Mr. David Corn,

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised"

No doubt?

The guy will believe anything, hell I bet he believes there is no doubt he is the best president in history, no doubt.

Since he KNEW it was not true (see "Dead Wrong") that would make the invasion of Iraq not just a bold faced lie and unjustified but it also makes Bush a treasonous SOB.

Can we impeach yet?

Thanks again

Kirk

But Americans can be excused for taking Bush at his word.

Not to criticize you David, but can you explain that statement. Frankly I find it baffling, do you mean we could be excused for taking Bush at his word at the time or in general. My observation would be that Bush's words and
the substance of his actions usually have little in common.

I'm not going to suggest he doesn't tell the truth, but I admit to not having the patience to catch him at it.

No Capt, this is where you sre wrong. Bush believed the intelligence that was GIVEN TO HIM from the Clinton administration, Russia, Egypt, Jordan. Britain and Australia.

I saw Dead Wrong, which was totally one-sided. They only mention that Britain was the only country other than the US with intelligence indicating Iraq had WMDs. That is a LIE! Many other countries had intelligence indicating Iraq had WMDs.

As Al Gore told us in 2002:

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

I guess President Gore was lying too then right Capt?

Clinton defends successor's push for war
Says Bush 'couldn't responsibly ignore' chance Iraq had WMDs
Wednesday, June 23, 2004 Posted: 7:55 AM EDT (1155 GMT)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

(CNN) -- Former President Clinton has revealed that he continues to support President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq but chastised the administration over the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison.

"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over," Clinton said in a Time magazine interview that will hit newsstands Monday, a day before the publication of his book "My Life."

Clinton, who was interviewed Thursday, said he did not believe that Bush went to war in Iraq over oil or for imperialist reasons but out of a genuine belief that large quantities of weapons of mass destruction remained unaccounted for.

Noting that Bush had to be "reeling" in the wake of the attacks of September 11, 2001, Clinton said Bush's first priority was to keep al Qaeda and other terrorist networks from obtaining "chemical and biological weapons or small amounts of fissile material."

"That's why I supported the Iraq thing. There was a lot of stuff unaccounted for," Clinton said in reference to Iraq and the fact that U.N. weapons inspectors left the country in 1998.

"So I thought the president had an absolute responsibility to go to the U.N. and say, 'Look, guys, after 9/11, you have got to demand that Saddam Hussein lets us finish the inspection process.' You couldn't responsibly ignore [the possibility that] a tyrant had these stocks," Clinton said.

Pressed on whether the Iraq war was worth the cost to the United States, Clinton said he would not have undertaken the war until after U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix "finished his job."

Weapons inspectors led by Blix scoured Iraq for three and a half months before the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003 but left after President Bush issued an ultimatum to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to leave the country.

"I want it to have been worth it, even though I didn't agree with the timing of the attack," Clinton said.

Clinton blamed the Abu Ghraib prison abuses on poorly trained National Guard personnel and higher-ups in the Bush administration.

The former president said he was not surprised by the abuses committed by U.S. forces at Abu Ghraib but that he was surprised by their extent.

"There is no excuse for that," Clinton said.

Clinton blamed the abuses on the higher echelons of the Bush administration.

"The more we learn about it, the more it seems that some people fairly high up, at least, thought that this was the way it ought to be done," he said.

Implying that the United States should lead by example, Clinton said of the abuses, "No. 1, we can't pull stunts like that, and No. 2, when we do, whoever is responsible has to pay."

What should be perfectly clear to most Americans is that bush is not a leader. He is basically a spoiled child. He fuctions as a spoiled child. His tirades are similar to a two old's temper tantrums. What is amazing that a two year old child is also a mass murderer and a war criminal.

Gerald, is FDR a murderer too, since he took America to war and thousands and thousands of soldiers died??

suck up the kool aide boys the stand is open. Tripe and more tripe from a reich wing bush bot, again, well whack a troll is open and this time it is free step up grab a whacker and give it a go.

This is great: HOAX!

This was my favorite line, The reasons behind the lies remain unclear.

Ahem, yes the perpetrators had no intent to smear besmirch or otherwise impugn the motives of people opposed to the war. I can't see that as a possible reason for doing this at all.

WTF;
Would you laugh at a developmentally delayed person you saw on the street? We are the liberals supposedly. The politically correct thing for us to do is kindly ask them if we can help them find their caregiver.

Tim L
You must be a lonely, lonely guy, no one with any brains would want to hang out with such a jerk.
Hack!!!!!1

Y'know...

If Bush's little tour to build up support for the Trillion-dollar meat-grinder that Iraq has become garners anywhere NEAR the bump he created stumping for Social Security Privatization, We should have all the troops home for Christmas...

TimL,

You're a good indicator that Darwin might have had it all wrong. You haven't evolved a wit, in all this time.

-T

How come "Bush Lied" didn't work? I'll tell you why, b/c it isn't true.

Benson,

It is beyond comprehesion that with so much tragedy in our midst, some freak would go so far out of their way to intentionally create another.

Anybody hear anymore on the rumours that all military leave is cancelled after Sept? We dropped more than a grand to get Spc.Spanky home a few weeks ago and STILL almost didn't make it.

They told him he's got leave for Christmas, deploy with the 1st Armored shortly thereafter. The stories keep changing and I don't trust anybody to tell me the truth.

-T

To Tim L.
Well I think David considered Bush told the truth, but couldn’¥ find any evidence for it.

To the rest of you.
Back off guys, maybe if we're nice to him he'll stop swinging that dead thing around. It starting to really stink

Nah, can't just let him sit there drool and try to put some words together to support his butt boy. Let him stew, remember when they came for my neighbor I did nothing and when they came for me there was no one to do anything. Or something like that. He would be screaming all the way to the trucks screaming, "I am one of you" Whatcha think?

Hajji;
I think a little effort investigating Brenner and Reynolds will yield some not too subtle ties to people who have vested interests in selling the war, but this story will probably die a quiet death on A10 beneath the fold.

Bush is the President that finally told all the Liberal Morons to get fucked, and did the right thing by taking no chance on allowing Sadaam to use the WMD's he used on his own people, and then smuggled the rest out to Iran and Syria.

If I have a gun, kill someone with it, then hide it so you are not able to find anything but my re-loading equipment, it MUST mean I never really had my gun that I killed the guy with. I mean, I guess since you couldn't find my gun, I never really had it, so I am innocent of the murder.

Oh Yeah, Cindy Sheehan is a fucking traitor Cunt that stabbed her brave son in the back. She selfishly went against her son's last wishes, after he told her, "I am going back to Iraq mom, please don't disgrace our name with your radical politics". CINDY'S SON'S LAST WORDS TO HER, not mine. he was nice.

WTF;
Your scenario is probably accurate, but I suspect we would believe that the relocation centers are very nice and his patriotic duty is to get on the bus. (Why are all the windows 3 inch circles in the aluminum?)

(Freudian slip found in draft it's patriotic, not idiotic.)

robb read WTF roll around cave laugh ass off

robb think Tim L need eat meat make brain grow

robb liberal share meat with Tim L

On Today's topic:

Uzbekistan atrocities are but one in a long long list of evils our government is blithely ignoring or actively encouraging in the name of their own agenda.

Lets see:

Coup in Venezuela, approved if not abetted by our freedom loving warlords.

Coup in Haiti, approved and abetted by us.

Torture and murder by our agents and agencies in secret locations all over the world.

Torture and murder by our proxies under the the rendition program.

Pakistani WMD flea market.

Murder of our citizens (by bullet and bulldozer) by our allies in Israel.

Columbian death squads killing labor activists.

Continual subversion of our own constitutional rights here in this country.

On Yesterday's topic:

I don't expect the dems to win any of the battles, and fully recognize their minority (hence powerless) status. I would like to see them showing some courage of their convictions, rather than rolling over and showing their belly to the alpha dog in the pack.

And sadly, I have no suggestions for alternative leadership. As long as we're trapped in a two party winner take all system, owned and operated by the contributors and the lobbyists, this is the best we can expect. And I have no doubt it can, and will get much much worse.

I saw a handle on some blog that reads: "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." This is a quote from Thomas Jefferson. And this is what we have in our country, except the reality is that 26% can take away the rights of the other 74% due to the absence of half of the electorate on election day.

I think we could learn a little from other democracies in the world, proportional representation makes some sense to me, mandatory voting, public financing of all political campaigns, equitable tax policies, the list goes on.

At the very least follow the intentions outlined in our own constitution, separation of powers, checks and balances, states rights, and limited powers to the federal government.

I just want to make it clear to all, that opposition to Bushco does not equal support for democrats.

More vile and hateful troll rhetoric. They are truly pathetic. Hajji, I read the rumor about cancelled leave a couple weeks ago from the WRH letters, is that where you saw it?
"The reasons behind the lies remain unclear." Thanks John, that made me laugh! 36% approval for the lying traitorous chimp, that means 36% of the American population is made up of ostrichs, heads firmly buried in the sand. It's so much easier that way.

Liberals love to dish it out, but can't take it. When a Tim L or a Tom or someone else counters their rantings with sound syllogisms, all they are capable of in reply is vile invective. There is no grace, there is no wit, there is no charm, there is no style, there is no intelligence, there is no original thought. Liberals are like coyotes baying at the moon.

Both Aristotle's "Metaphysics" and Plato's "Republic" speak to the cretins of the world. They have been with us for millenia; they shall continue to haunt us for years to come.

CINDY SHEEHAN IS TRULY A REMARKABLE WOMAN AND SGT KEVIN BENDERMAN IS A REMARKABLE MAN. THEY ARE TWO DISCIPLES AND FRIENDS OF JESUS CHRIST.

A CNN poll ??? (liberals only polled, conseratives weeded out with prep questions) means that even 40% of Dems have finally realized Bush has been right every step of the way.

Is that why you show up here Antoine? Just to make it all come true, psuedo intellectual brain farts from you add a lot to the entertainment of this site, but not much substance on the problems facing this country, how do the fascists actually pay for their empire?

Antoine;
Please tell me you are the product of home schooling.

I rest my case.

WTF, you are a stupid douche bag. You have never added anything intelligent to this blog. You suck up liberal lies like fine wine, and never have an answer for the FACT that B. Clinton, Gore, H. Clinton, and all the rest of the liberal leaders believed the same FACTS about the WMD's. The WMD's were smuggled out because all the extra time pukes like you gave Sadaam to get the WMD's out and hidden.

Don't you mean nolo contendere.

Antoine,

Re #23

Is "Bush is the President that finally told all the Liberal Morons to get fucked" or "Cindy Sheehan is a fucking traitor Cunt" not vile invective?

Perhaps you should put down the classics for a second, and pick up a dictionary.

Vile:
1. Loathsome; disgusting: vile language.
2. Unpleasant or objectionable: vile weather. See Synonyms at offensive.

Invective:
1. Denunciatory or abusive language; vituperation.
2. Denunciatory or abusive expression or discourse.

Uh, tom have you proof of this like pictures that you could link or are you still buying into chimpy's bullshit? Please try to use bigger words than those childish insults which only serve to highlight your lack of education and understanding of the finer points of discourse, learn from your betters, like Antoine. Low brow comments are not productive, but then you might guess that if you read more posts by Troglodyte robb. Now there is a genius in understatement.

WTF

PHD here, how bout you fuck wad?

Unlike liberals, I don't need a dictionary to know the meaning of words. Unlike liberals, I have original thoughts. Unlike liberals, I can function in this world. Unlike liberals, if I don't like something, I don't just complain about it; I go out and do something about it. Unlike liberals, I am an adult.

bloodthirstycons

Why does America have so many bloodthirstycons?

SPEECH OF SENATOR JOHN F. KENNEDY,
COMMODORE HOTEL, NEW YORK, N.Y.,
ACCEPTANCE OF PARTY NOMINATION, SEPTEMBER 14 1960

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label, "Liberal"? If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But, if by a "Liberal," they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people - their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties - someone who believes that we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say that I'm a "Liberal."

*****

Neocons are neo-liberals.

capt

Wow you spent all that money to phoney up a PHD and still resort to insults like that, you must be proud, and what a waste of your money, must have attended one of those on line universities. Good going. Ha, ha,

I was just wondering what kinda mileage one could expect from one of those "Winnebagoes of Death" we heard so much about.

I went to CarMax and couldn't find a good used one. Does "NoozeMax" have a classified section?

-T

I suppose one could go online to Stanford, I however actually attended class.

When you get your GED, write back.

"Beware the librul with a dickshunary!"

-Antoine

Chouse;
There's really no need to pursue that. His post gets better.

Both Aristotle's "Metaphysics" and Plato's "Republic" speak to the cretins of the world.

Metaphysics and the Republic speak to the cretins of the world? Vague syntax, does he mean it's audience is the cretins, or it is speaking of the cretins place in the world.

They have been with us for millenia[sic]; they shall continue to haunt us for years to come.

Is unclear as to the subject, but the statement is no doubt true in either case. Metaphysics, The Republic and cretins have been around for millennia, but I'm damned if I know which he means here.

As he said he's made a fool of himself before. It's a free country (at least on paper).

Perhaps the on-line universities could impart more and better knowledge than the drivel evidenced by these recent postings. A true lamentation that most of you are most assuredly products of a public school system bereft of epistemological endeavor.

Goodie whack a troll in full swing, love it. Yep, got me one of them there diplomas I printed it up on my new printer. Want to have a pissing contest junior? Impress me with your erudition, I am waiting for it, and don't forget to give your buddy shrub a bump for me can't have him jonesing now can we? Let's see to keep it going, I will use the term dimwit, that might spook you but it is more than one syllable so you might not understand it, got it now? Sure let's compare degrees and then we can move on and compare body parts or something like mine is bigger or some such crap or I can piss up higher than you, how is that, or maybe just for laughs you can come up with those pictures showing the trucks moving the weapons that had american markings on the boxes, how about I do that? Hmm? Or the ones with the marking from the UK, Russia, China, and our buddy pakistan? Ever hear of Kamasayih? Huh? DImwit? You shoot your mouth off about your credentials, well I was there, so tell me more about your evidence of any weapons that were moved, we blew them up and contaminated our troops as well, how about that?

mmm Post Hole Digging seems like a reasonable response to most of the shrill voices representing discounted referents. I am always curious why certain vain individuals would desire to visit this blog commentary and spew their hatred and related bile? Is it that they can run back to their peers in their blogsphere and claim some sort of "we're number one" adolescent cool? Is it to insure that they are rewarded some virtual points for posting lies and gross misstatements of facts on an "enemy's" website??

Please people, i do believe that John Benson was correct in suggesting that we all just ignore the trolling and move on with the substantive discourse. The increase in their desperation is self evident and indicative of perceiving their imminent failure.

mmm Post Hole Digging seems like a reasonable response to most of the shrill voices representing discounted referents. I am always curious why certain vain individuals would desire to visit this blog commentary and spew their hatred and related bile? Is it that they can run back to their peers in their blogsphere and claim some sort of "we're number one" adolescent cool? Is it to insure that they are rewarded some virtual points for posting lies and gross misstatements of facts on an "enemy's" website??

Please people, i do believe that John Benson was correct in suggesting that we all just ignore the trolling and move on with the substantive discourse. The increase in their desperation is self evident and indicative of perceiving their imminent failure.

Neoconservatism in the United States

Neoconservatives are conservatives who are "new" (neo) to the conservative movement in some way. Usually, this comes as a result from the migration from the left of the political spectrum to the right, over the course of many years. Though every such neoconservative has an individual story to tell, there are several key events in recent American history that are often said to have prompted the shift.

Some of today's most famous neocons are from Eastern European Jewish immigrant families, who were frequently on the edge of poverty. The Great Depression radicalized many immigrants, and introduced them to the new and revolutionary ideas of socialism and communism. The Soviet Union's break with Stalinism in the 1950's led to the rise of the so-called New Left in America, which popularized anti-Sovietism along with anti-capitalism. The New Left became very popular among the children of hardline Communist families.

Opposition to the New Left and Détente with the Soviet Union would cause the Neoconservatives to emerge as the first important group of social policy critics from the working class. The original neoconservatives, though not yet using this term, were generally liberals or socialists who strongly supported the Second World War. Multiple strands contributed to their ideas prior to becoming neoconservatives, including the Depression-era ideas of former New Dealers, trade unionists and Trotskyists, particularly those who followed the political ideas of Max Shachtman. The current neoconservative desire to spread democratic capitalism abroad often by force, it is sometimes said, parallels the Trotskyist dream of world socialist revolution. The influence of the Trotskyists perhaps left them with strong anti-Soviet tendencies, especially considering the Great Purges targeting alleged Trotskyists in Soviet Russia. A number of neoconservatives such as Jeane Kirkpatrick, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz were Shachtmanites in their youth while others were involved in the Social Democrats, USA, which was formed by Schachtman's supporters in the 1970s.

The original "neoconservative" theorists, such as Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz, were often associated with the magazine Commentary, and their intellectual evolution is quite evident in that magazine over the course of these years. Throughout the 1950s and early 1960s the early neoconservatives were anti-Communist socialists strongly supportive of the civil rights movement, integration, and Martin Luther King. However, they grew disillusioned with the Johnson administration's Great Society. Some neoconservatives also came to despise the counterculture of the 1960s and what they felt was a growing "anti-Americanism" among many baby boomers, in the movement against the Vietnam War and in the emerging New Left.

Lind further argues that "The organization as well as the ideology of the neoconservative movement has left-liberal origins". He draws a line from the center-left anti-Communist Congress for Cultural Freedom to the Committee on the Present Danger to the Project for the New American Century and adds that "European social democratic models inspired the quintessential neocon institution, the National Endowment for Democracy." [5]

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I think that makes the neocons the real liberals and all of us Corn posters the real conservatives.

Makes sense the trolls would rail against their very origins, eh? Not very smart these delusion jerks? Hate filled losers that keep coming back for . . why do they keep coming back? I think they must be learning something.

Now if they could actually post something of substance that does not contain foul mouthed egocentric misunderstandings.

Someday maybe. What day does school start again? HA!

capt

I'm a "beauty skool dropout"!

Now that we've got an
OIL MAN in the White House (well, when he's not vacationing) it HAS TO GET BETTER.

It HAS, if you're heavily invested in Chevron/Texaco or other oil companies!

-T

WTF,

When/if you ever get your GED, write back.

There are plenty of ariel photos of the trucks pulling out of Iraq just before the initial
attack.

Since you don't deal in facts anyway, just keep your head up your ass and keep bitching
about this war of necessity. Even fools like you will be protected by those you hate.

Now, go get your Dick & Jane books and start studying for your GED.

Hey, fellow right-wingers.

Let's each get five or ten of our friends at some time and start posting to this site. (Of course, it only takes one of our intellects to defeat all of the other left-wingers combined.)

Fifty or sixty of the dreaded neocons will all start posting to this blog simultaneously. All of the libs will become apoplectic with the vapors.

Nah; then we couldn't laugh at them anymore. It is such fun to see them rant and rave. Kind of like a puppet on a string. If Pavlov had had these folks, he wouldn't have needed his dogs. All he would have had to whisper was, "George Bush" to make them all absolutely rabid.

Oh, HYYA, Capt.

Off to the farmers' mkt to see what's for dinner. Maybe I'll sideswipe some protein on the way home!?

"There's nothing tastier than oppossum done right!"

-Skink

Iran's Growing Sway in Iraq Defies Neocons' Logic

August 26, 2005

by Jim Lobe

Anyone who still believes that the U.S. neoconservatives who led the drive to war in Iraq are diabolically clever geo-strategic masterminds should now consider Iran's vastly improved position vis-à-vis its U.S.-occupied neighbor.

Not only did Washington knock off Tehran's arch-foe, Saddam Hussein, as well as the anti-Iranian Taliban in Afghanistan, but, with this week's completion of a new constitution that would guarantee a weak central government and substantial autonomy to much of the Shi'ite south, it also appears that Iran's influence in Iraq – already on the rise after last spring's inauguration of a pro-Iranian interim government – is set to grow further.

"The new constitution will strengthen the hand of the provincial forces in the South, which are pro-Iranian," according to University of Michigan Iraq expert Juan Cole, who notes that the state structure authorized by the draft charter would amount more to a confederation than a federal system.

Moreover, Cole told IPS, the constitutional ban on any law that contravenes Islamic law will likely give Shi'ite clerics significant power over the state, moving Iraq much closer to the Iranian model.

"While there's no clerical dictator at the head of government as in Iran, if you had five ayatollahs on the Supreme Court who were striking down laws because they contravened Islam, that's pretty close to the Iranian system," he said.

In a recent colloquium for The Nation magazine, Shibley Telhami, a Middle East specialist at the Brookings Institution, noted that, "No one in Washington would have imagined that with all the human and financial costs of the war, the United States would find itself supporting a government … [with] close ties to Iran and that would conclude a military agreement with Tehran for the training of Iraq forces, even as nearly 140,000 U.S. troops remained on Iraq soil."

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Neocon and logic in the same sentence? I think Jim Lobe made a funny. HA!

capt

Hajji,

Road kill only if VERY fresh! HA!

capt

'Course you'd have to make some friends first. Maybe after skool starts... Ask mommy to help you set up some play dates...

Spyder,
Actually I don't think we should ignore them. Capt. said we should ignore them. I think we can avoid using the same behavior. I have seen decent people I disagree with strongly post here. Why should I berate them solely because I disagree with them? I believe we can leave that ground to the fanatics. I think the goal is to get us to disengage.

I think you're correct, they probably go back to a freep site and count coup (apologies to any non-horse culture folks (wink wink)). I personally would like to know what the point system is. I figure getting booted off is a major deal, just think you get kicked off a liberal site which supposedly believes in free speech for exercising your right to free speech. I also wonder if they come in teams, and play good thug / bad thug.

I'm sure there are liberal trolls at their sites as well. I figure I can get abused without the trouble here.

First time I've ever seen it PHD, and not PhD. But then, what do I know?

A true lamentation that most of you are most assuredly products of a public school system bereft of epistemological endeavor. Antoine

Ah yes, epistemological endeavor. What exactly can we know?

Well, for one thing, we know that we marched from one end of Iraq to the other without finding WMD, to paraphrase Colin Powell.

I guess my favorite epistemology line was Rummy's:"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

Hi John Benson!

First time I've ever seen it PHD, and not PhD. But then, what do I know?

A true lamentation that most of you are most assuredly products of a public school system bereft of epistemological endeavor. Antoine

Ah yes, epistemological endeavor. What exactly can we know?

Well, for one thing, we know that we marched from one end of Iraq to the other without finding WMD, to paraphrase Colin Powell.

I guess my favorite epistemology line was Rummy's:"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

Hi John Benson!

Is that all you got tom? Damn dissapointed I am.

Hi Robert I was hoping you would be here.

Benson,

Sometimes the sheer entertainment value, alone, is worth it. Some choose "Troll Killing" as a varsity sport. I only kill when the freezer's close to empty.

mmmm TROLLmeat....mmmm

-T

You have to parboil them first, they are just too mean to have much flavor so add a few herbs too. It takes the stink away.

...and Robert Too!

WOW!

(this isn't just a flashback, is it? I've been having a few lately.)

-T

Thanks,

I don't get to come and play quite as often as I used to, but I still check in once in a while.

...but now, off to "bring home the bacon" before the REAL "breadwinner" comes home.

Do I sound hungry to you?

-T

DUCKSPEAKER BUSH

Last night Bush Junior made a televised speech extolling the virtues of the USA helping the United Nations bring peace and freedom to Iraq by continuing the war there.

Bush urges patience on Iraq war (no exit for 140,000 US troops). Boston Globe, June 29, 2005

Substitute Bush into the following excerpt from 1984 and you'll have the example of "duckspeak" you're looking for:

"The man [Bush] with the strident voice was still talking remorselessly away. He held some important post [president] in the FICTION DEPARTMENT [USA Government]. It was just a noise, a quack-quack quacking. Every word of it was pure orthodoxy [politically correct], pure Ingsoc [Corporate Communism]. This was not a real human being but some kind of dummy [ain't that the truth!]. It was not the man's brain [doesn't have one] that was speaking, it was his larynx. The stuff that was coming out of him consisted of words, but it was not speech in the true sense: it was noise uttered in unconsciousness, like the quacking of a duck."

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We have all done our studies on Orwell and all but this little piece brings a new and accurate concept: Corporate Communism.

Quack quack. HA!

capt

John Benson,

One of the smart ones on this blog. If you folks would think through matters like he does, rather than react viscerally and stupidly, I wouldn't have to make fun of you all the time.

John, you're a bit too much of an empiricist for me, but you are light years above everyone else at this forlorn outpost.

And, by the way, I am the product of an Oxford education - St Hugh's College. Would that it were the Queen's or Christ Church Colleges, but I lacked the intellectual prowess for matriculation. And there was no DPhil in store for me, alas and alack.

That's Oxford, as in England, for you liberals.

So what gives you the impression we need some brit to bring us up to speed? No offense but your offal speech really sends me to the loo. I guess that you can figure it out and I am glad you have an education now quit trying to show off it demeans a great country, uh, that would be ours not yours.

"Capt. said we should ignore them."

ONLY if you are not having fun. I always leave an out.

No absolutes and I only speak for myself.

IF you want them to go away or stop bugging you, then ignore them. (as I do)

I never intended to sound like I am suggesting a policy, just a suggestion. If I was not clear I apologize.

capt

I have a question for all you Kool-Aid drinkers.
Those of you who claim you are so patriotic because you support the troops, not the war. Just what are your Liberal buddies doing protesting at Walter Reed? There are no policymaking officials there. There are doctors, nurses, hospital staff and injured soldiers. Are they protesting the doctors but supporting the troops? I think not.

Senior Iran cleric hails "Islamic state of Iraq"

Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Aug. 26 – A senior Iranian cleric welcomed on Friday the establishment of an Islamic republic in Iraq and hailed the country’s new constitution as one based on "Islamic precepts".

Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, who heads the powerful ultra-conservative Guardian Council, told worshippers in Tehran’s Friday prayers, "Fortunately, after years of effort and expectations in Iraq, an Islamic state has come to power and the constitution has been established on the basis of Islamic precepts".

"We must congratulate the Iraqi people and authorities for this victory", he said.

Jannati, who is a top confidant of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said that all justice-seeking counties of the world "have no model other than the Islamic revolution in Iran to turn to".

"Lebanese Hezbollah and the state of Iraq are not the only supporters of the Islamic revolution", he said.

Referring to the West as Global Arrogance, the hard-line cleric said, "No matter how many stones they throw in our path, they cannot prevent the spread of the Islamic revolution in the world".

"We are the winners in the nuclear issue, too", Jannati said. "The way is paved for our progress and we just need to work hard".

Jannati said the rising oil prices had placed Iran on a sound financial footing. "We still have problems, but less than before".

In comments directed against other factions within the clerical regime, Jannati called on the new hard-line government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to "purge executives who have been within our system, but who have been opposing our system and abusing people’s rights".

"These executives must be purged as soon as possible", the powerful cleric said.

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Mission Accomplished?

capt

Just like a liberal to assume that just because I have an Oxford education that I am from England.

Actually, I am Pandemoniac's evil hispanic twin from Texas. Really!!

Honestly; you guys have no thought process at all.

Now, I wouldn't have to keep ridiculing you if you had some decent ideas. How are we going to fix American schools that produce such lackluster thinkers as you? How are we going to prevent global terrorism? How are we going to fix Social Security?

Or is all you can do is complain and cast aspersions?

"The fact that I have no remedy for all the sorrows of the world is no reason for my accepting yours. It simply supports the strong
probability that yours is a fake."

~Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)
U. S. Editor and Critic.

Amurican schools? We gon' gut 'em and defund 'em 'til there ain't none left 'cept the ones me and my buddies can afford. heh heh heh heh

We gon' keep fightin' the terrists over there so's we don't have to fight 'em over here! We gon' stay the course! Bring 'em on! Mission accomplished as long as it takes! heh heh heh heh

Social Security? See my first answer, dumbass - same deal! heh heh heh heh heh heh

Golly from texas and all, that must make you proud. Whether or not you are what you claim is really beside the point, and fixing the SS system,is it broke? I think not and the projections that the current crooks are making are projections far out into never never future land, and they can't even estimate the deficit one year from the next, and screw you and your aspersions on whether anyone other than you has any sort of education you are an elitist and fit right in with your hero shrub the war criminal, so does that mean you are moving to crawford so you can help that master of intellect clear brush? Spare me you wit it is only half there at best. Texas huh? figures. Pande? well you can pick you nose but not your family., but if you do pick a winner.

Finnish TV drops U.S. televangelist's show after call to assassinate Chavez

Canadian Press

Friday, August 26, 2005

HELSINKI, Finland (AP) - The only Christian TV channel in Finland said Thursday it will stop airing shows by American televangelist Pat Robertson because of his call to assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

The channel said its purpose was to spread a Christian message, not indulge in politics.

"It's sad that a leading Christian figure makes these kinds of statements," said the channel's executive, Martti Ojares. "The American style of mixing politics and Christian faith is also foreign to Finnish culture."

On Monday, Robertson called for the assassination of Chavez, saying the U.S. government should "take him out." Robertson apologized Wednesday after saying his comments had been misinterpreted.

The Helsinki-based TV7 began broadcasting in 2003, and has aired Robertson's show, The 700 Club, since then. The channel reaches about 1 million viewers in the country of 5.2 million.

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It would be nice if we in the USA cared as much about hate speech. It is hate and intolerance that breed stupidity. That is not Christian nor even religious, it is politics. At least somebody noticed.

The radical cleric (Pat) is no better than any other extremist or fanatic. There should be some real consequence to saying such things.

capt

Once again, I rest my case. Liberals - no wit, no grace, no style, no charm, no intellect, no ratiocination. And, for you current lefty bloggers, losers to the core.

Thanks compliments accepted.

Bush's Pat Roberson Problem

By Matthew Rothschild
August 25, 2005

Pat Robertson has apologized, sort of, for his outrageous comments encouraging the United States to assassinate Hugo Ch?vez, the democratically elected president of Venezuela. But those comments still pose a two-fold problem for Bush.

First, he’≥ got to distance himself from this nut, even though Robertson and his bowl of nuts are about the only allies Bush has got left. His latest approval rating is down to 36 percent, the lowest of his presidency, according to the American Research Group.

And second, Robertson’≥ remarks handcuff Bush, making the overthrow of Ch?vez more difficult to execute. Even before the reverend said, "Thou Shall Kill," Ch?vez was warning that Bush wanted to off him. So Robertson lent credence to Ch?vez’≥ claim and burnished Ch?vez’≥ reputation in Venezuela and beyond as a Latin American David confronting the Goliath up north

In June, the Bush Administration proposed to the Organization of American States a new policy that would have enabled that group to intervene militarily to "promote democracy" in Latin America. But many governments in the OAS balked at this, seeing it as a transparent threat against sovereignty in general and Venezuela, in particular.

Just last week, Rumsfeld, who doesn’¥ have enough to do fighting insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan, took time out to go to Latin America to try to isolate Ch?vez. The New York Times headlined it story on this, "Rumsfeld’≥ Tour of South America Is Directed at Stability," when it may have been more focused on the destabilization of Venezuela.

Given this context, Robertson seems to have just gotten a little ahead of the curve, daring to say in public what Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rice are probably muttering under their breath.

When your crazed friends start getting in the way of your crazed policy, it’≥ a real shame.

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So the comments made by Pat Robertson have actually helped Hugo? Handcuffed Bunnypants. (I wish)

Poetic justice, the lord works in mysterious ways, or Karma. One has to apply.

capt

Hey, it really is hard work getting in that daily nap, bicycling around the back 40, and fishing for bass. Too bad we don't get to burn up nearly an entire year of vacation for every four years we put in on the job. Arbusto the magnificent!

David, whenever you go onto a talk show to discuss Bush and the war, please ask anyone who supports him how is it that when a submarine commander hits an uncharted mountain, he takes the pipe as it were for his mistake, yet apparently no one seems to think that Bush bears responsibility for his unparallel dereliction of duty, even criminal negligence, when he allowed the looting of munitions sites and explosive bunkers in Iraq.

The bombs that are killing people every day are not so much IEDs (Improvised Explosives Devices) as they are LMAEs (Looted Munitions And Explosives). Even though (i) We said were looking for WMD, and had clear and definite information about what was where, (ii) Were given whatever information the IAEA had, and (iv) Possess the greatest satellite intelligence system that ever existed, the U.S. Military units were not even ordered to guard or so much as look at the known weapon sites, and the greatest foul-up in military history occurred. Has there ever been an occasion where so much weaponry was allowed to fall into the hands of the enemy?

Bush's supporters instinctively try to refute a claim no one makes, that it the military's responsibility, and that somehow we are criticizing our troops whenever we point out what is actually Bush's utter irresponsibility and incompetence, by imposing the traditional theory that the highest command level takes the hit for major screw-ups of this nature, whether undersea mountain or munitions.

The NYT reported at the time that the White House said on Apr 10, '03, the brigade near the Qaqaa site "..had found no trace of the missing explosives..".

But the 2nd brigade commander there actually said they didn't even look for this, and "..did not care to poke through the stores..", instead only "..paused to make plans..", and he noted, "That's not what we're here for..", and further that he learned only the week of the relegation that it was sensitive.

A television station produced film exposing the lie Bush tried to use-- that the stuff was gone before they got there. In any case, didn't our satellites see a bunch of trucks and fork lifts needed for removing 380 tons of material? Didn't we detect such a massive looting spree? Didn't the administration claim we could see WMD stuff in trailers, and even underground if it advanced their lie about WMD ?

But the 380 tons of high explosives were at a sealed IAEA inspection site! These powdered explosives are easily smuggled, even in Tupperware, unlike Soviet amour-piercing, shaped-charge munitions-- of course, they are used to kill U.S. Troops in armored vehicles in Iraq, so don't need smuggling. They are saving the powdered stuff for Europe, the U.S., and anywhere else, as they use up many decades of supplies.

Here is an excerpt from a campaign letter from Kerry last year, making the same point:

Even before invading Iraq, the Bush administration knew that a huge facility, called Al Qaqaa, contained nearly 380 tons of deadly explosives. Despite the fact that they knew exactly where this facility was and what was there, they took no action to secure or protect the site. Due to the stunning incompetence of the Bush administration and their incomprehensible failure to plan, these explosives have disappeared.

But there is one horrible mistake in that last paragraph: the explosives have not disappeared.

The next words to come out of W's mouth? "Facts is a four letter word."

You can't reason with liberals, since they do not think(logic/facts), they feel(feelings/emotion). Citing facts to liberals is about as useless as trying to befriend the terrorists.

More poll results on Bush released today. This time by a Republican favorite - Gallup: Joe Bob says "Check it out."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/default.aspx?ci=18148

"Antoine": I generally scroll trolls, but the hard work-out you are giving your Thesaurus to dress up your droppings is pretty darn funny - like putting lipstick on a pig they might say around Crawford, Texas.

Antoine;
Feel free disagree, but lackluster thinking is precisely what the current administration wants from the great unwashed.

By empiricist are you suggesting that my opinions are subject to change based on new experience or observation? I'll have to rest my case if so. It would be an odd observation having had Locke and Hume thrown at me by other conservatives, to prove that liberalism had failed. Still, so be it.

Perhaps being open to the possibility that ones understanding is flawed seems lacking in resolve to you. I acknowledge I have little tolerance for people who know they are right in defiance of evidence to the contrary. This would be an argument not worth having though; I won't take up the contrary position and could not escape feeling anyone who did failed to understand the point of the "Argument Sketch."

David Joyce, that al Qaqaa explosives story was discredited. It is now time for you to ADMIT that Kerry lost.

Capt. at #78 re: Robertson. I was all over that a few days ago! What an inadvertently rich gift from Robertson to the Chavez regime, like Bush's invasion of Iraq is for Al Qaeda. I read the Vnenezuelan press regularly. Chavez's V-P Rangel and other cabinet members have been actively talking up Robertson's idiocy to help consolidate power and credibility for Chavez. They have had a lot of fun with the Bush Adminstration's very lukewarm disavowal as well. What did Rumsfailed say: "That's not the way we operate' [i.e., we'd never get caught].

You just keep on keepin on here, eh?

Venezuelan - Prensa Venezolana. Sorry.

- Mr. Typo

The question, then, is WHY?

Why would such a superior intellect as Antoine come here repeatedly to wallow with such swine as I? It seems akin to pulling out the weeks-out of date milk, seeing the solidification through the jug and STILL opening the lid for a sniff!

Can you tell I'm still hungry and putting away the groceries?

-T

Get ready for World War III

Bush is desperately look for more wars to save his legacy as the war president.

TimL.#85

Put your link where your mouth is...

(that sounds kinda dirty, but it wasn't meant to be!)

Question. I think I heard David Corn say on NPR Friday News Round-up today that the costs of the Iraq war could buy a Prius automobile for every licensed driver in the US.....true? David, or someone, could you give particulars/specifics/sources?

The most honorable thing

If you want to fight, fight for the poor and homeless; fight for love, mercy, justice, and peace.

The rise of the stupid

Karen is one of my favorite writers. Writers, like Karen and Teresa Whitehurst, make my theory more sound each day. The hope for our world depends on nurturing and sensitive women. I love nurturing and sensitive women.

Here is the link Hajji, Kerry spoke to soon.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/26/iraq.explosives/

Words that enslave

Words are very important. Listen carefully to the politicians and you know that they lie.

Again, I will ask the question - what will you do about admittedly serious problems other than complain? I ask for replies and receive truly sophomoric responses.

And liberals are the only ones who need a Thesaurus. Actually, I was quite impressed that one of them (a)actually knew for what a Thesaurus was used and (b)could actually spell the word. By the way, do you know the etymology of the word?

I thought not.

Letter dated 10 October 2004 from the General Director of the Planning and Following Up Directorate of the Ministry of Science and Technology of Iraq addressed to the International Atomic Energy Agency

We would like to inform you that the following materials which have been included in annex 3 (item 74) registered under IAEA custody were lost after 9 April 2003, through the theft and looting of the governmental installations due to lack of security. Therefore we feel an urgent updating of the registered materials is required.

Site Equipment/material Quantity (tons) Remarks

1 Al-qaqaa Company HMX 194.741 High explosive material.
Declaration on 15 July 2002.
2 Al-qaqaa Company RDX 141.233 High explosive material.
Declaration on 15 July 2002.
3 Al-qaqaa Company PETN 5.8 High explosive material.
Declaration on 15 July 2002.
Please accept our high respect and consideration.
(Signed) Mohammed J. Abbas
General Director of the Planning and Following Up Directorate

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Looks like nobody told the IAEA that the Reich-wingnut echo chambers found the 380 missing tons.

Just where did they find them? I cannot find any reference using Google that resolves the issue of the missing explosives, can you link me up?

I am always willing to learn.

The link is to the published IAEA report. I am sure you can link me to more accurate information.

capt

I am not one to send flowers for a cause. I would rather send a check directly to the organization that I favor. Cindy's cause is deserving of a donation.

Gerald,

The CODEPINK link to send a rose also will take any donation without sending a flower.

capt

Bush the Melting

A great read!!!

capt, thank you for the suggestion!!!

capt, you are a man of information!!! I have added CodePink to my computer benchmark. Women for peace around the world and in America are our last hope for our planet. Men have a way of screwing up things. Maybe men are too preoccupied with screwing and have no time for justice and peace?

capt, you are a man of information!!! I have added CodePink to my computer benchmark. Women for peace around the world and in America are our last hope for our planet. Men have a way of screwing up things. Maybe men are too preoccupied with screwing and have no time for justice and peace?

REptilian brain versus mammalian brain nurturing versus conquering. Just physiology but someone screwed up when they let men take charge.

Sorry, Antoine. No time to bandy words over your fatuous posts or report etymology back to you. Your 15 seconds of fame are done!

I'm planning to go back to Camp Casey tomorrow to help out. They need folks to help move around the large crowds that will show to support Cindy Sheehan's movement. Maybe I'll seem some of you others down there! When I made the first visit it was only about 50 folks at Camp Casey I, but what an amazing mix of backgrounds was represented. Cheers.

Gerald: CodePink - just some of the interesting folks camping out down in Crawford. I gave them a bunch of old bath towels. They gave my daughter one of their bright pink umbrellas with a peace sign on the top. Over and out for now.

You rock Riff!

Here is the easy link for the flower or ANY donation:

Send a Rose to Cindy Sheehan

So far it says only 4,500 flowers are being sent tomorrow. I think I will send them another $10.00, it is not much but . . .

capt

John Benson, just for you:

Is this the blog for an argument?

I told you.

No you haven't.

Yes I have.

When?

Just now.

No you didn't.

Yes I did.

You didn't

I did!

You didn't!

John Benson, just for you:

Is this the blog for an argument?

I told you.

No you haven't.

Yes I have.

When?

Just now.

No you didn't.

Yes I did.

You didn't

I did!

You didn't!

Riff,

Godspeed on your trip.

Antoine

RE: Women

I always listen to my better half. She is very smart and I respect her unique take on things and her insight has some female intuition or something but she is nearly always right about stuff.

Why she puts up with me? I will never know. HA! (true)

capt

CHouse,

You are just being contrary

No I'm not

Yes you are

No I'm not

capt

I came here for a good argument.

No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.

An argument isn't just contradiction.

It can be.

No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.

No it isn't.

Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.

Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.

Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'

Yes it is!

No it isn't!

HA!

Conflicting reports
In the NBC report cited by the Bush campaign, the reporter embedded with American troops when they visited Al Qaqaa on April 10, 2003, the day after Baghdad fell, said she did not see any explosives.

But the reporter, Lai Ling Jew, said in an interview Tuesday on the network's cable arm, MSNBC, that the 24-hour visit by elements of the 101st Airborne Division was "more of a pit stop."

U.S. troops did not conduct a detailed search of the compound nor did they try to prevent looting, she said.

The IAEA said Tuesday the last time it can vouch for the presence of the explosives at Al Qaqaa was in March 2003, before the U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam.
____________

So...they made a pit stop, SHE didn't SEE any ordinace, but they didn't search the the compound or secure the area, even though the US Govt and Military KNEW what was supposed to be there. Just like your hero, Bunnypants, you're comfortable infering that you know something to be true, even though there's no proof of such. I can only hope you're never in a position to destroy hundreds of thousands of lives for your "beliefs".

Come to think of it, how much worse COULD you be than Arbusto II?

-T

Good de-bunking, there Timmy!

What IS another word for thesaurus?

Hi capt.

I promise not to argue with the bots. At least I promise to try not to. They seem to have fallen into an incoherent sort of dementia, drooling and feverishly spewing fragments of Bill O Rielly hate speech. Kinda sad really.

Did you catch the Daily Show last night! They took hundreds of clips of Bush repeating his sound bites over and over. Then they followed it up with his famous words:

"In my line of work you have to sort of keep repeating the same thing over and over again, until the idea sinks in,to sort of catapault the propaganda."

I remember I actually believed the words of Bush, Powell, Rice, Cheney and company before we invaded Iraq. I was actually afraid. I geuss I just could not believe that so many people would tell such a big lie. Hitlers big lie theory in action.

I feel raped.

The incogneocon is back. Greeeaaat. If Tickle Me Elmo won the Republican nomination and then proceeded to say "Making Progress" over and over again, I think the real kool aid drinkers would support him just as strongly.

I love how they accuse others of delusion, lying, theft and murder. Kinda like a Colombian drug lord doing just say no commercials.

I'm sorry but I'm afraid I can not argue with you unless you pay.

Yes you can

"I promise not to argue with the bots."

Dude, it is an open blog. I just suggest ignoring the ignorant.

I will not address them and they leave me alone. That is what works for me.

I just see little or no point in the name calling low brow put downs and such. If a troll wants to have a serious discussion I might even jump in but for the most part I only hear the dumb stuff.

I am dumb enough already, I need no additional dumbing down.

You wacka troll, if you like. Fun is fun.

capt

add - not that you need my permission. Ever.

Billmon is cookin'

Yes my capt.

I thank you for your wisdom. My disdain for them has slowly been replaced by pity. I think they come here to spew, not to convince us of anything, but to convince themselves they are not on a completely wrong path. I am done prodding thier idiocy. Like the old Rubics cube, the fun has worn off.

I can't pay you John Benson, I am trying to survive in the Bush economy. I may have to whore myself like Jeff Gannon in order to put gas in my car.

Billmon?

I need a beer. It is Miller time.

capt.
Are you married? Everyone I know is married and reproducing. Women are repulsed by me.

Corky,

Sorry I should have included :

http://billmon.org/

I thought everybody knew.

And as far as women go, there is a lid for every pot.

Maybe you will find a good woman that you are repulsed by? Something in common is where it all starts.

The first time I met my better half she slammed the door in my face.

Kismet

capt

while the trolls are dining, or glossing their lips.

http://www.searchlores.org/trolls.htm#pingode

Peaceful siege makes chicken hawks squawk

Cindy Sheehan was supposed to wilt in the cruel Texas heat, give up and go home. Instead, she became a magnet, drawing scores of like-minded men and women: Other Gold Star mothers, war widows and veterans of the Iraq fighting, as well as anti-war activists.

The true measure of her mission, though is in the desperate counter-attack by a legion of right-wing ideologues: Intellectuals such as George Will and Christopher Hitchens; hacks like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and Fred Barnes and the rest of the Fox News Network propaganda machine, and America's most famous drug addict, Rush Limbaugh.

Limbaugh likened Sheehan to Bill Burkett, the Texas Air National Guard officer who fed 60 Minutes those apparently forged records about Bush's Guard service. "Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett," the junkie proclaimed. "Her story is nothing more than forged documents."

Including, perhaps, the document that begins: "The Secretary of Defense regrets to inform you ..."?

In an example of a great mind getting right to the heart of a matter, O'Reilly wrote last week: "No one in their right mind would want Michael Moore, George Soros or Cindy Sheehan calling the shots in the war on terror." Granted. Then again, could they botch the job any worse than the people now calling the shots?

Meanwhile, let's see which happens first, a Bush/Sheehan meeting, or the first Democratic member of Congress to show up at Camp Casey in support of Cindy Sheehan.

Don't hold your breath waiting for either one to happen.

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I think have read stuff by Rossie before and like his work.

"Intellectuals such as George Will and Christopher Hitchens" intellectuals? How bad is it when those two guys pass as intellectuals.

capt

capt.

Cool site! My keyboard starting freaking out again, typing gibberish (even less intelligible than my usual gibberish). A hack? All fixed now.

The internet has been an amazing phenom these last few months. I think maybe Rove would have easily pulled off his evil plans without it.

re: women
I have never been repulsed by any female. However if you were to put my essence in a spray can it would serve as an excellent woman repellent.

Falafel man O'Reilly really is amazing isn't he. In five years I think we will be seeing his mugshot on the evening news. He is destined for a hard fall.

I liked that Cindy Sheehan ragged on Slick Willie Clinton a bit today. She is definitely not the left winger they try to make her out as. Her ability to call out the bullshit is something the democrats should emulate. It is thier greatest failing.

I think Hitchens was on the Daily Show last time.
Is he a brit? I forget. Whoever it was Jon Stewart tore him a new one.

Yeah, it was Hitchens. Stewart, not even a real newsman, made Hitchens pretty stupid.

look pretty stupid

Corky,

If Lyle Lovitt can marry Julia Roberts, you can end up with a babe.

Think about it. Some of the real beautiful women are married to some of the least beautiful men.

It really is what is inside that matters. Looks and form will change over time but that seldom breaks up a marriage.

If you find a match you will love each other without regard to looks. If my honey was injured and her face was all messed up it would never have anything to do with the way I feel about her. Looks can also be deceiving some beautiful people are very ugly inside.

capt

Hello? wher did everybody go? I think I will argue with myself now.

I hade a gorgeous girlfriend for 4 years. Then she got some glasses, stopped drinking lead tainted tapwater, and kicked me to the curb.

Yes, you are absolutely right about the whole external beauty thing. I believe I may have defective phermones though. Or it might be my poverty. Or my anger issues. Or my hunchback. Okay, I made that one up.

In sharp contrast to last night, the atmosphere here is calm and serene. Strange.

Are dark forces gathering at Mt. Doom or something?

Liberal kool aid drinker! You are wrong and I am always right!

What!!??!! You are the one who drinks the kool aid! I like Hawiian Punch!

The world is flat!

No it is not, you dumbass!

Good night corky, you commie.

Goodnight, bizarro corky, you facist.

God Bless America.

See ya tomorrow, capt.

I was getting started on the weekend honeydo list and it struck me why Antoine's remarks usually seem oddly familiar. I can't speak for his being any other poster, but I finally thought of the style. Having children I often get to watch children's movies, it's a family friendly kind of thing. One of their recent favorites is the Incredibles by Pixar, in it a retired superhero is reminiscing with another retired superhero about a narrow escape he made from a super villain. The super villain has the super hero captured, but lingers to gloat over his captive pointing out how feeble he is and the inevitability of his defeat. And it hit me: that is the style.

"We're making progress." GWB
"We're making progress." GWB
"We're making progress." GWB
"We're making progress." GWB
"Defeat them there so we don't have to defeat them at home." GWB
"Terrorist." GWB
"Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" GWB
"And so." GWB
"You know.....you can't....you just can't....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Let me put it to you this way. They're terroristist and you don't............I don't deal with terrorists." GWB
"Going for a bike ride." GWB
"Gunna............................ah.................I'm going to ah................you know." GWB

Corky,
I'm here. I'll fight with you. Why is it you believe in Bush?

Ok, how about this. Why don't you believe in Bush?

John Benson,

That is I all right, just the ol' super villain. (Remember, always the predicate nominative.)

How is the only intelligent liberal poster in this loony bin?

Now, will one of you geniuses quit whining and tell me his/her ideas on how we're going to fix education, Social Security, border security, out-of-control spending, global terrorism, et al. Pick a topic, any topic.

Or can all you do is complain?

Ann Coulter the queen of the neo's at her finest. We owe Pat and Anne a big favor. Nothing like telling New Yorkers they are cowards. Why would anyone bother saying that?

Democracy Now interviewing a Iraqi War Vet.

ALEX RYABOV: Right. The thing is before going to Iraq, the reasons were questionable. We even had our first sergeant come out and tell us Рyou know, this manճ a veteran of the first Persian Gulf war, been in the Marine Corps twenty-plus years, and he actually, after our commanding officer told us that, yes, we are going to Iraq, he came out to talk to us and said, ҉n going to Iraq, don't think youղe going to be heroes, don't think youղe going there to topple Saddam, find weapons of mass destruction or make Iraq safe for democracy.ӠHe said, ҙouղe going there for one reason and one reason alone, and that's oil.ӠAnd this is our first sergeant telling us this.

AMY GOODMAN: Where were you when he said that?

ALEX RYABOV: This was at Camp Lejeune. This was on base. And, you know, a lot of the younger guys were taken aback by this, because these were -- it's not the official reason for going to Iraq. This is not what's being plastered all over the media. But, you know, guys like myself who had been in for a while just -- we knew the government was involved in underhanded things, and it seemed this time that we would be involved in one.

AMY GOODMAN: How old are you?

ALEX RYABOV: What’≥ that?

AMY GOODMAN: How old are you?

ALEX RYABOV: I'm 22. At the time we were going to Iraq, I was 20. So we found out, we packed up our gear, which was inadequate, as far as totally unarmored vehicles. We received one plate of -- one ballistic plate for body armor, instead of two. You are supposed to have one for your chest, one for your back. We actually had all of our vehicles, all things like that were green camouflage. The green camouflage netting we actually put up in a combat zone. You know, it didn't do much as far as trying to hide us. Here's, you know, the desert, and here's this big green thing with, you know, silver cannon tubes sticking out from under it.

AMY GOODMAN: If you were given one instead of two plates, did you put them on your front or your back?

ALEX RYABOV: Well, I kept mine in the front. We had certain guys that would kind of rotate them depending on situations. Sometimes we would get intelligence, where we were supposedly going to get attacked from the west, and, you know, we’≤e going to get mortars or something, so guys would put the plate on their backs, so that way when they jump in their hole, they have some additional protection. And now, as far as the ammunition trucks go and most of the vehicles, you know, all of the vehicles were combat loading, meaning every vehicle had some amount of ammunition. And when we were hardening these vehicles by just putting sandbags on the floorboards, and you have, for example, on ammunition trucks, 10,000-plus pounds of high explosives and artillery shells, those sandbags won't do anything.

And so, being in Iraq and seeing all kinds of things like, you know, dead bodies for the first time, seeing the results of our artillery fire and, you know, seeing those, being artillery you’≤e firing upwards of 15 miles away. You don't get to see your target. You normally don't get to see the results. At one point we had fired at an Iraqi artillery unit. And passing by, we were told they were going to be on the right side of the road. Looking over there, I saw a piece of metal, another piece of metal further away, and everything else was just gone. It looked like the soil had been freshly tilled, like someone had put all the people, artillery pieces, anything that had been in the area into a giant blender, spun it around and poured it back over the ground.

And, you know, every time we would see these kind of things, like, you know, dead bodies on the road, burnt and destroyed vehicles, we’§ just keep going, because, you know, mission accomplishment. We have a position to get to, stuff like that. There was a time where we passed a -- there was a wounded -- a civilian had a gunshot wound in his thigh. We passed by because we had to keep going.

And one of the main things really, the thing that made the most impact on me in Iraq was going up to Tikrit. By this point, most of our or a lot of our cargo vehicles had the windshields blown out because of the concussion of firing, you know, these charges. These gun powder charges are in excess of 40 pounds. So windshield shattered, tossed it out. We're moving up the road maybe 45 miles an hour, and it's about 4:00 in