Thanks Mr Corn!!

I guess you have made it!! You are now officially a focal point for the neoconservative rage machine. I have watched the Bill O' Reilly show on occasion. Much the same way I might look at a horrible car accident. I watch Mr. ""no spin zone"" until I hear something that I know is an ouright lie. The most time I have wasted listening to Bill's unrealistic ranting is about 4 minutes. I am also very afraid that my television might begin spinning and fly across the room, there is no lack of spin there.

A trademark of this new conservative movement is to label whatever it is that you are doing the direct opposite of what it actually is. For instance: compassionate conservatism, moral values, culture of life, liberal media bias, and of course ""the no spin zone"". Hitler's big lie theory in action. Unfortunately there is always some troublesome fellow like David Corn trying to point out the truth. When someone does that, it is time to attack and smear.

You made BO's sh*t list! I'm so proud of you, David, so proud...

Bill O'Rielly is now announcing the names of people at the end of his show that he considers ""terrorist helpers""! Oh yeah, he has lost it. I think that it is damaging to ones mind to spend to much time in the ""no spin zone"".

Do you think he will name Karl Rove as a ""terrorist helper""?

Closing a prison won't put an end to the torture
Monday, August 01, 2005
Robert Weiner and Emma Dick
Calls to close the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay have diverted attention from what we should be concerned about - the policies that have made both Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib infamous. [...]

[...]The orders to torture came from the top down. In the pyramid of power, first and foremost was President George W. Bush's Jan. 25, 2002, executive order disavowing the Geneva Conventions for the ""new"" kind of war we are fighting. Moreover, then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzalez assisted in writing the 2002 memo, which also asserted that the Geneva Conventions - respected worldwide - were ""quaint"" and ""obsolete."" Last May, before all our eyes in televised hearings, Department of Defense Undersecretary for Intelligence Dr. Stephen Cambone, who coordinates Defense intelligence policy, sat on the panel and visibly waived off and interrupted key parts of Major General Antonio Taguba's testimony before the U.S. Senate on the depth of abuses.

Army prison guards and wardens have stated that they often had to yield their turf to Defense intelligence operations, and then the torture occurred. A June 25, 2004, memo between the FBI and Defense gave instructions to two generals: ""DOD has their marching orders from the Sec Def"" about policies in the torture-questioning of prisoners, and Rumsfeld ""did not prevent them from continuing the methods.""

No matter where these prisons are, so long as our policy is the same, torture will take place. A report earlier this year found that the CIA has been operating a Boeing 747 jet that shuttles suspected terrorists to locations throughout the globe for interrogations. The United Nations is investigating ""very serious allegations"" of U.S. torture of prisoners on secret warships, according to Agence FrancePress, and the British newspaper the Observer reports continued torture by the current Iraqi government. [...] More...

Nothing quite as slimy as torture in our names, but Bill O'Reilly does come close. And John Bolton is off to the U.N. to deal with those nasty ""very serious allegations"" - we can't have any nosey parkers looking into our business...

So many lies and scandals, and so little time‡

I think O'Reilly is like a wild bull in a tall field of Corn! He can't stand you being right and left at the same time!

Sworn statements of Abu Ghraib detainees.

These documents, obtained by The Washington Post, are the offical English translations of previously secret sworn statements by detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Some of the names have been withheld from these statements by washingtonpost.com because they are alleged victims of sexual assault. These files are in PDF format.

Come on Robert, you know those Islamaniacs are notorious liars! And we should nuke em all, because, because, well, just because!!

Mr. David Corn,

"Even after the past two years proved I was more right than he was on the issue of WMDs and Iraq. I had not fallen for the Bush administration's WMD claims. "

I love it. The Bill is just hurt by an off-hand comment. Re: loofa? If I remember correctly.

You are clearly in the right group. BO thinks he is a journalist but alas he is just an actor and not a very good actor at that.

If the posts from the teenagers out of class for summer are any indicator, the hate from the Reich-wing is fresh and abundant. A bumper crop of hate and invective this summer as Rove spins on a spit.

Kudos

Kirk

In 1972, my brother came home gloating about Nixon's landslide victory over McGovern. Expecting me to be floored he exclaimed that only 35% of the popular vote was for McGovern.

I couldn't have been more pleased, having expected that far more Americans had their heads up the big Doofus Ass.

I said he was a crook and the whole lot of them were going down. "You're crazy and on pot". They drafted me and I sent the SS my rejection letter. "You're crazy and on drugs". The FBI came to visit me and asked what I meant that "Special Agent ....., or myself can kiss the US Attorney on the ass?" Makes sense to me. I visited the DOJ Prosecutor and he offers me the army without a gun. "You must think I'm crazy and on drugs!" Nixon went down with everyone else. Even John Mitchell's wife ratted them out. I was arraigned on federal charges and the trial came up real quick, mu right I guess. My lawyer told me "You're crazy and must be smoking pot. Know where I can score?"

Six months later I walked free and they went down hard. So today we have the closest thing to totalitarianism since Stalin, but these guys are going to smoke. Bolton, Cindasleezy, Cheney, Rove, Shrub, the two little weasels that fed lies to the press. If you push too hard on the swing it goes over the top. These guys are way over the top and they don't get it, too much and all the motion goes the other way.

Anyone think I'm crazy?

Ingraham, O'Reilly and Me

Posted 06/15/2004 @ 3:40pm

On the subject of conservative talk-show hosts who go ballistic, I see that Bill O'Reilly has apologized to my pal Molly Ivins for having called her a socialist. That dustup appears to have led my Nation colleague Eric Alterman to hire a lawyer and demand that O'Reilly retract his claim that Alterman was "another Fidel Castro confidant." Alterman notes that last month he signed a public rebuke of Castro and the "brute repression" of his dictatorship.

Looks like a trend is developing. Should I catch the wave, too? (It probably would help sell more copies of my book.) When I appeared on O'Reilly's show in January 2003, he called me a "a left-wing, liberal, pinko communist." Any good red-baiter knows that there is no such thing as a liberal communist. So I'll give O'Reilly a pass on this one. But if he ever links me to President Hu Jintao of China, I'm calling my lawyer.

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See what you get for giving him a pass?

capt

Bill Who? I watched him a few times, for about 3 minutes. I just loved Al Franken's ""Lies...."" book. How can they afford to keep him on?

Cindasleezy chose to be a republican after Jimmy screwed up Afghanistan when the the russians invaded? Everytime she finished in the oval office it was her lighting up the cigars.

Shouldn't our secretary of state know that the russians invaded Afghan because of the CIA presence there. Maybe I just made that one up, or maybe it was from a statement of fact by Z. Brzinski, who preceded her as National Security Advisor under Carter.

The whole show started in the 70's with Kissinger and Rumsfeld. They assf**ked America when Iran revolted. They sabotaged the rescue of the hostages. They kept them imprisoned until Reagans first 1/2 hour in office. They put all the power in Iraq and waged an eight year war, selling off Central America with the profits. They took the cost of oil up a few notches then, and again over the last two years. Who else was playing us out in the seventies? Negroponte and GHW Bush. Want the full list of players? google the PNAC and each of its signed members, then check out their backgrounds.

Where was Kissinger on 911? Where is he today? How did he cause the deaths of 30,000 americans and 2,000,000 Vietnamese and Cambodians. Why would he care about 2800 lives on 911 or 1776 deaths in Iraq? His security policies since the 60's have ravaged 5 continents and been the catalyst for 40 million deaths.

The minute that Kennedy won the 1960 election these hyenas have been on the scent for the kill. They're feasting on blood and oil today, but they push the swing too far.

capt 11. Maybe BO found the link to Corn and the Chinese and that's why he's so hostile.

gotta spend some QT with the oldest child.

Kids,

Oh, how I've missed you children. I was in the (actual) cornfields of Sullivan, Indiana this weekend after three days of trying to correct the wrongs of the US Army, (changing leave days, thereby screwing a couple hundred soldiers who'd already purchased non-changeable, non-refundable $1118 plane tix)spending $200 just on gas to get Spc. Spanky to the loving arms of his loving blonde cheerleader in his hometown and me back to mine, $150 to my viet-vet for feeding the animals (and loving them like they've never been loved!)

Thanks to Delta's customer service, we got him to Hotlanna, even though we had to shell out another Grand, but are getting a refund for the original purchase...Delta knows one HELL of a lot more about ""Supporting the Troops"" than any motherfucker supporting sending them out to get themselves "blowed-up for Bush"!

Anywhoo...good to be back. I've got a shit-load of glowing "Thank you" letters to write to Delta...and I'll be having MORE fun writing the ones to a certain Commanding Officer, my Senators (fuckin' morons) the Inspector General of the US Post Office (who lost the registered, insured, guaranteed 3-day international delivery 1st tickets in the beginning of this debacle, anyway!) but now I've got to work 12hrs tomorrow and 16 on Wednesday, so I can't drink the proper amount of White Horse Scotch I need to truly express myself, anyway.

...Maybe Thursday!

PEACE! And thank you all for your words, your thought, your rants!

-T

If true, that O'Reilly called David a "bottom feeding sewer dweller", why all the caviling? O'Reilly states a simple, honest, well known fact, and you go nuts. I thought you want people to speak the truth. O'Reilly does, and you
become distraught. What's up with that?

Did Bush REALLY single-handedly anoint Bolton to the UN?

UnFUCKINGbelievable!

Hello all,

If you haven't yet figured it out, Bill o'reilly is a degenerate, loser, sack-of-shit, grossly overpaid, pendejo, idiot.

He is such a pussy that he never replies to my emails. Of course he is such a fucking big shot, he must feel immune from that sort of responsibility.

Are you surprised?

Well, I'm not.

Hey Soko

Fuck you pendejo idiot.

See you in hell punkass

welcome bloppy.

BO would not know the truth if it was a dead fish smacked up side his head.

He is just one more infotainer with GOP talking points and a loofa fetish. (so hard to get clean all of the Iraqi blood on his hands he needs to be scrubbed)

Just like most of the rest of the neocon-men he is also a sexual pervert and bigoted misogynist jerk.

Other than that, I would not relieve myself on him if his constant lies caused him to burst into flames. I would of course offer him a gasoline suit if they made them.

BO is as slimy as any other perverted GOPher slug.

I have no clue how David can keep a straight face when these Reich-wingnut spew their lies and so much false hyperbole. The Reich-wingnuts make me vomit.

Maybe we can all chip in and get BO a hooker to satisfy his sick predilections, of course we would have to include a loofa to stuff in his pie-hole while the hooker spanks him screaming "SHUT UP."

capt

Soko means "bottom" in Japanese. Heehee.

bloppy,

That is exactly what I mean.

Distraught!!

We don't even know if O'Reilly actually made the undeniably factual statement, and off you go. In all honesty, he could have added liar, cheat, scum bag, shit for brains, and fucken moron, and still been factual. You should be happy he was
kind and refrained from detailing Corn's complete list of credits.

I don't see why you are having such a problem with the TRUTH about David Corn.

Oh Soko, soko...such a mofo.

You are a punkass sophomore somewhere. The lucky benefactor of your parents largess. And, you are clueless.

A punkass will always be a punkass.

Yours,

Bloppy

Capt,

If we are going to send O'Reilly a sex toy, maybe we can pry Corn's lips off one of his 10 year old rape victims and send David to be O'Reilly's bitch. O'Reilly is a little old for David, but from what I read on the web, as far as David is
concerned, any cock will do.

I find it a true challenge to contain my self from going off on a rant to match that of the sadly misguided prevaricators of the pro-violence faction of this country; I also must include all those who believe that violence will trump violence. I wonder how so many can be so blind to the insanity that is running rampant across the planet. What I know to be True, in the depth of my heart, is that all of this does have a purpose way beyond what any of us knows. The realm of the Spiritual is where our answers lie; not religion, which appears to be at the core of all of this conflict. What Bush and his minions represent is the Race Consciousness of fear that has operated throughout recorded history. But, fear is an illusion that cannot prevail against Love, and Love is the only Reality of which we are all the offspring. Whether any on this site can believe or accept this, it is What Is. So, rather than getting caught in the spinning of opinions wrapped in fear, I offer this respite from fear and anger, and offer the Peace that passes all understanding.
Blessings to all who read this. May Peace Prevail on Earth, forever.
Namaste,
St. John, RScP

Well it don't surprise me that the little O' would call anyone a piece of slime.

This coming from a Sexual Harasser sued for Sexual Harassment. Remember how he swore the charges were false and he would fight it court and prove he did nothing wrong. Yeah, sure!!!!!!

In fact he settled and of course it carried that well known no admission of guilt on his part statement.

The O's just another lying piece of shit the Repugs use to spread their lies. One day he will really get his come uppance. I do indeed hope that its sooner rather than later.

Hey Tim, (timmy, to your lovely family members)

What a bonehead. Get back to the french fry machine you dork!

Bloppy,

Mr. Corn,

You are not beneath O' Reilly, you are above him. Your rational points obliterated his irrational points. Your journalistic standards are far above his. Don't feel bad you got smeared by such a person. It does you credit. O' Reilly has a big ego, to make up for his small penis. He let's fear and the possibility of harm guide his actions. He "thinks" with his lizard brain, not his neo-cortex. His journalism is sloppy; it is fearmongering to gain control over an ignorant and irrational population. Unfortunately, it has been mighty effective on the weak-minded and gullible.

It is very easy to get folks to do what you want by magnifying their worst fears, play on them to make them seem more likely. When people are scared, though, they make poor decisions - as we have seen. We may try to reason with people that are devout O' Reilly fans, but we must conclude that if they watch someone like him in the first place, they are beyond reason anyway. The best we can do is ignore Bill and anyone retarded enough to believe what he has to say, and hopefully they'll go away.

Tree,

Grayling, or Frederic?

The Bolton Embarrassment

Posted 08/01/2005 @ 6:29pm

Needless to say, John Bolton has never expressed any sentiment regarding international affairs or the United Nations so well or wisely as Stevenson. Bolton is a hack politician, a career retainer of the Bush family who is famous for nothing so much as his disrespect for the diplomacy and international cooperation in general, and for the United Nations in particular.

So creepy has been Bolton's partisanship -- he was a prime player in moves to shut down the recount of Florida votes following the disputed 2000 presidential election -- and so crude has been his behavior that thoughtful Republicans such as Ohio Senator George Voinovich determined that the nominee would not be an appropriate representative of the United States. But President Bush has forced Bolton on the U.S. and the UN, making a recess appointment that places his controversial nominee in the same position once occupied by Lodge, Stevenson and Moynihan.

Bolton will serve differently than his predecessors. For one thing, he is neither the intellectual nor the emotional equal of those who came before him. For another, he will be seen as a representative only of the Bush White House -- not of the United States or its people.

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A good piece. The truth is Bolton is only a representative of this WH not the people but who in power is a representative of the people.

Politicians are self-serving jerks (nearly all) and only pay lip service to ""the people"" and ""reform."" This has been true throughout history and is no different now.

Bolton does represent Bunnypants, of course he is a major jerk just like the feckless , misleader. It would not have been right to send a qualified diplomat not to mention no qualified diplomat would take the job. World domination is a hard sell.

capt

No# 8 Saladin,

It has been said, though I don't remember where, that there are videos showing detainee's being sodomized by interagators and that is why the White House is fighting desperatly to not release the rest of the pictures or videos. The court has orderd the White House\Dod\Pentagon [not sure which department] to turn them over and they have refused.

They do not want Americans too see what OUR Government is doing in the name of the American People. These photo's and videos show the true acts of the GWB Administration and how vile and disgusting they are.

I hope someone, somewhere has other tapes showing what's being witheld by GWB and his Gestapo and releases them on the Internet. That is the only way Americans can truly see how OUR COUNTRY is being destroyed by these Fascist Republican Theocratic Mullahs

Tree,

Grayling, or Frederic?

NO #29 Soko,

Neither.

Mr. O'Reilly,
You are not beneath Corn, you are above him. Your rational points obliterated his irrational points. Your journalistic standards are far above his. Don't feel bad you got smeared by such a person. It does you credit. Corn has a big ego, to make up for his small penis. He let's fear and the possibility of harm guide his actions. He "thinks" with his lizard brain, not his neo-cortex. His journalism is sloppy; it is fearmongering to gain control over an ignorant and irrational population. Unfortunately, it has been mighty effective on the weak-minded and gullible. It is very easy to get folks to do what you want by magnifying their worst fears, play on them to make them seem more likely. When people are scared, though, they make poor decisions - as we have seen. We may try to reason with people that are devout Corn fans, but we must conclude that if they watch someone like him in the first place, they are beyond reason anyway. The best we can do is ignore David and anyone retarded enough to believe what he has to say, and hopefully they'll go away.

A better fit now.
thanks goob

What I have noticed over the past few days since I began visiting this site is that fewer and fewer of the irrational are posting to this site. Whether they are reading it, we cannot know. The fact that there is more agreement than disagreement shows a growing consensus of compassionate thought to replace the fear-based attacks on character and what appear to be factual statements. That does not excuse the sometimes vile and reactionary responses to those who have based their lives and perceptions in a world of fear. The mind is an incredibly powerful tool if used that way. We are not the effect of our minds, but rather the creative force which directs the mind to perform our bidding. The degree to which we are conscious of our innate power is the degree to which we exercise dominion in our lives. The greatest among us are those who stand in the face of their fear and doubt, and act on their highest conviction of Good as their guiding principle. Beyond our humannesss, our flaws and mistakes, we are incredible beings, capable of untold powers. Take a few minutes today to recognize who you are and how you came to be. You are the creator of your life, and you can make a new creation in this very moment.
Peace Be,
St. John RScP

Tree,

So what you are saying, just like with the flushing of the Koran story where 18 died, because the enemy got so riled up, you DO NOT CARE, if or how many of our troops would be killed, by unnecessarily antagonizing the enemy.

That is just great. Kill our troops so you can see some pictures. Yeah, that'll work.

You're either sick or stupid

Oil hits record as Saudi king dies

Aug 1, 5:00 PM (ET)

By Timothy Gardner

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Oil prices shot to a record above $62 a barrel on Monday as the death of Saudi Arabia's King Fahd, U.S. refinery outages and tensions over Iran's nuclear ambitions rattled the market.

U.S. light, sweet crude rose $1.73 to a record $62.30 a barrel before settling up $1, or 1.7 percent, at $61.57 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The previous record, hit July 7, was $62.10. When adjusted for inflation, oil briefly traded near $90 a barrel in the early 1980s. In London, Brent crude rose $1.07 to $60.44 on the International Petroleum Exchange.

Oil has climbed about 40 percent this year, with the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries struggling to meet demand by producing at 25-year highs.

""Refining problems contribute to the prices as well, but the big story is people are looking at King Fahd's death,"" said Rick Mueller, a crude expert at Energy Security Analysis Inc. in Massachusetts.

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Rest in peace King Fahd.

capt

Hey Tom, Who paid you to ""speak out""? Are you as big a disingenuous moron as you appear.? Go back to whatever you do in your regular life.

There are countless lower animals with more smarts than you have.

Best regards, you jerkstick

Tom AKA Goob,

You are a really stupid fraud. Get a job.

My best,

Bloppy

Bloppy,

Did you make it past 3rd grade? Did you learn sentence structure from a kindergartner?

You are sharp!

Hey Tom,

Sentence structure? You must be kidding. It's content you idiot.

Hey Tom, You might try finding your pal O'Reilly at a Fox website. I think you may have mis -directed your initial post.
Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

regards,

Bloppy

GunForAll,

[Tree,]

[So what you are saying, just like with the flushing of the Koran story where 18 died, because the enemy got so riled up, you DO NOT CARE, if or how many of our troops would be killed, by unnecessarily antagonizing the enemy.]

[That is just great. Kill our troops so you can see some pictures. Yeah, that'll work.]

[You're either sick or stupid]

If that's what you believe there is nothing I could possibly say to change your mind.

No I do not want too see anymore americans killed for a war based on lies of this administration. Just like all the lives lost for lies of another administration in Vietnam. 21 of my neighborhoods families lost their sons in Vietnam. Only 3 returned and of those 2 commited suicide. All because of a pack of lies.

This Administration is leading us down the path too Nuclear War and if that happens say goodbye to most of your family, depending what part of the country you live in.

Torture does not provide truthfull information. If someone was to arrest you and accuse you of being a traitor to your country, then tortured you to admit your guilt, would you continue to deny it til they tortured you to death or would you confess? I doubt that you would allow them to kill you by torturing you to death.

But then again I may be wrong. You might just happen to be one of those very strong people who can take a lot of torture wihtout cracking. I hope that day never comes when you will find out just how strong you are.

And yes I believe that all AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS DOING IN THE NAME OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!!!!

If you believe that this is a just WAR then please feel free to enlist and ask for active duty on the front lines in Bagdad.

Bloppy,

Name calling and disjointed verbose is now considered intellectual content?

Take out your primer and try again.

Tree,

You talked a lot about our president, the war and torture.

You assumed a lot about where and what I have lived through.

You avoided talking about:
How many of our troops would be killed, by unnecessarily antagonizing the enemy.

I'm not sure it's such a bad thing to be called names by Mr O. And I think most people who watch or listen to his show[s] know that besides never echoing the FOX News mantra of being 'fair and balanced' he has no problem proving each day that he is just nothing more than a right wing voice rather than an 'independent' one. And, yes, tonight he had on Dick Morris again slamming the Democrats. It's beyond predictable.

BTW when will FOX News give David Corn a full time nightly show?

Cheers and thanks to Saladin.

Best regards,

Bloppy

Bolton is a "marked man" at the UN Let Madsen explain...

July 31, 2005/August 1, 2005 -- The reception John Bolton will face at the UN. The swaggering dolt in the White House believes that his recess appointment (announced by the White House on Aug. 1) of the boorish John Bolton as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, his mustachioed gunslinger and sworn liar will go to the East River in Manhattan and shake up the international organization and kick and whip them into kow-towing to the neocon line. What Bolton doesn't realize is that he will be be now working and living in a virtual fish bowl. Bolton will not only be under the scrutiny of intelligence agents that at least three-quarters of the 191 members of the UN place within their missions and the UN Secretariat and specialized agencies, but also the UN staff itself, an aggressive UN press corps, and an intensely anti-Bush population of New York City and its suburbs. So, if Mr. Bolton decides to engage in the type of group sex activities he once "enjoyed" at New York's Plato's Retreat in the 1970s and 80s and the physical and mental abuse he dished out to USAID contractor Melody Townsel in Moscow and Bishkek in 1994, he will face the kind of scrutiny he's never before experienced. The Russians clearly have the goods on Bolton from his past antics in New York, Moscow, Bishkek and they will be doubly sure to have him under heavy surveillance at the UN. Ditto the Chinese, the Arabs, Cubans, Venezuelans, Brazilians, French, South and North Koreans, Germans, South Africans, Iranians, Indians, Turks, Spanish, Canadians, and others. One screw up by Bolton, one temper tantrum, one sexual indiscretion, one episode involving espionage with the intelligence service of a so-called U.S. "ally" in the Middle East, and it will be surely leaked to the UN press corps and New York's scandal-hungry media. And then Bush and Rice will have to decide if they want a discredited clown like Bolton continuing to represent the United States -- and if they do -- the American people may decide otherwise and that will hammer yet another nail in the coffin of the Bush dynasty, the Republican Party, and the neocon movement.

Tsk-Tsk. Mr. Corn. Dime con qui??n andas y te dir?? qui??n eres. If you lie down with dawgs don't go bitchin' when you wake up with fleas (as in the fleabrains that flood this blog when NRO and FauxNews get their panties in a bunch).

Simon Jenkins writes about these "useful idiots:"
(Last week in the UK) The police claimed the right to follow a suspect across town and kill him in cold blood. Rather than instantly admit a terrible mistake, it demanded and got the instant, cringeing and unqualified support of all "right-thinking people". What would such people say if the police their machine guns to mow down an entire group of dark-skinned people "thinking they might be engaged in terrorism" Terrorism is turning Britain into a banana republic. It is centuries since we cheered a public lynching. If terrorists want evidence of how easy it is to reduce Britain to a crude police state, they need only study the Stockwell shooting.

The truth is that those who want to subvert freedom can always rely on "useful idiots," a phrase Lenin is said to have used of liberal apologists for extremists (but never did). Modern terrorism neatly inverts this attribution. It relies on "useful idiots" of the right to exploit any terrorist incident to foment xenophobia, suspend civil liberties and seek revenge from any ethnic group vaguely linked to the incident.

Terrorism's "useful idiots" have had a field day this past fortnight. They have jumped from "nothing can justify the bombing" (true) to "nothing can explain the bombing" (absurd). They have jumped from "Britain's war in Iraq is no excuse for killing innocent Londoners" (true) to "Britain's war in Iraq has nothing to do with the bombing" (palpably absurd).

And speaking of absurd. Two frequent complaints of Joe Wilson are that his wife landed him his trip to Niger and that he claimed that the Niger documents were forged 8 months before he laid eyes on them.

Larry Johnson and Media Matters bury the nepotism charge. And how stoopid is it for this administration to worry about nepotism when they had:
* Janet Rehnquist as inspector general at the Health and Human Services Department
* Michael Powell, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission
* Eugene Scalia as acting solicitor at the Labor Department
Hey IOKIYAR, right?

The second charge is even more hilarious. How dare Mr. Wilson claim that the Niger documents were forgeries? what? Oh yeah, they were forgeries. How dare Mr. Wilson be correct about this when the Cheney administration was so freekin' wrong about it? Morons.

And speaking of morons, Michael Hayden is the stupidest man at the DNI:
In congressional testimony on Thursday, the Nation's number two intelligence chief, General Michael V. Hayden, provided so many fanciful explanations for the failures of the US intelligence community before and during the period he was director of the National Security Agency that one has to wonder about the quality of the new office of the Director of National Intelligence.

More reasons that Mr. Hastert will have to fire Fitzgerald. And why would Mr. Rove need immunity from prosecution? Only criminals need immunity from prosecution. And Junior promised to get rid of the lawbreakers in his administration (not counting Iran-contra crooks Abrams and Poindexter, they don't count because Altar Boy Roberts sez so.)

Parental notification warning -- the following link contains samples of homoerotic art, not recommended for those with a weak constitution.
Who knew thatCondi could be one of PDiddy's Bad Boys of comedy? She sez: We should all look to a future when every government respects the will of its citizens 魸 because the ideal of democracy is universal. For 60 years, my country, the United States, pursued stability at the expense of democracy in this region here in the Middle East 魸 and we achieved neither. Now, we are taking a different course. We are supporting the democratic aspirations of all people.

Condoleezza Rice
Remarks at the American University in Cairo
June 22, 2005

And Mr. Johnson gets email. Someone complained that calling Novak a "douchebag" was unfair to douchebags because they actually serve a widespread useful purpose. He prefers the term "colostomy bag".

Poor Captain Kangaroo. He throws a stapler or two and gets booed when he shows his face at the U.N. Nobody likes the poor bastard.

Why does Santorum lie all the damned time? Nobody believes him. Why does he bother?

This one's good. I'll give a couple samples below.
ANALYSIS The White House: The tactics, and politics, of deflecting media attention
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Johnson says he was surprised that Republicans did not attack him for his testimony on Capitol Hill and his radio address. "Normally, they hit back hard," he says. ""When you're confronted with actual hard facts as opposed to spin, there's not a lot you can do to defeat that.""
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Corallo contends Miller was on the hot seat at the Times over her reporting on Iraq and that her battle with Fitzgerald was a perfect mechanism to restore her reputation.

"The dirty little secret in [DC] was she was about to be fired," Corallo says. "She should be sending Pat Fitzgerald a dozen roses and a thank-you note right now because he just made her untouchable. She's unfirable. He basically just saved her career."

David, stand your ground. Nothing like a good sliming to tell you you are on the right track.

Keep up the good work.

Did my heart good to see Bolton booed as he entered the UN. How spontaneious and apt. The times "they are a change en".

I'll be in DC the end of Sept. Ill be as loud and as visable as I can possibly be. Look for a small redheaded woman with a great big sign.

This will not stand.

k? This is My country, Im not giving up without a fight. Ever. Till I die. And then my kids will fight. And with any luck at all Ill be able to haunt the SOB's. I will sure as hell try.

Slime is good. Slime says they hear you. Its a start.

Go youuuuu, Sam!

And thanks for some more good ones Pande.

You avoided talking about:
How many of our troops would be killed, by unnecessarily antagonizing the enemy.

You mean like BRING IT ON?

I'd be glad to hand your punk ass to you; any topic, any time, pinhead.

Congrats David!!!!

Now you get a discount on fallafel and loofas everywhere in the US.

I've been trying to get on BO's sh!t list for years. Any help you can provide would be great.

See my government conspiracy comedy:
http://www.Undergroundfilm.org/films/detail.tcl?wid=1015653

The Voice of the White House

US Intel: Iran Far From Nuclear Bomb

US will either nuke bomb Iran or the American jackals (CIA) will set off some terrorist action to keep the idiot brain in office forever.

CORNY................

'sewer slime'....hey corny: that is
faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar too high
an
accolade
for you...

hey, corny-corny-corny....gee whiz get
back
to your
Valerie plame...scoops!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahaha

tim

Pentagon to Icrease Domestic Surveillance

What else is new?

Gerald, it seems that nuclear war is inevitable. Anyone supporting such a thing must believe we will get away with it without consequence, but the truth is, attacking Iran will make the neo-con's intentions clear, then China and Russia will step in. They are not weak or afraid, they have guns just as big as ours. Do people like gunsforall believe we should all start pulling the trigger? It is statements like his/hers that make all right leaning moderates and gun supporters look like fools and NRA psychos.

Operation Withdrawal Scam

I never for a moment felt that America would leave Iraq, especially when four permanent bases are there.

London Bombings Mastermind is MI6 Asset

FOX News | July 30, 2005

On FOX News Channel's Day Side, Terrorism Expert John Loftus revealed that Haroon Rashid Aswat, the suspect wanted by British Police for "masterminding" the July 7th London bombings and July 21st attempted bombings is in fact an asset of MI6, the British Secret Service. According to Loftus, Aswat has been under the protection of MI6 for many years.
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I wonder who else they are protecting. And why would FOX news admit this?

Note to tree's reference to my #8. I hope you realize I was being facetious!

Dating Cheney's Nuclear Drumbeat

The IMPREGNATOR impregnated his very attractive but spiteful wife twice to get out of the military serice. Cheney is another chickenshit hawk.

Conservatives & the Warfare State

Iraq is a CONSERVATIVE WAR. I admired Ron Paul and John Duncan's words but I part from them in the fact that the Iraq war is a CONSERVATIVE WAR.

Another Sad Day

One shy of 1,800 killed American soldiers for the bush lies!!!

ANTI-WAR IS PRO-TROOPS.

BUSH IS PRO-WAR AND ANTI-TROOPS.

People who favor this wrong and immoral war hate not only American soldiers but also human beings.

America fights wars in the Middle East to spread Islamic Law and not to spread democracy and freedom.

Iraq Coalition Casualties lists 1799 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq; Casualties in Iraq reveals that 1797 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq; and Gold Star Families for Peace mentions 1,797 American soldiers killed in Iraq for the Bush∆? evil lies, for American rigged elections, for Bush∆? moronic and callous foreign and domestic policies, and for the sale of American companies to foreign countries.

Go to www.gsfp.org and scroll down on the right and listen to Joe McDonald∆? song, SUPPORT THE TROOPS.

American soldiers are being killed in Afghanistan TO KEEP THE OPIUM TRADE ALIVE so that the CIA and the Pentagon can have drugs flowing TO PAY FOR AMERICAN TERRORISM in the United States and throughout the world.

The U.S. Constitution is destroyed to favor the rich, business interests, and private developers; the average American does not have a chance; and THE DEMISE OF AMERICA IS COMPLETED.

AMERICA∆8 RIGGED ELECTIONS HAVE DESTROYED HER HEART AND SOUL AS A PEOPLE AND AS A NATION.

MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON OUR SOULS!

#59 Saladin, bullies are basically cowards. We know that bush and cheney are cowards. A bully can only bully for so long and than the shit hits the fan. We cannot believe that China and Russia will sit idle. I fear that America has two demented and deranged people in the top offices in the USA. Both are nutcases. They are very depraved beasts.

I bet that they "admitted" that fact to try and set the stage for an explanation of why the terrorist attacks of 7/7 somehow took place at the EXACT SAME TIME AND LOCATIONS AS MI5/6 WERE RUNNING THE EXACT SAME TERROR DRILL SCENARIO - that fact is a major hole in their story - JUST LIKE 911 - except no one seems to care about those convenient coincidences -
here's another hole in their terrorist attack story: The Bomb Was Planted UNDER THE TRAIN according to the closest EYEWITNESS.
but you can bet that will be conveniently overlooked JUST LIKE 911 -

4 yrs. ago I was hoping and praying that I (and most of the world) was WRONG.

I wished that the UN inspectors were full of shit, that OUR intel knew more.

After all, our Prez has a lot more info than I do, he must be able to make better choices...

Geez, all these left-wing nut jobs are delusional...

Chagrin and dismay...

The left wing NUTS were right, my govt lied to me!

What more do you need?

Go back and check (all the info, not just the stuff that supports you previous opinion). The overwhelming evidence supports the conclusion that, at best, the admin was criminally incompetent, at worst, these Fuckers should be in jail.

You apologists are pathetic.

YOU are part of the problem.

FU TROLLS

Freedom - The Cold, Hard Facts
Nancy Levant

At this point in time, I strongly suggest that American people prepare for the worst. All indicators lead to renegade politicians who are overthrowing the American government and its Constitution. No one can deny this fact. Equally, a Martial Law system is totally, completely in place thanks to three or more decades of powers amassed through presidential Executive Orders and many, many Acts.

Consider the following:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders in to effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the President declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

Add to these Executive Orders the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, which would give state governors and public health officials the power to:

Force individuals suspected of harboring an "infectious disease" to undergo medical examinations. Track and share an individual's personal health information, including genetic information. Force persons to be vaccinated, treated, or quarantined for infectious diseases. Mandate that all health care providers report all cases of persons who harbor any illness or health condition that may be caused by an epidemic or an infectious agent and might pose a "substantial risk" to a "significant number of people or cause a long-term disability." (Note: Neither "substantial risk" nor "significant number" are defined in the draft.) Force pharmacists to report any unusual or any increased prescription rates that may be caused by epidemic diseases. Preempt existing state laws, rules and regulations, including those relating to privacy, medical licensure, and--this is key--property rights. Control public and private property during a public health emergency, including pharmaceutical manufacturing plants, nursing homes, other health care facilities, and communications devices. Mobilize all or any part of the "organized militia into service to the state to help enforce the state's orders." Ration firearms, explosives, food, fuel and alcoholic beverages, among other commodities. Impose fines and penalties to enforce their orders.
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There is so much more, Let us consider the powers of the Patriot Act II:

BTW,

I am absolutely tired of hearing the whines of victimization from the party that has controlled the Federal govt. for most of my life.

100% of the judiciary

75% of the presidency

50% of the legislature

and EVERY state/local govt. that I have ever lived under.

Really, really weak...

I never pay any attention to O'Lielly of any kind. But reading transcripts of his verbal diarrhea above it is striking how similar they are to the mindless bushbot trolls who occasionally show up here.

The dead head of the expansive Saudi royal herd described is noted in the McMedia a "loyal friend" to the United States - With "friends" like that, who needs enemies. I recommend to you an in-depth article in the Atlantic Monthly from last year of so on this group and what succession may mean.

Cheers.

Saladin, it seems that they already have all the laws in place, but hope is out there, the ineptness of this system they think will control americans is flawed. First what project have the neo cons embarked upon that has been successful? None, right, and even if they pass this new Patriot ACt II they still have to have the drones to implement it and I have a basic trust in the humanity of the majority of americans. I might be wrong so I am hedging my bets by other means, but overall effeciency is what will carry the day, and effeciency is not built into the system. Plus the funding for all of this, where exactly is that going to come from? If they think that they american polyglot is going to be docile and accept this treatment they are wrong. Our police and fire departments are underfunded and the HSA is underfunded. They cannot even implement the searches that are necessary at seaports and border points. SO sure it looks bad, but incompetence is our salvation, these nimrods couldn't organize a bbq much less a totalitarian state that actually functions. Nope it will be like their war plans, go ahead commit and then find out that they have missed a calculation somewhere and all of a sudden they have streets with IEDs and snipers firing on them from different directions. Funny if they do try and pull this off, the Iraqi insurgents and the american citizen will have something in common ,fighting against an invader that wants to dominate our society. Hmm, interesting turn don't you think?

WTF, I wish I had confidence in their ineptness. It seems evident that the planning for the future police state has been in the works for decades. They have had many years to dumb down the people, distract them with every material desire under the sun, drown people in debt, make them sick by poisoning the food, make them numb to violence, brainwash them with partisan bickering and now raise the fear and panic factor to red alert. I don't believe it is the greedy and traitorous politicians that are implementing the plans, they are just there for show.

Good Morning world,

My the nasties came out last night, but really there is nothing so vile as an uncalled for war.

Someone should start some hearings into war profiteering, then we could expose the likes of KBR, Carlyle, et al.

The conflict has already gone nuclear, with DU being a major part of so called conventional weaponry - check out the cases of birth defects in the children of returning vets from Gulf wars I & II.

Yep, and Sal, it seems that you are right the pols are just there for show. So what evil is behind this machination? Aliens have landed and taken over the most powerful nation on earth. Perhaps especially if they didn't have overwhelming physical force but were orders of magnitude higher intelligence than we were and proceeded to implement a long term program to dominate from within> SOunds like a movie theme doesn't it? Well, truth might be stranger than fiction and I am open for any explanation that can be supported with some kind of evidence.

Saladin-

Could you point out the part of EO 10990 that ""allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.""

Executive Order 10990

RE-ESTABLISHING THE FEDERAL SAFETY COUNCIL

WHEREAS section 33 (c) of the Federal Employees' Compensation Act, as amended (5 U.S.C. 784), declared it to be the purpose of the Congress to reduce the number of accidents and injuries among Government officers and employees, encourage safe practices, eliminate work hazards and health risks, and reduce compensable injuries; and

WHEREAS section 35 of that Act, as amended (5 U.S.C. 785), further disclosed the interest of the Congress in the promotion of safety in Federal agencies and establishments; and

WHEREAS the Federal Employees' Compensation Act, as amended and as modified by Reorganization Plan No. 19 of 1950 (hereinafter referred to as the Act), directs the heads of Government departments and agencies to develop, support, and foster organized safety promotion, and to keep such records of injuries and accidents to persons covered by the Act, and to make such statistical and other reports upon such forms as the Secretary of Labor may prescribe; and

WHEREAS the preponderance of accidents involving employees in the Federal service occur in field operations, the heads of executive departments and agencies, and through them, their supervisory staffs, including regional and field staffs, must exert leadership in the establishment of a sound accident prevention program at both the national and regional level; and

WHEREAS representatives of Federal employees should share a similar concern for the establishment of such programs; and

WHEREAS the President is authorized by the Act to establish by Executive order a safety council composed of representatives of Government departments and agencies to serve as an advisory body to the Secretary of Labor in furtherance of the safety program carried out by the Secretary pursuant to section 33 of the Act and to undertake such other measures as he deems proper to prevent injuries and accidents to persons covered by the Act:

NOW, THEREFORE, by virtue of the authority vested in me by section 33(c) of the Act and as President of the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows:

SECTION 1. Establishment of Council. There is hereby established in the Department of Labor the Federal Safety Council, hereinafter referred to as the Council. The Council shall be composed of a Chairman, to be designated by the Secretary of Labor, and one qualified representative of each of the several executive departments and agencies and of the municipal government of the District of Columbia (hereinafter referred to as members). The heads of the departments and agencies and the Board of Commissioners of the District of Columbia shall designate the members representing them, respectively, and may also designate suitable alternate members. The Secretary of Labor may, as he deems appropriate, appoint representatives of national or international unions, having Federal employees as members, to serve as consultants to the various committees establilshed by the Council. The Chairman, members, alternate members, and consultants shall serve, as such, without compensation from the United States.

SEC. 2. Purpose and functions of Council. The Council shall serve in an advisory capacity to the Secretary of Labor in matters relating to the safety of civilian employees of the Federal government and the municipal government of the District of Columbia and the furtherance of the safety program carried out by the Secretary pursuant to section 33 of the Act. It shall advise the Secretary of Labor with respect to the development and maintenance of adequate and effective safety organizations and programs in the several departments and agencies of the Federal government and the municipal government of the District of Columbia and with respect to criteria, standards, and procedures designed to eliminate work hazards and health risks and to prevent mjuries and accidents in Federal employment.

SEC. 3. Council affiliates, committees, and officers. The Council shall include as an integral part of its organizational structure and operations such affiliates, hereafter established by the Council or now existing, in such manner and to such extent as it deems necessary properly and efficiently to perform its functions. The Council shall establish such committees, and may choose such officers (other than its chairman), as it finds necessary for carrying out its functions.

SEC. 4. Regulations. The Secretary of Labor shall prescribe appropriate regulations governing the activities and functions of the Council.

SEC. 5. Administrative and budgetary arrangementse. The Secretary of Labor shall make available necessary office space and furnish the Council necessary equipment, supplies, and staff services.

SEC. 6. Continuity. The Federal Safety Council established by this order shall be deemed to constitute a continuation of the Federal Safety Council heretofore existing under the provisions of Executive Order No. 10194 of December 19, 1950.

SEC. 7. Revocation. Executive Order No. 10194 of December 19, 1950, is hereby superseded.

JOHN F. KENNEDY

THE WHITE HOUSE,
February 2, 1962.

Interestingly O'Rielly cries with righteous when Molly Ivans calls him a name but has no problem doing it to David Corn who hasn't said a peep about Billy?

The Rs have control of almost all branches of Govt. (a few states excepted).

WHO is to blame for the LIES?

My experience has been peace and prosperity v. war and stagnation.

Guess who this conservative votes AGAINST?

WTF, I realize you didn't ask me...but since this is an OPEN blog I'd like to respond to yur comment:

""First what project have the neo cons embarked upon that has been successful? None...""
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Well, you are right: ""None"" is the correct answer. Their ""policies"" are total disasters! However, one project where they are making astounding, on-going headway is their project for one-party rule. They are headed towards ""total success"" in that area.

Oreilly constantly says how he never engages in personal attacks yet here you go oreilly personally attacking david corn.

mr corn if you see oreilly again ask him how those phone sex calls and sex toys are doing.

oreilly is a predator and i find it unbelievable that this guy claims to have a moral authority and in the shadows he sexually harrassing woman using sex toys using phone sex, etc while at the sametime writing children's books.

Don't take it personally. O'Reilly is a buffoon. Everyone knows that.

Try looking HERE

" By virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, including authority vested in me by Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1958 (72 Stat. 1799), it is hereby ordered as follows:

SECTION 1. Scope. The Secretary of Commerce (hereinafter referred to as the Secretary) shall prepare national emergency plans and develop preparedness programs covering:

(a) Development and coordination of over-all policies, plans, and procedures for the provision of a centralized control of all modes of transportation in an emergency for the movement of passenger and freight traffic of all types, and the determination of the proper apportionment and allocation of the total civil transportation capacity, or any portion thereof, to meet over-all essential civil and military needs.

(b) Federal emergency operational responsibilities with respect to: highways, roads, streets, bridges, tunnels, and appurtenances; highway traffic regulation; allocation of air carrier aircraft for essential military and civilian operations; ships in coastal and intercoastal use and ocean shipping, ports and port facilities; and the Saint Lawrence Seaway; except those elements of each normally operated or controlled by the Department of Defense."

Well, fact checker, I see your point, but there is a lot of space between embarking on this project and succesfully completing it. They are in the midst of it where things can and do go awry. So let's sit back and watch since we don't have any input to this fiasco, it is interesting to see their shenanigans. Yup, interesting times.

That's classic. Maybe one of the best I have heard. I would love to link to this. I have been reading this site for a month or so and this is the first time I have commented. Corn, keep up your work, we all need you. When you get some time, check out my site. I know you are busy, so just whenever.

ha ha - NWO map of the new ""ownership society""

HA!

7 Marines killed toll tops 1800

BRING THE TROOPS HOME!!! WE LOST THE WAR BRING THE TROOPS HOME!!!

Straw: US/UK Troops in Iraq Part of Problem

BRING THE TROOPS HOME!!!

Individualism vs War

Bring the troops home!!!

Armageddon Gets No Press

Since armageddon is near, let us bring the troops home so they can be with their loved ones for the end time and rapture. Let them be together for the last time.

David,

Keep up the good work and in order for people to hear you, you MUST SCREAM just like the other right-wingers do

#53 dano
Any topic, any time

Try not to filibuster these 2 simple questions.

Yes or no answers will do.

Your opinion of why the war was started, who's fault the war is, what others have done in the past, whether you like, trust, or dislike anyone is off point and unimportant to these questions.

Try your best to stay on point of the actual questions.
As I said, simple yes or no answers will do.

QUESTION # 1:

If setting a book on a toilet so enraged the terrorists as to cause 18 deaths, do you think showing the pictures in question would similarly enrage the terrorists, causing similar results?

If your answer is NO:
Further response is NOT required or wanted.

If your answer is YES,

QUESTION # 2:

Should we say, to hell with the troops, and show the pictures anyway?

If your answer is NO:
I say congratulations to you for helping our troops

If your answer is YES:
I say, I hope you are one of those on the receiving end of those who were unnecessarily antagonized by the pictures in question.

War is a narcotic.

War is a narcotic. War gives certain people a high. Bush is a drug addict who says he has recovered but the Iraq war is an addictive narcotic that gives bush his daily high. He says that he has recovered but you never recover from an addictive personality. The longer a war lasts the more power goes to the government.

We start hating through language and from language we start to want to kill people. War gives the addictive personality meaning. Bush cannot exist without war. The state begins to define our being. The state must control us in order for us to kill. We cannot look at another person as part of humanity. Friends do not want war. You must, in war, want to kill and a person cannot be a friend to a person whom he is out to kill. People become intoxicated in war toward killing. You lose yourself and your identity as a human person in war.

If you oppose war, you court physical violence to yourself by the nationalists who desire and grave killing and war. You need moral courage to oppose war in America, a land that is overrun by nationalists who want killing and war.

Human beings do not want to kill other human beings. bush and cheney are not human beings because they want to kill human beings. bush and cheney turned away from people who had empathy for us after 9/11. We had an opportunity to build friendships but we became racists.

The republican party possesses extremists who are doing great damage to our relations in the world. Once you become violent , you hang onto remain violent because you cannot behave any other way. Violence comes back to haunt a country. Our violence to other countries will come to haunt us. We do not have the right to control other people.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT BUSH AND CHENEY ARE PLANNING A TERRORIST ATTACK INSIDE THE USA THROUGH A COVERT OPERATION WITH THE JACKALS (CIA) SO THEY CAN REMAIN IN CONTROL AND IN POWER FOREVER.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. ~John F. Kennedy (1917 - 1963), In a speech at the White House, 1962

Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest of violence. ~Francis Jeffrey (1773 - 1850)

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. ~Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992), Salvor Hardin in ""Foundation""

War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent. ~George Orwell, 1984

Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. ~George Orwell (1903 - 1950), 1984 Book 3, Chapter 3

You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war. ~Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955), (attributed)

War is not nice. ~Barbara Bush (1925 - )

Gerald there is a saying that waging a war for peace is like screwing for virginity. This club in the white house is an addiction for sure, power is the drug, not war, war is the method of delivery. I agree that they are addicted to power and will do anything to remain in power, but isn't that what all despots have done over history. That is what gives us the great stories of the fall of Rome, and the dissolution of other civilizations of history, so while we might want to stop the slide into the pit, I don't think that is in the cards, there is nothing that we can do to influence these maniacs they are entrenched like ticks in our government. Watching the show is one option and they should bring the beer and chips. that would at least provide some snacks for the rest of this show. I don't see a good outcome to any of this either but hey, we all are in this boat together whether we like it or not.

GUNFORALL-- how can we promote freedom eleswhere if we allow our leaders to shelter our own public from the harsh realities of fighting a ""global struggle against violent extremism?""

Doesn't torturing people to death, sending them to Uzbekistan and other torture prone countries seem to promote and be part of the culture of ""violent extremism?""

And do you really believe that the truth can be hidden for long? It's not like the violent extremists don't hear on a regular basis about the torturing and killing that we engage in.

IF your brother who was not a terrorist were blown away by a cluster bomb, would you accept the foreign bomber's rationale for having done so if they claimed it was in ""your best interest and protection?""

just a few questions for you to ponder.

Polish PM: Postwar Iraq Plan a Failure

What else is new? Plus, over 1,800 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq for a lying jerk.

J-dub 96

Can you read?

Try not to filibuster. Yes or no answers will do.
Your OPINION of why the war was started, who's fault the war is, what others have done in the past, whether you like, trust, or dislike anyone is off point and unimportant.

_____________________________________

Was that rant a YES or NO ????

Hey, Guns For Brains,

Question number one is based on a false premise and that's not opinion. It is a statement of fact by the State Department.
State Department Web Site

You need to get your news from more than just Fox. Your pathetic attempt with question number 2 to label the left as unpatriotic is laughable especially given the lie in question one.

I hope you all paid tribute to the dead king on this day of days, his funeral.

I paid tribute, an extra ten cents per gallon to fill up my trucks.

LA 99

Can YOU read?

Try not to filibuster. Yes or no answers will do.
Your OPINION of why the war was started, who's fault the war is, what others have done in the past, whether you like, trust, or dislike anyone is off point and unimportant.

The facts I stated are absolutely correct.
_____________________________________

Was YOUR rant a YES or NO ????

Taliban Becoming More Ruthless in Afghanistan, Says US Genreal

Here is another failed war. Why does America want a drug addict for emperor and a god? I have read that the president is the mirror image of America. Yes, we are a nation of misfits and screwballs.

Gumsforballs,

I just LOVE the ""yes or no answers will do""...

The unmitigated gall of questioning the censorship of images, especially because they might or might not be inflamatory or detrimental in some way is the basis of all ""Freedom of Speech and Expression"".

It isn't the IMAGES of the torture, dumbass, it is the ACTIONS of the torture that (rightfully) enrage the masses. Do you think supression of the TRUTH does anything to deter continuation and repetition of such heinous behavior? Such only serves to let the purveyors of physical and emotional torture believe that they can continue, with the support of their superiors and the tacit support of the American People.

Are you Plucking Polyps, right now?

A ""YES of NO answer"" will be unnecessary...I can tell by the brown stain in the tone of your words whence they come.

-T

So, just like the Bush Admin. You refuse to answer questions, but expect others to answer questions for you? (which you didn't ask me, you asked another member here to answer those for you, I know it's hard for you, but try and stay on subject and remember who you asked to answer what)

That hardly seems fair. Or balanced.

As for answering your questions, since you appear to want everyone of us to answer them, even though you were asking a particular member, Dano, to do so, here I go.

Who in the hell said putting a Koran on a toilet inspired the deaths of 18 American soldiers? My nephew, who is fighting in Iraq right now so that you can stay home in the comfort of your home knows that it is MUCH, MUCH more than simply one act like setting a Koran on a toilet that has inspired the hatred and animosity. Yet, it is his duty to fight so he does, he doesn't hide behind BS questioning, he shoots straight and knows BS when he sees it. Are you so naive as to think the violent acts perpetrated against our soldiers are done because of something so simple as that?

Are you really that dense?

So, excuse those of us rational minded people who understand the big picture for not buying into your ridiculous line of questioning based on false assumptions, or ask better questions.

Now, please be polite enough to do the right thing and reciprocate by answering my questions for you, that would be the American thing to do, right?

Yeah, the pictures are just proof of the actions taken in those prisons, but the inference and even with no pictures torture was done. So would that piss you off if any of your family was taken by the force and then tortured because he was a ""suspected insurgent"" that phrase is just too damn nebulous. Hell we could all be called suspected anything. It is like imprisoning people because they might break a law. Anyone know the difference between common law and roman law?

It is the IMAGES of the death and decimation of camps in Germany and Poland that lodge in our minds when we think of the evil of the Third Reich and the tacit support of it by the German and other people.

It is the IMAGES of the death and ultimate destruction wrought by the Americans' first and last (so far)use of thermonuclear weapons. Those images are what come to mind when we decry the horror of NUKES. It is such images that keep the voices of sane people of the world aloud against the deployment and use of such.

It is the IMAGES of burning children in the streets of Vietnam that, until Fallujah, kept the deployment and use of Napalm, by any name, restricted.

It is the IMAGES of legless, armless and disfigured children that drive the international efforts to ban land mines and clusterbomb deployment.

It will be the IMAGES of the sick and depraved treatment of prisoners, both insurgents and incidentals, that keeps the pressure on our government and military to stop encouraging and covering up such digusting, immoral and illegal acts by our soldiers, contractors and intelligence agents in the future.

It SHOULD piss people off. It pisses ME off!

-T

Another Sad Day

BUSH IS PRO-WAR AND ANTI-TROOPS.

Iraq Coalition Casualties lists 1,806 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq; Casualties in Iraq reveals that 1,806 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq; and Gold Star Families for Peace mentions 1,806 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq for the Bush∆? evil lies, for American rigged elections, for Bush∆? moronic and callous foreign and domestic policies, for the spread of Islamic Law, and for the sale of American companies to foreign countries.

Go to www.gsfp.org and scroll down on the right and listen to Joe McDonald∆? song, SUPPORT THE TROOPS.

American soldiers are being killed in Afghanistan TO KEEP THE OPIUM TRADE ALIVE so that the CIA and the Pentagon can have drugs flowing TO PAY FOR AMERICAN TERRORISM in the United States so that bush and cheney can remain in control and in power forever.

AMERICA∆8 RIGGED ELECTIONS HAVE DESTROYED THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND HAVE GIVEN A DEATH BLOW TO DEMOCRACY.

HAJI You are right, the images are what lodges in the mind, but the images of this clusterfuck in Iraq is not the reason they are blowing up themselve and our troops, it is because the crime family of bush has illegaly invaded a soverign nation. Period, war crimes, period. But the crooks are in charge and we are not going to be able to bring them to justice until we get some ass kickers in office that see the correct way to run a country. And here is a surprise it isn't like a business it is like a government that is for the people not the corporations that have bought and usurped this one. Revolution might be the only answer. It would be hard on the real estate values though.

WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT AN IRAQI CIVIL WAR BUT HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO AN AMERICAN CIVIL WAR? IF THE MILITARY DRAFT EXCLUDES THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF THE RICH AND FAMOUS, LIKE BARBARA AND JENNA, THERE WILL BE AN AMERICAN CIVIL WAR.

Gerald...shhhh...I've got a headache!
-T

THE SHIT WILL FLY!!!

If you are afraid to answer the questions of POST # 91, because you KNOW your answer will PROVE you hate
President Bush more than you care about what happens to our troops, just IGNORE THE POST. Your evasive prate
accomplishes nothing.

In reading many previous posts on this site, I didn't see this much rage directed at the terrorists who actually decapitate
and mutilate the bodies of their prisoners. It is disgusting you go crazy when an extremely small minority of coalition
troops engaged in dishonorable behavior. They have already been investigated and charged.

Your blinding undeserved hatred of our great President makes you care not what may happen to our troops, as long as you can still blindly and ignorantly hate President Bush.

You are demented, detestable traitors.

Bill O'Reilly - ick.
Now down to business. Daily Kuz had an article on Fitgerad going after Rove. Somebody did a posting on the future of Fitzgerald after October. I want to know what will happen if Fitzgerald gets pushed out by the powers that be. Also I was on Raw Story. There was an article on ROVE AIDE CALLED TO TESTIFY TOOK HIS MESSAGES. The secretary takes the messages and asks Grover Norquist if it's ok for Rove to talk to him. Say what? Who is this Norquist guy and why does he have so much power?

Hey guns for balls, Fuck off and die! There is that high browed enough for you and if you want to answer pick a number. Damn jerk!!

Bush is Not an American

By DOUG THOMPSON
Jul 26, 2005, 07:15

Some of the die-hard, rabid right-wingers who still support George W. Bush∆s immoral and illegal actions tried recently to overload my email system by flooding it with bitches and moans over recent columns about their poster boy for destruction of the Constitution.

Their grand plan didn∆t work. My anti-spam filter caught most of them because it quite properly considers GOP-generated mail spam (as it does for Democratic-generated mail).

The handful of messages that got through cried about the language I use to describe their President.

""Your crude, obscene language destroys your credibility,"" one said. ""Why not just shut up and go away?""

Gotta wonder who writes these missives for Bushites since most of the right-wing morons who clutter up bulletin boards like FreeRepublic can∆t string together a simple declarative sentence. Probably computer-generated.

They∆re not the only ones who get upset at my language when it comes to describing the pukefest called the Bush administration. Hell, my mother complains and she∆s no fan of Bush.

Too damn bad. I really don∆t give a flying fuck who gets bent out of shape. That∆s their problem. With Bush and his gang of goons at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue so hell-bent at destroying the Constitution and America, I don∆t have time to be polite. Bush is a heartless bastard who doesn∆t play by the rules so why should those of us who still love this country too much to see it destroyed by this madman?

This is no longer an issue of differing political opinions or philosophies. This is war, a fight for survival of a once-great nation called America and war calls for street rules.

In other words: No rules.

Bush, i