Let me be the first to say "HoooRaaah!"

Time to put an end to all this "Monkey Business"!

(there, we got THAT out of the way!)

-T

Seriously, the most poignant thing is simply that nobody (currently with a loud enough voice to be heard) has a set of orbs with enough juice say they're TAKING Hart's advice, even if they did.

It is almost an automatic stigma these days to run a presidential campaign and lose, for whatever reason. Who was the last president to do so and then run again, this time successfully?

I'm thinking NIXON! What a joy THAT turned out to be!

-T

Awe Great move! That's all you people need is another womanizer running.

Mr. David Corn,

Thanks again~ Real good post.

A moot question of the elections are being decided by black box stuffing. Diebold has an ex-DNCer promoting Diebold machines.

What has been done to prevent the next election from being stolen (again) and how do we move forward when they repeat the same lies?

Kirk

Gary Hart and Wesley Clark in 2008!

Wise men should listen to wise men. The Democratic party should incorporate Hart's ideas.

Bush will not go around the country and admit that he was wrong and that he lied to the American people. Bush is a psycho, a total psycho, who is unfit to be president. I spoke of Bush as a nutcase well before the 2004 election. America is a land of nutcases and that is why nutcases stuck together and elected one of their own.

What do Donna Rice and Christa McCauliffe have in common?

They both went down on the Challenger.

better a womanizer than a complicit bastard - do you have a better idea for a candidate, Prof.?

I'll repost this so someone doesn't have to use the navigation keys.

Antione;
I needed a little follow up on that post to respond. First, actually that's from the opera, and to the best of my recollection Voltaire's score was pretty feeble. I also seem to recall Voltaire implied Leibninz philosophy was inspired by syphilitic delusions, so I was expecting an objection to the GW comparison based on that front. Once again my hopes are dashed.

For your other points I have this to say: Before I start criticizing any individual for their beliefs I like to be sure I know what those beliefs are. When I intend to criticize what someone has said I think it wise to be able to source the statement accurately. Can you provide original citations for these statements? If it is hearsay repetition from some other source, it would be useful to know who, and why they feel it's important to criticize. I've become accustomed to reading about truly outrageous statements attributed to liberals; sometimes they are true often they are deliberate distortions. Without such information criticizing what someone has said is usually just feeding the echo chamber.

With your last comment I must say, I'm not accustomed to finding one so puerile with that much understanding of literature, but then maybe the syphilis attracted you.

HOw about someone without such a large trunk of junk following him around, think that the reich wing won't trot out that chick he was photographed with? Sure as god made little green apples, and karl rove will have his fingerprints all over it. Damn these dams can't get anything right, we are truly doomed, maybe we should be like p robertson and pray our way out of this mess, sort of like ghost dancing worked for the indians.

Pat Paulson for preznit?

Tiny Tim (tip toe through the tulips)?

Mary Carey and Clinton?

Nader & Kucinich?

My guess is, it will not matter, the fix is in.

Anybody want to wager on the '06 landslide for GOPhers? If the GOPhers are not stealing elections you could win some money.

The numbers will defy registered voter counts if the turnout is good, exit polls will not even be published until after the fixed counts are in. Like in the last election the polling will be weighted by the actual numbers.

They will stand there with straight faces and lie AGAIN. They will fight any challenge in court (packed with ideologues appointed by Bush) and the challenges will fall like a lead balloon.

They are not going to mess up this chance to gain a super-majority. Why would they? If they lose this chance it will slow their forward momentum.

And you wonder why the Democrats are toothless? The democrats are leaderless? Feckless, spineless GOP lap dogs? They are just trying to keep the emperor happy in hopes of not being cut from the "B" team.

We have been under a one party system for many years. The party of the elite and ultra-wealthy. They OWN both teams so they insure their victory no matter who "wins".

IMHO

capt

ADD: The SOB's!

HA!

capt

The chickenhawk Dems like Clinton, Biden and Kerry are up to their necks in the muck of the "Big Muddy" that Hart describes. We need to ask them the same question we ask the Repugs: Are their families serving or willing to serve in Iraq?

agree completely with capt and tibor.

sheehan et al need to take it to the Dems.

Yeah, we better keep blaming those not in power.

That's the ticket.

Everybody should go to Act for Change I just sent a rose to Cindy for $3.00. Who cannot afford $3.00?

I hope we can bury Crawford in flowers.

capt

I agree capt, they are two parties but one goal the domination of the american scene, and making themselves more and more comfortable. So what is in store for us? SOmething like a third world existence? Better learn spanish they are good at competing at the bottom of the heap so our much vaunted competition better get with it, and subsistence living has some advantages it doesn't take two jobs to support it, and I am actually in synch with it. So we are no longer the market that drives the worlds economy so what are the asian tigers going to do? Fight amongst themselves to be the superpower? We might consider that outside adventurism is not in our best interest. Let's see!!

This is more direct, the last link would have you hunt for the $3.00 rose: Act for Change

capt

We can rattle on and on about candidates in '06 and '08. However, one of the more important things that we all need to do is make sure we take care of our local politics as best we can, with the same passion we hold for what Hart says above. I don't know about elections east of the 116º meridian, but out here on the leftward coast there are three doozies coming up this year. Local, regional, and state ballots that represent some serious issues, particularly funding and apportionments. The bottom of the ballot is in some ways more important than the top, particularly those not so insignificant slots for judges, commissioners, members of utility and water district boards, and so forth. Encouraging the folks running for these offices to hold views and positions that include clear understanding of the national and international picture will help move the "party" towards a more responsive and dynamic role in the future.

Here is an odd one.

My better half is a little miffed that I only sent one flower to another woman. HA!

Come on guys, this is fun!

capt

#3 OH, SHUT UP! I guess you prefer all the boys and their boyfriends in the WH corridors and the Oval Office?

My generation of Democrats jumped on the hot stove of Vietnam and now, with its members in positions of responsibility, it is afraid of jumping on any political stove. And the Democrats and liberals have been tarred as soft on just about everything non-American since ultimately resulting in today's minority status. So here's an idea. Let's do it all over again! Makes sense to me!

The simple fact is:

If the black boxes were not fixed Bush would never had the opportunity to wreck both this once great nation and the GOP.

He was assigned by the Supreme Court and has never actually won anything.

We can do overs all day long but the facts are just that, facts.

This is what we get for letting the rich and elite dictate what our politicians do by political donations from huge multinational corporations that do not represent the people of America.

We are not Global and we do not have the billions that we need to BUY our democracy back from the corporations that have been buying the only voting block that can influence, political payola.

The people do not matter to the system or the politicians. We are collateral to the process unless and until we are so dissatisfied that civil unrest breaks out all over.

As long as their are true believers willing to shill for the Bush crime family the people will not matter one iota. What or how we vote will not matter one iota.

How can we expect the politicians to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs (corporate political donations) in favor of the peons and serfs that will never pony up that kind if cash?

It is not going to happen.

capt

WHY DON'T WE HAVE OUR NEXT PRES ELECTION IN NHL FASHION? CANCEL IT EARLY, IT IS COSTING US, THE OWNERS, WAY TOO MUCH!

Here's my two cents:

Putting any faith in the craven democrats is a fools game.

The purpose of an opposition party (meaning the party not currently in control of the institutions) is to freaking OPPOSE.

They have not done so, not from day one. Not when these crooks stole an election in front of our eyes. Not in the pre 9/11 months. Certainly not in the post 9/11 months. Not during the run up to the war, not during the first critical months of occupation that set the tone for our current failed policy.

Not until the election did we see much opposition, and even then it was so weak kneed that it only one of their candidates offered any words of opposition to this crowd, and he got whipped in Iowa.

The first sign of life from these guys was in the months right after the election, where the strategy seemed to be "give em enough rope." Which is fine, but someone's got to do the actual hanging part for that strategy to make much sense.

All of us here who are deeply opposed to this war really need to start looking for leadership elsewhere. The democratic party is simply NOT going to do it for us.

Beware the Progressives

We've seen the demise of a nation, USA. Now as we look closely we see the demise of the Democratic party. That leaves us a police state and the selling of our souls to bush and the devil.

"If those in charge of our society - politicians, corporate executives, and owners of press and television - can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves.": Howard Zinn, historian and author

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"The point of public relations slogans like "Support our troops" is that they don't mean anything... That's the whole point of good propaganda. You want to create a slogan that nobody's going to be against, and everybody's going to be for. Nobody knows what it means, because it doesn't mean anything. Its crucial value is that it diverts your attention from a question that does mean something: Do you support our policy? That's the one you're not allowed to talk about.": Noam Chomsky

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Thanks ICH newsletter

capt

Thanks for supporting Cindy, but, where are our democratic Leaders! Cindy's message, "What Noble Cause do we fight and die for?" resonates with millions. George Bush won't address this and there is no Clinton or Kerry or Kennedy to hold his feet to the fire?

How many dozen children and fathers and mothers have died while Bush vacations?

America suffers from lack of leadership and rigged elections. Seymour Hersh says that we have to see how things and events play out. Hopefully, he can say some words as to how we are doing now. America is in deep trouble because she lacks a soul. America is a nation of the damned.

...And Gary Hart deserves more support from fellow leaders and citizens!

HEY PEOPLE! WAKE UP!

Iraq parliament cancels constitution session

Meeting postponed without setting new date until leaders reach agreement on pending issues.

By Ali Khalil and Jay Deshmukh - BAGHDAD

Iraq indefinitely delayed a crucial parliament session that was to be held Thursday to approve the draft constitution, saying certain issues in the charter were still pending.

"The parliament session has been postponed without setting a new date...until meetings are finished and leaders reach an agreement on pending issues," an official with parliament media department said.

*****end of clip*****

I still say: slap a "Mission Accomplished" banner over the green zone and bring the troops home. If we want bases there we should wait until they have formed their government then negotiate not dictate and expect the Iraqis to not notice.

We have no credibility we have no authority and we have no good intentions that matters to the people of Iraq. Of all of the rosy scenarios I have yet to hear the Iraqi people asking for our help or thanking Bush for screwing the pooch on post Saddam administration. More the Iraqis see what a poor manager Bush is and as far as I can tell they want no part of him or his blustering wannbe cowboy crap.

"Bring it on?" They have and will continue to do so until we are no longer obviously dictating what the Iraqis do or how they do it.

capt

Here's my two cents:

Putting any faith in the craven democrats is a fools game.

The purpose of an opposition party (meaning the party not currently in control of the institutions) is to freaking OPPOSE.

They have not done so, not from day one. Not when these crooks stole an election in front of our eyes. Not in the pre 9/11 months. Certainly not in the post 9/11 months. Not during the run up to the war, not during the first critical months of occupation that set the tone for our current failed policy.

Not until the election did we see much opposition, and even then it was so weak kneed that it only one of their candidates offered any words of opposition to this crowd, and he got whipped in Iowa.

The first sign of life from these guys was in the months right after the election, where the strategy seemed to be "give em enough rope." Which is fine, but someone's got to do the actual hanging part for that strategy to make much sense.

All of us here who are deeply opposed to this war really need to start looking for leadership elsewhere. The democratic party is simply NOT going to do it for us.

John Benson,

The quotes I have attributed come directly from the mouths of the perpetrators. For instance, had you the intellectual curiosity to visit Michael Moore's website, you would have found the direct quote. But intellectual rigor has never been the forte of the liberal.

Your logic is prosaic and guttural. And, as Cyrano de Bergerac so brilliantly intoned, there are a great many responses you might have made to me had you some tinge of letters or of wit to color your discourse. But wit - not so - it appears you have not even an atom. And as for letters - you need but three to write you down - A-S-S.

And now, you mental midget, do you agree with Noam Chomsky that America was responsible for 9/11?

Here are three reasons why America is a damned nation. Corruption, greed, and lies have taken over total and absolute control of American souls.

CHouse,
Right...look for leadership elsewhere...got any ideas?

Capt # 22 CHouse #24 You are both 100% correct. The dems are the second head of the snake and the elections are a joke. When are people going to get it? We the people have been sold out for a corptocracy of the facist variety. The congress accepts money from a foreign country whose policies are a priority over those of the U.S. It is all about money and power, it always was. I don't care if it's kerry's or clintons, edwards or hart, bush or McCain, frist or arnie. If they make it thru the primaries they have been bought. There is no other way to succeed in politics. Look how far the few honest ones get. What happened to Wellstone? That's what they get for making waves. Gerald says the US is in deep trouble for lack of a soul, the truth is, the entire planet is in deep trouble because of a few evil individuals who lust for ultimate control over every living thing. If the people don't wake up soon, it won't matter what label you wear, we will all suffer the same fate. Be Americans, dump the labels, they are killing us. My brother was approached by some dems doing door to door work, they asked him if he was a democrat, he replied, "no, I am a human." We need to band together as a cohesive whole, if we don't, we will know the consequences of the divide and conquer mentality, because that is exactly what is happening. Note to Kathleen, I answered your remark on the last thread. I try very hard to avoid partisan arguments, and your quick defensiveness is the very reason why.

CHouse,

The democrats have been opposing, but they are at a serious disadvantage because they don't control anything right now. They don't have the supreme court, the white house, or congress. I agree that they need to be more outspoken and try to get the headlines, but Bush's most powerful asset is his control of the media, making it less likely that heads of the democratic party will be able to stay in the news for very long.

What the democrats really need to do is start campaigning like crazy for the next congressional elections. If they can win back congress then their voice will be heard again.

I agree with Hart in principle, but I think that the democrat call to arms should be from someone who opposed the war from the beginning, the others should say they were wrong and fall behind that person. How about New Mexico's governor Richardson? I don't think he supported the war in Iraq, though he was fooled by Bush like the rest of us regarding the information leading up to the war.

Just my 2 cents.

Chad

Antoine, I would like to answer your question. YES, America was responsible for 9/11, but not in the way Chomsky infers. He is too cowardly, in spite of his great intellect, to face the harsh realities of the evidence, and so is Moore. All they have done is keep the great divide intact. Please note, not everyone posting here is a liberal, that is a ridiculously broad brush to paint people with, don't you know that by now?

The Future

"If you want to imagine the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever." George Orwell

"If you want to imagine the future, imagine a boot stamping on your groin forever." Gerald

Here is what I see as America's future. First of all, America is a damned nation. We have problems because of corruption, greed, lies, lack of leadership and rigged elections.

Americans refuse to embrace Shalom.

America has 300 million people who are legal residents and 25 million people who are illegal residents. In 2055 America will have 600 million legal residents and 50 million illegal residents. Patriot Acts can control the people for a time but Americans are an ingenious people who in time will make it miserable for the government.

Lack of leadership is non-existent now. Can you imagine how it will be in 2055? Americans will be like rats in a maze in order for the government to keep the masses under control.

Please embrace Shalom!

Paul Wellstone

The late U.S. Senator said, "Politics is not about power. Politics is not about money. Politics is not about winning for the sake of winning. Politics is about the improvement of people's lives. It's about advancing the cause of peace and justice in our country and in the world. Politics is about doing well for people."

Antoine,

Do you think you are folling anyone with your incogneocon routine?

Political language - and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists - is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
George Orwell (1903 - 1950), 1946

Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
George Orwell (1903 - 1950), 1984 Book 3, Chapter 3

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell (1903 - 1950)

Gary Hart is absolutely right. If there is any hope for the Democratic party, they will listen to what he has said. It is pretty clear that John "skull and bones" Kerry was playing for the other team. Kerry is quietly withdrawing his Ohio recount lawsuit. I think Edwards or Dean might have won in 2004. Think twice before you vote for the candidate the MSM forces down our throats in the next primary. I am uneasy about being force fed Hillary Clinton.

capt. ,

You are the qoutemaster!! I love the last one about speaking the truth in times of universal deceit! I have used that one a lot lately.

These are definitely times of universal deceit.

Corky,

That is the same vapid response you had yesterday. Are you so intellectually bankrupt that you retread old samplers? If you plan to be dull and stupid, at least be original.

Only a fool could misspell the word fool. I am that fool.

1984 was the first adult book I read. I read it in the fourth grade. It has shaped my behaviour ever since.

vapid?

incogneocon!

vapid - insipid

There is nothing in this Universe more intellectually bankrupt and unoriginal than a follower of neoconservatism!

You can take that to the bank!

insipid?

What is the point of using such impressive english and criticizing my limited intellectual prowess when you are here trying to support what is THE DUMBEST POLITICAL MOVEMENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD?

You are trying to build an ivory tower on a mound of soft, steaming, manure.

Re: Voting

Take the time to make the best decision you can.(duh)

Be as objective as you can. Blind partisanship is blind on either side of the fence.

I believe the fix is in and the people have no choice that has not already been chosen but I will vote. If I think a GOPher is right I might vote for them. My voice will speak even if it is not heard.

Spyder mentioned above the importance of local politics and staying engaged. That is very important. Even if the national and federal elections are totally fixed it is harder to fix local politics. City, county and state can matter WAY more than national. We vote on all kinds of local issues here in NM.

A good example is federal funding for our schools. The federal contribution is only a small percentage of the total funding, the largest part comes from local government.

Local roads, taxes, bond issues, etc. will have more profound effect on day to day life.

capt

Corky,

I am not necessarily a supporter of anyone or anything, although I am certainly not a nihilist. We have a current educational system that enslaves poor students and condemns them to a life of hopelessness. We have corporations whose CEO's make, as a multiple of the average earner, fifty times what they used to. We have unfettered government spending that would make even old Democrats blush. We have a President who refuses to allow a brain-dead woman to expire with grace and dignity. We create government programs whose only beneficiaries are their managers. We have a radio chain that steals from inner-city children and old people to feed its operations. We have a Republican Party whose main accusers of Bill Clinton were philanderers themselves. We have created a government system, of every level and party, where only money creates access.

Is this the perfect world? Absolutely not. But I struggle to make it better. I may not agree with you, and vice versa, but we must maintain our lofty goals. Let us make ourselves, in all things, admirable.

Antoine,

I remeber who you are, man. I am a regular to this site I seem to remember you tooting the conservative horn quite loudly in the past. You are an American, so we are in the same boat, I must admit. You are my brother. While I might not agree with what you say, I would defend to the death your right to say it. This new conservative movement is a direct threat to my country. George W. Bush must be stopped.

However it seems to me that certain people are drilling holes in the bottom of our little ship America these days. I cannot tolerate this.

Me no spell good. Me sorry.

Go for it Corky!
Gerald, I love Paul Wellstone and his green bus. He cared for the people he represented. God, if he was alive today. Ohhhhh. It would be lovely.

I have been reading "The Last True Story I'll Ever Tell" by John Crawford. I can not put this book down. It is so good. What a tragic tale so beautifully written. I hope he gets the Pulitzer and the National book award and it all. His testimony is there and it can not be erased. Your mistakes are there George Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld. Your lack of compassion for the soldiers is noticed. Your incompetence was felt every day.
I remember a story once about a little boy who'd been touched by war and his grandmother held him day after day after day after day until the day he had the mental strength to venture away from her and begin his life again. I wish John Crawford the comfort of someone's arms. What we have done. There is no excuse. No excuse. None.

Me wish these things had spell check. Me is the worst speller on the planet.

Thank you Jeanne.

I am feeling a bit warm again. I may need to go sit in the bath tub filled with ice cubes for a while.

They are drilling little holes in the boat, and the put American flags in the holes. The boat is filling with water.

re: spelling

believe it or not I usually compose in "Word" then paste and I STILL mess up my spelling and forget about the wrong words that ARE spelled correctly, I always fail on my own proof-reads.

*sigh*

capt

Dammit. My keyboard must be broken.

I am the idiot of this blog.

HA!

Corky,

You can always tell the piffle posts. Those are the comments on or about our comments.

Meaningless piffle even if from a polite well meaning troll.

IMHO

capt

Me used to have a dictshunnary in toolbar but it is gone now. Me can no find it anymore.

Hey capt. don't you remember Antoine? He used to be a regurgitator of Ken Mehlmans talking points of the week. He has becoming strangely moderate and I am confused. Is he a different Antoine or has he stopped drinking the kool aid?

piffle! That is great!

I gotta go, it is time for my shock treatments.

Speaking of electric shocks, I am definitely going to D.C. on the 24th. I will take a tazer or two for you guys. Peace out.

corky, take everything with a grain of salt! Correct spelling? Who cares! It is the intent that counts. What I look for is honesty, integrity and love for fellow humans, spelling be damned! BTW, PLEASE e-mail me.

David you ignorant slut!

You are touting Gary Hart as a presidantial canditate for your soon to be defunct party? A man who is better known across the country as for his monkey business of partaking of some Rice pudding than being a former senator? The guy has been off the national scene for over 20 years. He is the Bill Clinton America found out about before he became president rather than after. A skirt chasing fool. I notice one of your followers mention Nixon as someone who was defeated and later came back. Hart couldn't carry Nixon's jock strap. I'm no fan of "tricky dicky" but he was Eisenhower,s VP. He is the loser of the "original stolen election" to JFK in 1960. He became governor of California in 1962. He was then elected president in 1968, after Lyndon Johnson couldn't take the heat anymore and retired into oblivion. Name for me anything Gary Hart has done of any great significance since 1984 other than being a national disgrace. As far as I am concerned, please nominate him! Your kool-aid drinkers will second and third that nomination. While you are at it, why not McGovern? A true blue anti-war candidate. Do you think he would still be able to carry one state?

By the way, David, Bush's poll numbers don't matter a bit. He will not be on the ballot in 2008. America was attacked in 2001 and we were at war in 2004 when Bush was re-elected. Did this help your candidate Kerry? They still refer to him as senator. Clinton left office with an approval rating in the mid sixties and where is Al Gore today? They certainly don't refer to him as President Gore!

Nice try David! Have a kool drink on me.

Nice try, have a kool drink on me.

Bartender,
I challenge you. I challenge you to read "The Last True Story I'll Ever Tell" and then I challenge you tell me all the reasons why you think our sons and daughters should have died. There wasn't one good reason. Not one. There is no excuse for this war. There is no reason good enough for the hell these soldiers endured and the hell we put the Iraqi people through.

Liberal Kool-Aid Drinkers
Bar

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Welcome to the Liberal Kool-Aid Drinkers Bar.

The drink of the evening is the "David Corn."

It is yellow in color with a cowardly tinge, has a bitter taste, a conspiratorial aroma and sour bite.

I call it the "PP"

"Prophylactic against Patriotism"

Frequent patrons include:

Gerald gmoscha@sbcglobal.net

capt captainKirk@rock.com

James Ha bushcoDIDit@911murderers.inc.org

What the F**K Hoot@mail.com

Saladin saladinsmith@earthlink.net

Jeanne jeanne2972@yahoo.com

Hajji thajji64@hotmail.com

linac linac@redman.de

geof01 geof01@undebucksparty.com

I am making a "killing" of these drinkers! They are in here every day and they never stop at one drink. I've even started my own "Yellow" cab service. I serve them Kool-Aid and then charge them for a ride home. Nowhere but America could I do this!

Thank you David Corn! Keep mixing your Kool-Aid while I serve it to your loyal consumers.

I really kick some ass. These losers are sish-kabobs on my grill.

Bartender,
I'm assuming you're not taking me up on my challenge.
Anyway, corky, I have an animation for you.
Day009.

Post # 72 is not mine.

Jeanne, how many sons and daughters have you lost
in the war? When I get a chance, I will send you a link to the 3-13 FA Dragons. They are stationed in Iraq. Their commander is William Bryant Miracle. He and I met while going through officer basic training and later served in Germany. While not in the same unit at the time, good friends enough that we visited each other often. My son took his daughter to her senior prom this spring. This after having not seen each other since they were babies.

Military families such as you are witnessing via the MSM Prostitute Sheehan are only a small percentage of the greater military community who believe in this country and the reason for fighting for democracy in the Middle East.

How many sons and daughters have you lost again?
I must have missed that post.

Re the MSM prostitute Cindy Sheehan,

Let's get real here, folks. The femenists wouldn't give her the time of day if she were Anna Kournakova. The MSM prostitute doesn't wear make-up and to be blunt, butt ugly.

Cheers!

Post #75 isn't mine.

Nice try again whoever you are. I believe Cindy is sincere in her grieving over her son but has played the "grief card" too many times in too many places. Thanks mainly to the Liberals across America.

Bartender,

I love how neocons try to make themselves feel better by accusing others of being delusional. Neeoconservatism is nothing but a cult. Of all the stupid dumbass jerks that have visited this blog, you are possibly the most retarded. Up against champions of stupidity like Gare, Tim L. and the other trolls, this is no small feat. Have another drink dumbass, you are gonna need it in 2006. This round's on me, blind follower.

Gary Hart rules!!!
Saladin, capt., Jeanne,hajji,geof,

Good night, my friends. I know it is hard to sleep with a dangerous idiot at the wheel, so try to dream of better days ahead. You are the real patriots, and you know it!!

God Bless America and God Save Us From Neoconservatism!!

Jeanne,

That was a great dose of truth!! It is amazing that so many would continue to ignore the biggest lie that a "president" has ever told the American people. But I geuss there will always be those kind of people, the blind followers. Like the 600 idiots that drank the Jim Jones cocktail. Or the dumbasses that blow themselves up in the name of god. Soon the Al Qaeda retards and the neocons will not be able to tell themselves apart.

Antione;
Hmm. Ass and mental midget, you are a puzzle to be sure. I did like the quote, but Cyrano in response to being called puerile is dangerous is it not. He was at his most dangerous when people pointed out the obvious.

These quotes, no I asked you for attribution. You claim they have said them, why must I make the effort, as I said to often it's a deliberate distortion. If it is not why can't you present the website? You do have cheek to comment on rigor after being asked for the citations to say look it up for yourself.

Guttural, I do not think that word means what you think it means. Syphilitic is clearly not guttural, sibilant perhaps, but not particularly throaty.

#75 Slandering Cindy Sheehan is like kicking a kitten. Keep it up guys, there are only 36% of you left! America is beginning to see you for what you really are, Lucifers little helpers.

#79 John Benson,

Antoine is the incogneocon!

Corky!

Forgot about you. Do you think I need to add you to the site? "Gary Hart Rules!"???? Please nominate him Corky, please. Please urge your CornGod to start the drum beat for his nomination. Are you really trying to say that the Democrat party has fallen so far that they would nominate a "male slut" in 2008 that they themselves threw out in 1984? And Liberals now refer to themselves as Progressive. I guess that makes sense in your mind. Sort of like the recent news, babies in the womb don't feel pain until the 8th month. Hell, even PETA says fish feel pain! Count yourself a Progressive, Corky.
Bill Clinton felt your pain, at least after he was in the 8th month of gestation.

All you conservatives are so preoccupied with dirty sex scandals. No wonder you always run the country into the ground. Another democrat will come to balance the budget and fix all of your dumb screw ups again. Until then maybe you can lie to yourself about how much money it takes to fill your gas tank. Fool.

One would think that with all of Bush's troubles, the progressives would be lapping the field, popularity-wise. Yet they are still considered the lunatic fringe, because they offer no serious alternative.

If you want to vent, by all means continue doing what you are doing. You insure Republican rule for the next millenium. Children rant and grownups cannot take them seriously, no matter how earnest the message.

There are a lot of good posts, good arguments, good logic here, but some of you folks are just silly. As I have undoubtedly done myself on numerous occasions, I have the absolute right to make a fool out of myself. So do you, but merely having the right doesn't mean you have to employ it with every utterance.

Bartender,

1 800 USA ARMY! Call now and really do something to support your sick depraved movement. Thanks to Emperor Bush's lies, nobody will join up. They are so hard up, they may overlook your mental retardation. Call now chickenhawk!

Oooh, Mr. Bartender thinks he's a big man. Go away loser.

Corky,

Been there, done that. 3 years active duty, 6 years inactive reserve. Coming up on 20 years now. You? And you have the nerve to call me chickenhawk? Is it really dorky, quirky or porky? Get real!

If you want to see silly, look around you! This country is totally bizarre! Silly is destroying your own country while you wave the American flag around! Silly is supporting an illegal war and not joining the Army! Silly is wasting your time in this blog by trying to annoy people who ignore you!

Were you in Bush's unit? Re enlist now chickenhawk, they could use your alleged experience!

Every chickenhawk that comes in here claims he was on the beach in Normandy! Prove it chickenhawk! What was your unit?

Hello?

Hello?

"Get real"

Were the WMD's in Iraq real?

Sorry for the late response, Porky. I thought you were ignoring me according to your last post. I was a 13C with the 1/9 FA, Fort Sill, Oklahoma. You?

So it would be easy for you to re enlist?

I have diabetes, I can't join the military. I am forced to stay here and give most of my meager paycheck to Bush's pharmacuetical buddies.

If you wer indeed in the service I must reluctantly apologize and offer my respect for your service. That does not change the fact that you have bee an abusive jerk.

Act in haste repent in leisure.

You claim they have said them, why must I make the effort, as I said too often it's a deliberate distortion.

All insults and barbs aside, if you find them offensive direct me to the original source, or a definitive source at least. I choose to believe you earnest, I don't particularly desire to change that opinion.

Hey Dorky!

6 straight post devoted to me? And I am an outsider who is ignored? I would add you to the Kool-Aid site but that would give you more attention than you deserve. After all, you've spent mostof the last half hour of your life on me and still haven't told me when you served. Are you really the chickenhawk? Truth hurts!

You have reciprocated my waste of time with your own timewasting, soldier. I never claimed to have been in the military, abusive jerk. The truth has set me free!

Chickenhawks are people that cry for warfare from the safety of thier cushy rich guy existence. That is not me.

Did they not teach you respect in the service?

Bushbot, you wouldn't have the balls to debate Cindy Sheehan in person so you have to call her a whore behind her back. You are a bigger loser than Bartender.

Corky,

Just caught your last post after I posted my last. Sorry for your diabetes. I hope that it is something that you are able to control. I have seen what that can do to too many people close to me. You are no chickenhawk. I would never have asked proof of you regarding your service had you said you served, why did you automatically doubt mine?

Click on the losers name, you can read his opinion of you and me.

You guys keep posting to pathetic piffle posting trolls, I hope you all are having a blast. I for one have no interest is reading their crap so I read past their piffle posts and do no feed them.

You only beg them to come back by posting to them.

They like to play games posting as others and changing their position to suit their argument. They argue about a word or phrase to suit themselves.

Check out the site at:

http://koolaiddrinkers.zoomshare.com/

This in clearly institutional trolling. The troll is posting his/hers/its ability to slay those Corn posters.

That makes the intent to come here as CLEARLY not a political discussion or a sharing of ideas, it is only a juvenile jerk trying to create bragging rights.

If you guys think there is a discussion going on with these jerks you are sadly mistaken. Their purpose here is to create bragging rights as "I am making a "killing" of these drinkers! They are in here every day and they never stop at one drink. I've even started my own "Yellow" cab service. I serve them Kool-Aid and then charge them for a ride home. Nowhere but America could I do this! "

We are just the trolls entertainment and you are playing their game if you post anything to them.

We should all do each other a favor and stop posting to the trolls. They are not sincere nor are they seriously considering ANYTHING you say.

What is the use. They manage to disrupt the thread by making you reply to their un-serious posts. To them it is like a drinking game. My guess is that they are generally surprised that anybody replies to their piffle.

Check out the site, draw your own conclusions. It is very telling. It is more like an altar to the "killing" of the Corn blog Koolaid drinkers" like WE are the delusional ?

PLEASE, PLEASE quit posting to these jerks.

Just think, this is WAY beyond simple innocent trolling. When given the opportunity to make a website about his/hers/its interests, the primary interest is bragging rights about how he/she or it is killing us with their ace ability to prevaricate are provoke.

A little scary it you ask me. The website my friends is about us. That is their primary interest? All about the Corn bloggers?

Anybody can post anything, that has been the tradition on the Corn blog. We are not bound by a rule that says if the trolls are outrageous enough we must "set them straight". You are not setting them anything but booking a return trip for them to entertain themselves next time.

We have no control over what they post but we can control what we read and what rises to the level of genuine and sincere political discourse.

Do you really want to encourage a psycho? Because you cannot help yourself from replying to their dribble?

I have said it before, with the thousands of posts to the trolls how many have you converted or even convinced? How many times have you provided a fact that they just disregard or ignore?

How many times have you gotten a single iota of respect from a troll? Ever?

Just a thought

capt

Thank you Capt. They got my Irish up. Even though I don't post regulary. I read almost everything. I am so sick and tire of their hit and run tactics, but you are right and I have even said the same thing myself. Thanks again.

There are many people who come here and poke at us. I poke at them back. I have survived 22 years with this disease because I am a fighter. I reflect back what people dish out. We are both Americans and we both love our country. While I might not agree with what you say, I would defend to the death your right to say it. I think that I am not the typical "liberal" you seem to think I am. We have both assumed too much. My grandfather recieved a distinguished flying cross for his bravery in WW2. I would not dishonor his memory by cxalling you a chickenhawk, if you are indeed a soldier. I retract my remarks and apologize.

But I still think you are a jerk.

Corky,

Re post 98 & 99. I know you are responding to my #97 post. I am sincere in my 101 post and you can
take my word on that. To be quite honest, you were spouting some of the words I've heard soldiers say to each other in bars, etc. Where did you serve, who with and when? It is often a comical challenge and that is where I thought you were coming from when you asked. I was never challenging you because I had no idea if you served or not. Your challenge to me sounded like what I have heard from fellow soldiers throughout the years who want to try to impress with their "superior" service over others who have surved as well. Only to find out they made a false assumption.

As far as I am concerned,let's devote some energy to finding a cure for that diabetes you have. I do not have it but I am at risk if family history as any indication of a persons chances. From what I have I read, it is.

I am with you capt.
Corky, how about you? We can have good outragous discussions without them.
Did I spell that right?

Corky,

I can accept jerk. That is your opinion. You aren't challenging who I am, only giving your opinion of me. Funny, my 105 post contradicts capt's 102 post. I am sincere in my regards to your diabetes. It is a debilitating disease that inflicts too many people in this world.

Regarding your grandfather, I am as thankful for his service to our country as I know you are proud. Two weeks ago, my two small son's got to meet their great grandfather who served in WWII.
The stories and the pictures of him showing them his various medals and accommodations and describing what they were for are priceless. He was never glorifying the war, nor was he boasting of his accomplishments. As a matter of fact, you could tell he was holding back a lot. A lot that I had heard before. Your grandfather and my childrens great grandfather and those men and women who served with them, overseas and well as what they did here at home, deserve respect and admiration. I am no longer a child but you should have seen the wide eyes on my children as they listened to their great granddads stories. I share this with you Corky, only because I believe you have heard some of those things before from your grandfather. Never bragging, never boasting, never building themselves up. Hesitant to talk about their experience, but how can you say no to a child who asks what this medal was for or this or that?

All this name calling and finger pointing only serves to further the aim of the NWO elite. Keep it up.

Hey Jeanne,

capt. always gives me crap for arguing with them. I just can't help it. I visited the aforementioned "website". It is a barren ghosttown. I think Mr. Bartender believes he is helping his country. But he has given me food for thought. I like to argue, and listen to those who do not agree with me. Debate and freedom of speech are as American as apple pie.
I m gonna go have a beer, you take care, and maybe I will come in tomorrow and fight with the Neocons some more. Somebody should.

Santorum Machine Exposed

This is a good article about Rick Santorum. How did a junior republican get into a position of such power? Because he a good "Christian". This country is turning into a Theocracy.

Here's another one...this time about clean elections programs in action.

Judge OKs removal of legislator

If Pennsylvania had a Clean Elections Committe, Santorum would probably not be in business either.

We can have good outrageous discussions.

Jeeze, we all disagree about enough stuff to keep the Corn blog from becoming an echo chamber.

The trolls are just not sincere and I hate seeing them make a fool of you by goading you to respond to somebody that takes any response as a point for their side.

Then I see a website that only concerns us, names our handles and email address? And that person comes here to . . . what. . have a real conversation? PLEASE.

If that is not weird enough to make you take pause, nothing will.

capt

Check this out!

Every step you take, every move you make, they'll be watching you

Corky,

Helping our country by making a website to list our info?

The person is a psycho.

To each their own but you do not have to read their posts, you choose to do so. Do not blame that on the trolls what you read and respond to is your choice and your responsibilty.

The trolls (even if they were not psycho) are just play with you on David's dime, burning up bandwidth and polluting our blog to just for their entertainment.

If you are having fun then more power to you but I do not even read the posts from trolls because it is just a waste of time.

capt

sorry capt. will you forgive me?

Don't worry about the website capt. The only comments were posted by me.

I gotta get some sleep. I just can't sit down and take crap from people.

Bartender,

You dont seem so bad, you jerk. These guys are not so bad either. I don't drink kool aid, I prefer Miller Lite.

It's funny. Hart writes an excellent editorial telling the liberal hawks to own up to their mistakes and present a foreign policy with a semblance of sanity, and the best the wingnuts can come up with is that - hold on to your hats -this SCOUNDREL likes pussy!

I suspect the wingnuts are afraid that Hart's plain talk may appeal to swing voters, and so, of course, we have to hear about "teh sex."

What is it with wingnuts and their obsession with the sex lives of others. Well, that is, unless we're talking about the sex life of a right-wing homosexual man-whore plant in the press room...or perhaps a gay RNC party chairman...or a gay right-wing political operative who marries his partner in Massachesetts after such a marriage is legalized.

Hmmm...anyone else beginning to notice a pattern here?

Corky,

Your last post came on after mine. I am sincere regarding what I posted. I believe you and I can have a discussion regardless of where we stand on an issue.

I am not going to attack your fellow poster "capt" tonight. "koolaiddrinkers" is a free website that only takes 5 minutes to set up. It is done with humor in mind, not hatred.
As a matter of fact, I encourage all of you to set up your own blogs. There are plenty of free sites out there and David may not be discussing a subject of interest to you. When his comments issue occurred, you all could have easily met elsewhere.

Take care, Corky!

IM sorry!!

I just do not like the assertion that Democrats are wimps. You must stand up to a bully sometimes. I have given lots of bloody noses to lots of bullies.

Don't worry about the website, capt. It is silly.

G night

Corky,

"Natural Lite," since 1976. Although, I will admit a Miller was the first beer I ever drank.

Goodnight!

Here are some good discussion topics for you - back to the criminals and liars that control the White House, Congress and soon the Supreme Court...and the MSM that is enabling the liars...

“Time editors were concerned about becoming part of such an explosive story in an election year.” Meaning they didn't want to influence the election by exposing the lies - but isn't that what journalism supposed to do? Time Magazine aided and abetted criminal behavior which if exposed would have brought down Bush.

L.A.Times' Offers Mammoth Piece On Plame Leak

And here is another related article...

TIME magazine tried to influence the 2004 election to Bush's favor

Psychos do not bug me a bit Corky and you have done nothing that needs an apology.

I just hate to see any one of my friends being made a fool of by a jerk.

If you enjoy the snarkfest then snark it shall be. I could care less about the website put up by some crazy. I just think it really exposes the intent and that is to play, not discuss. I for one will not play.

capt

Captain,

You complain about "trolls" invading your website and making a fool out of you. But it is so easy and so much fun. Especially you, who are afraid to engage in colloquy. At least Saladin and Corky and all the rest are willing to give as good as they get; you, kind sir, are an intellectual coward.

It must be terrible to suffer from terminal room temperature IQ.

Shalom

Here is what America and the world needs in order to attain peace and justice on our planet for all of God's children. Here is also what I believe God wants for His children and His vision for the world.

Shalom translated means peace but it is much more than peace. Shalom is a vision of social wholeness; a state of well being for all, where everyone has access to the goods of creation intended to meet the needs of all. Shalom is the substance of the biblical vision of one community embracing all creation where all enjoy the resources that make communal harmony joyous and effective.

Shalom is nothing less than God's intended vision of the world, a dream of God that resists our tendencies for division, hostility, fear, lust, and misery. If there is to be well-being, it will not be just for the isolated and insulated individuals, it is security and prosperity granted to the whole community-the poor, the widow, the orphan, the immigrant, the tax collector and the sinner, the despised and the rejected, young and old, the have and the have nots, the powerful and the dependent. We are in it together. Together we stand before God's blessings and together we receive the gift of life. Shalom comes only to the inclusive embracing community that excludes no one.

Don #115

It is not about "sex!" I will explain it to you the way I would explain it to my 1st grade child.

If you were running for the nomination of the Democrat Party and really wanted some Rice pudding, but knew that if you got caught eating the Rice pudding, it could cost you the nomination. Would you eat the Rice pudding?

Or:

If you were running for the nomination of the Democrat Party, were the front-runner against a loser named Walter Mondale, who was a VP under the patheric leadership of Jimmy Carter who was trounced by the current President Reagan in 1980, and wanted to eat Rice pudding but knew that if you were caught eating the Rice pudding, it would cost you the nomination. Would you eat the Rice pudding, with the knowledge that you could eat all the Rice pudding you what when you became president?

I'm not faulting Hart for what he did, just when he did it!

Odd that when these loser trolls are busted for being petty or juvenile or psycho it is always the mea culpa "I was trying to be funny?"

Please, if you think the crap you post here is funny or the motivation to make a page about the Corn blog regulars is even close to funny or in the realm of normalcy I ask one simple question:

Why are you posting here? Does that not make you the resident trolls and is that what you aspire to?

You not serious (you were just trying to make a funny) you are not sincere (unless it is about a posters health) you are not informative (sniping does nothing to elevate the commentary) and you have no comment about David's post (the actual purpose of DAVID's blog).

So just what are you and why would you come here and come back ahang around with a bunch of losers who you only express disrespect and contempt?

Nevermind. You just are not worth the type I have offered already.

"I am not going to attack your fellow poster "capt" tonight"

See the intention? To attack?

The troll can post anything he chooses, but there can be no attack on me and when the troll trys to I will not respond and the troll will get bored with me and attack the poster most likely to respond.

capt

Hey captainkirk

Nice to see some thoughts of your own instead of an amen to David or a cut and paste of some article by another Liberal with your proverbial "amen." Sorry, didn't mean to offend you with that amen. Happy Holidays!

Are we having fun Antoine or what? And to think capt is taking this all so seriously when he takes the pen name of a make believe captain on a make believe ship in the make believe future. I guess, in capt's eyes, we are Klingons! Whatever they are, if it makes capt mad, I'm all for it!

Capt,
I meant outragous discussions without the trolls. Nothing more than that. We all bring history to this site. Bartender brings a military background that he doesn't want blemished. I understand that. My father was a Black Cat in WWII. He was a navy pilot. I often wonder what he would think today if he understood what was going on. It breaks my heart that this president has divided this country so much.
My father could not understand why I so against the Viet Nam war. He didn't know that I saw the shadow of WWII in his eyes every day. I knew he carried a burden.
I have a friend who has two sons who are Marines and I know that if they come back in one piece they will have that same shadow of war in their eyes. For what? The cause is not a noble one. It isn't.

Gerald, I truly respect your belief in God and your desire for a peaceful world, but your interpretation of who "God" is and what his or her intended vision of the world is - is just that - your own interpretation. The problem is that most of the world's injustice is done in the name of "God". I distrust almost everyone - not you - that uses "God"s name and peace in the same sentence. How can I not when war is all around us and has been brought upon us because of people's conflicting belief in "God"?

Scotty,

Beam capt up! He's become a danger to us and our mission. Regarding the "attack." I was referring to your obvious attack on me. I wish you no harm captain kirk. For I know, should you not be able to fulfill your duties, Spock may take over.

As far as my sincerity, why not let Corky decide that? I am sure by what I told him, he will be able to tell. Are there any such stories as mine that you could impart to Corky? This is not a challenge. It is really quite simple. People who have served in the military or have had family members who have served can tell when the stories they tell to others actually are real. Funny capt, I didn't cut and paste my post to Corky from anywhere. Go ahead and Google my story. Bet you won't find it anywhere!

Nothing personal, Capt!

"Bartender brings a military background that he doesn't want blemished."

First, I was only answering the "did I spell it right" outrageous has the e. That was all. I knew you meant with trolls.

Second every troll that has ever been on this board (especially the teenagers) claims a military background and they are most always lying.

If the troll was a vet he would be WAY more respectful. I have never known a vet that was not (well maybe one).

capt

Bartender,
Start having honest conversations or stop posting. This nit picking makes you frivilous. Hagel calls Iraq a quagmire. Well, guess what, America is a quagmire. We are a divided nation. Honest discussion is necessary. A real honest look at our place in time is necessary. When I challenged you to read "The Last True Story I'll Ever Tell" it wasn't to get your goat. It was because it was a fellow soldiers account. He deserves respect. I don't know how he survived that hell. He ended up coming back here and becoming homeless. That is not an uncommon thing. If I seem passionate it is because when a man honors the uniform, the country should honor him. And Goeorge Bush and co are not honoring these soldiers. GWB doesn't care. I hate to break this to you. He's a greedy bastard. Now, if you want to post some bitchy post, you go ahead but I think the country needs honesty.

Capt,

Ex-military and current military personnel show respect to those who deserve it. You have not shown me one reason why I should display any ouce of respect toward you other than I think you are very funny and are the last thing I would ever consider a threat to this country. Dinasaurs have been extinct for sometime. You must be a roach. If I didn't respect the sanctity of life, I would step on you. Be that as it may, we both have to live in this vast expanse we call Earth. I would defend with my life your right to say what you want to say, anytime and anywhere. Except, when your words may endanger others. Can you say the same thing, Capt?

Capt,
you continue to enlighten me. Maybe that's why you're the captain. If I was interested in going back for my masters I think I would consider this subject. It's crazy.

Bolton throws UN summit into chaos

Bush's envoy demands 750 changes to reorganisation plans

Julian Borger in Washington
Friday August 26, 2005
The Guardian

John Bolton, Washington's new ambassador to the United Nations, has called for wholesale changes to a draft document due to go before a UN summit next month aimed at reshaping the world body.

Mr Bolton, a long-standing UN critic who was given a temporary appointment by George Bush three weeks ago after the United States Senate failed to agree on his nomination, has proposed 750 amendments to the draft and called for immediate talks on them.

The Bolton amendments, published in the US press, seek to play down the emphasis given to alleviating poverty, and expunge all references to the millennium development goals, including the target for wealthy countries to donate at least 0.7 % of national income to the developing world. America currently gives less than 0.2% in such aid.

The changes would also scrap provisions in the draft calling for action against global warming, and remove endorsements of the international criminal court and the comprehensive test-ban treaty - both of which are opposed by the Bush administration.

Instead, Washington is pushing for more emphasis on international measures against terrorism and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

*****end of clip*****

Anybody wonder why Bunnypants needed Bolton in the UN post haste?

Chaos is necessary to deflect meaningful concerns.

capt

Antione said:
One would think that with all of Bush's troubles, the progressives would be lapping the field, popularity-wise.

Now that is hard to argue. I take exception to the next sentence though; it's really hard to offer any rational alternative to some of these things. Look at intelligent design, how can you offer a serious alternative; the best argument I've seen is to substitute both Newtonian gravitation, and Einstein with Intelligent Falling. The gaps and wholes in those two are pretty well established as well.

However, I'd like to see a serious proposal that actually had to have a serious alternative presented. So far what we get is PR, and Astroturf movements. I'm sorry if I offended you, but I'm tired of people saying, "liberals think this." Perhaps some do, but plenty of the '60's radicals that the conservatives like to hold up as evil liberals are now conservatives, and some of them are even leaders of the movement.

I'm no nihilist either, but I submit it would be easier if nothing were real.

Jeanne,

Your children, who died in this war. Tell us their story. I am ex-military. If you have had a child die in this war like you posted before, I will be able to tell by the stories your children told you of their service to this country. Please share that with your fellow bloggers.

kind of ironic Hart posts this piece just a few days after it was announced his law firm is being closed. although it's easy to agree with Hart's premise and his views, is he not just as cowardly as the rest of his party by hiding behind an opinion piece in a forum that really does not get many eyes anymore? why doesn't Hart come forward and vocalize his views in a more visible and public forum, beginning with maybe Maher's show, CNN, FoxNews??? He's an overcooked limp noodle just like he was when he couldn't deflect the Monkey Business problem when he ran for President.

I think part of the strategy with John Bolton's appointment was to simply stall all progress. The UN needs to plan around him I guess. What do you do?

That's it capt! Ignore me and the most original thought posting against me and my ilk of your entire life and go back to cutting and pasting and issuing your proverbial "brown nose."

Your twin was a character on another make believe show in the 70's. His name was Mork!

NaNuNaNu

Al Qaeda Claims Responsibility for Pat Robertson

by Comrade Che on 23 August, 2005

Washington, DC - A videotape aired earlier today in Islamabad by the popular television program Good Morning, Pakistan featured Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden claiming responsibility for remarks made by Pat Robertson.

"In our objective to destabilize the Infidel Lands of the United States, we have sought to disrupt the United State's relationship with its neighbors, as well as the rest of the world," says a man on the video whom the Pentagon believes to be Osama Bin Laden. "We are pleased to have brought the world to this era, and we thank Pat Robertson for doing what he can to support our cause. Even if we differ on theological points of view, we must acknowledge his good work in dividing Christians and Muslims. God is great."

The videotaped announcement was released only hours after Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

*****end of clip*****

Rat Pobertson "Radical Cleric" working for OBL spreading the message of eternal salvation by early termination and sharing love by hating the bad people.

Can you feel the love? HA!

capt

Bill #137,

is he not just as cowardly as the rest of his party by hiding behind an opinion piece in a forum that really does not get many eyes anymore?

Really? The Washington Post doesn't get that many eyes anymore?

I'll bet Kerry, HRC, Biden, and Liebermann read it. It may as well be addressed to them.

Arnie's popularity plummets as Californians tire of his reform pledges

Dan Glaister in Los Angeles
Friday August 26, 2005
The Guardian

The honeymoon is over for California's governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger. The bodybuilder-turned-actor-turned-politician is facing plummeting popularity.

An opinion poll this week showed Mr Schwarzenegger with an approval rating of only 34% - a 31-point drop in the past year.

This puts him even lower than President George W Bush, who won an approval rating of 38% from Californians interviewed for the survey.

Mr Schwarzenegger tried to gloss over the dismal ratings in a series of radio interviews.

*****end of clip*****

Sounds like Arnold is not going to run for president after all? He is polling lower than Bush? WOW, I tip my hat to those in California (my birth state) for waking up.

capt

A little prayer or positive thoughts for the people of Florida. The hurricane is not suppose to be as bad as some but a hurricane always exacts its toll.

capt

Don #141

if it took a guy like David Corn 24 hours to read Hart's piece, how can you expect that very many people bothered to read it period? And why try to light a fire under the ass of the folks you listed? they are worthless elitists who are too busy looking in the mirror and admiring themselves.

Note to Capt:

George W. Bush was not responsible for the hurricane.

Bartender, I wholeheatedly agree with you that Capt's words against his country (America?) puts the lives of troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan in danger.

An you made an excewllent analysis of him being in a "different world". He still thinks the 2004 presidential election was stolen and that Kerry really won! Is this guy unbelievable or what!? Rather than ADMITTING the reasons why the democrats got their asses kicked was because their message does not resonate with the majority of Americans, he instead denies Bush won.

I wonder what it must be like to live in a world where your hatred of a man consumes you? Capt, what's your answer?

I urge anybody with a desire to hear what our vets and active military are saying take a trip over to:

http://www.operationtruth.com/

It is not left or right, pro or anti Bush.

You will not find posers or fakers there. They pull any posers like weeds. You cannot fool those in the military and I have read a few funny stories. Some very interesting perspectives and the source is bona fide.

capt

Tim L, re your post #145

Don't expect a response to your your post from Capt. After all, he is somewhere in the year 2525(a Zager & Evans song from the 70's, no doubt dedicated to Star Trek) piloting his mighty enterprise in search of like-minded articles he can cut & paste to make his argument for him. He ignores trolls. Seems like we will be around for a long time if we are still in capt's world or is it really his state of mind?

Capt, a challenge to you. Request that David ban
posts on his site which disagree with his view. Let us really see what a Liberal believes when it comes to free speech. It can be done. David?

Here's another one Capt.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/082405Z.shtml

This one is by Karpinski. She is telling what she knows about Abu Ghraib.

My Response to George as He Speaks from His Vacation Away from His Vacation

Cindy Sheehan | August 23, 2005

"President Bush charged Tuesday that anti-war protesters like Cindy Sheehan who want troops brought home immediately do not represent the views of most U.S. military families and are 'advocating a policy that would weaken the United States.'"

Bringing our troops home from the quagmire that he has gotten us into will be weakening the United States? George: even if you pretend you didn't know that Saddam did not have weapons of mass destruction and Iraq was not threat to the USA before you invaded, Americans know differently. We have read the reports and the Downing Street Memos.

We know you had to "fit the intelligence around the policy" of invading Iraq. I want to know what your real reasons were.

"In brief remarks outside the resort where he is vacationing, Bush gave no indication that he would change his mind and meet with Sheehan after he returns to his Texas ranch Wednesday evening. Sheehan lost a son in Iraq and has emerged as a harsh critic of the war."

I will be back in Crawford, George: Even closer to you now in Camp Casey II. Why don't you channel some courage from my son and come down and face me. Face the truth. Your house of cards built on smoke and mirrors is crumbling and you know it.

"Sheehan has been maintaining a vigil outside Bush's ranch, a demonstration that has been joined by more and more other anti-war protesters."

Because I am not the only one in America who wants the answers, America wants the answers.

"Bush said that two high-ranking members of his staff already met with her earlier this month and that he met with her last year."

I didn't go to Crawford to meet with Steven "Yellow cake uranium liar" Hadley or the other "high-ranking" official they sent out. I went to meet with George. Does he get that yet? I did meet with him 10 weeks after his insane and arrogant Iraq war policies killed Casey and 9 weeks after I buried my oldest child. George: things are different between you and I now.

"'I've met with a lot of families,' Bush said. 'She doesn't represent the view of a lot of families I have met with.'"

I never said I did. I want one answer: What is the "noble cause" MY son died for. There are also dozens, if not hundreds of families from all over the country who want to know the same thing.

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