compassionate Conservatives."
Give the people a few small tax cuts, call your opponent a fiscal liberal, sit back, and let the votes roll right in. After all, your Capitalist credentials are set, right? Forget that you're bleeding the economy through deficit spending. Forget that you approve huge spending bills loaded with pork. Forget your fiscal irresponsibility. Why focus on the petty details?
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Very good article. This is what I consider neither left or right, but rational. Stop finger pointing and get us a crew that cares about the country, not lobbys!
Conservative Socialism
by Alexander S. Peak
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 08:30 PM
From: The Nation
...When asked what authority they were operating under, one guy said, "We're on contract with the Department of Homeland Security." Then, pointing to one of his comrades, he said, "He was even deputized by the governor of the state of Louisiana. We can make arrests and use lethal force if we deem it necessary." The man then held up the gold Louisiana law enforcement badge he wore around his neck. Blackwater spokesperson Anne Duke also said the company has a letter from Louisiana officials authorizing its forces to carry loaded weapons.
"This vigilantism demonstrates the utter breakdown of the government," says Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights. "These private security forces have behaved brutally, with impunity, in Iraq. To have them now on the streets of New Orleans is frightening and possibly illegal."
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Can anyone really doubt what this is leading to? Since when does the govt. hire private mercenaries to assist with natural disaster relief?
Blackwater Down
Jeremy Scahill
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 08:39 PM
#1 Bush Administration Moves to Eliminate Open Government
#2 Media Coverage Fails on Iraq: Fallujah and the Civilian Deathtoll
#3 Another Year of Distorted Election Coverage
#4 Surveillance Society Quietly Moves In
#5 U.S. Uses Tsunami to Military Advantage in Southeast Asia
#6 The Real Oil for Food Scam
#7 Journalists Face Unprecedented Dangers to Life and Livelihood
#8 Iraqi Farmers Threatened By Bremer's Mandates
#9 Iran's New Oil Trade System Challenges U.S. Currency
#10 Mountaintop Removal Threatens Ecosystem and Economy
#11 Universal Mental Screening Program Usurps Parental Rights
#12 Military in Iraq Contracts Human Rights Violators
#13 Rich Countries Fail to Live up to Global Pledges
#14 Corporations Win Big on Tort Reform, Justice Suffers
#15 Conservative Plan to Override Academic Freedom in the Classroom
#16 U.S. Plans for Hemispheric Integration Include Canada
#17 U.S. Uses South American Military Bases to Expand Control of the Region
#18 Little Known Stock Fraud Could Weaken U.S. Economy
#19 Child Wards of the State Used in AIDS Experiments
#20 American Indians Sue for Resources; Compensation Provided to Others
#21 New Immigration Plan Favors Business Over People
#22 Nanotechnology Offers Exciting Possibilities But Health Effects Need Scrutiny
#23 Plight of Palestinian Child Detainees Highlights Global Problem
#24 Ethiopian Indigenous Victims of Corporate and Government Resource Aspirations
#25 Homeland Security Was Designed to Fail
This is always worth the year long wait.
Project Censored 2006
Posted by: Saladin at September 24, 2005 08:54 PM
Happy Saturday all
Posted by: ed at September 24, 2005 08:55 PM
Hey ed,
Saladin,
That list. . . there are no words . . .no excuse.
We have no real "news" or reporting.
Every MSM outlet should be boycotted. Who is still supporting these liars?
The fact that I could nearly match ANOTHER story for all 25 is enough to make me crazy~!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 09:09 PM
A soul-changing project
Let us all fast and pray on October 13, 2005.
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 09:10 PM
You know how one cartoon character will grab the wrist of another and just whip the guy around, slamming him on the ground time and again? And it just looks hysterically funny? You have to read this interview between Carnie barker O'Reilly and Phil Donahue. Billy got pulverized.
Debating Cindy Sheehan
Ahhh Phil, you are a devil.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 09:10 PM
Bill O'Reilly spinning about Donahue
I just saw the intro to his show tonight and he's trying to say that Phil Donahue broke some golden rule and that's why he flipped out. Here's the transcript. You can see the video here:
DONAHUE: You saw the pictures! (reasonable tone of voice) Now listen - listen. You wouldn't send your children to this war,
Bill. O'REILLY (very angry, pointing): My nephew just enlisted in the Army. You don't know what the hell you're talkin' about!!!
DONAHUE: Very good. Very good. Congratulations! You should be proud ..
O'REILLY (starts to lose it, shouting, pointing finger, hand shaking): And he's a patriot, so don't denigrate his service or I'll boot you right off the set!!!
DONAHUE: I'm not ... I'm not ...
O'REILLY (very, very loud): That boy made a decision to serve his country!!! Do not denigrate him or you're outta here!!!
How did Donahue denigrate his nephew? What rule did Phil violate? Why should I ask these questions?
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A little more from "Crooks and Liars" with video for those with a fast connection.
O'liely has always turned my stomach. Phil can even test my nerves at times.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 09:25 PM
MSM is doing what all the politicians are doing...believing their own press
The moral voter myth got traction and ever since the masses have been cowering before an enemy that doesn't even exist, pandering to a base that has no more grip on reality than say the Easter Bunny does. You can read it in the newspaper, see it in who they given more talk time to on the news talk shows and smell it on every blue bureaucrat that is now leaning righter.
Posted by: ed at September 24, 2005 09:28 PM
An example if I may...
Hillary Clinton jumping on Grand Theft Auto
Posted by: ed at September 24, 2005 09:29 PM
Choices for death, choices for life
No where in the Bible did Jesus teach us to kill.
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 09:30 PM
Jesus is the liberal son of a conservative god
Posted by: ed at September 24, 2005 09:30 PM
I know all of you were concerned about the outcome of Cheney's operations. It was successful. We can all breathe a sigh of relief.
Cheney Aneurysm Surgery Is Successful>
For added affect Yahoo has the story posted with Dick in church.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 09:35 PM
Ed,
You are wise indeed. How funny it must seem to see someone so blatantly left like Hiliary steer to the right to pander for votes. Morals are not the only thing that matter to the voters of this country. I believe honesty matters more. But then again, we are talking about politicians. They rate just below used car salesmen on the scale of public trust.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 09:36 PM
#172
Oooo Ed, I like that one.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 09:37 PM
Tim,
I think they've lowered themselves to the pimp level.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 09:39 PM
Morality: The theory that every human act must be either right or wrong.
The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live
is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected.
We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense
and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful
and his children smart.
The typical lawmaker of today is a man devoid of principle--a mere counter in a grotesque and knavish game. If the right pressure could be applied to him he would be cheerfully in favor of polygamy, astrology, or cannibalism. -- [Quoted in Galt, John (pseud.) _Dreams Come Due_. Reviewed in the Laissez Faire Books catalog, May 1990, p. 17.]
Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956) U. S. Editor and Critic.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 09:45 PM
Cornbloggers!!
Just got back from the rally in D.C. today. I have never seen anything like it in my life. An absolute sea of humanity. I heard estimates in the 300,000 to 500,000 people range. It made seeing the Grand Canyon seem boring. We shut that city down!! It is still going on right now, and it will continue into tomorrow. Absolutely amazing. A lot of really hot chicks too...
I gotta go, I am exhausted. Stop in later. Take care fellas. We are taking our country back!
Posted by: corky at September 24, 2005 10:17 PM
Corky,
YOU ROCK!
Keep us updated if you can.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 10:21 PM
Hurrah Corky!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Jeanne at September 24, 2005 10:23 PM
Jeanne,
Not to defend the pimps, but they do not lie about who they are or what they do. Not that I would blindly trust a pimp, but I would trust him more than a politician. At least a pimp's promise is sincere, not just to get a vote.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 10:37 PM
Conservative Socialism
Will real repugs stand up?
Posted by: Gerald at September 24, 2005 10:43 PM
Gerald #182
Politicians are all the same. They give their so called "breaks" to those who will vote for them. Bush's tax cuts were miniscule in comparision to Reagan and Kennedy's tax reform. Yet, it was enough to buy him a second term. Clinton veto'd welfare reform long enough to buy him a second term before he finally signed on. A flawed system indeed, but it is what we have.
My answer? Each congressperson and senator serve a one term and one term only 4 year term in office. The President serve a 4 year term and only one term. The Supreme Court serve a 4 year term initially and to be subject to review and continued approval every 4 years by the current Senate. To be quite honest, there is no way the voters 20 years ago would tolerate this court today anymore than the voters of this day tolerate the court that was appointed 20 years age. As the times change, so should the composition of the court. With lifetime appointments, that is virtually impossible.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 10:55 PM
Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule--and both commonly succeed, and are right... The United States has never developed an aristocracy really disinterested or an intelligentsia really intelligent. Its history is simply a record of vacillations between two gangs of frauds
All the leaders of groups tend to be frauds. If they were not, it would be impossible for them to retain the allegiance of their dupes...
The theory behind representative government is that superior men--or at all events, men not inferior to the average in ability and integrity--are chosen to manage the public business, and that they carry on this work with reasonable intelligence and honesty. There is little support for that theory in the known facts...
Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work of men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always skeptical and tolerant, in this field as in all others. His culture is based on "I am not too sure."
From the link #177
Posted by: capt at September 24, 2005 11:02 PM
I had something to say, but thanks to you nitwits and your back-and-forth and other off-topic bullshit, I won't bother. Why can't you jackasses use email or IM for your nonsense?
Posted by: x at September 24, 2005 11:16 PM
x,
I had something to say, Hee-Haw! Hee-Haw!
Nonsense? You are the joker, X.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 24, 2005 11:33 PM
More coverage of the rally in DC. CSpan estimated the numbers at 500,000. A sea of humanity as Corky would say.
Camp Casey Goes to Washington
"To summarize, it took over 4 hours for people clear out of the ellipse area. I have been to several large marches in Washington, DC, since 1989 and this was by far the largest."
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 12:02 AM
Movie coverage on Brag's Blog. Really Nothing Happened in the Nations Capital Today and here's the video to prove it
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 12:10 AM
Lobbyland better be paying attention. Read the comments on After Downing Street. Turnout Huge in DC
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 12:14 AM
Anti-war protesters march on Washington
September 25, 2005 - 10:09AM
More than 100,000 protesters flooded Washington today for dual demonstrations against the US-led war in Iraq and economic globalisation, before coming together to demand that US President George Bush bring troops home.
Thousands marched in London as well, and protests were planned in San Francisco and Los Angeles that called for an end to military action in Iraq nearly 30 months after an invasion ousted Saddam Hussein.
"We need a people's movement to end this war," said Cindy Sheehan, an anti-war protester whose son was killed in fighting in Iraq. She camped out in Crawford, Texas, during much of August while Bush was holidaying there, and Sheehan's rallies drew crowds that sometimes numbered in the hundreds as she demanded a meeting with Bush.
Bush, who met Sheehan in 2004 after her son was killed, refused to meet her again.
"We'll be the checks and balances on this out-of-control criminal Government," Sheehan, who has become the anti-war movement's best-known face, told the group gathered at the Ellipse, a park behind the White House.
The crowds swelled throughout the day, and by late afternoon organisers of the anti-war demonstration said 300,000 people had assembled - exceeding an anticipated 100,000. Washington police declined to comment on the size of the rally.
Meanwhile, 1,000 to 3,000 people, as estimated by demonstration organisers, gathered a few blocks away to protest against the autumn meetings of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, saying policies that promote globalisation and reduce trade barriers hurt the world's poor.
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Interesting to get the perspective of those "Down Under."
I still do not think the demostrations will effect what this WH does by much but it could not hurt.
I am VERY uplifted that the numbers were HUGE!!!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 12:21 AM
Australia won't confirm partial Iraq withdrawal
September 24, 2005
THE Federal Government has distanced itself from reports it has told Japan it will withdraw Australian troops protecting Japanese military engineers in southern Iraq by May next year.
Japan's Kyodo news agency today reported Japanese government sources had said Australia and Britain had informed them they planned to pull out of the southern Iraqi city of Samawah, where Japanese forces are involved in humanitarian and reconstruction work, by May.
It said Tokyo would look at pulling out its troops in line with the Australian and British moves.
Australia has not given a definite timetable for withdrawal, however when the Government deployed 450 troops to the region earlier this year to protect Japanese personnel it said the initial deployment would be for 12 months.
Defence Minister Robert Hill is currently overseas and his spokesman could not confirm the Japanese report.
However, he said a withdrawal in May next year was in line with the Government's commitment.
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If the USA does not plan for a withdraw we will surely be last to leave. How sad is that? Some coalition, eh?
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 12:27 AM
Thousands march to demand withdrawal of troops from Iraq
By Tom Anderson
Published: 25 September 2005
More than 10,000 protesters descended on London yesterday for a mass demonstration against the war in Iraq.
Many of the protesters, who marched from Parliament Square to Hyde Park blowing whistles and carrying placards, were demanding the immediate withdrawal of British troops.
Buses were used to bring people from all over Britain to join the demonstration, organised by the Stop the War Coalition.
Scotland Yard estimated that crowds had swollen to 10,000 people by the time the march reached Hyde Park in the early afternoon, although organisers put the numbers at up to 100,000. Other marches were planned for the United States.
Andrew Murray, chairman of the Stop the War Coalition, said people were marching to show their solidarity with Muslims bearing "the brunt of attacks" in Iraq.
He told the crowd: "We cannot say how many are here, but there are certainly tens of thousands from all over the country marching above all to bring the troops home from Iraq and end the bloody disastrous occupation."
The former Labour MP Tony Benn, who also took part in the demonstration, described the war as "unwinnable" and said it had been waged "for oil and power".
"We demand that troops come out of Iraq and that a date is set now," he said
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Some perspective from across the pond.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 12:33 AM
Re Cindy Sheehan,
One coyote ugly woman propped up by NOW and Liberal organizations across the country will only affect the 10% of America who hate and blame everything bad on Bush & Co. Cindy Sheehan has bigger problems facing her after the rally. She has to go a home where her husband no longer lives, since he filed for divorce. (This actually pleases NOW since they believe women do not need men in their lives.)She has alienated many members of her family by prostituting herself in the name of her dead son, Casey. And, worst of all, she has to look at that ugly mug each and every morning she decides to live before finally decides to end it all by growing a beard and moving in with Michael Moore. You lefties are certainly moving in the right direction.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 25, 2005 12:38 AM
Interesting the BBC has not a word about the demostrations?
Oh yeah, it was the BBC that ran a headline "Bush Rallies the Country" before his last feeble attempt at a speech was even over. Before morning they had pulled the headline as polls took the predictable down turn for the worst numbers in recent history.
That qualifies them for MSM status, no?
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 12:42 AM
Jeanne
"To summarize, it took over 4 hours for people clear out of the ellipse area. I have been to several large marches in Washington, DC, since 1989 and this was by far the largest."
Sounds like the Hurricane Rita evacuation from Houson and viscinity. Could it be that the Libs were just so disorganized they did not know how to get out? Be careful what you speak of. Louie would be very offended to hear you say this was a bigger rally than his 1/4 million man march.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 25, 2005 12:45 AM
Britain to pull troops from Iraq as Blair says 'don't force me out'
Defence Secretary confident withdrawal will start in May - Plan follows pressure for exit strategy
Peter Beaumont and Gaby Hinsliff
Sunday September 25, 2005
The Observer
British troops will start a major withdrawal from Iraq next May under detailed plans on military disengagement to be published next month, The Observer can reveal.
The document being drawn up by the British government and the US will be presented to the Iraqi parliament in October and will spark fresh controversy over how long British troops will stay in the country. Tony Blair hopes that, despite continuing and widespread violence in Iraq, the move will show that there is progress following the conflict of 2003.
Britain has already privately informed Japan - which also has troops in Iraq - of its plans to begin withdrawing from southern Iraq in May, a move that officials in Tokyo say would make it impossible for their own 550 soldiers to remain.
The increasingly rapid pace of planning for British military disengagement has been revealed on the eve of the Labour Party conference, which will see renewed demands for a deadline for withdrawal. It is hoped that a clearer strategy on Iraq will quieten critics who say that the government will not be able to 'move on' until Blair quits. Yesterday, about 10,000 people demonstrated against the army's continued presence in the country.
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Look like the USA is going to be holding the bag solo. Well we do have the Bunnypants private army, there has always been more of them than British soldiers anyway.
No word in the "Guardian/Observer" about the demonstrations?
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 12:53 AM
Getting your "buzz" on?
The later the hour the more vile your prose? HA!
That is devolution!
"Are we not men? We are Devo!"
HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 12:56 AM
Capt,
Members of Devo are from Akron, Ohio. Some of them worked in the advertising business and developed the slogan "Rust Never Sleeps" for the product Rustoleum. Neil Young enlisted members of Devo to sing background on his song, "Hey Hey, My My." While in the studio he heard the members of Devo whispering the words "Rust Never Sleeps" over and over. Neil young felt that it fit his career as a musician to that point and decided to name his 1979 tour and album of the same name, "Rust Never Sleeps."
Re my post, just being honest. Sorry, "honesty seems to be the hardest word." (Taupin/John)
Posted by: Tim H at September 25, 2005 01:05 AM
From Gulf To Shining Gulf
SIDNEY BLUMENTHAL
September 22, 2005
Bush's responses to the crisis in Iraq and the aftermath of Katrina are jarringly repetitive. Are his speechwriters using a computer's copy-and-paste function?
Even the words are the same. On Iraq, President Bush declared on Feb. 4, 2004, "We will do what it takes. We will not leave until the job is done." On post-Hurricane Katrina reconstruction, on Sept. 15, he eerily echoed, "We will do what it takes. We will stay as long as it takes." It was reassuring for the nation to be told by the president in his televised address that he intends to "stay" in the United States and not cut and run. Perhaps a White House speechwriter hit the copy-and-paste function on his computer or the word "stay" simply popped into the president's mind as he contemplated the crisis, straying into improvisation.
The jarring reverberation of repetitive rhetoric suggested a presidency on a feedback loop. Analogies, of course, are imperfect. Bush's speech, which junked the whole of conservative ideology and channeled the spirit of Lyndon Johnson, might be taken as evidence that his frequent trips to New Orleans have worked some voodoo on him. But there are enough elements in common between the catastrophes in Iraq and New Orleans to be able to grasp the underlying similarities in the Bush approach from Gulf to shining Gulf.
Just as the Iraq war was predicated on the distortion, falsification and suppression of intelligence, so was the administration's preparation for Katrina marked by the refusal to register information contrary to its prefabricated beliefs. Bush's censoring and dismissal of science on global warming helped lull him about the growing severity of hurricanes as a consequence. It was a possibility he did not want to know because it ran contrary to his dogmas. But his passivity extended to the eve of Katrina's landfall, when Max Mayfield, the director of the National Hurricane Center, briefed him by teleconference video about the likelihood that the raging storm would breach the levees of New Orleans. Under Bush, the Federal Emergency Management Agency had been reorganized from a professionally proficient operation into a political dumping ground, and since 2001 FEMA had been studiously ignoring precise warnings of a potentially disastrous hurricane hitting New Orleans.
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Okay, I admit I used to think Sidney was a tool, a hyper-wonk that was grown inside a political machine to service that machine.
The more I read from him, the more I like him.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 01:08 AM
"just being honest"
Well that would be a departure for you. How about a little honesty about what libation you are enjoying?
Come, honestly. Getting a little beer buzz on? or is it rum? HA!
Do not lie, you claim to be "just being honest" so which is it?
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 01:11 AM
Capt,
Ha!?
Make your point and move on. You sound like a cough!
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 25, 2005 01:11 AM
Tim H
You make a habit of commenting and blogging about a womans looks?
This makes you look petty and weak.
Cindy motivated a half million people to join her on the Mall yesterday. United for the same cause.
What did YOU do yesterday?????
Posted by: titchaba@hotmail.com at September 25, 2005 02:30 AM
Capt,
Sorry for the delay in my response. It is not the beer talking, it is the Similac. My 4 month old just woke up and decided he needed a drink. It is 2:25 a.m. as I type this.
Regarding your preious post, you are undoubtly the most petty, patheric, excuse for a human being that I have ever encountered on this site. I reached out with sincerity and you respond with attacks that have basis in fact. Have you ever had children, Capt? Ever know what it is like to respond to the cries of a hungry child in the middle of the night?
Posted by: Tim H at September 25, 2005 02:30 AM
Tim H
You make a habit of commenting and blogging about a womans looks?
This makes you look petty and weak.
Cindy motivated a half million people to join her on the Mall yesterday. United for the same cause.
What did YOU do yesterday?????
Posted by: titchaba@hotmail.com at September 25, 2005 02:30 AM
Capt,
Sorry for the delay in my response. It is not the beer talking, it is the Similac. My 4 month old just woke up and decided he needed a drink. It is 2:25 a.m. as I type this.
Regarding your preious post, you are undoubtly the most petty, patheric, excuse for a human being that I have ever encountered on this site. I reached out with sincerity and you respond with attacks that have basis in fact. Have you ever had children, Capt? Ever know what it is like to respond to the cries of a hungry child in the middle of the night? I started doing thi s in 1985 3ith my first born and gladly do it in 2005 with my 4th born. If you have never done this, there is nothing like the bonding that goes on between a child and his parent 24/7. Often times that occurs way beyond the time I would have bid the world an Hasta Manana and hit the sack. I wouldn't trade the time I spent with my child in the last hour a half than all the tax increases you and your ilk demand that Hitler/Bush raise to pay for all the devastation in the gulf coast.
Take a lesson in life Capt. You, nor I, amount to anything in the national scheme of things. We control only what goes on around us. I for one, am happy, optomistic, albeit tired, and hopeful for the future of this country. Sadly, I do not see that in your future.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 25, 2005 02:41 AM
#183 Tim H, a very intriguing idea! #193, Cindy Sheehan's beauty is internal and her soul will be eternally beautiful.
#184 capt, the squabbling will bring down America. America is to far gone to ever recover. She is in the process of self-destruction and self-implosion.
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 02:46 AM
Tichaba,
Cindy Sheehan is ugly. That is my personal opinion, not an attack on her character. My attack on her character is that she is a media whore willing to spread her legs to get what what she wants but will eventually end up like any washed up prostitute. Nothing of value that anywone would ever want, or pay for.
Honesty, anyoue? That is what she is and that is what will happen.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 25, 2005 02:48 AM
Gerald #206
You do not know how right you are. This country will never be brought down by a foreign force. The only force to bring it down will come from within.
Tim H
ps. Mark just decided he was done playing for the evening. Now I sleep to take big brother home in the morning so he can play golf with his friend.
Posted by: Tim H at September 25, 2005 02:57 AM
"with attacks that have basis in fact"
HA! I believe that is a Freudian slip? HA!
Your ass is showing once again. Your vile invective is tragic. Get some help you psycho.
You are clearly not the easy going liar you act like in the earlier hours, if you are not an addict you are a garden variety psycho.
Either way get some help.
Too much of that stump juice rots the brain and kills your soul.
You and your family are in my prayers.
Mr. Nicey nice took off about 8 or 9 your time. Maybe you do not see it but others do. Look under "AA" in your local phone book, get a sponsor and return to being yourself. One day at a time pal, your family deserves better than and alcoholic jerk for a dad, father, husband.
Peace be with you,
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 03:03 AM
I rest my case regarding posting to trolls, even when they are sober.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 03:04 AM
Anti-war rally held in Washington
Thousands of anti-war protesters are marching in Washington to demand the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.
Organisers said they were expecting 100,000 to turn out for the 11-hour rally, march and concert near the White House and Washington Monument.
Opinion polls show a majority in the US believe the war in Iraq is going badly and US troops should be brought home.
A few hundred supporters of President Bush's policy in Iraq also gathered in Washington for a counter protest.
Anti-war rallies were also being held in other cities across the US as well as in London, Paris and Rome but in many cases the numbers were down on protests in previous years.
Demonstrators travelled from far and wide for what organisers said was the largest rally in Washington since the start of the war.
They carried banners reading "Bring the Troops Home Now" and "Bush Lied, Thousands Died."
*****end of clip*****
The BBC weighs in.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 03:10 AM
Blair is accused of Kyoto U-turn
PM moves closer to Bush's solutions
Juliette Jowit, environment editor
Sunday September 25, 2005
In a debate, hosted by former US President Bill Clinton in New York, Blair said he was not hopeful of another major agreement on targets to reduce emissions of the greenhouse gases blamed for climate change.
Instead, he talked enthusiastically about focusing on technology-led solutions, the process favoured by America, Japan, China and India, but rejected by environmental campaigners and other leaders, including Britain's own minister responsible for climate change minister.
He also back-tracked on his previous insistence that tackling climate change would not damage economic growth, warning 'no country is going to cut its growth or consumption substantially' - a phrase that echoes anti-Kyoto arguments of President George Bush.
'Some people have signed Kyoto, some people haven't,' the Prime Minister said, adding: 'How do we move forward and ensure that post-Kyoto, we do try and get agreement?'
The apparent change in tone by Blair is surprising because he made climate change one of the major themes of his chairmanship of the G8 group of the world's richest nations.
*****end of clip*****
As Gomer Pyle USMC would say: Surprise, surprise, surprise! A position at the Carlyle Group when he is chased out of Number 10 and a reversal to accommodate Commander Bunnypants and his poppy?
Talk about Bunnypants lap-dogs. If Blair's nose was any more brown he would not get that cherished spot as he would be the wrong color.
Still not a word in the "Guardian" about the demonstrations.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 03:24 AM
Oh NO, it's ======> Alan
hey hey I'm almost back to normal 'round here. Took awhile undoing 'hurricane prep' and cleaning up the yard of limbs 'n debris. No probs here at all, except when I woke up I noticed the cable was out. *shrug* I only have it for the broadband (no cable TV) and I wasn't online anyway/too bizzy... till now dammmit! I'm spoilt! Dial-up sucks!!
Hey, but if that's all I got to bish about, it's all good, ya know? Cool to hear from Big Al *waves at 'im*, and all the usual suspects 'round here that had me in their thoughts. Thanks guyz.
Capt, dadgummit man, that Tim H. acts just like my ex-wife, a real psycho for sure. haha It wasn't drinking either. She'd do a 180 in a flash for who knows what reason. *bewildered look* (note to readers: Capt is a smart man, and I'll tell ya why) Capt seen this guy for what he is and went straight to step 3. It took me years to get there with tha mrs. Step 1. Sometimes walking on eggshells to not set her off at a bad time... with company or out somewhere. Step 2. Not givin' a fk one way or the other how she was gonna act Step 3. Tuning her out completely/no more arguing, and watching the game or something... which is bad for a marriage, but by then it was a lost cause anyway. That's Tim H., a lost cause and Capt skipped all that other b/s. *props to you Sir*
I'm outtie, and where's my fkn broadband !
Posted by: Alan at September 25, 2005 03:39 AM
HA!
Glad to hear you are all swell!
I was worried when the local news here was all bad news, fwy's and all.
Now if we can get a shout out from the others in the area. They will check in.
capt
PS - sounds like we had the same ex? HA!
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 03:45 AM
nightowls LOL...
another example of NEWSPEAK- read the morning newsites and hear about this pro-military rally.
now that's a great term because pro-war sounds like sh*t! Not gonna sell any product under that brand.
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 09:47 AM
Woman
I have never met an ugly woman. There are all kinds of women, such as heavy or thin. If you are in love with a heavy woman, just remember acres and acres and she is all yours. If she is thin, just remember closer to the bone means sweeter the meat. We see Cindy in the trenches and she does not have her make-up or hair made up or in a dress. I will stick with what I believe and say I have never met an ugly woman. If she has nurturing and sensitivity, she is also internally beautiful and you have a gem of a woman. A woman is truly God's greatest creation. Thank God for women!!!
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 10:38 AM
Animal Lovers
There has been much talk about the leaving of animals during the hurricane. Animals are important but human beings are more important.
We had a dog for 14 years and 3 months until we had to put her to sleep. It was a difficult decision because she was part of the family.
I know that animals are important but why is America home to animal lovers and human being haters?
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 10:45 AM
A real oximoron experience is attending a pro-war rally!
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 10:49 AM
Gerald
We do eat animals after all, I'd say it's about even steven between animal and people haters, nein?
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 10:51 AM
Mad Wars
You must be crazy if you love wars.
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 10:52 AM
and I'd say it's not just America, humans are known in general for our disregard of other creatures, but I digress...
ever hear one referred to as pro-war?
I think it might be fun to see something like that...from aways off of course
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 10:53 AM
Tim H - to make a personal attack - i.e. Cindy Sheehan's looks - instead of debating her words and deeds - is pure cowardice. A lot more than 10% of Americans believe that Bush is a liar and got us into a war that 1) is illegal 2) unwinnable 3) has ruined our country's world wide reputation 4) has ruined our country's finances 5) has brought unimaginable profits for Bush's cronies.....and that's just the tip of the arguments against the war and Bush.
You, on the other hand, want to malign a bereaved mother who says NO MORE to all of this. She is the best example of what one person can do. She is not being propped up by NOW, they have rallied around HER. NOW does not believe that women can live without men. Have you ever been to a NOW meeting? I have. And men have attended the meetings I have been to as well. NOW is an orginazation that stands up for the rights of women - not against men. The problem is that governments and the laws governing women for thousands of year, laws written by men, have forced women to fight for their rights to vote, for their own reproductive rights, to get equal pay, to even own property. It is the laws of men that have been used to keep women down. Even if there are some women who have knee jerked and said they can live without men - can you blame them?
A long time ago, I had a guy try to sit down between me and a friend at a bar - he was trying to pick up my friend who was admittedly very pretty - much more so than I was/am. When my friend and I told him to go away and tried to prevent him from sitting down and insinuating himself into our conversation he then ranted and raved about how ugly we were. You and he must be related.
I just read your latest post regarding Cindy being a "media whore". You are using sexual imagry to malign a woman speaking out, rightfully so, when others wouldn't. You say you want to have civil debates yet you constantly use disgusting terms to malign Cindy's character instead of debating what she says. That is because you can't debate her arguments so you have to say she is ugly and use sexual ephitets. You are worse than a coward.
Posted by: flan at September 25, 2005 10:56 AM
Born Again Christian?
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 10:57 AM
Happy Sunday Morning to ya' guys. Alan, I figured you'd rise above Rita and show that Amer-I-CAN spirit. Capt, you are en fuego, dude. (Note to self: stay on Capt's good side)
How's about a little Sunday Funnies?
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I'm glad Altar Boy's nomination is going smoothly (for Chimpy). I don't think he could stand another asskicking.
I don't think the outcome was ever in question. I believe they call it stare decisis.
Katrina relief is on the way, but our government is still struggling to tread water in these times of trouble.
I think God was looking out for chimpy when he downgraded Rita before taking her ashore. President Cheney was in surgery and Chimpy's brain was fundraising. For a moment there, I think Chimpy was actually in charge. Sweeet!
On a more serious note, it's good to see the Bushbots getting their groove on. And you know if their shrunken brains are squeaking and their sticky little fingers are typing, they MUST BE lying.
Gare's stoopid little jibe about Mizz Clinton refusing to meet Cindy Sheehan turns out to be a lie (of course).
Timmiee! Dude, it's because of Reactionary hoplites like you that Chimpy gets to make a total GOOfus of himself. He knows that no matter how badly he screws the pooch, you'll be there to pat his pointy little head. No matter how much he lied to get us into Iraq, you do backflips to justify turning Iraq into a Muslim Theocracy. Yes, that's exactly what our brave men and women signed up to fight for. You still haven't answered my question. How can you say that Chimpy was not lying when you know that Bolton and his fixers at WINPAC were feeding him and the media a load of horseshit? Why were the folks at CIA so concerned that WINPAC was directing administration policy? Because Chimpy was using WINPAC to create his war lies. And it worked. You bought it hook, line and sinker. Moron.
And you keep spouting the same Reactionary talking points. You accuse Liberals of not having any new ideas. You speak for the party of the 5th Century B.C. The concept of freeing the rich to screw the poor has been around since the days of Solon and Pericles. Those guys perfected the Plutocracy. The Cheney Administration is doing its best; but somehow it rings hollow. Katrina relief turns into money for Cheneyburton. Brankruptcy laws don't apply to the rich. Our country is less safe than it was before because Homeland Security is a sham. Real incomes have fallen every year under Chimpy and his father. Poverty has risen every year under Chimpy and his father. Only Hoover created fewer jobs under his presidency -- and that was during a global depression. Health costs are up, gas prices are almost triple what they were five years ago. Clap louder Timmiee, clap louder.
It's not entirely your fault that you're so stoopid. The media has to take some share of the blame. As the WashPost has the story of Frist's insider trading on the front page, The New Pravda writes a story on the issue and sits on it for a day. They know (as Billmon sez) that The New Pravda is just helping Frist ride out the storm.
But this sad story of a bunch of millionaires is their idea of a front page article (it was on the front page of their web site, yesterday). They also have articles questioning the idea of Global Warming that fail to cite a single scientific study that actually questions Global Warming. Puh-freekin-thetic.
They've cut off their idiotorialists with a pay-per-view firewall. Step 1: Snip nose. Step 2: Spite face. Brilliant. There will always be a few enterprising freaks that will figure out a way around this restriction.
And last and certainly least, to our newest resident moron (Tim H.), Titchaba was wrong. You do not sound petty and weak you sound stoopid. You Reactionaries can keep kicking Sheehan and Americans will continue to abandon Chimpy's war. They know that we've turned Iraq into Western Iran. They know that the mullahs are getting rich off of our new energy crisis. They know that the Islamofascists have triple the amount of money that they had four years ago because Chimpy tried to make a few bucks for his old cronies. Keep calling Sheehan a whore and a shill for MoveOn. Keep making idiotic jokes about Liberals getting lost in DC; because as more and more Independents and Reds walk away from the war, the more you look like a complete idiot. Good job, dumbass.
Back to the funnies: Chimpy's family is helping him make his stage presence seem more Republican. Luckily he looks cute in a crown.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at September 25, 2005 11:00 AM
Capt, Tim H reminds me of someone, oh yeh, Sybil!
Posted by: Saladin at September 25, 2005 11:05 AM
Gerald, I am sure you know where this comes from...
"Blessed are you when people hate you, and when they exclude and insult you, and denounce your name as evil on account of the Son of Man."
Maybe these so called "Christians" have forgotten. Bush, Falwell, Robertson and a certain Christian school in CA certainly have. A 14-year old girl was expelled from her school because her parents are Lesbians.
Read this...
Bob Cesca: Bigotry In The Name Of Jesus H. Christ
Posted by: flan at September 25, 2005 11:07 AM
Saladin, you are saying TimH has a split personality. You are insulting people who really do suffer from multiple personality disorder. My brother is schizophrenic. While his doesn't have MPD, your remark reminds me of when people use the term schizophrenic - or "schizo" when they wanto to insult someone who is acting like a hypocrite. People who suffer from MPD and schizophrenia can't help their behavior, hypocrites choose not to.
To make fun of someone usng psychiatric terms continues the stigma attached to these disorders. Is bad enough to suffer from MPD, Bipolar Disorder, Major Depression or Schizophrenia, but it's worse when your illness, or the name of your illness anyway, is used as the butt of joke against someone.
I am not trying to pick a fight - honest - I'm just a little sensative about this. I don't think you mean to insult these people - you were going after Tim H. I am just trying, whenever I find an opening, to enlighten people about these issues. Please think about this the next time you want to call someone "Schizo" or "Sybil".
Posted by: flan at September 25, 2005 11:42 AM
GAWD I hate having to paste this....
From TimH.
_________________
"One coyote ugly woman propped up by NOW and Liberal organizations across the country will only affect the 10% of America who hate and blame everything bad on Bush & Co. Cindy Sheehan has bigger problems facing her after the rally. She has to go a home where her husband no longer lives, since he filed for divorce. (This actually pleases NOW since they believe women do not need men in their lives.)She has alienated many members of her family by prostituting herself in the name of her dead son, Casey. And, worst of all, she has to look at that ugly mug each and every morning she decides to live before finally decides to end it all by growing a beard and moving in with Michael Moore.....".......and so on.
Tim H
_________________
This showcase of your ignorance and lack of any sense of decency finally hardens (but hardly "cures") the fecal aggregate in the cement that fills your skull, Tim.
On the very heels of a sort of appology that I never thought I'd see, you spew your hateful offal again. This is just shit syrup on a scoop of putrid ice cream. Will another call for her to "...join her son in death..." be the rotten cherry that decorates the top of your "Sinister Sunday Sundae".
Jessica Lange spoke at the anti-war rally in DC as well. (I don't know too many postmen who'd fail to ring twice at HER door) Does her world renowned beauty give more credence to HER message? Does Cindy Sheehan's looks or YOUR opinion of the relative pulchritude of ANY human matter one wit (not that you'd recognize wit) to what it is they have to say? It is the SAME message, and Cindy Sheehan is even MORE beautiful for having deliverd it.
Your mentality (if that applies) harkens back to the rampant cro-magnonesque attitudes that women have nothing to say, so they'd better be attractive, have a big rack, or (as Tori Amos wrote) "...should spread....for you, your friends, your father, Mr. Ed.?" if the REAL Hunters and Gatherers (Men) of the world are gonna show them ANY defference at all.
NOW I understand why you tout Ross Perot as some sort of "leader"...
"His own son, Ross Jr., says "If he thinks he is right, that's all that matters."
"One coyote ugly woman propped up by NOW and Liberal organizations across the country will only affect the 10% of America who hate and blame everything bad on Bush & Co."
-Tim H. as though it were a fact...
In your world "Great Minds" don't think alike, they've simply got similar neuroses.
You have no class, no intellect, no evolution, no hope for redemption.
Enjoy your empty echo.
-T
p.s. Make sure to tell your pals down at the K of C that you think "God sucks Donkey Dick" anytime somebody speaks of their spiritual beliefs, like you have here.
Puh-THETIC!
Posted by: Hajji at September 25, 2005 11:45 AM
On a lighter note, maybe my calling Tim H a coward is an insult to cowards. They can't help themselves either. Maybe I am a hypocrite.
Posted by: flan at September 25, 2005 11:46 AM
RE: Maybe these so called "Christians" have forgotten. Bush, Falwell, Robertson and a certain Christian school in CA
I'm actually waiting for Jesus to return so we can see a replay of that cleansing of the Temples thing...
Whipping Pat, Jerry and George around their respective temples...F'n priceless
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 11:48 AM
Hey Flan seriously, lay off the hypocrites
we get a bad rap
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 11:50 AM
Yeah Ed, if Jesus were alive today, he'd be trashing the Evangelical TV stations and Bob Jones University among others. I'd pay to watch.
Posted by: flan at September 25, 2005 11:51 AM
imagine the looks on those buggers faces
REPENT
REPENT
OMG
please God, if you can hear me blogging let me live to be old enough to witness the Purging of The Religious Wrong
pretty please, I won't even sin no more...
on Sundays
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 11:54 AM
before noon
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 11:54 AM
RATIONAL TROLL BAIT
How exactly does the Iraqi Welfare state fit into the Conservative charter?
Then again rule number five of the GOP is if one lies we all swear to it so I guess that card trumps.
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 12:01 PM
Ah, but what is sin, but behavior that the people in power want to control. Or a least not allow the little people to engage in. For adultery, lying and murder certainly is best saved for the religious leaders of the world, not the masses.
Posted by: flan at September 25, 2005 12:03 PM
my favorite recent comment from Billy-o- Lielly
"there is no GOP equivalent of Howard Dean"
Delay
Santorum
Frist
hmmmm, I know the SCLM MSM mindalt newspeak nonsense we get now is to blame but jesus does Bill even pick up a newspaper and read about his own party...or does he just sit in his den in the dark naked playing voodoo rituals with Hillary Clinton dolls all night after work.
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 12:06 PM
then again
maybe him not reading the paper is safer
a little knowledge in the wrong hands and BLAM
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 12:07 PM
and again lil trollsters that is why I dislike Billy-boy bestest of all...he's dishonest about his treachery
at least Limbaugh wears it around his neck
drug addled neck that it may be but again, I digress...
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 12:11 PM
Case in point...
Mainstream Religious Leaders in Bushtime -
Guardians of the Status Quo
Posted by: flan at September 25, 2005 12:12 PM
Flan,
Billy Milligan, the first person to have been judges not quilty (of aggrivated assault, I think) by reason of insanity due to MPDs ALSO grew up in Southern Ohio. (Read "The minds of Billy Milligan," by Daniel Keys) Maybe there's something in the water on that side of the river or sumpthin'.
Cuzin' Tim's just another running-scared little neo-con realizing his basic beliefs are based on a foundation of lies and convoluted logic. They all lash out most ferociously when they're feeling MOST threatened. Funny that Cindy Sheehan, the most recent object of his unnatural hatred, should inspire such vitriol.
C'mon down! We'll drive over to G'ville and watch Jesus torch BJU in person!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 25, 2005 12:17 PM
The Liberal Think Tank that is ABCnews is reporting today that-
The pro-military rally was billed as a time to honor the troops fighting "the war on terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere around the world."
Note the locations of this so called war on terror and then Riddle me this Batkids, how many Iraqis and Afghans took the one way flight into US soil on 9-11?
WLM?
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 12:25 PM
I'm goint to get my haircut in Burlington so I can contribute to the Brighton business community type asininnary LOL
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 12:27 PM
Alan!
Great News, when we were expecting worse!
Fire up that grill, load up that cooler, bring the family in and CELEBRATE LIFE. (then go do the same thing where people were NOT so fortunate)
Pande,
Good on you, too! I'm thinkin' I'd just LOVE to see the crowd of extended Pandemoniacs (PandeMANICS?) sprawled all over the compound.
Hope they're all going home to, well wherever home is, with little, if any damage.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 25, 2005 12:27 PM
Hajjii - I only wish it were something in the water - maybe we'd be able to find a cure. My brother has suffered long enough
I'll take you up on that offer if it ever happens! My brother has 50 beautiful acres in Ellerbee, NC. Beautiful part of the country.
I am glad that Alan and others are safe. My cousin lives in Baytown, TX. I am glad that they were spared but am so sorry for others who have lost so much.
Posted by: flan at September 25, 2005 12:33 PM
ed,
Burlington MA, or Burlington VT?
Always worth the time to day-trip to Vermont...
Burlington, VT is a seething mass of neo-Hippies and right-thinking leftists. And the lake is spectacular.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 25, 2005 12:33 PM
On the Clinton News Network website Bob Novak titles Bashing Bush in Aspen
Thursday, September 22, 2005
and then follows with Bobby Novak's one man effort to save Bush in Aspen under the guise of being an independent cat
I'd have given a quarter of my soul to have seen Novak in jail...anyone ever watch OZ?
I'd say that'd be about just for the Plame Blame Game
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 12:34 PM
Nope I'll be keeping in MA today
I've been to Burlington, VT and did enjoy it though it was a nutty winter, I'm NE 4 LIFE so I'm actually hard wired for winter as is.
Anyone know if the Army is sending recruiters to the PRO WAR rally today...it is a business after all and it would be business suicide not to consider the PRO WAR rally a highly lucrative and viable Employment Fair
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 12:42 PM
Bring your FOUR MORE YEARS signs and your resumes you righty a-holes
Let the enrollment begin
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 12:43 PM
I think that should be a standard question for the journalists in the field today
anyone at the pro-war rally should be asked if they are willing to sign up right there and then
walk the walk style
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 12:52 PM
and when they say no you ask?
Then you SHOUT them down as Libs, Commies and America Haters
bet that'd freak em out
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 12:54 PM
Love and Hate
Here is my response when schools target children for their parentsՠbehavior. I responded to a Catholic News Service article, "Gay couple's son enrollment angers some"(January 28, 2005).
I oppose gay marriages but children should not be singled out for what their parents do or not do. The hate must stop now. America is consumed with a hate and kill mentality. Unless we stop the hatred and killing, like in Iraq, America will self-destruct. The choice is clear. We are to choose love over hate.
My response was published in a Catholic weekly newspaper.
Let me say that I post but internally I believe that America is a doomed nation. Whether or not my posts have a positive effect in changing the hate and kill mentality is of little concern to me. The dry rot in the American souls has taken hold and the process cannot be reversed. America's tombstone is about completed. The words on the tombstone will read HERE LIES A DEPRAVED INDIFFERNT NATION OF COLD BLOODED KILLERS WHO FOUND DELIGHT AND JOY IN THE MURDERING OF THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 01:06 PM
So Tim,
If I'm dog ugly does that make me less legit?
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 01:17 PM
Tim H
"tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
Bit late for you I suspect.
Posted by: titchaba at September 25, 2005 01:17 PM
The Sheehan Effect
Cindy is one of Jesus' disciples.
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 01:26 PM
Yowzah. What a storm! We didn't get a single drop here in San Antonio. We did get a drip, though.
Yes, Hajji, an even dozen little Pandemaniacs on the loose in my humble abode. We did our best to keep the runny noses from the crusty noses and did all the handwashing we could. We only hope they haven't gotten the misimpression that a hurricane involves no rain, no wind and lots of fun and games with relatives. Or rather, hopefully they learned that we shouldn't wait for a hurricane to see the folks we grew up with.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at September 25, 2005 01:31 PM
Please Cornposters share any information like articles that has Bush, a low life piece of noxious sludge, back on booze and snorting. Thank you for any help!
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 01:32 PM
America's Epitaph
HERE LIES A DEPRAVED INDIFFERENT NATION OF COLD BLOODED KILLERS WHO FOUND DELIGHT AND JOY IN THE MURDERING OF THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 01:43 PM
#241
Hajji,
I agree with you on the idea that the Christian right and the neocons are beginning to realized they have been had. They got burned by the biggest con this nation has ever seen. Very unpleasant. Everything they have stood for, everything they believe in is in tatters. I wouldn't want to be part of that group. It's a come to Jesus moment.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 01:46 PM
Tim,
Women have learned they have to fight for the rights of others. They learn it from an early age. Cindy Sheehan is doing what is in the best interest of the people of her nation. She know that what she is doing is right. That is what keeps her going.
Getting Rid of Sex Discrimination
A 7-year-old girl had to ride to school in Eden Prairie, Minnesota, on a bus with boys who called her "bitch" and made fun of little girls because they didn't have penises, and with a driver who thought it was funny. Over five months, the girl's mother sent 22 pages of complaints to school officials, who lectured the boys and briefly suspended several troublemakers from riding the bus. Because the mother felt that the school wasn't doing enough to protect her daughter, she filed a complaint with the state Department of Human Rights.2
In Petaluma, California, eighth-grader Tawnya Brawdy had to run a gauntlet of boys gathered outside her school who would begin mooing as she approached. According to Tawnya, the harassment "went on before school, during classes, in between classes and during lunch," but her teacher told her she'd just have to put up with it. Boys continued to moo at her all through high school. The U.S. Department of Education found, in a 211-page report, that the schools had failed to protect her. Tawnya's mother sued her district over "emotional distress" and collected $20,000 in an out-of-court settlement. She now heads a group called Parents for Title 9. 3
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 02:04 PM
And Tim,
As for the NOW organization, I would be very thankful they are there because I don't think there is one crony among them. They are looking out for the best interests of your daughters and your wife and even you.
Applauding Crawford Resignation, NOW Asks for Reversal on Implants Dr. Lester Crawford was the head of the FDA.
"We've seen a series of bad decisions coming from top FDA officials, most notably the unjustified delay in approving over-the-counter sales of emergency contraception and the reckless preliminary approval of two applications for risky, unproven silicone breast implants," Gandy said. "All three decisions went against the FDA's own scientific staff and, in two instances, ignored recommendations of FDA advisory panels."
Gandy continued, "The current Food and Drug Administration no longer can boast of its work as the 'gold standard' of drug and device safety and effectiveness. We desperately need new leadership that will not bow to religious anti-birth control extremists as Crawford did or cave in to profit-driven manufacturers who ignore or hide data about their risky drugs and devices - such as with silicone breast implants and a number of prescription drugs."
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 02:19 PM
By the way, I have bookmarked the NOW site. They have good articles.
And here's a tee shirt for you Tim
Tee Shirt
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 02:26 PM
Jeanne - you go girl!
Posted by: flan at September 25, 2005 02:39 PM
Just one more thing.
Tim, if I buy this tee shirt for you will you wear it and put the picture on your website?
Tee shirt
Or this one?
tee shirt
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 02:45 PM
September 23, 2005
Bush Beats LBJ in Federal Spending
Nick Gillespie reviews a new study by the American Enterprise Institute that calculates President Bush "has boosted total inflation-adjusted discretionary spending in his first term by 35.1 percent. To put that in context, chew on this: LBJ -- the Texas legend who created the Great Society and, for all intents and purposes, the Vietnam War -- only boosted discretionary spending 33.4 percent. What's more, the gap between Bush and LBJ will only grow.... since the final outlays for fiscal year 2005 (the last budget signed in Bush's first term) aren't in yet."The great irony is that the conservative political movement was spawned in response to Lyndon Johnson's domestic policies. Now, it's leader, George W. Bush, may cause it's undoing. It's no wonder so many conservatives are turning on the president.
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Talk about bad stats for republican?
The ones that know how to count are pissed!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 02:53 PM
Yesterday was HUGE!!!!!!
The most amazing thing I have ever witnessed!!
The protest was more Anti- Bush than anti- war.
300,000 or more:
Rich, poor, christian, jew, muslim, latino, white, black, asian, humans, dogs, old people, young people, babies, handicapped, republicans, democrats, anarchist's, communist's, greens, liberterians, all united together!
Bush really is a uniter!
Most people stayed all night. I had to go home, I am a wimp like that.
There are some good photos on the web and in the Washington Post today.
In a related story: ONE HUNDRED people showed up at the neoconservative pro-war hate and lie fest in D.C. today !!! Even G Gordon Liddy spoke and only a HUNDRED people came!
For all of the rhetoric, talking points, and propaganda, I can't deny what I have seen with my own eyes. You should all be encouraged. Now the taunting of the bushbots is nothing but a joke. Go hide in your hole Tim, you are done.
Posted by: corky at September 25, 2005 03:19 PM
To consider a persons outward appearance to effect political commentary seems VERY selective if one gazes upon the likes of Barbara Bush, Ann Coulter or Katherine Harris.
For what it is worth even the "beautiful" women that are or are married to a neocon give me the creeps with their WAY too fake cheshire grins and wacko happy faces.
This *is* my happy face!
I love that line! HA!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 03:20 PM
capt.
You know who really creeps me out! Bay Buchanon. She is scary.
Posted by: corky at September 25, 2005 03:23 PM
Corky, glad to hear the report and have heard the same from many others.
The Reds tried to have their own protest. They were expecting 20,000 folks to taunt Mizz Sheehan and thumb their noses at the America-haters. They attracted all of 100 people. As the newest Timmiee would say, poor Reactionaries -- they're so stoopid -- maybe they got lost on their way into DC. LOL.
Raw Story has info on all of Chimpy's Brownies. Seems the Reds love incompetence the way they love a good lynching.
And Speaking of the Grand Ol' Lynching Party, it seems they want to boost the numbers in the TN black caucus by joining even when they're white. HUH-freeking-larry-usss!
Posted by: Pandemoniac at September 25, 2005 03:39 PM
Hey, I almost did the double-post thing. I clicked "post" and nothing happened. I was just about to click it again; but I decided to check to see if it had gone through. Sure enough, it was there. WTF?
Posted by: Pandemoniac at September 25, 2005 03:42 PM
About Cindy Sheehan
Fri, 2005-09-23
Introduction of Cindy Sheehan, Recipient of Pacifica Radio's Unvarnished Truth Award
By David Swanson
I came to know Cindy Sheehan in May, and Рlike most people РI immediately loved her. She is a very friendly and loving person, and you cannot work on a project with her without being constantly reminded of what it is all about, how important it is, how right it is.
Cindy does not talk about peace movement strategy as if she were working on any old project. She talks about the urgent need to end the vile crimes of the greedy bastards who sent her son to die so that they could grow rich on his flesh and blood. This is Cindy's language that I am repeating.
Cindy's directness is Рfor many people -- not off-putting when she speaks it, because it is so recognizably honest. She presents her personal story and her analysis of the war with absolutely no fear. She gives us, in fact, the truth without varnish. And last month she proved that even the corporate media can be attracted to such confrontational truth in a way that it never is attracted to the sort of moderate muddle more often counseled by PR pros and political advisors.
Early on during her protest in Texas, Cindy had a reporter tell her that her story was only taking off because it was a slow news week. She asked whether they thought two dozen American kids dying in Iraq was slow news. "Well, you know what I mean," came the response. "No, I don't," said Cindy. And she didn't, and she didn't want to learn to.
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I think the beauty of Cindy Sheehan is very apparent and very external. It comes from deep within her heart and soul and it come to the surface in her honesty, courage and her grief at the loss of her son.
Love and caring looks good on everyone while hate looks ugly on anyone that chooses to wear it.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 03:44 PM
Corky,
Bay = Medusa ?
Do not look at her, you can be turned to stone. HA!
You are rocking with the updates!
Thanks
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 03:46 PM
Pande,
They don't call the Star and Trib the Hammer and Sickle for nothing.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 03:54 PM
mmmmmm sickle
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 04:03 PM
100 people! That is sooooooooo funny. I am snorting with laughter.
AWOL is sponsoring a city wide student walkout in Twin Cities. Minneapolis - St. Paul on November 2. Rally will end up at U of Minnesota. Are there similar rallies taking place around the country that day?
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 04:04 PM
flan, sorry, but I'm not exactly what you would call politically correct. Referring to Tim H as Sybil was not meant as an insult to schizophrenics, but rather was comparing his personality switching traits to the same. Rational and polite one minute, a rude asshole the next. Since I don't really think in terms of insulting people with handicaps it didn't occur to me that it would be taken as such, or offend anyone, sorry. But I don't attempt to censor anyone and I don't want to be censored either. Keep in mind that when I offer an insult, you will know it! And the person on the receiving end will deserve it, re: bush and co.
Posted by: Saladin at September 25, 2005 04:12 PM
It might be old funnies for a few here but I recommend:
http://pabloonpolitics.com/index.htm
Always a hoot!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 04:19 PM
Bush is a flip flopper
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 04:21 PM
100 people LOL!
guess it wouldn't have been such a good day for Army recruiters after all
SUPPORT THE TROOPS- BRING EM HOME
SUPPORT THE WAR- FEEL FREE TO FIGHT IT YOURSELF
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 04:23 PM
Bush is a flip flopper
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 04:24 PM
Bush is a flip flopper
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 04:28 PM
by Molly Ivins
All newspaper editors want to know what their readers like. If you would like to read this feature in your local newspaper, please do not hesitate to share your enthusiasm with your local newspaper editor.
FOR RELEASE: THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2005, AND THEREAFTER
AUSTIN, Texas -- So here are all the liberals going into a giant snit just because George W. Bush appointed a veterinarian to head the women's health section of the Food and Drug Administration. For Pete's sake, you whiners, the only reason he chose the vet is because Michael Brown wasn't available.
If you recall, Ol' Heckuva-Job Brownie had to go home, walk his dog and then hug his wife after exhausting himself in his triumphal handling of Hurricane Katrina. Otherwise, he'd have been Bush's first pick.
Now, even the veterinarian doesn't get the job -- just because those professional feminists raised such a stink. What's wrong with a vet? They know a lot about birth and udders and stuff. If the mother is having trouble giving birth, you grab the baby by the legs and pull it out -- it's not brain surgery. Then you worm 'em, you tag 'em and you spray for fleas. Why the fuss?
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Speaking of the "fairer" sex (that is a compliment I personally think women are the "better" sex but I digress).
The neocon-men have no respect for women (I know, now I am being redundant) just read this piece.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 04:33 PM
#277
The Bianca fiasco was great. Sooo funny. It must have been painful to be in the room during that. Well, maybe not.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 04:35 PM
Molly Ivins is great. I really like her writing.
Here's an interview with her on Democracy Now.
Who Let the Dogs In? An Hour with Political Columnist and Author Molly Ivins
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 05:00 PM
What I like about Molly Ivins, she is a friend of Jim Hightower. When the two get together, she drinks beer from the bottle. She is my kind of woman.
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 05:18 PM
Hi Saladin! Hi ed! Hi Jeanne! Hi Gerald!
I watched the pro war rally on Cspan. I must have heard the phrase "anti american" about a thousand times. It was all about the hate.
The rally yesterday was not about the hate. It was positive. It was all about making America great again. There was a definite absence of our lame-ass democrats. Hillary did not show. Niether did John Kerry. The only good congresspeople are the ones in the black caucus. They all showed up.
There were some dirty tricks going on yesterday. There was some lady at the metro station holding a sign directing people in the opposite direction of the rally. It was hilarious. Amtrack was also shutdown for some mysterious reason. Then the metro was shutdown for "routine maintenance". The number of people could have been even bigger. The D.C. police were incredibly cool. They were smiling, polite, and they did not bother us at all.
Posted by: corky at September 25, 2005 05:56 PM
My brother and his friend came with me to the rally yesterday. My brothers friend, Jim, used to be a big time Bush supporter. He had a great time. We went to the concert and watched Steve Earle and Joan Baez perform. We heard Cindy Sheehan and Al Sharpton speak. My brother and his friend almost got stuck in the city. All of the metro stations nearby were closed an hour early, they had to hike 2 miles to find one still open.
CNN has barely mentioned the protests at all. Please send them an email telling them how much they suck.
Posted by: corky at September 25, 2005 06:10 PM
Fox is saying they had 400 at that Pro War function, I've also read 100 and 250
any real numbers out there?
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 06:41 PM
RE: There was some lady at the metro station holding a sign directing people in the opposite direction of the rally.
sorta like Bush holding his agenda and sending the country in the wrong direction
Posted by: ed at September 25, 2005 06:42 PM
Pande and Titchaba you are both right about Tim H. By making such a statement he is not only stupid, but also weak and petty.
Flan, 222, you are a beautiful person. It is my opinion that unless there is equality for all, any one group of people (women, blacks, Indians, etc.), can never be assured safety from discrimination, even if they believe themselves to be equal at a given moment in time.
Posted by: Andrea at September 25, 2005 06:46 PM
Watched the anti-war rally on Cspan and sure wished I'd have been able to go the San Francisco rally. Buses were leaving from San Luis Obispo to go there. I've read there may have been up to 150,000 protesters there. I'm waiting for Micki and Robert S to check in and let us know how the LA and Seattle rallies were.
Posted by: Andrea at September 25, 2005 06:53 PM
X was concerned that we were straying off topic. In an effort to once again fit within the bounds of his myopic world I have found an FBI article. It's about porn.
FBI Investigative Report on Porn Films in 1972-3
There are 42 pages to the report X so enjoy your Sunday evening.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 07:31 PM
Ok off topic. I just read the transcript of Meet the Press. Tim Russert really did an outstanding job of interviewing today. We are all more educated after he tried to disembowel Aaron Brossard of Jefferson Parrish. Mr. Brossard, however, knows how to bite back and that he did.
"Listen, sir, somebody wants to nitpick a man's tragic loss of a mother because she was abandoned in a nursing home? Are you kidding? What kind of sick mind, what kind of black-hearted people want to nitpick a man's mother's death? They just buried Eva last week. I was there at the wake. Are you kidding me? That wasn't a box of Cheerios they buried last week. That was a man's mother whose story, if it is entirely broadcast, will be the epitome of abandonment. It will be the saddest tale you ever heard, a man who was responsible for safekeeping of a half a million people, mother's died in the next parish because she was abandoned there and he can't get to her and he tried to get to her through EOC. He tried to get through the sheriff's office. He tries every way he can to get there. Somebody wants to debate those things? My God, what sick-minded person wants to do that?
What kind of agenda is going on here? Mother Nature doesn't have a political party. Mother Nature can vote a person dead and Mother Nature can vote a community out of existence. But Mother Nature is not playing any political games here. Somebody better wake up. You want to come and live in this community and see the tragedy we're living in? Are you sitting there having your coffee, you're in a place where toilets flush and lights go on and everything's a dream and you pick up your paper and you want to battle ideology and political chess games? Man, get out of my face. Whoever wants to do that, get out of my face."
Transcript for September 25
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 07:48 PM
The Seattle organizers anticipated about 5,000 protesters and I think (though I cannot say for sure) that there were at least that many who showed up -- one estimate was 6,000. Weatherwise, it was a beautiful PNW day. The crowd was varied, all ages, all ethnicities, all walks of life, and all passionate. Ole, reliable Jim McDermott (D-Seattle) appeared at a 2-hour rally. (I live approx 100 miles north -- a chartered bus, two chartered vans, and many cars rolled to Seattle.)
But, ya know something bothered me about the size of the turnout yesterday because on March 19, 2005 -- when it was raining cats and dogs -- over 5,000 people marched in the streets of Seattle, which was the largest antiwar protest in Seattle since bush launched his elective Iraq War two years earlier.
I think unless more Iraq War veterans, military family members, and current military officers & enlisted men/women start participating, these demonstrations are not going to stop this war, or any war. The Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld/Rice/Rove cabal just don't give a rat's-ass about "anti-American" demonstrators (i.e. people like me who attend these events). They basically say hofuckinghum. GWB figures his accountability moment was the 2004 election, so he just doesn't give a damn about war protesters.
When all those millions of people turned out around the world prior to bush's war of choice, they just shrugged us all off. So, when you think about it...now that he "won" in 2004 it's no wonder that they don't pay any attention to us.
I know I'm repeating myself and I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here but these anti-war demonstrations, without more involvement from military who say they do not want to fight this godforsaken war and some civilian bush supporters who've changed their minds, we are not going to stop ANY bush war. If service members and military families begin to speak out in greater numbers, the bush administration cannot ignore their voices. We will be ignored.
Posted by: micki at September 25, 2005 08:17 PM
All WAY COOL!
You all RAWK today!
I lurk, as I am busy today.
Great posts and GREAT STUFF!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 08:23 PM
Jeanne, I saw ONLY that segment of MTP (can't stand to watch that asshole Russert). I think Russert was told by his corporate handlers, who got a call from Rove -- "you get that guy to admit that the feds did NOT screw up or else!" "Nail him! Get him to rattle on. Get him to say that it was the local officials who screwed up."
Posted by: micki at September 25, 2005 08:24 PM
Micki,
Did you have groups go to DC? We had bus loads of people going to DC for that rally and that may have taken the punch out of what was happening in MN. There is a rally on November 2 and I'm predicting that that one will be big. The Anti war stuff is starting to pick up in MN.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 08:27 PM
Dear Mr. Corn and posters to this site,
After 8 hours on the road to take my son back today I had a lot of time to reflect on what I said on this last night and at other times. Please accept this as a sincere apology to all.
I have been politically astute since 1973. One of my 6th grade teachers, Kenneth Clark, had all of the students in my grade school congregate in the gym to watch the initial proceedings of the impeachment of Richard Nixon. He felt that it was important enough event, and first in our lifetime, to witness first hand. While I technically did not understand the proceedings, I knew the reasons for the proceedings. Our President tried to cover up a 3rd rate attempt to steal information on his political opponents. Ever since that time, I have always had my ear to the ground regarding politics but never took it serious. For example, you have seen me on this site as a Conservative, but I really didn't care that Clinton was elected President in 1996. I actually thought he was doing okay so why change horses in the middle of the stream?
But the election in 2000 changed me, politically speaking. I actually did not make my decision on who to vote for until after the final debate. Gore just never connected to me and I have had several e-mail conversations with Donna Brazile regarding Gore's inability to appeal to the ones who decide their candidate, not based on Liberal/Conservative politics, but because they believe in the person and would be willing to vote for them.
I believe the election of 2000 changed everybody's view of politics. No matter who you voted for, it was a we vs. them that dominated the news for the next 2 months. That was when I took a turn for the worse. Things that I would have never given a second thought to, I began to argue back against. The happy go lucky Tim H that I was became the political advocate and would argue against things that never bothered me before. I miss that Tim H and the long drive home made me realize that I miss that Tim H.
So, it is with great glee, that I announce my retirement from partisan politics. I will neither argue for nor against a particular party. I will give up visiting political websites, reading political books and setting up political (though nobody ever visited the) websites.
To those of you who do not know me, Hajji can attest to the cousin he knew before I became the person I am today. Hajji is a great and caring person and my politics have caused me to say some things to him that never should have been said. Well that changes today. Hajji, I love you and Jill and wish only the best for your family. I wish David Corn and all that post here a long, healthy & happy life.
Tim H
Posted by: Tim H at September 25, 2005 08:28 PM
Micki,
The segment is on crooks and liars if you want to view it. What Rove and handlers used to do was just get the networks to ignore the real news. Well Katrina couldn't be ignored and people like Broussard are smart and articulate and Rove can't put a leash around him. Rove better get used to it because there are a lot of people in this country that he can't handle and the temperature is getting hotter and hotter.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 08:31 PM
SAS men involved in 'secret war'
Correspondents in Basra
September 26, 2005
An inquiry into the capture of the SAS team and clashes that followed between British forces and an Iraqi mob was being carried out by the Royal Military Police special investigation branch. The British Ministry of Defence said this would focus on how the soldiers had been compromised, but it was also expected to address claims that they had shot an Iraqi police officer.
The officer, Quteeb Rasheed Abdul Hameed, alleged he had been wounded in the leg when the soldiers opened fire as police approached their unmarked car to question them. A judge said yesterday he had issued warrants for the arrest of the SAS men over the shooting and the alleged killing of a second man shot in the car chase.
Judge Ragheb Mohamad Hassan al-Muthafar told The Sunday Times in an exclusive interview that the soldiers were "suspects who attempted to commit a wilful act of murder".
"Whatever their mission, they have no right to fire intentionally on anyone, let alone a security man whose job is to protect this country," he said.
According to the judge, nine people were killed and 14 injured, including two boys aged 13 and 14, when the mob attacked British forces surrounding the police station where the men were detained. Britain declined to comment on the toll but said the warrants had no legal basis. "All British troops in Iraq come under the jurisdiction of Britain," a spokesman said.
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What a mess. It is impossible to tell if we are really stopping terrorist/insurgency activities, encouraging them or actually committing the acts. Our military seems like it is not working in concert with the local law enforcement or in opposition to it? Intelligence seems to be disconnected from both?
This is what Bunnypants calls "progress?"
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 08:43 PM
#286 corky, great comments!!!
#293 Jeanne, thank you for the transcript!!!
Here is the answer. Christian faith can be summed in two words, Jesus, Love. Americans must return to God and they must love their brothers and sisters. We are all a family and a community. Until we become a family and a community, America's epitaph will read "HERE LIES A DEPRAVED INDIFFERENT NATION OF COLD BLOODED KILLERS WHO FOUND DELIGHT AND JOY IN THE MURDERING OF THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS."
It gives me no delight and joy in seeing our poor people as refugees in America and I have no delight and joy in seeing the starving populations of the world. America, please return to God and please return to Love.
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 08:46 PM
Tim,
I know that at your center of gravity there is a good man.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 08:52 PM
"No Iraqis Left Me on a Roof to Die"
Katrina and Cindy Blow into Town
By Tom Engelhardt
Photos by Tam Turse
The White House, which the massed protesters marched past, was in every sense the traffic accident of this event. The crowds gridlocked there; the noise rose to a roar; the signs waved, a veritable sea of them, and they all, essentially said, "No more, not me!"
Here's just a modest sample of those that caught my eye, reflecting as they did humor, determination, and more than anything else, outrage: "Yeeha is not a foreign policy"; "Making a killing"; "Ex-Republican. Ask me why"; "Blind Faith in Bad Leadership is not Patriotism"; "Bush is a disaster!" (with the President's face in the eye of a hurricane); "He's a sick nut my Grandma says" (with a photo of an old woman in blue with halo-like rays emanating from her); "Osama bin Forgotten"; "Cindy speaks for me"; "Make levees not war"; "W's the Devil, One Degree of Separation"; "Dick Cheney Eats Kittens" (with a photo of five kittens); "Bush busy creating business for morticians worldwide"; "Liar, born liar, born-again liar"; "Dude -- There's a War Criminal in My White House!!!"; "Motivated moderates against Bush"; "Bored with Empire"; "Pro Whose Life?"; "War is Terrorism with a Bigger Budget."
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A good piece, I recommend "Toms Dispatch"
capt
PS - the trouble has never been with your politics Tim. It is the low-brow "Cindy is a whore" and "Corn is a NAMBLA founding member" and all of the other tasteless, crude, juvenile, insulting crap you have peddled and seem to continue to think of as political commentary. You need help. I will pray for you.
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 09:02 PM
Capt,
Iraq is a den of darkness. It is a twisting road of shadows. It is sudden violence and expected death. Our country brought this hell upon an innocent people. Why? There is no excuse.
I found this report by Robert Fisk. He is one of the expert reporters on the Middle East. He's not very well like by the Bush Administration. Nasty man, he tell the truth.
When nature and man conspire to expose the lies of the powerful, the truth will out.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 09:11 PM
There are links to news on protest at the Today in Iraq site. LA being one of them. Thou sands rally in L.A. against Iraq war
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 09:21 PM
He's No Warren Buffett
September 25, 2005
The Toronto Star
As an experiment in government according to business principles, the Bush administration is pretty much bankrupt
by David Olive
The legacy of the Bush administration may well be that government can no longer be entrusted to business people.
That would be a shame, given that business savants as varied as Kennedy treasury secretary Douglas Dillon and Silicon Valley legend Dave Packard served ably in Washington.
Many of the most prominent CEOs in the current administration aren't real business people at all, but faux CEOs who after a lifetime in politics cashed in on brief stints as trophy CEOs at Fortune 500 firms before returning to public life in George W. Bush's White House.
With few exceptions, those CEO stints Ѡat Halliburton Co. (Dick Cheney), rail operator CSX Corp. (John Snow), and George "dry hole" Bush's string of oil-exploration flops in Texas Ѡwere not models of exemplary corporate stewardship.
Just the same, future historians will make the connection between the most CEO-heavy administration in memory, headed by the first MBA president (Harvard, no less), and a White House of unsurpassed fiscal recklessness, flawed strategic thinking, failure to execute even on its best ideas (its unrealized goals of education reform and energy self-sufficiency, for instance), and a stubborn unwillingness to change course when conditions dictate.
With his successive rounds of tax cuts skewed to the wealthiest Americans, in tandem with a 37 per cent increase in federal expenditures and Bush's refusal to veto a single spending bill from the GOP-controlled Congress, this White House has in a short five years boosted the national debt by 12 per cent, to almost $8 trillion. America is increasingly a hostage of its foreign creditors.
In a recent study titled "The Grand Old Spending Party," the Cato Institute, a conservative Washington think tank, says that "Throughout the past 40 years, most presidents have cut or restrained lower-priority spending to make room for higher-priority spending. What is driving George W. Bush's budget bloat is a reversal of that trend."
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As I always say: No conservative would ever support Bush and his neochronic crew. The only talent among them is a strange ability to refuse reality and convince themselves the errors and mistakes they make are really success and the right thing, it is just the SCLM that make them look bad.
Reality, truth and experience demand a failure be called a failure. Sadly this misadministrations mistakes and miscalculations are never their fault.
They have to admit their lies and errors or the course in "stay the course" will always be the wrong direction. They can refuse reality but reality has its own persistence.
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
capt
Posted by: capt at September 25, 2005 09:22 PM
Tim H, you are unreliable. Whenever the good people here let their guard down and let you in as a friend you turn on them like a rabid dog. Non partisan? Really? Do you know what that means? I make that claim and receive various accusations, are you ready for that? Or will you revert to the old, rude idiot you have shown yourself to be so many times? It is fine to state your opinion, either pro bush or otherwise, but when you resort to unjust name calling and mean criticisms you will get what you deserve. Make up your mind and join in the conversation, or hang with the freepers, they appreciate that sort of hateful commentary.
Posted by: Saladin at September 25, 2005 09:43 PM
"British troops will start a major withdrawal from Iraq next May under detailed plans on military disengagement to be published next month, The Observer can reveal."
Britain to pull troops from Iraq as Blair says 'don't force me out'
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 10:19 PM
Yeah, sure....I remember, "I woke up and didn't recognize myself in the mirror."
Seriously, Dude...get help.
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 25, 2005 10:23 PM
I don't know if anybody posted from TomDispatch but it's very good coverage from the street of DC. Complete with pictures.
Tomgram: Voices from the Frontlines of Protest, Washington D.C.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 25, 2005 10:28 PM
#298
"After 8 hours on the road to take my son back today"
Back where? Please don't tell me you're divorced and share custody of your son. Someone in my family is going through that at this very moment. It pains me to be mean to someone who is struggling through such an ordeal.
"Hajji is a great and caring person"
There. You finally said something I can agree with.
Capt, could you do us a favor and periodically put your blog address in the field where we can click on it and see you blog? You'll wanna leave your email in there most of the time for those who like to chat (like the Tims). Just asking.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at September 25, 2005 10:47 PM
Please Reflect
Cornposters, please take time to reflect on Bush and the fact that he has been a total disaster. The only truth about Bush is that he is a noxious piece of turd.
Please take time to reflect on his firecracker days in Midland, Texas. He would stuff the mouths of frogs with firecrackers. From there go to his drunkenness and drug habits! From there go to his disastrous business ventures! From there reflect upon Bush and the destruction and devastation he has brought to America and our world.
You have tons and tons of data to reflect upon. The task is not an easy one but if you take the time, you will realize that all of Bush's life has been one disaster after another. Wherever he prowls is the stench that he leaves behind. It is such a putrid smell that no amount of bleach and spinning can get rid of it.
You will also realize that Bush is a clueless, meaningless, pathetic, useless, and worthless piece of feces. He has spread his feces all over our beautiful planet. His feces is in the air, land, and sea. His feces is all around us, gagging us endlessly.
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 11:45 PM
Please Reflect
Cornposters, please take time to reflect on Bush and the fact that he has been a total disaster. The only truth about Bush is that he is a noxious piece of turd.
Please take time to reflect on his firecracker days in Midland, Texas. He would stuff the mouths of frogs with firecrackers. From there go to his drunkenness and drug habits! From there go to his disastrous business ventures! From there reflect upon Bush and the destruction and devastation he has brought to America and our world.
You have tons and tons of data to reflect upon. The task is not an easy one but if you take the time, you will realize that all of Bush's life has been one disaster after another. Wherever he prowls is the stench that he leaves behind. It is such a putrid smell that no amount of bleach and spinning can get rid of it.
You will also realize that Bush is a clueless, meaningless, pathetic, useless, and worthless piece of feces. He has spread his feces all over our beautiful planet. His feces is in the air, land, and sea. His feces is all around us, gagging us endlessly.
Posted by: Gerald at September 25, 2005 11:46 PM
"The job of a citizen is to keep your mouth OPEN." Gunter Grass.
Mouths Wide Open
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 12:51 AM
"Capt, could you do us a favor and periodically put your blog address in the field where we can click on it and see you blog? "
Of course no problem.
I made the page to test stuff for the Hajji and Jill's page and do not have much on it. I just mentioned it before as place where anybody could vent or whatever. The space is free so I will never delete anything. That might make for a place to let the invective fly!
If anybody wants to post a new entry or wants a place to put up something else no problem.
If anybody wants to start their own it takes about 5 minutes and is way easy.
http://www.blogger.com/start
BTW - Still not a word about the demonstrations here or in London on the "Guardian" site.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 12:52 AM
Memorial Honors Late Sen. Paul Wellstone
Monday September 26, 2005 5:46 AM
By BRIAN BAKST
Associated Press Writer
EVELETH, Minn. (AP) - Admirers of the late Sen. Paul Wellstone paused Sunday to dedicate a six-acre memorial here, just 2,000 feet from the site where Wellstone's plane crashed in 2002 near the end of his campaign for a third term.
The site features a circular path tucked into the Iron Range woods of northeastern Minnesota that takes visitors on a narrative journey through Wellstone's life, beginning with pictures of the bushy-haired college professor who eventually won election to the U.S. Senate.
Another trail ends abruptly, looking out over a dense forest of pine, poplar and birch where Wellstone and seven others died on Oct. 25, 2002.
``It's so peaceful. It's so natural. It's just so Paul,'' said Susanne Engstrom, a retired teacher who volunteered on Wellstone's Senate campaign.
*****end of clip*****
For those who miss the guy.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 12:56 AM
Capt,
I'm going to be up in Duluth MN in late October. Maybe I'll take my niece and nephew to see the sight.
I remember being at work and seeing the news on the computer. I couldn't function for the rest of the day. His wife was a strong advocate for womens' rights and domestic abuse laws. I had worked for a place who needed a speaker for a function and I asked her if she would speak. She did. A group of us sat with her and ate lunch. One of the kindest, most beautiful people on the planet. Gone.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 01:21 AM
Capt, this was linked from your #303 to Tom's Dispatch (actually your link went back to Molly's piece, which was hella good too), but Tom's is easy to find. One of the people interviewed today already had this poem up at commondreams. *tissue warning It's a heart- tugger.
Dear America,
Dear America,
Remember me?
I was the girl next door.
Remember when I was 13, America, and rode on top of the fire engine in the Memorial Day parade? I'd won an essay contest on what it meant to be a proud American.
And it was always me, America, the cheerleader, the Girl Scout, who marched in front of the high school band . . . carrying our flag . . . the tallest . . . the proudest . . .
And remember, America, you gave me the Daughters of the American Revolution Good Citizen Award for patriotism, and I was only sixteen.
And then you sent me to war, America, along with thousands of other men and women who loved you.
It's Memorial Day, America. Do you hear the flags snapping in the wind? There's a big sale at Macy's, and there's a big parade in Washington for the veterans.
But it's not the American flag or the sound of drums I hear - I hear a helicopter coming in - I smell the burning of human flesh. It's Thomas, America, the young Black kid from Atlanta, my patient, burned by an exploding gas tank. I remember how his courage kept him alive that day, America, and I clung to his only finger and whispered over and over again how proud you were of him, America - and he died.
And Pham. He was only eight, America, and you sprayed him with napalm and his skin fell off in my hands and he screamed as I tried to comfort him.
And America, what did you do with Robbie, the young kid I sat next to on the plane to Viet Nam? His friends told me a piece of shrapnel ripped through his young heart - he was only seventeen - it was his first time away from home. What did you tell his mother and father, America?
Hold us America . . .
Hold all your children America. Allen will never hold any- one again. He left both his arms and legs back there. He left them for you, America.
America, you never told me that I'd have to put so many of your sons, the boys next door, in body bags.
You never told me . . .
America, we have sent another generation of children to see life through an M-16 and death through the darkness of a body bag.
America, my wish today, this first day of spring, is for a seed to be planted in every child's heart, a seed that produces courage to walk unarmed and refuse to hate and kill
A seed that will flower and bloom as wars and guns and hatred are buried forever.
Thank you.
Peggy Tuxen-Akers (kizzypax@maine.rr.com)
Viet Nam 1970-1971
Posted by: Alan at September 26, 2005 01:44 AM
Sorry about the linkus defeckless~!
If anybody cannot find it:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/
A regular stop for me.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 02:42 AM
Capt, #315
I did one too (no comments, though). I wasn't sure how it would work out or if I'd stick to it. So far it's been fun and easy. It keeps the snark and my favorite links all in one spot.
Alan, that's why I haven't been posting much lately.
Just click on my nom de blog below.
As Chris used to say, it's time for me to go make the donuts. Sure miss that crazy guy.
Posted by: Pandemoniac at September 26, 2005 06:28 AM
REP. McKINNEY CENSORED BY CONGRESS
I mentioned the word impeachment on the House Floor Thursday late afternoon, but I don't see it in the official Congressional Record transcript. I was chided by the Speaker that it was out of order to question the President's motives. I didn't question motives, I questioned actions: from lack of actions on Katrina to cutting the budget of safety net programs, to rewarding the rich to the detriment of all the rest of us. This transcript directly from the Congressional Record is mangled and omits that word!!!! I can't believe this.
Posted by: James Ha at September 26, 2005 09:46 AM
From: Antiwar.com
Antiwar San Francisco -- Tell Nancy Pelosi She'd Better Shape Up
Just got back from the antiwar march in San Francisco: easily 20,000 people out in the streets. I'll have more about it in my Monday column, but I just wanted to let you know about an event I found out about at the rally. "Code Pink," the antiwar group famous for mocking and harassing the War Party wherever they may be found, had the best protest signs at the march: specifically calling attention not only to the creation of permanent U.S. military bases in Iraq, but also pointing out local Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi's consistent support for Bush's war. "Pelosi, Why Do You Vote Pro-War? -- the neatly-lettered protest signs really stood out along the march route, and I quickly grabbed one and happily held it high. Finally Pelosi is being made to answer for her pro-war stance by her overwhelmingly anti-war district! I pointed out her lack of accountability in a recent column, and I'm glad to see that I'm not alone. But we're going to be doing a lot more than holding picket signs....
On Monday, September 26, at noon, there is going to be a rally at the San Francisco Federal Building, 450 Golden Gate Avenue, calling Pelosi to account for her pro-war stance. Not only that, but -- get this -- there will be a "mock trial" of Ms. Pelosi, to be held in the lobby!
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Are there ANY dems representing an opposition party anymore? I mean besides the faithful ones from the black caucus?
Pelosi AIPAC contributions
This cycle - $20,650
Career - $57,450
Israel is the only country on the planet that benefits from this murderous, illegal war.
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 10:20 AM
Pande,
See, is that way cool or what?
I see "demon" but read "Demoniac" HA!
So easy it only takes a few minutes to make.
Way TOO COOL for school.
Once made, you can change it and never lose a thing! Never costs a dime.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 10:30 AM
January 26, 1998 - The Project for the New American Century sent President Clinton a letter recommending U.S. military action to get Saddam Hussein out of power saying among other things that he's a threat to a "significant portion of the worlds supply of oil". Of the 18 PNAC members who signed the letter, 10 are now in the Bush administration.
September 2000 - One year before the attacks, the conservative advocacy group Project for the New American Century (PNAC) advocates the build up of the U.S. military, but won't think it will happen unless the U.S. experiences a major catastrophic event such as a "new Pearl Harbor". -See Killtown's Oddities Page
Posted by: James Ha at September 26, 2005 10:34 AM
James, I was just looking at Killtowns incredible timeline for 9/11. One of the best I've seen.
So many questions and lies, zero answers
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 10:40 AM
To Tim H, thank you for the e-mail, but I don't think I will allow you in for the time being, I am very reluctant to trust you given your strange behavior on this blog.
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 10:44 AM
bushco has their hands in every pocket they can get away with... what happened to the $$ that was supposed to rebuild Iraq? Bush plea for cash to rebuild Iraq raises $600. -ha- they've skoded all the billions of $$ allocated for that, and now they are soliciting donations from the public?
Posted by: James Ha at September 26, 2005 10:53 AM
James, I think the public has answered! $600 indeed.
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 10:54 AM
ya sal, isn't it pathetic that they solicited for donations at all?
Posted by: James Ha at September 26, 2005 11:16 AM
I have an idea, bush should hit halliburton up since they are guilt of the lions share of rip-offs they can probably afford a contribution.
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 11:24 AM
50,000 in L.A. and another 50,000 in S.F.
Then Sunday, I watched the Pro-War fraud that was put on. At first, I gotta say I was disappointed that C-Span seemed to be equating the first amendment rights of 300,000 organized citizens, with those of a few hundred administration mouthpieces that, after all, have no problem having their drumbeat message on the mainstream meme train that poses for a media.
Then, as I watched, admittedly with the sound turned off, I realized just how glad I was this fraud was being televised. After all, the crowd was just so, well just so much, not a crowd. I think everyone who was there got a chance to get to the microphone.
But now, the work goes on.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 26, 2005 11:28 AM
here's a photo of where the "767" struck the south tower(#2) and left only 3 small holes, and here's a close up, and here's the close up with a boeing silhouette overlay, and why the devil does it take a bunch of german's to even look at the events of 911?
Posted by: James Ha at September 26, 2005 11:35 AM
An ugly woman?
Not a thought I'd like to entertain, or even comment upon, after all, a women's looks was one of those things that it was o.k. to lie about so as to not insult...
But this come from one beautiful woman:
We Don't Exist
By Cindy Sheehan
t r u t h o u t | Perspective Sunday 25 September 2005
Last weekend, Karl Rove said that I was a clown and the anti-war movement was "non-existent." I wonder if the hundreds of thousands of people who showed up today to protest this war and George's failed policies know that they don't exist. It is also so incredible to me that Karl thinks that he can wish us away by saying we aren't real. Well, Karl and Co., we are real, we do exist and we are not going away until this illegal and immoral occupation of Iraq is over and you are sent back to the depths of whatever slimy, dark, and loathsome place you came from. I may be a clown, Karl, but you are about to be indicted. You also preside over one of the biggest three-ring, malevolent circuses of all time: the Bush administration.
The rally today was overwhelming and powerful. The reports that I was arrested today were obviously false. The peace rally was mostly very peaceful. Washington, DC was filled with energetic and proud Americans who came from all over to raise their voices in unison against the criminals who run our government and their disastrous policies that are making our nation more vulnerable to all kinds of attacks (natural and "Bush"-made disasters).
I led the march for peace alongside such venerable activists as the Reverends Al Sharpton, Bob Edgars, and Jesse Jackson Jr., and Julian Bond. Two of our Congresswomen with cojones from California, Barbara Lee and Lynn Woolsey, also led the march.
Many people told me thank you for coming. I want to tell America "Thank you!!" At the Camp Casey reunion this evening, I was so overcome with emotion and gratitude that I wanted to hug every citizen of this country. We in the Camp Casey movement are so proud and thrilled that America showed up in such great numbers.
So much happened today! I am exhausted but very content. I am again filled with a renewed sense of hope that we will get our country back and get our troops home. I was also thrilled at the number of young people who came out today. That is another great sign that the side of good is winning.
With the Reverends, we stopped in front of the White House and said a prayer. After the prayer, I said that we are light and they are darkness. Darkness can NEVER overcome the light, ever. As long as there is one spark, the darkness has lost. We will prevail, we will be victorious. The darkness has lost because our beacons of peace and truth are shining for the entire world to see. And it is a very pretty sight. Take that Karl.
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Wish I coulda been in D.C., but we had fun in L.A.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 26, 2005 11:37 AM
L.A. protest pics.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 26, 2005 11:55 AM
Robert,
Glad you were in LA. You added to the numbers.
Pande,
So now I'll be linking your site huh? I'm getting pretty good at it don't you know (a little Minnesota talk). Incidently, Colin Peterson proud signer from MN in favor of the estate tax is going to feel the pinch come election. I wonder what his reasoning was. I looked at his district. Resort (they don't walk away with huge ammounts of money and maybe some big agri farms. Maybe. I don't know.
Here's a link Resident genius, starving artist, daughter
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 11:57 AM
Robert,
I think Karl Rove should take a message from those pictures. DON'T SCREW WITH LA.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 12:02 PM
I think Cindy is one of the MOST beautiful people I have seen in a very long time.
Beauty is IN the person not on them. Should anybody love their partner any less if (God forbid) something scars or injures them? That would be silly.
I have met a few people that are considered famous for their beauty, they are very human in person and have cosmetic faults just like everybody.
IMHO
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 12:03 PM
#334
GREAT PICTURES!!!!
I saved them all!
Thanks (especially "war is not pro-life you f**k)
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 12:08 PM
Pande is a wealth of information. I found this link concerning Katrina and the estate tax. We haven't found the bottom yet folks.
Looking for a Corpse to Make a Case
"Federal troops aren't the only ones looking for bodies on the Gulf Coast. On Sept. 9, Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions called his old law professor Harold Apolinsky, co-author of Sessions' legislation repealing the federal estate tax, which was encountering sudden resistance on the Hill. Sessions had an idea to revitalize their cause, which he left on Apolinsky's voice mail: "[Arizona Sen.] Jon Kyl and I were talking about the estate tax. If we knew anybody that owned a business that lost life in the storm, that would be something we could push back with."
"If legislative ambulance chasing looks like a desperate measure, for the backers of repealing the estate tax, these are desperate times. Just three weeks ago, their long-sought goal of repeal seemed within reach, but Katrina dashed their hopes when Republican leaders put off an expected vote. After hearing from Sessions, Apolinsky, an estate tax lawyer who says his firm includes three multi-billionaires among its clients, mobilized the American Family Business Institute, a Washington-based group devoted to estate tax repeal. They reached out to members along the Gulf Coast to hunt for the dead.
"It's been hard. Only a tiny percentage of people are affected by the estate taxѩn 2001 only 534 Alabamans were subject to it. And for Hill backers of repeal, that's only part of the problem. Last year, the tax brought in $24.8 billion to the federal government. With Katrina's cost soaring, estate tax opponents need to find a way to make up the potential lost income. For now, getting repeal back on the agenda may depend on Apolinsky and his team of estate-sniffing sleuths, who are searching Internet obituaries among other places. Has he found any victims of both the hurricane and the estate tax? "Not yet," Apolinsky says. "But I'm still looking."-with reporting by Amanda Ripley/Washington
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 12:26 PM
Friday's Democracy Now covered the real looting of New Orleans. Very disturbing.
Orleans is free of crime and violence and we're going to keep it that way". There's almost a sense that free of people, the city has become this blank slate. In that context, this fantasy can be built from scratch.
So, I think that the overall vision is massive land grabs, radical gentrification, and as Jeremy's piece makes clear, the gentrification is happening with privatized military force.
because this doesn't fit the Bush Agenda for the so-called “reconstruction of New Orleans”,
"because that agenda is really treating the city as a laboratory for their so-called "Ownership Society". So, rather than subsidizing rents, what they're interested in is this bizarre Urban Homesteading Act, which would auction off federal land or lottery off federal land and people would build homes on that land.
- Naomi Klein
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 12:48 PM
The fraud with the Katrina story NEEDS TO BE WATCHED. THE BUSH CO. ARE RAPING THIS NATION AND THEY FOUND A NEW WAY TO DO IT.
And more,
Their demands are things like: suspend Medicaid's prescription drug coverage. But more than that, you know, I mentioned the thing that got me was -- I mentioned the fact that they're demanding subsidization for Big Oil for exploration that they won't pay for. In this other document where they talk about how they're going to find the money for all of this corporate welfare, they say that they should cut all programs, all federal research programs, into sustainable energy sources. So, here you have the issue that's really at the core of this disaster, which is global warming and fossil fuels. They're subsidizing big oil and cutting funding to any alternative energy source research.
AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Naomi Klein, award-winning journalist, author of the piece in this Nation magazine called, "Purging the Poor."
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 12:54 PM
Great pictures from L.A.!!!!! Great posts from about 313 to the end!!!!! Beauty is an internal work of art. Externally, women can fix themselves up with the right make-up, dress, and hairstyle. Internal beauty is shaped and molded like a fine scupture. May God bless the women who possess nurturing and sensitivity. Cindy Sheehan is one God's valiant disciples.
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 01:17 PM
Bush was talking and he said that people shouldn't drive as much. Well Mr. Feces, if you didn't fly all over the universe, you would be setting a good example. Why not introduce some bills that promote mass transit and that would save some gas. Mr. Feces, be a leader and not a smelly, lying piece of shit.
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 01:23 PM
Another Sad Day
I BLAME BUSH FOR THE DEAD!!!!!
BUSH IS PRO-WAR AND ANTI-TROOPS. I can see rejoicing in the West Wing of the White House. Bush says that war is a NOBLE CAUSE than why are his daughters at home and not in Iraq?
Casualties in Iraq lists that 2,153 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for the Bushճ evil lies and to keep the opium trade alive so the CIA and the Pentagon can have drugs flowing to pay for American terrorism in the USA and throughout the world. Police dogs, taser guns, and tear gas have been unleashed upon Americans for protesting against Bushճ policies. Bush and Cheney plan to stay in power forever. America is under martial law and a complete police state. We are no longer a nation with freedoms and rights.
YES, I BLAME BUSH FOR THE DEAD!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 01:28 PM
Blackwater Down - we are becoming a military state. What we are seeing in New Orleans is a lesson that we in America have to pay close attention to. These military people are dangerous. They are killing with impunity.
Blackwater Down.
Reconstruction is going to the Halliburtons all over the world. They control how the locations develop. Cultures are being destroyed for a rich white man's world.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 01:30 PM
I cannot take credit for the pictures...I just linked to them from Indymedia....
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 26, 2005 01:32 PM
I know that the peace movement on September 24 was a success but we must realize that the air command center in Colorado Springs is developing for Bush a plan to beat down patriotic Americans who disagree with Mr. Feces. More America blood will flow on American streets than the previous four centuries. To be born in America and if you love and show mercy, you will be killed. That is the project for the 21st American century.
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 01:40 PM
America'S Epitaph
HERE LIES A DREPRAVED INDIFFERENT NATION OF COLD BLOODED KILLERS WHO FOUND DELIGHT AND JOY IN THE MURDERING OF THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 01:48 PM
I heard this morning that Paul Craig Roberts, a conservative writer for the Wall Street Journal, has been calling for Bush's impeachment for sometime.
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 01:51 PM
Sheehan Arrested
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 02:10 PM
Two Georges
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 02:16 PM
Hurrican Cindy
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 02:23 PM
SEX IS BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE; BUSH IS SCREWING US ALL.
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 02:29 PM
Our government is lost
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 02:32 PM
Delay, Hannity, and Bush deman withdrawal
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 02:39 PM
US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax
10:00 24 September 2005
NewScientist.com news service
David Hambling
THE US military wants to buy large quantities of anthrax, in a controversial move that is likely to raise questions over its commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weapons.
A series of contracts have been uncovered that relate to the US army's Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. They ask companies to tender for the production of bulk quantities of a non-virulent strain of anthrax, and for equipment to produce significant volumes of other biological agents.
Issued earlier this year, the contracts were discovered by Edward Hammond, director of the Sunshine Project, a US-German organisation that campaigns against the use of biological and chemical weapons.
One "biological services" contract specifies: "The company must have the ability and be willing to grow Bacillus anthracis Sterne strain at 1500-litre quantities." Other contracts are for fermentation equipment for producing 3000-litre batches of an unspecified biological agent, and sheep carcasses to test the efficiency of an incinerator for the disposal of infected livestock.
Major concern
Although the Sterne strain is not thought to be harmful to humans and is used for vaccination, the contracts have caused major concern.
"It raises a serious question over how the US is going to demonstrate its compliance with obligations under the Biological Weapons Convention if it brings these tanks online," says Alan Pearson, programme director for biological and chemical weapons at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation in Washington DC. "If one can grow the Sterne strain in these units, one could also grow the Ames strain, which is quite lethal."
The US renounced biological weapons in 1969, but small quantities of lethal anthrax were still being produced at Dugway as recently as 1998.
*****end of clip*****
I am thinking I need to take a trip to Mexico and buy a case or two of Cipro.
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 02:47 PM
Heart of Darkness
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 02:50 PM
Hands off
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 02:55 PM
The Antiwar Majority
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 02:59 PM
No Child Left Alive
Parents who support wars have a death wish for your children and their children. Why are so many parents cold blooded killers?
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 03:05 PM
Cindy Sheehan arrested while the crowd chants, "the whole world is watching."
Well, the purpose of civil disobedience is to get arrested, after all. Can't blame the cops for that one.
But, in a larger sense, one of the reasons civil disobedeince becomes a needed tool, is the avoidance of the media to cover the protests, and then to equate the 300,000 people in the streets in D.C. and millions worldwide with the pro-admin flackies that showed up in such paltrey numbers on Sunday.
The whole world wasn't watching on Saturday, certainly not on CNN, FUX, etc...
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at September 26, 2005 03:09 PM
We knew that chemical weapons were used in Fallujah that micki informed us was happening and now capt says that biological weapons are being bought in large quantities. America and her citizens are opening a pandora's box.
The Project for a Next American Century will have its way and 6 billion people will be exterminated on planet, Earth. the PNAC says that our planet can only sustain 500 million people.
Remember Cornposters, Bush is the pro-life ruler.
Don't you feel glorified by his pro-life policies. Remember Bush is America's new deity.
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 03:18 PM
Hi Peeps!!
Hey ALAN, are you o.k. down in the H-Town area? I hope you & yours are. My sister & her kids came up here to stay with me, the sis that lives off Cullen & Selinsky Rd. My son is in Dallas at my bro's crib.
I watched Democracy Now this morning to see the protest in D.C. and was glad to see the folks who are against the war, and glad to see an athlete, Etan Thomas of the Washington Wizards basketball team speak out ,too. Where are the others?
SALADIN: Thanks Hon' for Kissinger's Greatest Hits last week. Luv ya'! No doubt, he's the standard for all rat bastards. The primary author of NSSM-Memorandum 200 ,which calls for depopulation in Third World countries in the 70's. One b#t&h-made Zionist c$^ksucka, for real!
PANDE,ALAN,GOOB,RIFF: Did any of you see Gov."Goodhair" Perry on his photo-ops? A pimp-slap is long overdue.
Good News! My boo/girlfriend/baby has the 'net on her computer now, so I can post a lil' more. Maybe she'll get involved now,it's gon' be hard!
HOLLA BACK!!!
Posted by: bro.tex at September 26, 2005 03:39 PM
Bro.tex,
Glad to hear all is well!
Um.. "One b#t&h-made Zionist c$^ksucka, for real!"
No beating around the bush, just tell it like it is!
I LOVE it!
capt
PS - Anybody hear from Riff? He is in TX too?
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 04:01 PM
bro tex, good to hear from you. Looking forward to more posting from you. Tell your girl we need more ladies on this blog! And you're right, kissinger is the epitome of evil, zionist psychos!
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 04:07 PM
bro tex, good to hear from you. Looking forward to more posting from you. Tell your girl we need more ladies on this blog! And you're right, kissinger is the epitome of evil, zionist psychos!
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 04:07 PM
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ John F. Kennedy (1917 - 1963), In a speech at the White House, 1962
"The first duty of a revolutionary is to get away with it." ~ Abbie Hoffman (1936 - 1989)
"Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime." ~ Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC)
"Revolution is not a onetime event." ~ Audre Lorde
From Quotationspage.com
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 04:14 PM
Yo CAPT, I Haven't heard from RIFF,either. He's from the D/FW area, too.
Posted by: bro.tex at September 26, 2005 04:15 PM
Joke from a reader to WRH
Rumsfeld is reporting to the Presidents' Cabinet. He says "3 Brazilian soldiers were killed today in Iraq"
The President says "Oh, my God" as he buries his head in his hands.
The entire Cabinet is stunned. Usually George W. Bush shows no reaction whatsoever to these reports.
Just then Bush looks up and says "How many is a brazilian?"
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HAHAHAHA!!
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 04:24 PM
HA! and HA!
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 04:32 PM
"...the whole world wasn't watching THIS weekend!"
...tell me about it. When I finally got downtown, Greenville, there were like, a dozen people tops, milling about, no real organization etc. I'm told the "usual suspects" who normally put the local stuff together all took the $45 bus to D.C. Good on THEM! (shame on ME)
Anywhoo...we moved the whole shebang to Barleys where much info was traded, many promises were made for future events and many, many pilsners and ales were quaffed.
Should have a few new posters from 'round these parts, before long.
Looks like the storm Troopers had "hands off" orders in LA on Saturday, Robert. Good.
Hats off to Seattle, too! Maybe someday I'll live in civilization again. Got word from a couple of Bean-Towners that they got screwd by a 3+ hour delay of Amtrack....WTF?!!!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 26, 2005 05:05 PM
Pande says... "Alan, that's why I haven't been posting much lately."
ahhhh, I seeeee why it's weekend-only, if then.
When I see your posts, I know it's like a 2-hour read, but all interesting and well worth it. I pegged your site for when I catch up here. Don't be a stranger now, ya hear?
First time online today and I see right off that Cindy Sheehan has gotten arrested! Ooooohhh, I bet they'll soon wish they didn't do that!! I'ma read previous posts to catch up, and I hope there's some petitions to sign, or something!
Posted by: Alan at September 26, 2005 05:06 PM
Robert #361, that proves, beyond the shadow of a doubt, what that damn librul media is up to! All they do is bash bush all day long.
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 05:13 PM
Entire 101st Airborne
Deploying To Iraq
News Channel 5.com
9-26-5
The 101st Airborne Division is once again answering the call to serve in Iraq.
Around 20,000 soldiers got their final briefing Friday afternoon at Ft. Campbell. It's been two years since the division was last deployed to Iraq.
Soldiers will board planes and be heading off Friday to do numerous duties, including helping train Iraqi law enforcement. Families took the afternoon to say goodbye.
This is just the 5th time in the history of the 101st that the entire division has been deployed all at once. The soldiers will be gone a year.
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Gone to help train Iraqi police? Yeh, right! WTF is going on now?
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 05:17 PM
p.s. I got flipped off and cut off on I-26N on my way to the Tack Shop up in Landrum, SC by some asshole who had about "Bush/Cheney'04" stickers on the back of his pickup. He seemed to take umbrage at my "Impeach Bush" and other stickers as he forced me to swerve about halfway into the break-down lane.
'bout 10 mileslater...there he was with a County Mountie Code 3-ing behind him down the shoulder. I slowed down so Trudy, the most beautiful dog in the world, could witness the "instant karma". I'm still laughing! That's gonna cost the bastard 'bout $3bill and 3 points! BWAHAHAHAH!
___________
Instant Karma's gonna get you,
Gonna knock you right on the head,
You better get yourself together,
Pretty soon you're gonna be dead,
What in the world you thinking of,
Laughing in the face of love,
What on earth you tryin' to do,
It's up to you, yeah you.
Instant Karma's gonna get you,
Gonna look you right in the face,
Better get yourself together darlin',
Join the human race,
How in the world you gonna see,
Laughin' at fools like me,
Who on earth d'you think you are,
A super star,
Well, right you are.
Well we all shine on,
Like the moon and the stars and the sun,
Well we all shine on,
Ev'ryone come on.
Instant Karma's gonna get you,
Gonna knock you off your feet,
Better recognize your brothers,
Ev'ryone you meet,
Why in the world are we here,
Surely not to live in pain and fear,
Why on earth are you there,
When you're ev'rywhere,
Come and get your share.
Well we all shine on,
Like the moon and the stars and the sun,
Yeah we all shine on,
Come on and on and on on on,
Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah-.
-J.Lennon
Shine on, you crazy cornbloggers!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 26, 2005 05:20 PM
Hajji, I had the very same thing happen to me on my way to L.A. Psycho in a huge 4x4, driving like an idiot, doing about 90 on US 395, this alone is a bad idea with the local CHP constantly lurking, nearly drove me off the road and into the ditch when he tried to pass and got cut off. A few miles ahead the CHP nabbed him! Ya gotta love Karma.
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 05:24 PM
Love that karma!
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 05:25 PM
I was gonna say "Ya gotta" love that karma too!
Damn, Saladin, we are on the same page more than my biological sisters! HA!
That always makes me all happy~!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 05:28 PM
Hello Capt, bro-tex and everyone else. I have been crazy busy at work so I've not been able to post. I took my family away last weekend visiting the folks in Taos and thinking I'd come back to blown off shingles and tree limbs all over. But nothing at all happened at my house out
in the North burbs of DFW; not even a drop of rain.
I hope Frist gets nailed by the SEC for his so called "blind trust", but its in the hands of another worthless Bush crony at the top. I guess I should not be suprised that he innocently divined the need to sell his health care stock from that blind trust. After all, he was able to diagnose Terry Schiavo from a short video tape!
I'll be back in force when work eases up a bit.
Cheers
Posted by: Riff at September 26, 2005 05:38 PM
Saladin,
Spc.Spanky's last e-mail sez they've been told January 7th is the day for the 1st Armored to "Mount Up" for the "sandbox" again.
I'm holding my breath that that doesn't change. Grant's planning on being home, again, this Christmas...
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 26, 2005 05:38 PM
The people creating terror are the politicians
From down-under
It's just as well the Herald was wrapped in a celebration cover of the Swans' win or Labor's latest contribution to the anti-terrorism laws discussion would have been glaring from the front page ("ALP terrorism laws give police free hand", September 26).
If there was ever a time that we needed a strong condemnation of the erosion of civil liberties, it's now. We have a Coalition Government that at every turn is limiting our freedom. Yet we have a Labor Opposition that not only agrees with the Government but offers even more restrictive measures. This latest contribution from Labor is not only offensive, but almost as daft as its suggestion that you grab a mate and a helicopter to pluck Australian nationals from stricken regions (such as New Orleans).
Labor deserves a big zero for its efforts to provide credible opposition. Meanwhile, Coalition members must be shaking their collective heads in wonder as they mutter, like Basil Fawlty, "I think I got away with it".
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It is not just happening here. That is very bad news. If the major efforts to take our civil liberties is a concentrated and concerted effort from the power that be the "new world order" is the nightmare so many have imagined and written about. Of course those that write about the issue are dismissed as "conspiracy theorists" that is the natural reaction by those too ignorant or involved to see the big picture.
capt
Thanks for checking in Riff! Glad you and yours are fine!
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 05:42 PM
Riff,
"...his intention was to eliminate ANY appearance of "conflict of interest"!" - Frist's lawyer.
"Coincidences don't just "happen"". -Homer J. Simpson
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 26, 2005 05:44 PM
Bro-Tex said..."Hey ALAN, are you o.k. down in the H-Town area? I hope you & yours are."
Yeah man, we are fine. Some limbs and debris in the yard, that's about it. Thanks for asking. Has your family came back yet, and how'd they do in the traffic?? That sucked!
You have access to a home computer now!! We best be seeing posts more often!! Well ya know I went to Thomas Jr. High and Sterling H/S, so I know exactly where your family stays! It's not that far from Scooter's either, so I'ma buy you a beer next time you get down this way.
*burp*
Posted by: Alan at September 26, 2005 05:44 PM
Hajji @ 282. Did the lawyer really say that!? What a classic. First must have told him "The most important thing is to structure this so I don't get caught."
Over and out, folks.
Posted by: Riff at September 26, 2005 05:50 PM
Most corrupt members of Congress
Surprise, surprise Santorum is on the list!
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 05:52 PM
Last Weekend Karl Rove Said I Was a Clown
by Cindy Sheehan
Last weekend, Karl Rove said that I was a clown and the antiwar movement was "non-existent." I wonder if the hundreds of thousands of people who showed up today to protest this war and George's failed policies know that they don't exist. It is also so incredible to me that Karl thinks that he can wish us away by saying we aren't real. Well, Karl and Co., we are real, we do exist and we are not going away until this illegal and immoral occupation of Iraq is over and you are sent back to the depths of whatever slimy, dark, and loathsome place you came from. I may be a clown Karl, but you are about to be indicted. You also preside over one of the biggest three ring, malevolent circuses of all time: the Bush administration.
The rally today was overwhelming and powerful. The reports that I was arrested today were obviously false. The peace rally was mostly very peaceful. Washington, DC was filled with energetic and proud Americans who came from all over to raise their voices in unison against the criminals who run our government and their disastrous policies that are making our nation more vulnerable to all kinds of attacks (natural and "Bush" made disasters).
I led the march for peace alongside such venerable activists as the Reverends Al Sharpton, Bob Edgars, and Jesse Jackson, Jr., and Julian Bond. Two of our Congresswomen with cojones from California: Barbara Lee and Lynn Woolsey also led the march.
Many people told me thank you for coming. I want to tell America "thank you!!" At the Camp Casey reunion this evening, I was so overcome with emotion and gratitude that I wanted to hug every citizen of this country. We in the Camp Casey movement are so proud and thrilled that America showed up in such great numbers.
So much happened today! I am exhausted but very content. I am again filled with a renewed sense of hope that we will get our country back and get our troops home. I was also thrilled at the number of young people who came out today. That is another great sign that the side of good is winning.
With the Reverends, we stopped in front of the White House and said a prayer. After the prayer, I said that we are light and they are darkness. Darkness can NEVER overcome the light, ever. As long as there is one spark, the darkness has lost. We will prevail, we will be victorious. The darkness has lost because our beacons of peace and truth are shining for the entire world to see. And it is a very pretty sight. Take that Karl.
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I have to say ANYBODY that has the courage to speak truth to power is beautiful in so many ways words cannot describe. Beacon of light and so much more.
Cindy ROCKS in my book!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 05:52 PM
"Since when do you have to agree with people to defend them from injustice?": Lillian Hellman - (1905-1984) American playwright and memoirist
Thanks ICH newsletter
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 05:59 PM
I know I've posted to this song before, but it was on WNCW 88.7 today during my drive, so I stopped and bought "Paradise Hotel" by Eliza Gilyson today...
Man Of God
the cowboy came from out of the west
with his snakeskin boots and his bulletproof vest
gang of goons and his big war chest
fortunate sone he was doubly blessed
corporate cronies and the chiefs of staff
bowing to the image of the golden calf
startin up wars in the noame of god's son
gonna blow us all the way to kingdom come
man of god, man of god
that ain't the teachings of a man of god
man of god, man of god
that ain't the preachings of a man of god
coalition of the fearful and the judgemental
patricians, politicians,and the fundamentalist
you never have to tell them how the money's spent
you never have to tell them where their freedom went
homophobes in the high command
waithin' for the ratpur like it's disneyland
hide all the bodies from out of view
channel all the treasure to the chosen few
man of god, man of god...
if I could I surely would
stand on the rock where moses stood
look out people now we're gonna get fleeced
by a wolf masquerading as a man of peace
jesus said blessed are the meek
jesus said you gotta turn the other cheek
jesus said help the poor and the weak
if he lived today, he'd be a liberal freak
all the money changers'd be out on the street
weepin' and wailin' and gnashin' their teeth
me I'm waiting on the reckoning day
whe the whole world gonna rise up and say
man of god, man of god...
That ain't the teachings of a man of god......
-Eliza Gilkyson
Please forward your own favorite songs of protest to me. Maybe that's the website I'll build...
gotta do something, gotta say something!
-T
Posted by: Hajji at September 26, 2005 06:00 PM
Here's a view from the chopper.
Protest in DC
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 06:04 PM
Story on Cindy Sheehan's arrest and D.C. rally on "Newshour" tonight.
Posted by: Hajji at September 26, 2005 06:07 PM
Murder
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 06:15 PM
Thanks to Micki and Robert for your protest reports. Loved the pix, Robert.
Posted by: Andrea at September 26, 2005 06:18 PM
My favorite protest song?
Well its 1-2-3 what are we fight for!
(very pedestrian taste)
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 06:25 PM
Favorite protest and social conscience song is One Tin Soldier Rides Away
Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend
Do it in the name of freedom, you can justify it in the end
There won't be any trumpets blowing come the judgement day
On the bloody morning after one tin soldier rides away
That's just the chorus.
Posted by: Andrea at September 26, 2005 06:46 PM
Antiwar.com Quotes
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. Rumsfeld
Is Rummie a first class a-hole or what? Gerald
Our children are not born to hate; they are raise to hate. della Perutta
The hatred is so deep and widespread that America is truly a doomed nation. Gerald
Bush cannot be blamed for the acts of Mother Nature but he can be blamed for putting unqualified beasts in key positions of government. Bush's misadministration has the most positions of cronyism filled than any other administration in the history of the USA. Gerald
Iraq is a wrong and immoral war started by a wrong and immoral emperor. Gerald
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 06:55 PM
I want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace. Bush, the younger
Bush, the younger, is a true a-hole. Gerald
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 07:05 PM
For all of you who are concerned about how Brownie is doing, he just got hired by FEMA as a consultant.
CBS News says Michael Brown rehired as FEMA consultant.
I don't know. I feel so much safer, don't you?
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 07:15 PM
I want you to know that, when we are talking about war, we are really talking about the murder of our brothers and sisters. Gerald
War serves no coomon good for humanity. Gerald
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 07:18 PM
So it seems that Pat Tillman hated the bush administration and felt the Iraq war was "F---ing illegal. How soon before the rove machinery gears up to discredit either him, or this report?
Posted by: gohokies at September 26, 2005 07:22 PM
Oops. Link here....
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/09/25/MNGD7ETMNM1.DTL
Posted by: gohokies at September 26, 2005 07:23 PM
This is not a peace song, but a translation of the Lord's Prayer, directly from the Aramaic, the original language of Jesus/Jeshua ben Joseph. I feel it is much closer to what Christ taught than what is in most versions of the Bible.
Reside in this beautiful message of Peace.
The Mystical Lords Prayer
This version of the Lords Prayer was translated by Jon Marc Hammer(Jayem) and is based on a translation of the original prayer in Aramaic as taught by Jeshua. A CD containing this prayer in both Aramaic and English (along with a detailed explanation of the prayer and how to pronounce it in Aramaic) is available from the Way of the Heart website (www.wayoftheheart.net).
Father-Mother of the Cosmos,
Shimmering Light of All.
Focus your light within us as we breathe your Holy Breath.
Enter the sanctuary of our hearts,
Uniting within us the sacred rays of your Power and Beauty.
Let your hearts desire unite heaven and earth through our sacred union.
Help us fulfill what lies within the circle of our lives today.
Forgive our secret fears as we freely choose to forgive the secret fears of others.
Let us not enter forgetfulness, tempted by false appearances.
For from your astonishing Fire comes the Eternal Song which sanctifies all,
Renewed eternally in our lives, and throughout Creation.
We seal these words in our hearts, committed in trust and faith.
Amen.
St. John
Posted by: St. John at September 26, 2005 07:49 PM
Andrea,
The song from "Billy Jack" - great pick!
capt
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 07:50 PM
I think it's great that Cheney's aneurisms were removed, one behind each knee.
How do we get the two aneurisms that threaten America removed, Cheney and Bush?
A great weekend on the blog. A great weekend in America.
Bush sure is working hard for the polls.
Saladin, Capt, Robert Schwartz, Jeanne, Gerald, Haaji, even Buffalojoe - you guys are all in a great mood. Reminds me of the Dogs Philosophy.
A young pup followed his sire down the street one day to learn the Dogs Philosophy. First the kicked over some trash cans and scavenged for some scraps and bones. Then they came upon some bitches and the young pup grew up real fast. Finally they came upon a fire hydrant. "This my son is the meaning of life, the Dogs Philosophy. If you can't eat it, or screw it, piss on it!
For whatever rights they take away from us, and no matter how condemned our freedoms become, it's great to know there are so many out there that share the vision of America. Take that away from us, and piss on you too.
Posted by: geof01 at September 26, 2005 07:54 PM
They asked Bush what he thought about Roe vs Wade.
"They should get outta New Orleans any way they can."
Posted by: geof01 at September 26, 2005 07:57 PM
Death
Death is not a tragedy because we are all going to die. The tragedy in dying is that a personճ true potential will never be known. Here are two examples.
Pat Tillman, a football player, was killed in Afghanistan for what? As Pat Tillman stated the war in Iraq was illegal. We will never know the potential good he would have given the world with his winning spirit.
Casey Sheehan was killed in Iraq and his human potential was snuffed out early in life. Growing up he served in the Youth Ministry. He volunteered to serve in the military but he had hoped to be an assistant to the army chaplain because at the end of his service Casey would enter the seminary to be a priest. We will never know the potential good he would have accomplished as a priest and the numerous souls he may have saved.
War does not resolve problems; it only creates more problems. I have given you two examples of human potential wasted in a wrong and immoral war. My God, my God when will the madness of this wrong and immoral war end? When will Americans return to You and Your love and mercy and from Your love and mercy be prime examples to share love and mercy with all their brothers and sisters in the world?
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 08:13 PM
Death
Death is not a tragedy because we are all going to die. The tragedy in dying is that a personճ true potential will never be known. Here are two examples.
Pat Tillman, a football player, was killed in Afghanistan for what? As Pat Tillman stated the war in Iraq was illegal. We will never know the potential good he would have given the world with his winning spirit.
Casey Sheehan was killed in Iraq and his human potential was snuffed out early in life. Growing up he served in the Youth Ministry. He volunteered to serve in the military but he had hoped to be an assistant to the army chaplain because at the end of his service Casey would enter the seminary to be a priest. We will never know the potential good he would have accomplished as a priest and the numerous souls he may have saved.
War does not resolve problems; it only creates more problems. I have given you two examples of human potential wasted in a wrong and immoral war. My God, my God when will the madness of this wrong and immoral war end? When will Americans return to You and Your love and mercy and from Your love and mercy be prime examples to share love and mercy with all their brothers and sisters in the world?
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 08:15 PM
Gerald, so totally true - we are all going to die. There is no shame.
There is shame in how we live and how we limit the light in others.
Some have sucked up so much light, they are doomed to eternal darkness.
Posted by: geof01 at September 26, 2005 08:18 PM
Bunny-blackhole-pants!
Posted by: capt at September 26, 2005 08:33 PM
To be sung to the tune of, "Old Suzannah"
Cindy Sheehan, you spit upon your son
You went against his wishes, his requests you honored none
Cindy Sheehan, you liberal Whacky Lune
We hope that you get cancer, and we hope you get it soon.
Ohhhh youuu turned into a traitor of the good old USA
We hope you have a heart attack, that happens right away
Youղe a stupid fucken maniac, thats what we have to say
We know that youղe not grieving cause youնe made his brave death pay.
Cindy Sheehan you rotten sleazy bitch
Youղe glad your son is dead and gone, cause you want to be rich.
Posted by: Sammy at September 26, 2005 09:53 PM
For all the perverted repugnants who spew upon in their demented, deranged, and depraved self-centered impotence.
Pat Tillman, a football player, was killed in Afghanistan for what? As Pat Tillman stated the war in Iraq was illegal. We will never know the potential good he would have given the world with his winning spirit.
Casey Sheehan was killed in Iraq and his human potential was snuffed out early in life. Growing up he served in the Youth Ministry. He volunteered to serve in the military but he had hoped to be an assistant to the army chaplain because at the end of his service Casey would enter the seminary to be a priest. We will never know the potential good he would have accomplished as a priest and the numerous souls he may have saved.
War does not resolve problems; it only creates more problems. I have given you two examples of human potential wasted in a wrong and immoral war. My God, my God when will the madness of this wrong and immoral war end? When will Americans return to You and Your love and mercy and from Your love and mercy be prime examples to share love and mercy with all their brothers and sisters in the world?
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 11:33 PM
Bush and his Cristian Blood Cult
Any one who follows Bush is a true wacko and a psycho.
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 11:38 PM
Bush and his Cristian Blood Cult
Any one who follows Bush is a true wacko and a psycho.
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 11:39 PM
Cindy Sheehan won didn't she Gerald? The witch is melting, melting, melting. Sammy's little tune is a swan song.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 11:42 PM
The word is CHRISTIAN. In Bush's case he is a kkkchristian.
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 11:49 PM
Gerald, these creatures are grasping at straws, as the desperate will do. They have nothing left, and to acknowledge their hateful rhetoric is to lend credence to the vile, war mongering that is prevalent among the neo-cons. Blood is their food and death is their glory. Ignoring them is the only just punishment, they deserve nothing more. Hypocrites and traitors to the country, they have sold their souls and have forgotten what our country stands for, they are the minority now.
Posted by: Saladin at September 26, 2005 11:54 PM
Evolution Lawsuit Opens in Pennsylvania
"Intelligent design is not science, has no support from any major American scientific organization and does not belong in a public school science classroom, a prominent biologist testified on the opening day of the nation's first legal battle over whether it is permissible to teach the fledgling "design" theory as an alternative to evolution.
"To my knowledge, every single scientific society that has taken a position on this issue has taken a position against intelligent design and in favor of evolution," said the biologist, Kenneth R. Miller, a professor at Brown University and the co-author of the widely used high school textbook "Biology."
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Again I refer you to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
WWFSMD
Posted by: Jeanne at September 26, 2005 11:57 PM
Ah Sammy, you pathetic little fuck. Cindy Sheehan has already left a bigger mark on this world that you could ever dream of leaving.
When you're dead and gone, the only sign that you ever existed will be a glistening little slug-trail of hatred that will wash away with the first rain. And no one will even notice. Sweet dreams.
Posted by: Drewp at September 26, 2005 11:58 PM
#413 Jeanne, in Cindy Sheehan's case the process has heart and she will win all the time. What concerns the repugs that one person can make a difference. It seems that more and more one persons are being counted. My wife said to me that we may not live long enough to see the change but as long as I can die knowing that the process for change has started, I can feel good and hopefully I will meet a merciful Creator.
Posted by: Gerald at September 26, 2005 11:59 PM
#415 Saladin, you have given us a powerful statement of the truth.
#417 Drewp, Cindy has left her mark on our country.
One person can make a difference. Take a look at Bush and realize how he has destroyed any good and decency in America. Is he the antichrist? If he is not, then he is surely the antichrist's disciple.
Posted by: Gerald at September 27, 2005 12:08 AM
Civil war in Iraq. Thank you, Bush, you weasel.
Undeclared Civil War In Iraq
Posted by: Jeanne at September 27, 2005 12:14 AM
Mad Wars
Bush's mark on the world continues to be murders and war crimes. Cindy's mark on the world has heart.
Posted by: Gerald at September 27, 2005 12:16 AM
I changed my mind. Bush is a wart on a weasel.
Katrina relief contracts come under investigation
Congressman Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, the most senior Democrat on the house homeland security committee, told the newspaper that Fema and other federal agencies were delivering too much of the work to corporations with political connections instead of local companies. "There is just more of the good old-boy system taking care of its political allies," Mr Thompson said. "Fema and others have put out these contracts in such a haphazard manner, I don't know how they can come up with anything that is accountable to the taxpayer."
Posted by: Jeanne at September 27, 2005 12:21 AM
Here's a day brightener.
O'Reilly on thin air in Denver
Imagine that, Denver think Bill O'Reilly is full of it.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 27, 2005 12:34 AM
#418
DANCE ON THEIR GRAVES, GERALD. DO A JIG.
Posted by: Jeanne at September 27, 2005 12:37 AM
She borders the pavement
Flanks avenues
Parades pass white glove attended by
My mother the war
She'll raise a shaft
Lift a banner
Toss a rose
My mother the war
She's made every effort
To salvage the few
Bought fourteen liberty bonds
My mother the war
Mother the war
She knows every neighbor
Chats at their doors
Compare econosize electric appliances
My mother the war
Share tea and a seat
By my cradle with
My mother the war
Mother the war
Caressing the globe
Touch on his isle
She wrings hands in pensive waiting
My mother the war
Haunts her doorway
Begs her postman
Is there word for
My mother the war
Momentos of distant vigil
Three years each tour
"hands of god enfold him" prayed
My mother the war
Mother the war
In bitter defiance
She's spitting the corps
She's wet a brood short league for combat
My mother the war
Well acquainted with sorrow
Left millions in grief
My mother the war
Fold
Laced
Carrion
Blood
Soaked
Robes
Mother the war
10000 Maniacs - My Mother The War
Posted by: capt at September 27, 2005 12:37 AM
#423 Jeanne, who in their right mind would listen to O'Liely, Pus Gut Limbaugh, and Preacher Hannity?
Posted by: Gerald at September 27, 2005 12:03 PM
Another Sad Day
I BLAME BUSH FOR THE DEAD!!!!!
BUSH IS PRO-WAR AND ANTI-TROOPS. I can see rejoicing in the West Wing of the White House. Bush says that war is a NOBLE CAUSE than why are his daughters at home and not in Iraq?
Casualties in Iraq lists that 2,155 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for the Bushճ evil lies and to keep the opium trade alive so the CIA and the Pentagon can have drugs flowing to pay for American terrorism in the USA and throughout the world. Police dogs, taser guns, and tear gas have been unleashed upon Americans for protesting against Bushճ evil policies. Bush and Cheney plan to stay in power forever. America is under martial law and a complete police state. We are no longer a nation with freedoms and rights.
YES, I BLAME BUSH FOR THE DEAD!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at September 27, 2005 12:08 PM
Another Sad Day
I BLAME BUSH FOR THE DEAD!!!!!
BUSH IS PRO-WAR AND ANTI-TROOPS. I can see rejoicing in the West Wing of the White House. Bush says that war is a NOBLE CAUSE than why are his daughters at home and not in Iraq?
Casualties in Iraq lists that 2,155 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for the Bushճ evil lies and to keep the opium trade alive so the CIA and the Pentagon can have drugs flowing to pay for American terrorism in the USA and throughout the world. Police dogs, taser guns, and tear gas have been unleashed upon Americans for protesting against Bushճ evil policies. Bush and Cheney plan to stay in power forever. America is under martial law and a complete police state. We are no longer a nation with freedoms and rights.
YES, I BLAME BUSH FOR THE DEAD!!!!!
Posted by: Gerald at September 27, 2005 12:09 PM